From Johncliviger at aol.com  Sat Apr  1 04:21:28 2006
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 05:21:28 EST
Subject: [AccessD] Trigger a macro
Message-ID: <2d3.62212fd.315fae28@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 31/03/2006 17:39:16 GMT Daylight Time,  
cfoust at infostatsystems.com writes:

Charlotte


Hi Charlotte
I'm changing the Required property in TableDefs and the vb code to do that  
works fine in the backend but not in the frontend.
 
It could be that changing the Required property is not the best way forcing  
data entry to a control. I have some records that require a comment while  
others do not. If you see what I mean. So I was trying to switch the Required  
property on and off as needed.
 
john cliviger


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Apr  1 05:29:01 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:29:01 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
References: <008601c646f0$17fed5b0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805><001301c6472c$d5602960$6501a8c0@Nant><001001c64751$d4b89ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><007101c6478b$4c9e8040$6501a8c0@Nant><001201c647a3$3283af10$6501a8c0@Nant><001101c64810$f9ad0420$6501a8c0@Nant><004601c64932$45f25660$6501a8c0@Nant><000801c649ea$ef906370$6501a8c0@Nant><000a01c64c27$65ddfb80$6501a8c0@Nant><000e01c64d24$70070ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><000c01c64db9$f195e960$6501a8c0@Nant><003a01c64dbd$65180af0$6501a8c0@Nant><001401c64e3b$2c6f81a0$6501a8c0@Nant><005101c64e84$119b5540$6501a8c0@Nant><002d01c64f30$d70c2640$6501a8c0@Nant><442401EF.2040704@san.rr.com><007101c64f5a$55061230$6501a8c0@Nant><442426E0.6040808@san.rr.com>
	<000c01c64f9a$f37448c0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <001e01c6557f$7be635d0$6501a8c0@Nant>

Hi All,

I was inactive with the subject test during this week - the reasons were
that I have been waiting for MS Access 12 results and that I have quite some
work here to do for the customers.

Here are very good results - MS Access 12 - SUCCESS STORY:

======================================================
ADODB Bound Forms Crash Test v.1.9.6 [23-MAR-06]

Test successfully finished.

Backend:       MS Access
Binding:       ADODB
Cycles to pass: 10000
Cycles passed: 10000
Total errors: 0
Forms opened:  50000
Start time:    30.03.2006 19:08:26
End time:      31.03.2006 19:18:39

Object statistics:
ClassName = CTestForm, Created = 6, Disposed = 6
ClassName = CFormDataset, Created = 358296, Disposed = 358296
========================================================

It worked for 24 hours as you can see - can we from now on call MS Access 12
24x7x365 ready development platform?

I think, it would be useful to somehow pass this test to MS Access
development team for them to deliver the same quality MS Access 12 release
when it will be ready - I mean we can help them to not loose the current
quality of this coming software product while they are polishing it from
Beta to Release Candidate version. Any ideas how to do that?

I will definitely continue working on this test in the coming weeks (a lot
of plans there) but I need to "cool down" a little because I need to work
for customers to earn money for my family living...

I will publish (with your permission) on the test's Web site and all the
names who helped and who are helping to make this test a reality.

Thank you everybody for all your help!
Thank you in advance for all your future help!

Have nice weekend,
Shamil

P.S. If anybody has Access 12 and can run it over weekend with the last
published version of the test - you're very welcome to do that!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets


> Hi All,
>
> New version (1.9.8) is published -
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/download/tests/a2dds.htm.
>
> It should give more detailed results about errors if they appear.
>
> Make your PCs busy over weekend! :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
>
>
>> Well, let us know when the new version is ready.  And I'll run both the
>> mdb and the adp.  I have a lot of idle cycles on the weekend. :-)
>> (Computer has some, too)
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
> <<< tail skipped >>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  1 05:32:06 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:32:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
Message-ID: <s42e80ec.047@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

That sounds promising. Thanks for the info.
However, I have not Access 12 running.
Anyone knows how to obtain this beta? 

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 01-04-2006 13:29:01 >>>

Here are very good results - MS Access 12 - SUCCESS STORY:




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  1 07:17:42 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:17:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <s42e9c8e.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Thanks! 
But your boss ..?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:32:04 >>>
Actually, no, I didn't.  My boss did.  And yes, I meant the system
date/time format.  The snippet I posted is called from all over and the
user might enter anything including a long date.  Like a lot of
applications, this one has grown organically over time and I have only
been allowed to maintain and extend it, not rewrite. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

But all the clumsy code with Replace? Tell me you didn't write it.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  1 07:32:41 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:32:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <s42e9d25.051@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

As soon as you have a Date value you cannot fail; all you have to is do to apply the formatting and, using the principle in my StrDateSQL, no local setting will influence that. It's foolproof.

However, to get to the Date value is another task and requires careful handling. As you correctly point out, users can type anything.
For this purpose I would recommend the suggestion by Stuart, DateValue, as it understands date expression strings formatted as to the local settings.
Unfortunately, it understands more than that which can lead to unpredictable results. How to avoid this, read on here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2004-December/029764.html 

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:37:58 >>>
Oh, and we also have to deal with converting data between systems that
use different date formats and delimiters.  Start playing with languages
that use a dot as a date delimiter or a space. ;o> 




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Apr  1 08:53:02 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:53:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
References: <008601c646f0$17fed5b0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805><001301c6472c$d5602960$6501a8c0@Nant><001001c64751$d4b89ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><007101c6478b$4c9e8040$6501a8c0@Nant><001201c647a3$3283af10$6501a8c0@Nant><001101c64810$f9ad0420$6501a8c0@Nant><004601c64932$45f25660$6501a8c0@Nant><000801c649ea$ef906370$6501a8c0@Nant><000a01c64c27$65ddfb80$6501a8c0@Nant><000e01c64d24$70070ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><000c01c64db9$f195e960$6501a8c0@Nant><003a01c64dbd$65180af0$6501a8c0@Nant><001401c64e3b$2c6f81a0$6501a8c0@Nant><005101c64e84$119b5540$6501a8c0@Nant><002d01c64f30$d70c2640$6501a8c0@Nant><442401EF.2040704@san.rr.com><007101c64f5a$55061230$6501a8c0@Nant><442426E0.6040808@san.rr.com><000c01c64f9a$f37448c0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001e01c6557f$7be635d0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE278206B@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Shamil
 
If you want I can ask them. If you write up a short note on what it is you ahve done and achieved I will pass it on.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 


P.S. If anybody has Access 12 and can run it over weekend with the last
published version of the test - you're very welcome to do that!



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  1 15:16:04 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:16:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
References: <008601c646f0$17fed5b0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<001301c6472c$d5602960$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001001c64751$d4b89ef0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<007101c6478b$4c9e8040$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001201c647a3$3283af10$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001101c64810$f9ad0420$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<004601c64932$45f25660$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<000801c649ea$ef906370$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<000a01c64c27$65ddfb80$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<000e01c64d24$70070ef0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<000c01c64db9$f195e960$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<003a01c64dbd$65180af0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001401c64e3b$2c6f81a0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<005101c64e84$119b5540$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<002d01c64f30$d70c2640$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<442401EF.2040704@san.rr.com> <007101c64f5a$55061230$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<442426E0.6040808@san.rr.com> <000c01c64f9a$f37448c0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001e01c6557f$7be635d0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE278206B@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <442EED94.6090202@shaw.ca>

Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by 
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember 
seeing anything posted here
on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but
don't realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on 
top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those
Active Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because
Gasp! it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up
to the one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch
them squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and
later. It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All
throughout it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many
many VB apps were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET
Blue began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a
query technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and
Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and
many many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many
years, but became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware
applications not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that
committed transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet
database technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction
logs to ensure recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best
effort crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be
embedded in a server application, does not share files, has write ahead
logging for guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET
Blue does not ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications
to write their own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/extensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sat Apr  1 15:36:55 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:36:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
In-Reply-To: <442EED94.6090202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <004b01c655d4$67365700$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Fascinating. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 4:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access

Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember
seeing anything posted here on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but don't
realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those Active
Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because Gasp!
it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up to the
one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch them
squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and later.
It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All throughout
it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many many VB apps
were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET Blue
began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a query
technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and many
many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many years, but
became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware applications
not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that committed
transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet database
technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction logs to ensure
recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best effort
crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be embedded in a
server application, does not share files, has write ahead logging for
guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET Blue does not
ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications to write their
own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx


--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Apr  1 15:50:56 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:50:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
In-Reply-To: <8568420.1143926683888.JavaMail.root@sniper20>
Message-ID: <000001c655d6$5bf9d5e0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Marty,

The version of Jet used by Access since A2K has optional record-level
locking.  This was a significant improvement for me.

Thanks for this discussion - I had never heard before of two versions of
Jet.  But it does sound as though the two versions are very different and
may not deserve to be argued as if they were similar.

IMO, the primary problem with Access is simply that untrained inexperienced
people try to take Access beyond what they're capable of (and they don't
even know they're not!)  A person at one of my customers uses only macros,
and he tells other people that I don't know what I'm doing even though the
system they have includes over 60K lines of code.  Luckily his boss (my
invoice approver) knows the difference!

Dan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access

Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by 
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember 
seeing anything posted here
on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but
don't realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on 
top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those
Active Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because
Gasp! it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up
to the one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch
them squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and
later. It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All
throughout it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many
many VB apps were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET
Blue began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a
query technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and
Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and
many many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many
years, but became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware
applications not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that
committed transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet
database technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction
logs to ensure recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best
effort crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be
embedded in a server application, does not share files, has write ahead
logging for guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET
Blue does not ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications
to write their own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Apr  1 16:50:37 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 02:50:37 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
References: <008601c646f0$17fed5b0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805><001301c6472c$d5602960$6501a8c0@Nant><001001c64751$d4b89ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><007101c6478b$4c9e8040$6501a8c0@Nant><001201c647a3$3283af10$6501a8c0@Nant><001101c64810$f9ad0420$6501a8c0@Nant><004601c64932$45f25660$6501a8c0@Nant><000801c649ea$ef906370$6501a8c0@Nant><000a01c64c27$65ddfb80$6501a8c0@Nant><000e01c64d24$70070ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><000c01c64db9$f195e960$6501a8c0@Nant><003a01c64dbd$65180af0$6501a8c0@Nant><001401c64e3b$2c6f81a0$6501a8c0@Nant><005101c64e84$119b5540$6501a8c0@Nant><002d01c64f30$d70c2640$6501a8c0@Nant><442401EF.2040704@san.rr.com><007101c64f5a$55061230$6501a8c0@Nant><442426E0.6040808@san.rr.com><000c01c64f9a$f37448c0$6501a8c0@Nant><001e01c6557f$7be635d0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE278206B@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002c01c655de$ba6d3e20$6501a8c0@Nant>

Thank you, Martin,

I will try to prepare a short note when the code updating, deleting and 
inserting will work OK in different scenarious hopefully within coming 
month....

If you talk to them from time to time you can say them there are RSS/ATOM 
feeds on this test site - 
http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/download/tests/a2dds.htm  - when my note ready I 
can put in this feed special code word for them (:)) to download the 
version - it should be fully automatic by that time download/install/run I 
mean....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets


Shamil

If you want I can ask them. If you write up a short note on what it is you 
ahve done and achieved I will pass it on.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477



P.S. If anybody has Access 12 and can run it over weekend with the last
published version of the test - you're very welcome to do that!





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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  1 17:22:41 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:22:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
In-Reply-To: <442EED94.6090202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <E1FPpQh-0001Hx-00@pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Actually,  it was used even before ADS and exchange.  The SAMs database in
NT 4.0 is JET based as well.  MS has used JET Blue as a data store for a lot
os level stuff.

  But Dan's right; they are two totally different animals.  The only thing
they share in common is that they both started off from the original JET
API.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 4:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access

Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by 
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember 
seeing anything posted here
on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but
don't realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on 
top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those
Active Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because
Gasp! it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up
to the one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch
them squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and
later. It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All
throughout it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many
many VB apps were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET
Blue began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a
query technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and
Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and
many many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many
years, but became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware
applications not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that
committed transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet
database technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction
logs to ensure recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best
effort crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be
embedded in a server application, does not share files, has write ahead
logging for guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET
Blue does not ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications
to write their own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Apr  1 23:13:50 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:13:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Does anybody work on this level of abstraction with
	reallife apps data models?
In-Reply-To: <001001c652a9$3c9dc100$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <005501c65614$3a55e440$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>

I typically inhale the existing app into an Erwin model, but admittedly that
gives me insight into the database hierarchy. 
The current project upon which I am working comprises 8 databases located on
8 servers, and in terms of number of tables it all adds up to about 400.
There are numerous relationships, sprocs, udfs, scheduled jobs and so on,
and the total DB footprint is about a terabyte, first year, expected to
triple each year.
In this situation, Erwin is my saviour. Other similar tools would do, but
Erwin is their tool of choice so I am quickly becoming expert in its use.
"A picture is worth a thousand words" applies here, IMO. Maybe not for
everyone in the world, but certainly for me -- I can view a few pictures and
get a grasp of the existing situation much more quickly than I can by
reading table descriptions and trying to figure it out.
There are Erwin, PowerDesigner and DeZign to do this. Not to use one of
these is IMO nuts.
Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: March 28, 2006 3:50 PM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] Does anybody work on this level of abstraction with
reallife apps data models?

Hi All,

I wanted to ask you how do you usually try to quickly understand existing 
real life applications data models?

I mean the following:

- imagine you've got a task to program some utility code for an application 
with rather tricky datamodel, working application and the question to change

this tricky datamodel is out of your responsibility - you're not allowed 
even to discuss this question (I'm exaggerating about that latter - just 
wanted to outline that your task is to understand the existing datamodel 
whatever it's as quickly as possible, accept it and to deliver your solution

in time and as good as possible in the given context because the customer is

waiting for your working solution not your considerations about datamodel 
and how good it could have been if you have been allowed to change it....).

- there is a good description of this datamodel and its business area but to

program effectively you can use just a subset of this datamodel and its 
description, which you need to quickly filter out from all the existing 
(thick) stuff to make a simple submodel diagram of the tables used in your 
utilities and their relationships. And you do not want to spend time to 
understand all the rest of this datamodel because you're more interested to 
go watching the next series of Dexter and DeeDee or watch the 100th time 
your favorite action movie like I do sometimes watch "The White Sun of 
Desert" - a famous here Soviet action movie I first time watched in 1969 
:)...

The question is how to quickly understand such a data model and to get it 
well arranged to solve the urgent customer task? (You given the datamodel 
diagram but relationships are intersected in a tricky net)

Did you ever try to solve such a task first of all on an abstract level? I 
mean did you ever try to "play" with existing datamodel relationships 
diagram (graphical diagram I mean) without knowing(/without even taking into

account) the meanings(titles) of the tables and  their relationships? With 
the main purpose of this playing being to finally get a relationships 
structure(graphical diagram) clearly showing you what are the key points of 
this datamodel, what a the "juncture points", what are the "bands and 
whistles"?

I did try and I think it always work for tricky, sometimes not optimal but 
rather well normalized data model.

I think this is called "building star schema abstract method".
And it works in most of the cases.
Try it.

I did try to google for "start schema" concept definition and as far as I 
see it is usually linked with OLAP not OLTP data models as here 
(http://www.tdan.com/i021hy01.htm).
I did read first about star schema data models abstraction in a short 
article in one of programming magazines somewhere in the summer 1995 and 
since then I use this concept and it always work well am I building 
datamodels from scratch or am I trying to understand/arrange existing 
ones...

Just wanted to share how (sometimes boring task) of getting well 
understanding of an intersected net of an existing data model relationships 
can be converted in a joyful(?) game of shuffling these table's 
relationships to get at a clear view of the subject business area...

Shamil

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Apr  1 23:28:47 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:28:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access/autocad incompatibility
Message-ID: <442F610F.7050502@san.rr.com>

Does anyone know of any incompatibility problem running an A2K or A2K3 
mde on a machine with autocad which which give the "You are not 
licensed..." error message when starting the access app?

Co-developer having this problem at a beta test site - typical FE/BE - 3 
machines are OK - one fails with this message.  Autocad on the failing 
machine is the only apparent difference he notes.

MTIA,

Rocky

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  2 03:48:45 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:48:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
Message-ID: <s42fac33.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Thanks for pointing this out! Today I learned that JET means Joint Engine Technology ...

However, I would be careful stating that AD/Exchange and Access use the "same" engine as this "same" seems to assume a state prior to 1990:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/extensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

<quote>

The Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) was formerly known as JET Blue, and so frequently the term "JET Blue" or "JET" is used interchangeably with ESE. However, there are in fact two completely separate implementations of the Joint Engine Technology (JET) API, called JET Blue and JET Red. The term "JET" is frequently also used to refer to JET Red, which is the database engine under Microsoft Office Access. The two JET implementations are completely different, are separately maintained, have a vastly different feature set, and are not interchangeable. ..

</quote>

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 01-04-2006 23:16:04 >>>
Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by 
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember 
seeing anything posted here
on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but
don't realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on 
top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those
Active Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because
Gasp! it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up
to the one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch
them squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and
later. It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All
throughout it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many
many VB apps were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET
Blue began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a
query technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and
Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and
many many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many
years, but became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware
applications not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that
committed transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet
database technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction
logs to ensure recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best
effort crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be
embedded in a server application, does not share files, has write ahead
logging for guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET
Blue does not ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications
to write their own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/extensible_storage_engine_errors.asp 

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx 


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  2 03:56:20 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:56:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
Message-ID: <s42fadf9.061@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Well, you can argue that you don't know what you don't know ...
Maybe Mr. Clever is an expert in macro programming!

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 01-04-2006 23:50:56 >>>
Hi Marty,

The version of Jet used by Access since A2K has optional record-level
locking.  This was a significant improvement for me.

Thanks for this discussion - I had never heard before of two versions of
Jet.  But it does sound as though the two versions are very different and
may not deserve to be argued as if they were similar.

IMO, the primary problem with Access is simply that untrained inexperienced
people try to take Access beyond what they're capable of (and they don't
even know they're not!)  A person at one of my customers uses only macros,
and he tells other people that I don't know what I'm doing even though the
system they have includes over 60K lines of code.  Luckily his boss (my
invoice approver) knows the difference!

Dan



From joeget at vgernet.net  Sun Apr  2 05:19:29 2006
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 06:19:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
Message-ID: <003501c6563e$f0cebec0$e5c2f63f@JOHN>

Anyone
In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual.  I tried the security wizard but I could not seem to get it to work.  There is a delete and edit buttons on the form for each record displayed 
Thanks for the help
John  

From joeget at vgernet.net  Sun Apr  2 05:19:52 2006
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 06:19:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
Message-ID: <003c01c6563e$fe4d7cd0$e5c2f63f@JOHN>

Anyone
In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual.  I tried the security wizard but I could not seem to get it to work.  There is a delete and edit buttons on the form for each record displayed 
Thanks for the help
John  

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr  2 05:48:59 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:48:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
In-Reply-To: <003501c6563e$f0cebec0$e5c2f63f@JOHN>
Message-ID: <443038BB.10884.550DF3D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 2 Apr 2006 at 6:19, John Eget wrote:

> In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I
> would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to
> prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not
> belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then
> disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual. 


Here's how I would do it using the Windows login name:
Assuming that the field in the record is called "UserName"

1. Create a function in a module to read the Windows login name:
Option Compare Database   'Use database order for string comparisons
Option Explicit
Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal 
lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long
Function Username()
Dim strUname As String * 32
Dim lngResponse As Long
lngResponse = GetUserName(strUname, 32)
If Len(strUname) > 1 Then
    Username = Left$(strUname, InStr(strUname, Chr$(0)) - 1)
Else
    Username = "No logged In User"
End If
End Function

When the record is created, automatically fill the UserName field 
(a hidden bound text box on the form with a default value of "=Username()" 
will do it).


In the Form_Delete and Form_BeforeUpdate events include:

If Me.UserName <> Username() Then
   Msgbox "You can't alter someone else's records"
  Canel = True
  Exit Sub
End If

-- 
Stuart




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  2 05:52:41 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:52:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
Message-ID: <s42fc927.064@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Store (or retrieve) the login name somehow to variable strLoginName.
Then use the OnCurrent event:

  Dim booEdit As Boolean
  
  With Me
    booEdit = Not CBool(StrComp(!UserName.value, strloginName))
    .AllowDeletions = booEdit
    .AllowEdits = booEdit
  End With

/gustav

>>> joeget at vgernet.net 02-04-2006 12:19 >>>
Anyone
In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual.  I tried the security wizard but I could not seem to get it to work.  There is a delete and edit buttons on the form for each record displayed 
Thanks for the help
John  



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Apr  2 07:59:01 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:59:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
In-Reply-To: <s42fac33.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005201c65655$37c7aec0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The question in my mind is... Can you use ADO for example with JetBlue to
hold data that you then display in Access.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 4:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Defense of Access

Hi Marty

Thanks for pointing this out! Today I learned that JET means Joint Engine
Technology ...

However, I would be careful stating that AD/Exchange and Access use the
"same" engine as this "same" seems to assume a state prior to 1990:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

<quote>

The Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) was formerly known as JET Blue, and so
frequently the term "JET Blue" or "JET" is used interchangeably with ESE.
However, there are in fact two completely separate implementations of the
Joint Engine Technology (JET) API, called JET Blue and JET Red. The term
"JET" is frequently also used to refer to JET Red, which is the database
engine under Microsoft Office Access. The two JET implementations are
completely different, are separately maintained, have a vastly different
feature set, and are not interchangeable. ..

</quote>

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 01-04-2006 23:16:04 >>>
Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember
seeing anything posted here on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but don't
realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those Active
Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because Gasp!
it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up to the
one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch them
squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and later.
It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All throughout
it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many many VB apps
were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET Blue
began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a query
technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and many
many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many years, but
became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware applications
not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that committed
transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet database
technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction logs to ensure
recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best effort
crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be embedded in a
server application, does not share files, has write ahead logging for
guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET Blue does not
ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications to write their
own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp 

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx 


--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Apr  2 08:58:05 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:58:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
In-Reply-To: <443038BB.10884.550DF3D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <005601c6565d$7786ad60$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Thanks for this.  Another tool stored away in my framework.

:~) 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record security

On 2 Apr 2006 at 6:19, John Eget wrote:

> In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I
> would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying 
> to prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that 
> does not belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login 
> process and then disabling a record from being deleted or edited by
another individual.


Here's how I would do it using the Windows login name:
Assuming that the field in the record is called "UserName"

1. Create a function in a module to read the Windows login name:
Option Compare Database   'Use database order for string comparisons
Option Explicit
Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal
lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long Function Username() Dim strUname
As String * 32 Dim lngResponse As Long lngResponse = GetUserName(strUname,
32) If Len(strUname) > 1 Then
    Username = Left$(strUname, InStr(strUname, Chr$(0)) - 1) Else
    Username = "No logged In User"
End If
End Function

When the record is created, automatically fill the UserName field (a hidden
bound text box on the form with a default value of "=Username()" 
will do it).


In the Form_Delete and Form_BeforeUpdate events include:

If Me.UserName <> Username() Then
   Msgbox "You can't alter someone else's records"
  Canel = True
  Exit Sub
End If

-- 
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Apr  2 09:04:08 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:04:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
In-Reply-To: <003c01c6563e$fe4d7cd0$e5c2f63f@JOHN>
Message-ID: <005701c6565e$503c4700$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I built a full on user/groups table pair and class system to pull the info
when the database loads.  I have a login form that opens and which the user
has to successfully fill out before the FE will open, from which I capture
the UserID.

Having that I then have a function similar to 

	UserInGroup(UserID, GroupID)

I can then make "rules" in the FE that says specific groups (or users) can
edit / see / use specific things, whether that be forms, controls on forms,
properties of controls / forms etc.

So for example, I when it loads, I can have a form check whether a user is
allowed to view the data at all, or whether the group that the user belongs
to can edit the data etc.

Having a full blown system like this built into my framework makes all kinds
of checks dead simple.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Record security

Anyone
In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I
would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to
prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not
belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then
disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual.  I
tried the security wizard but I could not seem to get it to work.  There is
a delete and edit buttons on the form for each record displayed 
Thanks for the help
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr  2 21:02:37 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:02:37 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403134107.01b63460@dalyn.co.nz>

Cross posted AccessD SQL

SQL2000

I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views.  I have 
two different databases that have the same tables, views and stored 
procedures.  The only difference is that the data is for separate 
companies.  Both databases are on the same server.

I developed one set of queries and stored procedure in one of the 
databases.  The main part of the stored procedure is as follows:

SELECT dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccountNo,  dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustName, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccFreq, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CurrentMth, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.OneMonth,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.TwoMonths, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.ThreeMonths, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.NoOverdueNote,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.NetReceipts, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.GJCredit, dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.NetReceiptsInv,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.GJCreditInv, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.MGrpIDNo,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDRegistered, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDFrequency, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.PayArrange,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.ReceiptNotPost AS 
ReceiptsNotPosted, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.VIPCust,        dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccStatus
FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate 
ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo AND 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate LEFT OUTER 
JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.StatNum LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.InvNum
         LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.CustIDNo

In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine (in about 
30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and restore them 
into the second database, the same stored procedure runs for over 10 
minutes with about a fifth of the data.

Is there some optimizing that I need to do to get the second database 
to work as fast as the first one?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand 

From papparuff at comcast.net  Sun Apr  2 21:37:46 2006
From: papparuff at comcast.net (John Ruff)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:37:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403134107.01b63460@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>

Check your indexes in the tables that make up the views on the db that is
running slow and compare them with the same tables in the db that is running
fast. I'd venture to say you don't have one or more columns indexed in the
slow db that should be indexed.

Also, I would suggest using aliases in your stored procedures or any long
query. It makes reading them much easier. Such as this:

SELECT 
	a.CustomerID
	,a.StatementID
	,a.AccountNo
	,a.CustName
	,a.StatementDate
	,a.StatementNumber
	,a.AccFreq
	,a.CurrentMth
	,a.OneMonth
	,a.TwoMonths
	,a.ThreeMonths
	,a.NoOverdueNote
	,c.NetReceipts
	,c.GJCredit
	,d.NetReceiptsInv
	,d.GJCreditInv
	,a.MGrpIDNo
	,a.DDRegistered
	,a.DDFrequency
	,a.PayArrange
	,e.ReceiptNotPost AS ReceiptsNotPosted
	,a.VIPCust
	,a.AccStatus
FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet AS a
INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate AS b
	ON a.CustomerID = b.CustIDNo 
	AND a.StatementDate = b.StatementDate 
LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt AS c
	ON a.CustomerID = c.CustIDNo 
	AND a.StatementNumber = c.StatNum 
LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv AS d 
	ON a.CustomerID = d.CustIDNo 
	AND a.StatementNumber = d.InvNum
LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost AS e
	ON a.CustomerID = e.CustIDNo 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views

Cross posted AccessD SQL

SQL2000

I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views.  I have 
two different databases that have the same tables, views and stored 
procedures.  The only difference is that the data is for separate 
companies.  Both databases are on the same server.

I developed one set of queries and stored procedure in one of the 
databases.  The main part of the stored procedure is as follows:

SELECT dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccountNo,  dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustName, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccFreq, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CurrentMth, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.OneMonth,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.TwoMonths, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.ThreeMonths, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.NoOverdueNote,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.NetReceipts, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.GJCredit, dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.NetReceiptsInv,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.GJCreditInv,
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.MGrpIDNo,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDRegistered, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDFrequency, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.PayArrange,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.ReceiptNotPost AS 
ReceiptsNotPosted, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.VIPCust,        dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccStatus
FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate 
ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo AND 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate LEFT OUTER 
JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.CustIDNo
AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.StatNum LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv
ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.InvNum
         LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.CustIDNo

In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine (in about 
30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and restore them 
into the second database, the same stored procedure runs for over 10 
minutes with about a fifth of the data.

Is there some optimizing that I need to do to get the second database 
to work as fast as the first one?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr  2 21:49:11 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:49:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403144712.01abbb48@dalyn.co.nz>

Cross posted AccessD SQL

SQL2000

Another thing I have noticed - When I view task manager, the first 
programme fluctuates between 80-90% of the CPU usage, but when run on 
the second database (the one which takes so long to process) the CPU 
usage sits on 99%.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand  



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr  2 22:15:49 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:15:49 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>
References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403134107.01b63460@dalyn.co.nz>
	<002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403151517.01b54d00@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks John,  I checked all the indexes and they seem to be the same.

David

At 3/04/2006, John Ruff wrote:
>Check your indexes in the tables that make up the views on the db that is
>running slow and compare them with the same tables in the db that is running
>fast. I'd venture to say you don't have one or more columns indexed in the
>slow db that should be indexed.



From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Mon Apr  3 10:24:54 2006
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:24:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation ... Setting Default
	FormattingInE	xcel
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB38@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <008601c65732$c2b39c50$026fa8c0@stormy>

Thanks Jim for all of the help ... I didn't even need to modify my code that
much!

 Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
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fx. 314.432.3304


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation ... Setting Default FormattingInE
xcel

I use this code open the template:
strPathname="c:\template.xlt"
appExcel.Workbooks.Open strPathname, 0
The path I actually use is the path where Excel stores the templates by
default, something like C:\Documents and Settings\jhale\Application
Data\Microsoft\Templates\TrialBal_Excel_6mo.xlt

In the code segment below I copy the worksheet Dept1 as many times as called
for from a recordset:
 'routine to create and rename Worksheets
    recset(1).MoveFirst
    Dim y As Integer, z As Integer, x As Integer
    z = .Worksheets("Dept1").Index
   
      For y = z To intRst4cnt + z - 1
      strName = recset(1)("fldDPname")
        .Worksheets(y).Name = strName
        .Worksheets(y).Select
        .Range("A10").FormulaR1C1 = y - z + 1 'set index number of sheet
        
        .Range("A1").Select
         If Not recset(1).RecordCount = y - z + 1 Then
          .Worksheets(z).Copy After:=Worksheets(y)
         End If
        If Not recset(5).EOF Then recset(1).MoveNext
    Next y
I am sending you a sample database off list that shows how to paste data
into template. HTH Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Mrazek [mailto:lmrazek at lcm-res.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation ... Setting Default Formatting
InExcel


Thanks Jim:

I'm currently using the following code to create my workbook:
Set xlApp = New Excel.Application
    xlApp.Visible = True
    Set xlWb = xlApp.Workbooks.Add

To use a template, do I simply alter the last line so that it points to a
template?

    Set xlWb = xlApp.Workbooks.Add("c:\template.xlt")

Also, how do you make sure that each new worksheet inherits the template's
formatting? I'm using the following code to add the worksheet:

Set xlWs = xlWb.Worksheets.Add

Thanks in advance for all of your advice.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
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fx. 314.432.3304



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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Apr  3 06:44:15 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74032566E8@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

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Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  3 10:47:59 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:47:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <BAY114-F32F7CB3CBCF29D961A4995D2D50@phx.gbl>

Sorry,

I have been out of commission and the loop for a few months...When and where 
is the Conference?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0400
>
>I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
>instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
>probably hit whatever they have going in the fall.
>
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
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>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:46 PM
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>Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Apr  3 10:55:43 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:55:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]
Message-ID: <4431457F.1090400@san.rr.com>

Dear List:

Does anyone have any idea why my mde might be failing on one machine on 
a network but not the others?

MTIA

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Incompatibility?
Date: 	Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:06:28 +0530
From: 	R Ramamurthy <rram22 at dataone.in>
To: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
References: 	<037001c655ff$4f2cdf00$6401a8c0 at ramamurty> 
<442F5442.6010202 at san.rr.com>




 >>I never heard of an incompatibility with AutoCAD but I suppose it's 
possible.  Do any other access mdbs have this problem on this machine?
## The Access program itself opens in that computer but only PPM does 
not. There are no other *.mdb files to try out. And all other computers 
in the LAN do not have this problem.
 
## The failure message that appears (under the PPM blue strip in the 
warning window) reads as:
 
"The expression On Open you entered as the event property setting 
produced the following erors: Licence information for the component not 
found. You do not have an appropriate licence to use the functionality 
in the design environment.
* The expression may not result in the name of a macro, the name of a 
user-defined function, or [ Event procedure ]
* There may have been an error evaluating the function, event, or macro"
 
## Rocky, please note the words  
'On Open', both with capital O's
'design environment'
Do these provide a clue?
 
Does the PPM program generate such a warning?
 
Ram

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  3 10:58:51 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:58:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
Message-ID: <s4316269.083@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer or a glass of wine ...

/gustav



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  3 11:51:09 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:51:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Trigger a macro
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5930@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I think that is a very bad idea.  Either a field is required or not in
the table.  If it won't always be filled in, then it shouldn't be
required.  You can control entry with the BeforeUpdate event of a form
quite easily and it doesn't take any monkeying around with the back end.
That is the only practical way to handle values that are required under
some circumstances and not under others.

If the data entry is being done through a query or a table, STOP IT!
Forms are there for a reason:  they allow you to control things like
this and to keep the user from shooting themselves (and you) in the
foot! 


Charlotte Foust

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trigger a macro

 
In a message dated 31/03/2006 17:39:16 GMT Daylight Time,
cfoust at infostatsystems.com writes:

Charlotte


Hi Charlotte
I'm changing the Required property in TableDefs and the vb code to do
that works fine in the backend but not in the frontend.
 
It could be that changing the Required property is not the best way
forcing data entry to a control. I have some records that require a
comment while others do not. If you see what I mean. So I was trying to
switch the Required property on and off as needed.
 
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Apr  3 11:54:09 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:54:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403256736@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

www.advisor.com 


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Sorry,

I have been out of commission and the loop for a few months...When and
where is the Conference?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0400
>
>I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando 
>instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will 
>probably hit whatever they have going in the fall.
>
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
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>Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  3 11:52:46 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:52:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5931@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

He is one of the owners of the company and originally developed the
applications in Access 2.0. 


Charlotte

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 5:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

Thanks! 
But your boss ..?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:32:04 >>>
Actually, no, I didn't.  My boss did.  And yes, I meant the system
date/time format.  The snippet I posted is called from all over and the
user might enter anything including a long date.  Like a lot of
applications, this one has grown organically over time and I have only
been allowed to maintain and extend it, not rewrite. 


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

But all the clumsy code with Replace? Tell me you didn't write it.


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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Mon Apr  3 12:08:39 2006
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:08:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
In-Reply-To: <s4316269.083@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000001c65741$42645440$0500a8c0@masterserv>

I'm from Spain, so i live 980 km from barcelona :)
Hope to see next travel in Madrid or Oviedo ;)

Have a nice travel

Juan

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona


Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer
or a glass of wine ...

/gustav

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Mon Apr  3 12:52:03 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:52:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A47F5ED@aries.TexasSystems.local>


David,

> I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views ...  
> In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine 
> (in about 30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and 
> restore them into the second database, the same stored procedure 
> runs for over 10 minutes...

It is a little hard to give advice without more information: 

* Are the views simple views (SELECTs against a single table) or complex
(SELECTs against multiple tables)?
* Are the views indexed?
* Are you returning a subset of the records in your procedure, or
everything? (In other words, is there a WHERE clause you are not showing
us?)
* What is the distribution of the data? For instance, does
vwAgedDebtorGet return greatly more or less records than
vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate? 

Even without answers to these questions, there is a diagnostic method
that will almost certainly work: Test by Destruction. To do this: 

1. Make copies of your proc on both databases. 
2. On the copies, remove one view at a time from each proc. (start from
the bottom)
3. Recreate both procs, and test the response time. 
4. Repeat steps 2-3 until your slower proc performs as expected, or you
run out of views

The last view you removed, or the last one standing, is the one that is
introducing the slowdown. Investigate that view, because something about
it is different between the two databases, or the data it is querying is
different. If the view is complex, you can test it by destruction using
the process outlined above to find the table or join that is causing the
problem.

Test by Destruction is a generic, simple way of isolating problems in
complex queries. 

-Ken


From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr  3 13:56:21 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:56:21 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB40@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very worthwhile since
I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish I could go to Orlando
but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

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Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Apr  3 14:37:25 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:37:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
In-Reply-To: <s4316269.083@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV52D99F3E1E5E8567017F5D2D50@phx.gbl>

I'd love to share a beer with you, Gustav, but shall not get to Spain until
October, and then in the North*West*!
John


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Sent: 03 April 2006 16:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona


Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer
or a glass of wine ...

/gustav

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  3 15:35:51 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:35:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]
References: <4431457F.1090400@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <44318727.4040100@shaw.ca>

You might get this with ArcInfo as it uses Access as one of its data 
engines,
so you might get a bum DAO reference on an install, don't know about AutoCAD
AutoCAD might also might forece an install of an old common control.

This might help

Stick this code in an mde and run on the odd machine.
It will printout the possible reference differences (version number, 
path and name).
Or rewrite this inorder to dump to a text file like
'kill file as necessary
Open c:\temp\outputref.txt For Output As #1
     Print #1, ReferencePropertiesList
     Close #1
Run it from autoexec macro, code should be fully disambiguated to avoid 
any initial reference check
before running. ie VBA.MsgBox, Access.Reference and VBA.Len, VarPtr 
might not be available in lower versions of Access
might be a replacement on www.mvps.org/access


Place in 3 seperate modules.

'http://allenbrowne.com/ser-38.html
'http://www.accessmvp.com/djsteele/AccessReferenceErrors.html'

'I got tired of trying to decipher the full path name to a DLL in Tools:
'Reference Window. In Access 97 it cuts off the path filename at about 30
'chars. To get the a list of the all the filenames and paths for your
'external references, run the routine below it places all the references
'into a string suitable for dropping into a text box. As an afterthought I
'added some code to give the actual version number from the dll or ocx file
'etc. This might be useful in an MDE to track if the user has correct
'version number of DAO ADO etc. installed. Place in About popup window.
' It only seems to work some of the time if a reference is missing, seems
'to depend on installation order. So it might not help in all missing 
references.

Function ReferencePropertiesList() As String
'list all references in a MDB and place in a string
   Dim ref As Access.Reference
   Dim strList As String
    strList = "Reference Properties:" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
   For Each ref In Access.References
      ' Check for ActiveX type files
      'Check for Broken Properties
      If ref.IsBroken = False Then
        strList = strList & "  Name: " & ref.Name & vbCrLf
        strList = strList & " FullPath: " & ref.FullPath & vbCrLf
        strList = strList & " Version: " & ref.Major & "." & ref.Minor & _
                   vbCrLf

          'skip these two calls if detail not needed
         strList = strList & " Description: " & _
                  GetFileDescription(ref.FullPath) & vbCrLf
          strList = strList & " Version No: " & _
                  FileVersionNo(ref.FullPath) & _
                 vbCrLf & vbCrLf
         Else
        strList = strList & " GUIDs of broken references:" & vbCrLf
        strList = strList & " " & ref.Guid & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
       End If
 
   'VBA.MsgBox GetFileDescription(ref.FullPath) & " - " & 
FileVersionNo(ref.FullPath)
   Next ref
   Debug.Print strList
   ReferencePropertiesList = strList
End Function
------------------ module 2



 'usage: file description

'Private Sub Command1_Click()
'    MsgBox GetFileDescription("c:\windows\system\shell32.dll")
'End Sub

'Declarations:
Private Declare Function GetLocaleInfoA Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal lLCID As _
Long, ByVal lLCTYPE As Long, ByVal strLCData As String, ByVal lDataLen As _
Long) As Long

Private Declare Sub lstrcpyn Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal strDest As String, _
ByVal strSrc As Any, ByVal lBytes As Long)

Private Declare Function GetFileVersionInfoSize Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "GetFileVersionInfoSizeA" (ByVal sFile As String, lpLen As Long) 
As Long

Private Declare Function GetFileVersionInfo Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "GetFileVersionInfoA" (ByVal sFile As String, ByVal lpIgnored As _
Long, ByVal lpSize As Long, ByVal lpBuf As Long) As Long

Private Declare Function VerQueryValue Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "VerQueryValueA" (ByVal lpBuf As Long, ByVal szReceive As String, _
lpBufPtr As Long, lLen As Long) As Long

Private Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" _
 (pDest As Any, pSource As Any, ByVal ByteLen As Long)

Private Declare Function GetUserDefaultLCID Lib "kernel32.dll" () As Long

 'Functions:

Public Function StringFromBuffer(buffer As String) As String
    Dim nPos As Long

    nPos = VBA.InStr(buffer, vbNullChar)
    If nPos > 0 Then
        StringFromBuffer = VBA.Left$(buffer, nPos - 1)
    Else
        StringFromBuffer = buffer
    End If
End Function

Public Function GetFileDescription(ByVal sFile As String) As String
    Dim lVerSize As Long
    Dim lTemp As Long
    Dim lRet As Long
    Dim bInfo() As Byte
    Dim lpBuffer As Long
    Dim sDesc As String
    Dim sKEY As String

    lVerSize = GetFileVersionInfoSize(sFile, lTemp)
    ReDim bInfo(lVerSize)
    If lVerSize > 0 Then
    lRet = GetFileVersionInfo(sFile, lTemp, lVerSize, VBA.VarPtr(bInfo(0)))
        If lRet <> 0 Then
            sKEY = GetNLSKey(bInfo)
            lRet = VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(bInfo(0)), sKEY & 
"\FileDescription", lpBuffer, lVerSize)
            If lRet <> 0 Then
                sDesc = VBA.Space$(lVerSize)
                lstrcpyn sDesc, lpBuffer, lVerSize
                GetFileDescription = StringFromBuffer(sDesc)
            End If
        End If
    End If
End Function

Public Function GetNLSKey(byteVerData() As Byte) As String
    Static strLANGCP As String
    Dim lpBufPtr As Long
    Dim strNLSKey As String
    Dim fGotNLSKey As Integer
    Dim intOffset As Integer
    Dim lVerSize As Long
    Dim lTmp As Long
    Dim lBufLen As Long
    Dim lLCID As Long
    Dim strTmp As String

    On Error GoTo GNLSKCleanup
    If VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(byteVerData(0)), 
"\VarFileInfo\Translation", lpBufPtr, lVerSize) <> 0 Then
        If VBA.Len(strLANGCP) = 0 Then
            lLCID = GetUserDefaultLCID()
            If lLCID > 0 Then
                strTmp = VBA.Space$(8)
                GetLocaleInfoA lLCID, 11, strTmp, 8
                strLANGCP = StringFromBuffer(strTmp)
                Do While VBA.Len(strLANGCP) < 4
                    strLANGCP = "0" & strLANGCP
                Loop
                GetLocaleInfoA lLCID, 9, strTmp, 8
                strLANGCP = StringFromBuffer(strTmp) & strLANGCP
                Do While VBA.Len(strLANGCP) < 8
                    strLANGCP = "0" & strLANGCP
                Loop
            End If
        End If
        If VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(byteVerData(0)), strLANGCP, lTmp, 
lBufLen) <> 0 Then
            strNLSKey = strLANGCP
        Else
            For intOffset = 0 To lVerSize - 1 Step 4
                CopyMemory lTmp, ByVal lpBufPtr + intOffset, 4
                strTmp = VBA.Hex$(lTmp)
                Do While VBA.Len(strTmp) < 8
                    strTmp = "0" & strTmp
                Loop
                strNLSKey = "\StringFileInfo\" & Right$(strTmp, 4) & 
Left$(strTmp, 4)
                If VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(byteVerData(0)), strNLSKey, 
lTmp, lBufLen) <> 0 Then
                    fGotNLSKey = True
                    Exit For
                End If
            Next
            If Not fGotNLSKey Then
                strNLSKey = "\StringFileInfo\040904E4"
                If VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(byteVerData(0)), strNLSKey, 
lTmp, lBufLen) <> 0 Then
                    fGotNLSKey = True
                End If
            End If
        End If
    End If
GNLSKCleanup:
    If fGotNLSKey Then
        GetNLSKey = strNLSKey
    End If
End Function

------------------------ module 3


'Eg. Get Version Details of C:\Windows\System\Comctl32.ocx
'Sub Example()
'    Debug.Print FileVersionNo("C:\Windows\System\comctl32.ocx")
'End Sub
'http://www.vbusers.com/code/codeget.asp?ThreadID=58&PostID=1&NumReplies=1
'--------------GET VERSION INFO API-----------------------
Private Declare Sub CopyMem Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" _
(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)
Private Declare Function VerQueryValue Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "VerQueryValueA" (pBlock As Any, ByVal lpSubBlock As String, _
lplpBuffer As Any, puLen As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetFileVersionInfoSize Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "GetFileVersionInfoSizeA" (ByVal lptstrFilename As String, 
lpdwHandle _
As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetFileVersionInfo Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "GetFileVersionInfoA" (ByVal lptstrFilename As String, ByVal 
dwhandle _
As Long, ByVal dwlen As Long, lpData As Any) As Long

Private Type VS_FIXEDFILEINFO
   Signature As Long
   StrucVersionl As Integer     '  e.g. = &h0000 = 0
   StrucVersionh As Integer     '  e.g. = &h0042 = .42
   FileVersionMSl As Integer    '  e.g. = &h0003 = 3
   FileVersionMSh As Integer    '  e.g. = &h0075 = .75
   FileVersionLSl As Integer    '  e.g. = &h0000 = 0
   FileVersionLSh As Integer    '  e.g. = &h0031 = .31
   ProductVersionMSl As Integer '  e.g. = &h0003 = 3
   ProductVersionMSh As Integer '  e.g. = &h0010 = .1
   ProductVersionLSl As Integer '  e.g. = &h0000 = 0
   ProductVersionLSh As Integer '  e.g. = &h0031 = .31
   FileFlagsMask As Long        '  = &h3F for version "0.42"
   FileFlags As Long            '  e.g. VFF_DEBUG Or VFF_PRERELEASE
   FileOS As Long               '  e.g. VOS_DOS_WINDOWS16
   FileType As Long             '  e.g. VFT_DRIVER
   FileSubtype As Long          '  e.g. VFT2_DRV_KEYBOARD
   FileDateMS As Long           '  e.g. 0
   FileDateLS As Long           '  e.g. 0
End Type

'Purpose     :  To obtain the file version info of a DLL, OCX, EXE etc.
'Inputs      :  sFileName               The path and name of the file to 
return the version info
'Outputs     :  Returns the file version number of the specified file
'Author      :  Andrew Baker
'Date        :  09/10/2000 23:39
'Notes       :
'Revisions   :

Function FileVersionNo(sFileName As String) As String
   Dim lFileHwnd As Long, lRet As Long, lBufferLen As Long, lplpBuffer 
As Long, lpuLen As Long
   Dim abytBuffer() As Byte
   Dim tVerInfo As VS_FIXEDFILEINFO
   Dim sBlock As String
   Dim sStrucVer As String
   Dim lentVerInfo As Long
    'Get the size File version info structure
    lBufferLen = GetFileVersionInfoSize(sFileName, lFileHwnd)
    If lBufferLen = 0 Then
       Exit Function
    End If

    'Create byte array buffer, then copy memory into structure
    ReDim abytBuffer(lBufferLen)
    Call GetFileVersionInfo(sFileName, 0&, lBufferLen, abytBuffer(0))
    Call VerQueryValue(abytBuffer(0), "\", lplpBuffer, lpuLen)
    'lentVerInfo = VBA.Len(tVerInfo) 'doesn't compile Len(tVerInfo) does 
so force
    'with magic number
    lentVerInfo = 52
   
    Call CopyMem(tVerInfo, ByVal lplpBuffer, lentVerInfo)

    'Determine structure version number (For info only)
    sStrucVer = VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.StrucVersionh) & "." & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.StrucVersionl)

    'Concatenate file version number details into a result string
    FileVersionNo = VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionMSh) & "." & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionMSl, "00") & "."
    If tVerInfo.FileVersionLSh > 0 Then
        FileVersionNo = FileVersionNo & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionLSh, "0000") & "." & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionLSl, "00")
    Else
        FileVersionNo = FileVersionNo & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionLSl, "0000")
    End If
End Function








Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dear List:
>
>Does anyone have any idea why my mde might be failing on one machine on 
>a network but not the others?
>
>MTIA
>
>Rocky
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: 	Re: Incompatibility?
>Date: 	Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:06:28 +0530
>From: 	R Ramamurthy <rram22 at dataone.in>
>To: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>References: 	<037001c655ff$4f2cdf00$6401a8c0 at ramamurty> 
><442F5442.6010202 at san.rr.com>
>
>
>
>
> >>I never heard of an incompatibility with AutoCAD but I suppose it's 
>possible.  Do any other access mdbs have this problem on this machine?
>## The Access program itself opens in that computer but only PPM does 
>not. There are no other *.mdb files to try out. And all other computers 
>in the LAN do not have this problem.
> 
>## The failure message that appears (under the PPM blue strip in the 
>warning window) reads as:
> 
>"The expression On Open you entered as the event property setting 
>produced the following erors: Licence information for the component not 
>found. You do not have an appropriate licence to use the functionality 
>in the design environment.
>* The expression may not result in the name of a macro, the name of a 
>user-defined function, or [ Event procedure ]
>* There may have been an error evaluating the function, event, or macro"
> 
>## Rocky, please note the words  
>'On Open', both with capital O's
>'design environment'
>Do these provide a clue?
> 
>Does the PPM program generate such a warning?
> 
>Ram
>
>  
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr  3 15:57:28 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:57:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]
In-Reply-To: <4431457F.1090400@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <443218D8.26828.284AE54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Looks like it's not Access that's failing. It looks like a third part 
control that thinks it is being opened in design mode.

First thing to do is look at what 3rd party controls you are referencing.

> "The expression On Open you entered as the event property setting 
> produced the following erors: Licence information for the component not
> found. You do not have an appropriate licence to use the functionality in
> the design environment. * The expression may not result in the name of a
> macro, the name of a user-defined function, or [ Event procedure ] * There
> may have been an error evaluating the function, event, or macro"
> 
> ## Rocky, please note the words  
> 'On Open', both with capital O's
> 'design environment'
> Do these provide a clue?
> 
> Does the PPM program generate such a warning?
> 
> Ram
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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Tue Apr  4 00:12:37 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:12:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
Message-ID: <20060404051223.BEGX19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi all
Cross Posted to dbqSQL list
I am outputting reports to Excel from reporting services (SQL)
The reports have many tables on them with differing column widths
When I output the reports to Excel I find many columns with no data in them
 
Is there a way I can write some VBA and have it determine the last row on the
sheet with a value in it
determine if there is any data in any cell from the top to the bottom - if there
is no data in the column
delete it. Then 'tighten' all the columns?
 
E.G. Column A has data, column B not data, column c has data
Delete column b and move column C to the left
 
E.G. AirCode
For my sheet
    find last.row with data ' that becomes the base point
    find last.column with data ' that becomes a base point
loop through columns & rows
    for A to last column
        from 1 to last row
    if data = null then
    delete column currentcolumn
blah blah blah
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Apr  4 03:07:23 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:07:23 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
References: <20060404051223.BEGX19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <005601c657be$db262230$6501a8c0@Nant>

Hi Darren,

Here is the code (it was good morning exercise!):

' Deletes empty columns of Excel.Worksheet {{rwks}}
' of an Excel.Range starting at
' {{vlngStartRow}}, {{vlngStartCol}} cell
Public Sub DropEmptyColumns( _
               ByRef rwks As Excel.Worksheet, _
               ByVal vlngStartRow As Long, ByVal vlngStartCol As Long)
Dim xlApp As Excel.Application
Dim rng As Excel.Range
Dim rngCol As Excel.Range
Dim rngAreas As Excel.Range
Dim lngColIdx As Long
Dim lngIdx As Long
Dim avar As Variant
Dim evar As Variant
Dim fEmptyColumn As Boolean
Dim rngArea As Excel.Range
    Set xlApp = rwks.Application
    ' select non-empty region
    Set rng = rwks.Cells(vlngStartRow, vlngStartCol).CurrentRegion
    If rng.Columns.Count > 0 Then
       ' for each column in selected region...
       For lngColIdx = 1 To rng.Columns.Count
          ' select column range without first (title) cell
          Set rngCol = rwks.Range( _
                       rwks.Cells(rng.Row + 1, lngColIdx), _
                       rwks.Cells(rng.Rows.Count + rng.Row + 1, lngColIdx))
          ' get column values into variant array
          avar = rngCol.Value
          fEmptyColumn = True
          ' search for not empty values in column array
          For lngIdx = LBound(avar) + 1 To UBound(avar)
            If Not IsEmpty(avar(lngIdx, 1)) Then
               ' when the first not-empty cell found
               ' set fEmptyColumn flag to False and exit cicle
               fEmptyColumn = False
               Exit For
            End If
          Next lngIdx

          If fEmptyColumn Then
             ' if column is empty add it to the area
             '  of the columns to be deleted
             Set rngCol = rwks.Columns(lngColIdx)
             If rngArea Is Nothing Then
                Set rngArea = rngCol.Areas.Item(1)
             Else
                Set rngArea = xlApp.Union(rngArea, rngCol)
             End If
          End If
       Next lngColIdx
    End If
    If Not rngArea Is Nothing Then
       ' delete empty columns' area
       rngArea.Delete
    End If
End Sub

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren DICK" <darrend at nimble.com.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q


> Hi all
> Cross Posted to dbqSQL list
> I am outputting reports to Excel from reporting services (SQL)
> The reports have many tables on them with differing column widths
> When I output the reports to Excel I find many columns with no data in 
> them
>
> Is there a way I can write some VBA and have it determine the last row on 
> the
> sheet with a value in it
> determine if there is any data in any cell from the top to the bottom - if 
> there
> is no data in the column
> delete it. Then 'tighten' all the columns?
>
> E.G. Column A has data, column B not data, column c has data
> Delete column b and move column C to the left
>
> E.G. AirCode
> For my sheet
>    find last.row with data ' that becomes the base point
>    find last.column with data ' that becomes a base point
> loop through columns & rows
>    for A to last column
>        from 1 to last row
>    if data = null then
>    delete column currentcolumn
> blah blah blah
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 03:25:30 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:25:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
Message-ID: <s43249af.092@cactus.dk>

Hi Juan

OK, I'll make a note on that!

/gustav

>>> mastercafe at ctv.es 03-04-2006 19:08 >>>
I'm from Spain, so i live 980 km from barcelona :)
Hope to see next travel in Madrid or Oviedo ;)

Have a nice travel

Juan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: lunes, 03 de abril de 2006 17:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona


Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer
or a glass of wine ...

/gustav



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 03:34:00 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:34:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
Message-ID: <s4324bb1.093@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Oh, that would require a looong drink in both time and space.

/gustav

>>> djkr at msn.com 03-04-2006 21:37 >>>
I'd love to share a beer with you, Gustav, but shall not get to Spain until
October, and then in the North*West*!
John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 03 April 2006 16:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona


Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer
or a glass of wine ...

/gustav



From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Tue Apr  4 05:45:16 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 06:45:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Return to same record after cancel.
Message-ID: <000901c657d4$dca6f3d0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Just discovered a lovely little one-two punch that everyone probably already 
knows about but was new to me.

If the user cancels an operation, I wanted to take them back to the record 
they were working on before they opened some other window.  The example is 
when my user clicks on the "Add New Record" command button.  If he/she 
changes his/her mind and decides to cancel the add operation, then I want to 
return to the record they were working on before they opened the "Add New 
Record" popup.

Because of some other things that are done in that popup, I need to requery 
the original form during the Cancel.  As you know, when the form is 
requeried, it returns to the first record in the form.

The workaround I discovered is this:

Private Sub cmdCancel()
   Dim lngCurrRec as Long
    lngCurrRec = Forms!PreviousFormName.CuirrentRecord

    -------
    Whatever other code you want in the Cancel event
    including the Forms!PreviousFormName.Requery
    -------
  DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "PreviousFormName", acGoTo, lngCurrRec

  DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.name

Exit Sub

This won't work if you've added any new records, of course, but it works 
great for a Cancel operation.  I've used recordset bookmarks a lot for 
similar operations but they won't work in this instance and this is so clean 
and neat, I really like it.

Penn



From darrend at nimble.com.au  Tue Apr  4 06:25:15 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:25:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
In-Reply-To: <005601c657be$db262230$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <20060404112534.ULLW17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Shamil
Genius - absolute genius
Thank you sooooo much for taking the time on this
This will help things along nicely
Brilliant


Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 6:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q

Hi Darren,

Here is the code (it was good morning exercise!):

' Deletes empty columns of Excel.Worksheet {{rwks}} ' of an Excel.Range starting
at ' {{vlngStartRow}}, {{vlngStartCol}} cell Public Sub DropEmptyColumns( _
               ByRef rwks As Excel.Worksheet, _
               ByVal vlngStartRow As Long, ByVal vlngStartCol As Long) Dim xlApp
As Excel.Application Dim rng As Excel.Range Dim rngCol As Excel.Range Dim
rngAreas As Excel.Range Dim lngColIdx As Long Dim lngIdx As Long Dim avar As
Variant Dim evar As Variant Dim fEmptyColumn As Boolean Dim rngArea As
Excel.Range
    Set xlApp = rwks.Application
    ' select non-empty region
    Set rng = rwks.Cells(vlngStartRow, vlngStartCol).CurrentRegion
    If rng.Columns.Count > 0 Then
       ' for each column in selected region...
       For lngColIdx = 1 To rng.Columns.Count
          ' select column range without first (title) cell
          Set rngCol = rwks.Range( _
                       rwks.Cells(rng.Row + 1, lngColIdx), _
                       rwks.Cells(rng.Rows.Count + rng.Row + 1, lngColIdx))
          ' get column values into variant array
          avar = rngCol.Value
          fEmptyColumn = True
          ' search for not empty values in column array
          For lngIdx = LBound(avar) + 1 To UBound(avar)
            If Not IsEmpty(avar(lngIdx, 1)) Then
               ' when the first not-empty cell found
               ' set fEmptyColumn flag to False and exit cicle
               fEmptyColumn = False
               Exit For
            End If
          Next lngIdx

          If fEmptyColumn Then
             ' if column is empty add it to the area
             '  of the columns to be deleted
             Set rngCol = rwks.Columns(lngColIdx)
             If rngArea Is Nothing Then
                Set rngArea = rngCol.Areas.Item(1)
             Else
                Set rngArea = xlApp.Union(rngArea, rngCol)
             End If
          End If
       Next lngColIdx
    End If
    If Not rngArea Is Nothing Then
       ' delete empty columns' area
       rngArea.Delete
    End If
End Sub

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren DICK" <darrend at nimble.com.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q


> Hi all
> Cross Posted to dbqSQL list
> I am outputting reports to Excel from reporting services (SQL)
> The reports have many tables on them with differing column widths
> When I output the reports to Excel I find many columns with no data in 
> them
>
> Is there a way I can write some VBA and have it determine the last row on 
> the
> sheet with a value in it
> determine if there is any data in any cell from the top to the bottom - if 
> there
> is no data in the column
> delete it. Then 'tighten' all the columns?
>
> E.G. Column A has data, column B not data, column c has data
> Delete column b and move column C to the left
>
> E.G. AirCode
> For my sheet
>    find last.row with data ' that becomes the base point
>    find last.column with data ' that becomes a base point
> loop through columns & rows
>    for A to last column
>        from 1 to last row
>    if data = null then
>    delete column currentcolumn
> blah blah blah
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 08:54:42 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:54:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74032567AE@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

A lot of the conferences are in Vegas now.  I've been to a couple there
but I really wish they'd find somewhere else.  I can only take so much
of that town (although I do get to visit my parents when there!!). 


Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very worthwhile
since I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish I could go
to Orlando but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:46 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 09:15:08 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:15:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
Message-ID: <s4329ba5.012@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Why can Excel read data from a live web page table just like that while Access can't?

Go to this page: 
  http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a

In IE, right-click on the table and choose Import in Excel, and in two seconds Excel opens with a worksheet with the linked data.

You can edit the query Excel uses and save it. This is it:

<iqy>
WEB
1
http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

Selection=1
Formatting=None
PreFormattedTextToColumns=True
ConsecutiveDelimitersAsOne=True
SingleBlockTextImport=False
DisableDateRecognition=False
</iqy>

If you use IE to save the page as a single html page, Access can link to that fine, so data is valid.
Any tricks for the live link? 

/gustav



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Apr  4 09:36:04 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:36:04 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB4A@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Yea, the chamber of commerce's real motto is "the money you take to Vegas
stays in Vegas." Texas Hold'em at night and Access seminars during the day-
my head will probably start spinning and explode. I'll report back to the
group if I find out anything interesting.
Jim Hale

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From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


A lot of the conferences are in Vegas now.  I've been to a couple there
but I really wish they'd find somewhere else.  I can only take so much
of that town (although I do get to visit my parents when there!!). 


Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very worthwhile
since I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish I could go
to Orlando but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale


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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue Apr  4 09:55:55 2006
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:55:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156A4D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

I ran into a problem with installing Office 2003 Pro on my computer.
I had created several databases with Access 2000, prior to my Office
upgrade, which used the Outlook 9.0 (2000) object model. When I open
these databases up, Access 2003 automatically changes the reference from
Outlook 9.0 to 11.0.
When a user, using Office 2000, opens this database they have a missing
reference!

How do others on this list deal with this issue where you are using a
newer version of Office to develop than the user's environment?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com



From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  4 10:13:19 2006
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:13:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74032567AE@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c657fa$4eeca550$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>

Jim,

Didn't you and I meet for drinks in Hollywood one year at
one of the seminars?

Joe Hecht
jmhecht at earthlink.net
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

A lot of the conferences are in Vegas now.  I've been to a
couple there
but I really wish they'd find somewhere else.  I can only
take so much
of that town (although I do get to visit my parents when
there!!). 


Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very
worthwhile
since I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish
I could go
to Orlando but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in
Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and
will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:46 PM
To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 10:37:23 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:37:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C740344409C@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I was going to mention what a great event Advisor hosted in Hollywood a
few years back.

Yes we did have a beer at the Hollywood Rennaisance Hotel (right next to
the famous Chinese Theatre and the Kodak, home of the Oscars).  Always
great to meet a list member.

I'd like to see something in San Francisco but late winter seems to be
hot there for conferences and I'm a warm weather kind of guy! 


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Jim,

Didn't you and I meet for drinks in Hollywood one year at one of the
seminars?

Joe Hecht
jmhecht at earthlink.net
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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

A lot of the conferences are in Vegas now.  I've been to a couple there
but I really wish they'd find somewhere else.  I can only take so much
of that town (although I do get to visit my parents when there!!). 


Jim

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Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very worthwhile
since I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish I could go
to Orlando but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale

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I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

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Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
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From MEC at stowers-institute.org  Tue Apr  4 10:43:57 2006
From: MEC at stowers-institute.org (Cook, Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:43:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
Message-ID: <CED81D34E37D5043A1211565277A51E504D2DD53@exchkc02.stowers-institute.org>

Darren,

'assuming your reports contain tables that have header columns but
otherwise lack values,
'you may want one of the following xxxDeleteBlankData subs.

Option Explicit
Public Sub ActiveCellCurrentRegionDeleteBlankData()
  RangeDeleteBlankData Excel.ActiveCell.CurrentRegion
End Sub
Public Sub SheetDeleteBlankData(Optional s As Excel.Worksheet)
  If s Is Nothing Then Set s = Excel.ActiveSheet
  RangeDeleteBlankData s.Range(1, 1).CurrentRegion
End Sub

Public Sub RangeDeleteBlankData(Optional r As Excel.Range)
  If r Is Nothing Then Set r = ActiveCell.CurrentRegion
  Dim col As Excel.Range
  For Each col In r.Columns
    If AllAreSpecialCells(col.Offset(1), xlCellTypeBlanks) Then
col.Delete (xlShiftToLeft)
  Next
End Sub

Public Function AllAreSpecialCells(r As Excel.Range, CellType As
XlCellType) As Boolean
  'Returns TRUE only if all the cells in the range are 'SpecialCells' of
type CellType
  On Error Resume Next ' error generated if NONE are special.  So,
return FALSE
  AllAreSpecialCells = r.Count = r.SpecialCells(CellType).Count
End Function

Malcolm Cook
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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:13 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
>
>Hi all
>Cross Posted to dbqSQL list
>I am outputting reports to Excel from reporting services (SQL)
>The reports have many tables on them with differing column widths
>When I output the reports to Excel I find many columns with no 
>data in them
> 
>Is there a way I can write some VBA and have it determine the 
>last row on the
>sheet with a value in it
>determine if there is any data in any cell from the top to the 
>bottom - if there
>is no data in the column
>delete it. Then 'tighten' all the columns?
> 
>E.G. Column A has data, column B not data, column c has data
>Delete column b and move column C to the left
> 
>E.G. AirCode
>For my sheet
>    find last.row with data ' that becomes the base point
>    find last.column with data ' that becomes a base point
>loop through columns & rows
>    for A to last column
>        from 1 to last row
>    if data = null then
>    delete column currentcolumn
>blah blah blah
> 
>Many thanks in advance
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 11:00:42 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:00:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
Message-ID: <s432b472.020@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Maybe I can answer this myself ...

I've looked around and live connection seems just not to work. The reason Excel can do it, is that it doesn't ... you ask it to requery and it reads in the page and the data and saves them in the worksheet for a static view.

For Access that static view is an external file. Thus download the page to a file and link that as a table.
However, the download can be semi-automated. 
You can use this function to download the file (takes less than a second) before opening the linked table in Access - no relink is needed:

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long

Public Function DownloadFile( _
  ByVal strURL As String, _
  ByVal strLocalFilename As String) _
  As Long
  
' Download file or page with public access from the web.
' 2004-12-17. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

' Usage, download a file:
' lngRet = DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/Graphics/conf2002/2002ConferencePicsbySmolin/images/dba02smolin27.jpg", "c:\happybassett.jpg")
'
' Usage, download a page:
' lngRet = DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/conf2002/conf200202.htm", "c:\dbaconference.htm")

' Returns 0 if success, error code if not.
' Error codes:
' -2146697210 "file not found".
' -2146697211 "domain not found".

' Limitation.
' Does not check if local file was created successfully.

  Dim lngRetVal As Long
    
  lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL & vbNullChar, strLocalFilename & vbNullChar, 0, 0)
  
  DownloadFile = lngRetVal
  
End Function

You could download the file when launching the app or a form, or if a more frequent update is needed, have a timer running doing it. When the file is written you cannot have the table linked to it open in Access so some sort of error handling is needed. That could be avoided by just opening the linked table for updating the data in another table the moment after a fresh download.

/gustav

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 04-04-2006 16:15:08 >>>
Hi all

Why can Excel read data from a live web page table just like that while Access can't?

Go to this page: 
  http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

In IE, right-click on the table and choose Import in Excel, and in two seconds Excel opens with a worksheet with the linked data.

You can edit the query Excel uses and save it. This is it:

<iqy>
WEB
1
http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

Selection=1
Formatting=None
PreFormattedTextToColumns=True
ConsecutiveDelimitersAsOne=True
SingleBlockTextImport=False
DisableDateRecognition=False
</iqy>

If you use IE to save the page as a single html page, Access can link to that fine, so data is valid.
Any tricks for the live link? 

/gustav




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 11:09:35 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:09:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>
References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403134107.01b63460@dalyn.co.nz>
	<002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>
Message-ID: <b874372a0604040909v265f6a55xdf08ba090861f6ee@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to make sure that both are running identically... one way
would be to run the utility from red-gate.

http://www.red-gate.com/products/SQL_Compare/index.htm

It's trial ware which is great for 14 days.  I use it from time to
time on dev systems.  Typically I run a backup of the live system to
the dev box, but this is another quick fix you can use

On 4/2/06, John Ruff <papparuff at comcast.net> wrote:
> Check your indexes in the tables that make up the views on the db that is
> running slow and compare them with the same tables in the db that is running
> fast. I'd venture to say you don't have one or more columns indexed in the
> slow db that should be indexed.
>
> Also, I would suggest using aliases in your stored procedures or any long
> query. It makes reading them much easier. Such as this:
>
> SELECT
>         a.CustomerID
>         ,a.StatementID
>         ,a.AccountNo
>         ,a.CustName
>         ,a.StatementDate
>         ,a.StatementNumber
>         ,a.AccFreq
>         ,a.CurrentMth
>         ,a.OneMonth
>         ,a.TwoMonths
>         ,a.ThreeMonths
>         ,a.NoOverdueNote
>         ,c.NetReceipts
>         ,c.GJCredit
>         ,d.NetReceiptsInv
>         ,d.GJCreditInv
>         ,a.MGrpIDNo
>         ,a.DDRegistered
>         ,a.DDFrequency
>         ,a.PayArrange
>         ,e.ReceiptNotPost AS ReceiptsNotPosted
>         ,a.VIPCust
>         ,a.AccStatus
> FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet AS a
> INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate AS b
>         ON a.CustomerID = b.CustIDNo
>         AND a.StatementDate = b.StatementDate
> LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt AS c
>         ON a.CustomerID = c.CustIDNo
>         AND a.StatementNumber = c.StatNum
> LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv AS d
>         ON a.CustomerID = d.CustIDNo
>         AND a.StatementNumber = d.InvNum
> LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost AS e
>         ON a.CustomerID = e.CustIDNo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:03 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
>
> Cross posted AccessD SQL
>
> SQL2000
>
> I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views.  I have
> two different databases that have the same tables, views and stored
> procedures.  The only difference is that the data is for separate
> companies.  Both databases are on the same server.
>
> I developed one set of queries and stored procedure in one of the
> databases.  The main part of the stored procedure is as follows:
>
> SELECT dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementID,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccountNo,  dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustName,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccFreq, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CurrentMth,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.OneMonth,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.TwoMonths,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.ThreeMonths, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.NoOverdueNote,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.NetReceipts,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.GJCredit, dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.NetReceiptsInv,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.GJCreditInv,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.MGrpIDNo,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDRegistered,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDFrequency, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.PayArrange,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.ReceiptNotPost AS
> ReceiptsNotPosted,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.VIPCust,        dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccStatus
> FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate
> ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo AND
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate =
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate LEFT OUTER
> JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt ON
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.CustIDNo
> AND
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber =
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.StatNum LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv
> ON
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.CustIDNo AND
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber =
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.InvNum
>          LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost ON
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.CustIDNo
>
> In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine (in about
> 30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and restore them
> into the second database, the same stored procedure runs for over 10
> minutes with about a fifth of the data.
>
> Is there some optimizing that I need to do to get the second database
> to work as fast as the first one?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> New Zealand
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  4 11:10:28 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:10:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Strip out text
In-Reply-To: <s432b472.020@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F258D2F31D42381840C538DD2CA0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a dictionary 
for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list of field names 
in each table.  The format is the same across the board: BB_CREG_TU  or 
TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an undersore...more letters...and 
so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this list 
of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For the 
example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and ending with 
FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any suggestions/direction 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr  4 11:22:02 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:22:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
In-Reply-To: <s432b472.020@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002001c65803$e8d35cf0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Wow, that is cool. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table

Hi all

Maybe I can answer this myself ...

I've looked around and live connection seems just not to work. The reason
Excel can do it, is that it doesn't ... you ask it to requery and it reads
in the page and the data and saves them in the worksheet for a static view.

For Access that static view is an external file. Thus download the page to a
file and link that as a table.
However, the download can be semi-automated. 
You can use this function to download the file (takes less than a second)
before opening the linked table in Access - no relink is needed:

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias
"URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long

Public Function DownloadFile( _
  ByVal strURL As String, _
  ByVal strLocalFilename As String) _
  As Long
  
' Download file or page with public access from the web.
' 2004-12-17. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

' Usage, download a file:
' lngRet =
DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/Graphics/conf2002/2002Conferen
cePicsbySmolin/images/dba02smolin27.jpg", "c:\happybassett.jpg") '
' Usage, download a page:
' lngRet =
DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/conf2002/conf200202.htm",
"c:\dbaconference.htm")

' Returns 0 if success, error code if not.
' Error codes:
' -2146697210 "file not found".
' -2146697211 "domain not found".

' Limitation.
' Does not check if local file was created successfully.

  Dim lngRetVal As Long
    
  lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL & vbNullChar, strLocalFilename &
vbNullChar, 0, 0)
  
  DownloadFile = lngRetVal
  
End Function

You could download the file when launching the app or a form, or if a more
frequent update is needed, have a timer running doing it. When the file is
written you cannot have the table linked to it open in Access so some sort
of error handling is needed. That could be avoided by just opening the
linked table for updating the data in another table the moment after a fresh
download.

/gustav

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 04-04-2006 16:15:08 >>>
Hi all

Why can Excel read data from a live web page table just like that while
Access can't?

Go to this page: 
  http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

In IE, right-click on the table and choose Import in Excel, and in two
seconds Excel opens with a worksheet with the linked data.

You can edit the query Excel uses and save it. This is it:

<iqy>
WEB
1
http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

Selection=1
Formatting=None
PreFormattedTextToColumns=True
ConsecutiveDelimitersAsOne=True
SingleBlockTextImport=False
DisableDateRecognition=False
</iqy>

If you use IE to save the page as a single html page, Access can link to
that fine, so data is valid.
Any tricks for the live link? 

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 11:29:23 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:29:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <s432bb0c.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Hey, JC must have a util for this - his favourite naming style!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 04-04-2006 18:10:28 >>>
Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a dictionary 
for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list of field names 
in each table.  The format is the same across the board: BB_CREG_TU  or 
TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an undersore...more letters...and 
so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this list 
of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For the 
example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and ending with 
FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any suggestions/direction 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 11:31:40 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:31:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5978@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Thanks, Gustav.  Sorry I took so long to reply to this but I've been up
to my eyes in problems with a SQL backend.  Our code has to deal with
date strings brought in from a delimited text file and with converting a
date to a string for export in that format, as well as just handling the
data in the application.  When you look at a date string in a text file,
you have no idea what system date format is used or whether it is
compatible with the current date format, but we still have to convert
them to US format for use in SQL statements.  Since those dates may NOT
be formatted to the local settings, it can get very entertaining. ;->


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 5:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

As soon as you have a Date value you cannot fail; all you have to is do
to apply the formatting and, using the principle in my StrDateSQL, no
local setting will influence that. It's foolproof.

However, to get to the Date value is another task and requires careful
handling. As you correctly point out, users can type anything.
For this purpose I would recommend the suggestion by Stuart, DateValue,
as it understands date expression strings formatted as to the local
settings.
Unfortunately, it understands more than that which can lead to
unpredictable results. How to avoid this, read on here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2004-December/029764.html 

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:37:58 >>>
Oh, and we also have to deal with converting data between systems that
use different date formats and delimiters.  Start playing with languages
that use a dot as a date delimiter or a space. ;o> 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 11:33:27 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:33:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
Message-ID: <s432bbff.022@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Really? Thank you.

I just wondered ... someone must have been doing something like this. There's so much info out there in lists and tables on web pages. Only a minor part has been transferred to web-services.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com 04-04-2006 18:22:02 >>>
Wow, that is cool. 




From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 11:36:56 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:36:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440B6@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will
break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add
new records to your table (sorry for no example). 

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text

Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a
dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list
of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an
undersore...more letters...and so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this
list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For
the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and
ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any
suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 11:53:39 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:53:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <s432c0d9.024@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Yes, right, lots of fun. 
And if such files are exported from a bank's mainframe the fun may rise to the next level!

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 04-04-2006 18:31:40 >>>
Thanks, Gustav.  Sorry I took so long to reply to this but I've been up
to my eyes in problems with a SQL backend.  Our code has to deal with
date strings brought in from a delimited text file and with converting a
date to a string for export in that format, as well as just handling the
data in the application.  When you look at a date string in a text file,
you have no idea what system date format is used or whether it is
compatible with the current date format, but we still have to convert
them to US format for use in SQL statements.  Since those dates may NOT
be formatted to the local settings, it can get very entertaining. ;->


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 5:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

As soon as you have a Date value you cannot fail; all you have to is do
to apply the formatting and, using the principle in my StrDateSQL, no
local setting will influence that. It's foolproof.

However, to get to the Date value is another task and requires careful
handling. As you correctly point out, users can type anything.
For this purpose I would recommend the suggestion by Stuart, DateValue,
as it understands date expression strings formatted as to the local
settings.
Unfortunately, it understands more than that which can lead to
unpredictable results. How to avoid this, read on here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2004-December/029764.html 

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:37:58 >>>
Oh, and we also have to deal with converting data between systems that
use different date formats and delimiters.  Start playing with languages
that use a dot as a date delimiter or a space. ;o> 




From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 11:57:35 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440BA@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Felt guilty.  Here's a sample using Split. You can work out getting each
element into your table via recordset. 

Sub SplitString()
Dim str As String
Dim arrStr
Dim i As Integer

    str = "AB_55_tt_1g"
    arrStr = Split(str, "_")
     For i = 0 To UBound(arrStr)
        Debug.Print arrStr(i)
     Next i
End Sub

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text

Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will
break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add
new records to your table (sorry for no example). 

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text

Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a
dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list
of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an
undersore...more letters...and so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this
list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For
the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and
ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any
suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr  4 12:01:54 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:01:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
In-Reply-To: <s432bb0c.021@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002801c65809$7a8cb6f0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Naw, I use a single underscore behind the table prefix.

;-) 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:29 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text

Hi Mark

Hey, JC must have a util for this - his favourite naming style!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 04-04-2006 18:10:28 >>>
Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a dictionary
for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list of field names
in each table.  The format is the same across the board: BB_CREG_TU  or
TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an undersore...more letters...and
so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this list
of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For the
example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and ending with
FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any suggestions/direction
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 12:10:13 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:10:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C597D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  4 12:18:08 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:18:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440BA@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F15BD403BD06AD53D095EB7D2CA0@phx.gbl>

Jim,

Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize "Split"  
Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400
>
>Felt guilty.  Here's a sample using Split. You can work out getting each
>element into your table via recordset.
>
>Sub SplitString()
>Dim str As String
>Dim arrStr
>Dim i As Integer
>
>     str = "AB_55_tt_1g"
>     arrStr = Split(str, "_")
>      For i = 0 To UBound(arrStr)
>         Debug.Print arrStr(i)
>      Next i
>End Sub
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:37 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will
>break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add
>new records to your table (sorry for no example).
>
>HTH,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a
>dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list
>of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
>BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an
>undersore...more letters...and so on)
>
>The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this
>list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For
>the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and
>ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any
>suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Apr  4 12:23:13 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:23:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Hamachi - again...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D7973B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D351D9@ADGSERVER>

Jim,

Sorry, I did not see your reply.

Don't worry about being too basic.  I'm a dev, not a network guy.  LOL.

1) Yes it is running.  I can actually connect to my machine via TightVNC
(someone suggested one of the other VNCs, but I have not had time to install
and configure it).

2) I do have a couple of shares that are open to everyone (home network via
NAT) that I should be able to see.  

The error message I get is "The path '\\5.xxx.yyy.zzz' does not exist or is
not a valid directory."

When I connected to my work PC from home via Browse, I had to log in.  When
I try to browse from work to home, I get no login screen.  Both are XP Pro.

I am also able to use the chat feature of Hamachi between the two PCs.

Thanks,
Bobby

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Hamachi - again...


Hi Bobby:

These questions may sound overly obvious for that I apologize but:

1. Is 'Hamachi' left running on PC at home... it will show at the bottom
right section of your task bar when it is.

2. Have you setup shares on your home PC? No share(s), no access. By adding
the appropriate security to these shares it will either ask for login
validation or not. Set the level of security and who is allowed access by
right-mouse-clicking the directory/share in question, opening the security
tab and attaching the required user. 

HTH
Jim 



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 12:29:59 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:29:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440C7@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

No A97 doesn't support Split, sorry.  You can find a Split replacement
on Codehound.com though and run with that.  Another option is to use
Instr() and Mid() functions to walk through the text.  InStr to find the
location of the trailing underscore and Mid to grab whatever piece of
text you need (from the beginning of the string or the previous Instr
location stored in a variable).  

Let me know if you need an example (Split's a lot easier though).  I can
probably whip up some pseudo-code if need be.


Jim D.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text

Jim,

Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize
"Split"  
Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400
>
>Felt guilty.  Here's a sample using Split. You can work out getting 
>each element into your table via recordset.
>
>Sub SplitString()
>Dim str As String
>Dim arrStr
>Dim i As Integer
>
>     str = "AB_55_tt_1g"
>     arrStr = Split(str, "_")
>      For i = 0 To UBound(arrStr)
>         Debug.Print arrStr(i)
>      Next i
>End Sub
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:37 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will

>break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add 
>new records to your table (sorry for no example).
>
>HTH,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a 
>dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list 
>of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
>BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an 
>undersore...more letters...and so on)
>
>The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this 
>list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For

>the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and 
>ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any 
>suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 12:33:05 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:33:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440C9@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Charlotte,

The one thing I've noticed when code stops working is that there may be
some bad code elsewhere.  Have you tried compiling your code and seeing
if the compiler can find anything untoward?


Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:10 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Apr  4 12:34:44 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:34:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625396@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

There is something about the .eof and .bof not working in Access 2003.
You have to first move to .eof before you can find .bof.  I know it is a
bug, I don't know if they have fixed it yet. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:10 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 12:43:15 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:43:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5981@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Well, that's another thing I've noticed since I installed 2003/VS 2005:
the code compiles but it still may break at runtime!  However, to answer
your question, it all compiles, there are no broken references, and all
the usual suspects have been hauled in for questioning.  It's one of the
more maddening things I've run into in a history of being driven crazy
by Access. :-< 


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

Charlotte,

The one thing I've noticed when code stops working is that there may be
some bad code elsewhere.  Have you tried compiling your code and seeing
if the compiler can find anything untoward?


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:10 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 12:46:57 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:46:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5982@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

How can you move to EOF in an empty recordset?  If you do a move on an
empty recordset, it errors!  Anyhow, I don't have Access 2003 installed,
but of course Jet is there for the other 2003 apps that use it, so I
suppose it's still a possible culprit. 


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

There is something about the .eof and .bof not working in Access 2003.
You have to first move to .eof before you can find .bof.  I know it is a
bug, I don't know if they have fixed it yet. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:10 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  4 12:52:25 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:52:25 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440C7@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F2014465369C738D3E5AD8AD2CA0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the offer, but I moved it to another machine with A2k and Split 
worked...but If I have to go back to 97...I'll use the instr and mid.

Thanks again for the info.

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:29:59 -0400
>
>No A97 doesn't support Split, sorry.  You can find a Split replacement
>on Codehound.com though and run with that.  Another option is to use
>Instr() and Mid() functions to walk through the text.  InStr to find the
>location of the trailing underscore and Mid to grab whatever piece of
>text you need (from the beginning of the string or the previous Instr
>location stored in a variable).
>
>Let me know if you need an example (Split's a lot easier though).  I can
>probably whip up some pseudo-code if need be.
>
>
>Jim D.
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:18 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Jim,
>
>Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize
>"Split"
>Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
> >From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
> >Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400
> >
> >Felt guilty.  Here's a sample using Split. You can work out getting
> >each element into your table via recordset.
> >
> >Sub SplitString()
> >Dim str As String
> >Dim arrStr
> >Dim i As Integer
> >
> >     str = "AB_55_tt_1g"
> >     arrStr = Split(str, "_")
> >      For i = 0 To UBound(arrStr)
> >         Debug.Print arrStr(i)
> >      Next i
> >End Sub
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:37 PM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
> >
> >Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will
>
> >break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add
> >new records to your table (sorry for no example).
> >
> >HTH,
> >
> >Jim DeMarco
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a
> >dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list
> >of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
> >BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an
> >undersore...more letters...and so on)
> >
> >The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this
> >list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For
>
> >the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and
> >ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any
> >suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark A. Matte
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 12:53:13 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:53:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <s432cec6.025@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Have you tried with

If Not (rst.EOF = True And rst.BOF = True) Then

Also, I know this construction is widely used, but I've never seen it necessary to check for BOF when opening a recordset, only when you possibly step up beyond record 1.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 04-04-2006 19:10:13 >>>
Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 13:05:21 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:05:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <s432d1a2.026@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Look here for fast Split() implementations for Access97:

  http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Split.htm 

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 04-04-2006 19:18:08 >>>
Jim,

Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize "Split"  
Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 13:10:22 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:10:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C598A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Yes, and that fails as well.  BOF AND EOF is impossible in anything but
an empty recordset.  If the pointer is at both BOF and EOF it is because
there are no records in between.  In ADO, it's the only way to check for
an empty recordset because the record pointer is set to the opposite
position as in DAO, so you can't just check for one the way you can in
DAO.  The code has worked for years checking for an empty recordset
before trying to manipulate it.  Now I've had to fall back on "If Not
rst.EOF Or rst.Recordcount > 0 Then" which is ugly but at least doesn't
return bypass the code when there are records in the recordset and
doesn't drop into it when there are none ... So far. 


Charlotte /foust

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

Hi Charlotte

Have you tried with

If Not (rst.EOF = True And rst.BOF = True) Then

Also, I know this construction is widely used, but I've never seen it
necessary to check for BOF when opening a recordset, only when you
possibly step up beyond record 1.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 04-04-2006 19:10:13 >>>
Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Apr  4 13:25:10 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:25:10 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB55@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

How about something like this where underscore is the delimiter:
Function StringToArray_TSB(strIn As String, arrIn() As String, chrDelimit As
String) As Long
  ' Comments  : Converts a delimited string to an array of words
  ' Parameters: strIn - string to convert
  '             arrIn - array of strings (1-based)
  '             chrDelimit - character used to delimit words in strIn
  ' Returns   : number of words
  '
  Dim intCounter As Integer
  Dim intWordCount As Integer

  intWordCount = CountDelimitedWords_TSB(strIn, chrDelimit)
  ReDim arrIn(1 To intWordCount)

  For intCounter = 1 To intWordCount
    arrIn(intCounter) = GetDelimitedWord_TSB(strIn, intCounter, chrDelimit)
  Next intCounter

  StringToArray_TSB = intWordCount

End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text


Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a dictionary

for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list of field names 
in each table.  The format is the same across the board: BB_CREG_TU  or 
TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an undersore...more letters...and

so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this list 
of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For the 
example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and ending with 
FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any suggestions/direction 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Apr  4 13:46:12 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:46:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43036253A2@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Could it have anything to do with the dreaded sandbox mode?   Check out
this site, at the bottom, it references vba code that may bomb:

http://www.databasedev.co.uk/jet-sandbox-mode.html 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

Yes, and that fails as well.  BOF AND EOF is impossible in anything but
an empty recordset.  If the pointer is at both BOF and EOF it is because
there are no records in between.  In ADO, it's the only way to check for
an empty recordset because the record pointer is set to the opposite
position as in DAO, so you can't just check for one the way you can in
DAO.  The code has worked for years checking for an empty recordset
before trying to manipulate it.  Now I've had to fall back on "If Not
rst.EOF Or rst.Recordcount > 0 Then" which is ugly but at least doesn't
return bypass the code when there are records in the recordset and
doesn't drop into it when there are none ... So far. 


Charlotte /foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

Hi Charlotte

Have you tried with

If Not (rst.EOF = True And rst.BOF = True) Then

Also, I know this construction is widely used, but I've never seen it
necessary to check for BOF when opening a recordset, only when you
possibly step up beyond record 1.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 04-04-2006 19:10:13 >>>
Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.


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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Apr  4 14:19:47 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:19:47 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8A581@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Back in my Access 97 days I wrote a "Field()" function which allowed me to
pick off parts of strings using any arbitrary delimiter. I find this handy
when I need to parse a string that uses *different* delimiters, say an
underscore at one point and a comma at another.

Here's the code

Function Field(ByVal strSource As String, strSep As String, intN As Integer)
As Variant
'Purpose:
'   Returns the Nth element in a delimited list.
'   Input: strSource - the list to search
'             strSep - the delimiter of the list - can be more than one
character
'             intN - the ordinal value of the element to be returned
'
' Null is returned if either string parameter is null, or intN <=0 or
' If the separator string is not found
'
'Str = Field("Chuck*Roberts","*",1) would return "Chuck".
Dim strResult As String
Dim strSearch As String
Dim i As Long
Dim lSep As Long
Dim lRightChars As Long

    lSep = 0: i = 0
    If IsNull(strSource) Or strSource = "" Or IsNull(strSep) Or strSep = ""
Or intN <= 0 Then
        strResult = ""
    Else
        strSearch = strSource
        While i < intN
            lSep = InStr(strSearch, strSep)
            If lSep > 0 Then ' we found the delimiter string
                i = i + 1 ' count occurrence
                If i = intN Then ' this is the one we want
                    strResult = left$(strSearch, lSep - 1)
                End If
                ' strip off i'th field
                strSearch = right(strSearch, Len(strSearch) - (lSep +
Len(strSep) - 1))
            Else ' did not find our separator string, so return the
remainder of the string if the count is ok
                If i = intN - 1 Then '  we have seen N-1 separator strings,
so this is the field we want
                                                ' at the end of the search
string
                    i = i + 1 ' to terminate the While loop
                    strResult = strSearch
                Else    ' there were less than N-1 fields in the input to
return Null
                    strResult = ""
                    i = intN
                End If
            End If
        Wend
    End If
    If strResult = "" Then
        Field = Null
    Else
        Field = strResult
    End If
End Function

For your application you could do what you want using it and a simple loop

Dim vResult as Variant
Dim n as Long
	n = 1
	vResult = Field(someString,"_",n)
	While Not IsNull(vResult)
		' do something with vResult
		n = n + 1
		vResult = Field(someString,"_",n)
	Wend

HTH

Lambert



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text


Thanks for the offer, but I moved it to another machine with A2k and Split 
worked...but If I have to go back to 97...I'll use the instr and mid.

Thanks again for the info.

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:29:59 -0400
>
>No A97 doesn't support Split, sorry.  You can find a Split replacement 
>on Codehound.com though and run with that.  Another option is to use
>Instr() and Mid() functions to walk through the text.  InStr to find 
>the location of the trailing underscore and Mid to grab whatever piece 
>of text you need (from the beginning of the string or the previous 
>Instr location stored in a variable).
>
>Let me know if you need an example (Split's a lot easier though).  I 
>can probably whip up some pseudo-code if need be.
>
>
>Jim D.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:18 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Jim,
>
>Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize 
>"Split" Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  4 18:15:46 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:15:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
References: <s432bbff.022@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4432FE22.4000407@shaw.ca>

Would have been easier if they punted this out in xml for a quicker 
parse but you can also get web text with xmlhttp
Web page returned  also flunks XHTML compliance
 see http://validator.w3.org/
which also might have helped,
 but then the Inet method is probably quicker.

'This code fires off request to specified WEB page
'returns html, asp, xml, or text page in text string then sent to file 
on disk
'Makes use of the XMLHTTPRequest object contained in msxml.dll.
'Check off Reference to MSXML Version 2.0 3.0
' I am using latest Version of IE5
' should also work with IE5.0 MSXML ver 2.0,2.6, 3.0 etc

'GrabTextFileFromWebSite 
("http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a")

Public Sub GrabTextFileFromWebSite(strMyURL As String)
  
     Dim oHttp As Object
     Dim strFileName As String
    
    'make use of the XMLHTTPRequest object contained in msxml.dll
    ' Set oHttp = CreateObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP")
    Set oHttp = CreateObject("MSXML2.XMLHTTP.4.0")
    'oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", 
"application/x-www-form-urlencoded"
    'oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", "text/xml"
    'oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", "multipart/form-data"
      
  
     'oHttp.Open "GET", "http://www.amazon.com", False
    
       oHttp.Open "GET", strMyURL, False
      
    ' stick in your web page above , file type can be anything asp txt 
xml html etc.
    'depends partially on content type
    'oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", 
"application/x-www-form-urlencoded"
     oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", "text/xml"
    oHttp.send
   
 
    
     'check the feedback
     Debug.Print "Ready State =" & oHttp.ReadyState
     'normal state =4
     Debug.Print "Status =" & oHttp.status
     'normal status = 200
     Debug.Print "Status Text =" & oHttp.statusText
    ' Debug.Print oHttp.getAllResponseHeaders()
    'Debug.Print "Response Body =" & oHttp.responseBody
    ' Debug.Print "Response Body =" & StrConv(oHttp.responseBody, vbUnicode)
    'Debug.Print "Response Text =" & oHttp.responseText
    'Parse response text string here or send to file
    'create directory structure if not in existance
    'CreateDirectoryStruct ("c:\Accesshtmlstealer")
   ' MsgBox oHttp.responseXML.xml 'no xml returned? missing MIME
   
    strFileName = "c:\Accesshtmlstealer\Gustav"
    strFileName = strFileName & Format(Now, "yyyymmddhhmmss") & ".txt"
   
       WriteFile strFileName, oHttp.responseText
       findtable (oHttp.responseText)
        '
        Exit Sub
       
ErrorHandler:
        MsgBox Err.Description & vbCrLf & Err.Number
        '
        Resume Next
   
End Sub
Public Sub WriteFile(ByVal sFileName As String, ByVal sContents As String)
' Dump XML  String to File for debugging
    Dim fhFile As Integer
    fhFile = FreeFile
   ' Debug.Print "Length of string=" & Len(sContents)
    Open sFileName For Output As #fhFile
    Print #fhFile, sContents;
    Close #fhFile
    Debug.Print "Out File " & sFileName
End Sub
Sub findtable(strTable As String)
'parse out string
Dim lStart As Long
Dim lStop As Long
lStart = InStr(1, strTable, "<table class=""tracker"">")
lStop = InStr(1, strTable, "</table>")
Debug.Print Mid(strTable, lStart, lStop - lStart + 1)
'MsgBox Mid(strTable, lStart, lStop - lStart + 1) 'need ESC
End Sub

If it was xml parseable it would have just been something like this

Sub test4()
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument40
Dim objNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
Dim i As Long
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load 
("http://www.webservicex.net/stockquote.asmx/GetQuote?symbol=msft")
    If xmlDoc.parseError.errorCode <> 0 Then
                   Debug.Print " Reason: " & xmlDoc.parseError.reason
                   Debug.Print " Line: " & xmlDoc.parseError.Line
                    Debug.Print " Position: " & xmlDoc.parseError.linepos
            End If
Set objNodeList = xmlDoc.getElementsByTagName("*")
Debug.Print objNodeList.length
Debug.Print xmlDoc.xml
For i = 0 To (objNodeList.length - 1)
  MsgBox (objNodeList.Item(i).xml)
Next
End Sub

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi John
>
>Really? Thank you.
>
>I just wondered ... someone must have been doing something like this. There's so much info out there in lists and tables on web pages. Only a minor part has been transferred to web-services.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com 04-04-2006 18:22:02 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Wow, that is cool. 
>
>
>  
>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  4 18:36:26 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:36:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
References: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156A4D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <443302FA.1080200@shaw.ca>

Use late binding with CreateObject and maybe use a conditional compile 
around Early and Late binding.

or you could use this code to  force a reference function on immediate 
entry to the mdb if you are sure of the path.
and a similar delete of old reference.

The first of the following two functions adds a reference to the 
calendar control to the References collection.
The second function removes the reference to the calendar control.

Function AddReference() As Boolean
    Dim ref As Reference
    dim strFile As String

    On Error GoTo Error_AddReference
    strFile = "C:\Windows\System\Mscal.ocx"
    ' Create reference to calendar control.
    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFile)
    AddReference = True

Exit_AddReference:
    Exit Function

Error_AddReference:
    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    AddReference = False
    Resume Exit_AddReference
End Function

Function RemoveReference() As Boolean

    Dim ref As Reference

    On Error GoTo Error_RemoveReference
    Set ref = References!MSACAL
    ' Remove calendar control reference.
    References.Remove ref
    RemoveReference = True

Exit_RemoveReference:
    Exit Function

Error_RemoveReference:
    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    RemoveReference = False
    Resume Exit_RemoveReference
End Function




Function ReferenceFromFile(strFileName As String, _
              Optional Warning As Boolean) As Boolean
'ReferenceFromFile "c:\Windows\System\vbscript.dll\3" , True
' One caveat adding a reference this way forces a decompile
' so cannot be used in an MDE. At least not executed inside one to
' reset references.

    Dim ref As Access.Reference

    On Error GoTo Error_ReferenceFromFile
    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFileName)
    ReferenceFromFile = True

Exit_ReferenceFromFile:
    Exit Function

Error_ReferenceFromFile:
    If Warning = True Then VBA.MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    ReferenceFromFile = False
    Resume Exit_ReferenceFromFile
End Function
Joe Rojas wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I ran into a problem with installing Office 2003 Pro on my computer.
>I had created several databases with Access 2000, prior to my Office
>upgrade, which used the Outlook 9.0 (2000) object model. When I open
>these databases up, Access 2003 automatically changes the reference from
>Outlook 9.0 to 11.0.
>When a user, using Office 2000, opens this database they have a missing
>reference!
>
>How do others on this list deal with this issue where you are using a
>newer version of Office to develop than the user's environment?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Rojas
>IT Manager
>TNCO, Inc.
>781-447-6661 x7506
>jrojas at tnco-inc.com
>
>  
>

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Apr  4 18:58:11 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:58:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A47F5ED@aries.TexasSystems. local>
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A47F5ED@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060405111333.01b77b28@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks to all who have responded.  I am working my way through the suggestions.

I downloaded the trial version of Red-Gate SQL comparison.  It only 
showed some extended properties as being different in the various 
tables, views and sprocs.  I synchronized the objects but the problem 
still persists.

Using Ken's Test by Destruction method I identified the problem view 
as highlighted below:

SELECT dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccountNo,  dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustName, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccFreq, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CurrentMth, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.OneMonth,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.TwoMonths, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.ThreeMonths, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.NoOverdueNote,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.NetReceipts, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.GJCredit, dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.NetReceiptsInv,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.GJCreditInv, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.MGrpIDNo,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDRegistered, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDFrequency, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.PayArrange,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.ReceiptNotPost AS 
ReceiptsNotPosted, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.VIPCust,        dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccStatus
FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate 
ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo AND 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate LEFT OUTER 
JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.StatNum LEFT OUTER JOIN 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv        ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.InvNum
         LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.CustIDNo

This is the whole of the sproc - there are no other where clauses etc.

When I delete this join (and the fields in the SELECT section from 
the dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv view) then the sproc runs in 4 seconds 
and returns 680 rows.

When I run the dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv view within Access it 
returns 2780 rows in a couple of second.

Ken asked if the views are indexed.  I couldn't see any properties in 
SQL2000 in the view for indexing.  The StatementNumber and InvNum 
fields in the underlying tables are indexed

I have used the dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv view in other sprocs and 
they work in an acceptable time.  In all other cases though the join 
is to a table, not another view. (However, remember that the same 
sproc runs fine in the second database).

The dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv is not a simple view:

SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'CR' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt < 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 2))
         + SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'CN' THEN CASE WHEN 
TranAmt < 0 THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 2))
         + SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'RR' THEN CASE WHEN 
TranAmt > 0 THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS NetReceiptsInv,
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'CR' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt < 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS CRReceiptsInv,
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'CN' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt < 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS CNReceiptsInv,
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'RR' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt > 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS RevReceiptsInv,
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'GJ' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt < 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS GJCreditInv, dbo.tblGenJournal.LinkIDNo,
    dbo.tblGenJournal.CustIDNo, dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceNumber - 1 
AS InvNum, dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceDate
FROM dbo.tblGenJournal INNER JOIN dbo.tblCustInvoice ON 
dbo.tblGenJournal.LinkIDNo = dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceID
WHERE (dbo.tblGenJournal.TranType = 1)
GROUP BY dbo.tblGenJournal.LinkIDNo, dbo.tblGenJournal.CustIDNo, 
dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceNumber - 1, dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceDate
HAVING (dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceNumber - 1 > 0)
ORDER BY dbo.tblGenJournal.LinkIDNo


David

At 4/04/2006, you wrote:

>David,
>
> > I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views ...
> > In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine
> > (in about 30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and
> > restore them into the second database, the same stored procedure
> > runs for over 10 minutes...
>
>It is a little hard to give advice without more information:
>
>* Are the views simple views (SELECTs against a single table) or complex
>(SELECTs against multiple tables)?
>* Are the views indexed?
>* Are you returning a subset of the records in your procedure, or
>everything? (In other words, is there a WHERE clause you are not showing
>us?)
>* What is the distribution of the data? For instance, does
>vwAgedDebtorGet return greatly more or less records than
>vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate?
>
>Even without answers to these questions, there is a diagnostic method
>that will almost certainly work: Test by Destruction. To do this:
>
>1. Make copies of your proc on both databases.
>2. On the copies, remove one view at a time from each proc. (start from
>the bottom)
>3. Recreate both procs, and test the response time.
>4. Repeat steps 2-3 until your slower proc performs as expected, or you
>run out of views
>
>The last view you removed, or the last one standing, is the one that is
>introducing the slowdown. Investigate that view, because something about
>it is different between the two databases, or the data it is querying is
>different. If the view is complex, you can test it by destruction using
>the process outlined above to find the table or join that is causing the
>problem.
>
>Test by Destruction is a generic, simple way of isolating problems in
>complex queries.
>
>-Ken
>--
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Apr  4 19:04:14 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:04:14 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0604031434u69381f83h452fe6e959459dbc@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403144712.01abbb48@dalyn.co.nz>
	<b874372a0604031434u69381f83h452fe6e959459dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060405115738.01b72f78@dalyn.co.nz>

The server is just my local machine not connected to any 
network.  However, the same results occur on the networked server on 
the Client site.

Physical Memory 512MB
Virtual Memory 2 GB

As far as "hdd, raid, and of course... index defrags" are concerned, 
where do I find the information on these?

David


At 4/04/2006, Francisco Tapia wrote:
>David,
>   I might have missed your first post.  I'm curious to know what is
>your server configuration like?, memory, hdd, raid, and of course...
>index defrags.



From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr  5 10:36:54 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:36:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Data Access Pages Unavailable
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1144170002.792.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF90715828.64D472D2-ON85257147.00550DAA-85257147.0055CC48@is002023.gdls.com>

The one area of Access where I have no experience at all is in data access
pages. I thought they might be the answer to a need I have, but when I try
to create one, I am unable to do so. Using the wizard results in an error
message (...unable to create...). Starting with a blank one, I have no
access to any field lists to add anything! The icon to the left of the path
in the field list has a red cross on it. Trying harder to get into it, it
tells me that it's "unable to connect to the data source", which, being
itself, sounds a bit strange.

I tried on another computer, and had the same results. I'm guessing my
company has turned something off here. I'm thinking of contacting IT and
asking about it, but am hoping someone here can tell me what may be the
problem (e.g., what may have been turned off, if anything).

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Wed Apr  5 11:11:19 2006
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop>

I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database object, lines of code, etc.).

The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.

Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Apr  5 11:27:32 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:27:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop>
References: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <4433EFF4.3070405@san.rr.com>

Impossible.  If you select "per line of code" he'll want to know how 
many lines.  If you select "per form" he'll want to know how many 
forms.  If "per object" he'll want to know what an object is.

I suggest that the best method of computing per unit cost is "per hour 
of development time". He'll certainly know what an hour is.

Rocky


Barbara Ryan wrote:
> I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database object, lines of code, etc.).
>
> The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.
>
> Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  5 12:03:23 2006
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:03:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access 2003 -- keeps crashing on import
Message-ID: <BAY102-F18AF0D092498C74DABBDFBE5CB0@phx.gbl>

Hello:

I'm running MS Access 2003 on Windows XP SP2.

When I try to import an Excel spreadsheet into an MS Access database, MS 
Access crashes.  It doesn't matter whether destination database is in Access 
2k or 2003 format.  The following information is found in the event log.

Faulting application msaccess.exe, version 11.0.5614.0, stamp 3f3c8e3c, 
faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, stamp 00000000, debug? 0, fault 
address 0x00000000.

I've tried searching the web for this error and found that some other people 
also have the same problem (however not during an import but from other 
tasks such as creating a new report or viewing a form).

Can anyone shed some light on this situation?  Has this happened to anyone 
else before?

Many thanks in advance,

Billy




From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr  5 12:12:47 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:12:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1144256400.22718.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF1BE80C9F.66B77D5C-ON85257147.005DD95B-85257147.005E9391@is002023.gdls.com>

I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client
has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application,
although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database
object, lines of code, etc.).

The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some
reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or
output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.

Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion,
what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
------------------------------------------------------

Why does the client want this? If the client is trying to justify the cost,
or perhaps is wanting to roll the cost into whatever he/she produces, I
would just take the overall charges to the client and divide the total by
however many widgets he/she has produced in that time period. The only
other "unit" cost that might make sense, I suppose, would refer to the
number of people using your program. This would involve dividing the total
of charges by the number of users, and then dividing again by the number of
versions (however you would determine that), since each version could be
considered an additional "unit". That is, if 10 people have used 3
versions, that could be considered 30 units. It is fuzzy, though, as you
indicate.

You could also include database objects as you suggest; reports and
subreports sound legitimate to me, but lines of code?

Just some thoughts. HTH.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 12:45:17 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:45:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access 2003 -- keeps crashing on import
References: <BAY102-F18AF0D092498C74DABBDFBE5CB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4434022D.7070803@shaw.ca>

It looks like you are running Office 2003 basic no SP's
WinXP SP2 installs a update to MDAC 2.8
Also check if running latest Jet SP 8

Try installing Office 2003 SP1
NOTE the SP2 removes ability to do automatic updating of linked Excel files
due to a patent restriction, so you may not want to install that version.

How to check the version of Office 2003 products
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/821549

Office 2003 Service Pack 1 download
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9C51D3A6-7CB1-4F61-837E-5F938254FC47&displaylang=en


Office 2003 SP1 fixes this which maybe your problem

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837003/
" When you use the Import Spreadsheet Wizard in Microsoft Access or the 
Import Text Wizard in Microsoft Access to import a Microsoft Excel file 
or a text file, you can modify the field information for only the first 
field that is on the fourth page of the Import Spreadsheet Wizard or the 
Import Text Wizard.ReasonThe problem is related to both the Import 
Spreadsheet Wizard and the Import Text Wizard.


Billy Pang wrote:

>Hello:
>
>I'm running MS Access 2003 on Windows XP SP2.
>
>When I try to import an Excel spreadsheet into an MS Access database, MS 
>Access crashes.  It doesn't matter whether destination database is in Access 
>2k or 2003 format.  The following information is found in the event log.
>
>Faulting application msaccess.exe, version 11.0.5614.0, stamp 3f3c8e3c, 
>faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, stamp 00000000, debug? 0, fault 
>address 0x00000000.
>
>I've tried searching the web for this error and found that some other people 
>also have the same problem (however not during an import but from other 
>tasks such as creating a new report or viewing a form).
>
>Can anyone shed some light on this situation?  Has this happened to anyone 
>else before?
>
>Many thanks in advance,
>
>Billy
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Apr  5 13:06:19 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:06:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A452D@aries.TexasSystems.local>


David, 

> I couldn't see any properties in SQL2000 in the view for indexing.  

SQL Server Books Online has a topic "Creating an Indexed View", that
covers how to create Indexed Views for SQL 2000. However, because the
problem view uses a TOP and an ORDER BY clause, it can't be indexed.

(As an aside, I don't recommend indexed views because their requirements
are so stringent. One big gotcha: all INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE
statements on tables referenced in the view must be executed with the
exact same SET options as are required for indexing the view. So if you
index a view, an application that doesn't use the exact SET options
CANNOT modify data on any tables referenced in that view.)

> The StatementNumber and InvNum fields in the underlying tables are
indexed ...

I don't think that underlying indexes will help much when joining
against aggregate queries. 

> In all other cases though the join is to a table, not another view ...


That may be a key, because SQL Server is likely using an index on the
table to speed the join with the view. In this problem case, an
aggregate view joined against an aggregate view may have to be resolved
using a Cartesian product, which is very expensive.

Others may have better insights to provide, but see BOL topic "Resolving
Indexes on Views", and judge for yourself.


Suggestion
----------

If joining tables to views gives good performance, duplicate that in
your procedure. Use a new SQL Server 2000 feature called Table
Variables. See "Table Variables" in BOL index.

Define a table variable at the start of your proc: 

DECLARE @temp_cust_stmt TABLE (
	CustomerID        Int,  -- (I'm guessing at datatypes)
	StatementNumber 	Int, 
	StatementDate	DateTime, 
	PRIMARY KEY 	(CustomerID, StatementNumber)
	)

(I'm guessing at the Fields and Primary Key; modify it if it doesn't
suit your data.)

Fill the table variable: 

INSERT INTO @temp_cust_stmt (CustomerID, StatementNumber, StatementDate)

SELECT DISTINCT CustomerID, StatementNumber, StatementDate
FROM 	dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet 

(This assumes there is only one StatementDate per StatementNumber)

Modify your FROM clause to join all views against your temp table: 

FROM  @temp_cust_stmt AS t INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet 
        ON t.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID AND
t.StatementDate = dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate 
        INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate ON t.CustomerID =
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo 
            AND t.StatementDate =
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate 
(etc.)

That way, you are joining all of your views against an indexed
(temporary) table. That might speed things up quite a bit. 

BTW, could you join vwAgedDebtorGet against StatementNumber instead of
StatementDate? If the data allows it, that might be a better join
candidate.

Hope this helps, 

-Ken


From robert at servicexp.com  Wed Apr  5 13:21:53 2006
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:21:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extracting Forms From mdb
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A452D@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <20060405182156.3BFC2C3DAC@mail01.powweb.com>


Hello,
 Is there anyway to extract forms and modules from a currupt mdb?

Robert



From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Apr  5 13:34:34 2006
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:34:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156A61@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Thanks for the reply!

If I were to use the CreateObject function, what would be the class name
that I would use?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment

Use late binding with CreateObject and maybe use a conditional compile 
around Early and Late binding.

or you could use this code to  force a reference function on immediate 
entry to the mdb if you are sure of the path.
and a similar delete of old reference.

The first of the following two functions adds a reference to the 
calendar control to the References collection.
The second function removes the reference to the calendar control.

Function AddReference() As Boolean
    Dim ref As Reference
    dim strFile As String

    On Error GoTo Error_AddReference
    strFile = "C:\Windows\System\Mscal.ocx"
    ' Create reference to calendar control.
    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFile)
    AddReference = True

Exit_AddReference:
    Exit Function

Error_AddReference:
    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    AddReference = False
    Resume Exit_AddReference
End Function

Function RemoveReference() As Boolean

    Dim ref As Reference

    On Error GoTo Error_RemoveReference
    Set ref = References!MSACAL
    ' Remove calendar control reference.
    References.Remove ref
    RemoveReference = True

Exit_RemoveReference:
    Exit Function

Error_RemoveReference:
    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    RemoveReference = False
    Resume Exit_RemoveReference
End Function




Function ReferenceFromFile(strFileName As String, _
              Optional Warning As Boolean) As Boolean
'ReferenceFromFile "c:\Windows\System\vbscript.dll\3" , True
' One caveat adding a reference this way forces a decompile
' so cannot be used in an MDE. At least not executed inside one to
' reset references.

    Dim ref As Access.Reference

    On Error GoTo Error_ReferenceFromFile
    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFileName)
    ReferenceFromFile = True

Exit_ReferenceFromFile:
    Exit Function

Error_ReferenceFromFile:
    If Warning = True Then VBA.MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    ReferenceFromFile = False
    Resume Exit_ReferenceFromFile
End Function
Joe Rojas wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I ran into a problem with installing Office 2003 Pro on my computer.
>I had created several databases with Access 2000, prior to my Office
>upgrade, which used the Outlook 9.0 (2000) object model. When I open
>these databases up, Access 2003 automatically changes the reference
from
>Outlook 9.0 to 11.0.
>When a user, using Office 2000, opens this database they have a missing
>reference!
>
>How do others on this list deal with this issue where you are using a
>newer version of Office to develop than the user's environment?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Rojas
>IT Manager
>TNCO, Inc.
>781-447-6661 x7506
>jrojas at tnco-inc.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 13:40:25 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:40:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <44340F19.80304@shaw.ca>

I used to explain this to clients via the fence post analogy for 
undiscovered problems.

 A man wanted to install a new fence, to keep his kids from wandering.
He would build the fence himself but to save time he would get a 
contractor to dig the post holes.
The contractor submitted a bid  for digging 10 post holes
but the man wanted it broken down to the unit cost of each post hole
and would pay accordingly. The contractor agreed.
On digging the tenth hole a huge boulder was encountered and the contractor
gave up, after realizing it would take several days to remove the boulder.
So the contractor submitted his bill for 9 post holes, leaving the man
to find a way of removing the boulder.

Just remember that 90% of the job was completed easily but the final 10% 
was going to be a real bear.

Here is a quote from Rebbeca Riordan a longtime Access Developer
"And the number of objects absolutely comes into the estimate for the
fixed-price component.  What I used to do when I was churning out systems
full-time was start with a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
good at reports <g>).  Nothing for tables, since I do the schema as part of
the analysis.  Then to that base, I'd add a modifier -- this is a really
simple form, so figure .04; that's a difficult report, so 1.5, and so 
forth.
Then there's documentation -- if they want user docs, I figure 150% of the
development time.  Clients _hate_ that, but documentation is 
time-consuming,
and ultimately, even if you're working fixed-price, you calculate based on
an hourly rate.  I won't do hands-on training, so I can't speak to that, 
but
I if they want a training guide, it's the same price as the user manual. "

Good bock on the subject
Rapid Development : Taming Wild Software Schedules
by Steve C McConnell

PS. I knew one British Access Developer who used to estimate
by the simple means of 5 pounds per field on a form and used to
come quite close to the actual cost. But then he had a large toolbox
of previously written code.



Barbara Ryan wrote:

>I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database object, lines of code, etc.).
>
>The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.
>
>Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>
>Thanks,
>Barb Ryan
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  5 13:56:47 2006
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:56:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access 2003 -- keeps crashing on import
In-Reply-To: <4434022D.7070803@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F998D95B79A7FA2D38B7F7E5CB0@phx.gbl>

Eureka!  Thanks Marty.  I think the problem is MS Access 2k3 running without 
any SPs.  This threw me off because I had MS Office 2003 Standard SP2 
installed (MS Access 2k3 was installed separately a few weeks apart than MS 
Office 2003); I was working in Excel so when I looked under Excel's Program 
Info and saw SP2, I assumed it was likewise for Access.  I was going to 
reinstall MDAC2.8 but saw that it doesn't touch Jet anymore.  Anyhow I am 
going to try reapply Office 2k3 SP2.  Hope that things will go smoothly.  
Thanks again for the insight! Billy


>From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS Access 2003 -- keeps crashing on import
>Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:45:17 -0700
>
>It looks like you are running Office 2003 basic no SP's
>WinXP SP2 installs a update to MDAC 2.8
>Also check if running latest Jet SP 8
>
>Try installing Office 2003 SP1
>NOTE the SP2 removes ability to do automatic updating of linked Excel files
>due to a patent restriction, so you may not want to install that version.
>
>How to check the version of Office 2003 products
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/821549
>
>Office 2003 Service Pack 1 download
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9C51D3A6-7CB1-4F61-837E-5F938254FC47&displaylang=en
>
>
>Office 2003 SP1 fixes this which maybe your problem
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837003/
>" When you use the Import Spreadsheet Wizard in Microsoft Access or the
>Import Text Wizard in Microsoft Access to import a Microsoft Excel file
>or a text file, you can modify the field information for only the first
>field that is on the fourth page of the Import Spreadsheet Wizard or the
>Import Text Wizard.ReasonThe problem is related to both the Import
>Spreadsheet Wizard and the Import Text Wizard.
>
>
>Billy Pang wrote:
>
> >Hello:
> >
> >I'm running MS Access 2003 on Windows XP SP2.
> >
> >When I try to import an Excel spreadsheet into an MS Access database, MS
> >Access crashes.  It doesn't matter whether destination database is in 
>Access
> >2k or 2003 format.  The following information is found in the event log.
> >
> >Faulting application msaccess.exe, version 11.0.5614.0, stamp 3f3c8e3c,
> >faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, stamp 00000000, debug? 0, fault
> >address 0x00000000.
> >
> >I've tried searching the web for this error and found that some other 
>people
> >also have the same problem (however not during an import but from other
> >tasks such as creating a new report or viewing a form).
> >
> >Can anyone shed some light on this situation?  Has this happened to 
>anyone
> >else before?
> >
> >Many thanks in advance,
> >
> >Billy
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>
>
>--
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 14:00:55 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:00:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
References: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156A61@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <443413E7.3060603@shaw.ca>

  dim outobj as Object
  Set outobj = CreateObject("outlook.application")
or
 try specifying actual object version in your Get/CreateObject calls

Set outobj = CreateObject
("Outlook.Application.9") 'For Outlook 2000
Set outobj = CreateObject
("Outlook.Application.11") 'For Outlook 2003


'you might want to use this type of code
'to check if outlook already running
and whether you close it.
Dim objOl as object
On Error Resume Next
blnOlRunning = True
Set objOl = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application")
   If Err <> 0 Then 'Not running
      Set objOl = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
      blnOlRunning = True
      Err.Clear
   End If
On Error GoTo 0
'------blah blah

   If blnOlRunning = True Then
      ' display the new item
      objItem.Display
   Else
      objOl.Quit
   End If



Joe Rojas wrote:

>Thanks for the reply!
>
>If I were to use the CreateObject function, what would be the class name
>that I would use?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Rojas
>IT Manager
>TNCO, Inc.
>781-447-6661 x7506
>jrojas at tnco-inc.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:36 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
>
>Use late binding with CreateObject and maybe use a conditional compile 
>around Early and Late binding.
>
>or you could use this code to  force a reference function on immediate 
>entry to the mdb if you are sure of the path.
>and a similar delete of old reference.
>
>The first of the following two functions adds a reference to the 
>calendar control to the References collection.
>The second function removes the reference to the calendar control.
>
>Function AddReference() As Boolean
>    Dim ref As Reference
>    dim strFile As String
>
>    On Error GoTo Error_AddReference
>    strFile = "C:\Windows\System\Mscal.ocx"
>    ' Create reference to calendar control.
>    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFile)
>    AddReference = True
>
>Exit_AddReference:
>    Exit Function
>
>Error_AddReference:
>    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
>    AddReference = False
>    Resume Exit_AddReference
>End Function
>
>Function RemoveReference() As Boolean
>
>    Dim ref As Reference
>
>    On Error GoTo Error_RemoveReference
>    Set ref = References!MSACAL
>    ' Remove calendar control reference.
>    References.Remove ref
>    RemoveReference = True
>
>Exit_RemoveReference:
>    Exit Function
>
>Error_RemoveReference:
>    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
>    RemoveReference = False
>    Resume Exit_RemoveReference
>End Function
>
>
>
>
>Function ReferenceFromFile(strFileName As String, _
>              Optional Warning As Boolean) As Boolean
>'ReferenceFromFile "c:\Windows\System\vbscript.dll\3" , True
>' One caveat adding a reference this way forces a decompile
>' so cannot be used in an MDE. At least not executed inside one to
>' reset references.
>
>    Dim ref As Access.Reference
>
>    On Error GoTo Error_ReferenceFromFile
>    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFileName)
>    ReferenceFromFile = True
>
>Exit_ReferenceFromFile:
>    Exit Function
>
>Error_ReferenceFromFile:
>    If Warning = True Then VBA.MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
>    ReferenceFromFile = False
>    Resume Exit_ReferenceFromFile
>End Function
>Joe Rojas wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I ran into a problem with installing Office 2003 Pro on my computer.
>>I had created several databases with Access 2000, prior to my Office
>>upgrade, which used the Outlook 9.0 (2000) object model. When I open
>>these databases up, Access 2003 automatically changes the reference
>>    
>>
>from
>  
>
>>Outlook 9.0 to 11.0.
>>When a user, using Office 2000, opens this database they have a missing
>>reference!
>>
>>How do others on this list deal with this issue where you are using a
>>newer version of Office to develop than the user's environment?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Joe Rojas
>>IT Manager
>>TNCO, Inc.
>>781-447-6661 x7506
>>jrojas at tnco-inc.com
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Apr  5 14:05:48 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:05:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extracting Forms From mdb
In-Reply-To: <20060405182156.3BFC2C3DAC@mail01.powweb.com>
References: <20060405182156.3BFC2C3DAC@mail01.powweb.com>
Message-ID: <4434150C.8030208@san.rr.com>

Import probably won't work but you could try it.  Have you tried decompile?

Rocky


Robert wrote:
> Hello,
>  Is there anyway to extract forms and modules from a currupt mdb?
>
> Robert
>
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Apr  5 15:27:08 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 00:27:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop> <44340F19.80304@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <009601c658ef$5ee63110$6501a8c0@Nant>

Marty, it's  a great simple story about the fence building - I will borrow 
it from you to tell to my customers - OK? :)

>  a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
> good at reports <g>).
I'd roughly estimate 4 (four) days per form with "smart" user-friendly 
behavior or report whatever it's  in the final system when a lot of advanced 
queries and coding is involved and when customer's requirements and 
understanding of their own business area and what they wanted to get from an 
application developed for them are unclear to say the least (and even if 
they have huge BDUF specs this often isn't a sign they know their own 
business and what they wanted you to have developed for them in the end).

I mean if the final system is roughly planned to have, say, 100 forms and 
reports then its development(all the objects including database model, 
documentation etc.) can be roughly estimated as 400 man/days ~= 17man/months 
(22.5 workdays/month). Based on that rough estimation fixed cost can be 
calculated.
If they(customer(s)) are ready to pay that in the end - fine - prepare more 
detailed plan and start working delivering regularly parts of the 
application. If you'll be ready quicker - get a bonus and leave them the 
rest of the fixed price. If you will (soon) find that even that time isn't 
enough to deliver what they are now see absolutely different than in the 
beginning - explain them what happens, trade the new fixed price - if they 
agree - continue, if not - quit - it promise to be "endless" story for you 
and for the customer, which will end sooner or later without any 
satisfaction nor on your nor on their part...

Of course working on hourly rate as many say here is more realistic approach 
but 4 days per form/report for advanced applications seems to work rather 
well - just from real life experience...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


>I used to explain this to clients via the fence post analogy for
> undiscovered problems.
>
> A man wanted to install a new fence, to keep his kids from wandering.
> He would build the fence himself but to save time he would get a
> contractor to dig the post holes.
> The contractor submitted a bid  for digging 10 post holes
> but the man wanted it broken down to the unit cost of each post hole
> and would pay accordingly. The contractor agreed.
> On digging the tenth hole a huge boulder was encountered and the 
> contractor
> gave up, after realizing it would take several days to remove the boulder.
> So the contractor submitted his bill for 9 post holes, leaving the man
> to find a way of removing the boulder.
>
> Just remember that 90% of the job was completed easily but the final 10%
> was going to be a real bear.
>
> Here is a quote from Rebbeca Riordan a longtime Access Developer
> "And the number of objects absolutely comes into the estimate for the
> fixed-price component.  What I used to do when I was churning out systems
> full-time was start with a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
> good at reports <g>).  Nothing for tables, since I do the schema as part 
> of
> the analysis.  Then to that base, I'd add a modifier -- this is a really
> simple form, so figure .04; that's a difficult report, so 1.5, and so
> forth.
> Then there's documentation -- if they want user docs, I figure 150% of the
> development time.  Clients _hate_ that, but documentation is
> time-consuming,
> and ultimately, even if you're working fixed-price, you calculate based on
> an hourly rate.  I won't do hands-on training, so I can't speak to that,
> but
> I if they want a training guide, it's the same price as the user manual. "
>
> Good bock on the subject
> Rapid Development : Taming Wild Software Schedules
> by Steve C McConnell
>
> PS. I knew one British Access Developer who used to estimate
> by the simple means of 5 pounds per field on a form and used to
> come quite close to the actual cost. But then he had a large toolbox
> of previously written code.
>
>
>
> Barbara Ryan wrote:
>
>>I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client 
>>has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, 
>>although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database 
>>object, lines of code, etc.).
>>
>>The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., 
>>some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, 
>>and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA 
>>code.
>>
>>Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your 
>>opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Barb Ryan
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 15:53:41 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:53:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop> <44340F19.80304@shaw.ca>
	<009601c658ef$5ee63110$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <44342E55.1010700@shaw.ca>

I pre-stole it from a prof at University of Victoria. He was teaching 
Project Management
after retiring as a Project Engineer at Boeing. He worked on the 747 
Aircraft line.
It was good to be taught by a guy who had done it for real for 30 years.

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>Marty, it's  a great simple story about the fence building - I will borrow 
>it from you to tell to my customers - OK? :)
>
>  
>
>> a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
>>good at reports <g>).
>>    
>>
>I'd roughly estimate 4 (four) days per form with "smart" user-friendly 
>behavior or report whatever it's  in the final system when a lot of advanced 
>queries and coding is involved and when customer's requirements and 
>understanding of their own business area and what they wanted to get from an 
>application developed for them are unclear to say the least (and even if 
>they have huge BDUF specs this often isn't a sign they know their own 
>business and what they wanted you to have developed for them in the end).
>
>I mean if the final system is roughly planned to have, say, 100 forms and 
>reports then its development(all the objects including database model, 
>documentation etc.) can be roughly estimated as 400 man/days ~= 17man/months 
>(22.5 workdays/month). Based on that rough estimation fixed cost can be 
>calculated.
>If they(customer(s)) are ready to pay that in the end - fine - prepare more 
>detailed plan and start working delivering regularly parts of the 
>application. If you'll be ready quicker - get a bonus and leave them the 
>rest of the fixed price. If you will (soon) find that even that time isn't 
>enough to deliver what they are now see absolutely different than in the 
>beginning - explain them what happens, trade the new fixed price - if they 
>agree - continue, if not - quit - it promise to be "endless" story for you 
>and for the customer, which will end sooner or later without any 
>satisfaction nor on your nor on their part...
>
>Of course working on hourly rate as many say here is more realistic approach 
>but 4 days per form/report for advanced applications seems to work rather 
>well - just from real life experience...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>  
>
>>I used to explain this to clients via the fence post analogy for
>>undiscovered problems.
>>
>>A man wanted to install a new fence, to keep his kids from wandering.
>>He would build the fence himself but to save time he would get a
>>contractor to dig the post holes.
>>The contractor submitted a bid  for digging 10 post holes
>>but the man wanted it broken down to the unit cost of each post hole
>>and would pay accordingly. The contractor agreed.
>>On digging the tenth hole a huge boulder was encountered and the 
>>contractor
>>gave up, after realizing it would take several days to remove the boulder.
>>So the contractor submitted his bill for 9 post holes, leaving the man
>>to find a way of removing the boulder.
>>
>>Just remember that 90% of the job was completed easily but the final 10%
>>was going to be a real bear.
>>
>>Here is a quote from Rebbeca Riordan a longtime Access Developer
>>"And the number of objects absolutely comes into the estimate for the
>>fixed-price component.  What I used to do when I was churning out systems
>>full-time was start with a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
>>good at reports <g>).  Nothing for tables, since I do the schema as part 
>>of
>>the analysis.  Then to that base, I'd add a modifier -- this is a really
>>simple form, so figure .04; that's a difficult report, so 1.5, and so
>>forth.
>>Then there's documentation -- if they want user docs, I figure 150% of the
>>development time.  Clients _hate_ that, but documentation is
>>time-consuming,
>>and ultimately, even if you're working fixed-price, you calculate based on
>>an hourly rate.  I won't do hands-on training, so I can't speak to that,
>>but
>>I if they want a training guide, it's the same price as the user manual. "
>>
>>Good bock on the subject
>>Rapid Development : Taming Wild Software Schedules
>>by Steve C McConnell
>>
>>PS. I knew one British Access Developer who used to estimate
>>by the simple means of 5 pounds per field on a form and used to
>>come quite close to the actual cost. But then he had a large toolbox
>>of previously written code.
>>
>>
>>
>>Barbara Ryan wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client 
>>>has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, 
>>>although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database 
>>>object, lines of code, etc.).
>>>
>>>The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., 
>>>some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, 
>>>and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA 
>>>code.
>>>
>>>Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your 
>>>opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Barb Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>Marty Connelly
>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr  5 16:17:18 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:17:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <893161.1144253877222.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000001c658f6$525b92d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Barb,

I'd have a talk with your client and thoroughly discuss the decisions that
he wants to make with the 'unit cost' number.  I'll bet that he really needs
something other than 'unit cost'.

Best of Luck,
Dan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:11 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client
has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application,
although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database object,
lines of code, etc.).

The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some
reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or
output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.

Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion,
what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Wed Apr  5 16:39:22 2006
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:39:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <000001c658f6$525b92d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00d101c658f9$675284c0$0b00a8c0@desktop>

Thanks for all of your suggestions!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Barb,
>
> I'd have a talk with your client and thoroughly discuss the decisions that
> he wants to make with the 'unit cost' number.  I'll bet that he really
needs
> something other than 'unit cost'.
>
> Best of Luck,
> Dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:11 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
> I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client
> has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application,
> although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database
object,
> lines of code, etc.).
>
> The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g.,
some
> reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or
> output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.
>
> Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your
opinion,
> what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From tom.p at piedpiper.com.au  Thu Apr  6 03:04:36 2006
From: tom.p at piedpiper.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:04:36 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC Has anyone had any experience with PPML
References: <000001c658f6$525b92d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00d101c658f9$675284c0$0b00a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <02ed01c65950$bf60b680$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>

Hi  all....

Have any of you had any experience with using PPML which is.....

"PPML, personalized print markup language, is a widely supported, XML-based 
industry standard print language developed by PODi. PPML is an open, 
interoperable, device-independent standard that enables the widespread use 
of personalized print applications in high volumes."

As many of you may know I have been developing and using a database 
application for many years now based in Access that could take advantage of 
the above language..... There is however a flaw in my plan..... I know 
nothing about PPML.

My application has always used the standard Access reports to produce 
printer output but I am reaching the limit of quality and efficiency with 
this method and need to change.

It occurs to me that I could actually store XML templates for my print files 
in an Access memo field and simply export them as required. The practice may 
however may be different.

TIA

Tom Keatley



 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  6 06:29:01 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:29:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting old dates
Message-ID: <s43517bc.069@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Are you aware that old dates - those with negative value, prior to 1899-12-30 - do not sort correctly if they contain a time part?
You may never need it but if you do, the usual method is to use Format:

  SortDate = Format([DateField], "yyyymmddhhnnss")

and sort on that, but it is slow. 
Another and faster method is this:

  SELECT 
    * 
  FROM 
    tblDates
  ORDER BY 
    Fix([DateField]), 
    Abs([DateField]);

Fix takes care of keeping the dates in correct sequence (Int can not be used!) while Abs for a given date allows to sort the timepart correctly.

/gustav



From darrend at nimble.com.au  Thu Apr  6 07:35:18 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:35:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
Message-ID: <20060406123608.ZQNM24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi All
In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection
This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
 
I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line
for starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that requires

someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
 
I have seen apps use the connection to 'just dial' with no user intervention
Such as Virus Updaters etc
 
Anyone know the command line or the relevant exe?
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  6 07:51:19 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:51:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
Message-ID: <s4352af4.074@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

I have no dial-up connection at hand, but can't you just check if some URL exists?

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long

Public Function IsURL(ByVal strURL As String) As Boolean

' Usage: Check if URL strURL is alive and reachable.
'   booURL = IsURL("http://www.ibm.com")
'   booURL = IsURL("ftp://ftp.novell.com")
'
' Note: Protocol header like "http://" must be provided.
'
' 2001-12-09. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' File found at most URLs.
  Const cstrFileIndex As String = "index.htm"

  IsURL = (URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL, cstrFileIndex, 0, 0) = 0)
  
End Function

/gustav

>>> darrend at nimble.com.au 06-04-2006 14:35:18 >>>
Hi All
In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection
This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
 
I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line
for starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that requires

someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
 
I have seen apps use the connection to 'just dial' with no user intervention
Such as Virus Updaters etc
 
Anyone know the command line or the relevant exe?
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr  6 07:54:14 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:54:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
In-Reply-To: <20060406123608.ZQNM24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <44359C16.22673.AE007E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Apr 2006 at 22:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi All
> In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection
> This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
> 
> I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line
> for starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that
> requires
> 
> someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
> 

Simplest way is to Shell out to Rasdial.exe
Shell("Rasdial ConnectionName UserName Password")
to disconnect
Shell("Rasdial ConnectionName /Disconnect")


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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Thu Apr  6 08:12:42 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:12:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
In-Reply-To: <s4352af4.074@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20060406131345.HUW24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi Gustav
I don't want to check if there is a connection
I just want to dial a connection with no user intervention
Stuart from PNG had the solution
Many thanks for the response 


Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 10:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection

Hi Darren

I have no dial-up connection at hand, but can't you just check if some URL
exists?

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias
"URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long

Public Function IsURL(ByVal strURL As String) As Boolean

' Usage: Check if URL strURL is alive and reachable.
'   booURL = IsURL("http://www.ibm.com")
'   booURL = IsURL("ftp://ftp.novell.com")
'
' Note: Protocol header like "http://" must be provided.
'
' 2001-12-09. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' File found at most URLs.
  Const cstrFileIndex As String = "index.htm"

  IsURL = (URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL, cstrFileIndex, 0, 0) = 0)
  
End Function

/gustav

>>> darrend at nimble.com.au 06-04-2006 14:35:18 >>>
Hi All
In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection This
if for my personal machine - using dial up only
 
I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line for starting the
default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that requires

someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
 
I have seen apps use the connection to 'just dial' with no user intervention
Such as Virus Updaters etc
 
Anyone know the command line or the relevant exe?
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren

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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Thu Apr  6 08:12:42 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:12:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
In-Reply-To: <44359C16.22673.AE007E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20060406131409.HYJ24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Stuart - Perfect
Many thanks
 


Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 10:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection

On 6 Apr 2006 at 22:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi All
> In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up 
> connection This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
> 
> I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line for 
> starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that 
> requires
> 
> someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
> 

Simplest way is to Shell out to Rasdial.exe Shell("Rasdial ConnectionName
UserName Password") to disconnect Shell("Rasdial ConnectionName /Disconnect")


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Apr  6 09:24:38 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:24:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6CF2@main2.marlow.com>

If memory serves correctly, there should be a rasdial.exe you can use.  You
may have to find it.  Something like rasdial "NameOfYourDialupConnection"

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection

Hi All
In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection
This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
 
I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line
for starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that
requires

someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
 
I have seen apps use the connection to 'just dial' with no user intervention
Such as Virus Updaters etc
 
Anyone know the command line or the relevant exe?
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Apr  6 11:09:05 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:09:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D351F4@ADGSERVER>

Hey,

I have the following:

wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
ID 		- autonumber/primary key
FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
ColWidth	- double/not indexed
ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)


Still here?  Good.

My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
there's only one in this example.

Here is the query:
INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting this
error:

error 3022
'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.
Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove
the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again.'

If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on the
datasheet button, I get this error message:
"Circular reference caused by alias 'FieldID' in query definition's SELECT
list."

If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
could not update because of key violations.

I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as to
why I am having this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby





From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Apr  6 12:08:05 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:08:05 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AB76@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Very odd, and I can't explain it. But that never stopped me before. :-)

First I'd get rid of the Ordered By clause. It makes no sense to sort
records while you are appending them to a table, because the order of
records in a table is simple not defined. All sorting should be done by
queries when you select data to view it.

Second, the only thing I can think of is to explicitly identify the source
table of the ID field in the WHERE cause. So try this SQL instead...

INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE wrkSearchSelected.ID IN (11) ;

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...


Hey,

I have the following:

wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
ID 		- autonumber/primary key
FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
ColWidth	- double/not indexed
ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)


Still here?  Good.

My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
there's only one in this example.

Here is the query:
INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting this
error:

error 3022
'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.
Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove
the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again.'

If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on the
datasheet button, I get this error message: "Circular reference caused by
alias 'FieldID' in query definition's SELECT list."

If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
could not update because of key violations.

I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as to
why I am having this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby



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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr  6 12:29:54 2006
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:29:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A05A81D47@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Bobby,

I'm nothing like an expert with SQL, so I probably shouldn't even hazard
a guess here, but I notice that you haven't explicitly stated the fields
being updated in the target table.  Assuming that this is generally
acceptable syntax, and that there's not some default behavior that
attempts to match data by field names (like I said, I'm no expert), your
query may be trying to push into the primary key field of the target
table the first field of the recordset returned by the select clause.
Since that field may contain duplicates, you'd get a key violation upon
execution when the first duplicate is encountered.

I'd try specifying the fields to insert into for the target table:

INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable (FieldID, FieldDescr, DBField,
UnionField, ColWidth, ColVisible, UserID)
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

Hope this helps . . .

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...

Hey,

I have the following:

wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
ID 		- autonumber/primary key
FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
ColWidth	- double/not indexed
ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)


Still here?  Good.

My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
there's only one in this example.

Here is the query:
INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting
this
error:

error 3022
'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or
relationship.
Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data,
remove
the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try
again.'

If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on
the
datasheet button, I get this error message:
"Circular reference caused by alias 'FieldID' in query definition's
SELECT
list."

If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
could not update because of key violations.

I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as
to
why I am having this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby



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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Thu Apr  6 12:39:24 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:39:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A47CC@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Bobby, 

Test by destruction. Remove all relationships defined between the to
tables, and test. If that isn't the problem, drop the primary index on
wrkSearchAvailable, and run the query again. If that doesn't make the
problem go away, drop another index, and try again. If no joy, remove
all required field settings, and retry. If that still doesn't work, drop
fields one by one and retry.

The last thing you removed before the errors stopped is the thing that
is causing the problem. Examine it more closely, and the solution will
become apparent.

-Ken

PS. It looks like you only need an autonumber ID on wrkSearchSelected.
wrkSearchAvailable should have a plain Long datatype (no autonumber) for
the ID field so it can properly reference the original record in
wrkSearchSelected. Hmm... Why do you need any fields in
wrkSearchAvailable other than ID? It doesn't look like any of the fields
copied to wrkSearchAvailable have data that should be changed, so why
not just refer to them in wrkSearchSelected?


From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Apr  6 12:42:18 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:42:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625406@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

You are right.  I was thinking from my mainframe days that the orderby
needed to specify noprint.... showing my age.  He does have to declare,
in order, where the fields are coming from, and then in order, where to
populate the fields.  It is easier to build the query in access and then
view the SQL to get the syntax down correctly (cheat). 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mcgillivray,
Don [IT]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...

Bobby,

I'm nothing like an expert with SQL, so I probably shouldn't even hazard
a guess here, but I notice that you haven't explicitly stated the fields
being updated in the target table.  Assuming that this is generally
acceptable syntax, and that there's not some default behavior that
attempts to match data by field names (like I said, I'm no expert), your
query may be trying to push into the primary key field of the target
table the first field of the recordset returned by the select clause.
Since that field may contain duplicates, you'd get a key violation upon
execution when the first duplicate is encountered.

I'd try specifying the fields to insert into for the target table:

INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable (FieldID, FieldDescr, DBField,
UnionField, ColWidth, ColVisible, UserID)
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

Hope this helps . . .

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...

Hey,

I have the following:

wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
ID 		- autonumber/primary key
FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
ColWidth	- double/not indexed
ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)


Still here?  Good.

My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
there's only one in this example.

Here is the query:
INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting
this
error:

error 3022
'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or
relationship.
Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data,
remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and
try again.'

If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on
the datasheet button, I get this error message:
"Circular reference caused by alias 'FieldID' in query definition's
SELECT list."

If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
could not update because of key violations.

I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as
to why I am having this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby



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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  6 13:16:48 2006
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:16:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D351F4@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F39F7DABC59F6B302983259E5C80@phx.gbl>

this is a shot in the dark but maybe because destination columns are not 
defined in the insert statement, values are being inserted into autonumber 
field thereby producnig duplicate pk values.  perhaps defining destination 
columns may get rid of the error message.. that is,

INSERT INTO 
wrkSearchAvailable(FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth,ColVisible,UserID)
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected
	      WHERE ID IN (11)
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

HTH
Billy


>From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:09:05 -0400
>
>Hey,
>
>I have the following:
>
>wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
>ID 		- autonumber/primary key
>FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
>FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
>DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
>UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
>ColWidth	- double/not indexed
>ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
>UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)
>
>
>Still here?  Good.
>
>My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
>there's only one in this example.
>
>Here is the query:
>INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable
>	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
>		ColVisible,UserID
>	   FROM wrkSearchSelected
>	      WHERE ID IN (11)
>		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;
>
>This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
>wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting this
>error:
>
>error 3022
>'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
>would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.
>Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove
>the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try 
>again.'
>
>If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on the
>datasheet button, I get this error message:
>"Circular reference caused by alias 'FieldID' in query definition's SELECT
>list."
>
>If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
>could not update because of key violations.
>
>I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as to
>why I am having this issue?
>
>Thanks,
>Bobby
>
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  6 13:55:51 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:55:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC Has anyone had any experience with PPML
References: <000001c658f6$525b92d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00d101c658f9$675284c0$0b00a8c0@desktop>
	<02ed01c65950$bf60b680$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>
Message-ID: <44356437.5030000@shaw.ca>

Never used it, only heard of it. There should be a list of PPML
XML tags on here.

http://www.podi.org/home.php

Tom Keatley wrote:

>Hi  all....
>
>Have any of you had any experience with using PPML which is.....
>
>"PPML, personalized print markup language, is a widely supported, XML-based 
>industry standard print language developed by PODi. PPML is an open, 
>interoperable, device-independent standard that enables the widespread use 
>of personalized print applications in high volumes."
>
>As many of you may know I have been developing and using a database 
>application for many years now based in Access that could take advantage of 
>the above language..... There is however a flaw in my plan..... I know 
>nothing about PPML.
>
>My application has always used the standard Access reports to produce 
>printer output but I am reaching the limit of quality and efficiency with 
>this method and need to change.
>
>It occurs to me that I could actually store XML templates for my print files 
>in an Access memo field and simply export them as required. The practice may 
>however may be different.
>
>TIA
>
>Tom Keatley
>
>
>
> 
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  6 15:45:51 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:45:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AB76@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F45D506FF22190237B75E1D2C80@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I'm using A97 to pull from an Informix db over ODBC.  The field I'm dealing 
with stores credit card information.  The problem is it comes in Scientific 
notation...if I try to pull as fixed...it works except for the 16 digit card 
numbers...it rounds the last 2 digits up or down?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark




From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr  6 16:04:09 2006
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:04:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A05A8221B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

You probably need to pull the data as "Text" instead of "Fixed".  Not
only is it rounding, but any leading zeros are being ignored.  (Don't
know if that's an issue with CC numbers, but for US postal codes it
definitely is.)

HTH

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format

Hello All,

I'm using A97 to pull from an Informix db over ODBC.  The field I'm
dealing 
with stores credit card information.  The problem is it comes in
Scientific 
notation...if I try to pull as fixed...it works except for the 16 digit
card 
numbers...it rounds the last 2 digits up or down?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Apr  6 16:07:19 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:07:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C644@dewey.Symphony.local>

Does it help to treat it as text?


Thanks,

Liz 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 4:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format

Hello All,

I'm using A97 to pull from an Informix db over ODBC.  The field I'm
dealing with stores credit card information.  The problem is it comes in
Scientific notation...if I try to pull as fixed...it works except for
the 16 digit card numbers...it rounds the last 2 digits up or down?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  6 17:01:20 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:01:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format
References: <BAY114-F45D506FF22190237B75E1D2C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44358FB0.5050205@shaw.ca>

Thumbscrews on the Informix DBA. A CC number is a string of digits not a 
mathematical entity.

As soon as you move into a double it will truncate and round.
and a double can only have 15 significant digits due to the fixed size 
of  the mantissa and exponent.
If you can find out the data type on the Informix side that might help, 
maybe you can force into a Currency
datatype that allows 19 significant digits or even a Decimal datatype 
declared as a Variant subtype.
If not read into a 4 byte text string and do a lot of bit twiddling.

Mark A Matte wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>I'm using A97 to pull from an Informix db over ODBC.  The field I'm dealing 
>with stores credit card information.  The problem is it comes in Scientific 
>notation...if I try to pull as fixed...it works except for the 16 digit card 
>numbers...it rounds the last 2 digits up or down?
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
>  
>

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Canada





From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Thu Apr  6 18:09:48 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:09:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
Message-ID: <000f01c659cf$3421cad0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that a 
demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the CD 
without installing anything on the user's computer?

The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the C:\ 
drive.

And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on their 
computer or even Access 2003?

Thank you,

Penn 



From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Thu Apr  6 18:18:46 2006
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:18:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone on list in LA area?
Message-ID: <002501c659d0$749c0750$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>

I need to pass on a job due to health reasons. Any one in
the LA area and has time to pick up some work?

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net

 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  6 18:30:48 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:30:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A2A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I don't think you can do this, but I haven't worked with the runtime in
2003, only in those up through 2002.  Runtimes are installed to the
directory you specify and they don't get put in the same location as the
access executable.  You have to specify the full path to the runtime
msaccess.exe when you open the database, so you could try pointing at
the CD, but the install sets up connections in the registry that
wouldn't be there under those circumstances. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Penn White
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?

Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that
a demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from
the CD without installing anything on the user's computer?

The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the
C:\ drive.

And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on
their computer or even Access 2003?

Thank you,

Penn 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Apr  6 18:26:17 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:26:17 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6D62@main2.marlow.com>

An installation goes to the OS, and whatever drive it's on.  If you
installed software to a CD, the OS would have to read .dll's from that CD,
which would be pretty slow.  And, that CD wouldn't 'work' on another
machine, because that machine's registry wouldn't have the proper settings.
(When you install software, only certain things go where you say you want it
installed.  A lot of things are done in the registry and go automatically
into the Windows/winnt and system32 folder).

Your best option would be to put the application on CD, along with the
runtime installation.  If the people you are demoing it too have Access
2003, then they can just run your demo database.  If they don't have Access,
then they install the runtime first, then run your demo.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?

Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that a 
demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the CD 
without installing anything on the user's computer?

The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the C:\ 
drive.

And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on their 
computer or even Access 2003?

Thank you,

Penn 

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Apr  6 23:11:48 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:11:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6D62@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.)
This same question probably also extends to font (client A likes Arial,
client B likes Times Roman). Can this be done? Or must I continue with this
inane form-by-form selection and resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur



From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu Apr  6 23:38:45 2006
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:38:45 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
References: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c659fd$280f09f0$0501a8c0@studio2>

hi group,
A lot of my files have been inflected by he known kamasutra virus,
so when I am trying to open all my office files it's only shows
ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
please SOS.... is there anybody knows if it's posseble and how to get the 
data back?

is there a repair utility anywhere?

I have try all the known unrecovery products

thank's in advance
kostas \



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Apr  6 23:39:47 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:39:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re:  [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]]
Message-ID: <4435ED13.9030705@san.rr.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]
Date: 	Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:22:26 -0700
From: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: 	Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
References: 	<4431457F.1090400 at san.rr.com> <44318727.4040100 at shaw.ca>



Marty:

Thanks for all that.  The guy I'm working with is in Bangalore.  His 
problem site is, I think, in Hyderabad.  And in Hyderabad, they don't 
have broadband.  So I can't send him anything there but short emails.  
So it will take a while for this to unfold.  I'll be a dollar it's a DLL 
problem.  Maybe a reference issue which your code will uncover.  It's at 
least Access 2000.  That's not a 'lower level of Access' is it?

I'll let you know if something interesting turns up.

Best,

Rocky


MartyConnelly wrote:
> You might get this with ArcInfo as it uses Access as one of its data 
> engines,
> so you might get a bum DAO reference on an install, don't know about AutoCAD
> AutoCAD might also might forece an install of an old common control.
>
> This might help
>
> Stick this code in an mde and run on the odd machine.
> It will printout the possible reference differences (version number, 
> path and name).
> Or rewrite this inorder to dump to a text file like
> 'kill file as necessary
> Open c:\temp\outputref.txt For Output As #1
>      Print #1, ReferencePropertiesList
>      Close #1
> Run it from autoexec macro, code should be fully disambiguated to avoid 
> any initial reference check
> before running. ie VBA.MsgBox, Access.Reference and VBA.Len, VarPtr 
> might not be available in lower versions of Access
> might be a replacement on www.mvps.org/access
>
>
>   



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 01:04:59 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:04:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c65a09$34a1eaf0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From viner at EUnet.yu  Fri Apr  7 01:34:26 2006
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:34:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on Report based
	on dynamic crosstab query
Message-ID: <002201c65a0d$6aa91b60$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

<Cross posted AccessD Access-L >   
Hi,
I have a report which have crosstab query with dynamic column names for recordsource. So I have to assign the control source for the text boxes on the fly. Something like:
Dim rst As Recordset
    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT * FROM  qryCroRealPrPred")
    Me.txtBox1 =  "=" & db.QueryDefs("qryCroRealPrPred").Fields(1).Name & ")"

Where should I put these lines? Or how to recalculate(evaluate) these text boxes(have no succeed with Eval function), because if I put these lines in the Detail Format/Print the text boxes contains only the field names(strings) not the values of the fields(numbers).
Many TIA's
    Ervin

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 02:37:10 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:37:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
References: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>
	<003d01c659fd$280f09f0$0501a8c0@studio2>
Message-ID: <443616A6.8090804@shaw.ca>

There is a removal tool but don't know if you will recover files, virus 
affects files on disks
with a letter greater than C:
Read thourghly first, it is an involved procedure

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal.e at mm.html
Tool

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal at mm.removal.tool.html

Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

>hi group,
>A lot of my files have been inflected by he known kamasutra virus,
>so when I am trying to open all my office files it's only shows
>ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
>please SOS.... is there anybody knows if it's posseble and how to get the 
>data back?
>
>is there a repair utility anywhere?
>
>I have try all the known unrecovery products
>
>thank's in advance
>kostas \
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From kost36 at otenet.gr  Fri Apr  7 03:37:33 2006
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:37:33 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
References: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com><003d01c659fd$280f09f0$0501a8c0@studio2>
	<443616A6.8090804@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001401c65a1e$84790440$0501a8c0@studio2>

I really did it Marty
but the only it does is to stop the virus...
it can't repair the infected files and it doesn't delete
the generated by the virus files too

anyway
thank's for your reply
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]


> There is a removal tool but don't know if you will recover files, virus
> affects files on disks
> with a letter greater than C:
> Read thourghly first, it is an involved procedure
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal.e at mm.html
> Tool
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal at mm.removal.tool.html
>
> Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
>
>>hi group,
>>A lot of my files have been inflected by he known kamasutra virus,
>>so when I am trying to open all my office files it's only shows
>>ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
>>please SOS.... is there anybody knows if it's posseble and how to get the
>>data back?
>>
>>is there a repair utility anywhere?
>>
>>I have try all the known unrecovery products
>>
>>thank's in advance
>>kostas \
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr  7 04:42:32 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 05:42:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6D62@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c65a27$983e6c50$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Drew & Charlotte,

Thank you for your replies.  I was thinking that was probably the case but 
didn't have all the details.

Just to clarify, Drew, these are the steps as I understand them from your 
post:

1. Package Wizard the runtime without any files and put Setup.exe and \files 
folder (but not the autorun.inf) on a CD (maybe in a \Setup folder?).
2. On the same CD, put the frontend *.mde and the backend *.mdb.
3. Send the CD to the potential client with instructions that
    a. if they have ACC03 installed to just double clicck on the *.mde file 
(the frontend) on the CD.
    b. if they don't have ACC03 (or maybe ACC03 runtime for some other 
reason), then they should double click on Setup.exe on the CD and after the 
setup wizard completes, double clcik on the *.mde file.

Note: My frontend automatically looks for the backend and if it can't find 
it, it prompts the user to locate it and then relinks.  It actually writes a 
registry entry itself for the path to the backend as a default for the next 
time when I send an updated front end.

Will that work or should I put the frontend and backend together for the 
demo, do you think?

What happens if they have an earlier version of Access on their machine and 
they run the Setup.exe from my demo CD?  Does it get overwritten by the 03 
Runtime or do they co-exist peacefully and happily?

Penn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?


> An installation goes to the OS, and whatever drive it's on.  If you
> installed software to a CD, the OS would have to read .dll's from that CD,
> which would be pretty slow.  And, that CD wouldn't 'work' on another
> machine, because that machine's registry wouldn't have the proper 
> settings.
> (When you install software, only certain things go where you say you want 
> it
> installed.  A lot of things are done in the registry and go automatically
> into the Windows/winnt and system32 folder).
>
> Your best option would be to put the application on CD, along with the
> runtime installation.  If the people you are demoing it too have Access
> 2003, then they can just run your demo database.  If they don't have 
> Access,
> then they install the runtime first, then run your demo.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>
> Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that a
> demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the 
> CD
> without installing anything on the user's computer?
>
> The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the C:\
> drive.
>
> And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on their
> computer or even Access 2003?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Penn
>
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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr  7 07:43:31 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:43:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
Message-ID: <000901c65a40$e0b3e2d0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

I have a form that pops up when a user clicks a button on a main form.  The 
form is a datasheet type list of (for example) Class Sections with the 
number of places available in the Class.  The user uses this form to select 
a Class Section with an empty place for a student in the main form.

I made the Class Section name control Enabled but Locked and put an 
OnDblClick event procedure on it.  When the user double clicks on a Class 
Section, the PKID for the Class Section is put onto the main form in the 
appropriate control (Form!Main_Form!cboClassSectionID = 
User_Selected_Class_SectionID_from_Popup_Form) and the popup selection form 
closes.  It works fine but it doesn't update the Class Register the way it 
does if I change the Class Section on the main form.  When I change the 
Class Section on the main form, there is an after update event which fires 
to update the Class Register.

Is there any way to force the after update event on the main form when the 
popup selection form closes or assigns the Class Section?

I've tried requerying the control and even the main form but they don't work 
because Access doesn't realize that the cboClassSectionID has been modified.

Thank you,

Penn 



From mikedorism at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 08:18:11 2006
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:18:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
In-Reply-To: <000901c65a40$e0b3e2d0$0302a8c0@pennp4>
Message-ID: <000201c65a45$b91a7540$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>

To answer your question, "Yes".  You could call the cboClassSection after
update event at the end of the double click code.  I have, however, had
mixed results with calling a control's after update event that way because
it doesn't always seem to work quite right.  Whenever I find it necessary to
duplicate a particular section of code in more than one place on a form, I
find it cleaner to create a public sub procedure on that form and call that
instead.  

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net




From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri Apr  7 08:44:36 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:44:36 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AD96@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing. I have a client who wants
every single control on every single form to be sized 12 point not the
default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum? Solutions requested! Client A wants 12 point Arial
everywhere. Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere. I begin most of
my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many on this list)
define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e. in the BE I
state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the Customers
table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all subsequent
forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and I don't
want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else. Can this be done, and if so how? TIA,
Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 09:41:58 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:41:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <009601c658ef$5ee63110$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 09:46:55 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:46:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AD96@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c65a52$1e24bca0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 09:48:08 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:48:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
In-Reply-To: <443616A6.8090804@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0IXC00IMVX3D0WE0@l-daemon>

Hi All:

Here is a post that I received the other day... scary?

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1945808,00.asp

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]

There is a removal tool but don't know if you will recover files, virus 
affects files on disks
with a letter greater than C:
Read thourghly first, it is an involved procedure

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal.e at mm.ht
ml
Tool

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal at mm.remo
val.tool.html

Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

>hi group,
>A lot of my files have been inflected by he known kamasutra virus,
>so when I am trying to open all my office files it's only shows
>ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
>please SOS.... is there anybody knows if it's posseble and how to get the 
>data back?
>
>is there a repair utility anywhere?
>
>I have try all the known unrecovery products
>
>thank's in advance
>kostas \
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr  7 09:48:40 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:48:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <002401c65a52$5cc04380$e2b3d6d1@SUSANONE>


I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

==========Did your colleague ask him if HE worked for $12 an hour? 

Susan H. 



From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Apr  7 09:57:38 2006
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:57:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492D558@natexch.jenkens.com>

Definitely not worth the trouble to take this client.  If he is not happy
with his $5.00 per hour product and comes back to you, charge him double
what other clients get.  It probably still won't be worth your time, but
maybe you can get rid of him that way.  If you do take him, make an explicit
agreement that all code belongs to you, he merely buys rights to use the
product (not even modify it).  Nothing else is acceptable if you are dealing
with someone who thinks this is a legitimate offer.  As much as I reuse
code, he could make a legitimate case for 50% of all of my profits for the
rest of my existence if I were dumb enough to take that offer.  That is
unacceptable.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 10:05:15 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:05:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A31@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Just a caveat, Arthur.  Since you're looking at different fonts and
different point sizes, keep in mind that you would have to do extensive
testing on reports (even more than on forms) to insure that your
controls were large enough to accommodate the various fonts.  Report
labels, especially, "size to fit" but don't necessarily do so.   


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to
be sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or
whatever, such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in
App 2 the AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm
because if it works there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This
same question probably also extends to font (client A likes Arial,
client B likes Times Roman). Can this be done? Or must I continue with
this inane form-by-form selection and resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike
many on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table
level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into
the Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in
all subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do
this, and I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about
that. I want to concentrate on the question of how to default all
AutoForms (and custom forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v.
12 and control-font = Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 10:09:32 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:09:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A32@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I think I would recommend that the client try the 'east Indian'
programmers, because you do NOT want him as a client.  Underhanded and
under the table are not good client characteristics. 


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to
present a list of the best prices... a good idea. We had previously
agreed on principle but had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
the company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
two 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour
but felt that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar
code again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross
profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Apr  7 10:03:50 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:03:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625438@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Get him a plane ticket to India. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to
present a list of the best prices... a good idea. We had previously
agreed on principle but had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
the company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
two 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour
but felt that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar
code again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross
profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr  7 10:35:54 2006
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <005001c65a58$f5a57100$6101a8c0@50NM721>

...hard to comment ...laughing too hard :)

...I'd send him a "Get Well Soon" card :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> These are interesting times.
>
> Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
> client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
> The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 
> 'screen
> scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list 
> of
> the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
> had not negotiated a price.
>
> The client presented the young programmer with his position.
> First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.
> Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through 
> the
> company.
> Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had 
> two
> 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but 
> felt
> that he should try and support local talent.
>
> .. and a rider..
>
> The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
> again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
> I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
> Jim
>
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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr  7 10:48:52 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:48:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
References: <000201c65a45$b91a7540$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <001601c65a5a$c517ddf0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Thank you, Doris.

The problem is that the after update event also checks other controls on the 
main form to make sure they areen't blank and calls a couple of other 
procedures that are also private to the main form code module.

If I understood you correctly, you suggested I put something like this in 
the F_Students form code behind:

Public Sub P_CallClassSectionIDAfterUpdate()
  cboClassSectionID_AfterUpdate
End Sub

I tried that but the popup Class Selection form code couldn't see the sub. 
If I put it in one of the modules (I have an M_MiscFunctions module for 
things like this), it recognizes the sub but I'm no better off that before.

Thank you, Penn

> To answer your question, "Yes".  You could call the cboClassSection after
> update event at the end of the double click code.  I have, however, had
> mixed results with calling a control's after update event that way because
> it doesn't always seem to work quite right.  Whenever I find it necessary 
> to
> duplicate a particular section of code in more than one place on a form, I
> find it cleaner to create a public sub procedure on that form and call 
> that
> instead.
>
> Doris Manning
> mikedorism at verizon.net



From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Apr  7 10:50:47 2006
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:50:47 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Baby born at 123456
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492D559@natexch.jenkens.com>

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060406/NEWS01/104060025/
1009

At St. Cloud Hospital, a baby you can count on 
By Kari Petrie kpetrie at stcloudtimes.com 

Published: April 06. 2006 6:00AM
STORY CHAT (23) REGISTER HERE NOW 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----


It might be a sign he'll be a math wiz. Or, it might mean he'll be famous.

Or it could just be a coincidence.

Anthony Patrick Mertens' birth involved some interesting numbers Wednesday
at St. Cloud Hospital.

He showed up at 1:23 p.m. on 4-5-06 and weighs 7 pounds.

His parents are Linda Kolodjeski and Anthony Mertens, of St. Cloud.

The baby was early; he was due April 26. But doctors at St. Cloud Hospital
induced his mother at 9:30 a.m. Wednesday.

What the birth time and date means, Mertens' parents aren't sure.

"Hopefully, something good," Kolodjeski said.

Mertens has two older sisters, Courtney, 6, and Zoe, 15 months.

But the senior Mertens said he's excited to have a boy in the family. Father
and son not only share names, but also looks.

Mertens plans to take his son to Twins' games for his birthday each year.

"That's the fun part," he said.


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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 10:56:43 2006
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:56:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
In-Reply-To: <001601c65a5a$c517ddf0$0302a8c0@pennp4>
Message-ID: <000301c65a5b$de981370$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>

If you are going that route, don't put it in the pop-up's code.  Put it in
the procedure that called the pop-up so it will run when the pop-up closes.

The only way you could call it from the pop-up is if you changed the after
update event in the main form from private to public.

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net




From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 11:21:26 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:21:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <00a801c65a52$1e24bca0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <E1FRtiE-0004BA-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

  It's only silly to say if your trying to solve all those other problems.
And while a framework does solve a lot of problems, it also creates some of
it's own; performance, complexity, class design, etc

  Frameworks are not the pancrea that everyone believes.

Jim.  

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Apr  7 11:39:15 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:39:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on Report
	basedon dynamic crosstab query
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A4A51@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Ervin,

How about something like: 

    txtBox1.ControlSource =
db.QueryDefs("qryCroRealPrPred").Fields(1).Name 

-Ken


From max at sherman.org.uk  Fri Apr  7 11:41:16 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:41:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <003f01c65a09$34a1eaf0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001f01c65a62$18036b90$dd6b1152@Max>

John,
This framework sounds incredibly useful and powerful.  What I would like is
some type of trigger at table level so that if a record changes or one is
added or deleted then a function runs.   Would your framework be able to
handle this type of functionality?
Regards
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 07 April 2006 07:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Apr  7 12:10:48 2006
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:10:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <014b01c65a66$3732fbd0$eba30c54@minster33c3r25>

Look on the bright side Jim. Not much chance of the mean ******** pinching
your staff.

Tell him you agree that local businesses should be supported, and that that
support includes protection from parasites like him.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 07 April 2006 15:42
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
> 
> 
> These are interesting times. 
> 
> Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to 
> see a new client as I was out of the city for a couple of 
> days on business.
> 
> The client would like a custom made complex piece of code 
> that would 'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site 
> would be able to present a list of the best prices... a good 
> idea. We had previously agreed on principle but had not 
> negotiated a price.
> 
> The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
> First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the 
> client called.  
> Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not 
> go through the company. Third, the maximum rate he would pay 
> would be $12.00 and hour as he had two 'east Indian' 
> programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but 
> felt that he should try and support local talent.
> 
> .. and a rider..
> 
> The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used 
> similar code again, in another paying contract we would pay 
> him 50% of gross profits.
> 
> I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Apr  7 12:54:14 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:54:14 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AEB5@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Touched a hot button there, huh?

I'm not denying the power of frameworks and class libraries, it's just that
Arthur needed a quick solution, and the answer was right there in the Access
environment.

Have a great weekend one and all.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 13:08:30 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:08:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <E1FRtiE-0004BA-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00d601c65a6e$47a90740$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Uhhh, yep.  Of course I wasn't trying to solve all of those other problems.
I solved one, then another then another etc.  I started with a simple
library like many developers do.  It was truly only when I finally figured
out Withevents (which REQUIRE classes) and now had a grasp of classes (as
implemented in Access anyway), that the framework really began to happen.

Complexity, yes of course.  Classes, yes of course.  Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.  What a lot of people don't
know is that the CODE for a class only loads once.  The entire class loads
the first time it is used, and remains in memory after that so it isn't like
if I load a form with 40 controls I have to LOAD the 40 control classes over
and over again. The form class loads once, the combo class loads once, the
text box class loads once, then the VARIABLE/CONSTANT portion is created for
each class instance.

Frameworks are a tool, a very powerful tool, but certainly not a panacea.
OTOH, cutting and pasting code into forms or modules in each FE is no
panacea either.  There are developers out there that only work on a single
FE.  A framework is much less useful there since you don't need to apply the
same functionality to a second application.  For anyone maintaining more
than one application, a "library" is almost a requirement, and a framework
is simply the next (HUGE) step up in functionality.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,

  It's only silly to say if your trying to solve all those other problems.
And while a framework does solve a lot of problems, it also creates some of
it's own; performance, complexity, class design, etc

  Frameworks are not the pancrea that everyone believes.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 13:16:19 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:16:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <00d701c65a6f$5f137c20$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Jim,

This is amusing.  I had a previous client go to India for some work.  He got
3 programmers for the same hourly rate I was charging (back then) - it would
be more like 5 or 6 today.  He hired a firm to do this for him rather than
hire me.  They assigned 3 programmers and told him it would take 3 months.
A year later, they were still not done.  He WAS going to India to try and
get it straightened out.

I was just smiling.

I am NOT "making fun of" Indian (or any other nationality) programmers but
building a program is not like building a bridge or a house.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 13:21:09 2006
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:21:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000501c65a70$10ead420$c767a8c0@amdgcda>

Jim,

Go ahead and tell him you will take on the project for $12.00 an hour and
then go back and have the East Indian programmers work on it for $5.00 per
hour turning in a $7.00 per hour "profit". 

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  7 13:28:41 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:28:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
References: <000501c65a70$10ead420$c767a8c0@amdgcda>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820DC@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work out how to do this from a single point.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 13:42:29 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:42:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <001f01c65a62$18036b90$dd6b1152@Max>
Message-ID: <00d801c65a73$07854070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

No, this is not possible (AFAIK) in Access.  The MDB back end is nothing but
a file to JET / Access.  Each instance of Access, running on each
workstation can change / delete / append records.  Access does an admirable
job of "announcing" such changes to other users but basically (again, AFAIK)
there is no "event" that can be intercepted on machine A to tell you that
something happened on machine B, much less prevent it or do something about
it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,
This framework sounds incredibly useful and powerful.  What I would like is
some type of trigger at table level so that if a record changes or one is
added or deleted then a function runs.   Would your framework be able to
handle this type of functionality?
Regards
Max


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 07 April 2006 07:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr  7 13:54:06 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:54:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447C5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i 
 end if

Does that make any sense? 

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  7 14:01:39 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:01:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447C5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820DD@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data. 
 
Martin
 
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Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477




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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 14:06:58 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:06:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AEB5@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c65a76$72acdd10$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Touched a hot button there, huh?

LOL, I suppose.  I can tell you that for the "hundreds of hours spent
designing a framework", well over 50% of that time was required just to
design a solution to a problem I needed solved.  Having designed the
solution once I then have it available "automatically" for the next project.
The framework has saved me thousands of hours of application design time
over the years that I have used it.  So of course, "do the math".  

>I'm not denying the power of frameworks and class libraries, it's just that
Arthur needed a quick solution, and the answer was right there in the Access
environment.

Arthur needs a "quick solution" exactly because he does not use a framework.
I can modify my framework to do exactly what he is discussing in an hour or
two.  That is a quick solution, and furthermore it is a permanent solution
that is immediately available for all other applications that use my
framework.  Once implemented I can change the font / pitch in a matter of
seconds, for the entire application, simply by modifying a SysVar.  Arthur
may still be looking for his quick solution, and when he finds it, it will
be a band aid.

Your solution didn't sound like an answer to me at all.  

>Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog.

That of course does work IF you are doing this from the start but NOT if you
want to apply it to existing forms.  Further, what happens when ClientA
changes his mind half way through the project.

Your "solution" is the typical "power user" solution, which works quite well
IF ... But not at all ELSE...

I will be the first to admit I do not have a "quick" solution for him (since
he doesn't use a framework).  I try very hard not to "do it quick" but
rather to "do it right".  In the end, "doing it right" means I can "do
anything I have done before quickly".  Works for me.

>>Touched a hot button there, huh?

I am quite content with my framework solutions.  Thanks for asking.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Touched a hot button there, huh?

I'm not denying the power of frameworks and class libraries, it's just that
Arthur needed a quick solution, and the answer was right there in the Access
environment.

Have a great weekend one and all.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr  7 14:24:53 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:24:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
References: <000301c65a5b$de981370$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <001001c65a78$f2869740$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Brilliant!  That is a great solution.  Should have thought of it myself but 
I didn't.  Maybe next time.  Thank you very much.  Penn

Note: I discovered that you have to be sure to open the form in dialog mode. 
Setting the form to popup +/- mofal doesn't stop the script and runs the 
after update event before the user has a chance to select the new Class 
Section.  In the acDialogmode, you don't have to set the Popup & Modal 
properties to Yes because the acDialog mode does it for you.

Thanks again!

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?


> If you are going that route, don't put it in the pop-up's code.  Put it in
> the procedure that called the pop-up so it will run when the pop-up 
> closes.
>
> The only way you could call it from the pop-up is if you changed the after
> update event in the main form from private to public.
>
> Doris Manning
> mikedorism at verizon.net
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr  7 14:27:06 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:27:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447D4@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

How about another suggestion from left field?  One question first: As
each form opens you need to determine whether or not the data in that
form comes from Sharepoint? Then you'll show/hide the text box? (OK 2
questions)


Jim D.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a
condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need
to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true
then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if
the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data. 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
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Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

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Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  7 14:44:34 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:44:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447D4@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820DE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Thats the idea Jim. Its for a demo I am giving on SharePoint.Get the feeling this is over complicated?
 
Martin
 
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Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 20:27
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



How about another suggestion from left field?  One question first: As
each form opens you need to determine whether or not the data in that
form comes from Sharepoint? Then you'll show/hide the text box? (OK 2
questions)


Jim D.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a
condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need
to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true
then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if
the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 14:46:32 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:46:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <00d601c65a6e$47a90740$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <E1FRwuh-0005pY-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

<<Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.>>

  I was thinking more in terms of execution speed.  For the example at hand
(and it's not a great example, but you'll get the point), if I have an app
that doesn't need the point size modified ever, then anything that executes
to maintain that feature is just a waste.   Depending on the framework and
what it provides, it can be the difference between a sluggish app and one
that is snappy.

  The general problem with frameworks is that you want to use it on
everything (and there in lies it's power).  But as a result, as you toss in
anything you need now and might need in the future, it just becomes more and
more bloated for each application in general.

  Office is a great example of how that gets out of control; at one point,
something like 90% of the features in office were never used by most people.
That 90% to them was just a waste.  Microsoft combated this to a certain
extent by only installing a limited feature set and having an install on the
fly if it's needed, but they still waste a lot of cycles checking the state
of things.

  Frameworks are great and do solve a lot of problems, but I've found that
you need to be very careful not to overbuild.  In regards to Access, I have
many of the same features that you have, but their in small discrete modules
that I can load into an app as needed, keeping it somewhat light weight.  Of
course the trade-off is that it takes me a little more work to hook things
up.

  With VFP, I use a full blown framework with a truck load of features and
because it is a compiled language, the performance hit isn't that great and
I can get away with it.  But I'd hate to use something like that with
Access.

Jim.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Uhhh, yep.  Of course I wasn't trying to solve all of those other problems.
I solved one, then another then another etc.  I started with a simple
library like many developers do.  It was truly only when I finally figured
out Withevents (which REQUIRE classes) and now had a grasp of classes (as
implemented in Access anyway), that the framework really began to happen.

Complexity, yes of course.  Classes, yes of course.  Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.  What a lot of people don't
know is that the CODE for a class only loads once.  The entire class loads
the first time it is used, and remains in memory after that so it isn't like
if I load a form with 40 controls I have to LOAD the 40 control classes over
and over again. The form class loads once, the combo class loads once, the
text box class loads once, then the VARIABLE/CONSTANT portion is created for
each class instance.

Frameworks are a tool, a very powerful tool, but certainly not a panacea.
OTOH, cutting and pasting code into forms or modules in each FE is no
panacea either.  There are developers out there that only work on a single
FE.  A framework is much less useful there since you don't need to apply the
same functionality to a second application.  For anyone maintaining more
than one application, a "library" is almost a requirement, and a framework
is simply the next (HUGE) step up in functionality.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,

  It's only silly to say if your trying to solve all those other problems.
And while a framework does solve a lot of problems, it also creates some of
it's own; performance, complexity, class design, etc

  Frameworks are not the pancrea that everyone believes.

Jim.  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 14:53:45 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:53:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <000501c65a70$10ead420$c767a8c0@amdgcda>
Message-ID: <E1FRx1f-0000Ss-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Eric,

  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and the
culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand how
we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
were just trash because of this.

  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
commented with poor English or even worse, another language?

  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Jim,

Go ahead and tell him you will take on the project for $12.00 an hour and
then go back and have the East Indian programmers work on it for $5.00 per
hour turning in a $7.00 per hour "profit". 

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 14:58:24 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:58:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <00d801c65a73$07854070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <E1FRx6A-0002GB-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


<<No, this is not possible (AFAIK) in Access>>

  Actually not one sense.  There was a technique published by Michael Kaplan
many years ago in Smart Access which he called "SQL Lite".

  The technique was to leave a copy of Access running on a sever and have it
field all data requests from the clients.  So it was the only copy of Access
touching the JET database.  It then became possible to use "triggers" (and I
use the term loosely).  Of course you could do the same thing with a COM
component.

  Actually, maybe this is something that might be included in a framework...

  But your right with Access/JET it's not built-in straight out of the box.
Of course Access with a SQL backend is another story.

Jim.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

No, this is not possible (AFAIK) in Access.  The MDB back end is nothing but
a file to JET / Access.  Each instance of Access, running on each
workstation can change / delete / append records.  Access does an admirable
job of "announcing" such changes to other users but basically (again, AFAIK)
there is no "event" that can be intercepted on machine A to tell you that
something happened on machine B, much less prevent it or do something about
it.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,
This framework sounds incredibly useful and powerful.  What I would like is
some type of trigger at table level so that if a record changes or one is
added or deleted then a function runs.   Would your framework be able to
handle this type of functionality?
Regards
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 07 April 2006 07:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr  7 15:02:33 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:02:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447E5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Maybe.  Check this solution out and see if it works.

You can do this on each form or create a "master" or "config" form that
can be hidden. Add an IsSharepointData property to the form(s) and set
the text box Visible to it's value:

Public Property Get IsSharepointData() As Boolean
Dim blnReturn As Boolean
    
    blnReturn = 1 = 1
    IsSharepointData = blnReturn
End Property

Private Sub Form_Load()
    Me.txtSharepoint.Visible = Me.IsSharepointData
End Sub

If you use the master form technique your reference won't be to Me but
to Forms("MyMasterForm").IsSharepointData.

Hope that makes sense.

Jim D. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

Thats the idea Jim. Its for a demo I am giving on SharePoint.Get the
feeling this is over complicated?
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 20:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



How about another suggestion from left field?  One question first: As
each form opens you need to determine whether or not the data in that
form comes from Sharepoint? Then you'll show/hide the text box? (OK 2
questions)


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a
condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need
to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true
then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if
the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477


________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  7 15:18:11 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:18:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447E5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820DF@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Does indeed
 
Will try it out now and let you know how it goes.
 
Martin
 
 
 
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Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 21:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Maybe.  Check this solution out and see if it works.

You can do this on each form or create a "master" or "config" form that
can be hidden. Add an IsSharepointData property to the form(s) and set
the text box Visible to it's value:

Public Property Get IsSharepointData() As Boolean
Dim blnReturn As Boolean
   
    blnReturn = 1 = 1
    IsSharepointData = blnReturn
End Property

Private Sub Form_Load()
    Me.txtSharepoint.Visible = Me.IsSharepointData
End Sub

If you use the master form technique your reference won't be to Me but
to Forms("MyMasterForm").IsSharepointData.

Hope that makes sense.

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

Thats the idea Jim. Its for a demo I am giving on SharePoint.Get the
feeling this is over complicated?

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477


________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 20:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



How about another suggestion from left field?  One question first: As
each form opens you need to determine whether or not the data in that
form comes from Sharepoint? Then you'll show/hide the text box? (OK 2
questions)


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a
condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need
to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true
then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if
the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477


________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Apr  7 16:11:24 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:11:24 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0604051529n18e502cdq2e6f9941c51f8e2b@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <00101736F13D774F88C54058CB2663C8483C02@celebration.sierranevada.corp>
	<b874372a0604051529n18e502cdq2e6f9941c51f8e2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060408090841.01b31c00@dalyn.co.nz>

Dear all,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn 
up to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old 
one - too much late night/early morning programming).

Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a 
sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging 
that was going on during the operation).

Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.

David

At 6/04/2006, you wrote:
>If this is a very busy table you can generally use table hints to
>prevent locking the table, and is generally very fast, simplay add a
>WITH(NOLOCK) at the end of your table names (not variable tables).
>
>
>On 4/5/06, David Lewis <DavidL at sierranevada.com> wrote:
> > Well, there is a lot there to begin to look through...
> >
> > One thing that sticks out is the
> >
> > "SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT"   in the underlying view.  Remove that and the
> > "ORDER BY" clause and you will do much to streamline the execution of
> > the view.  Also consider making as many of the queries covered as
> > possible by either adding indexes or removing columns from the views
> > that are not needed in the final query.
> >
> > I am not very experienced with streamline execution plans by optimizing
> > joins, but I do try to read what comes my way and I have read that all
> > joins are NOT created equal.  Because your joins are relatively complex,
> > it may be that there is much to do in that area.  When I find a good
> > reference I will pass it on...
> >
> > D. Lewis
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 16:44:28 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:44:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <E1FRx1f-0000Ss-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0IXD00ESDGD8URA0@l-daemon>

Thank you all for your suggestions. 

I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
project go if there is no agreement 

Jim

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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 16:53:14 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:53:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A47@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Jim,

I would suggest that if you do any business with this character, you
make sure you have his wet signature on a binding document.  Even then,
I think you're in for trouble if you take this one one. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Thank you all for your suggestions. 

I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let
the project go if there is no agreement 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to
present a list of the best prices... a good idea. We had previously
agreed on principle but had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
the company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
two 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour
but felt that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar
code again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross
profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Apr  7 17:01:15 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:01:15 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEA@main2.marlow.com>

Sounds about right.  Is there a specific reason to stay with the Access 2003
format?  If you save it as an Access 2000 database, it's backwards
compatible for several versions (until you hit Access 97).

Drew

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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 4:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?

Drew & Charlotte,

Thank you for your replies.  I was thinking that was probably the case but 
didn't have all the details.

Just to clarify, Drew, these are the steps as I understand them from your 
post:

1. Package Wizard the runtime without any files and put Setup.exe and \files

folder (but not the autorun.inf) on a CD (maybe in a \Setup folder?).
2. On the same CD, put the frontend *.mde and the backend *.mdb.
3. Send the CD to the potential client with instructions that
    a. if they have ACC03 installed to just double clicck on the *.mde file 
(the frontend) on the CD.
    b. if they don't have ACC03 (or maybe ACC03 runtime for some other 
reason), then they should double click on Setup.exe on the CD and after the 
setup wizard completes, double clcik on the *.mde file.

Note: My frontend automatically looks for the backend and if it can't find 
it, it prompts the user to locate it and then relinks.  It actually writes a

registry entry itself for the path to the backend as a default for the next 
time when I send an updated front end.

Will that work or should I put the frontend and backend together for the 
demo, do you think?

What happens if they have an earlier version of Access on their machine and 
they run the Setup.exe from my demo CD?  Does it get overwritten by the 03 
Runtime or do they co-exist peacefully and happily?

Penn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?


> An installation goes to the OS, and whatever drive it's on.  If you
> installed software to a CD, the OS would have to read .dll's from that CD,
> which would be pretty slow.  And, that CD wouldn't 'work' on another
> machine, because that machine's registry wouldn't have the proper 
> settings.
> (When you install software, only certain things go where you say you want 
> it
> installed.  A lot of things are done in the registry and go automatically
> into the Windows/winnt and system32 folder).
>
> Your best option would be to put the application on CD, along with the
> runtime installation.  If the people you are demoing it too have Access
> 2003, then they can just run your demo database.  If they don't have 
> Access,
> then they install the runtime first, then run your demo.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>
> Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that a
> demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the 
> CD
> without installing anything on the user's computer?
>
> The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the C:\
> drive.
>
> And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on their
> computer or even Access 2003?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Penn
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Apr  7 17:06:51 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:06:51 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
	Vi	ews
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEC@main2.marlow.com>

Glad everything went okay.  Charlotte got a replacement a while ago, but she
said USB wasn't available in the new models.....how about now?  They have to
have at least put Bluetooth in these things by now, you can't buy a set of
headphones without Bluetooth options... ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: David Emerson [mailto:newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 4:11 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
Views

Dear all,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn 
up to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old 
one - too much late night/early morning programming).

Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a 
sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging 
that was going on during the operation).

Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.

David

At 6/04/2006, you wrote:
>If this is a very busy table you can generally use table hints to
>prevent locking the table, and is generally very fast, simplay add a
>WITH(NOLOCK) at the end of your table names (not variable tables).
>
>
>On 4/5/06, David Lewis <DavidL at sierranevada.com> wrote:
> > Well, there is a lot there to begin to look through...
> >
> > One thing that sticks out is the
> >
> > "SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT"   in the underlying view.  Remove that and the
> > "ORDER BY" clause and you will do much to streamline the execution of
> > the view.  Also consider making as many of the queries covered as
> > possible by either adding indexes or removing columns from the views
> > that are not needed in the final query.
> >
> > I am not very experienced with streamline execution plans by optimizing
> > joins, but I do try to read what comes my way and I have read that all
> > joins are NOT created equal.  Because your joins are relatively complex,
> > it may be that there is much to do in that area.  When I find a good
> > reference I will pass it on...
> >
> > D. Lewis
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr  7 17:29:54 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 02:29:54 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <E1FRx1f-0000Ss-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001101c65a92$ccd935b0$6501a8c0@Nant>

>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
Jim,

That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He 
most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune 
but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of 
others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his own...

> Folks overseas don't really understand how
> we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)

I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - just 
to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.

Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.

People do business very similarly these days all around the World, 
especially in IT.
The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on the 
East.
But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern 
professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them. 
Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular 
professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom 
software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in 
"embryonic" state here.
They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high 
as there but not bad at all.
And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only 
grows.

The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in average 
in the West Europe as I have seen.
The level of failures in very high.
Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" started 
when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last 
forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it 
what creates demand on low cost IT labor.

I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including 
Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding 
"dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years 
ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. The 
situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still have 
to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living 
level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I 
wanted from this life most of all...

The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for 
projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not 
only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around 
the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they 
are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....

The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour. 
They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this 
(30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because to 
compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual companies 
have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact the 
local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you are 
needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I 
think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...

And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work done 
there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be paid 
your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as 
there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work 
off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the 
current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good enough 
go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...

When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages 
then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers 
leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have 
seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe, 
they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of their 
developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Eric,
>
>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and 
> the
> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand 
> how
> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
> were just trash because of this.
>
>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>
>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>
> Jim.
>
<<< tail skipped >>> 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 17:28:51 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:28:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Sounds like they replaced your leads as well as the unit itself.  I got
off lightly this time, they just unzipped my chest pocket and clipped in
a new pacer, no need to replace any of the wiring.  I felt pretty seedy
for a week, but you will feel much better with a lot of rest ... And no
early morning/late night programming! LOL 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:11 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views

Dear all,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn up
to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old one -
too much late night/early morning programming).

Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a
sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging
that was going on during the operation).

Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.

David

At 6/04/2006, you wrote:
>If this is a very busy table you can generally use table hints to 
>prevent locking the table, and is generally very fast, simplay add a
>WITH(NOLOCK) at the end of your table names (not variable tables).
>
>
>On 4/5/06, David Lewis <DavidL at sierranevada.com> wrote:
> > Well, there is a lot there to begin to look through...
> >
> > One thing that sticks out is the
> >
> > "SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT"   in the underlying view.  Remove that and
the
> > "ORDER BY" clause and you will do much to streamline the execution 
> > of the view.  Also consider making as many of the queries covered as

> > possible by either adding indexes or removing columns from the views

> > that are not needed in the final query.
> >
> > I am not very experienced with streamline execution plans by 
> > optimizing joins, but I do try to read what comes my way and I have 
> > read that all joins are NOT created equal.  Because your joins are 
> > relatively complex, it may be that there is much to do in that area.

> > When I find a good reference I will pass it on...
> >
> > D. Lewis
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 17:33:16 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:33:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <E1FRwuh-0005pY-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00f301c65a93$447ddf30$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>  I was thinking more in terms of execution speed.  For the example at hand
(and it's not a great example, but you'll get the point), if I have an app
that doesn't need the point size modified ever, then anything that executes
to maintain that feature is just a waste.   Depending on the framework and
what it provides, it can be the difference between a sluggish app and one
that is snappy.

I understand that concern.  What I can tell you though (from extensive
testing) is that it takes under 1/2 millisecond to load an "average" class
instance.  Thus you can load 2000 class instances in under a second.  A lot
of what a class does it does as it loads - modifying how things work etc.

The other thing to understand is that you can, using the same SysVars I have
been discussing, turn on/off functionality, either for the entire FE, or on
a form by form basis.  IOW I can tell the APPLICATION to use date
formatting.  What does this mean?  In order to do date formatting, DAO has
to drill down into the bound recordset and discover the data type for
specific types of controls.  Obviously it only does this for forms that can
possible display a date, which means (in my framework) only text boxes.  The
form has a control scanner.  When the scanner function is called, it checks
whether THIS FORM is supposed to use date formatting.  If so it starts
scanning for controls and loading a class for those controls for which a
class exists (most).  As it discovers TEXT BOXES, it discovers which field
the text box is bound to and drills down to discover the data type.  If the
data type is a date, then it reads the APPLICATION SysVar for date
formatting and plugs it in to the property of that text box.

The point of all this is that yes, the framework (form class and text box
control class) have to do this processing, but it is focused.  ONLY if the
APPLICATION date formatting is turned on and ONLY if this form is supposed
to format dates, and even then only specific controls.  Because I cache all
framework and Application SysVars in a class, accessing one or all of the
variables is virtually instantaneous.

>Frameworks are great and do solve a lot of problems, but I've found that
you need to be very careful not to overbuild.  

What you have to be careful of is that you have switches (SysVars) that
entirely turn on / off the features.  Having an actual framework though
means that the switches are loaded at Init of the application.  I typically
have 50 to 100 Application SysVars and 50-100 Framework SysVars.  The load
time for that is negligible.  As any given form loads, it searches all of
the APPLICATION SysVars for the form's name in the SysVar name.  Again, if
there are 50-100 SysVars, the var names are about 10 - 20 characters long
plus the length of the form name so again, the time to find form specific
SysVars is negligible.  I have a function where I "define" which SysVars are
required for a form.  As I build new form functionality that requires a
SysVar, I go to that function in the form class and "load" that SysVar into
a SysVar collection in the form class itself.  Thus, like the framework
itself, by the time the form finishes loading it has its own private
collection of exactly and only the switches (SysVars) that apply to it.  All
of this kind of processing may sound like it slows things down but in fact
it speeds things up.  SysVars, once loaded by the Framework are never again
loaded from the disk.  Forms look in the framework SysVar collections as
they load.  Code functionality looks in the form's SysVar collection to
determine what the form needs to do.

>Of course the trade-off is that it takes me a little more work to hook
things up.

I don't know what you have to do to hook things in but all I have to do is
turn on / off a SysVar.  Is your method truly just a "little" more work?

At any rate, my purpose is not to "convert the heathens".  I simply find
that having stuff loaded and ready, with "services" available to the
application is a very powerful concept.  There are many people that simply
aren't capable of implementing their own framework, and to them I suggest
learning about libraries and at least do that much.  Classes provide an
additional level of "setup/cleanup/encapsulation" that is very powerful.
Until I actually used them I could not understand why or how I would use
them.  Once I started using them I cannot imagine how I could survive
without them.

I still have modules of course, but any "system" now goes in one or more
classes.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,

<<Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.>>

  I was thinking more in terms of execution speed.  For the example at hand
(and it's not a great example, but you'll get the point), if I have an app
that doesn't need the point size modified ever, then anything that executes
to maintain that feature is just a waste.   Depending on the framework and
what it provides, it can be the difference between a sluggish app and one
that is snappy.

  The general problem with frameworks is that you want to use it on
everything (and there in lies it's power).  But as a result, as you toss in
anything you need now and might need in the future, it just becomes more and
more bloated for each application in general.

  Office is a great example of how that gets out of control; at one point,
something like 90% of the features in office were never used by most people.
That 90% to them was just a waste.  Microsoft combated this to a certain
extent by only installing a limited feature set and having an install on the
fly if it's needed, but they still waste a lot of cycles checking the state
of things.

  Frameworks are great and do solve a lot of problems, but I've found that
you need to be very careful not to overbuild.  In regards to Access, I have
many of the same features that you have, but their in small discrete modules
that I can load into an app as needed, keeping it somewhat light weight.  Of
course the trade-off is that it takes me a little more work to hook things
up.

  With VFP, I use a full blown framework with a truck load of features and
because it is a compiled language, the performance hit isn't that great and
I can get away with it.  But I'd hate to use something like that with
Access.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Uhhh, yep.  Of course I wasn't trying to solve all of those other problems.
I solved one, then another then another etc.  I started with a simple
library like many developers do.  It was truly only when I finally figured
out Withevents (which REQUIRE classes) and now had a grasp of classes (as
implemented in Access anyway), that the framework really began to happen.

Complexity, yes of course.  Classes, yes of course.  Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.  What a lot of people don't
know is that the CODE for a class only loads once.  The entire class loads
the first time it is used, and remains in memory after that so it isn't like
if I load a form with 40 controls I have to LOAD the 40 control classes over
and over again. The form class loads once, the combo class loads once, the
text box class loads once, then the VARIABLE/CONSTANT portion is created for
each class instance.

Frameworks are a tool, a very powerful tool, but certainly not a panacea.
OTOH, cutting and pasting code into forms or modules in each FE is no
panacea either.  There are developers out there that only work on a single
FE.  A framework is much less useful there since you don't need to apply the
same functionality to a second application.  For anyone maintaining more
than one application, a "library" is almost a requirement, and a framework
is simply the next (HUGE) step up in functionality.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,

  It's only silly to say if your trying to solve all those other problems.
And while a framework does solve a lot of problems, it also creates some of
it's own; performance, complexity, class design, etc

  Frameworks are not the pancrea that everyone believes.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 17:36:00 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:36:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A4A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Shamil,

I don't think anyone intended any criticism or disparagement of
programmers in other countries.  All our ire was poured out on the idiot
who thought he could replace an on-the-spot programmer with someone
several thousand miles away who may not speak the same first language
and then expect the only difference to be price.  That's why we
carefully kept the quotes around "east Indian", since it was obviously
just a category for offshore programming.  With the right specs and good
understanding, there's no reason offshore programmers can't do the  same
quality job as local could.  The gotcha in that is that clients can't
write adequate specs, so they're going to get junk, no matter how much
they pay.

It isn't the offshore competition that threatens us, it's the idiots who
look for bargains without understanding what they're buying.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
Jim,

That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue.
He most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a
fortune but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on
overexploitation of others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave
him to go on his own...

> Folks overseas don't really understand how we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)

I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread -
just to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.

Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.

People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
especially in IT.
The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on
the East.
But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them. 
Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on
custom software development for middle-/small-businesses, which
themselves are in "embryonic" state here.
They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as
high as there but not bad at all.
And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only
grows.

The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in
average in the West Europe as I have seen.
The level of failures in very high.
Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis"
started when the first programming language was created  and it will
probably last forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long
time to solve it what creates demand on low cost IT labor.

I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including
Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding
"dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of
years ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family
well. The situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but
I still have to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep
the same living level as before. And I can't say this "endless working
marathon" is what I wanted from this life most of all...

The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not
only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all
around the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and
Canada - they are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....

The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently
30USD/hour. 
They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this
(30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because
to compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual
companies have to be created and to manage these companies, to
effectively contact the local customers over there experienced managers
and developers like you are needed. There are not that much people like
that there as far as I see - I think you can feel safe, at least while
your economy is growing...

And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work
done there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll
be paid your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the
same as there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to
work off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of
the current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good
enough go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...

When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages
then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy
developers leaving this country in searching for the better life over
there. I have seen/visited such companies here - they state they are
great, well, maybe, they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have
to see the eyes of their developers, many of them are so sad and
hopeless...

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Eric,
>
>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking
and 
> the
> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really
understand 
> how
> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas
that
> were just trash because of this.
>
>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>
>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>
> Jim.
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 17:49:58 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:49:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <001101c65a92$ccd935b0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <E1FRzmD-0006rs-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Shamil,

<<> Folks overseas don't really understand how
> we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)>>

  I do believe it is.  I notice differences even here in the US between
North and South and East and West.  I'm not talking about how to keep a set
of books, but about the process by which things get done, how people
perceive things, and how they communicate.  That all affects the process
flow, software design, and development effort.

  This in no way was a put down of anyone.  If I as a developer moved to
India, Russia, or China, outside of the language issues, I would still have
difficulty in working efficiently.

  For example, if developing software for China, how many mistakes would I
make because I read left to right and top to bottom?  My head has been
programmed to work that way over 40 years and it's not something I'd unlearn
overnight. 

  Granted this is all starting to change with a global economy, but there
are still fundamental differences in the way people in different nations get
things done.

  Hiring a developer half way around the world to develop a complex piece of
software in my book is just asking for trouble. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
Jim,

That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He 
most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune 
but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of 
others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his own...

> Folks overseas don't really understand how
> we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)

I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - just

to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.

Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.

People do business very similarly these days all around the World, 
especially in IT.
The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on the

East.
But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern 
professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them. 
Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular 
professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom 
software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in 
"embryonic" state here.
They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high 
as there but not bad at all.
And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only 
grows.

The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in average

in the West Europe as I have seen.
The level of failures in very high.
Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" started

when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last 
forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it 
what creates demand on low cost IT labor.

I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including 
Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding 
"dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years 
ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. The 
situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still have 
to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living 
level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I 
wanted from this life most of all...

The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for 
projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not 
only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around 
the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they 
are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....

The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour. 
They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this 
(30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because to 
compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual companies

have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact the

local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you are 
needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I 
think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...

And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work done 
there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be paid 
your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as 
there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work 
off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the 
current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good enough 
go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...

When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages 
then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers 
leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have 
seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe, 
they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of their 
developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Eric,
>
>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and 
> the
> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand 
> how
> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
> were just trash because of this.
>
>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>
>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>
> Jim.
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr  7 18:06:43 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:06:43 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A4A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004601c65a97$ff9675d0$6501a8c0@Nant>

> It isn't the offshore competition that threatens us, it's the idiots who
> look for bargains without understanding what they're buying.
This is what I meant also, Charlotte.

"Avaricious pays twice" - famous Russian proverb - you should have something
like that there too as far as I may guess.

One of the first Wiseman fairy tails Russian children get acquainted with is
a "Fairy tail about a priest and his worker Balda(Stupidman)" - this is a
poetry fairy tail by A.S.Puskin - it has very good Russian poetic language
etc. - this is a story about a priest who hired Balda to work for him "for
three clicks into his forehead" - the end result was that priest lost his
mind when "executed" by Balda with these three clicks"...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Shamil,
>
> I don't think anyone intended any criticism or disparagement of
> programmers in other countries.  All our ire was poured out on the idiot
> who thought he could replace an on-the-spot programmer with someone
> several thousand miles away who may not speak the same first language
> and then expect the only difference to be price.  That's why we
> carefully kept the quotes around "east Indian", since it was obviously
> just a category for offshore programming.  With the right specs and good
> understanding, there's no reason offshore programmers can't do the  same
> quality job as local could.  The gotcha in that is that clients can't
> write adequate specs, so they're going to get junk, no matter how much
> they pay.
>
> It isn't the offshore competition that threatens us, it's the idiots who
> look for bargains without understanding what they're buying.
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue.
> He most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a
> fortune but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on
> overexploitation of others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave
> him to go on his own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread -
> just to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on
> the East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on
> custom software development for middle-/small-businesses, which
> themselves are in "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as
> high as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in
> average in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis"
> started when the first programming language was created  and it will
> probably last forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long
> time to solve it what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of
> years ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family
> well. The situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but
> I still have to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep
> the same living level as before. And I can't say this "endless working
> marathon" is what I wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all
> around the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and
> Canada - they are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently
> 30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because
> to compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual
> companies have to be created and to manage these companies, to
> effectively contact the local customers over there experienced managers
> and developers like you are needed. There are not that much people like
> that there as far as I see - I think you can feel safe, at least while
> your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work
> done there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll
> be paid your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the
> same as there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to
> work off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of
> the current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good
> enough go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy
> developers leaving this country in searching for the better life over
> there. I have seen/visited such companies here - they state they are
> great, well, maybe, they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have
> to see the eyes of their developers, many of them are so sad and
> hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking
> and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really
> understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas
> that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
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From dajomigo at tpg.com.au  Fri Apr  7 18:30:38 2006
From: dajomigo at tpg.com.au (David & Joanne Gould)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:30:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
References: <009601c658ef$5ee63110$6501a8c0@Nant> <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060408092629.01e56440@mail.tpg.com.au>

Jim

This is not unique to the IT industry. 25 years ago my partner was being 
spun a similar line in freelance editing and publishing for the educational 
and business sectors. The professional association suggested the standard 
ethical response should be "We cannot possibly match those conditions and 
do a good job. Please feel free to accept the other offer. We have no doubt 
that for a short while you will be pleased with the result, however over 
time you will find the high quality and reputation of your business will no 
doubt suffer."

The follow up action would be that the association would advise freelancers 
and contractors of the businesses that accepted such low quotes as an alert 
to business ethics.

Good Luck

David Gould
DG Solutions

At 12:41 AM 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>These are interesting times.
>
>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>had not negotiated a price.
>
>The client presented the young programmer with his position.
>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.
>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
>company.
>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
>that he should try and support local talent.
>
>.. and a rider..
>
>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
>Jim
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr  7 18:55:50 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:55:50 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <E1FRzmD-0006rs-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c65a9e$ce19fca0$6501a8c0@Nant>

> but about the process by which things get done, how people
> perceive things, and how they communicate.  .
Jim,

These processes are becoming more and more similar everywhere - believe me.

> That all affects the process
> flow, software design, and development effort
True, but partially, there are more conceptual things in business processes, 
which are invariant all around the World.
I'm reading here currently Allan Cooper "About Face 2.0" (another his famous 
book "The inmates are running the asylum") - this is a book how modern 
software interfaces should be designed and developed - of course if one 
reads/writes right to left then the software interface should differ in that 
area but that's all probably.

Software like CRM may still differ considerably because local habits and 
behaviors in different places on this small planet are rather different but 
the ways of handling business and software for modern small-/middle- size 
and especially corporate level businesses are quickly getting unified...

> there are still fundamental differences in the way people in different
> nations get things done.
Jim, I think, there is no such fundamental differences - we're very much 
alike, believe me or not.
Communism/totalitarism here and in the countries influenced by it created 
some of still existing current differences in life level.
Colonialism of the 19th and the first part of 20th century created the 
differences we still have between the West and the "free from communistic 
heritage/influence" Latin America, Asia and Africa

When first time on the West in 1995 in Germany (Hamburg) I was so surprised 
how ineffectively they have organized their business, how chaotic, hectic 
and stressful their life is - the first my open question was: "How it comes 
that in this situation they have so high average life level?" - the simple 
answer come from one of my colleague who was originally from Russia and who 
lived in Germany by that time for many years and who had a German by 
nationality wife and kids - he said: "We in Germany have 8% of population 
working hard and effectively, you there in Russia have 4% - these 4% make 
all the difference". I believed him that time and the more I see the more 
I'm getting convinced that he was very true. The current differences are 
historical heritage but this World's countries are very quickly getting 
their 8% of active population working hard and in another 50 years or less 
all the differences in the life level should disappear by the wealth created 
by these 8% of World's active population....

Well, there are some rather important fundamental differences between the 
West and the East workstyles I think:

- Western people rarely start working without (at least rough) planning of 
what they will do and if they plan something then they rather strictly 
follow this plan and "fight till the end" - Eastern people often start and 
go "nowhere" without clear plans, with often changing minds etc;
- another fundamental difference is IMO that Western people do invest 
significant time and resources into environment/business infrastructure even 
before they start the real business - and Eastern people can make their 
business without such preparations and the absence of such preparations 
plays very bad in long run...

And of course the most fundamental difference is that a human being's life 
is "dirt cheap" here and priceless there...

But, once again, software programming for business applications is very much 
alike here and there - this observation comes from my real life experience 
in programming for businesses and in communicating with customers here and 
there....

Shamil

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From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Shamil,
>
> <<> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)>>
>
>  I do believe it is.  I notice differences even here in the US between
> North and South and East and West.  I'm not talking about how to keep a 
> set
> of books, but about the process by which things get done, how people
> perceive things, and how they communicate.  That all affects the process
> flow, software design, and development effort.
>
>  This in no way was a put down of anyone.  If I as a developer moved to
> India, Russia, or China, outside of the language issues, I would still 
> have
> difficulty in working efficiently.
>
>  For example, if developing software for China, how many mistakes would I
> make because I read left to right and top to bottom?  My head has been
> programmed to work that way over 40 years and it's not something I'd 
> unlearn
> overnight.
>
>  Granted this is all starting to change with a global economy, but there
> are still fundamental differences in the way people in different nations 
> get
> things done.
>
>  Hiring a developer half way around the world to develop a complex piece 
> of
> software in my book is just asking for trouble.
>
> Jim.
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  7 20:31:34 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:31:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <004d01c65a9e$ce19fca0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <44379F16.21178.889ACE5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 8 Apr 2006 at 3:55, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> But, once again, software programming for business applications is very much
> alike here and there - this observation comes from my real life experience
> in programming for businesses and in communicating with customers here and
> there....
> 

There is one fundamental difference between "here" and "there".  The level 
of contact between end users and developers.

If you get the programming done "there", the customer will probably get  
what he asks for.
If you get the programming done "here", the customer is far more likely to 
get what he actually wants/needs - and that is rarely what he asks for :-)





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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr  7 21:21:27 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 06:21:27 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <44379F16.21178.889ACE5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000e01c65ab3$25b19a40$6501a8c0@Nant>

> and that is rarely what he asks for :-)
Stuart,

That's the same everywhere - "make me that I don't know what" - this is the 
"mantra" of the customers of all around the World....

...and as all around the World an experienced developer may deliver this 
"something they wish" based on vague customers' requests - the more 
experienced a developer is the least "direct contact there" is needed...

...to deliver "what customers actually need" an experienced developer should 
be able to ask "right" questions to demonstrate customers by their answers 
that what they actually need is not what they were asking for originally...

Shamil

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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> On 8 Apr 2006 at 3:55, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>> But, once again, software programming for business applications is very 
>> much
>> alike here and there - this observation comes from my real life 
>> experience
>> in programming for businesses and in communicating with customers here 
>> and
>> there....
>>
>
> There is one fundamental difference between "here" and "there".  The level
> of contact between end users and developers.
>
> If you get the programming done "there", the customer will probably get
> what he asks for.
> If you get the programming done "here", the customer is far more likely to
> get what he actually wants/needs - and that is rarely what he asks for :-)
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 22:18:08 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:18:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <001101c65a92$ccd935b0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <0IXD00CQLVTCW811@l-daemon>

News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the tunnel:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200&en=
d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Jim

PS You may have to log in....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
Jim,

That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He 
most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune 
but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of 
others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his own...

> Folks overseas don't really understand how
> we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)

I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - just

to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.

Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.

People do business very similarly these days all around the World, 
especially in IT.
The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on the

East.
But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern 
professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them. 
Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular 
professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom 
software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in 
"embryonic" state here.
They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high 
as there but not bad at all.
And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only 
grows.

The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in average

in the West Europe as I have seen.
The level of failures in very high.
Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" started

when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last 
forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it 
what creates demand on low cost IT labor.

I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including 
Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding 
"dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years 
ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. The 
situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still have 
to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living 
level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I 
wanted from this life most of all...

The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for 
projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not 
only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around 
the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they 
are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....

The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour. 
They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this 
(30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because to 
compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual companies

have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact the

local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you are 
needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I 
think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...

And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work done 
there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be paid 
your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as 
there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work 
off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the 
current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good enough 
go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...

When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages 
then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers 
leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have 
seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe, 
they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of their 
developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Eric,
>
>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and 
> the
> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand 
> how
> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
> were just trash because of this.
>
>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>
>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>
> Jim.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 22:19:18 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:19:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXD00ESDGD8URA0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <0IXD0008PVVECC71@l-daemon>

Hi All:

Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
'ripped' in a couple of instances.

Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a deal
that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   

Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things in
perspective.

Jim

PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Thank you all for your suggestions. 

I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
project go if there is no agreement 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 23:09:40 2006
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:09:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <E1FRx1f-0000Ss-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c65ac2$42bc4db0$c767a8c0@amdgcda>

Jim,

That wasn't really a serious suggestion...it is Friday after all. :)

I do think that there is a mis-conception that non-US developers don't know
what they are doing and cannot deliver the same quality of software that US
developers can. As a developer it does help if the code is commented but
that is not the most important part of the code for me. Even if the comments
are in English it would still not make a whole lot of sense if the comments
were sparse or if you could not figure out exactly what the comments meant.
Most of the finest programmers after all are not good communicators since
they let the code speak for itself. Of course if your expertise happened to
be VB and you were trying to debug something in C, the difficulty would be
understandable.

The point of course is that each one of us has their level of expectation of
how much it will cost to do business. It just so happens that non-US
developers don't have the same overhead (or the need to maintain a certain
standard of living) as US developers do so they can very well afford the
"cheap rates". For countries whose average daily wage is equivalent to a cup
of Starbucks coffee, $5/hr is really good money. We just need to put things
in perspective.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Eric,

  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and the
culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand how
we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
were just trash because of this.

  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
commented with poor English or even worse, another language?

  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Jim,

Go ahead and tell him you will take on the project for $12.00 an hour and
then go back and have the East Indian programmers work on it for $5.00 per
hour turning in a $7.00 per hour "profit". 

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 23:51:32 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:51:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXD0008PVVECC71@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <44374154.3090905@shaw.ca>

Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
have a habit of doing a complete
web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
changes which may prove to be a problem.
Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
methods, like logging in with
a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
you may not be able to see the screen source.
Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
companies like e-Bay provide a free API
to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
or payment based WebService like USPS.
You could be programming against moving goalposts.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>
>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a deal
>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>
>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things in
>perspective.
>
>Jim
>
>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>
>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>project go if there is no agreement 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>These are interesting times. 
>
>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>had not negotiated a price.
>
>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
>company.
>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
>that he should try and support local talent.
>
>.. and a rider..
>
>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
>Jim  
>  
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Apr  8 02:33:04 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:33:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXD00CQLVTCW811@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <003201c65ade$c4405db0$6401a8c0@Nant>

>there is light at the end of the tunnel:
Jim,

It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian style 
joke (everybody laughed at it here):

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is 
still lasting and lasting..."

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the tunnel:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200&en=
> d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> Jim
>
> PS You may have to log in....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He
> most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune
> but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of
> others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his 
> own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - 
> just
>
> to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on 
> the
>
> East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom
> software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in
> "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high
> as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in 
> average
>
> in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" 
> started
>
> when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last
> forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it
> what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years
> ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. 
> The
> situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still 
> have
> to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living
> level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I
> wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around
> the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they
> are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because 
> to
> compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual 
> companies
>
> have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact 
> the
>
> local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you 
> are
> needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I
> think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work 
> done
> there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be 
> paid
> your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as
> there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work
> off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the
> current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good 
> enough
> go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers
> leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have
> seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe,
> they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of 
> their
> developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
> <<< tail skipped >>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr  8 03:01:25 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:01:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <003201c65ade$c4405db0$6401a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <4437FA75.28886.13AC22@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 8 Apr 2006 at 11:33, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> >there is light at the end of the tunnel:
> Jim,
> 
> It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian style
> joke (everybody laughed at it here):
> 
> "There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is
> still lasting and lasting..."
> 

As long as the light at the end of the tunnel isn't on the front of a train 
coming towards you :-)

-- 
Stuart




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Apr  8 04:52:55 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:52:55 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <4437FA75.28886.13AC22@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <002101c65af2$4755d230$6401a8c0@Nant>

> As long as the light at the end of the tunnel isn't on the front of a 
> train
> coming towards you :-)
Well, for Russia these are more probably the back lights of the leaving 
train - so the situation isn't potentially lethal, if this leaving train 
isn't the last one from the sinking Atlantis...

I have heard that Brazilians say: "We will have a bright future: it was so 
yesterday, it's so today, it will be so tomorrow..." - the same observation 
is still true for Russia...

Shamil

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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> On 8 Apr 2006 at 11:33, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>> >there is light at the end of the tunnel:
>> Jim,
>>
>> It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian 
>> style
>> joke (everybody laughed at it here):
>>
>> "There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is
>> still lasting and lasting..."
>>
>
> As long as the light at the end of the tunnel isn't on the front of a 
> train
> coming towards you :-)
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>



From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Sat Apr  8 09:40:34 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:40:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEA@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c65b1a$64f912c0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

I don't know.  I started using Access with version 2003 and I've just 
continued with that.  Also, since the Runtime is version 2003, I wasn't sure 
it would work with earlier versions.

Penn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?


> Sounds about right.  Is there a specific reason to stay with the Access 
> 2003
> format?  If you save it as an Access 2000 database, it's backwards
> compatible for several versions (until you hit Access 97).
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 4:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>
> Drew & Charlotte,
>
> Thank you for your replies.  I was thinking that was probably the case but
> didn't have all the details.
>
> Just to clarify, Drew, these are the steps as I understand them from your
> post:
>
> 1. Package Wizard the runtime without any files and put Setup.exe and 
> \files
>
> folder (but not the autorun.inf) on a CD (maybe in a \Setup folder?).
> 2. On the same CD, put the frontend *.mde and the backend *.mdb.
> 3. Send the CD to the potential client with instructions that
>    a. if they have ACC03 installed to just double clicck on the *.mde file
> (the frontend) on the CD.
>    b. if they don't have ACC03 (or maybe ACC03 runtime for some other
> reason), then they should double click on Setup.exe on the CD and after 
> the
> setup wizard completes, double clcik on the *.mde file.
>
> Note: My frontend automatically looks for the backend and if it can't find
> it, it prompts the user to locate it and then relinks.  It actually writes 
> a
>
> registry entry itself for the path to the backend as a default for the 
> next
> time when I send an updated front end.
>
> Will that work or should I put the frontend and backend together for the
> demo, do you think?
>
> What happens if they have an earlier version of Access on their machine 
> and
> they run the Setup.exe from my demo CD?  Does it get overwritten by the 03
> Runtime or do they co-exist peacefully and happily?
>
> Penn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>
>
>> An installation goes to the OS, and whatever drive it's on.  If you
>> installed software to a CD, the OS would have to read .dll's from that 
>> CD,
>> which would be pretty slow.  And, that CD wouldn't 'work' on another
>> machine, because that machine's registry wouldn't have the proper
>> settings.
>> (When you install software, only certain things go where you say you want
>> it
>> installed.  A lot of things are done in the registry and go automatically
>> into the Windows/winnt and system32 folder).
>>
>> Your best option would be to put the application on CD, along with the
>> runtime installation.  If the people you are demoing it too have Access
>> 2003, then they can just run your demo database.  If they don't have
>> Access,
>> then they install the runtime first, then run your demo.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:10 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>>
>> Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that 
>> a
>> demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the
>> CD
>> without installing anything on the user's computer?
>>
>> The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the 
>> C:\
>> drive.
>>
>> And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on 
>> their
>> computer or even Access 2003?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Penn
>>
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr  8 16:32:48 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:32:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] reader question
Message-ID: <000501c65b53$fc061cb0$c5b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

 
Does anyone know of a way to add/change the default Access icons for toolbar
buttons? I would love to use something besides the old standby
glasses/running man/arrow icons. I haven't been able to locate the resource
file to try and replace them and haven't been able to come up with an easier
solution.
 
========The above question was in response to an article I wrote on using
menu controls. I don't have an answer -- other than to build a new toolbar
and inhibit the built-in one. 
 
Susan H. 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr  8 19:36:09 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:36:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] reader question
In-Reply-To: <000501c65b53$fc061cb0$c5b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <4438E399.5952.3A25BC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 8 Apr 2006 at 17:32, Susan Harkins wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know of a way to add/change the default Access icons for toolbar
> buttons? I would love to use something besides the old standby
> glasses/running man/arrow icons. I haven't been able to locate the resource
> file to try and replace them and haven't been able to come up with an easier
> solution.
> 

It's actually quite easy:

1. Right click on the toolbar.
2. Select "Customize"
3. Right click on an Icon and you hvae three options:
a. Select "Edit Button Image" and if you are a good enough icon artist, you 
can make it anything you want.
b. Select "Change Button Image" and select one of the predefined  images
c.  Get a suitable image into you clipboard and select "Paste Button Image"

You can always undo any changes to toolbar icons with Reset Button Image

To get a suitable image into your clipboard:
If you have a collection of  icon files,  browse them with Irfanview and 
when you find the one you want, select Edit-Copy (Ctrl C).

If you want to rip an icon from another program, use ResThief to extract 
the images to separate icon files then browse them with Irfanview.

ResThief
http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm (bottom of the page)

Irfanview
http://www.irfanview.com




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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr  8 19:49:50 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:49:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] reader question
In-Reply-To: <4438E399.5952.3A25BC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000601c65b6f$82b56020$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I guess I should mention, I didn't even bother to look... I'm so ashamed. :)


Susan H. 

It's actually quite easy:

1. Right click on the toolbar.
2. Select "Customize"
3. Right click on an Icon and you hvae three options:
a. Select "Edit Button Image" and if you are a good enough icon artist, you
can make it anything you want.
b. Select "Change Button Image" and select one of the predefined  images c.
Get a suitable image into you clipboard and select "Paste Button Image"

You can always undo any changes to toolbar icons with Reset Button Image

To get a suitable image into your clipboard:
If you have a collection of  icon files,  browse them with Irfanview and
when you find the one you want, select Edit-Copy (Ctrl C).

If you want to rip an icon from another program, use ResThief to extract the
images to separate icon files then browse them with Irfanview.

ResThief
http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm (bottom of the page)

Irfanview
http://www.irfanview.com




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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr  8 19:53:41 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:53:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] reader question
In-Reply-To: <000601c65b6f$82b56020$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <000801c65b70$0c2e3f20$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I'm further ashamed to admit that I've actually written about this and used
a freeware icon editor -- but I was working with the minimized windows on
the task bar, not the toolbar -- but I still should've put the two together.
:( 



Susan H. 

I guess I should mention, I didn't even bother to look... I'm so ashamed. :)


It's actually quite easy:

1. Right click on the toolbar.
2. Select "Customize"
3. Right click on an Icon and you hvae three options:
a. Select "Edit Button Image" and if you are a good enough icon artist, you
can make it anything you want.
b. Select "Change Button Image" and select one of the predefined  images c.
Get a suitable image into you clipboard and select "Paste Button Image"

You can always undo any changes to toolbar icons with Reset Button Image

To get a suitable image into your clipboard:
If you have a collection of  icon files,  browse them with Irfanview and
when you find the one you want, select Edit-Copy (Ctrl C).

If you want to rip an icon from another program, use ResThief to extract the
images to separate icon files then browse them with Irfanview.

ResThief
http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm (bottom of the page)

Irfanview
http://www.irfanview.com




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  8 23:10:36 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:10:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <44374154.3090905@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0IXF009XLSWRAEB0@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen scrapping.
This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and maybe
move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed are
ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as possible.

So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would be
more than glad to hear them.

Thanks
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
have a habit of doing a complete
web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
changes which may prove to be a problem.
Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
methods, like logging in with
a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
you may not be able to see the screen source.
Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
companies like e-Bay provide a free API
to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
or payment based WebService like USPS.
You could be programming against moving goalposts.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>
>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
deal
>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>
>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things in
>perspective.
>
>Jim
>
>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>
>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>project go if there is no agreement 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>These are interesting times. 
>
>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
'screen
>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>had not negotiated a price.
>
>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
>company.
>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
felt
>that he should try and support local talent.
>
>.. and a rider..
>
>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
>Jim  
>  
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  8 23:16:57 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:16:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <003201c65ade$c4405db0$6401a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <0IXF0092KT7BAEC0@l-daemon>

Shamil:

...Or there is a saying that; "There is light at the end of the tunnel but
is it a train coming."

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 12:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>there is light at the end of the tunnel:
Jim,

It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian style 
joke (everybody laughed at it here):

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is 
still lasting and lasting..."

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the tunnel:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200&en=
> d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> Jim
>
> PS You may have to log in....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He
> most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune
> but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of
> others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his 
> own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - 
> just
>
> to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on 
> the
>
> East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom
> software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in
> "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high
> as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in 
> average
>
> in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" 
> started
>
> when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last
> forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it
> what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years
> ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. 
> The
> situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still 
> have
> to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living
> level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I
> wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around
> the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they
> are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because 
> to
> compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual 
> companies
>
> have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact 
> the
>
> local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you 
> are
> needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I
> think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work 
> done
> there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be 
> paid
> your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as
> there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work
> off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the
> current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good 
> enough
> go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers
> leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have
> seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe,
> they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of 
> their
> developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
> <<< tail skipped >>>
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Apr  8 23:44:49 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:44:49 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A49@INFOSERVER04.infost
	at.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060409164313.01a59c38@dalyn.co.nz>

Fortunately the leads were ok.  I think the surgeon was a bit rough 
because he was missing out on his lunch hour :-(

At 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>Sounds like they replaced your leads as well as the unit itself.  I got
>off lightly this time, they just unzipped my chest pocket and clipped in
>a new pacer, no need to replace any of the wiring.  I felt pretty seedy
>for a week, but you will feel much better with a lot of rest ... And no
>early morning/late night programming! LOL
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:11 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
>
>Dear all,
>
>Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn up
>to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old one -
>too much late night/early morning programming).
>
>Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a
>sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging
>that was going on during the operation).
>
>Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.
>
>David



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Apr  8 23:47:24 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:47:24 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
 Vi	ews
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEC@main2.marlow.com>
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060409164549.01b45480@dalyn.co.nz>

Haven't had a chance to check out the new operating system - just 
hoping I don't see any blue screens of death in front of my eyes 
(Microsoft aren't yet into programming pacemakers are they?)

David

At 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>Glad everything went okay.  Charlotte got a replacement a while ago, but she
>said USB wasn't available in the new models.....how about now?  They have to
>have at least put Bluetooth in these things by now, you can't buy a set of
>headphones without Bluetooth options... ;)
>
>Drew



From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  9 10:23:24 2006
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:23:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
Message-ID: <000b01c65be9$8bcb4560$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection
which makes computer time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on
my various attempts as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net

 



From spikee at oatlandspark.org.uk  Sun Apr  9 10:34:41 2006
From: spikee at oatlandspark.org.uk (Chris Foote (Spike))
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:34:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
In-Reply-To: <000b01c65be9$8bcb4560$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <200604091535.k39FZ4313467@databaseadvisors.com>

Good luck with clearing the infection Joe!

See you back here soon!

Best regards
Chris Foote

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: 09 April 2006 16:23
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection which makes
computer time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on my various
attempts as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  9 14:01:01 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:01:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXF009XLSWRAEB0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <443959ED.2030409@shaw.ca>

Well here are tools that you may have to use, if you get stuck.
TCPTrace, YATT or PcapTrace are essentially tools that log everything 
going back and forth on the wire.
I had to use on an amazon uk bookstore site when they weren't giving me 
enough info
and they were making initial development mistakes. Useful, if they are 
throwing things
like logging or session cookies at you, without telling you.
Simon Fell is generally about 6 months ahead of microsoft, especially 
with SOAP development.
http://www.pocketsoap.com/yatt/

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen scrapping.
>This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
>the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and maybe
>move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
>viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed are
>ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as possible.
>
>So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would be
>more than glad to hear them.
>
>Thanks
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
>have a habit of doing a complete
>web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
>changes which may prove to be a problem.
>Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
>methods, like logging in with
>a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
>you may not be able to see the screen source.
>Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
>companies like e-Bay provide a free API
>to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
>for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
>Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
>or payment based WebService like USPS.
>You could be programming against moving goalposts.
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>>
>>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
>>    
>>
>deal
>  
>
>>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>>
>>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things in
>>perspective.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>>
>>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>>project go if there is no agreement 
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>These are interesting times. 
>>
>>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>>
>>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
>>    
>>
>'screen
>  
>
>>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
>>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>>had not negotiated a price.
>>
>>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
>>company.
>>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
>>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
>>    
>>
>felt
>  
>
>>that he should try and support local talent.
>>
>>.. and a rider..
>>
>>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>>
>>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>>
>>Jim  
>> 
>>
>>    
>>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Apr  9 14:08:41 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:08:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
References: <0IXF009XLSWRAEB0@l-daemon> <443959ED.2030409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820E3@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms where there was none before. Anyone any idea what could be causing this.
 
Happens on almost all forms.
 
Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  9 14:59:30 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:59:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
In-Reply-To: <000b01c65be9$8bcb4560$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <0IXH00BK20U64KH0@l-daemon>

Hi Joe:

Sorry to hear that. 

As this is a list you could always have a reader to read list items. (Just a
thought.) 

Rest if you can and we shall look forward to hearing from you soon.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection
which makes computer time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on
my various attempts as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  9 15:46:49 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:46:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <443959ED.2030409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0IXH0016N311X300@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Thanks for the info. The YATT looks like a great tool. 

Our programmer has a sample site that is working without using a
purchased/rented API. Hopefully the API the client is paying for works as
well and has as much functionality. (Will have to get up to speed in SOAP as
I am still at the functional level with XML; time to hit the W3C pages).

If you have any further thoughts or recommendations it would all be greatly
appreciated.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Well here are tools that you may have to use, if you get stuck.
TCPTrace, YATT or PcapTrace are essentially tools that log everything 
going back and forth on the wire.
I had to use on an amazon uk bookstore site when they weren't giving me 
enough info
and they were making initial development mistakes. Useful, if they are 
throwing things
like logging or session cookies at you, without telling you.
Simon Fell is generally about 6 months ahead of microsoft, especially 
with SOAP development.
http://www.pocketsoap.com/yatt/

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen scrapping.
>This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
>the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and maybe
>move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
>viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed
are
>ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as possible.
>
>So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would be
>more than glad to hear them.
>
>Thanks
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
>have a habit of doing a complete
>web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
>changes which may prove to be a problem.
>Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
>methods, like logging in with
>a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
>you may not be able to see the screen source.
>Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
>companies like e-Bay provide a free API
>to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
>for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
>Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
>or payment based WebService like USPS.
>You could be programming against moving goalposts.
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>>
>>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
>>    
>>
>deal
>  
>
>>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>>
>>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things
in
>>perspective.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>>
>>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>>project go if there is no agreement 
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>These are interesting times. 
>>
>>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>>
>>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
>>    
>>
>'screen
>  
>
>>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list
of
>>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>>had not negotiated a price.
>>
>>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
the
>>company.
>>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
two
>>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
>>    
>>
>felt
>  
>
>>that he should try and support local talent.
>>
>>.. and a rider..
>>
>>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>>
>>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>>
>>Jim  
>> 
>>
>>    
>>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Sun Apr  9 17:09:55 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:09:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
In-Reply-To: <200604091535.k39FZ4313467@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20060409221035.QSHN17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Good luck Joe

You're in our prayers

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: 09 April 2006 16:23
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection which makes computer
time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on my various attempts
as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net


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From vchas at comcast.net  Sun Apr  9 20:17:16 2006
From: vchas at comcast.net (Vinnie Chas)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:17:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820E3@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <009c01c65c3c$81c6cb40$014bbd43@flagg>

Hi Martin ,
Check out http://allenbrowne.com/ser-46.html

HTH 
Vinnie Chas
www.vinniechas.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker

All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms where there was
none before. Anyone any idea what could be causing this.
 
Happens on almost all forms.
 
Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 



From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Apr 10 02:11:09 2006
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:11:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on
	Reportbasedon dynamic crosstab query
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A4A51@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <000201c65c71$93958f70$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Ken,
perfect!!! Many thanks for the solution, have a nice week,
    Ervin
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on 
Reportbasedon dynamic crosstab query


>
> Ervin,
>
> How about something like:
>
>    txtBox1.ControlSource =
> db.QueryDefs("qryCroRealPrPred").Fields(1).Name
>
> -Ken
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Apr 10 06:46:10 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:46:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447FB@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Good luck Joe.  See you when you're back. 


Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection which makes
computer time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on my various
attempts as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net

 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Apr 10 08:24:30 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (bchacc at san.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:24:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
Message-ID: <380-220064110132430125@M2W126.mail2web.com>

Martin:

I got this on tab controls where labels were not associated with text
boxes.  I got the flick as the mouse rolled over the controls.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:08:41 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker


All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms where there
was none before. Anyone any idea what could be causing this.
 
Happens on almost all forms.
 
Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Apr 10 08:26:34 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:26:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
References: <380-220064110132430125@M2W126.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820F5@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Thanks rocky
 
Am doing major demo and its driving me nuts.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of bchacc at san.rr.com
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 14:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Screen Flicker



Martin:

I got this on tab controls where labels were not associated with text
boxes.  I got the flick as the mouse rolled over the controls.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:08:41 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker


All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms where there
was none before. Anyone any idea what could be causing this.

Happens on almost all forms.

Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.


Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 10 08:35:00 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:35:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <000b01c65ca3$91e868f0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Apr 10 08:46:11 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:46:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8B089@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Have you tried going into the Device manager and asking it to scan for new
hardware? Just a long shot.

Lambert

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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter


I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

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From marcus at tsstech.com  Mon Apr 10 09:31:45 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:31:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A27@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that
mode. Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program
provided by the manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the
middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue
and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I
could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the
device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that
to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows
all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new
drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 10 11:08:14 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:08:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
	Vi	ews
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A61@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

What?  You haven't downloaded your service pack yet?? LOL 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
Vi ews

Haven't had a chance to check out the new operating system - just hoping
I don't see any blue screens of death in front of my eyes (Microsoft
aren't yet into programming pacemakers are they?)

David

At 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>Glad everything went okay.  Charlotte got a replacement a while ago, 
>but she said USB wasn't available in the new models.....how about now?

>They have to have at least put Bluetooth in these things by now, you 
>can't buy a set of headphones without Bluetooth options... ;)
>
>Drew

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 10 11:16:08 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:16:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A62@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Over here, the light at the end of a tunnel is quite often an oncoming
train! 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 12:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>there is light at the end of the tunnel:
Jim,

It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian
style joke (everybody laughed at it here):

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is
still lasting and lasting..."

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the
tunnel:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200
&en=
> d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> Jim
>
> PS You may have to log in....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this
issue. He
> most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a
fortune
> but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on
overexploitation of
> others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his 
> own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread
- 
> just
>
> to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower
on 
> the
>
> East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on
custom
> software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves
are in
> "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as
high
> as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and
only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in 
> average
>
> in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" 
> started
>
> when the first programming language was created  and it will probably
last
> forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to
solve it
> what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans"
(including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by
bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of
years
> ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family
well. 
> The
> situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still

> have
> to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same
living
> level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is
what I
> wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are
not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all
around
> the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada -
they
> are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently
30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt
this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed
because 
> to
> compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual 
> companies
>
> have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively
contact 
> the
>
> local customers over there experienced managers and developers like
you 
> are
> needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see
- I
> think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work

> done
> there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be

> paid
> your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same
as
> there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work
> off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the
> current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good 
> enough
> go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low
wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy
developers
> leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I
have
> seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well,
maybe,
> they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of 
> their
> developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking
and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really
understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas
that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
> <<< tail skipped >>>
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From MEC at stowers-institute.org  Mon Apr 10 11:28:15 2006
From: MEC at stowers-institute.org (Cook, Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:28:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
Message-ID: <CED81D34E37D5043A1211565277A51E504D2DE8A@exchkc02.stowers-institute.org>

do youhave conditional formatting turned on? 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
>Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:09 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
>
>All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms 
>where there was none before. Anyone any idea what could be 
>causing this.
> 
>Happens on almost all forms.
> 
>Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.
> 
> 
>Martin
> 
>Martin WP Reid
>Training and Assessment Unit
>Riddle Hall
>Belfast
> 
>tel: 02890 974477
> 
> 
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 10 11:29:48 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:29:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000b01c65ca3$91e868f0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXI0093PLSMBA10@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Is your video card built onto the mother board? The most popular video
drivers used with both in ASUS and GIGABYTE, amount others, is the
all-in-one NVIDIA driver set. You can just cross-reference your mother board
on line and download the entire superset at
http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp. The whole installation is
auto-detect and straight-forward.

HTH
Jim
  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 10 12:35:20 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXH0016N311X300@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <443A9758.8070007@shaw.ca>

Take this with the caveat, I have not touched any SOAP in six months.
Whether this stuff below may cause you problems, I don't know
but here is what you may run into.

If you are going to do anything complex in SOAP, you are going to have 
to make a design decision.
You could use VB6 and/or  Access with SOAP but the Microsoft SOAP 
Toolkit that made it easier
 at one time has been deprecated by the .NET Framework.  July 2004
Maybe MS force play to use .Net. Access 2003 Web Services will generally 
work with
the MS .Net Servers of WebServices and build the proper proxy SOAP classes
but it may get into problems on Web Services  built with say Java and 
Apache.
This is what I don't know.  It is generally referred  to as the "SOAP 
Interop" problem.
If you run into it, here is a possible workaround.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/webservices/building/soaptk/default.aspx

I could once write basic SOAP xml and throw it at a WSDL file through 
Access but it has become
more complicated. What I did about two years ago was use open source 
PocketSoap Toolkit and
then the WSDL Wizard for PocketSOAP 2.3.0 to run from Access 97.
http://www.pocketsoap.com/wsdl/wsdl2.aspx

The wizard contains support for generating proxies for rpc/encoded and 
document/literal services,
complexTypes and custom serializers for those types are constructued 
from the WSDL and XSD schema information.
The proxy object is generated in form of a VB6 project, I just grab the 
classes into Access 2003.
You can also put into a COM dll and call that.

So your choice maybe use Access/VB with Pocket Soap or other 3'd party 
toolkit or go to .Net or gasp Java.

One of the major problems I had was with so called "SOAP Interop", Web 
servers like Apache and Tomcat
had completely different ideas on the SOAP standard. I think it is 
finally straightened out but ...

One problem being by default Web Services built with ASP.NET, default to 
a style of SOAP called document/literal.
PocketSOAP by default uses a different style of SOAP called RPC/Encoded 
as does Apache/Tomcat based ones.
You can either switch your ASP.NET service to RPC/Encoded mode by using 
the SoapRpcMethod attribute,
or alternatively, you can alter your PocketSOAP code to use 
document/literal style mess.

The Linux servers Web Services had all sorts of weird stuff that 
consequently got into problems when people
started using the Soap Standards Section 5 encoding model, including 
arrays, sparse arrays, partial arrays,
unsized arrays, nil's, complex types and simple types. ie things like 
passing VB6 objects or binary jpegs.
This wasn't touched upon in the first years of SOAP.
This doesn't touch other quirks, like in HTTP 1.1 transport including 
support for
SSL, proxy servers, basic authentication, proxy server authentication, 
redirects,
 session cookies and compression.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Thanks for the info. The YATT looks like a great tool. 
>
>Our programmer has a sample site that is working without using a
>purchased/rented API. Hopefully the API the client is paying for works as
>well and has as much functionality. (Will have to get up to speed in SOAP as
>I am still at the functional level with XML; time to hit the W3C pages).
>
>If you have any further thoughts or recommendations it would all be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:01 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Well here are tools that you may have to use, if you get stuck.
>TCPTrace, YATT or PcapTrace are essentially tools that log everything 
>going back and forth on the wire.
>I had to use on an amazon uk bookstore site when they weren't giving me 
>enough info
>and they were making initial development mistakes. Useful, if they are 
>throwing things
>like logging or session cookies at you, without telling you.
>Simon Fell is generally about 6 months ahead of microsoft, especially 
>with SOAP development.
>http://www.pocketsoap.com/yatt/
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen scrapping.
>>This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
>>the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and maybe
>>move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
>>viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed
>>    
>>
>are
>  
>
>>ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as possible.
>>
>>So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would be
>>more than glad to hear them.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Jim 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
>>have a habit of doing a complete
>>web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
>>changes which may prove to be a problem.
>>Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
>>methods, like logging in with
>>a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
>>you may not be able to see the screen source.
>>Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
>>companies like e-Bay provide a free API
>>to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
>>for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
>>Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
>>or payment based WebService like USPS.
>>You could be programming against moving goalposts.
>>
>>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi All:
>>>
>>>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>>>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>>>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>>>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>>>
>>>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>deal
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>>>
>>>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things
>>>      
>>>
>in
>  
>
>>>perspective.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>>
>>>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>>>
>>>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>>>project go if there is no agreement 
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>>
>>>These are interesting times. 
>>>
>>>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>>>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>>>
>>>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>'screen
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list
>>>      
>>>
>of
>  
>
>>>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>>>had not negotiated a price.
>>>
>>>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>>>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>>>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
>>>      
>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>company.
>>>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
>>>      
>>>
>two
>  
>
>>>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>felt
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>that he should try and support local talent.
>>>
>>>.. and a rider..
>>>
>>>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>>>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>>>
>>>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>>>
>>>Jim  
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>

-- 
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From max at sherman.org.uk  Mon Apr 10 13:48:52 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:48:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWZt4UlhGRNs4nf35oT6aQk7yIA
Message-ID: <000001c65ccf$6ac2e120$dd6b1152@Max>

And here it means "I see a light at the end of the tunnel, but it always
turns out to be a man with a torch coming to give me more work..."

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 10 April 2006 17:16
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Over here, the light at the end of a tunnel is quite often an oncoming
train! 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 12:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>there is light at the end of the tunnel:
Jim,

It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian
style joke (everybody laughed at it here):

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is
still lasting and lasting..."

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the
tunnel:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200
&en=
> d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> Jim
>
> PS You may have to log in....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this
issue. He
> most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a
fortune
> but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on
overexploitation of
> others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his 
> own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread
- 
> just
>
> to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower
on 
> the
>
> East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on
custom
> software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves
are in
> "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as
high
> as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and
only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in 
> average
>
> in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" 
> started
>
> when the first programming language was created  and it will probably
last
> forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to
solve it
> what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans"
(including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by
bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of
years
> ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family
well. 
> The
> situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still

> have
> to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same
living
> level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is
what I
> wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are
not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all
around
> the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada -
they
> are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently
30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt
this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed
because 
> to
> compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual 
> companies
>
> have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively
contact 
> the
>
> local customers over there experienced managers and developers like
you 
> are
> needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see
- I
> think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work

> done
> there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be

> paid
> your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same
as
> there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work
> off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the
> current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good 
> enough
> go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low
wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy
developers
> leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I
have
> seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well,
maybe,
> they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of 
> their
> developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking
and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really
understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas
that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
> <<< tail skipped >>>
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 10 16:39:43 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:39:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8B089@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c65ce7$48ba2f80$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yep, nothing found

:( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Have you tried going into the Device manager and asking it to scan for new
hardware? Just a long shot.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter


I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 10 16:43:27 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:43:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A27@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <002f01c65ce7$cda792f0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode. Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.  It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 10 17:16:42 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:16:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Academia still using Card Indexes
Message-ID: <443B65EA.29702.795E05C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

"Makes you think. And one thing it makes me think is that there are still 
unexplored opportunities for database specialists out there."

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/04/10/henslow_darwin_sqlserver/

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 10 17:53:01 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:53:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Academia still using Card Indexes
In-Reply-To: <443B65EA.29702.795E05C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0IXJ0018M3JBONH0@l-daemon>

Hi Stuart:

Seems so.

Jim

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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Academia still using Card Indexes

"Makes you think. And one thing it makes me think is that there are still 
unexplored opportunities for database specialists out there."

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/04/10/henslow_darwin_sqlserver/

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Apr 10 19:06:35 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:06:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXD0008PVVECC71@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <00e501c65cfb$cd4c1560$6601a8c0@office>

With the greatest of respect to you Jim, I would still be worried about 
working with someone who could even contemplate going with a distant 
programmer who speaks another native language. There is so much in that that 
would concern me....

I wish you luck....
Kath



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Hi All:
>
> Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
> out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
> live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
> 'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>
> Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a 
> deal
> that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.
>
> Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things 
> in
> perspective.
>
> Jim
>
> PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
> Thank you all for your suggestions.
>
> I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
> project go if there is no agreement
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
> These are interesting times.
>
> Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
> client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
> The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 
> 'screen
> scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list 
> of
> the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
> had not negotiated a price.
>
> The client presented the young programmer with his position.
> First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.
> Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through 
> the
> company.
> Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had 
> two
> 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but 
> felt
> that he should try and support local talent.
>
> .. and a rider..
>
> The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
> again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
> I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
> Jim
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 10 19:47:38 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:47:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Academia still using Card Indexes
References: <443B65EA.29702.795E05C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <443AFCAA.1010108@shaw.ca>

I had a chuckle about this.

"These days, wed photograph the plants and store them in an electronic 
database as an extended datatype (although whether recreating the 
database from a set of CDs in a box in a cupboard some 150 years later 
would be as feasible as recreating Henslows work is moot). But perhaps 
we wouldnt."

Well, I once had to look at early 19'th century legal records that had 
to be entered into a database that were contained
in tin boxes in the dungeons of an old fort on St Lucia in the Caribbean.
It turned out the dungeons were old slave pens and the tin boxes to keep 
the rats from eating them.
I was very careful examining them and carried a large flashlight and hammer.

By the way it was Captain Beaufort (of wind scale fame) who asked 
Henslow for someone
to accompany the Beagle's expedition.


Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>"Makes you think. And one thing it makes me think is that there are still 
>unexplored opportunities for database specialists out there."
>
>http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/04/10/henslow_darwin_sqlserver/
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Apr 10 21:43:26 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:43:26 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0604071441g4a08da14q19bb054a7596c95f@mail.gmail.co
 m>
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	<b874372a0604051529n18e502cdq2e6f9941c51f8e2b@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear All,

The problem was solved by storing the data from the view that caused 
the problem into a temporary table, then basing the main procedure on 
the new table.

Thanks all for your help.

David

At 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>Yikes,
>    This query was tough on you.  I hope you get better soon!
>
>On 4/7/06, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn
> > up to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old
> > one - too much late night/early morning programming).
> >
> > Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a
> > sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging
> > that was going on during the operation).
> >
> > Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.
> >
> > David
> >
> > At 6/04/2006, you wrote:
> > >If this is a very busy table you can generally use table hints to
> > >prevent locking the table, and is generally very fast, simplay add a
> > >WITH(NOLOCK) at the end of your table names (not variable tables).
> > >
> > >
> > >On 4/5/06, David Lewis <DavidL at sierranevada.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, there is a lot there to begin to look through...
> > > >
> > > > One thing that sticks out is the
> > > >
> > > > "SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT"   in the underlying view.  Remove that and the
> > > > "ORDER BY" clause and you will do much to streamline the execution of
> > > > the view.  Also consider making as many of the queries covered as
> > > > possible by either adding indexes or removing columns from the views
> > > > that are not needed in the final query.
> > > >
> > > > I am not very experienced with streamline execution plans by optimizing
> > > > joins, but I do try to read what comes my way and I have read that all
> > > > joins are NOT created equal.  Because your joins are 
> relatively complex,
> > > > it may be that there is much to do in that area.  When I find a good
> > > > reference I will pass it on...
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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From viner at EUnet.yu  Tue Apr 11 04:03:14 2006
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:03:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on
	Reportbasedon dynamic crosstab query
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A4A51@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <001001c65d46$f19b2b90$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Hi,
Ken's solution(code in the Open event of the report) was good yesterday, but 
today I do some modification in code for report header and he's solution 
doesn't work yet. After a couple of hours of pulling my hair out I'll kindly 
ask if somebody want my demo to check my 15-20 of lines of VBA code...
Thanks in advance,
    Ervin
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on 
Reportbasedon dynamic crosstab query


>
> Ervin,
>
> How about something like:
>
>    txtBox1.ControlSource =
> db.QueryDefs("qryCroRealPrPred").Fields(1).Name
>
> -Ken
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From marcus at tsstech.com  Tue Apr 11 06:15:51 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:15:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A2C@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to
run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display
Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will
be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or
something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that
mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by
the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the
middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue
and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I
could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the
device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that
to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows
all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new
drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 07:01:29 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:01:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
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Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 07:53:13 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <BAY114-F27AD6CE82550A8B744C3799ACD0@phx.gbl>

I'm trying to trim my dataset in Access so that I drop the top 10% of the 
data as well as the bottom 10% of the data so that I can get rid of 
extraneous values that may skew the results.  I know that in excel, I can 
use the trimmean function to do this.

Can't find an equivalent in Access.  Any Suggestions?



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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr 11 08:13:20 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:13:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403444AA5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Julie,

I don't know if Access has a function like that but I believe you can
always add a reference to Excel and use those built-in functions from
Access.


Jim DeMarco

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Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access

I'm trying to trim my dataset in Access so that I drop the top 10% of
the data as well as the bottom 10% of the data so that I can get rid of
extraneous values that may skew the results.  I know that in excel, I
can use the trimmean function to do this.

Can't find an equivalent in Access.  Any Suggestions?



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Fax: 315.785.0323
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 08:21:53 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:21:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1354@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Well there may be more elegant ways, but you can do this with two queries.
The first one sorts ascending on the appropriate field(s) and you set it to
return the top 90%. Then you use this query as the data source for the
second query. It sorts descending and you set it to return the top 91% which
should leave you with the middle 90% sample.

HTH

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access


I'm trying to trim my dataset in Access so that I drop the top 10% of the 
data as well as the bottom 10% of the data so that I can get rid of 
extraneous values that may skew the results.  I know that in excel, I can 
use the trimmean function to do this.

Can't find an equivalent in Access.  Any Suggestions?



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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 08:31:48 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:31:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1354@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F26F299DF1C8D62A33EA62D9ACD0@phx.gbl>

Thank you Lambert and Jim.   I was trying to use aggregate functions similar 
to the following formula that I have used in the past in Excel:

=(SUM(A1:A5)-MIN(A1:A5)-MAX(A1:A5))/MAX(1,COUNT(A1:A5)-2)

and was having some trouble with getting the system to do what I need.

Thank you for your help.  Thought maybe there was a function that I didn't 
know about.

Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
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From JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov  Tue Apr 11 09:15:46 2006
From: JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov (JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:15:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <003801c65d5f$ab8404b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <OF637624A9.F5B76B27-ON8625714D.004DC17F-8625714D.004E284D@ci.lincoln.ne.us>


I missed the beginning of this thread so I assume that you have a display
adapter built into the motherboard.  If you have a CD for the motherboard,
it's setup program will allow you to configure the display adapter.  It
should then show up in Device Manager.

Hope that helps.

Jim Hicks




                                                                           
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Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com






From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Apr 11 09:17:10 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:17:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D13BE@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

On further thinking about this, if you go the two query route then you
should of specify that you want the top 88% in the second query which will
leave you with the middle 80% of the whole data set.

Lambert

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Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access


Thank you Lambert and Jim.   I was trying to use aggregate functions similar

to the following formula that I have used in the past in Excel:

=(SUM(A1:A5)-MIN(A1:A5)-MAX(A1:A5))/MAX(1,COUNT(A1:A5)-2)

and was having some trouble with getting the system to do what I need.

Thank you for your help.  Thought maybe there was a function that I didn't 
know about.

Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 09:31:04 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:31:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <OF637624A9.F5B76B27-ON8625714D.004DC17F-8625714D.004E284D@ci.lincoln.ne.us>
Message-ID: <004c01c65d74$92004ac0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

It does, I do and it doesn't.  The setup errors out telling me to first set
up the adapter in VGA mode.  There IS NO ADAPTER visible and modifiable in
Windows and therefore I can't do anything to it.  Since I can't even see the
display adapter, I can't set it up in VGA mode, and the setup just fails.

John W. Colby
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JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter


I missed the beginning of this thread so I assume that you have a display
adapter built into the motherboard.  If you have a CD for the motherboard,
it's setup program will allow you to configure the display adapter.  It
should then show up in Device Manager.

Hope that helps.

Jim Hicks




                                                                           
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Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 09:45:02 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:45:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D13BE@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F132D5B31578A1FF8555D059ACD0@phx.gbl>

Hi Lambert,

What is your thinking on this?  Can you explain?



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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Apr 11 09:45:53 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:45:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Developer looking for Work
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C67E@dewey.Symphony.local>

 
The discussion on the per-unit-cost thread reminded me that we had a
superb Access developer on staff the last couple of years whose first
language was Chinese.  She came here to get her master's degree while
her husband was here getting his PhD.  All the cultural/language issues
that we had were of the fun comparative practices type; her written
English is beautiful, and she can work through difficult code and
explain to you what she did more clearly than anyone else we've had here
in the last 6 years.  

Anyway, her husband finished up his degree last falll and got a job in
California, so we have lost her, as her visa status won't allow her to
work for a Minnesota company and live in California.  

In California, however, she hasn't found work.  So if anyone is looking
for a cracker-jack developer out there, contact me off-list for more
information.

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr 11 09:51:37 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:51:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C740355628D@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

There's no direct translation in Access for those range references.
You'd have to use the Excel Object Model to get at your data.


Jim DeMarco

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access

Thank you Lambert and Jim.   I was trying to use aggregate functions
similar 
to the following formula that I have used in the past in Excel:

=(SUM(A1:A5)-MIN(A1:A5)-MAX(A1:A5))/MAX(1,COUNT(A1:A5)-2)

and was having some trouble with getting the system to do what I need.

Thank you for your help.  Thought maybe there was a function that I
didn't know about.

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 09:56:15 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:56:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D140E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Well I'll try. :-)

Say you have exactly 100 records, so your goal is to get the middle 80
records in your result.

The first query returns the "top 90%" of the data, so it should be sorted in
ascending order so that the query will return records 1 to 90.

Then you use that query as the input to the second query. The second query
sorts in descending order (90, 89, 88...) and its Top property is set to
88%, which should give you a result of records 90 to 11.  Why 88% ? Well the
first query returns 90% of the original records and you need to lose the
bottom 10 records which is 10/90% which is roughly 11.11%. By trying it out,
if the second query returns 89% or records you get 81 out of the original
100, but if you set it to 88% you will get 80 records.

HTH

Lambert

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Hi Lambert,

What is your thinking on this?  Can you explain?



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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 10:07:13 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:07:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D140E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F2249B0B4B8A5D825E69AB69ACD0@phx.gbl>

okay.  Not to comlicate this further, but I'm really looking for 80% of the 
data for each subset within a recordset.  The query that you describe works 
great on all of the data in the database, but what I really need is to 
divide the data into subsets(there are 52 of them) and then take 80% of the 
data for subset1, subset2, subset3, subset4, subset5, etc.

Does that make sense?



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 10:18:04 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:18:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1423@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Makes sense. If you want to do this with queries then I'd suggest using much
the same approach. The difference would be that you need a code loop to
modify the first query so that it selects just the nth subset of those 52
subsets (weekly data?) of the whole data set and then run the second query
on it, which will give you 80% of the subset. Repeat for each subset. The
only other thing to do would be to make the seconds query an append query so
you can accumulate your results in a temporary table.

Lambert


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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access


okay.  Not to comlicate this further, but I'm really looking for 80% of the 
data for each subset within a recordset.  The query that you describe works 
great on all of the data in the database, but what I really need is to 
divide the data into subsets(there are 52 of them) and then take 80% of the 
data for subset1, subset2, subset3, subset4, subset5, etc.

Does that make sense?



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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 10:22:23 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:22:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data
Message-ID: <004e01c65d7b$bc6fc540$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Does anyone have code for exporting an ADO recordset to comma delimited,
complete with header (if desired), quoting of data if the data contains
commas etc?

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 11 10:24:13 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:24:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A7B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Forgive a dumb question, but if there is no display adapter, what is
handling the display?? 


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because
there is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to
run it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display
Adapter is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display
adapter" will be there, and when you expand it there will be an
exclamation mark or something saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that
mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by
the manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the
middle, it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked
continue and when it was finished it came up with a "non-native"
adapter, i.e. I could only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no
"display adapter" in the device manager.  Just not there at all, which
means I can't go in through that to install the correct drivers.  When I
go in through the desktop, it shows all kinds of conflicts for hardware
and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 10:26:17 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:26:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1423@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F11D6CA5413B800D90B97A69ACD0@phx.gbl>

Excellent idea Lambert.  I think that I will accumulate it into a table.



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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 10:38:46 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:38:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1423@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F366F6D0D996E574FD5CF4F9ACD0@phx.gbl>

Just one more question, Lambert.  It looks as though the data values are 
being reduced by the percentage that I use in the "top values" box.

What I want is to take the top 10% of the data in the subset and the bottom 
10% of the data in the subset and throw it away.  That is what the trimmean 
funciton does in Excel.  It allows you to exclude a percentage of data so 
that it doesn't skew your results.

I'm not sure that what you are describing is doing this.  It looks like it 
is recalculaing the values in my recordset by the percentage that I place in 
the "top Values" box at the top of the qbe grid.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 11 10:51:01 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:51:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A80@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You're not using an export spec? 


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data

Does anyone have code for exporting an ADO recordset to comma delimited,
complete with header (if desired), quoting of data if the data contains
commas etc?

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 10:55:33 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:55:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <003801c65d5f$ab8404b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <025a01c65d80$5dfbd4e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 11:00:52 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:00:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1489@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

No that should not be happening. Here's some sample SQL

SELECT TOP [90 ] PERCENT num FROM SomeTable ORDER BY num;

This take the table "SomeTable", sorts it by the numeric field "num" and
returns the top 90%. No calculations are preformed on the data in the table.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access


Just one more question, Lambert.  It looks as though the data values are 
being reduced by the percentage that I use in the "top values" box.

What I want is to take the top 10% of the data in the subset and the bottom 
10% of the data in the subset and throw it away.  That is what the trimmean 
funciton does in Excel.  It allows you to exclude a percentage of data so 
that it doesn't skew your results.

I'm not sure that what you are describing is doing this.  It looks like it 
is recalculaing the values in my recordset by the percentage that I place in

the "top Values" box at the top of the qbe grid.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 11 11:02:50 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:02:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

John,

Here's an ancient bit from my early ADO days for creating a tab
delimited file with optional fieldnames.  You can probably adapt it, but
don't expect it to be terribly elegant because it was written based on
ADO 2.1 and I was fumbling my way through it. 


Charlotte Foust

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data

Does anyone have code for exporting an ADO recordset to comma delimited,
complete with header (if desired), quoting of data if the data contains
commas etc?

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 11:05:55 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:05:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A7B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005c01c65d81$d18d4aa0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, you tell me!!!  If you go to the desktop and go in through that dialog
box, under the adapter tab it shows "unknown" for chip type, DAC, Memory
Size, Adapter string and bios info.  Click on Adapter and it shows VGA
Display controller - non-plug and play drivers, unknown manufacturer,
unknown location.  Service name VGASave, Display name VGA Display
Controller.  Resources show conflicts in the memory and IO range.

And it is SLOW as hell!.  You can watch the screen repaint as you scroll up
and down in documents etc.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Forgive a dumb question, but if there is no display adapter, what is
handling the display?? 


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native"
adapter, i.e. I could only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display
adapter" in the device manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't
go in through that to install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the
desktop, it shows all kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me
to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 11 11:25:29 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:25:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A85@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 Oops!  I suppose it would have helped if I had remembered to paste the
code in! LOL


Charlotte

'**** Code Begins **********
Public Function CreateTextFileFromRST(ByVal strOutputTblNm As String, _
                              ByVal strLinkSpec As String, _
                              ByRef rst As ADODB.Recordset, _
                              Optional blnOverwrite As Boolean = True, _
                              Optional blnFieldNames As Boolean = True)
As Boolean
  'Author:  Charlotte Foust
  'Created: 7/3/2001
  'modified 7/5/2001 - added code to write fieldnames to file
  'Based on CreateTextFile by Charlotte Foust

  'requires reference to Microsoft Scripting Library
  'SCRRUN.DLL for early binding of FileSystemObject
  'A reference to Microsoft Office 9.0 object library
  'will work with late binding

 'Creates tab delimited text file from table or query then links file.
 'Used to replace temporary tables and reduce bloat.

  On Error GoTo Proc_err
  Dim varItem As Variant
  Dim strOutputFile As String
  Dim strTempTblNm As String
  Dim intPosition As Integer        'holds result of instr() function
  Dim varFields As Variant
  Dim varLines As Variant
  Dim intFldCount As Integer
  Dim lngRecords As Long
  Dim intLoop As Integer
  Dim intIndex As Integer
  Dim blnContinue As Boolean
  Dim intCmdType As Integer         'holds commandtype constant
  Dim fld As ADODB.Field              'holds each ADO field object
  Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection   'holds ADO connection object
  Dim errsCnn As ADODB.Errors     'holds ADO Errors collection
  Dim errCurr As ADODB.Error        'holds each ADO error
  Dim objFS As FileSystemObject   'holds FileSystemObject
  Dim objTxtStream As TextStream  'holds TextStream object
  
  'instantiate the objects
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  Set errsCnn = cnn.Errors
  
  'make sure the output file name has a txt extension
  intPosition = InStr(strOutputTblNm, ".")
  If intPosition = 0 Then
  
    strTempTblNm = strOutputTblNm
    strOutputTblNm = strOutputTblNm & ".txt"
  Else 'intPosition = 0
  
    strTempTblNm = Left(strOutputTblNm, intPosition - 1)
    strOutputTblNm = Left(strOutputTblNm, intPosition) & "txt"
  End If 'intPosition = 0
  
  'create the full path and temp file name
  'if only a filename was passed
  If InStr(strOutputTblNm, "\") = 0 Then
    strOutputFile = CurrentProject.path & "\" & strOutputTblNm
  Else
    strOutputFile = strOutputTblNm
  End If 'InStr(strOutputTblNm, "\") = 0
  
  'delete the old temp file
  On Error Resume Next
  Kill strOutputFile
  
  On Error GoTo Proc_err
  
  With rst
    If .EOF Then
      'there are no records to process
      'so the routine will exit
      lngRecords = 0
    Else '.EOF
      blnContinue = True
      'get the recordcount
      .MoveLast
      lngRecords = .RecordCount
      .MoveFirst
      'set up the array to hold the
      'field values
      intFldCount = .Fields.Count
      
      intLoop = 0
      'dim the array depending on whether
      'fieldnames are being included
      If Not blnFieldNames Then
        ReDim varLines(lngRecords - 1)
      Else 'If Not blnFieldNames
        ReDim varLines(lngRecords)
        
        'create a "field names" record for the file
        'put each field name into a string array
         varFields = Null
        Set fld = Nothing
        
        For Each fld In .Fields
          'add the field value to a semicolon
          'delimited string of values
          varFields = varFields & fld.name & ";"
        Next fld
        
        'strip off the last semicolon
        varFields = Left(varFields, Len(varFields) - 1)
        
        'convert the string to an array based
        'on the semicolon delimiter.
        varFields = Split(varFields, ";")
        'turn the array into a tab delimited string
        'and assign it to a single element of the line array
        varLines(intLoop) = Join(varFields, Chr(9))
        intLoop = intLoop + 1
      End If 'Not blnFieldNames
      
      'add the records to the array
      Do
        'put the data from each field into
        'a string then put the string
        'into an array
        varFields = Null
        Set fld = Nothing
        
        For Each fld In .Fields
          varItem = fld.Value
          If Not IsNull(varItem) Then
            'strip out any non-printing characters
            
            'remove the vbNewLine/vbCr character chr(13)
            If InStr(CStr(varItem), vbCr) > 0 Then
              varItem = Replace(CStr(varItem), vbCr, ", ")
            End If 'InStr(CStr(varItem), vbCr) > 0
            
            'remove the vbLf character chr(10)
            If InStr(CStr(varItem), vbLf) > 0 Then
              varItem = Replace(CStr(varItem), vbLf, ", ")
            End If 'InStr(CStr(varItem), vbLf) > 0
          End If 'Not IsNull(varItem)
            
         'add the field value to a semicolon
         'delimited string of values
          varFields = varFields & varItem & ";"
        Next fld
        'strip off the last semicolon
        varFields = Left(varFields, Len(varFields) - 1)
        'convert the string to an array based
        'on the semicolon delimiter.  This gets
        'around fields than contain commas
        varFields = Split(varFields, ";")
        'turn the array into a tab delimited string
        'and assign it to a single element of the line array
        varLines(intLoop) = Join(varFields, Chr(9))
        'go to the next record
        intLoop = intLoop + 1
        .MoveNext
      Loop Until .EOF
    End If '.EOF
  End With 'rst
    
  'clean up object variables
  Set fld = Nothing
  rst.Close
  Set rst = Nothing
  
  If blnContinue Then
  
    'create a FileSystemObject
    Set objFS = CreateObject("scripting.filesystemobject")
    
    'create a TextStream Object to handle output
    Set objTxtStream = objFS.CreateTextFile(strOutputFile, blnOverwrite)
    
    'loop through the Lines array and
    'write each line to the TextStream object
    For intLoop = 0 To UBound(varLines)
      objTxtStream.WriteLine varLines(intLoop)
    Next intLoop
    objTxtStream.Close
  End If 'blnContinue
  
  If lngRecords = 0 Then
    MsgBox "There were no records to write to the specified file."
  End If 'lngRecords = 0
  
Proc_exit:
  On Error Resume Next
  'clean up object variables
  Set objTxtStream = Nothing
  Set objFS = Nothing
  Set fld = Nothing
  rst.Close
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set errsCnn = Nothing
  Set errCurr = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  CreateTextFileFromRST = blnContinue
  Exit Function
Proc_err:
  If errsCnn.Count > 0 Then
    For Each errCurr In errsCnn
      MsgBox errCurr.Number & "--" & errCurr.Description & vbCrLf _
              & CurrentProject.name & ".CreateTextFile"
    Next errCurr
    errsCnn.Clear
  End If
  If Err <> 0 Then
    MsgBox Err.Number & "--" & Err.Description
  End If
  blnContinue = False
  Resume Proc_exit
End Function 'CreateTextFileFromRST(ByVal strOutputTblNm As String, _
                              ByVal strLinkSpec As String, _
                              ByRef rst As ADODB.Recordset, _
                              Optional blnOverwrite As Boolean = True)
As Boolean
'**** Code Ends **********

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data

John,

Here's an ancient bit from my early ADO days for creating a tab
delimited file with optional fieldnames.  You can probably adapt it, but
don't expect it to be terribly elegant because it was written based on
ADO 2.1 and I was fumbling my way through it. 


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data

Does anyone have code for exporting an ADO recordset to comma delimited,
complete with header (if desired), quoting of data if the data contains
commas etc?

John W. Colby
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 11:30:46 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:30:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <003801c65d5f$ab8404b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXK008D1GI75Z20@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Apr 11 11:33:15 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:33:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <005c01c65d81$d18d4aa0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A7B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005c01c65d81$d18d4aa0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604110933i68187c12of7862da8c35d358@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps you should try a second Repair Install of Windows. You said
you found the device driver disk now right?  Sounds like it can't get
much worse anyway.

GK

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> LOL, you tell me!!!  If you go to the desktop and go in through that dialog
> box, under the adapter tab it shows "unknown" for chip type, DAC, Memory
> Size, Adapter string and bios info.  Click on Adapter and it shows VGA
> Display controller - non-plug and play drivers, unknown manufacturer,
> unknown location.  Service name VGASave, Display name VGA Display
> Controller.  Resources show conflicts in the memory and IO range.
>
> And it is SLOW as hell!.  You can watch the screen repaint as you scroll up
> and down in documents etc.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 12:06:28 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:06:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <0IXK008D1GI75Z20@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <006301c65d8a$46eee850$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 12:08:41 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:08:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950604110933i68187c12of7862da8c35d358@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401c65d8a$95bb7c00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Perhaps you should try a second Repair Install of Windows. You said you
found the device driver disk now right?  Sounds like it can't get much worse
anyway.

GK

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> LOL, you tell me!!!  If you go to the desktop and go in through that 
> dialog box, under the adapter tab it shows "unknown" for chip type, 
> DAC, Memory Size, Adapter string and bios info.  Click on Adapter and 
> it shows VGA Display controller - non-plug and play drivers, unknown 
> manufacturer, unknown location.  Service name VGASave, Display name 
> VGA Display Controller.  Resources show conflicts in the memory and IO
range.
>
> And it is SLOW as hell!.  You can watch the screen repaint as you 
> scroll up and down in documents etc.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 12:10:39 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:10:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <025a01c65d80$5dfbd4e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <006501c65d8a$dc3245b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

In fact I stumbled on this and no, it isn't there either.  Ordinarily there
will be a "Display adapter" tree, under which will be SOMETHING, even if it
is disabled due to conflicts.  That entire tree is missing.


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.

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From Robin at rolledgold.net  Tue Apr 11 12:07:03 2006
From: Robin at rolledgold.net (Robin )
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:07:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <560E2B80EC8F624B93A87B943B7A9CD54A3C64@rgiserv.rg.local>

John,
What happens if you right click on the desktop -  select properties -
select the settings tab - go to advanced - select driver .....?
Rgds
Robin Lawrence



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 18:11
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter


In fact I stumbled on this and no, it isn't there either.  Ordinarily
there will be a "Display adapter" tree, under which will be SOMETHING,
even if it is disabled due to conflicts.  That entire tree is missing.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because
there is no display adapter.

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 12:23:13 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:23:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006501c65d8a$dc3245b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001c01c65d8c$9dc18d70$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

In this case if it is showing it would be under the Non-Plug and Play tree
though. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In fact I stumbled on this and no, it isn't there either.  Ordinarily there
will be a "Display adapter" tree, under which will be SOMETHING, even if it
is disabled due to conflicts.  That entire tree is missing.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 12:30:56 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:30:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <560E2B80EC8F624B93A87B943B7A9CD54A3C64@rgiserv.rg.local>
Message-ID: <006a01c65d8d$b18c1f40$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Been there, done that.  Nothing that allows me to update the driver. 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robin 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,
What happens if you right click on the desktop -  select properties - select
the settings tab - go to advanced - select driver .....?
Rgds
Robin Lawrence



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Sent: 11 April 2006 18:11
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter


In fact I stumbled on this and no, it isn't there either.  Ordinarily there
will be a "Display adapter" tree, under which will be SOMETHING, even if it
is disabled due to conflicts.  That entire tree is missing.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 12:33:33 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:33:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006401c65d8a$95bb7c00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <003601c65d8e$0fbbc160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

But John, if you get a new hard drive then you will have to do all that PITA
stuff also - right?

I don't understand the new hard drive aspect - or did I miss something?

You could just as well reinstall XP from scratch on the old harddrive rather
than using the repair option.

I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what I did to resolve the issue I had
with the video driver problem. It sounds like it was exactly what your
dealing with. It could have even been on a laptop. I know the solution
wasn't anything so drastic but I didn't document it :o(

If you can wait, I'll bet it comes to me at 3:00AM tomorrow morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Tue Apr 11 12:54:28 2006
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:54:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically add chart to Access 97 report
Message-ID: <00a001c65d90$fab9eb40$0b00a8c0@desktop>

I need to programmatically (VBA) add a line chart/ graph to an Access 97 report from data contained in a table.

Does anyone know of any "canned code" to accomplish this?  I found code to modify graphs in Access 97 and to create charts in Access 2000+, but had no luck finding how to actually create one in A97.

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 13:02:30 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:02:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F366F6D0D996E574FD5CF4F9ACD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F33B8C3719867ECF6829070D2CD0@phx.gbl>


Julie,

For some reason posts like this intrigue me...but my results aren't always 
pretty...I think I have what you described.  The trick is getting VBA in 
access to do exactly what the function in excel does...
1.  Count records
2.  multiply by your percent
3.  rounds DOWN to number divisible by 2.
4.  divides by 2
5.  takes this number of records off the top and bottom
6.  averages the rest

for example:  (from the EXCEL help)

TRIMMEAN(array,percent)
Array   is the array or range of values to trim and average.

Percent   is the fractional number of data points to exclude from the 
calculation. For example, if percent = 0.2, 4 points are trimmed from a data 
set of 20 points (20 x 0.2), 2 from the top and 2 from the bottom of the 
set.

Remarks

?If percent < 0 or percent > 1, TRIMMEAN returns the #NUM! error value.
?TRIMMEAN rounds the number of excluded data points down to the nearest 
multiple of 2. If percent = 0.1, 10 percent of 30 data points equals 3 
points. For symmetry, TRIMMEAN excludes a single value from the top and 
bottom of the data set.

Below is what I came up with to mimic this logic:  I used a table with 3 
fields containing...Record ID, some number, Name(subcategory)...so I could 
get the MEAN for grouped by Name.
**************************************
Dim Per
Per = 0.2
Dim db As Database
Set db = CurrentDb()
    Dim GroupRst As Recordset
    Set GroupRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT Table1.Name FROM Table1 GROUP BY 
Table1.Name;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
    Dim GroupName As Field
    Set GroupName = GroupRst!Name
    Do Until GroupRst.EOF
        Dim MyRst As Recordset
        Set MyRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT Table1.id, Table1.Field1, 
Table1.Name FROM Table1 WHERE (((Table1.Name) = '" & GroupName & "')) ORDER 
BY Table1.Field1;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
        Dim List As Field
        Set List = MyRst!Field1
        Dim Counter
        Counter = MyRst.RecordCount
        Dim Trim
        Dim MaxTrim
        Dim Div
        If InStr(1, Int(Counter * Per) / 2, ".") = 0 Then
            Trim = Int(Counter * Per) / 2
            MaxTrim = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) / 2 + 1
            Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per)
        Else
            Trim = (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2
            MaxTrim = Counter - (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2 + 1
            Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) + 1
        End If
        Dim ListSum
        ListSum = 0
        Dim Num
        Num = 0
        Do Until MyRst.EOF
        Num = Num + 1
        If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then
            ListSum = ListSum + List
        Else
        ListSum = ListSum
        End If
        MyRst.MoveNext
        Loop
        MsgBox "The TRIMMEAN for " & GroupName & "is " & ListSum / Div
    GroupRst.MoveNext
    Loop
*******************************************

I hope this helps.  Please let me know if you have any questions...or I can 
send a sample db offline.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 13:31:36 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:31:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <003601c65d8e$0fbbc160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000c01c65d96$2d4c71e0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I can reinstall from scratch, however I like to save my old hard drive,
simply because there is always something that didn't get saved and whatever
it is, it is the most critical thing on your hard disk.  Thus it is nice to
be able to xcopy or otherwise "ghost" the entire hard disk out or... Just
use a new hard drive.

Doing a clean windows install is NOT a trivial task.  I have encryption
software (drivers) for mounting encrypted drives, mapped to specific drive
locations, Office 2k, XP and 2003, SQL Server, Norton AV (which I JUST
purchased), and all the millions of other things that get installed along
the way over a three year period.

This is my dev machine and it will take me several days to get back to work,
in fact I may be forced to move all my work over to a desktop machine while
I do this.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

But John, if you get a new hard drive then you will have to do all that PITA
stuff also - right?

I don't understand the new hard drive aspect - or did I miss something?

You could just as well reinstall XP from scratch on the old harddrive rather
than using the repair option.

I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what I did to resolve the issue I had
with the video driver problem. It sounds like it was exactly what your
dealing with. It could have even been on a laptop. I know the solution
wasn't anything so drastic but I didn't document it :o(

If you can wait, I'll bet it comes to me at 3:00AM tomorrow morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


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From ralphb at cwgsy.net  Tue Apr 11 13:31:51 2006
From: ralphb at cwgsy.net (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:31:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006a01c65d8d$b18c1f40$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000c01c65d96$3388aab0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than 
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

Ralph Bryce




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 13:52:51 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:52:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D154E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

John,

If this machine is running windows XP then have you tried restoring your
system to where it was before you hit the problem?  From the On-Line
Help....

"To access the System Restore Wizard, click Start, and then click Help and
Support. Click Performance and Maintenance, click Using System Restore to
undo changes, and then click Run the System Restore Wizard. 
Creating a restore point can be useful any time you anticipate making
changes to your computer that are risky or might make your computer
unstable. 
To view or to return to this restore point, from the Welcome to System
Restore screen of the System Restore Wizard select Restore my computer to an
earlier time. Then select the date when the restore point was created from
the calendar in the Select a Restore Point screen. All of the restore points
that were created on the selected date are listed by name in the list box to
the right of the calendar". 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter


I can reinstall from scratch, however I like to save my old hard drive,
simply because there is always something that didn't get saved and whatever
it is, it is the most critical thing on your hard disk.  Thus it is nice to
be able to xcopy or otherwise "ghost" the entire hard disk out or... Just
use a new hard drive.

Doing a clean windows install is NOT a trivial task.  I have encryption
software (drivers) for mounting encrypted drives, mapped to specific drive
locations, Office 2k, XP and 2003, SQL Server, Norton AV (which I JUST
purchased), and all the millions of other things that get installed along
the way over a three year period.

This is my dev machine and it will take me several days to get back to work,
in fact I may be forced to move all my work over to a desktop machine while
I do this.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

But John, if you get a new hard drive then you will have to do all that PITA
stuff also - right?

I don't understand the new hard drive aspect - or did I miss something?

You could just as well reinstall XP from scratch on the old harddrive rather
than using the repair option.

I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what I did to resolve the issue I had
with the video driver problem. It sounds like it was exactly what your
dealing with. It could have even been on a laptop. I know the solution
wasn't anything so drastic but I didn't document it :o(

If you can wait, I'll bet it comes to me at 3:00AM tomorrow morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


John W. Colby
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From marcus at tsstech.com  Tue Apr 11 14:37:35 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:37:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A31@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

John,

First, I have to admit that I haven't followed all the posts since my
last post. Did anyone suggest doing a repair install? You can do this
and all your programs should be fine, you will have to do the Windows
Update thing though.

To do the repair install, follow the directions at this site...

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm


Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for
WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display
adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built?
In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup.
Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 14:50:57 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:50:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000c01c65d96$3388aab0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>
Message-ID: <000701c65da1$4106cb80$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Man, this thing is nice.  Lots of info.  It sees my physical display adapter
(pci/agp video), but it does not see a windows video.  


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

Ralph Bryce


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 15:11:20 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:11:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <001c01c65d8c$9dc18d70$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <00d701c65da4$1a0a2510$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Did you try to boot into safe mode and remove the device/drivers?

Also you mentioned you just bought NAV - have you installed it yet? NAV
2005/2006 have been a royal PITA for me.




From ralphb at cwgsy.net  Tue Apr 11 15:19:07 2006
From: ralphb at cwgsy.net (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:19:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000701c65da1$4106cb80$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001601c65da5$31dd46d0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>

John

Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?
Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?
Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

If not, what make of machine is it?

Ralph Bryce 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 20:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Man, this thing is nice.  Lots of info.  It sees my physical display adapter
(pci/agp video), but it does not see a windows video.  


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

Ralph Bryce


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 15:33:38 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:33:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D154E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000301c65da7$38739ba0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Unfortunately they do not go back far enough. 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

If this machine is running windows XP then have you tried restoring your
system to where it was before you hit the problem?  From the On-Line
Help....

"To access the System Restore Wizard, click Start, and then click Help and
Support. Click Performance and Maintenance, click Using System Restore to
undo changes, and then click Run the System Restore Wizard. 
Creating a restore point can be useful any time you anticipate making
changes to your computer that are risky or might make your computer
unstable. 
To view or to return to this restore point, from the Welcome to System
Restore screen of the System Restore Wizard select Restore my computer to an
earlier time. Then select the date when the restore point was created from
the calendar in the Select a Restore Point screen. All of the restore points
that were created on the selected date are listed by name in the list box to
the right of the calendar". 

Lambert



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Apr 11 15:32:23 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:32:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6EE8@main2.marlow.com>

I've only been perusing this thread.  JC, is this a laptop or a desktop?  If
it's a desktop, why not just toss a different video card and ignore the one
on the motherboard.  (It's a setting in your bios, to disable the onboard
video....actually, that could be your problem too, if the bios thinks you
should be using PCI, and your OS is trying to use an onboard AGP).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I can reinstall from scratch, however I like to save my old hard drive,
simply because there is always something that didn't get saved and whatever
it is, it is the most critical thing on your hard disk.  Thus it is nice to
be able to xcopy or otherwise "ghost" the entire hard disk out or... Just
use a new hard drive.

Doing a clean windows install is NOT a trivial task.  I have encryption
software (drivers) for mounting encrypted drives, mapped to specific drive
locations, Office 2k, XP and 2003, SQL Server, Norton AV (which I JUST
purchased), and all the millions of other things that get installed along
the way over a three year period.

This is my dev machine and it will take me several days to get back to work,
in fact I may be forced to move all my work over to a desktop machine while
I do this.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

But John, if you get a new hard drive then you will have to do all that PITA
stuff also - right?

I don't understand the new hard drive aspect - or did I miss something?

You could just as well reinstall XP from scratch on the old harddrive rather
than using the repair option.

I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what I did to resolve the issue I had
with the video driver problem. It sounds like it was exactly what your
dealing with. It could have even been on a laptop. I know the solution
wasn't anything so drastic but I didn't document it :o(

If you can wait, I'll bet it comes to me at 3:00AM tomorrow morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


John W. Colby
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 15:41:21 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006301c65d8a$46eee850$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXK004FPS3U9TF0@l-daemon>

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 15:45:03 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:45:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <001601c65da5$31dd46d0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>
Message-ID: <000401c65da8$cf9b7b00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?

Nope

>Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?

Yep

>Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

Yep.

This is an Emachines laptop which has been functioning fine (for 2 years
now) until I had a problem with NAV not updating it's virus defs.  In the
process of attempting to uninstall that, Windows itself got hosed.  I
performed a "repair" of Windows which hosed the display adapter.  Things are
going down hill.  

In fact the system is ALMOST back to normal, except for the fact that the
video adapter is entirely missing to Windows (and every other program /
utility).  Windows is using some "emergency" graphics adapter AFAICT which
limits me to 800x600 and 1024 x 768 modes.  In fact if I disable THAT
emergency adapter, windows boots up entirely with NOTHING displayed - a
terrifying experience.  Makes me understand how a blind person (who could
once see) must feel.  Anyway, my native mode graphics is 1600 x 1200 IIRC,
and the 1024x768 mode is just ugly - blurry, horrid fonts etc.  

But I cannot get any graphics drivers to install because somehow Windows
"lost" the "graphics adapter" section of the hardware tree, and therefore
the graphics drivers installation programs can't figure out what to do with
the drivers, and just refuse to install.  

So far I have spent probably 40 hours uninstalling NAV (about 6 times before
finally getting a good install) and repairing my windows, then trying to get
these (real) graphics drivers to load.  



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?
Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?
Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

If not, what make of machine is it?

Ralph Bryce 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 20:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Man, this thing is nice.  Lots of info.  It sees my physical display adapter
(pci/agp video), but it does not see a windows video.  


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

Ralph Bryce


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From jwelz at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 15:55:45 2006
From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <00d701c65da4$1a0a2510$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F32F6D83963F74996CC51FAA1CD0@phx.gbl>

I've had two laptops where I've attempted to uninstall Norton (02 and 03).  
Neither ever booted an OS successfully again.  I bought two new drives and 
enclosures for both old laptop drives.  Putting the drives in the enclosure 
allowed me to pull off all the files I wanted.  Ultimately I burned 
everything to DVDs before formatting the old drives and use them for 
photo/movie storage.

I'm not sure if the NAV versions I was using had the rootkit garbage that 
Norton was caught using, but unfortunately the two machines were purchased 
with a factory install of that software.  The next time I purchase a 
machine, a condition of the purchase will be that no part of Norton was ever 
installed.

Drivers are why Windows is considered Plug & PRAY.  I liked being able to 
set a couple of jumpers to set IRQs and interrupts.  I used to have a 
nightmare with modems after operating systems went plug and play.

I suppose the Command window is 640*480 resolution?  You could try some 
multiboot/partition software to give the bare setup another chance without 
nuking the system entirely.

Ciao
J?rgen Welz
Edmonton, Alberta
jwelz at hotmail.com





>From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>
>Did you try to boot into safe mode and remove the device/drivers?
>
>Also you mentioned you just bought NAV - have you installed it yet? NAV
>2005/2006 have been a royal PITA for me.




From ralphb at cwgsy.net  Tue Apr 11 16:06:14 2006
From: ralphb at cwgsy.net (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:06:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000401c65da8$cf9b7b00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001b01c65dab$c4ab9dd0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>


From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby

This is an Emachines laptop
 

John

Which model?

For example,
the model M5305 uses the ATI Mobility Radeon IGP 320M,
the M6805, M6810, M6811 use the ATI Mobility Radeon 9600

http://www.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/details__cat_id--462,prod_id
--7591590.html

Ralph Bryce




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 16:20:52 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:20:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <0IXK004FPS3U9TF0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000701c65dad$d0c0cee0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 17:15:42 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000401c65da8$cf9b7b00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <014801c65db5$798aef90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Use Symantec's SymNRT.exe to remove their apps completely. Then throw their
cd in the air and shoot it ;o)

HTH

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

>Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?

Nope

>Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?

Yep

>Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

Yep.

This is an Emachines laptop which has been functioning fine (for 2 years
now) until I had a problem with NAV not updating it's virus defs.  In the
process of attempting to uninstall that, Windows itself got hosed.  I
performed a "repair" of Windows which hosed the display adapter.  Things are
going down hill.  

In fact the system is ALMOST back to normal, except for the fact that the
video adapter is entirely missing to Windows (and every other program /
utility).  Windows is using some "emergency" graphics adapter AFAICT which
limits me to 800x600 and 1024 x 768 modes.  In fact if I disable THAT
emergency adapter, windows boots up entirely with NOTHING displayed - a
terrifying experience.  Makes me understand how a blind person (who could
once see) must feel.  Anyway, my native mode graphics is 1600 x 1200 IIRC,
and the 1024x768 mode is just ugly - blurry, horrid fonts etc.  

But I cannot get any graphics drivers to install because somehow Windows
"lost" the "graphics adapter" section of the hardware tree, and therefore
the graphics drivers installation programs can't figure out what to do with
the drivers, and just refuse to install.  

So far I have spent probably 40 hours uninstalling NAV (about 6 times before
finally getting a good install) and repairing my windows, then trying to get
these (real) graphics drivers to load.  



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?
Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?
Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

If not, what make of machine is it?

Ralph Bryce 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 20:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Man, this thing is nice.  Lots of info.  It sees my physical display adapter
(pci/agp video), but it does not see a windows video.  


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

Ralph Bryce


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 18:17:26 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:17:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000701c65dad$d0c0cee0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXK00KSSZBZZR00@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 11 19:04:07 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:04:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships - Sql Server 2005
Message-ID: <000b01c65dc4$9f8d0430$6601a8c0@office>

(Cross posted to AccessD and Access SQL)

I am creating the relationships between tables in my new system in Sql Server 2005 (developer, not express).

I have found 2 ways to do this:

1). By going into a specific table's keys and editing there, or
2) By dragging ands dropping fields in the database diagran, which I find easier.

But from within the database diagram I can't find how to view the properties of the relationship. If I right click I only have the option to delete it.

Anyone know a better way as this is taking me ages??

TIA
Kath


From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 11 19:13:08 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:13:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships - Sql Server 2005
Message-ID: <001c01c65dc5$e19c86b0$6601a8c0@office>

Sorry - just worked it out. (USe F4) doh!

Kath

From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 20:01:25 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:01:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <0IXK00KSSZBZZR00@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <001c01c65dcc$a03c5d60$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 20:02:23 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:02:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion
References: <208.11fd4365.311620fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <443C519F.9060401@shaw.ca>

I wondered where this Access Translation  Tool went
as it used to be under the Moscow Access User Group site.
I came across it yesterday.
It is now being sold by Point Limited in Moscow
I think it was written by Alex Dybenko an Access MVP who works for them.

http://www.pointltd.com/

It has ability to work with different character sets in built-in edit 
form - Western, Japanese, Cyrillic ,etc.
You can just select your working language on entry to the mdb limit of 
10 languages..
They have added some bells and whistles with Office 2003
You can  either do your own translation of things like Message Boxes and 
Titles
or you can use automatic calls to Word 2003 to do a web service 
translation to get an immediate translation
of your Access Forms. Remember translations like this are still of the
"Lo lightning has struck my front postilion" variety. But you could show 
something immediately to a client.
I haven't checked how it handles things like date and currency formatting.

He has some interesting Access blogs at
http://alexdyb.blogspot.com/
http://alex.dybenko.com/

DorisH3 at aol.com wrote:

>Does anyone know if an Access database using VB modules can be converted to 
>Japanese or Chinese?  If it can be what is the process?
>
>Doris
>  
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 11 20:16:48 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:16:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <014801c65db5$798aef90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <000401c65da8$cf9b7b00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <443CE1A0.5948.5C05E35@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 11 Apr 2006 at 17:15, John Bartow wrote:

> Use Symantec's SymNRT.exe to remove their apps completely. Then throw their
> cd in the air and shoot it ;o)
> 

The fact that Symantec have to release a TWO special utilities to remove their software 
says it all   (SymNRT and RNAV2003)  :-(







From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 11 21:09:59 2006
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:09:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
Message-ID: <20060412020959.26434.qmail@web53612.mail.yahoo.com>

Can someone please help me with this problem?  I know it's something simple but I am not an Access database expert but I am learning everything I can.  I follow your email list because I have learned a lot just by reading what the problems everyone has.
   
  I have three Access tables that update using VB code.  When I click the Save button, they all save at the same time.  All three tables (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are identical.  When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1 and 2 in all three tables.  The problem is, sometimes it saves to all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three.  What would cause it to do that?  What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using the same code every time?
  Thanks
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 22:55:18 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:55:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <443CE1A0.5948.5C05E35@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <02bf01c65de4$ea7dd6c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yeah, that was really the first thing that bothered me about Norton
products. Even worse, they used to have one for each version of their
products so I carried around a bunch of their removal tools on a CD for ease
of use. At least now they have combined them. I'm still wondering why they
can't just have their uninstall program do this for them. I guess looking on
the positive, at least they posted a solution to the problem. I used to
spend an hour manually scrubbing windows to get rid of McAfee AV after their
uninstalls didn't work!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

On 11 Apr 2006 at 17:15, John Bartow wrote:

> Use Symantec's SymNRT.exe to remove their apps completely. Then throw 
> their cd in the air and shoot it ;o)
> 

The fact that Symantec have to release a TWO special utilities to remove
their software 
says it all   (SymNRT and RNAV2003)  :-(





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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 23:56:52 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:56:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <001c01c65dcc$a03c5d60$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXL00FD3F1O55I0@l-daemon>

Hi John:

It sounds like things have become stranger... the computer fairy has
deserted you. Have you had a chance to check out the drivers to download
from www.Omegacorner.com?   

Jim

PS Maybe the actual video card on your computer has failed?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 12 00:05:57 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:05:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <443A9758.8070007@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0IXL00F40FGS55J0@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

We are following up a number of different ways but will go with the option
that provides the greatest flexibility and has the most information
available. (It might not be a .Net choice as there seems to be limited
content out... we are looking for a good 'white-paper' on the subject.)

The client's main site is a full Redhat Linux server out of Texas so the
coding may preclude other options than PHP. The implementation will be done
initially through an API designed out of Toronto which has a number of
'SOAP' function calls. The one thing that concerns me is the size of the
WSDL file... 5000 lines; a lot to cache. I wonder if performance will be
adversely affected? It is for all the function calls. I wonder if there can
be one for each function call as most of the features are not going to be
used?

Jim 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Take this with the caveat, I have not touched any SOAP in six months.
Whether this stuff below may cause you problems, I don't know
but here is what you may run into.

If you are going to do anything complex in SOAP, you are going to have 
to make a design decision.
You could use VB6 and/or  Access with SOAP but the Microsoft SOAP 
Toolkit that made it easier
 at one time has been deprecated by the .NET Framework.  July 2004
Maybe MS force play to use .Net. Access 2003 Web Services will generally 
work with
the MS .Net Servers of WebServices and build the proper proxy SOAP classes
but it may get into problems on Web Services  built with say Java and 
Apache.
This is what I don't know.  It is generally referred  to as the "SOAP 
Interop" problem.
If you run into it, here is a possible workaround.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/webservices/building/soaptk/default.as
px

I could once write basic SOAP xml and throw it at a WSDL file through 
Access but it has become
more complicated. What I did about two years ago was use open source 
PocketSoap Toolkit and
then the WSDL Wizard for PocketSOAP 2.3.0 to run from Access 97.
http://www.pocketsoap.com/wsdl/wsdl2.aspx

The wizard contains support for generating proxies for rpc/encoded and 
document/literal services,
complexTypes and custom serializers for those types are constructued 
from the WSDL and XSD schema information.
The proxy object is generated in form of a VB6 project, I just grab the 
classes into Access 2003.
You can also put into a COM dll and call that.

So your choice maybe use Access/VB with Pocket Soap or other 3'd party 
toolkit or go to .Net or gasp Java.

One of the major problems I had was with so called "SOAP Interop", Web 
servers like Apache and Tomcat
had completely different ideas on the SOAP standard. I think it is 
finally straightened out but ...

One problem being by default Web Services built with ASP.NET, default to 
a style of SOAP called document/literal.
PocketSOAP by default uses a different style of SOAP called RPC/Encoded 
as does Apache/Tomcat based ones.
You can either switch your ASP.NET service to RPC/Encoded mode by using 
the SoapRpcMethod attribute,
or alternatively, you can alter your PocketSOAP code to use 
document/literal style mess.

The Linux servers Web Services had all sorts of weird stuff that 
consequently got into problems when people
started using the Soap Standards Section 5 encoding model, including 
arrays, sparse arrays, partial arrays,
unsized arrays, nil's, complex types and simple types. ie things like 
passing VB6 objects or binary jpegs.
This wasn't touched upon in the first years of SOAP.
This doesn't touch other quirks, like in HTTP 1.1 transport including 
support for
SSL, proxy servers, basic authentication, proxy server authentication, 
redirects,
 session cookies and compression.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Thanks for the info. The YATT looks like a great tool. 
>
>Our programmer has a sample site that is working without using a
>purchased/rented API. Hopefully the API the client is paying for works as
>well and has as much functionality. (Will have to get up to speed in SOAP
as
>I am still at the functional level with XML; time to hit the W3C pages).
>
>If you have any further thoughts or recommendations it would all be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:01 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Well here are tools that you may have to use, if you get stuck.
>TCPTrace, YATT or PcapTrace are essentially tools that log everything 
>going back and forth on the wire.
>I had to use on an amazon uk bookstore site when they weren't giving me 
>enough info
>and they were making initial development mistakes. Useful, if they are 
>throwing things
>like logging or session cookies at you, without telling you.
>Simon Fell is generally about 6 months ahead of microsoft, especially 
>with SOAP development.
>http://www.pocketsoap.com/yatt/
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen
scrapping.
>>This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
>>the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and
maybe
>>move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
>>viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed
>>    
>>
>are
>  
>
>>ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as
possible.
>>
>>So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would
be
>>more than glad to hear them.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Jim 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
>>have a habit of doing a complete
>>web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
>>changes which may prove to be a problem.
>>Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
>>methods, like logging in with
>>a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
>>you may not be able to see the screen source.
>>Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
>>companies like e-Bay provide a free API
>>to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
>>for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
>>Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
>>or payment based WebService like USPS.
>>You could be programming against moving goalposts.
>>
>>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi All:
>>>
>>>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>>>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us
can
>>>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>>>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>>>
>>>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>deal
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>>>
>>>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things
>>>      
>>>
>in
>  
>
>>>perspective.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>>
>>>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>>>
>>>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let
the
>>>project go if there is no agreement 
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>>
>>>These are interesting times. 
>>>
>>>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>>>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>>>
>>>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>'screen
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list
>>>      
>>>
>of
>  
>
>>>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>>>had not negotiated a price.
>>>
>>>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>>>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>>>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
>>>      
>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>company.
>>>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
>>>      
>>>
>two
>  
>
>>>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>felt
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>that he should try and support local talent.
>>>
>>>.. and a rider..
>>>
>>>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>>>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>>>
>>>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>>>
>>>Jim  
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 12 00:55:22 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:55:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <20060412020959.26434.qmail@web53612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <443D22EA.8394.6BF6810@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

>   I have three Access tables that update using VB code.  When I click
>   the Save button, they all save at the same time.  All three tables
>   (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
>   identical.  When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
>   and 2 in all three tables.  The problem is, sometimes it saves to
>   all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
>   to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three.  What would cause it to do
>   that?  What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
>   the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.





From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 12 07:34:31 2006
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:34:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <443D22EA.8394.6BF6810@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20060412123431.85535.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com>

I apologize, the code was really so simple, I was embarrassed to post it.  I am new to this so I am learning. But here it is:
   
  Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
  oConn.Open frmSplash.sConn
   
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
      
  rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs.AddNew
   
  rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString, txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  
..assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  Set rs1 = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs1.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs1.AddNew
   
  rs1("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString, txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  
..assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  Set rs2 = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs2.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs2.AddNew
   
  rs2("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString, txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  
..assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  rs.Update
  rs.Close
      
  rs1.Update
  rs1.Close
   
  rs2.Update
  rs2.Close
    
  Set rs = Nothing
  Set rs1 = Nothing
  Set rs2 = Nothing
   
  oConn.Close
   
  That's it.  This works but the only problem is that because it is saving to many tables some of the times the entries are created correctly and other times it misses entries from 2 of the columns that must be there in all three tables.
  Thanks

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
  On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I have three Access tables that update using VB code. When I click
> the Save button, they all save at the same time. All three tables
> (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
> identical. When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
> and 2 in all three tables. The problem is, sometimes it saves to
> all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
> to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What would cause it to do
> that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
> the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.



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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 12 07:34:36 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:34:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <20060412020959.26434.qmail@web53612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c65e2d$76acc050$abb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

1. There might not be any data -- an obvious reason, but something you might
miss if you aren't familiar with the data. Don't assume there's data, check.

2. If there's data for every column, it sounds like a missing foreign key,
an integrity conflict, or some kind of data conflict at the table level.
You're not getting an error message when this happens?

Susan H. 

 The problem is, sometimes it saves to all three of the tables just fine and
other times it may just save to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three.  What
would cause it to do that?  What would cause such inconsistency to occur
when it is using the same code every time?



From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 12 07:50:20 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:50:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F33B8C3719867ECF6829070D2CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F12F8012C7471DC6912CABA9AC20@phx.gbl>

Okay.  Still desperately struggling with this.   All I want to do now is 
dump the 80% of the data into a temp table.

The code below was furnished by Mark Matte.........or most of it anyway.

Instead of getting the mean, all I want to do is strip out the top 10% and 
the bottom 10%, then put the remaining records in a table.

This code does insert the records into a temp table, but it inserts all of 
the records.  I guess I'm not really clear on which portion of Mark's code 
actually drops the top 10% and the bottom 10%.

Please help!

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Per
Per = 0.2
Dim db As DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDb()
   Dim GroupRst As DAO.Recordset
   Set GroupRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.Profile FROM 
tblMonthlyProfile GROUP BY tblMonthlyProfile.Profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
   Dim GroupName As Field
   Set GroupName = GroupRst!profile
   Do Until GroupRst.EOF
       Dim MyRst As DAO.Recordset
       Set MyRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.id, 
tblMonthlyProfile.Profile, tblMonthlyProfile.Unit, tblMonthlyProfile.Cmonth 
FROM tblMonthlyProfile WHERE (((tblMonthlyProfile.Profile) = " & GroupName & 
")) ORDER BY tblMonthlyProfile.profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
       Dim List As Field
       Set List = MyRst!id
       Dim Counter
       Counter = MyRst.RecordCount
       Dim Trim
       Dim MaxTrim
       Dim Div
       If InStr(1, Int(Counter * Per) / 2, ".") = 0 Then
           Trim = Int(Counter * Per) / 2
           MaxTrim = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) / 2 + 1
           Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per)
       Else
           Trim = (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2
           MaxTrim = Counter - (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2 + 1
           Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) + 1
       End If




       Dim ListSum
       ListSum = 0
       Dim Num
       Num = 0
       Do Until MyRst.EOF
       Num = Num + 1
       If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then
           ListSum = ListSum + List
       Else
       ListSum = ListSum
       End If


                Set Rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblTempData", dbOpenDynaset)
                Rst.AddNew
                Rst!CMonth = MyRst!CMonth
                Rst!profile = MyRst!profile
                Rst!Unit = MyRst!Unit
                Rst.Update


       MyRst.MoveNext

       Loop
       'MsgBox "The TRIMMEAN for " & GroupName & "is " & ListSum / Div



   GroupRst.MoveNext
   Loop

End Sub



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Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 12 08:22:26 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:22:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <001c01c65dcc$a03c5d60$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <E1FTfIl-0001x6-00@pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

<<If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which
managed
to get trashed.>>

  You hit it on the head.  The ENUM key is messed up.  Your most likely
going to need to wipe the disk and start over.  With Win 98 it was nice.
You could simply delete the key, reboot, and it would re-detect everything.
I've not tried it with an XP system, but apparently it doesn't work from
what I've heard.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 08:36:45 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:36:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006301c65d8a$46eee850$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <0IXK008D1GI75Z20@l-daemon>
	<006301c65d8a$46eee850$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920604120636s325ac93h71a64e42d6343075@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
> Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
> The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
> to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.

John,

have a look at:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20815819.html
and
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;292460

The Experts exchange link talks about a similar problem to yours. The
solution was to download the latest MoBo drivers and then trying to
reinstall video driver.

The MSKB link talks about how to troubleshoot Video Adapter Drivers in
Safe mode.

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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 12 09:11:34 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:11:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Solved ( I think) Trimmean Function - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F12F8012C7471DC6912CABA9AC20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1628BEB8B10A5FB86D2FF69AC20@phx.gbl>

Okay.  I think this is now working.  Here is the code below:

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Per
Per = 0.2
Dim db As DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDb()
   Dim GroupRst As DAO.Recordset
   Set GroupRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.Profile FROM 
tblMonthlyProfile GROUP BY tblMonthlyProfile.Profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
   Dim GroupName As Field
   Set GroupName = GroupRst!Profile
   Do Until GroupRst.EOF
       Dim MyRst As DAO.Recordset
       Set MyRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.id, 
tblMonthlyProfile.Profile, tblMonthlyProfile.Unit, tblMonthlyProfile.Cmonth 
FROM tblMonthlyProfile WHERE (((tblMonthlyProfile.Profile) = " & GroupName & 
")) ORDER BY tblMonthlyProfile.profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
       Dim List As Field
       Set List = MyRst!CMonth
       Dim Counter
       Counter = MyRst.RecordCount
       Dim Trim
       Dim MaxTrim
       Dim Div

       If InStr(1, Int(Counter * Per) / 2, ".") = 0 Then
          Trim = Int(Counter * Per) / 2
           MaxTrim = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) / 2 + 1
           Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per)
       Else
           Trim = (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2
           MaxTrim = Counter - (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2 + 1
           Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) + 1
       End If



       Dim ListSum
       ListSum = 0
       Dim Num
       Num = 0
       Do Until MyRst.EOF

            Num = Num + 1
            If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then
                ListSum = ListSum + List
              Else
            ListSum = ListSum
       End If

            MyRst.MoveNext
      Loop
                Set Rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblTempData", dbOpenDynaset)
                Rst.AddNew
                Rst!CMonth = (ListSum / Div)
                Rst!Profile = GroupName
                Rst!Unit = Div
                Rst!ID = ListSum
                Rst.Update


   GroupRst.MoveNext
   Loop

End Sub



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business




From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 12 09:33:13 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:33:13 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Solved ( I think) Trimmean Function - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F1628BEB8B10A5FB86D2FF69AC20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F12CB2E92AA5D022FDFD9EFD2C20@phx.gbl>

Julie,

I read the other email...were you  trying to calculate the mean...or just 
put the remaining records in the temp table?  If you wanted the other 
records you would put your 'add the record" code in the following IF 
statement:If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then

Hope it helps...

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Julie Reardon-Taylor" <prosoft6 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Solved ( I think) Trimmean Function - How to in 
>Access
>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:11:34 -0400
>
>Okay.  I think this is now working.  Here is the code below:
>
>Private Sub Command0_Click()
>Dim Per
>Per = 0.2
>Dim db As DAO.Database
>Set db = CurrentDb()
>    Dim GroupRst As DAO.Recordset
>    Set GroupRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.Profile FROM
>tblMonthlyProfile GROUP BY tblMonthlyProfile.Profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
>    Dim GroupName As Field
>    Set GroupName = GroupRst!Profile
>    Do Until GroupRst.EOF
>        Dim MyRst As DAO.Recordset
>        Set MyRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.id,
>tblMonthlyProfile.Profile, tblMonthlyProfile.Unit, tblMonthlyProfile.Cmonth
>FROM tblMonthlyProfile WHERE (((tblMonthlyProfile.Profile) = " & GroupName 
>&
>")) ORDER BY tblMonthlyProfile.profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
>        Dim List As Field
>        Set List = MyRst!CMonth
>        Dim Counter
>        Counter = MyRst.RecordCount
>        Dim Trim
>        Dim MaxTrim
>        Dim Div
>
>        If InStr(1, Int(Counter * Per) / 2, ".") = 0 Then
>           Trim = Int(Counter * Per) / 2
>            MaxTrim = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) / 2 + 1
>            Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per)
>        Else
>            Trim = (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2
>            MaxTrim = Counter - (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2 + 1
>            Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) + 1
>        End If
>
>
>
>        Dim ListSum
>        ListSum = 0
>        Dim Num
>        Num = 0
>        Do Until MyRst.EOF
>
>             Num = Num + 1
>             If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then
>                 ListSum = ListSum + List
>               Else
>             ListSum = ListSum
>        End If
>
>             MyRst.MoveNext
>       Loop
>                 Set Rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblTempData", dbOpenDynaset)
>                 Rst.AddNew
>                 Rst!CMonth = (ListSum / Div)
>                 Rst!Profile = GroupName
>                 Rst!Unit = Div
>                 Rst!ID = ListSum
>                 Rst.Update
>
>
>    GroupRst.MoveNext
>    Loop
>
>End Sub
>
>
>
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>44 Public Square Suite #5
>Watertown, NY 13601
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 12 09:40:14 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:40:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920604120636s325ac93h71a64e42d6343075@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04ef01c65e3f$02fe5210$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Ahh! - I think you hit it on the head here Bryan.

As I mentioned earlier, I had this happen to me within the last few weeks
and I couldn't recall how I recovered from it but I do believe this is it.

The key is that you have to reinstall the drivers for the _motherboard_ and
reboot. Then the "video adapter" will be recognized and the "VgaSave
service" will reliquish control.

I would add that you should just use the original drivers and when all is
well you can tinker with updating them (gives you something to "roll back"
to in case of problems.) They worked in the first place so there is no
reason to replace them unless you'd had problems with them or they offer
some benefit to your situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for 
> WindowsXP Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter
however.
> The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display 
> adapter to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.

John,

have a look at:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20815819.html
and
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;292460

The Experts exchange link talks about a similar problem to yours. The
solution was to download the latest MoBo drivers and then trying to
reinstall video driver.

The MSKB link talks about how to troubleshoot Video Adapter Drivers in Safe
mode.

--
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 12 09:57:23 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:57:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F40@main2.marlow.com>

Why does it matter if it's gone from the tree.  Add it.  Don't let windows
search for it, just tell it you want to add a device, and you'll select it
from a list.  Select Display adapter, then click the have disk portion, and
go to your setup disk.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Wed Apr 12 10:06:57 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:06:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <04ef01c65e3f$02fe5210$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Bryan, John,

That was it!

Installing the MOBO drivers from the original disk that came with the laptop
caused a page fault (never a good sign) but on reboot it said that new
hardware had been detected, including.... The VGA adapter.  I allowed it to
install everything, but it stopped on some "SomeOtherThing.Sys required"
message.  That wasn't on the CD but I searched for it on the C: drive and
there it was in the System32/Drivers directory.  Fed in that path (twice)
and voila (after another reboot), I have my native resolution back.

Good job guys (and why I know that, if all else fails, ASK THE LIST!)


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Ahh! - I think you hit it on the head here Bryan.

As I mentioned earlier, I had this happen to me within the last few weeks
and I couldn't recall how I recovered from it but I do believe this is it.

The key is that you have to reinstall the drivers for the _motherboard_ and
reboot. Then the "video adapter" will be recognized and the "VgaSave
service" will reliquish control.

I would add that you should just use the original drivers and when all is
well you can tinker with updating them (gives you something to "roll back"
to in case of problems.) They worked in the first place so there is no
reason to replace them unless you'd had problems with them or they offer
some benefit to your situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for 
> WindowsXP Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not 
> matter
however.
> The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display 
> adapter to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.

John,

have a look at:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20815819.html
and
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;292460

The Experts exchange link talks about a similar problem to yours. The
solution was to download the latest MoBo drivers and then trying to
reinstall video driver.

The MSKB link talks about how to troubleshoot Video Adapter Drivers in Safe
mode.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 12 10:01:00 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:01:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F41@main2.marlow.com>

That can sometimes be a commit issue.  Had a project a few weeks ago that
was supposed to update a particular table when criteria were met.  That
update process was in it's own function, which had a few derived SQL
statements, and it used CurrentProject.Connection.Execute strSQL to run
them.

In debug, stepping through, worked fine.  In process though, it just didn't
run.  Switched it to DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL, worked like a charm.  What I think
happened is that I had the connection object tied up elsewhere, stepping
through gave things time to commit, but running it straight didn't, so
things were run, but the transactions were dropped.

Drew

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From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

Can someone please help me with this problem?  I know it's something simple
but I am not an Access database expert but I am learning everything I can.
I follow your email list because I have learned a lot just by reading what
the problems everyone has.
   
  I have three Access tables that update using VB code.  When I click the
Save button, they all save at the same time.  All three tables (table A, B
and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are identical.  When it
saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1 and 2 in all three tables.
The problem is, sometimes it saves to all three of the tables just fine and
other times it may just save to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three.  What
would cause it to do that?  What would cause such inconsistency to occur
when it is using the same code every time?
  Thanks
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 12 10:04:58 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:04:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F42@main2.marlow.com>

Just use one recordset.  

So it should be like this:

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew
   
rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs.AddNew
   
  rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing


Drew

(Also, a little comment, IIF is useful in SQL because you can't use If Then,
in code, you can, and If Then's are more flexible then IIF statements...)


  

-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

I apologize, the code was really so simple, I was embarrassed to post it.  I
am new to this so I am learning. But here it is:
   
  Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
  oConn.Open frmSplash.sConn
   
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
      
  rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs.AddNew
   
  rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  Set rs1 = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs1.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs1.AddNew
   
  rs1("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  Set rs2 = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs2.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs2.AddNew
   
  rs2("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  rs.Update
  rs.Close
      
  rs1.Update
  rs1.Close
   
  rs2.Update
  rs2.Close
    
  Set rs = Nothing
  Set rs1 = Nothing
  Set rs2 = Nothing
   
  oConn.Close
   
  That's it.  This works but the only problem is that because it is saving
to many tables some of the times the entries are created correctly and other
times it misses entries from 2 of the columns that must be there in all
three tables.
  Thanks

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
  On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I have three Access tables that update using VB code. When I click
> the Save button, they all save at the same time. All three tables
> (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
> identical. When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
> and 2 in all three tables. The problem is, sometimes it saves to
> all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
> to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What would cause it to do
> that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
> the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.



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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 10:38:24 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:38:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <04ef01c65e3f$02fe5210$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920604120838k5a5c5fb4jec64830c69fef426@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/12/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Bryan, John,
>
> That was it!

> Good job guys (and why I know that, if all else fails, ASK THE LIST!)

Glad that you've got it all fixed now, but you asked on the wrong
list. It shoulda been asked on  dba-tech :)


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 10:44:32 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:44:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920604120838k5a5c5fb4jec64830c69fef426@mail.gmail.com>
References: <04ef01c65e3f$02fe5210$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<e04a6c920604120838k5a5c5fb4jec64830c69fef426@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604120844p30cc55e9j6f3972b7133220b6@mail.gmail.com>

And I think it would have been answered a lot faster over there too

;-)

GK

On 4/12/06, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/12/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Bryan, John,
> >
> > That was it!
>
> > Good job guys (and why I know that, if all else fails, ASK THE LIST!)
>
> Glad that you've got it all fixed now, but you asked on the wrong
> list. It shoulda been asked on  dba-tech :)


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Wed Apr 12 10:48:09 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:48:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F40@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000301c65e48$80bcc930$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Why does it matter if it's gone from the tree.  Add it.  Don't let windows
search for it, just tell it you want to add a device, and you'll select it
from a list.  Select Display adapter, then click the have disk portion, and
go to your setup disk.


Because there is no "display adapter" to select!!! 

That is what I've been saying for the last week.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Why does it matter if it's gone from the tree.  Add it.  Don't let windows
search for it, just tell it you want to add a device, and you'll select it
from a list.  Select Display adapter, then click the have disk portion, and
go to your setup disk.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 12 10:50:41 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:50:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <056701c65e48$dac2e5e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I'm glad it worked out! I hate resorting to reinstalling windows (or knowing
someone else had to). I've rarely had to do that with XP.

We have this really cool list called dba-tech where we talk about things
like this all the time - EVERYONE'S invited to join that list also!
;o)

In fact we have other specific lists that you should all check out and
consider joining.
:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Bryan, John,

That was it!

Installing the MOBO drivers from the original disk that came with the laptop
caused a page fault (never a good sign) but on reboot it said that new
hardware had been detected, including.... The VGA adapter.  I allowed it to
install everything, but it stopped on some "SomeOtherThing.Sys required"
message.  That wasn't on the CD but I searched for it on the C: drive and
there it was in the System32/Drivers directory.  Fed in that path (twice)
and voila (after another reboot), I have my native resolution back.

Good job guys (and why I know that, if all else fails, ASK THE LIST!)


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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Wed Apr 12 11:11:19 2006
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:11:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <000301c65e2d$76acc050$abb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGEEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Hello to the list,

Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
A last minute change from the client.

thx

bob





From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 12 11:20:14 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:20:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGEEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <000601c65e4c$fb9ddc30$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

ALTER TABLE tblname
ALTER COLUMN colname Memo
WHERE colname.value = "comment"

If this is just a one-time change, you should be able to run it from the SQL
View window -- you don't even need DAO. 

Susan H. 

Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
A last minute change from the client.




From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 12 12:35:07 2006
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <000301c65e2d$76acc050$abb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <20060412173507.27415.qmail@web53606.mail.yahoo.com>

No Susan, I am not getting an error message.  It just saves it as though everything went well.  I have a message that comes back to let me know that the current record has been saved successfully.  That is what I get.

Susan Harkins <harkinsss at bellsouth.net> wrote:  1. There might not be any data -- an obvious reason, but something you might
miss if you aren't familiar with the data. Don't assume there's data, check.

2. If there's data for every column, it sounds like a missing foreign key,
an integrity conflict, or some kind of data conflict at the table level.
You're not getting an error message when this happens?

Susan H. 

The problem is, sometimes it saves to all three of the tables just fine and
other times it may just save to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What
would cause it to do that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur
when it is using the same code every time?

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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Wed Apr 12 12:35:19 2006
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:35:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <000601c65e4c$fb9ddc30$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGNEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

thanks for the quick response.
can I use some wild card chars in the Where .....?



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


ALTER TABLE tblname
ALTER COLUMN colname Memo
WHERE colname.value = "comment"

If this is just a one-time change, you should be able to run it from the SQL
View window -- you don't even need DAO.

Susan H.

Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
A last minute change from the client.


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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 12 12:37:25 2006
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F42@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20060412173726.46311.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Drew, I will try just using one recordset instead of three.  What I thought is that using one recordset would create a problem when saving.

DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:  Just use one recordset. 

So it should be like this:

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table
Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing


Drew

(Also, a little comment, IIF is useful in SQL because you can't use If Then,
in code, you can, and If Then's are more flexible then IIF statements...)




-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

I apologize, the code was really so simple, I was embarrassed to post it. I
am new to this so I am learning. But here it is:

Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
oConn.Open frmSplash.sConn

Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Set rs1 = New ADODB.Recordset

rs1.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs1.AddNew

rs1("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Set rs2 = New ADODB.Recordset

rs2.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs2.AddNew

rs2("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

rs.Update
rs.Close

rs1.Update
rs1.Close

rs2.Update
rs2.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set rs1 = Nothing
Set rs2 = Nothing

oConn.Close

That's it. This works but the only problem is that because it is saving
to many tables some of the times the entries are created correctly and other
times it misses entries from 2 of the columns that must be there in all
three tables.
Thanks

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I have three Access tables that update using VB code. When I click
> the Save button, they all save at the same time. All three tables
> (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
> identical. When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
> and 2 in all three tables. The problem is, sometimes it saves to
> all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
> to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What would cause it to do
> that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
> the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.



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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Wed Apr 12 12:44:09 2006
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:44:09 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
Message-ID: <220.b3ed303.316e9669@aol.com>

 
Hi  
I?m upsizing AXP to SQL 2000 and the new front end is ADP. And I have  form 
with 2 subforms. To populate one of the subforms I use an In-Line query  with 
the following reference in the criteria column 
= @Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_OrderDetailID 
But at run time I get a parameter popup dialog box with showing  ?
Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_? 
I?ve search KB but to no avail. Anyone know a KB article on this  subject? 
TIA 
johnc


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 12 14:21:20 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:21:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F6B@main2.marlow.com>

No, save the first, before you open the second.  And I also close it,
destroy it (set it to nothing) and recreate it if I'm going to reuse it.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

Thanks Drew, I will try just using one recordset instead of three.  What I
thought is that using one recordset would create a problem when saving.

DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:  Just use one recordset. 

So it should be like this:

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table
Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing


Drew

(Also, a little comment, IIF is useful in SQL because you can't use If Then,
in code, you can, and If Then's are more flexible then IIF statements...)




-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

I apologize, the code was really so simple, I was embarrassed to post it. I
am new to this so I am learning. But here it is:

Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
oConn.Open frmSplash.sConn

Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Set rs1 = New ADODB.Recordset

rs1.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs1.AddNew

rs1("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Set rs2 = New ADODB.Recordset

rs2.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs2.AddNew

rs2("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

rs.Update
rs.Close

rs1.Update
rs1.Close

rs2.Update
rs2.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set rs1 = Nothing
Set rs2 = Nothing

oConn.Close

That's it. This works but the only problem is that because it is saving
to many tables some of the times the entries are created correctly and other
times it misses entries from 2 of the columns that must be there in all
three tables.
Thanks

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I have three Access tables that update using VB code. When I click
> the Save button, they all save at the same time. All three tables
> (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
> identical. When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
> and 2 in all three tables. The problem is, sometimes it saves to
> all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
> to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What would cause it to do
> that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
> the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr 12 14:50:00 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:50:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5AC2@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You can't do that.  SQL Server knows absolutely nothing about Access
forms, even in an ADP.  


Charlotte Foust

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Johncliviger at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:44 AM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000

 
Hi
I'm upsizing AXP to SQL 2000 and the new front end is ADP. And I have
form with 2 subforms. To populate one of the subforms I use an In-Line
query  with the following reference in the criteria column =
@Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_OrderDetailID
But at run time I get a parameter popup dialog box with showing  "
Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_" 
I've search KB but to no avail. Anyone know a KB article on this
subject? 
TIA
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 12 15:43:04 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:43:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F6B@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c65e71$b74f9800$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I don't know what the relationships are between these tables, but it seems
like, if you base one recordset on a query based on all three tables, you'd
just need one recordset. 

Susan H. 

No, save the first, before you open the second.  And I also close it,
destroy it (set it to nothing) and recreate it if I'm going to reuse it.




From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 12 15:43:04 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:43:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGNEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c65e71$bf05c6a0$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Yes. 

Susan H. 

thanks for the quick response.
can I use some wild card chars in the Where .....?



From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Apr 12 16:00:37 2006
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:00:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492D57A@natexch.jenkens.com>

Could the problem be syntax?  I do not know if e-mail changed it, but there
are _ several places where I would expect !.
= @Forms!Purchasers!Subform!OrderDetailID 
Would be my choice to use.  (keeping in mind that naming controls in a
subform nearly always takes me several tries to get perfect)

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:44 PM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000


 
Hi  
I'm upsizing AXP to SQL 2000 and the new front end is ADP. And I have  form 
with 2 subforms. To populate one of the subforms I use an In-Line query
with 
the following reference in the criteria column 
= @Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_OrderDetailID 
But at run time I get a parameter popup dialog box with showing  "
Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_" 
I've search KB but to no avail. Anyone know a KB article on this  subject? 
TIA 
johnc
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Apr 12 18:39:49 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:39:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
Message-ID: <001e01c65e8a$6452bec0$6601a8c0@office>

(Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

(I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

(While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

______________________________________
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Apr 12 19:03:57 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:03:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <002b01c65e8d$c2f391e0$6601a8c0@office>

(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)

I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app then they display a tab control exactly like what I need......

Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that way? I can't find it....

______________________________________
Kath Pelletti

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr 12 19:15:22 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:15:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5AE6@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
side, or did you mean vertical text? 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)

I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app then
they display a tab control exactly like what I need......

Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that way?
I can't find it....

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Apr 12 19:19:26 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:19:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5AE6@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005101c65e8f$ed2c1020$6601a8c0@office>

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that way?
> I can't find it....
>
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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Thu Apr 13 03:26:33 2006
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:26:33 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
Message-ID: <38b.50e66d.316f6539@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/04/2006 20:55:33 GMT Daylight Time,  
cfoust at infostatsystems.com writes:

Charlotte


Hi Charlotte
 
I understand that when the query is stored in the SQL server but is also  the 
case when the query is held in ADP front end?
 
johnc


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 05:04:50 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:04:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
In-Reply-To: <38b.50e66d.316f6539@aol.com>
Message-ID: <443EAEE2.20633.146AD824@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Apr 2006 at 4:26, Johncliviger at aol.com wrote:

> 
> I understand that when the query is stored in the SQL server but is also 
> the case when the query is held in ADP front end?
> 

How do you store a query in an ADP frontend?

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Apr 13 06:33:35 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:33:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625517@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I am looking for one, too. VS 2005 is the most exciting product I have
worked with since Access came out.  It is incredible.  There does not
seem to be much in the way of documentation yet.  Seems when I google
something, I get messages that the documentation is *coming soon*.  Did
you run into *one click* yet?  Every feature is a treat - I actually
spent 20 straight hours last weekend tied to my PC and this product. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 PM
To: Access D SQl Server List; Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List

(Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have
found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god
send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
learning curve....

But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic
2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very
much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book
which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

(I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that
it is more of a reference book.)

(While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there
another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 13 07:33:34 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625517@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <001701c65ef6$7b8be7d0$6601a8c0@office>

Hi Karen - what is one click?

Kath
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
List


>I am looking for one, too. VS 2005 is the most exciting product I have
> worked with since Access came out.  It is incredible.  There does not
> seem to be much in the way of documentation yet.  Seems when I google
> something, I get messages that the documentation is *coming soon*.  Did
> you run into *one click* yet?  Every feature is a treat - I actually
> spent 20 straight hours last weekend tied to my PC and this product.
>
>
> Karen S. Long
> Programmer Analyst
> EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
> Pittsburgh, PA
> Phone: 412-386-6649
> Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 PM
> To: Access D SQl Server List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
> List
>
> (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
> I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have
> found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god
> send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
> learning curve....
>
> But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic
> 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very
> much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book
> which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
>
> (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that
> it is more of a reference book.)
>
> (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there
> another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
> ______________________________________
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 13 07:40:11 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:40:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL Linked Servers
	dialog
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74035563A8@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

We use a UNIX based claims system here and we were just provided with
ODBC connectivity to that system that we're hoping to use on a web app
we host for our network of doctors.  It's a BASIS database and the  OCBC
connector is the BASIS ODBC for the Diamond System (for those familiar).

We're trying to link to this using SQL Linked Servers but the ODBC will
not appear in the SQL drop-down list of available providers in the link
server dialog box.  The tool is registered on the server as far as we
can tell (and on my developer's machine).  When we try to access the DB
directly using ADO we get an error, "Unable to open socket connection".
This leads me to believe the that it is indeed registered on one of the
machines.  It is possible to link the BASIS system to Access and we do
have that connectivity in place on another application.  SQL is required
for our web app however.  It would seem to me that this should be
possible.

Has anyone experienced anything similar with this or another not too
common driver in SQL?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Application Development
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 07:47:33 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:47:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL Linked
	Servers dialog
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When connecting to Oracle databases via ODBC I first have to define
the ODBC Data Source by going to Control Panel/Administrative
Tools/Data Sources(ODBC) before it shows as an option to link to.

GK

On 4/13/06, Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> We use a UNIX based claims system here and we were just provided with
> ODBC connectivity to that system that we're hoping to use on a web app
> we host for our network of doctors.  It's a BASIS database and the  OCBC
> connector is the BASIS ODBC for the Diamond System (for those familiar).
>
> We're trying to link to this using SQL Linked Servers but the ODBC will
> not appear in the SQL drop-down list of available providers in the link
> server dialog box.  The tool is registered on the server as far as we
> can tell (and on my developer's machine).  When we try to access the DB
> directly using ADO we get an error, "Unable to open socket connection".
> This leads me to believe the that it is indeed registered on one of the
> machines.  It is possible to link the BASIS system to Access and we do
> have that connectivity in place on another application.  SQL is required
> for our web app however.  It would seem to me that this should be
> possible.
>
> Has anyone experienced anything similar with this or another not too
> common driver in SQL?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Application Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 13 07:55:40 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:55:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL
 LinkedServers dialog
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74035563A9@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

As a DSN right?  Yes we did create system DSNs on the server and on the
developer's machine.

After you created the DSN you saw the Oracle provider listed?

Thanks 


Jim DeMarco

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL
LinkedServers dialog

When connecting to Oracle databases via ODBC I first have to define the
ODBC Data Source by going to Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Data
Sources(ODBC) before it shows as an option to link to.

GK

On 4/13/06, Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> We use a UNIX based claims system here and we were just provided with 
> ODBC connectivity to that system that we're hoping to use on a web app

> we host for our network of doctors.  It's a BASIS database and the  
> OCBC connector is the BASIS ODBC for the Diamond System (for those
familiar).
>
> We're trying to link to this using SQL Linked Servers but the ODBC 
> will not appear in the SQL drop-down list of available providers in 
> the link server dialog box.  The tool is registered on the server as 
> far as we can tell (and on my developer's machine).  When we try to 
> access the DB directly using ADO we get an error, "Unable to open
socket connection".
> This leads me to believe the that it is indeed registered on one of 
> the machines.  It is possible to link the BASIS system to Access and 
> we do have that connectivity in place on another application.  SQL is 
> required for our web app however.  It would seem to me that this 
> should be possible.
>
> Has anyone experienced anything similar with this or another not too 
> common driver in SQL?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Application Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************
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> only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 08:41:11 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a function in a module as follows:

Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

 

When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)

This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks

 

The SQL is a follows:

SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1

FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)

WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 09:06:45 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:06:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL
	LinkedServers dialog
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Yes, with the system DSN defined on the developer or users system then
the provider is listed when I go to link tables under the ODBC type. 
For Oracle we also need something else installed on the system -
SQLNET which gets installed as part of the Oracle Client software
install. And there is a control table called a TNSNAMES.ORA text file
that lists the server names and port numbers of the actual Oracle
Database instances that must also be in the right location on the
client side machine. But those are Oracle ODBC specific things. Those
same things need to be defined in order to use other tools to access
the Oracle databases as well. Toad, SQL Navigator and SQL Plus all
need the TNSNAMES.ORA and SQLNET installs to be done or they won't
work either. They don't need the ODBC Data source defined though.

Good luck figuring it out.

GK

On 4/13/06, Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> As a DSN right?  Yes we did create system DSNs on the server and on the
> developer's machine.
>
> After you created the DSN you saw the Oracle provider listed?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL
> LinkedServers dialog
>
> When connecting to Oracle databases via ODBC I first have to define the
> ODBC Data Source by going to Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Data
> Sources(ODBC) before it shows as an option to link to.
>
> GK
>
> On 4/13/06, Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > We use a UNIX based claims system here and we were just provided with
> > ODBC connectivity to that system that we're hoping to use on a web app
>
> > we host for our network of doctors.  It's a BASIS database and the
> > OCBC connector is the BASIS ODBC for the Diamond System (for those
> familiar).
> >
> > We're trying to link to this using SQL Linked Servers but the ODBC
> > will not appear in the SQL drop-down list of available providers in
> > the link server dialog box.  The tool is registered on the server as
> > far as we can tell (and on my developer's machine).  When we try to
> > access the DB directly using ADO we get an error, "Unable to open
> socket connection".
> > This leads me to believe the that it is indeed registered on one of
> > the machines.  It is possible to link the BASIS system to Access and
> > we do have that connectivity in place on another application.  SQL is
> > required for our web app however.  It would seem to me that this
> > should be possible.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced anything similar with this or another not too
> > common driver in SQL?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> > Director of Application Development
> > Hudson Health Plan
> >
> >
> >
> > **********************************************************************
> > ************* "This electronic message is intended to be for the use
> > only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not
> the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 09:28:20 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:28:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <443EECA4.28122.155C1299@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have a function in a module as follows:
> 
> Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

First point - avoid variants wherever possible. Try defining D and the 
function as dates.

> When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
> Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
> 
> This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
> query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> The SQL is a follows:
> 
> SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> 
Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date]

-- 
Stuart




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 09:38:10 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:38:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E832@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Good ideas. Made the changes. Still get the error message.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have a function in a module as follows:
> 
> Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

First point - avoid variants wherever possible. Try defining D and the 
function as dates.

> When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
> Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
> 
> This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in
a
> query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> The SQL is a follows:
> 
> SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> 
Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date]

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 09:41:34 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:41:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <443EECA4.28122.155C1299@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <443EEFBE.21403.15683123@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Apr 2006 at 0:28, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> 
> > I have a function in a module as follows:
> > 
> > Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant
> 
> First point - avoid variants wherever possible. Try defining D and the
> function as dates.
> 

Or more likely as integers :-(


-- 
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From fahooper at trapo.com  Thu Apr 13 09:42:58 2006
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:42:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <000001c65f08$8febf320$2e01a8c0@fredxp>

Hi Chester,

I've had intermittent problems for reasons I don't understand with functions
in queries. I would try two changes: 

(1) ProdPattern]![Date] <-- ProdPattern].[Date])
(2) Declare the function as Static, 
    e.g. Static Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

I've had both changes work for me, but sometime not.

Fred Hooper


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

I have a function in a module as follows:

Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

 

When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)

This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks

 

The SQL is a follows:

SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1

FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)

WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 09:48:07 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:48:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <443EF147.28755.156E30F7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

>> 
> SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> 
> FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
> (ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
> (ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
> 
> WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
> 

Just a WAG, but is [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  based on 
ProdPattern and does it contain the field ProdPattern.Date?

If so, try giving the Date field in the query an alias like "PDate:[Date]"

-- 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 09:53:23 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:53:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Well I have tried both the bang and the dot on [ProdPattern].[Date] and
declaring the function static and still it gives the error message.
Thanks for the ideas.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

Hi Chester,

I've had intermittent problems for reasons I don't understand with
functions
in queries. I would try two changes: 

(1) ProdPattern]![Date] <-- ProdPattern].[Date])
(2) Declare the function as Static, 
    e.g. Static Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

I've had both changes work for me, but sometime not.

Fred Hooper


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

I have a function in a module as follows:

Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

 

When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)

This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks

 

The SQL is a follows:

SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1

FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)

WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 09:58:04 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E859@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

No [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  is not based on the table
ProdPattern. I might try something with the date thing anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

>> 
> SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> 
> FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]
ON
> (ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
> (ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
> 
> WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
> 

Just a WAG, but is [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  based on 
ProdPattern and does it contain the field ProdPattern.Date?

If so, try giving the Date field in the query an alias like
"PDate:[Date]"

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 10:08:13 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:08:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E859@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <443EF5FD.9514.1580975A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Apr 2006 at 9:58, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> No [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  is not based on the table
> ProdPattern. I might try something with the date thing anyway.
> 

Do you by any chance have an "Expr1:" in [qry Pattern Days on Injection by 
Fluid] ?
-- 
Stuart




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 10:26:39 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:26:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E88B@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

No I don't have an "Expr1:" in [qry Pattern Days on Injection by 
Fluid] ?

Keep the ideas coming. I thought this should be simple. Silly me.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

On 13 Apr 2006 at 9:58, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> No [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  is not based on the table
> ProdPattern. I might try something with the date thing anyway.
> 

Do you by any chance have an "Expr1:" in [qry Pattern Days on Injection
by 
Fluid] ?
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 10:32:20 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:32:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F17537BEB64668CBB0CF94FD2C30@phx.gbl>

Chester,

I've seen all of the other ideas...how about just removing one field at a 
time from your select query until you find the offending field...then that 
might give some direction.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
>
>I have a function in a module as follows:
>
>Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant
>
>
>
>When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
>Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
>
>This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
>query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
>
>
>
>The SQL is a follows:
>
>SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
>ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
>DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
>
>FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
>(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
>(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
>
>WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
>
>
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 13 10:48:38 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:48:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <E1FU43q-0000kO-00@pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

 Change to 

 SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2(ProdPattern.[Date]) AS Expr1

  and BTW, it's a bad idea to use a reserved word as the name of a field
('Date').  Never know when something like that will give you a problem.
That may be the problem here.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

I have a function in a module as follows:

Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

 

When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)

This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks

 

The SQL is a follows:

SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1

FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)

WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 11:13:27 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:13:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E8BA@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Shortened the query to the following. Changed the field name Date in the
table ProdPattern to RecordDate. Still get the same error. Tried the
function in the module and it worked fine. Thanks for the ideas.

SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
Expr1
FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1 ON
([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date =
ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

Chester,

I've seen all of the other ideas...how about just removing one field at
a 
time from your select query until you find the offending field...then
that 
might give some direction.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
>
>I have a function in a module as follows:
>
>Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant
>
>
>
>When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
>Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
>
>This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
>query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
>
>
>
>The SQL is a follows:
>
>SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
>ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
>DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
>
>FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
>(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
>(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
>
>WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
>
>
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
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>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 11:51:34 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:51:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E8BA@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F7799A0D96ACEFE94682AED2C30@phx.gbl>

Not sure if this is relevent...but I searched google...and found another 
list that had this discussion.  Theirs turned out that the public function 
being used in the query was in multiple locations in the db and causing the 
Ambiguous error.  Do you have another macro/form/module named DaysInMonth2?

Hope it helps,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:13:27 -0500
>
>Shortened the query to the following. Changed the field name Date in the
>table ProdPattern to RecordDate. Still get the same error. Tried the
>function in the module and it worked fine. Thanks for the ideas.
>
>SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
>Expr1
>FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1 ON
>([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date =
>ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:32 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>
>Chester,
>
>I've seen all of the other ideas...how about just removing one field at
>a
>time from your select query until you find the offending field...then
>that
>might give some direction.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
> >From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
> >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
> >
> >I have a function in a module as follows:
> >
> >Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant
> >
> >
> >
> >When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
> >Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
> >
> >This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
> >query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >The SQL is a follows:
> >
> >SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> >ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> >Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> >DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> >
> >FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
> >(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
> >(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
> >
> >WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
> >
> >
> >
> >Chester Kaup
> >
> >Engineering Technician
> >
> >Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> >
> >Office (432) 688-3797
> >
> >FAX (432) 688-3799
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Thu Apr 13 12:18:53 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:18:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFA4E@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Chester,

> ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible. 
> Try defining D and the function as dates ... 

While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
parameters defined as Variant, too. 

> ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...

Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
dot)

> ... Declare the function as Static ... 

While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
extra explicit, you can use: 

   Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)

Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
probably don't have a duplicate function definition. 

You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
error. 

Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
reserved words. 

-Ken


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 13:04:54 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E925@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Responses in blue and italics. Thanks everyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression


Chester,

> ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible. 
> Try defining D and the function as dates ... 

While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
parameters defined as Variant, too. 

Tried it both as variants and as date and integer. Error message still
appears.

> ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...

Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
dot)
Tried both dot and bang with same error message.

> ... Declare the function as Static ... 

While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
extra explicit, you can use: 

   Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)

Made this change and still get the error message.

Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
probably don't have a duplicate function definition. 

You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
error. 

Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
reserved words. 

Here is the latest short version of the query. Still get the error
message. Frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone.

SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
Expr1
FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1 ON
([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].ProdDate =
ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 13:25:52 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E925@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F21541D9E778E65F426B4B4D2C30@phx.gbl>

One thing that has grabbed my attention from the Beginning was Expr1...have 
you tried naming this?...and second...if you remove the [qry Pattern Days on 
Injection by Fluid] from the join do you still get the error?

Mark


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:54 -0500
>
>Responses in blue and italics. Thanks everyone.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>
>
>Chester,
>
> > ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible.
> > Try defining D and the function as dates ...
>
>While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
>type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
>functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
>parameters defined as Variant, too.
>
>Tried it both as variants and as date and integer. Error message still
>appears.
>
> > ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...
>
>Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
>dot)
>Tried both dot and bang with same error message.
>
> > ... Declare the function as Static ...
>
>While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
>use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
>extra explicit, you can use:
>
>    Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)
>
>Made this change and still get the error message.
>
>Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
>probably don't have a duplicate function definition.
>
>You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
>Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
>without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
>in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
>decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
>error.
>
>Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
>SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
>'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
>reserved words.
>
>Here is the latest short version of the query. Still get the error
>message. Frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone.
>
>SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
>Expr1
>FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1 ON
>([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].ProdDate =
>ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
>-Ken
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 13:39:34 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E947@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Renamed EXP1 to DM and removed [qry Pattern Days on 
Injection by Fluid] from the query. Still wants to give an error.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

One thing that has grabbed my attention from the Beginning was
Expr1...have 
you tried naming this?...and second...if you remove the [qry Pattern
Days on 
Injection by Fluid] from the join do you still get the error?

Mark


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:54 -0500
>
>Responses in blue and italics. Thanks everyone.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>
>
>Chester,
>
> > ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible.
> > Try defining D and the function as dates ...
>
>While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
>type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
>functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
>parameters defined as Variant, too.
>
>Tried it both as variants and as date and integer. Error message still
>appears.
>
> > ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...
>
>Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
>dot)
>Tried both dot and bang with same error message.
>
> > ... Declare the function as Static ...
>
>While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
>use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
>extra explicit, you can use:
>
>    Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)
>
>Made this change and still get the error message.
>
>Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
>probably don't have a duplicate function definition.
>
>You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
>Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
>without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
>in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
>decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
>error.
>
>Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
>SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
>'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
>reserved words.
>
>Here is the latest short version of the query. Still get the error
>message. Frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone.
>
>SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
>Expr1
>FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1
ON
>([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].ProdDate =
>ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 13:46:03 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:46:03 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Calculate Pool Times
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E925@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1728C52799F054F361678CD2C30@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one 
is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials 
calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.  
The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 
22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be 
one tomorrow.

I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and rate. 
  Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

16:00-16:59 3$
17:00-18:59 0$
19:00-19:59 3$
20:00-21:59 1.5$
22:00-23:00 3$

I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the 
each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 14:15:04 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:15:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E961@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem solved. Did some digging around and the function was in 2 of my
12 modules. Removed one. All works now. Thanks everyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

One thing that has grabbed my attention from the Beginning was
Expr1...have 
you tried naming this?...and second...if you remove the [qry Pattern
Days on 
Injection by Fluid] from the join do you still get the error?

Mark


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:54 -0500
>
>Responses in blue and italics. Thanks everyone.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>
>
>Chester,
>
> > ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible.
> > Try defining D and the function as dates ...
>
>While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
>type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
>functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
>parameters defined as Variant, too.
>
>Tried it both as variants and as date and integer. Error message still
>appears.
>
> > ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...
>
>Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
>dot)
>Tried both dot and bang with same error message.
>
> > ... Declare the function as Static ...
>
>While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
>use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
>extra explicit, you can use:
>
>    Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)
>
>Made this change and still get the error message.
>
>Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
>probably don't have a duplicate function definition.
>
>You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
>Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
>without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
>in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
>decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
>error.
>
>Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
>SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
>'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
>reserved words.
>
>Here is the latest short version of the query. Still get the error
>message. Frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone.
>
>SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
>Expr1
>FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1
ON
>([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].ProdDate =
>ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Apr 13 14:08:51 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:08:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
In-Reply-To: <25826362.1144954207369.JavaMail.root@sniper16>
Message-ID: <000001c65f2d$b3da40f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Mark,

I just finished a weekend days count function, and what you're doing is very
similar, and your approach is fine.  You max loop size is 24.  You can look
up 'Count Weekend Days' in the AccessD archive.  There you will find Drew
Wutka's magic code.

And - make a separate form to be able to manage your rates (which should be
in a lookup table), and I think it will work well.  Your lookup table should
have 24 rows, assuming you will always change rates on the hour.

Dan 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times

Hello All,

I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one 
is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials 
calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.

The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 
22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be 
one tomorrow.

I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and rate.

  Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

16:00-16:59 3$
17:00-18:59 0$
19:00-19:59 3$
20:00-21:59 1.5$
22:00-23:00 3$

I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the 
each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Apr 13 15:15:01 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:15:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A7002@main2.marlow.com>

Why not make it easier on yourself, and create a table based on minutes.

If it's $3 an hour from 1600 to 1659, that's 60 minutes, thus $.05 a minute.
Why not create a table that like

1600 .05
1601 .05
1602 .05
....

1700 0
1701 0

....
2000 .025
2001 .025
2002 .025

....
2200 .05
2201 .05

Etc.  Then, to calculate how much someone owes, you create a query that
includes all of the 'minutes' played, and do a sum on the charge field.
Whalla.  It would be pretty easy to 'populate' such a table from a nice form
that would allow for new 'specials'.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times

Hello All,

I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one 
is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials 
calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.

The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 
22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be 
one tomorrow.

I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and rate.

  Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

16:00-16:59 3$
17:00-18:59 0$
19:00-19:59 3$
20:00-21:59 1.5$
22:00-23:00 3$

I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the 
each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 15:48:47 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:48:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
Message-ID: <BAY114-F29B49217A9EBE1C4A2935CD2C30@phx.gbl>

Drew,

That is absolutely perfect...I think...at first glance...I don't even have 
to loop through to figure out what price...and this looks like a legitimate 
reason to use a Cartesian join?

Thanks,

Mark




>From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:15:01 -0500
>
>Why not make it easier on yourself, and create a table based on minutes.
>
>If it's $3 an hour from 1600 to 1659, that's 60 minutes, thus $.05 a 
>minute.
>Why not create a table that like
>
>1600 .05
>1601 .05
>1602 .05
>....
>
>1700 0
>1701 0
>
>....
>2000 .025
>2001 .025
>2002 .025
>
>....
>2200 .05
>2201 .05
>
>Etc.  Then, to calculate how much someone owes, you create a query that
>includes all of the 'minutes' played, and do a sum on the charge field.
>Whalla.  It would be pretty easy to 'populate' such a table from a nice 
>form
>that would allow for new 'specials'.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>
>Hello All,
>
>I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one
>is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials
>calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.
>
>The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to
>22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be
>one tomorrow.
>
>I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and 
>rate.
>
>   Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:
>
>16:00-16:59 3$
>17:00-18:59 0$
>19:00-19:59 3$
>20:00-21:59 1.5$
>22:00-23:00 3$
>
>I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the
>each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?
>
>Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Apr 13 15:54:21 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A7008@main2.marlow.com>

The only catch would be if it goes past midnight.  If that's the case, just
put an arbitrary date into the time field, say 1-1-1899.  Then when you do
the query, set the start date to 'CurrentDate'-'whatever would take it to
1-1-1899.  However, I doubt you would have a pool hall open 24 hours, so it
may be easier to assign a third 'order' field, which would probably be
easier.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times

Drew,

That is absolutely perfect...I think...at first glance...I don't even have 
to loop through to figure out what price...and this looks like a legitimate 
reason to use a Cartesian join?

Thanks,

Mark




>From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:15:01 -0500
>
>Why not make it easier on yourself, and create a table based on minutes.
>
>If it's $3 an hour from 1600 to 1659, that's 60 minutes, thus $.05 a 
>minute.
>Why not create a table that like
>
>1600 .05
>1601 .05
>1602 .05
>....
>
>1700 0
>1701 0
>
>....
>2000 .025
>2001 .025
>2002 .025
>
>....
>2200 .05
>2201 .05
>
>Etc.  Then, to calculate how much someone owes, you create a query that
>includes all of the 'minutes' played, and do a sum on the charge field.
>Whalla.  It would be pretty easy to 'populate' such a table from a nice 
>form
>that would allow for new 'specials'.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>
>Hello All,
>
>I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one
>is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials
>calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.
>
>The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to
>22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be
>one tomorrow.
>
>I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and 
>rate.
>
>   Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:
>
>16:00-16:59 3$
>17:00-18:59 0$
>19:00-19:59 3$
>20:00-21:59 1.5$
>22:00-23:00 3$
>
>I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the
>each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?
>
>Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 13 16:31:10 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:31:10 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It's Friday here already - 1:27 a.m. - some technical
	humor - Why I hate frameworks....
Message-ID: <000701c65f41$b49403f0$6501a8c0@Nant>

http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12

<quote>
So this week, we're introducing a general-purpose tool-building factory 
factory factory, so that all of your different tool factory factories can be 
produced by a single, unified factory. The factory factory factory will 
produce only the tool factory factories that you actually need, and each of 
those factory factories will produce a single factory based on your custom 
tool specifications. The final set of tools that emerge from this process 
will be the ideal tools for your particular project. You'll have *exactly* 
the hammer you need, and exactly the right tape measure for your task, all 
at the press of a button (though you may also have to deploy a few 
*configuration files* to make it all work according to your expectations).
</quote>

Have fun!

Shamil



From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Apr 13 16:37:47 2006
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:37:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access To Excel - Best Practices For Protecting Formulas
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F29B49217A9EBE1C4A2935CD2C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <071a01c65f42$82151da0$026fa8c0@stormy>

 Hi:

Hopefully this will be my last message on this subject (much thanks to Jim
Hale and the rest of the list for helping me with my Access to Excel VBA
woes). I'm building a pretty complex workbook from Access (multiple
worksheets, using named ranges in formulas), and everything is working fine,
data is coming down from access, my template correctly formats the results
(conditional formatting even works!) and I'm pretty happy. 

Since we're getting ready to roll this out to the sales dept, I'm wondering
what is the best way to protect all of my formulas from someone
inadvertantly deleting or altering them? While I have some of the cells on
the workbook that can be edited, the majority are formulas that need to be
protected. Can I do this sort of selective protection in VBA?

Thanks in advance for any hints.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314.432.5886
fx. 314.432.3304




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Apr 13 16:37:29 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:37:29 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - CD Writer Software
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060414093407.01a44d38@dalyn.co.nz>

Team,

Looking for suggestions.  I have Nero 5 which is playing up (not 
burning - possibly due to recent Microsoft Office SP2 updates) and 
the Nero website doesn't seem to support it any more.

I am looking for a replacement CD burner program so that I can back 
up my development files onto CD.  Nothing fancy, just free.

Any suggestions?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand 



From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr 13 17:40:58 2006
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:40:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access To Excel - Best Practices For Protecting
	Formulas
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A05CA7044@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Larry, 

I've not done this from the Access side, but here's a little procedure
that I keep in my Excel macro stash to invoke protection on the current
workbook.  It can probably be used to do what you're trying to do.

As for the selective protection, each cell in a workbook has a
"protected" property that can be set using the cell's formatting
interface.  When you apply protection, only those cells flagged for
protection will be locked down.  This allows you to be selective with
your protection.  Again, I'm sure you could programatically select a
range of cells, set the protection flags for the range, and then apply
protection using this code.  Bear in mind that you'd have to
programatically un-protect the book to make any automated mods to it
after it's been locked down.

Hope this helps . . .

Don McGillivray


Sub SecureSheets()
'----------------------------------------------------
'This code protects all tabs in the active workbook,
'using the password specified below
'----------------------------------------------------

Dim intCounter As Integer
Dim intSheets As Integer
Dim strPwd As String

intSheets = ActiveWorkbook.Worksheets.Count
'Specify the desired password between the quotes in the line below

        strPwd = "password"

For intCounter = 1 To intSheets
    ActiveWorkbook.Worksheets(intCounter).Protect password:=strPwd
Next
End Sub




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 13 21:14:26 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:14:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <000301c65f69$2890f070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection)
End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Apr 13 21:49:45 2006
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:49:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
References: <000301c65f69$2890f070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <022401c65f6e$17bcd390$6401a8c0@default>

> Function TestFWMemLeak()
>    While 1
>        DoEvents
>        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
>    Wend
> End Function
> Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection)
> End Function

This may be way off target, but you don't seem to want to use either 
SET or NEW, as in Set adoConnection = New ADODB.Connection
Maybe it's doing for you and causing the leak?



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 22:23:42 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:23:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A7008@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F187C58CC31D734D1A9D184D2C00@phx.gbl>

Ive thought about that...I plan on building the table with just times...and 
append the current date to the beginning of the time...and do the difference 
with the date involved...this should account for date change.

Thanks again for the ideas.

Mark


>From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:21 -0500
>
>The only catch would be if it goes past midnight.  If that's the case, just
>put an arbitrary date into the time field, say 1-1-1899.  Then when you do
>the query, set the start date to 'CurrentDate'-'whatever would take it to
>1-1-1899.  However, I doubt you would have a pool hall open 24 hours, so it
>may be easier to assign a third 'order' field, which would probably be
>easier.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:49 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>
>Drew,
>
>That is absolutely perfect...I think...at first glance...I don't even have
>to loop through to figure out what price...and this looks like a legitimate
>reason to use a Cartesian join?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>
> >From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
> >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:15:01 -0500
> >
> >Why not make it easier on yourself, and create a table based on minutes.
> >
> >If it's $3 an hour from 1600 to 1659, that's 60 minutes, thus $.05 a
> >minute.
> >Why not create a table that like
> >
> >1600 .05
> >1601 .05
> >1602 .05
> >....
> >
> >1700 0
> >1701 0
> >
> >....
> >2000 .025
> >2001 .025
> >2002 .025
> >
> >....
> >2200 .05
> >2201 .05
> >
> >Etc.  Then, to calculate how much someone owes, you create a query that
> >includes all of the 'minutes' played, and do a sum on the charge field.
> >Whalla.  It would be pretty easy to 'populate' such a table from a nice
> >form
> >that would allow for new 'specials'.
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some 
>one
> >is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials
> >calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 
>23:00.
> >
> >The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to
> >22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be
> >one tomorrow.
> >
> >I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and
> >rate.
> >
> >   Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:
> >
> >16:00-16:59 3$
> >17:00-18:59 0$
> >19:00-19:59 3$
> >20:00-21:59 1.5$
> >22:00-23:00 3$
> >
> >I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the
> >each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?
> >
> >Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark A. Matte
> >
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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr 14 05:24:13 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:24:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: WAN/VPN network over Broadband
References: <0INK00H0WYQGI2@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <004a01c65fad$93e4e3b0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Jim,

This goes back to last September.  I have just done some reading on 
replication of mdb's but I still don't understand how to do it over the 
telephone (ie. broadband - DSL).  The remote site only needs read, not edit 
or delete, capabilities but I don't suppose that would have anything to do 
with the backend database, I just mean that a daily replica would be fine. 
It doesn't have to be real-time.

Penn

> It all depends on what the two offices want to share. I have to assume as
> you are asking within an Access forum that you are looking database
> solution. The simplest database sharing method, as they have broadband,
> would be two Access versions, one for each site and a replication between
> them. 



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Apr 14 07:19:38 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:19:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362553E@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

You can create an executable - no more sagekey or that second rate
Access Deployment Package Wizard. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List

Hi Karen - what is one click?

Kath
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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
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>I am looking for one, too. VS 2005 is the most exciting product I have

>worked with since Access came out.  It is incredible.  There does not  
>seem to be much in the way of documentation yet.  Seems when I google  
>something, I get messages that the documentation is *coming soon*.  Did

>you run into *one click* yet?  Every feature is a treat - I actually  
>spent 20 straight hours last weekend tied to my PC and this product.
>
>
> Karen S. Long
> Programmer Analyst
> EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
> Pittsburgh, PA
> Phone: 412-386-6649
> Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
> Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 PM
> To: Access D SQl Server List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
> List
>
> (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
> I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have 
> found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute 
> god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through 
> this learning curve....
>
> But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual 
> Basic
> 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - 
> very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a 
> book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any
recommendations?
>
> (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that 
> that it is more of a reference book.)
>
> (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is 
> there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
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From marcus at tsstech.com  Fri Apr 14 07:29:20 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:29:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A35@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

I have a solution that uses only SQL statements...

Tables needed:

Discount
========
 DiscountID           AutoNumber
 Description          Text
 StartDateTime        Date/time
 EndDateTime          Date/Time
 RatePerHour          Currency   (amount to discount off standard rate)

TableTime
=========
 TableTimeID          Autonumber
 Person               Text
 StartDateTime        Date/Time
 EndDateTime          Date/Time

Queries:

StandardRate
============

SELECT TableTimeID,
       Person,
       "Standard Time" AS Description,
       StartDateTime,
       EndDateTime,
       3 AS RatePerHour,
       DateDiff("n",StartDateTime,EndDateTime)/60 AS Hours
       RatePerHour*Hours AS Amount
FROM TableTime

PlayerDiscounts
===============

SELECT T.TableTimeID,
       T.Person,
       D.Description,
       IIF(D.StartDateTime<T.StartDateTime,
           T.StartDateTime,D.StartDateTime) AS Start,
       IIF(D.EndDateTime<T.EndDateTime,
           D.EndDateTime,T.EndDateTime) AS End,
       D.RatePerHour,
       DateDiff("n", IIf(D.StartDateTime<T.StartDateTime,
                         T.StartDateTime,
                         D.StartDateTime),
                     IIf(D.EndDateTime<T.EndDateTime,
                         D.[EndDateTime],
                         T.EndDateTime))/60 AS Hours,
       RatePerHour*Hours AS Amount
FROM TableTime T, Discount D
WHERE (D.StartDateTime<=T.EndDateTime) AND
      (D.EndDateTime>=T.StartDateTime)
ORDER BY T.TableTimeID

PlayerCharges
=============

SELECT * FROM StandardRate
UNION
SELECT * FROM PlayerDiscounts

TotalCharges
============

SELECT TableTimeID,
       Person,
       Sum(Amount) AS Total
FROM PlayerCharges
GROUP BY TableTimeID, Person

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times

Hello All,

I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some
one 
is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials 
calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to
23:00.

The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 
22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only
be 
one tomorrow.

I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and
rate.

  Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

16:00-16:59 3$
17:00-18:59 0$
19:00-19:59 3$
20:00-21:59 1.5$
22:00-23:00 3$

I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to
the 
each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 14 09:22:10 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:22:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
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Scott,

Thanks for the example.  I'll put it against the 'Cartesian join' approach 
with a list of times...and see if I can find some benifits in one or the 
other.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:29:20 -0400
>
>I have a solution that uses only SQL statements...
>
>Tables needed:
>
>Discount
>========
>  DiscountID           AutoNumber
>  Description          Text
>  StartDateTime        Date/time
>  EndDateTime          Date/Time
>  RatePerHour          Currency   (amount to discount off standard rate)
>
>TableTime
>=========
>  TableTimeID          Autonumber
>  Person               Text
>  StartDateTime        Date/Time
>  EndDateTime          Date/Time
>
>Queries:
>
>StandardRate
>============
>
>SELECT TableTimeID,
>        Person,
>        "Standard Time" AS Description,
>        StartDateTime,
>        EndDateTime,
>        3 AS RatePerHour,
>        DateDiff("n",StartDateTime,EndDateTime)/60 AS Hours
>        RatePerHour*Hours AS Amount
>FROM TableTime
>
>PlayerDiscounts
>===============
>
>SELECT T.TableTimeID,
>        T.Person,
>        D.Description,
>        IIF(D.StartDateTime<T.StartDateTime,
>            T.StartDateTime,D.StartDateTime) AS Start,
>        IIF(D.EndDateTime<T.EndDateTime,
>            D.EndDateTime,T.EndDateTime) AS End,
>        D.RatePerHour,
>        DateDiff("n", IIf(D.StartDateTime<T.StartDateTime,
>                          T.StartDateTime,
>                          D.StartDateTime),
>                      IIf(D.EndDateTime<T.EndDateTime,
>                          D.[EndDateTime],
>                          T.EndDateTime))/60 AS Hours,
>        RatePerHour*Hours AS Amount
>FROM TableTime T, Discount D
>WHERE (D.StartDateTime<=T.EndDateTime) AND
>       (D.EndDateTime>=T.StartDateTime)
>ORDER BY T.TableTimeID
>
>PlayerCharges
>=============
>
>SELECT * FROM StandardRate
>UNION
>SELECT * FROM PlayerDiscounts
>
>TotalCharges
>============
>
>SELECT TableTimeID,
>        Person,
>        Sum(Amount) AS Total
>FROM PlayerCharges
>GROUP BY TableTimeID, Person
>
>Scott Marcus
>Computer Programmer
>TSS Technologies Inc.
>www.tss.com
>513-772-7000 x1113
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>
>Hello All,
>
>I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some
>one
>is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials
>calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to
>23:00.
>
>The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to
>22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only
>be
>one tomorrow.
>
>I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and
>rate.
>
>   Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:
>
>16:00-16:59 3$
>17:00-18:59 0$
>19:00-19:59 3$
>20:00-21:59 1.5$
>22:00-23:00 3$
>
>I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to
>the
>each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?
>
>Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Fri Apr 14 09:40:57 2006
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:40:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <000e01c65e71$bf05c6a0$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEKFEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Thanks again.
BTW, I enjoy your articles in the Advisor.

bob


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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


Yes. 

Susan H. 

thanks for the quick response.
can I use some wild card chars in the Where .....?

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Apr 14 09:51:10 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:51:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access To Excel - Best Practices For Protecting
	For	mulas
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB8E@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Larry,
Here is a code snippet I use:
With appexcel
 If strPW <> "none" Then 'set password
     For i = 1 To .Sheets.Count
        .Worksheets(i).Protect Password:=strPW
    Next i
        .Sheets("instruc").Unprotect Password:=strPW
        .Sheets("assumptions").Unprotect Password:=strPW
    End If
end with
 This will lock all cells that have the lock flag checked. To unlock cells
so that they can be used for input go <format><cells><protection>uncheck
<locked>. BTW the xlSheetVeryHidden constant can be used to hide sheets so
they cannot be seen  by the user at all. I use this to hide sheets where
I've placed special formulas, indexes, Password, etc that the user never
needs to see. HTH
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Mrazek [mailto:lmrazek at lcm-res.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access To Excel - Best Practices For Protecting
Formulas


 Hi:

Hopefully this will be my last message on this subject (much thanks to Jim
Hale and the rest of the list for helping me with my Access to Excel VBA
woes). I'm building a pretty complex workbook from Access (multiple
worksheets, using named ranges in formulas), and everything is working fine,
data is coming down from access, my template correctly formats the results
(conditional formatting even works!) and I'm pretty happy. 

Since we're getting ready to roll this out to the sales dept, I'm wondering
what is the best way to protect all of my formulas from someone
inadvertantly deleting or altering them? While I have some of the cells on
the workbook that can be edited, the majority are formulas that need to be
protected. Can I do this sort of selective protection in VBA?

Thanks in advance for any hints.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr 14 10:05:19 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:05:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
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Thanks! I appreciate that! Fortunately, a number of you have great ideas
that need sharing! You may have noticed that a number of those articles have
accessd co-authors. :) 

Susan H. 

Thanks again.
BTW, I enjoy your articles in the Advisor.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 14 14:20:02 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:20:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <000301c65f69$2890f070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXQ000QU8C5FXN1@l-daemon>

Hi John:

I would think that it would at the least and at the most consume all
available memory. 

The call to the ' FWInit CurrentProject.Connection ' should either be above
or below the 'While' loop.

A better was to the loop would be 
 
Function TestFWMemLeak()
    Dim BreakLoop as Boolean
	
    BreakLoop = True
	
    While BreakLoop = True
        DoEvents
        BreakLoop = FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function

Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) As Boolean

    ... 'etc....
    
    FWInit = False
	
End Function

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection)
End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Apr 14 15:54:35 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:54:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEKFEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <000001c66005$a33f1080$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 14 16:15:46 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:15:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000001c66005$a33f1080$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>
Message-ID: <0IXQ0008ODP13CN0@l-daemon>

Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Apr 14 16:32:03 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:32:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <0IXQ0008ODP13CN0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000001c6600a$df321a60$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 14 16:37:33 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:37:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <0IXQ000QU8C5FXN1@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000001c6600b$a4dc0ff0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>

Jim,

The point is to demonstrate that a simple call to a function, passing in a
reference to the connection object, CAUSES a memory leak.  When passing
anything other than a simple data type in to a function, VBA passes by
reference, i.e. a pointer to the object.  Passing by reference causes the
pointer to the object to be placed onto the stack being built for the
function call.  When the code inside of the function starts to execute, it
can reference these objects on the stack.  As the function exits, the stack
is supposed to be cleaned up by the interpreter, destroying all pointers to
objects on the stack.

Thus my code should not consume ANY memory long term.  Pass in a pointer to
an ADO recordset instead of the ADO connection object.  There is no memory
leak (as there should not be).

All my code is doing is calling a function over and over.  IF the stack is
cleaned up properly, NO memory is used.  Change the data type to a string, a
long, a variant etc.  You will see NO memory leak.  Pass in a pointer to an
ADO connection and you will see a memory leak.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Hi John:

I would think that it would at the least and at the most consume all
available memory. 

The call to the ' FWInit CurrentProject.Connection ' should either be above
or below the 'While' loop.

A better was to the loop would be 
 
Function TestFWMemLeak()
    Dim BreakLoop as Boolean
	
    BreakLoop = True
	
    While BreakLoop = True
        DoEvents
        BreakLoop = FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function

Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) As Boolean

    ... 'etc....
    
    FWInit = False
	
End Function

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 14 16:40:29 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <022401c65f6e$17bcd390$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <000101c6600c$0d61dff0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>

I am attempting to demonstrate a memory leak.  I simplified to the bare
minimum and still see a memory leak.  That is ALL that my code (as shown in
the email) is for. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

> Function TestFWMemLeak()
>    While 1
>        DoEvents
>        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
>    Wend
> End Function
> Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

This may be way off target, but you don't seem to want to use either SET or
NEW, as in Set adoConnection = New ADODB.Connection Maybe it's doing for you
and causing the leak?

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From max at sherman.org.uk  Fri Apr 14 16:42:50 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:42:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000001c6600a$df321a60$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>
Message-ID: <000701c6600c$61ed6620$dd6b1152@Max>

Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it from a
text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  That should
clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and import it into that
(but link the tables it uses first so that the import function *finds* the
tables it refers to).  Both these work for me from time to time.

Regards

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 14 16:52:01 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:52:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
Message-ID: <000f01c6600d$aa5709b0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>

What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full on
adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to print to
this.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Apr 14 16:55:58 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:55:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000701c6600c$61ed6620$dd6b1152@Max>
Message-ID: <000001c6600e$369682c0$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Hi Max,

Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I seem
to remember something about there being a limit on the size of queries, but
have not found anything specific.

I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user friendly
manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this way.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Doug

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it from a
text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  That should
clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and import it into that
(but link the tables it uses first so that the import function *finds* the
tables it refers to).  Both these work for me from time to time.

Regards

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From max at sherman.org.uk  Fri Apr 14 17:13:39 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:13:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWZt4UlhGRNs4nf35oT6aTEOCMA
Message-ID: <001001c66010$b038e620$dd6b1152@Max>

Doug, that just doesn't make sense.  Either you have something wrong with
you installation of Access (try importing it as a txt file on another
machine if possible) or open it with notepad and then save it again having
made some alteration so that it actually saves a new version.  

If it runs but doesn't open for edits then that is so weird.  

Another thing you could try is to create a new DB and import it and THEN
create a new form with that as the recordsource and then create a command
button from the wizard selecting the option to filter by form - there are
two wizards there, so try them both.  

If no success, then open it in notepad, select all (Ctl-A) and then on the
new DB create a new query, select nothing,  click on SQL on the  toolbar and
paste it into that,  before running it, select the option for design and see
if it opens.

Regards

Max

Ps. Although this has come from my home email address, please reply to my
work Email address (max.sherman at mga-charity.org) as I will still be picking
up my email


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:56
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Max,

Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I seem
to remember something about there being a limit on the size of queries, but
have not found anything specific.

I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user friendly
manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this way.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Doug

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it from a
text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  That should
clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and import it into that
(but link the tables it uses first so that the import function *finds* the
tables it refers to).  Both these work for me from time to time.

Regards

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From max at sherman.org.uk  Fri Apr 14 17:47:16 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:47:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <000001c6600b$a4dc0ff0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001101c66015$6221a670$dd6b1152@Max>

John, what you are saying is correct.  This is what should happen.  Please
(if you can) report it to MS.  No telling how widespread this is.  You have
isolated one instance but who can tell how many others (?).  No wonder we
all experience weird behavior completely unexplainable, from time to time.
Bet it is written in C or C+.


Regards

Max



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:38
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Jim,

The point is to demonstrate that a simple call to a function, passing in a
reference to the connection object, CAUSES a memory leak.  When passing
anything other than a simple data type in to a function, VBA passes by
reference, i.e. a pointer to the object.  Passing by reference causes the
pointer to the object to be placed onto the stack being built for the
function call.  When the code inside of the function starts to execute, it
can reference these objects on the stack.  As the function exits, the stack
is supposed to be cleaned up by the interpreter, destroying all pointers to
objects on the stack.

Thus my code should not consume ANY memory long term.  Pass in a pointer to
an ADO recordset instead of the ADO connection object.  There is no memory
leak (as there should not be).

All my code is doing is calling a function over and over.  IF the stack is
cleaned up properly, NO memory is used.  Change the data type to a string, a
long, a variant etc.  You will see NO memory leak.  Pass in a pointer to an
ADO connection and you will see a memory leak.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Hi John:

I would think that it would at the least and at the most consume all
available memory. 

The call to the ' FWInit CurrentProject.Connection ' should either be above
or below the 'While' loop.

A better was to the loop would be 
 
Function TestFWMemLeak()
    Dim BreakLoop as Boolean
	
    BreakLoop = True
	
    While BreakLoop = True
        DoEvents
        BreakLoop = FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function

Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) As Boolean

    ... 'etc....
    
    FWInit = False
	
End Function

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Apr 14 18:31:26 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:31:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFD2E@aries.TexasSystems.local>


John, 

I tried various ways of fixing it. In the FWInit function, closing the
connection and setting it to nothing didn't help. In fact, you can
demonstrate the leak with just: 

    Function TestFWMemLeak_0()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            Set rConn = CurrentProject.Connection
        Wend
    End Function

This code leaked very slowly (growing from 16,900 KB to 17,348 in about
2 hours):

    Function TestFWNoLeak_0()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            Set rConn = New ADODB.Connection
            rConn.Open CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString
            FWInit rConn
            rConn.Close
            Set rConn = Nothing
        Wend
    End Function

But this code doesn't leak much at all: 

    Function TestFWMemLeak_1()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        Set rConn = CurrentProject.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            FWInit rConn
        Wend
    End Function

I let it run over lunch, and the memory usage went from 16,708 KB to
16,776. Another test, for several hours, went from 19436 to 19496.

So, the moral of the story seems to be: set the
CurrentProject.Connection to a ADODB.Connection variable before you pass
it to another subroutine. 

My guess is that CurrentProject.Connection is not a stable, long-term
object, in the sense of the DAO CurrentDB(). ADO connections are meant
to be temporary, and Access probably makes a new one from scratch every
time you refer to it. 
 
Help for "Connection Property" bears this out: 

Notes:  The Connection property actually returns a reference to a COPY
of the ActiveX Data Object (ADO) connection for the active database ...

This prevents you from closing or altering Access' own private
connection, but has the unfortunate side effect of being unable to close
the copy, thus the leak. 

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the
memory usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs
steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though
not this specific issue.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr 14 18:36:17 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:36:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6600d$aa5709b0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <4440BE91.16113.316AA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Apr 2006 at 17:52, John Colby wrote:

> What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full on
> adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to print to
> this.
> 

Installing the full Adobe creates a printer called "Adobe PDF". It's just a 
case of setting the report to print to that specific printer instead of  
the default printer.

By default, Adobe  is set up to request a file name when you create the 
document.  

If you want to automate printing with no user intervention, you need to 
change the option "Prompt for Adobe Filename" in the printer properties 
under "General - Printing Preferences... - Adobe PDF Settings"
In this case the PDF  will be printed into the default directory for the 
printer and will have the same name as the report plus a .PDF extension.  
The Default directory is specified under "Properties - Ports" for the 
printer.

If you want the reports saved to a different directory, you need to set up 
another copy of the printer with a different default directory.

If you want a different name for the file, you need to make a copy of the 
report with an appropriate name, print that copy and then delete it.

Something like:
strReportName = "DailyReport" & Format$(Date(),"yymmdd")
Docmd.CopyObject ,strReportName,acReport,"rptDailyReport"
Docmd.Open strReportName
Docmd.DeleteObject acReport,strReportName

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr 14 18:43:34 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:43:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFD2E@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <4440C046.19325.38122F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Apr 2006 at 18:31, Ken Ismert wrote:

 
> Notes:  The Connection property actually returns a reference to a COPY
> of the ActiveX Data Object (ADO) connection for the active database ...
> 

In other words every call to  FWInit CurrentProject.Connection creates a 
new copy of the connection. 

So it's a feature, not a bug  :-)

Looks like the work around is to specifically make a copy of 
CurrentProject.Connection  and call that with FWInit.




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 14 19:48:05 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:48:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <000001c6600b$a4dc0ff0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXQ003ELNIWG930@l-daemon>

John:

You have definitely demonstrated a memory leak. There appears to be some
unresolved problems with the Access object handler. Is there just another
pointer created when a duplicate object is created, similar to when using
the 'clone' method or is the new object recreated in its entirety? 

All that I am saying it is unlikely that you or I would have caused a
similar error without trying.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Jim,

The point is to demonstrate that a simple call to a function, passing in a
reference to the connection object, CAUSES a memory leak.  When passing
anything other than a simple data type in to a function, VBA passes by
reference, i.e. a pointer to the object.  Passing by reference causes the
pointer to the object to be placed onto the stack being built for the
function call.  When the code inside of the function starts to execute, it
can reference these objects on the stack.  As the function exits, the stack
is supposed to be cleaned up by the interpreter, destroying all pointers to
objects on the stack.

Thus my code should not consume ANY memory long term.  Pass in a pointer to
an ADO recordset instead of the ADO connection object.  There is no memory
leak (as there should not be).

All my code is doing is calling a function over and over.  IF the stack is
cleaned up properly, NO memory is used.  Change the data type to a string, a
long, a variant etc.  You will see NO memory leak.  Pass in a pointer to an
ADO connection and you will see a memory leak.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Hi John:

I would think that it would at the least and at the most consume all
available memory. 

The call to the ' FWInit CurrentProject.Connection ' should either be above
or below the 'While' loop.

A better was to the loop would be 
 
Function TestFWMemLeak()
    Dim BreakLoop as Boolean
	
    BreakLoop = True
	
    While BreakLoop = True
        DoEvents
        BreakLoop = FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function

Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) As Boolean

    ... 'etc....
    
    FWInit = False
	
End Function

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 14 19:50:15 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:50:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000001c6600a$df321a60$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>
Message-ID: <0IXQ000IUNMHOH60@l-daemon>

Doug: 

Oh,

Would it be a security setting? Queries can be set to allow execution but
not reading.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 14 21:04:06 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:04:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFD2E@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <001d01c66030$e177cf60$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>

Fascinating stuff.  Just goes to show how badly VBA's "garbage collector"
sucks.  We are all told that when the last reference to an object closes,
the object is destroyed and the garbage collector will reclaim the memory.
We all also know that cleaning up behind ourselves (by specifically calling
close where one exists, and setting the pointer to nothing) often is a good
idea.  This just demonstrates that even that won't necessarily reclaim the
memory. 

Good info there.  Thanks.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak


John, 

I tried various ways of fixing it. In the FWInit function, closing the
connection and setting it to nothing didn't help. In fact, you can
demonstrate the leak with just: 

    Function TestFWMemLeak_0()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            Set rConn = CurrentProject.Connection
        Wend
    End Function

This code leaked very slowly (growing from 16,900 KB to 17,348 in about
2 hours):

    Function TestFWNoLeak_0()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            Set rConn = New ADODB.Connection
            rConn.Open CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString
            FWInit rConn
            rConn.Close
            Set rConn = Nothing
        Wend
    End Function

But this code doesn't leak much at all: 

    Function TestFWMemLeak_1()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        Set rConn = CurrentProject.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            FWInit rConn
        Wend
    End Function

I let it run over lunch, and the memory usage went from 16,708 KB to 16,776.
Another test, for several hours, went from 19436 to 19496.

So, the moral of the story seems to be: set the CurrentProject.Connection to
a ADODB.Connection variable before you pass it to another subroutine. 

My guess is that CurrentProject.Connection is not a stable, long-term
object, in the sense of the DAO CurrentDB(). ADO connections are meant to be
temporary, and Access probably makes a new one from scratch every time you
refer to it. 
 
Help for "Connection Property" bears this out: 

Notes:  The Connection property actually returns a reference to a COPY of
the ActiveX Data Object (ADO) connection for the active database ...

This prevents you from closing or altering Access' own private connection,
but has the unfortunate side effect of being unable to close the copy, thus
the leak. 

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 15 00:11:37 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:11:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
References: <001001c66010$b038e620$dd6b1152@Max>
Message-ID: <44408089.8060400@shaw.ca>

Try this to save query to a text file
Application.SaveAsText acQuery, "MyQuery", "c:\temp\myquery.txt"
then in a new mdb
Application.LoadFromText acQuery, "Catalog", "c:\temp\myquery.txt"
The text file will be the QBF definition not the actual SQL string
if you want that try
Sub test()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim qdf As QueryDef
Set db = CurrentDb
Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("MyQuery")
Debug.Print qdf.SQL
End Sub

Max Home wrote:

>Doug, that just doesn't make sense.  Either you have something wrong with
>you installation of Access (try importing it as a txt file on another
>machine if possible) or open it with notepad and then save it again having
>made some alteration so that it actually saves a new version.  
>
>If it runs but doesn't open for edits then that is so weird.  
>
>Another thing you could try is to create a new DB and import it and THEN
>create a new form with that as the recordsource and then create a command
>button from the wizard selecting the option to filter by form - there are
>two wizards there, so try them both.  
>
>If no success, then open it in notepad, select all (Ctl-A) and then on the
>new DB create a new query, select nothing,  click on SQL on the  toolbar and
>paste it into that,  before running it, select the option for design and see
>if it opens.
>
>Regards
>
>Max
>
>Ps. Although this has come from my home email address, please reply to my
>work Email address (max.sherman at mga-charity.org) as I will still be picking
>up my email
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: 14 April 2006 22:56
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>Hi Max,
>
>Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I seem
>to remember something about there being a limit on the size of queries, but
>have not found anything specific.
>
>I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user friendly
>manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this way.
>
>Thank you for your thoughts.
>
>Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>
>Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it from a
>text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  That should
>clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and import it into that
>(but link the tables it uses first so that the import function *finds* the
>tables it refers to).  Both these work for me from time to time.
>
>Regards
>
>Max
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
>view.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>
>Hi Doug:
>
>Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
>limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
>breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
>as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
>much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
>function from the query.
>
>This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
>versions of Access and queries.
>
>HTH
>Jim  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>Folks,
>
>I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
>open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
>memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
>have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
>result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
>different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
>file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
>trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
>work on this thing?
>
>Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
>
>Doug
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Apr 15 01:06:19 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:06:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGEEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
References: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGEEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <44408D5B.2020608@san.rr.com>

Bob:

Just got back from a short trip  Did you get this one figured out?

Rocky


Bob Heygood wrote:
> Hello to the list,
>
> Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
> memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
> Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
> A last minute change from the client.
>
> thx
>
> bob
>
>
>
>   

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat Apr 15 16:40:54 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:40:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <44408089.8060400@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c660d5$460b6410$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Hi Marty,

I have already attempted the export and import to/from text file.  I was not
aware of the print to SQL functionality of DAO.  I tried this and it gave me
the SQL of the query which is very cool.  I am putting this in my list of
tools.  I tried copying the SQL from the debug window and pasting into a new
query.  Still get the out of memory message.  I will play with the SQL to
see if I can find what is causing the problem.  

The problem database does some very involved statistical calculations with
many queries and a lot of code.  The problem is that no naming convention
was used and field and object name structure is bazaar.  There are quotes,
spaces, parens, etc in the names.  This may be the source of the problem.
As I go through the project I have been updating naming, but in many cases
where the existing name doesn't contain any unusual characters or spaces I
am leaving as is.  Each change, using Speed Ferret, takes significant time,
so to change the name of several thousand objects is not feasible.

Thanks again.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Try this to save query to a text file
Application.SaveAsText acQuery, "MyQuery", "c:\temp\myquery.txt" then in a
new mdb Application.LoadFromText acQuery, "Catalog", "c:\temp\myquery.txt"
The text file will be the QBF definition not the actual SQL string if you
want that try Sub test() Dim db As DAO.Database Dim qdf As QueryDef Set db =
CurrentDb Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("MyQuery") Debug.Print qdf.SQL End Sub

Max Home wrote:

>Doug, that just doesn't make sense.  Either you have something wrong 
>with you installation of Access (try importing it as a txt file on 
>another machine if possible) or open it with notepad and then save it 
>again having made some alteration so that it actually saves a new version.
>
>If it runs but doesn't open for edits then that is so weird.
>
>Another thing you could try is to create a new DB and import it and 
>THEN create a new form with that as the recordsource and then create a 
>command button from the wizard selecting the option to filter by form - 
>there are two wizards there, so try them both.
>
>If no success, then open it in notepad, select all (Ctl-A) and then on 
>the new DB create a new query, select nothing,  click on SQL on the  
>toolbar and paste it into that,  before running it, select the option 
>for design and see if it opens.
>
>Regards
>
>Max
>
>Ps. Although this has come from my home email address, please reply to 
>my work Email address (max.sherman at mga-charity.org) as I will still be 
>picking up my email
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: 14 April 2006 22:56
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this 
>operation.
>
>Hi Max,
>
>Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I 
>seem to remember something about there being a limit on the size of 
>queries, but have not found anything specific.
>
>I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user 
>friendly manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this 
>way.
>
>Thank you for your thoughts.
>
>Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this 
>operation.
>
>
>Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it 
>from a text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  
>That should clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and 
>import it into that (but link the tables it uses first so that the 
>import function *finds* the tables it refers to).  Both these work for 
>me from time to time.
>
>Regards
>
>Max
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this 
>operation.
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in 
>design view.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this 
>operation.
>
>
>Hi Doug:
>
>Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size 
>limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to 
>breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller 
>query as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was 
>to move as much of the query as possible into a function, in a module 
>and call the function from the query.
>
>This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with 
>older versions of Access and queries.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>Folks,
>
>I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I 
>try to open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There 
>isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs 
>and try again."  I have tried opening the query on two different 
>computers and get the same result.  From where the query is being used 
>I know it uses the values of 14 different controls on a form as 
>criteria.  I exported the query to a text file and it really does not 
>look that complicated, but access is having trouble showing it in the 
>query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can work on this thing?
>
>Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
>
>Doug
>
>  
>

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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sat Apr 15 17:37:45 2006
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:37:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <44408D5B.2020608@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKAELHEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Hey Rocky,
Yes, Susan was kind enough to help me.
Hope you brought some sunshine back with you.

best,

bob



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


Bob:

Just got back from a short trip  Did you get this one figured out?

Rocky


Bob Heygood wrote:
> Hello to the list,
>
> Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
> memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
> Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
> A last minute change from the client.
>
> thx
>
> bob
>
>
>
>   

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr 15 19:51:47 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:51:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000001c660d5$460b6410$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>
References: <44408089.8060400@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <444221C3.20760.14E25F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Apr 2006 at 14:40, Doug Murphy wrote:

> was used and field and object name structure is bazaar.  There are quotes,
> spaces, parens, etc in the names.  This may be the source of the problem. 

I'd immediately suspect the quotes :-(
The other thing to look for is quotes in the data. A single embedded quote 
in an SQL string will screw up the parsing and in my experience often 
returns exactly this error message.

-- 
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 17 07:00:41 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:00:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <4440BE91.16113.316AA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000001c66216$8df42c70$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Stuart,

I need to actually build a file name and have each report save to that
custom directory as it is printed - all automatically.  I was able to do
that with the solution I chose but for some reason the printer driver
started hanging - at the worst possible time, over the weekend with no tech
support when the client REALLY needed to be working.

So in a nutshell, I need to be able to write code to cause the print of the
report to go to a specific directory, determined at the instant the print
happens.



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files

On 14 Apr 2006 at 17:52, John Colby wrote:

> What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full 
> on adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to 
> print to this.
> 

Installing the full Adobe creates a printer called "Adobe PDF". It's just a
case of setting the report to print to that specific printer instead of the
default printer.

By default, Adobe  is set up to request a file name when you create the
document.  

If you want to automate printing with no user intervention, you need to
change the option "Prompt for Adobe Filename" in the printer properties
under "General - Printing Preferences... - Adobe PDF Settings"
In this case the PDF  will be printed into the default directory for the
printer and will have the same name as the report plus a .PDF extension.  
The Default directory is specified under "Properties - Ports" for the
printer.

If you want the reports saved to a different directory, you need to set up
another copy of the printer with a different default directory.

If you want a different name for the file, you need to make a copy of the
report with an appropriate name, print that copy and then delete it.

Something like:
strReportName = "DailyReport" & Format$(Date(),"yymmdd") Docmd.CopyObject
,strReportName,acReport,"rptDailyReport"
Docmd.Open strReportName
Docmd.DeleteObject acReport,strReportName

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 17 08:21:59 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:21:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <000001c66216$8df42c70$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <4440BE91.16113.316AA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <44442317.28724.78AC8A3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Apr 2006 at 8:00, John Colby wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> I need to actually build a file name and have each report save to that
> custom directory as it is printed - all automatically.  I was able to do
> that with the solution I chose but for some reason the printer driver
> started hanging - at the worst possible time, over the weekend with no tech
> support when the client REALLY needed to be working.
> 
> So in a nutshell, I need to be able to write code to cause the print of the
> report to go to a specific directory, determined at the instant the print
> happens.
> 

When I have that sort of requirement, I don't use Adobe. I use Ghostscript 
and my own MakePDF front end (take a look at it at 
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg)


-- 
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 17 09:24:49 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:49 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
Message-ID: <BAY114-F26F500131C68EA5B66D61FD2C70@phx.gbl>

Doug,

Not sure if this is relevant...but last year...I had a similar issue where 
my forms and queries would run fine...but would occasionally give me the 
'memory' error when trying to modify.  I didn't spend much time on the 
problem...because it was my A97 dbs that were only having the issue after I 
loaded A2k on the same machine.  I had both versions on a box with W2K 
Server...and it worked fine.  When I put both versions on WXP...I started 
having the 'Not Enough Memory' when I tried to do things in A97...I just 
quit using 97 on that machine...so I don't really have a solution or 
suggestion...just thought I'd mention it ion case it gives someone an idea.

Good Luck,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:40:54 -0700
>
>Hi Marty,
>
>I have already attempted the export and import to/from text file.  I was 
>not
>aware of the print to SQL functionality of DAO.  I tried this and it gave 
>me
>the SQL of the query which is very cool.  I am putting this in my list of
>tools.  I tried copying the SQL from the debug window and pasting into a 
>new
>query.  Still get the out of memory message.  I will play with the SQL to
>see if I can find what is causing the problem.
>
>The problem database does some very involved statistical calculations with
>many queries and a lot of code.  The problem is that no naming convention
>was used and field and object name structure is bazaar.  There are quotes,
>spaces, parens, etc in the names.  This may be the source of the problem.
>As I go through the project I have been updating naming, but in many cases
>where the existing name doesn't contain any unusual characters or spaces I
>am leaving as is.  Each change, using Speed Ferret, takes significant time,
>so to change the name of several thousand objects is not feasible.
>
>Thanks again.
>
>Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:12 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>
>Try this to save query to a text file
>Application.SaveAsText acQuery, "MyQuery", "c:\temp\myquery.txt" then in a
>new mdb Application.LoadFromText acQuery, "Catalog", "c:\temp\myquery.txt"
>The text file will be the QBF definition not the actual SQL string if you
>want that try Sub test() Dim db As DAO.Database Dim qdf As QueryDef Set db 
>=
>CurrentDb Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("MyQuery") Debug.Print qdf.SQL End Sub
>
>Max Home wrote:
>
> >Doug, that just doesn't make sense.  Either you have something wrong
> >with you installation of Access (try importing it as a txt file on
> >another machine if possible) or open it with notepad and then save it
> >again having made some alteration so that it actually saves a new 
>version.
> >
> >If it runs but doesn't open for edits then that is so weird.
> >
> >Another thing you could try is to create a new DB and import it and
> >THEN create a new form with that as the recordsource and then create a
> >command button from the wizard selecting the option to filter by form -
> >there are two wizards there, so try them both.
> >
> >If no success, then open it in notepad, select all (Ctl-A) and then on
> >the new DB create a new query, select nothing,  click on SQL on the
> >toolbar and paste it into that,  before running it, select the option
> >for design and see if it opens.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Max
> >
> >Ps. Although this has come from my home email address, please reply to
> >my work Email address (max.sherman at mga-charity.org) as I will still be
> >picking up my email
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
> >Sent: 14 April 2006 22:56
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this
> >operation.
> >
> >Hi Max,
> >
> >Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I
> >seem to remember something about there being a limit on the size of
> >queries, but have not found anything specific.
> >
> >I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user
> >friendly manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this
> >way.
> >
> >Thank you for your thoughts.
> >
> >Doug
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
> >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this
> >operation.
> >
> >
> >Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it
> >from a text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).
> >That should clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and
> >import it into that (but link the tables it uses first so that the
> >import function *finds* the tables it refers to).  Both these work for
> >me from time to time.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Max
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
> >Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this
> >operation.
> >
> >Hi Jim,
> >
> >I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in
> >design view.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this
> >operation.
> >
> >
> >Hi Doug:
> >
> >Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
> >limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
> >breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller
> >query as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was
> >to move as much of the query as possible into a function, in a module
> >and call the function from the query.
> >
> >This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with
> >older versions of Access and queries.
> >
> >HTH
> >Jim
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
> >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I
> >try to open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There
> >isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs
> >and try again."  I have tried opening the query on two different
> >computers and get the same result.  From where the query is being used
> >I know it uses the values of 14 different controls on a form as
> >criteria.  I exported the query to a text file and it really does not
> >look that complicated, but access is having trouble showing it in the
> >query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can work on this thing?
> >
> >Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
> >
> >
> >Doug
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
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>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 17 11:44:31 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:44:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB96@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

On the crtique form for the advisor media conference in Vegas they asked
what other authors  would you like to see and I put in a plug for you. Who
knows, maybe something will come of it.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkinsss at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


Thanks! I appreciate that! Fortunately, a number of you have great ideas
that need sharing! You may have noticed that a number of those articles have
accessd co-authors. :) 

Susan H. 

Thanks again.
BTW, I enjoy your articles in the Advisor.

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From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 17 12:03:31 2006
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
Message-ID: <20060417170331.38101.qmail@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database, I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
   
  Thanks,
  Jeremy


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 17 12:13:43 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:13:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <32394137.1145293656707.JavaMail.root@sniper13>
Message-ID: <000001c66242$483da180$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Jeremy,

Try typing in Stop in the line above where you put a breakpoint in the code.
Then you can watch to see what is happening.

Dan 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------

I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm
working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to
get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
   
  Thanks,
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Mon Apr 17 12:16:01 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:16:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D21FF@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Sounds like some corrupted code in there. Try...

Just recompile everything.

No good? Try decompiling the application :
http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0008.htm
Still no good? Try creating a new, empty database and import everything in
the old database into the new one (everything that is except the MSYS*
tables).

HTH

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:04 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode


I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm
working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to
get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
   
  Thanks,
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Mon Apr 17 12:35:26 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:35:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C6C5@dewey.Symphony.local>

Try setting your breakpoint earlier in the process.  Any time I've seen
this happen, it's because the line in question isn't executing at all.

Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:16 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode

I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a
database, I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the
breakpoint.  I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.
Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the
code executes?
   
  Thanks,
  Jeremy
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 17 12:58:00 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:58:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB96@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c66248$9bad21a0$9fb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Oh my! I do appreciate that. :) They have asked me before, but I don't do
that -- I'd throw up. :) But I really appreciate the kind words -- anytime a
reader lets one of publishers know that they like an article, it helps me. 

Susan H. 

On the crtique form for the advisor media conference in Vegas they asked
what other authors  would you like to see and I put in a plug for you. Who
knows, maybe something will come of it.
Jim Hale



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 17 13:42:33 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:42:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB98@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I suspect you would do very well at these things, the audiences are very
forgiving. After all, these aren't investors or lawyers :-).Of course guys
like Luke Chung and Ken Getz were very polished since they have been doing
this for so long but even the less polished speakers held everyone's
attention as long as there was some real meat in their presentations.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkinsss at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


Oh my! I do appreciate that. :) They have asked me before, but I don't do
that -- I'd throw up. :) But I really appreciate the kind words -- anytime a
reader lets one of publishers know that they like an article, it helps me. 

Susan H. 

On the crtique form for the advisor media conference in Vegas they asked
what other authors  would you like to see and I put in a plug for you. Who
knows, maybe something will come of it.
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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Mon Apr 17 14:13:40 2006
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:13:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <20060417170331.38101.qmail@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c66253$09599030$0400a8c0@PC1>

Hi Jeremy,

Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile and
then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your breakpoint
or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you could check this
by putting the breakpoint at the start of code execution, if that does work)


Regards,
Eric Starkenburg


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode

I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm
working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to
get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
   
  Thanks,
  Jeremy
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Mon Apr 17 14:41:55 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFF26@aries.TexasSystems.local>


John,

>> ... Just goes to show how badly VBA's "garbage collector" sucks ... 

My working theory lays more of the blame on Access, and maybe ADO:

Theory 1: John's Original Observation
-------------------------------------
CurrentProject.Connection has a "don't try suicide" feature: All
CurrentProject.Connection.Close and Set CurrentProject.Connection =
Nothing requests are ignored. My guess is that CurrentProject.Connection
inherits from ADODB.Connection, but overrides the Close method with
nothing, making the project connection uncloseable. 
  The rub comes when a programmer requests a copy of
CurrentProject.Connection in code: my guess is Access returns the
overridden CurrentProject.Connection type, not the ADODB.Connection
parent type. That makes any copy of CurrentProject.Connection
uncloseable, thus the leak John observed. This is just a bonehead
implementation mistake on MS's part. 
  Question: what version of Access are you testing this in, John? If you
like, I'll try this on A2003 to see if this got fixed.

Theory 2: My Slow Leak, 'Proper ADO' Code
-----------------------------------------
My intended fix to the problem above was to not use
CurrentProject.Connection, but derive my connection using
CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString and a fully closable
ADODB.Connection object. Now, you would really expect this to work with
no leaks, but there is a slow leak here, too. 
  This is more worrisome, because it is closer to the 'pure' ADO code
you would write in VB6. The best case is that
CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString duplicates itself on every
reference, and doesn't garbage collect. The worst case is that there is
some subtle problem in the VBA/ADO/Provider chain itself. 
  I will test this on A2003, and see if I get the same behavior. 

In any case, this is one small illustration of why Shamil is so cautious
about thoroughly testing the ADO Disconnected Recordset/Access 2003 idea
before recommending it as a stable development technique. There must be
a running bet within MS on whether the Access team can make it work
properly with ADO before it becomes completely obsolete ;)

John's best practice recommendations are still best practice, but keep
an eye on that memory! 

If you or anyone else has any observations or corrections, please jump
in. 

-Ken


From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 17 17:15:19 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:15:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB98@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c6626c$6a43dc20$d5b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Thank you again, but I can guarantee you that I would throw up. I've only
done one conference and I promise you -- I will never do one again. Yes, I
did Okay -- got good responses on the evaluations, but it wasn't worth it.
:) 

I don't mind training in small classes and that's quite lucrative when I can
find it. :) 

Susan H. 

I suspect you would do very well at these things, the audiences are very
forgiving. After all, these aren't investors or lawyers :-).Of course guys
like Luke Chung and Ken Getz were very polished since they have been doing
this for so long but even the less polished speakers held everyone's
attention as long as there was some real meat in their presentations.



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Apr 17 18:07:04 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:07:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <000f01c66253$09599030$0400a8c0@PC1>
References: <000f01c66253$09599030$0400a8c0@PC1>
Message-ID: <44441F98.1010000@san.rr.com>

Jeremy:

Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point.  If you don't get the 
message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.

Rocky


StaRKeY wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile and
> then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your breakpoint
> or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you could check this
> by putting the breakpoint at the start of code execution, if that does work)
>
>
> Regards,
> Eric Starkenburg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
> I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
> I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm
> working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to
> get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
>    
>   Thanks,
>   Jeremy
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Apr 17 18:27:36 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:27:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362553E@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <007d01c66276$83991af0$6601a8c0@office>

I'm nowhere near the distribution stage yet! (:))

But I have studied that area a bit and it does sound a lot easier than 
creating an Access executable....

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Long, Karen S." <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
List


> You can create an executable - no more sagekey or that second rate
> Access Deployment Package Wizard.
>
>
> Karen S. Long
> Programmer Analyst
> EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
> Pittsburgh, PA
> Phone: 412-386-6649
> Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
> List
>
> Hi Karen - what is one click?
>
> Kath
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Long, Karen S." <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
> List
>
>
>>I am looking for one, too. VS 2005 is the most exciting product I have
>
>>worked with since Access came out.  It is incredible.  There does not
>>seem to be much in the way of documentation yet.  Seems when I google
>>something, I get messages that the documentation is *coming soon*.  Did
>
>>you run into *one click* yet?  Every feature is a treat - I actually
>>spent 20 straight hours last weekend tied to my PC and this product.
>>
>>
>> Karen S. Long
>> Programmer Analyst
>> EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> Phone: 412-386-6649
>> Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> Pelletti
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 PM
>> To: Access D SQl Server List; Access D Normal List
>> Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
>> List
>>
>> (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>>
>> I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have
>> found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute
>> god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through
>> this learning curve....
>>
>> But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual
>> Basic
>> 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad -
>> very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a
>> book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any
> recommendations?
>>
>> (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that
>> that it is more of a reference book.)
>>
>> (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is
>> there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>>
>> ______________________________________
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From tom.p at piedpiper.com.au  Mon Apr 17 18:57:58 2006
From: tom.p at piedpiper.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:57:58 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
References: <000001c66216$8df42c70$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001b01c6627a$c0ffa770$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>

John...
Whether it is any help or not.....

I have the same situation in that I have to produce invoices as a normal 
report (to a printer) and also produce a PDF copy which is then saved to a 
directory of my choosing on the fly

I have built this facility into code by.....

Having a table with a default printer field.

Changing the default printer to my PDF utility (after saving my default 
printer in my field).

I use Jaws Systems PDF writer although there are a LOT of these type of 
programs .
Although I dont need it I believe the JAWS PDF utility will allow you via 
code to specify a directory as part of the command just as it allows you to 
name the file ....

I then print the report to PDF which will be saved in the default directory 
I have set up for it.
The file name is actually the caption property of the report.
Then change back to the previous default printer and print the report to the 
printer

As far as the users are concerned it is pretty transparent ...all they see 
is the print dialog come up for a sec while it is writing to the PDF file 
and then theys see the next dialog come up for the printer report...

I use a printer class from ATTAC Consulting   (On the fly printing? I think) 
to handle all printing requirements although that was because I lacked the 
abilities to use printer API's properly myself (which you probably dont)

I can send you code snippets if you need them

REgards

Tom Keatley




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files


> Stuart,
>
> I need to actually build a file name and have each report save to that
> custom directory as it is printed - all automatically.  I was able to do
> that with the solution I chose but for some reason the printer driver
> started hanging - at the worst possible time, over the weekend with no 
> tech
> support when the client REALLY needed to be working.
>
> So in a nutshell, I need to be able to write code to cause the print of 
> the
> report to go to a specific directory, determined at the instant the print
> happens.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
>
> On 14 Apr 2006 at 17:52, John Colby wrote:
>
>> What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full
>> on adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to
>> print to this.
>>
>
> Installing the full Adobe creates a printer called "Adobe PDF". It's just 
> a
> case of setting the report to print to that specific printer instead of 
> the
> default printer.
>
> By default, Adobe  is set up to request a file name when you create the
> document.
>
> If you want to automate printing with no user intervention, you need to
> change the option "Prompt for Adobe Filename" in the printer properties
> under "General - Printing Preferences... - Adobe PDF Settings"
> In this case the PDF  will be printed into the default directory for the
> printer and will have the same name as the report plus a .PDF extension.
> The Default directory is specified under "Properties - Ports" for the
> printer.
>
> If you want the reports saved to a different directory, you need to set up
> another copy of the printer with a different default directory.
>
> If you want a different name for the file, you need to make a copy of the
> report with an appropriate name, print that copy and then delete it.
>
> Something like:
> strReportName = "DailyReport" & Format$(Date(),"yymmdd") Docmd.CopyObject
> ,strReportName,acReport,"rptDailyReport"
> Docmd.Open strReportName
> Docmd.DeleteObject acReport,strReportName
>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Mon Apr 17 19:14:31 2006
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:14:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFF26@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <00d801c6627d$119f3b80$6401a8c0@default>

> My working theory lays more of the blame on Access, and maybe ADO:

The strange thing is that this leak has been specifically identified as
a problem with COM based calls by PHP devs in the newsgroups.

Products such as IIS, Excel, SQL Server, MySQL, Delphi, Oracle,
MFC/VC++, VFP, VB6 using ADO all experience this leak.

Reminds me of something Shamil said a few years ago:
" DotNet isn't done til VB6 won't run."

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint Developer
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ismert" <KIsmert at TexasSystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak





From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 17 20:11:57 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:11:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFF26@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <000c01c66285$179a7a10$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>  Question: what version of Access are you testing this in, John? If you
like, I'll try this on A2003 to see if this got fixed.

2K, Xp and 2003.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak


John,

>> ... Just goes to show how badly VBA's "garbage collector" sucks ... 

My working theory lays more of the blame on Access, and maybe ADO:

Theory 1: John's Original Observation
-------------------------------------
CurrentProject.Connection has a "don't try suicide" feature: All
CurrentProject.Connection.Close and Set CurrentProject.Connection = Nothing
requests are ignored. My guess is that CurrentProject.Connection inherits
from ADODB.Connection, but overrides the Close method with nothing, making
the project connection uncloseable. 
  The rub comes when a programmer requests a copy of
CurrentProject.Connection in code: my guess is Access returns the overridden
CurrentProject.Connection type, not the ADODB.Connection parent type. That
makes any copy of CurrentProject.Connection uncloseable, thus the leak John
observed. This is just a bonehead implementation mistake on MS's part. 
  Question: what version of Access are you testing this in, John? If you
like, I'll try this on A2003 to see if this got fixed.

Theory 2: My Slow Leak, 'Proper ADO' Code
-----------------------------------------
My intended fix to the problem above was to not use
CurrentProject.Connection, but derive my connection using
CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString and a fully closable ADODB.Connection
object. Now, you would really expect this to work with no leaks, but there
is a slow leak here, too. 
  This is more worrisome, because it is closer to the 'pure' ADO code you
would write in VB6. The best case is that
CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString duplicates itself on every reference,
and doesn't garbage collect. The worst case is that there is some subtle
problem in the VBA/ADO/Provider chain itself. 
  I will test this on A2003, and see if I get the same behavior. 

In any case, this is one small illustration of why Shamil is so cautious
about thoroughly testing the ADO Disconnected Recordset/Access 2003 idea
before recommending it as a stable development technique. There must be a
running bet within MS on whether the Access team can make it work properly
with ADO before it becomes completely obsolete ;)

John's best practice recommendations are still best practice, but keep an
eye on that memory! 

If you or anyone else has any observations or corrections, please jump in. 

-Ken
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From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 17 21:09:42 2006
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <44441F98.1010000@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060418020942.48322.qmail@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks all for your comments.  I had a message box in the code, and it was popping up without ever breaking.  I'm going to try the decompile and compile.
  
Thanks,
Jeremy

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
  Jeremy:

Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.

Rocky


StaRKeY wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile and
> then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your breakpoint
> or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you could check this
> by putting the breakpoint at the start of code execution, if that does work)
>
>
> Regards,
> Eric Starkenburg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
> I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint. I'm
> working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. Any ideas on how to
> get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
> 

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 18 06:17:22 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:17:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <001b01c6627a$c0ffa770$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>
Message-ID: <E1FVoCy-0005ZB-00@pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Tom,

  I pretty much do the same (use on the fly printing for printer control),
but I use Ghost Script for the PDF.  Procedure is below.

Jim.

Function RunReportAsPDF(strReportName As String) As String

        ' Prints a report to disk
        ' and then converts to a PDF file with Ghost Script.
        ' Returns name of file if sucessfull
        ' empty string ("") if not.
        Const RoutineName = "RunReportAsPDF"
        Const Version = "1.0"
        
        Dim strPDFPrinter As String
        Dim strPDFProgPath As String
        Dim strPDFFileName As String
        Dim strPRNFile As String
        Dim lngHWnd As Long

10      On Error GoTo RunReportAsPDF_Error

20      RunReportAsPDF = ""

30      strPDFPrinter = GetAppConfigValue(AppShortName(), "PDFPrinter", ".",
".")
40      strPDFProgPath = GetAppConfigValue(AppShortName(), "PDFProgPath",
".", ".")
50      strPRNFile = GetAppConfigValue(AppShortName(), "PDFPrnFile ", ".",
".")

        ' Kill the printer output file if it already exists.
60      If (Dir(strPRNFile) & "" <> "") Then
70        On Error Resume Next
80        Kill strPRNFile
90        On Error GoTo RunReportAsPDF_Error
100     End If

        ' Now run the report
110     If SetDefaultPrinter(strPDFPrinter) = True Then
120       DoCmd.OpenReport strReportName, acViewNormal

          ' Wait until the report completes
130       Do While Dir(strPRNFile) & "" = ""
140         DoEvents
150       Loop

160       Call ResetDefaultPrinter(0)

          'Generate file name to use for PDF output
170       strPDFFileName = GetTempFileName_TSB(AppShortName())
180       strPDFFileName = Replace(strPDFFileName, ".tmp", ".pdf")
        
          ' Change printer driver output into a PDF
          ' Script the batch file
190       Open strPDFProgPath & "MKPDF.bat" For Output As #1
200       Print #1, "" & left(strPDFProgPath, 2)
210       Print #1, "" & "CD " & Chr(34) & Mid(strPDFProgPath, 3) & Chr(34)
220       Print #1, "" & Chr(34) & strPDFProgPath & "MAKEPDF" & Chr(34) & "
" & strPRNFile & " /D /V1.4 /O" & strPDFFileName
230       Close #1
        
          ' Execute batch file
240       strPDFProgPath = Chr(34) & strPDFProgPath & "MKPDF.bat" & Chr(34)
250       lngHWnd = Shell(strPDFProgPath, vbMinimizedNoFocus)
        
          ' and wait till done.
260       WaitWhileRunning (lngHWnd)
        
270       RunReportAsPDF = strPDFFileName
        
280     Else
290       gstrMBTitle = "Printer not installed."
300       gstrMBMsg = "The printer " & strPDFPrinter & " is not installed."
310       gstrMBMsg = gstrMBMsg & vbCrLf & "Please correct."
320       gintMBDef = vbCritical + vbOKOnly
330       gintMBBeep = True
340       gintMBLog = True
350       Call DisplayMsgBox
360       RunReportAsPDF = ""
370     End If

RunReportAsPDF_Exit:

380     Exit Function

RunReportAsPDF_Error:
390     UnexpectedError ModuleName, RoutineName, Version, Err.Number,
Err.Description, Err.Source, VBA.Erl
400     RunReportAsPDF = ""
410     Resume RunReportAsPDF_Exit

End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files

John...
Whether it is any help or not.....

I have the same situation in that I have to produce invoices as a normal 
report (to a printer) and also produce a PDF copy which is then saved to a 
directory of my choosing on the fly

I have built this facility into code by.....

Having a table with a default printer field.

Changing the default printer to my PDF utility (after saving my default 
printer in my field).

I use Jaws Systems PDF writer although there are a LOT of these type of 
programs .
Although I dont need it I believe the JAWS PDF utility will allow you via 
code to specify a directory as part of the command just as it allows you to 
name the file ....

I then print the report to PDF which will be saved in the default directory 
I have set up for it.
The file name is actually the caption property of the report.
Then change back to the previous default printer and print the report to the

printer

As far as the users are concerned it is pretty transparent ...all they see 
is the print dialog come up for a sec while it is writing to the PDF file 
and then theys see the next dialog come up for the printer report...

I use a printer class from ATTAC Consulting   (On the fly printing? I think)

to handle all printing requirements although that was because I lacked the 
abilities to use printer API's properly myself (which you probably dont)

I can send you code snippets if you need them

REgards

Tom Keatley




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files


> Stuart,
>
> I need to actually build a file name and have each report save to that
> custom directory as it is printed - all automatically.  I was able to do
> that with the solution I chose but for some reason the printer driver
> started hanging - at the worst possible time, over the weekend with no 
> tech
> support when the client REALLY needed to be working.
>
> So in a nutshell, I need to be able to write code to cause the print of 
> the
> report to go to a specific directory, determined at the instant the print
> happens.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
>
> On 14 Apr 2006 at 17:52, John Colby wrote:
>
>> What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full
>> on adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to
>> print to this.
>>
>
> Installing the full Adobe creates a printer called "Adobe PDF". It's just 
> a
> case of setting the report to print to that specific printer instead of 
> the
> default printer.
>
> By default, Adobe  is set up to request a file name when you create the
> document.
>
> If you want to automate printing with no user intervention, you need to
> change the option "Prompt for Adobe Filename" in the printer properties
> under "General - Printing Preferences... - Adobe PDF Settings"
> In this case the PDF  will be printed into the default directory for the
> printer and will have the same name as the report plus a .PDF extension.
> The Default directory is specified under "Properties - Ports" for the
> printer.
>
> If you want the reports saved to a different directory, you need to set up
> another copy of the printer with a different default directory.
>
> If you want a different name for the file, you need to make a copy of the
> report with an appropriate name, print that copy and then delete it.
>
> Something like:
> strReportName = "DailyReport" & Format$(Date(),"yymmdd") Docmd.CopyObject
> ,strReportName,acReport,"rptDailyReport"
> Docmd.Open strReportName
> Docmd.DeleteObject acReport,strReportName
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Tue Apr 18 12:11:49 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:11:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E0190@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Micheal, 

> The strange thing is that this leak has been specifically 
> identified as a problem with COM based calls by PHP devs 
> in the newsgroups. 

Could you post some links to these discussion threads? I'd like to see
the code samples they are using. 

Thanks, 

-Ken


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 18 12:29:27 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:29:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <13355566.1145326387849.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c6630d$a5acfca0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Jeremy,

Your issue is, I believe, unusual.  Could you post your solution when you
get there?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode


Thanks all for your comments.  I had a message box in the code, and it was
popping up without ever breaking.  I'm going to try the decompile and
compile.
  
Thanks,
Jeremy

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
  Jeremy:

Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.

Rocky


StaRKeY wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile 
> and then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your 
> breakpoint or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you 
> could check this by putting the breakpoint at the start of code 
> execution, if that does work)
>
>
> Regards,
> Eric Starkenburg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
> Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a 
> database, I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the 
> breakpoint. I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. 
> Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the 
> code executes?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
> 

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Apr 18 12:32:11 2006
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E0190@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <01e001c6630e$08b046e0$6401a8c0@default>

The search on Google is
"ADODB.Connection" "Memory+Leak" +PHP

Sample message:
COM-Support on Apache 1.3.27 with PHP 4.2.2 (as Apache dso) seems to have a
memory leak. Every time I run the following code, memory usage of Apache
is increased by about 86 kB:


$cid = new COM('ADODB.Connection');
$cid->Open ("File Name=udlfile.udl");
$rid = $cid->Execute ("SELECT * FROM test");


$rid->Close();
$rid->Release();
$rid = NULL;
unset ($rid);


$cid->Close();
$cid->Release();
$cid = NULL;
unset ($cid);



Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint Developer
www.mattysconsulting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ismert" <KIsmert at TexasSystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak


>
> Micheal,
>
>> The strange thing is that this leak has been specifically
>> identified as a problem with COM based calls by PHP devs
>> in the newsgroups.
>
> Could you post some links to these discussion threads? I'd like to see
> the code samples they are using.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Ken
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Apr 18 12:43:40 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:43:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <000001c6630d$a5acfca0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000001c6630d$a5acfca0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4445254C.9030604@san.rr.com>

Jeremy:

Is your app small enough to zip and email?  I'd be happy to run it here 
to see if I get the same result.  Contact me off line if you want to do 
this. 

Regards,

Rocky


Dan Waters wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> Your issue is, I believe, unusual.  Could you post your solution when you
> get there?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan 
>  
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
>
> Thanks all for your comments.  I had a message box in the code, and it was
> popping up without ever breaking.  I'm going to try the decompile and
> compile.
>   
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>   Jeremy:
>
> Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
> MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
> message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> StaRKeY wrote:
>   
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile 
>> and then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your 
>> breakpoint or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you 
>> could check this by putting the breakpoint at the start of code 
>> execution, if that does work)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Starkenburg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
>> Toves
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>>
>> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a 
>> database, I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the 
>> breakpoint. I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. 
>> Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the 
>> code executes?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremy
>>
>>     
>
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 18 14:21:53 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:21:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E0190@aries.TexasSystems.local>
	<01e001c6630e$08b046e0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <44453C51.9020401@shaw.ca>

Leaks may depend on the version of MDAC being run. There were some in 
2.5 and 2.6
the MDAC 2.8 SP1 release installs the same Data Access components as 
Microsoft Windows XP SP2.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=78cac895-efc2-4f8e-a9e0-3a1afbd5922e&DisplayLang=en

To see version look at registry keys this one is 2.8 SP1
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\DataAccess
Keys

FullInstallVer
Version 2.81.1117.0


Michael R Mattys wrote:

>The search on Google is
>"ADODB.Connection" "Memory+Leak" +PHP
>
>Sample message:
>COM-Support on Apache 1.3.27 with PHP 4.2.2 (as Apache dso) seems to have a
>memory leak. Every time I run the following code, memory usage of Apache
>is increased by about 86 kB:
>
>
>$cid = new COM('ADODB.Connection');
>$cid->Open ("File Name=udlfile.udl");
>$rid = $cid->Execute ("SELECT * FROM test");
>
>
>$rid->Close();
>$rid->Release();
>$rid = NULL;
>unset ($rid);
>
>
>$cid->Close();
>$cid->Release();
>$cid = NULL;
>unset ($cid);
>
>
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>MapPoint Developer
>www.mattysconsulting.com
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Ken Ismert" <KIsmert at TexasSystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak
>
>
>  
>
>>Micheal,
>>
>>    
>>
>>>The strange thing is that this leak has been specifically
>>>identified as a problem with COM based calls by PHP devs
>>>in the newsgroups.
>>>      
>>>
>>Could you post some links to these discussion threads? I'd like to see
>>the code samples they are using.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>-Ken
>>-- 
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Apr 18 16:22:20 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:22:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
Message-ID: <4445588C.7030400@san.rr.com>

Dear List:

I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year 
of expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.  
For the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd 
is always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the 
program is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled 
"dd/mm/yy".  Is there an easy way to find out which format to use or 
another way to get around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?

MTIA

Rocky

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 18 16:31:36 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:31:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
In-Reply-To: <4445588C.7030400@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4445E758.31367.E715D25@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Apr 2006 at 14:22, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year of
> expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.  For
> the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd is
> always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the program
> is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled "dd/mm/yy".  Is
> there an easy way to find out which format to use or another way to get
> around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?
> 

Use DateSerial() to build the date. It is always (y,m,d) regardless of 
regional settings.




-- 
Stuart




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Apr 18 16:29:10 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:29:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDAC9@main2.marlow.com>

Use DateSerial to assemble the date.  the placement of it's arguments do not
change with date formats.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again


Dear List:

I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year 
of expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.  
For the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd 
is always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the 
program is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled 
"dd/mm/yy".  Is there an easy way to find out which format to use or 
another way to get around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?

MTIA

Rocky

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Apr 18 17:06:25 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:06:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDAC9@main2.marlow.com>
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDAC9@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <444562E1.1060402@san.rr.com>

Drew and Stuart:

AHA!  DateSerial.  Is there no end of stuff to learn that Access can do?

Thank you and thank you.

Rocky


DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:
> Use DateSerial to assemble the date.  the placement of it's arguments do not
> change with date formats.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year 
> of expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.  
> For the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd 
> is always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the 
> program is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled 
> "dd/mm/yy".  Is there an easy way to find out which format to use or 
> another way to get around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 18 17:53:40 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:53:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
In-Reply-To: <444562E1.1060402@san.rr.com>
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDAC9@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <4445FA94.26344.2F5DFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>



On 18 Apr 2006 at 15:06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:

> Drew and Stuart:
> 
> AHA!  DateSerial.  Is there no end of stuff to learn that Access can
> do?
> 

I've been working with it constantly since early 1993 and I'm still learning new things :-)






From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 18 18:06:23 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:06:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <001b01c6627a$c0ffa770$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>
Message-ID: <4445FD8F.20549.3B032D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Jim, care to share the functions
SetDefaultPrinter() and ResetDefaultPrinter()?


> 110     If SetDefaultPrinter(strPDFPrinter) = True Then
...
> 160       Call ResetDefaultPrinter(0)




From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 18 18:22:13 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:22:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bound form - vb.net
Message-ID: <000801c6633e$ede11070$6601a8c0@office>

(Cross posted to AccessD and AccessVB)

I can see that there are a few ways of working with data in vb.net on a form. (My data in in Sql Server 2005 db)

But can someone tell me how they would *normally* bind data to a form and display:

- A single record, or

- Multiple records, like in an Access continuous form.


TIA

Kath Pelletti


From darrend at nimble.com.au  Tue Apr 18 20:09:27 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:09:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
Message-ID: <20060419010934.DAOA25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes for
a whole column
firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its results to a cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren


From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 18 22:33:35 2006
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:33:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <4445254C.9030604@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060419033335.38940.qmail@web81512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is an inherited database I ran remotely on a desktop.  The debug issue was isolated to that computer.  I downloaded it to my computer and debug mode worked.  After getting that figured out, I noticed quite a few other issues on my copy that compiling would have found.  I'm not sure if a new install of Access is warranted on the host computer.  
  
Thanks,
  Jeremy
   
   
  

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
  Jeremy:

Is your app small enough to zip and email? I'd be happy to run it here 
to see if I get the same result. Contact me off line if you want to do 
this. 

Regards,

Rocky


Dan Waters wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> Your issue is, I believe, unusual. Could you post your solution when you
> get there?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan 
> 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
>
> Thanks all for your comments. I had a message box in the code, and it was
> popping up without ever breaking. I'm going to try the decompile and
> compile.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> Jeremy:
>
> Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
> MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
> message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> StaRKeY wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile 
>> and then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your 
>> breakpoint or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you 
>> could check this by putting the breakpoint at the start of code 
>> execution, if that does work)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Starkenburg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
>> Toves
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>>
>> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a 
>> database, I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the 
>> breakpoint. I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. 
>> Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the 
>> code executes?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremy
>>
>> 
>
> 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Apr 19 00:20:59 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:20:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <20060419033335.38940.qmail@web81512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060419033335.38940.qmail@web81512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4445C8BB.1040707@san.rr.com>

Possible DLL conflict?  References the same?  All service packs and 
updates implemented on the box where it fails?  I love these kinds of 
mysteries . When my job isn't on the line. :-P

Rocky


Jeremy Toves wrote:
> This is an inherited database I ran remotely on a desktop.  The debug issue was isolated to that computer.  I downloaded it to my computer and debug mode worked.  After getting that figured out, I noticed quite a few other issues on my copy that compiling would have found.  I'm not sure if a new install of Access is warranted on the host computer.  
>   
> Thanks,
>   Jeremy
>    
>    
>   
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>   Jeremy:
>
> Is your app small enough to zip and email? I'd be happy to run it here 
> to see if I get the same result. Contact me off line if you want to do 
> this. 
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Dan Waters wrote:
>   
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> Your issue is, I believe, unusual. Could you post your solution when you
>> get there?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan 
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>>
>>
>> Thanks all for your comments. I had a message box in the code, and it was
>> popping up without ever breaking. I'm going to try the decompile and
>> compile.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremy
>>
>> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>> Jeremy:
>>
>> Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
>> MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
>> message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> StaRKeY wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>
>>> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile 
>>> and then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your 
>>> breakpoint or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you 
>>> could check this by putting the breakpoint at the start of code 
>>> execution, if that does work)
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric Starkenburg
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
>>> Toves
>>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
>>> To: AccessD
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>>>
>>> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a 
>>> database, I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the 
>>> breakpoint. I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. 
>>> Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the 
>>> code executes?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>     
>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 19 05:07:25 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:07:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: AJAX (on-line) spell check
Message-ID: <s4462817.013@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Check out this nice spell checker which uses AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript And XML which means no reposting of the page), Google Spell and Aspell:

  http://orangoo.com/spell/

Notice the link to the free code and further info.

/gustav



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 19 06:27:56 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:27:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <4445FD8F.20549.3B032D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E1FWAqk-0005ze-00@pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Stuart,

 <<Jim, care to share the functions>>

  Can't.  It's ATTAC Consulting's On The Fly Printing.  Otherwise I would.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files

Jim, care to share the functions
SetDefaultPrinter() and ResetDefaultPrinter()?


> 110     If SetDefaultPrinter(strPDFPrinter) = True Then
...
> 160       Call ResetDefaultPrinter(0)


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Wed Apr 19 06:48:57 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:48:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox toolbars, bookmarks etc
Message-ID: <20060419114902.4447F42963@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Where are they?  I am rebuilding my laptop (SIGH!!!)  and one of the things
I haven't yet found are my old FireFox toolbars and bookmarks.

 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 



From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Apr 19 07:47:23 2006
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:17:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
References: <BAY114-F1728C52799F054F361678CD2C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c101c663af$79507360$620765cb@pcadt>

Mark,

    As a generic solution, it might be desirable to cater to different types of rate structures & discounts, depending upon whether it is a week-end or normal day. More-over, there could be activities where the client continues for a period spanning multiple days (some of which could be week-ends and the others normal ones).

    My sample db named PoolCalcDynamicRates might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    For each booking, this db also provides a break-up of total computed charges, showing periods covered by different rate-slabs and the sub-amounts actually charged.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark A Matte 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 00:16
  Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times


  Hello All,

  I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials calculate automatically.  
  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.  The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be one tomorrow.

  I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and rate. Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

  16:00-16:59 3$
  17:00-18:59 0$
  19:00-19:59 3$
  20:00-21:59 1.5$
  22:00-23:00 3$

  I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

  Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

  Thanks,

  Mark A. Matte

From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Apr 19 08:22:21 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:22:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox toolbars, bookmarks etc
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F20715BA5@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Hi John,

The answer depends a bit on which version you are using, but assuming you
are up to date and running 1.5.0.2 you should find the bookmarks in a folder
along the path...

C:\Documents and Settings\<YOURACCOUNTNAME>\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ia5r73ak.default

Where "ia5r73ak" will be some other random collection of characters. If you
are using Portable Firefox
(http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/browsers/portable_firefox) then the
bookmarks are in ...

<SOMEDRIVELETTER>:\PortableFirefox\profile

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox toolbars, bookmarks etc


Where are they?  I am rebuilding my laptop (SIGH!!!)  and one of the things
I haven't yet found are my old FireFox toolbars and bookmarks.

 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 19 09:56:07 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:56:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDACF@main2.marlow.com>

To do this for one cell, select the cell, for a whole column, select the
column.  Once selected, go to Data --> Validation.  That will open a form.
On the first tab, change the combo box to 'list'.  You can set up the list
any way you want, the easiest is to make it another column (say on a
background sheet).  Now the users will get a combobox when they are in that
cell/column, and it will force them to select from the list.  You can even
customize the message they get if they try to put different data in, with
the Validation option.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes
for
a whole column
firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its results to a
cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Apr 19 10:14:00 2006
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:14:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C03FC478F@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

One more point to this.  Holding the Ctrl key down while selecting cells, you may select random cells throughout the worksheet.
Keep in mind this is to be used for ONE list of data for all the cells.
Unless, of course, you go to each cell and change it.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q

To do this for one cell, select the cell, for a whole column, select the
column.  Once selected, go to Data --> Validation.  That will open a form.
On the first tab, change the combo box to 'list'.  You can set up the list
any way you want, the easiest is to make it another column (say on a
background sheet).  Now the users will get a combobox when they are in that
cell/column, and it will force them to select from the list.  You can even
customize the message they get if they try to put different data in, with
the Validation option.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes
for
a whole column
firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its results to a
cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Apr 19 10:38:41 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:38:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBA1@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Manual user entry into the cell(s) will trigger the validation. Copy paste
or drag and copy unfortunately doesn't trigger the validation so incorrect
data can still be entered. Drag and drop can me turned off by
<tools><options><edit>click check mark on "allow cell drag and drop". This
must be set for each copy of Excel (ie it doesn't follow the worksheet) so I
usually set it off and on in code. 
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


One more point to this.  Holding the Ctrl key down while selecting cells,
you may select random cells throughout the worksheet.
Keep in mind this is to be used for ONE list of data for all the cells.
Unless, of course, you go to each cell and change it.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q

To do this for one cell, select the cell, for a whole column, select the
column.  Once selected, go to Data --> Validation.  That will open a form.
On the first tab, change the combo box to 'list'.  You can set up the list
any way you want, the easiest is to make it another column (say on a
background sheet).  Now the users will get a combobox when they are in that
cell/column, and it will force them to select from the list.  You can even
customize the message they get if they try to put different data in, with
the Validation option.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes
for
a whole column
firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its results to a
cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 19 10:51:23 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:51:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL	Server List
Message-ID: <s44678b0.022@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

Just noticed this, though not a book:

  http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349

I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
(Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

(I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

(While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

______________________________________
Kath Pelletti




From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Apr 19 11:41:16 2006
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:41:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2k - Report group counter
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8016B2524@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

I have a report where I want to count the number of unique People in a
group that received checks.  If I tried to count the PEOPLE_ID I get a
count of the number of checks. I know this has been discussed before but
I just cant find it.  
   Grp1
     p1  ch1
         ch2
        Total amt  <checkcnt>
     p2  ch1
        total amt  <checkcnt>
GRP1 total people 3    --- instead of 2  If I try to count the group
total line COUNT checkcnt in another group it won't let me do that 

Been fighting this all morning and in a bit of a rush.

Thanks
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Apr 19 12:27:07 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:27:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS 2005 Express editions are free forever!
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D3527B@ADGSERVER>

I know that some here are dabbling in Visual Studio.  Now the Express
editions are free forever.

Here is a link to a MS blog telling the news:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2006/04/19/579109.aspx

Here's the official press release:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/apr06/04-19VSExpressFreePR.msp
x

Bobby



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Apr 19 12:34:58 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:34:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D3527D@ADGSERVER>

SQL Server 2005 SP1
The SQL Server 2005 SP1 is finally out and what interests me the most is the
management studio for SQL Express which is finally released not as a CTP. 

Here are some links: 

SP1 Readme 
http://tinyurl.com/n6fca

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0167129-5ac8-49c4-
90bd-0493f3773081&DisplayLang=en 


SP1
http://tinyurl.com/qnkzb

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-47ff-
9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en 


Express Edition 
http://tinyurl.com/syv6w

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=11350b1f-8f44-4db6-
b542-4a4b869c2ff1&DisplayLang=en 
 (Note: this is the full download of Express @ the SP1 level. If you want to
patch Express, download just SP1)


Express Edition with Advanced Services 
http://tinyurl.com/q29o5

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4c6ba9fd-319a-4887-
bc75-3b02b5e48a40&DisplayLang=en 


Management Studio Express
http://tinyurl.com/mw5lz

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c243a5ae-4bd1-4e3d-
94b8-5a0f62bf7796&DisplayLang=en 


Express Edition Toolkit
http://tinyurl.com/oohdk

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3c856b93-369f-4c6f-
9357-c35384179543&DisplayLang=en 




From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Apr 19 12:41:17 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:41:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E04A4@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Marty, Micheal:

> Leaks may depend on the version of MDAC being run ... 

I think so too... Micheal's PHP snippet works almost exactly the same as
my second leak example -- only my code (A2K, ADO 2.8) doesn't leak
anywhere near as fast as 86K an iteration (maybe 86K over a thousand
iterations). Seems like a version issue.

However, the Access CurrentProject.Connection issue John observed does
leak at around 86K per iteration, regardless of the version of ADO
referenced. Perhaps Access is using outdated ADO code internally to
generate its Connection objects.

-Ken


From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Apr 19 13:02:01 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:02:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2k - Report group counter
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E04A7@aries.TexasSystems.local>

 
Patricia, 

> I have a report where I want to count the number of unique People in a
group that received checks ...  

Well, in SQL Server you have Count(Distinct PEOPLE_ID), which will count
the distict people receiving checks. 

Access has no Count Distict function. To duplicate the function, you
have to make a separate query:

    SELECT qSub.GroupID, Count(qSub.PEOPLE_ID) AS GrpPeopleCt 
    FROM (SELECT DISTINCT GroupID, PEOPLE_ID FROM tblMyTable) AS qSub 
    GROUP BY GroupID

This query simply counts the distict people returned from its subquery,
qSub.

Add this query to your original, and join by your GroupID field to get
your GrpPeopleCt value for each group. 

-Ken


From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Apr 19 18:01:40 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:01:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL	Server List
References: <s44678b0.022@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003601c66405$38cef860$6601a8c0@office>

Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Hi Kath

  Just noticed this, though not a book:

    http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349

  I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
  (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

  I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

  But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

  (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

  (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

  ______________________________________
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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Wed Apr 19 18:54:38 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:54:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDACF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20060419235446.DSNO14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi Drew, Jim Hewson and Jim Hale 
Thanks
Validation was the answer

Thanks for the other tips

Brilliant

Darren
------------------------------
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q

To do this for one cell, select the cell, for a whole column, select the column.
Once selected, go to Data --> Validation.  That will open a form.
On the first tab, change the combo box to 'list'.  You can set up the list any
way you want, the easiest is to make it another column (say on a background
sheet).  Now the users will get a combobox when they are in that cell/column,
and it will force them to select from the list.  You can even customize the
message they get if they try to put different data in, with the Validation
option.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes for
a whole column firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its
results to a cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 20 01:06:35 2006
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Measure Outlook Time?!
Message-ID: <20060420060635.44285.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I received a question from my teamleader.
(Pardon my English the following is a bit crappy)
We have to report all (work-related hehe) activities
we do per day. The minimum quantity is 15 minutes.

Every body writes 1 hour for mail activities. We think
that this is much much higher since we receive 100-200
e-mails per day. 

Here's the question:
Is it possible to measure the time Outlook has the
focus? So or the Outlook GUI, or appointments or new
e-mail???
Is this possible??

TIA!

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Apr 20 03:01:34 2006
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:01:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A501@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Take care people...

>From another list...

First impression ... this is the worst sql service pack for years.

After installing and testing the CTP-SP1 build 2040 on 4 development and
test servers for 4 weeks with no errors, we decided to test the official
SP1 build 2047.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-4
7ff-9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en

The details:

Server A (32bit Win2003 and 32bit SQL2005): Installation runs smoothly,
no errors on first sight. But then discovered, that sql is still
reporting to be build 2040 (CTP-SP1) and we believe it, because it's the
only test server which is fully functional (Integration Services) at the
moment. But installer said SP1 Installation successful ... ???

Server B (32bit Win2000 and 32bit SQL2005): Aborted with Client
Components installation. Found out that 630MB free on drive C isn't
enough. After clearing 800MB on C, installation runs with no errors.
After rebooting can't connect to Integration Services (HRESULT:
0x8002801D, TYPE_E_LIBNOTREGISTERED Microsoft.SqlServer.DTSRuntimeWrap)
:-(

Server C (64bit Win2003 and 64bit SQL2005): First installation aborted
with a failure on Integration Services, second try after a reboot says
everything ok, no errors. But after a second reboot Integration Services
service can't start. (The SQL Server Integration Services service failed
to start due to the following error: The service did not respond to the
start or control request in a timely fashion.) :-(

Server D (32bit Win2003 and 32bit SQL2005): Same as Server B, aborted
with Client Components installation. But even after the successful
second install has now a mixture installation with SP1 (build 2047) and
CTP-SP1 (build 2040). After rebooting can't connect to Integration
Services
(HRESULT: 0x8002801D, TYPE_E_LIBNOTREGISTERED
Microsoft.SqlServer.DTSRuntimeWrap) :-(

Well, after this experience we will stay on CTP-SP1 (build 2040) until
there's a usable SP1.

Does anybody else tried the SP1 already? What are your experiences?

Peter


cheers


Michael M

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 3:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today

SQL Server 2005 SP1
The SQL Server 2005 SP1 is finally out and what interests me the most is
the management studio for SQL Express which is finally released not as a
CTP. 

Here are some links: 

SP1 Readme
http://tinyurl.com/n6fca

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0167129-5ac8-4
9c4-
90bd-0493f3773081&DisplayLang=en 


SP1
http://tinyurl.com/qnkzb

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-4
7ff-
9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en 


Express Edition
http://tinyurl.com/syv6w

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=11350b1f-8f44-4
db6-
b542-4a4b869c2ff1&DisplayLang=en
 (Note: this is the full download of Express @ the SP1 level. If you
want to patch Express, download just SP1)


Express Edition with Advanced Services 
http://tinyurl.com/q29o5

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4c6ba9fd-319a-4
887-
bc75-3b02b5e48a40&DisplayLang=en 


Management Studio Express
http://tinyurl.com/mw5lz

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c243a5ae-4bd1-4
e3d-
94b8-5a0f62bf7796&DisplayLang=en 


Express Edition Toolkit
http://tinyurl.com/oohdk

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3c856b93-369f-4
c6f-
9357-c35384179543&DisplayLang=en 


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 20 03:02:38 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:02:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL	Server List
References: <s44678b0.022@cactus.dk> <003601c66405$38cef860$6601a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <002701c66452$817174b0$6501a8c0@Nant>

Kath,

The following are two must have books I think (watch line wraps):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321154894/104-9120876-4614340?v=glance&n=283155
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321194454/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-9120876-4614340?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

" .NET Framework Standard Library Annotated Reference, Volume 1 & 2 are the 
definitive reference for the .NET Framework base class library. This book/CD 
set utilizes extensive annotations and code samples from the creators of the 
technology to move beyond the online documentation and provide .NET 
developers with a dictionary-style reference to the most-used parts of the 
Framework."

The samples are in C# but there are many free converters, which can 
instantly convert them to VB.NET...

Shamil

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From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
List


> Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US 
> addresses only,
> Kath
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Gustav Brock
>  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
> List
>
>
>  Hi Kath
>
>  Just noticed this, though not a book:
>
>    http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349
>
>  I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.
>
>  /gustav
>
>  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
>  (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
>  I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have 
> found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god 
> send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this 
> learning curve....
>
>  But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 
> 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very 
> much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which 
> will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
>
>  (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that 
> it is more of a reference book.)
>
>  (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there 
> another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
>  ______________________________________
>  Kath Pelletti
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 04:34:29 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:34:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
Message-ID: <s44771e0.039@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

Follow the link to International Customers:

http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&category%5Fname=ALLDemo

It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Hi Kath

  Just noticed this, though not a book:

    http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 

  I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
  (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

  I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

  But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

  (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

  (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

  ______________________________________
  Kath Pelletti




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 05:07:43 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:07:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Format to round to the thousand or million
Message-ID: <s44779a9.044@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you know that Format() will let you perform a 4/5 rounding to the thousands or millions etc.?
The trick is to append thousand separators to the format string:

curAmount = 3900725021.36

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0")
3,900,725,021

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,")
3,900,725

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,,")
3,901

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,,,")
4

The same format strings can be applied as Format property of a Textbox.

/gustav



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Apr 20 06:15:23 2006
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:15:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Format to round to the thousand or million
Message-ID: <20060420101526.4A78B3483D9@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

That's neat Gustav. I can think of plenty of times that would have been a
quick alternative on reports. Thanks for the tip. (Now all I have to do is
remember it!)

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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Format to round to the thousand or million
Date: 20/04/06 10:10


Hi all

Did you know that Format() will let you perform a 4/5 rounding to the
thousands or millions etc.?
The trick is to append thousand separators to the format string:

curAmount = 3900725021.36

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0")
3,900,725,021

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,")
3,900,725

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,,")
3,901

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,,,")
4

The same format strings can be applied as Format property of a Textbox.

/gustav

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 05:23:21 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:23:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today
References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A501@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <000f01c66464$73eff250$6601a8c0@office>

Not having tried it,thanks for the warning...

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Maddison 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today


  Take care people...

  >From another list...

  First impression ... this is the worst sql service pack for years.

  After installing and testing the CTP-SP1 build 2040 on 4 development and
  test servers for 4 weeks with no errors, we decided to test the official
  SP1 build 2047.
  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-4
  7ff-9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en

  The details:

  Server A (32bit Win2003 and 32bit SQL2005): Installation runs smoothly,
  no errors on first sight. But then discovered, that sql is still
  reporting to be build 2040 (CTP-SP1) and we believe it, because it's the
  only test server which is fully functional (Integration Services) at the
  moment. But installer said SP1 Installation successful ... ???

  Server B (32bit Win2000 and 32bit SQL2005): Aborted with Client
  Components installation. Found out that 630MB free on drive C isn't
  enough. After clearing 800MB on C, installation runs with no errors.
  After rebooting can't connect to Integration Services (HRESULT:
  0x8002801D, TYPE_E_LIBNOTREGISTERED Microsoft.SqlServer.DTSRuntimeWrap)
  :-(

  Server C (64bit Win2003 and 64bit SQL2005): First installation aborted
  with a failure on Integration Services, second try after a reboot says
  everything ok, no errors. But after a second reboot Integration Services
  service can't start. (The SQL Server Integration Services service failed
  to start due to the following error: The service did not respond to the
  start or control request in a timely fashion.) :-(

  Server D (32bit Win2003 and 32bit SQL2005): Same as Server B, aborted
  with Client Components installation. But even after the successful
  second install has now a mixture installation with SP1 (build 2047) and
  CTP-SP1 (build 2040). After rebooting can't connect to Integration
  Services
  (HRESULT: 0x8002801D, TYPE_E_LIBNOTREGISTERED
  Microsoft.SqlServer.DTSRuntimeWrap) :-(

  Well, after this experience we will stay on CTP-SP1 (build 2040) until
  there's a usable SP1.

  Does anybody else tried the SP1 already? What are your experiences?

  Peter


  cheers


  Michael M

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  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
  Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 3:35 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
  ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
  Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today

  SQL Server 2005 SP1
  The SQL Server 2005 SP1 is finally out and what interests me the most is
  the management studio for SQL Express which is finally released not as a
  CTP. 

  Here are some links: 

  SP1 Readme
  http://tinyurl.com/n6fca

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0167129-5ac8-4
  9c4-
  90bd-0493f3773081&DisplayLang=en 


  SP1
  http://tinyurl.com/qnkzb

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-4
  7ff-
  9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en 


  Express Edition
  http://tinyurl.com/syv6w

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=11350b1f-8f44-4
  db6-
  b542-4a4b869c2ff1&DisplayLang=en
   (Note: this is the full download of Express @ the SP1 level. If you
  want to patch Express, download just SP1)


  Express Edition with Advanced Services 
  http://tinyurl.com/q29o5

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4c6ba9fd-319a-4
  887-
  bc75-3b02b5e48a40&DisplayLang=en 


  Management Studio Express
  http://tinyurl.com/mw5lz

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c243a5ae-4bd1-4
  e3d-
  94b8-5a0f62bf7796&DisplayLang=en 


  Express Edition Toolkit
  http://tinyurl.com/oohdk

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3c856b93-369f-4
  c6f-
  9357-c35384179543&DisplayLang=en 


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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 05:36:20 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:36:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
References: <s44771e0.039@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001a01c66466$438a3290$6601a8c0@office>

I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me. I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back! I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge learning curve.

Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4 hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns (and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult until I learn it all again. Sigh....

Thanks Gustav
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Hi Kath

  Follow the link to International Customers:

  http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&category%5Fname=ALLDemo

  It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
  Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
  Kath

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gustav Brock 
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


    Hi Kath

    Just noticed this, though not a book:

      http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 

    I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

    /gustav

    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
    (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

    I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

    But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

    (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

    (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

    ______________________________________
    Kath Pelletti


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Apr 20 05:54:55 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:54:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43036255F5@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Kath - I have been converting an existing database to visualstudio 2005.
The application has so many features, it makes your head spin.  I have
code for the combo box at home - better yet, the check box controls, the
control for masking input for a field, etc.  I will send you the links
that have been extremely useful, and.... the location of the snippets
are all hidden in VS (the normal coding, for controlling actions of
buttons, etc).  If you would like my home email, email me off line.  I
can send you the sites I find and use as some users start to trickle in
to our new world.  

I just learned the painful lesson of coding an input mask box (took
three hours, yes...) only to find the code is already in the product.
One book that has been a huge help, is named "Mastering Visual Basic
2005" Sybex, ISBN 0-7821-4349-0.  Once I got this book, I was
jumpstarted.  Presently I am developing windows applications that I
deploy via the web.  Many of the user-pretty controls are not yet
available for web applications.  But.. I am using ADO for everything as
the next version of ADO claims to be working towards new features to
enhance web data problems, eliminating the triple state and it will
provide the ability to use the great features on windows forms.




Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List

I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me.
I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back!
I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge
learning curve.

Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to
a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4
hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns
(and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult
until I learn it all again. Sigh....

Thanks Gustav
Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gustav Brock
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
Server List


  Hi Kath

  Follow the link to International Customers:

 
http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&catego
ry%5Fname=ALLDemo

  It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
  Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US
addresses only,
  Kath

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gustav Brock 
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
Server List


    Hi Kath

    Just noticed this, though not a book:

      http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 

    I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

    /gustav

    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
    (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

    I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I
have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute
god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
learning curve....

    But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual
Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad -
very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book
which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

    (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that
that it is more of a reference book.)

    (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is
there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

    ______________________________________
    Kath Pelletti


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 06:07:37 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:07:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences	+	SQL	Server List
Message-ID: <s44787b7.045@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

Thanks! Please do.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 12:36 >>>
.. I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back! ..




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Apr 20 06:47:43 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:47:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: VB.net reference books -
	experiences + SQL Server List
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D88766@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35289@ADGSERVER>

You can also set it up so that every time the program starts, it checks a
given location for any updates.  If there are updates, you can make it so
that it loads the new version the next time, or it immediately loads and
runs the new version.

Looks like there's a lot of neat stuff there.

Here's some links for you:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/learning/clickonce/
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/library/t71a733d(VS.80).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/05/clickonce/default.aspx

A video: 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20040108ClickO
nceJC/manifest.xml

Bobby

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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +
SQL Server List
Importance: Low


You can create an executable - no more sagekey or that second rate
Access Deployment Package Wizard. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List

Hi Karen - what is one click?

Kath



From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Thu Apr 20 08:35:47 2006
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:35:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2k - Report group counter
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8016B252D@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

THANK YOU.

More round-a-bout than I wanted to go but got the job done.  

Would like to be able to count the Person group footer data at the
Location level then the location level at the upper group level. 


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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 02:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2k - Report group counter
> 
>  
> Patricia, 
> 
> > I have a report where I want to count the number of unique 
> People in a
> group that received checks ...  
> 
> Well, in SQL Server you have Count(Distinct PEOPLE_ID), which 
> will count the distict people receiving checks. 
> 
> Access has no Count Distict function. To duplicate the 
> function, you have to make a separate query:
> 
>     SELECT qSub.GroupID, Count(qSub.PEOPLE_ID) AS GrpPeopleCt 
>     FROM (SELECT DISTINCT GroupID, PEOPLE_ID FROM tblMyTable) AS qSub 
>     GROUP BY GroupID
> 
> This query simply counts the distict people returned from its 
> subquery, qSub.
> 
> Add this query to your original, and join by your GroupID 
> field to get your GrpPeopleCt value for each group. 
> 
> -Ken
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 20 09:15:29 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:15:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Macro vs VBA
In-Reply-To: <00c101c663af$79507360$620765cb@pcadt>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F321F08090BF99617133A25D2BA0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via odbc 
to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together that 
create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No big 
deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the mdb 
will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a scheduler.  
My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to 
think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro or 
VBA?

Thanks,

Mark

P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...




From marcus at tsstech.com  Thu Apr 20 09:55:26 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:55:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A48@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

<<My question is is there any difference,
<< benefit, concern, or anything to think
<< about when choosing between launching
<< these 3 queries with a macro or VBA?

Sure, How about error handling when the database links are broken or
when the database is unavailable (network outage, maintenance, etc.)?
You will have better options with VBA.

Scott Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA

Hello All,

Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via
odbc 
to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together
that 
create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No
big 
deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the
mdb 
will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a
scheduler.  
My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to

think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro
or 
VBA?

Thanks,

Mark

P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 20 09:57:16 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
References: <BAY114-F321F08090BF99617133A25D2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002001c6648a$b8554be0$6501a8c0@Nant>

> P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
Mark,

The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the simpler you 
project will look like in the end...  :)

If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost 
connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...

But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and 
program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases you 
can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program error 
handling.

This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers' 
satisfaction...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA


> Hello All,
>
> Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via odbc
> to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together 
> that
> create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No 
> big
> deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the mdb
> will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a 
> scheduler.
> My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to
> think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro 
> or
> VBA?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 20 10:14:06 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:14:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
In-Reply-To: <002001c6648a$b8554be0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F24C83DACCACA0E8C5EC53DD2BA0@phx.gbl>

I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>Mark,
>
>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the simpler 
>you
>project will look like in the end...  :)
>
>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost
>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases you
>can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program error
>handling.
>
>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers'
>satisfaction...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via 
>odbc
> > to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together
> > that
> > create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No
> > big
> > deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the 
>mdb
> > will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a
> > scheduler.
> > My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to
> > think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro
> > or
> > VBA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
> >
> >
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Apr 20 10:43:04 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:43:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F20715FC7@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

So log any error messages to a table that can be checked when a human
operator next runs the application.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA


I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and 
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>Mark,
>
>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the 
>simpler
>you
>project will look like in the end...  :)
>
>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost 
>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and 
>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases 
>you can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program 
>error handling.
>
>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers' 
>satisfaction...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links 
> > via
>odbc
> > to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries 
> > together that create a local copy of the data...delete the 
> > old...that kinda stuff.  No big
> > deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the 
>mdb
> > will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a 
> > scheduler. My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, 
> > or anything to think about when choosing between launching these 3 
> > queries with a macro or
> > VBA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
> >
> >
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 10:45:00 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:45:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
Message-ID: <s447c8ae.064@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Write Success or Fail to a log file, a log table or a log e-mail.

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 20-04-2006 17:14:06 >>>
I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?




From marcus at tsstech.com  Thu Apr 20 10:59:39 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:59:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A4C@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

Maybe the program could email someone when the process fails.

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA

I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't
be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>Mark,
>
>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the
simpler 
>you
>project will look like in the end...  :)
>
>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost
>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases
you
>can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program
error
>handling.
>
>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers'
>satisfaction...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links
via 
>odbc
> > to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries
together
> > that
> > create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.
No
> > big
> > deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.
the 
>mdb
> > will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a
> > scheduler.
> > My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or
anything to
> > think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a
macro
> > or
> > VBA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
> >
> >
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 11:07:24 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:07:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F24C83DACCACA0E8C5EC53DD2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060420160734.C3F6342BBE@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Email error reports to someone.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA

I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>Mark,
>
>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the simpler 
>you
>project will look like in the end...  :)
>
>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost
>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases you
>can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program error
>handling.
>
>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers'
>satisfaction...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via 
>odbc
> > to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together
> > that
> > create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No
> > big
> > deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the 
>mdb
> > will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a
> > scheduler.
> > My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to
> > think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro
> > or
> > VBA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
> >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 20 11:36:14 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:36:14 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
References: <BAY114-F24C83DACCACA0E8C5EC53DD2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004401c66498$8b67cc80$6501a8c0@Nant>

Implement unattended execution mode and logging.
Then port your solution by copy&paste to VB6.
Abandon MS Access.
Make VB6 GUI-less/console .exe app.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA


>I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>>program graceful user friendly messages for
>
> The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be
> anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
>
>>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>>
>> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>>Mark,
>>
>>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the simpler
>>you
>>project will look like in the end...  :)
>>
>>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost
>>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>>
>>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases you
>>can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program error
>>handling.
>>
>>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers'
>>satisfaction...
>>
>>Shamil
<<< tail skipped >>>


From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 11:56:56 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:56:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK
Message-ID: <20060420165703.6CF5442A4F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

This is a situation I have run into before and just wondered how you guys
handle this.  The situation in this particular case is:

 

A claimant can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

A "Payee" can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

 

So you have common information:

 

tblEFTData

 

FKID

BankName

RoutingNo

AcctNo

IDCLMT            <FK from the Claimant table

IDPAYEE          <FK from the payee table

 

Do you create two fields to hold the possible FKs?  This makes clean SQL
implementation - you can join the Claimant table or the Payee Table, just
join on the correct field.

 

Or.

 

Do you use a common FK field and a "FK Type" field

 

IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field

IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.

 

Again, this can be done fairly simply in SQL, join on the common field, and
just feed in a different IDFKType in the Where clause?

 

The second method does not allow simple engine enforcement of relational
integrity, but it allows easy creation of other entities using tblEFTData.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 20 12:41:38 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:41:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK
References: <20060420165703.6CF5442A4F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <000801c664a1$ae9217c0$6501a8c0@Nant>

John,

The second solution is more flexible:

> IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field
> IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.

>From relational data model purists point of view yet another solution with 
additional relationship tables is more correct and as flexible as the second 
one.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK


> This is a situation I have run into before and just wondered how you guys
> handle this.  The situation in this particular case is:
>
>
>
> A claimant can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into 
> several
> different accounts.
>
> A "Payee" can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
> different accounts.
>
>
>
> So you have common information:
>
>
>
> tblEFTData
>
>
>
> FKID
>
> BankName
>
> RoutingNo
>
> AcctNo
>
> IDCLMT            <FK from the Claimant table
>
> IDPAYEE          <FK from the payee table
>
>
>
> Do you create two fields to hold the possible FKs?  This makes clean SQL
> implementation - you can join the Claimant table or the Payee Table, just
> join on the correct field.
>
>
>
> Or.
>
>
>
> Do you use a common FK field and a "FK Type" field
>
>
>
> IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field
>
> IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.
>
>
>
> Again, this can be done fairly simply in SQL, join on the common field, 
> and
> just feed in a different IDFKType in the Where clause?
>
>
>
> The second method does not allow simple engine enforcement of relational
> integrity, but it allows easy creation of other entities using tblEFTData.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 20 12:50:57 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:50:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK
In-Reply-To: <20060420165703.6CF5442A4F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <E1FWdIz-00048y-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

  Six one half a dozen another type of thing...

  I use Style #2 because from my viewpoint, the transaction is related to
only one other thing.  With separate fields, it would be possible to fill
both fields (i.e.. Someone edits the table by hand) and you now have one
transaction related to two things.

  You also have additional overhead in maintaining extra indexes.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK

This is a situation I have run into before and just wondered how you guys
handle this.  The situation in this particular case is:

 

A claimant can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

A "Payee" can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

 

So you have common information:

 

tblEFTData

 

FKID

BankName

RoutingNo

AcctNo

IDCLMT            <FK from the Claimant table

IDPAYEE          <FK from the payee table

 

Do you create two fields to hold the possible FKs?  This makes clean SQL
implementation - you can join the Claimant table or the Payee Table, just
join on the correct field.

 

Or.

 

Do you use a common FK field and a "FK Type" field

 

IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field

IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.

 

Again, this can be done fairly simply in SQL, join on the common field, and
just feed in a different IDFKType in the Where clause?

 

The second method does not allow simple engine enforcement of relational
integrity, but it allows easy creation of other entities using tblEFTData.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 

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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Thu Apr 20 12:51:33 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:51:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Normalizing Excel Data
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1145552401.16245.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF89424BE5.BA8BE551-ON85257156.0060CCA5-85257156.00621AAD@is002023.gdls.com>

This will be a simplified version of what I need. I believe I can expand it
appropriately, if I can be helped in this simplified version.

Let's say we have an Excel spreadsheet with the following data:

ID    Name  Data_A      Data_B      Data_C
100   Tom   11    22    33
101   Mary  44    55    66
102   John  77    88    99

Now, what I want to do is to import this into Access, where I've already
normalized tables as follows:

tblMain
Main_ID     Long integer, autonumber
Main_Num    Single
Main_Name   Text


tblData
Data_ID     Long integer, autonumber
Data_Num    Single
Data_Value  Single


What I need to create from these tables and the appropriate relationship is
as follows:

Data_Num    Data_Value
100.01            11
100.02            22
100.03            33
101.01            44
101.02            55
etc.

What I am doing is creating a new ID number for each Name-Data combination,
and entering its given data in that record. For each value in DataA, the
new ID number is formed by adding .01 to the Main_Num for the corresponding
Name record.

This is required by business rules, not by logical database rules. Sigh.
Anyway, I'm looking for logical ways to (1) set this up initially, (2)
import the Excel data, which is, of course, flat file, and (3) have it
available afterwords for normal database usage, meaning inputting data
directly, rather than through importing.

I hope this is clear (I wouldn't place any bets on it, though). Any help
would be sincerely appreciated. I've been working on it for quite a while,
but just can't seem to get a handle on it.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 20 13:47:55 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:47:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Normalizing Excel Data
References: <OF89424BE5.BA8BE551-ON85257156.0060CCA5-85257156.00621AAD@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <4447D75B.4050607@shaw.ca>

Why not do it through ADO rather than import, you can retrieve 
individual sheets too.

    'Open the ADO connection to the Excel workbook
    Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
    oConn.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
               "Data Source=" & App.Path & "\Results\Orders1.xls;" & _
               "Extended Properties=""Excel 8.0;HDR=NO;"""

Then just move the Excel fields into Access Tables.

ExcelADO demonstrates how to use ADO to read and write data in Excel 
workbooks
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/278973/EN-US/

and
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257819/EN-US/

Here are some slightly different methods but still ADO based
I tested by exporting  Northwind Products table to xls file.

Sub test()
Dim oConn As New ADODB.Connection
Dim oRS As New ADODB.Recordset
Set oRS = New ADODB.Recordset
Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
With oConn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties").Value = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\Excel\ExcelADO\Results\Products.xls"
    '....
   
    'Set oRS = cConn.Open("Select * from [Sheet1$A1:B10]", oConn, 
adOpenStatic)
With oRS
 .Open "Insert Into tbltest SELECT * FROM [Products$A1:B10]", _
         oConn, adOpenStatic
 '.Open "SELECT * FROM [Sheet1$] WHERE LastName = 'Doe'", _
 '        cnnDB, adOpenDynamic, , adCmdText
 Debug.Print oRS.RecordCount
 .Close
End With
    .Close
End With

End Sub



Sub ImportExcelToAccess()
Dim sqlString As String
Dim strexcelpath As String
Dim dbs As Database
Set dbs = CurrentDb
strexcelpath = "C:\Excel\ExcelADO\Results\Products.xls"

'Import to Excel
'Assumes Access table does not already exist

sqlString = "SELECT * INTO [tblExcelNew] FROM [Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & _
             strexcelpath & ";HDR=Yes;IMEX=1].[Products$A1:B100]"
'export to Excel
sqlString = " INSERT INTO [Excel 
8.0;Database=C:\temp\MyWorkbook.xls;].[MySheet1$E6:G65536]" & _
            "SELECT * FROM MyTable WHERE MyKeyCol = 99"
           
'Assumes Access table exists
'sqlString = "INSERT INTO [tblExcelNew] (Product, UnitPrice, 
UnitsInStock)" & _
' " SELECT Product, UnitPrice, UnitsInStock from" & _
' "[Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & strexcelpath & ";HDR=Yes;IMEX=1].[Products$];"

Debug.Print sqlString
dbs.Execute sqlString
Set cnn = Nothing

End Sub

ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:

>This will be a simplified version of what I need. I believe I can expand it
>appropriately, if I can be helped in this simplified version.
>
>Let's say we have an Excel spreadsheet with the following data:
>
>ID    Name  Data_A      Data_B      Data_C
>100   Tom   11    22    33
>101   Mary  44    55    66
>102   John  77    88    99
>
>Now, what I want to do is to import this into Access, where I've already
>normalized tables as follows:
>
>tblMain
>Main_ID     Long integer, autonumber
>Main_Num    Single
>Main_Name   Text
>
>
>tblData
>Data_ID     Long integer, autonumber
>Data_Num    Single
>Data_Value  Single
>
>
>What I need to create from these tables and the appropriate relationship is
>as follows:
>
>Data_Num    Data_Value
>100.01            11
>100.02            22
>100.03            33
>101.01            44
>101.02            55
>etc.
>
>What I am doing is creating a new ID number for each Name-Data combination,
>and entering its given data in that record. For each value in DataA, the
>new ID number is formed by adding .01 to the Main_Num for the corresponding
>Name record.
>
>This is required by business rules, not by logical database rules. Sigh.
>Anyway, I'm looking for logical ways to (1) set this up initially, (2)
>import the Excel data, which is, of course, flat file, and (3) have it
>available afterwords for normal database usage, meaning inputting data
>directly, rather than through importing.
>
>I hope this is clear (I wouldn't place any bets on it, though). Any help
>would be sincerely appreciated. I've been working on it for quite a while,
>but just can't seem to get a handle on it.
>
>TIA,
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>FCS Database Manager
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>(586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 13:49:44 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:49:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK
In-Reply-To: <E1FWdIz-00048y-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060420184953.ABE8B42AC4@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Good points.   


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Same data, different FK

John,

  Six one half a dozen another type of thing...

  I use Style #2 because from my viewpoint, the transaction is related to
only one other thing.  With separate fields, it would be possible to fill
both fields (i.e.. Someone edits the table by hand) and you now have one
transaction related to two things.

  You also have additional overhead in maintaining extra indexes.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK

This is a situation I have run into before and just wondered how you guys
handle this.  The situation in this particular case is:

 

A claimant can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

A "Payee" can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

 

So you have common information:

 

tblEFTData

 

FKID

BankName

RoutingNo

AcctNo

IDCLMT            <FK from the Claimant table

IDPAYEE          <FK from the payee table

 

Do you create two fields to hold the possible FKs?  This makes clean SQL
implementation - you can join the Claimant table or the Payee Table, just
join on the correct field.

 

Or.

 

Do you use a common FK field and a "FK Type" field

 

IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field

IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.

 

Again, this can be done fairly simply in SQL, join on the common field, and
just feed in a different IDFKType in the Where clause?

 

The second method does not allow simple engine enforcement of relational
integrity, but it allows easy creation of other entities using tblEFTData.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 14:05:41 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:05:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <20060420190550.860EC42BBF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

I have a specific tabbed form in the Disability Insurance Specialists
database, which shows all claim info, i.e. all claim and child tables.
There are 19 tabs!  Most tabs contain subforms displaying data from the
tables child to Claim.  I use Just In Time subforms to only open the
subforms when a specific tab is clicked on (all driven automatically by the
framework BTW).

This works just fine.  The only issue that just started occurring is the
"can't open any more databases".  This is one of Access misleading error
messages, and appears to be caused by the fact that each object with a data
source such as forms (subforms), combos and list boxes all "open a
connection" to the BE which stays open as long as the object is open.  I
haven't (recently) counted how many such objects can be open at once but the
number is quite large.  I seem to remember from long ago when I was
investigating this, that it is something like 240.

One workaround that I am using is to unload the subform on a tab as the
person "tabs away".  Since the subform now closes, all such objects
contained in that form close and their "connection" is returned to the pool
of available connections.  This has a rather serious side effect of slowing
down the operation of the form when they go back to a specific tab
containing subforms, as the subform has to reload every time the tab is
clicked.

I would try to use ADO recordsets if I thought it would help.  Before I do
that though, does anyone know if changing the query behind a combo to a
snapshot would prevent this issue?  IOW, does a recordset being a snapshot
allow Access to close the connection (and does Access do so)?

The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if changing
to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then this would go a
long way to ameliorating this issue

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Apr 20 14:32:42 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625628@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Converting the queries to code helps, shapshot mode is faster, but ADO
is the bomb. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

I have a specific tabbed form in the Disability Insurance Specialists
database, which shows all claim info, i.e. all claim and child tables.
There are 19 tabs!  Most tabs contain subforms displaying data from the
tables child to Claim.  I use Just In Time subforms to only open the
subforms when a specific tab is clicked on (all driven automatically by
the framework BTW).

This works just fine.  The only issue that just started occurring is the
"can't open any more databases".  This is one of Access misleading error
messages, and appears to be caused by the fact that each object with a
data source such as forms (subforms), combos and list boxes all "open a
connection" to the BE which stays open as long as the object is open.  I
haven't (recently) counted how many such objects can be open at once but
the number is quite large.  I seem to remember from long ago when I was
investigating this, that it is something like 240.

One workaround that I am using is to unload the subform on a tab as the
person "tabs away".  Since the subform now closes, all such objects
contained in that form close and their "connection" is returned to the
pool of available connections.  This has a rather serious side effect of
slowing down the operation of the form when they go back to a specific
tab containing subforms, as the subform has to reload every time the tab
is clicked.

I would try to use ADO recordsets if I thought it would help.  Before I
do that though, does anyone know if changing the query behind a combo to
a snapshot would prevent this issue?  IOW, does a recordset being a
snapshot allow Access to close the connection (and does Access do so)?

The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if
changing to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then
this would go a long way to ameliorating this issue

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 14:42:08 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:42:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625628@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <20060420194217.62F5042BCC@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

?but ADO is the bomb

What does this mean?  Bad or good?


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen S.
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

Converting the queries to code helps, shapshot mode is faster, but ADO is
the bomb. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

I have a specific tabbed form in the Disability Insurance Specialists
database, which shows all claim info, i.e. all claim and child tables.
There are 19 tabs!  Most tabs contain subforms displaying data from the
tables child to Claim.  I use Just In Time subforms to only open the
subforms when a specific tab is clicked on (all driven automatically by the
framework BTW).

This works just fine.  The only issue that just started occurring is the
"can't open any more databases".  This is one of Access misleading error
messages, and appears to be caused by the fact that each object with a data
source such as forms (subforms), combos and list boxes all "open a
connection" to the BE which stays open as long as the object is open.  I
haven't (recently) counted how many such objects can be open at once but the
number is quite large.  I seem to remember from long ago when I was
investigating this, that it is something like 240.

One workaround that I am using is to unload the subform on a tab as the
person "tabs away".  Since the subform now closes, all such objects
contained in that form close and their "connection" is returned to the pool
of available connections.  This has a rather serious side effect of slowing
down the operation of the form when they go back to a specific tab
containing subforms, as the subform has to reload every time the tab is
clicked.

I would try to use ADO recordsets if I thought it would help.  Before I do
that though, does anyone know if changing the query behind a combo to a
snapshot would prevent this issue?  IOW, does a recordset being a snapshot
allow Access to close the connection (and does Access do so)?

The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if changing
to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then this would go a
long way to ameliorating this issue

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 20 15:18:00 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:18:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <20060420194217.62F5042BCC@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F3881C0380B20A7473A2390D2BA0@phx.gbl>

lol...I don't really want to comment on that JC...but it reminds me...

I was having lunch at a favorite hangout a few weeks...and one of the YOUNG 
waitresses made a comment about me...I just smiled...and when I got home I 
asked one of the neighborhood kids...it turns out it translated to a very 
flattering compliment( but made me very aware of the age difference).  Who 
knew?!?!?!?

I guess every generation/region adds its own twist/mark on the English 
language.  I wonder if other languages go though this reversal of meaning 
with each new generation.

Either way...I don't think you intended it that way...but thanks for the 
humor.

Mark A. Matte


>From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:42:08 -0400
>
>?but ADO is the bomb
>
>What does this mean?  Bad or good?
>
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen S.
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:33 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
>
>Converting the queries to code helps, shapshot mode is faster, but ADO is
>the bomb.
>
>
>Karen S. Long
>Programmer Analyst
>EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
>Pittsburgh, PA
>Phone: 412-386-6649
>Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:06 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
>
>I have a specific tabbed form in the Disability Insurance Specialists
>database, which shows all claim info, i.e. all claim and child tables.
>There are 19 tabs!  Most tabs contain subforms displaying data from the
>tables child to Claim.  I use Just In Time subforms to only open the
>subforms when a specific tab is clicked on (all driven automatically by the
>framework BTW).
>
>This works just fine.  The only issue that just started occurring is the
>"can't open any more databases".  This is one of Access misleading error
>messages, and appears to be caused by the fact that each object with a data
>source such as forms (subforms), combos and list boxes all "open a
>connection" to the BE which stays open as long as the object is open.  I
>haven't (recently) counted how many such objects can be open at once but 
>the
>number is quite large.  I seem to remember from long ago when I was
>investigating this, that it is something like 240.
>
>One workaround that I am using is to unload the subform on a tab as the
>person "tabs away".  Since the subform now closes, all such objects
>contained in that form close and their "connection" is returned to the pool
>of available connections.  This has a rather serious side effect of slowing
>down the operation of the form when they go back to a specific tab
>containing subforms, as the subform has to reload every time the tab is
>clicked.
>
>I would try to use ADO recordsets if I thought it would help.  Before I do
>that though, does anyone know if changing the query behind a combo to a
>snapshot would prevent this issue?  IOW, does a recordset being a snapshot
>allow Access to close the connection (and does Access do so)?
>
>The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if 
>changing
>to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then this would go a
>long way to ameliorating this issue
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 20 16:43:58 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:43:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <20060420190550.860EC42BBF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <44488D3E.13192.18C95843@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 20 Apr 2006 at 15:05, John Colby wrote:


> The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if changing
> to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then this would go a
> long way to ameliorating this issue

If the combo data is static, one way to cut down the connections is to pull 
it all once into arrays and feed it into the combos as lists rather than 
using recordsets.

I've just done something similar recently in a VB/SQL Server application 
where I have a large number of inter-dependent combo boxes. With up to 100 
concurrently users, I didn't want to be requerying multiple comboboxes over 
the network constantly, so I pull all the data into a set of arrays at 
startup and dynamically build the combobox datalists from the arrays as 
required.

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 18:19:29 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:19:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43036255F5@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <001701c664d0$e07f6ba0$6601a8c0@office>

Thanks Karen - great to hear form someone going through the same process.....I think my job on this particular application is that I am learning SQL Server 2005 at the same time as learning vb.net.

Lots of pitfalls in both places - but it's coming together slowly. I would really appreciate any links / snippets you can pass on and I will be very happy to do the same.

The only real code I can offer at the moment is to bind data to a dataviewgrid on a form - I am learning everything from scratch again. I have the SQL back end defined, a menu system roughed out, some import processes written,  and I am now working through the forms. 

The most frustrating thing I am finding with web links (especially with MS!) is that you google  eg. 'bind combo visual basic.net" and end up with samples which are headed .net but which use the old VB6 methods and controls, eg. DataGrid as opposed to DataGridWiew.

Are you writing an actual application in vb.net at the moment, or just learning up on it?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Long, Karen S. 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Kath - I have been converting an existing database to visualstudio 2005.
  The application has so many features, it makes your head spin.  I have
  code for the combo box at home - better yet, the check box controls, the
  control for masking input for a field, etc.  I will send you the links
  that have been extremely useful, and.... the location of the snippets
  are all hidden in VS (the normal coding, for controlling actions of
  buttons, etc).  If you would like my home email, email me off line.  I
  can send you the sites I find and use as some users start to trickle in
  to our new world.  

  I just learned the painful lesson of coding an input mask box (took
  three hours, yes...) only to find the code is already in the product.
  One book that has been a huge help, is named "Mastering Visual Basic
  2005" Sybex, ISBN 0-7821-4349-0.  Once I got this book, I was
  jumpstarted.  Presently I am developing windows applications that I
  deploy via the web.  Many of the user-pretty controls are not yet
  available for web applications.  But.. I am using ADO for everything as
  the next version of ADO claims to be working towards new features to
  enhance web data problems, eliminating the triple state and it will
  provide the ability to use the great features on windows forms.




  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:36 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
  List

  I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me.
  I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back!
  I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge
  learning curve.

  Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to
  a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4
  hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns
  (and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult
  until I learn it all again. Sigh....

  Thanks Gustav
  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Gustav Brock
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
  Server List


    Hi Kath

    Follow the link to International Customers:

   
  http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&catego
  ry%5Fname=ALLDemo

    It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.

    /gustav

    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
    Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US
  addresses only,
    Kath

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Gustav Brock 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
  Server List


      Hi Kath

      Just noticed this, though not a book:

        http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 

      I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

      /gustav

      >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
      (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

      I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I
  have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute
  god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
  learning curve....

      But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual
  Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad -
  very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book
  which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

      (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that
  that it is more of a reference book.)

      (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is
  there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

      ______________________________________
      Kath Pelletti


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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 18:23:14 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:23:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL	Server List
References: <s44678b0.022@cactus.dk> <003601c66405$38cef860$6601a8c0@office>
	<002701c66452$817174b0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <003201c664d1$66221550$6601a8c0@office>

Thanks Shamil
Kath
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  From: Shamil Salakhetdinov 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Kath,

  The following are two must have books I think (watch line wraps):

  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321154894/104-9120876-4614340?v=glance&n=283155
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321194454/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-9120876-4614340?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

  " .NET Framework Standard Library Annotated Reference, Volume 1 & 2 are the 
  definitive reference for the .NET Framework base class library. This book/CD 
  set utilizes extensive annotations and code samples from the creators of the 
  technology to move beyond the online documentation and provide .NET 
  developers with a dictionary-style reference to the most-used parts of the 
  Framework."

  The samples are in C# but there are many free converters, which can 
  instantly convert them to VB.NET...

  Shamil

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
  List


  > Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US 
  > addresses only,
  > Kath
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Gustav Brock
  >  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  >  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
  >  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
  > List
  >
  >
  >  Hi Kath
  >
  >  Just noticed this, though not a book:
  >
  >    http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349
  >
  >  I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.
  >
  >  /gustav
  >
  >  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
  >  (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
  >
  >  I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have 
  > found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god 
  > send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this 
  > learning curve....
  >
  >  But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 
  > 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very 
  > much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which 
  > will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
  >
  >  (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that 
  > it is more of a reference book.)
  >
  >  (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there 
  > another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
  >
  >  ______________________________________
  >  Kath Pelletti
  >
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 18:35:31 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:35:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: VB.net reference books
	-experiences + SQL Server List
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Bobby - have you used it? (Why does a product called Click Once from MS immediately make us all think that it'll be more like CLick 1000 times?)

:)
Kath
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  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:47 PM
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  You can also set it up so that every time the program starts, it checks a
  given location for any updates.  If there are updates, you can make it so
  that it loads the new version the next time, or it immediately loads and
  runs the new version.

  Looks like there's a lot of neat stuff there.

  Here's some links for you:
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/learning/clickonce/
  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/library/t71a733d(VS.80).aspx
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/05/clickonce/default.aspx

  A video: 
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20040108ClickO
  nceJC/manifest.xml

  Bobby

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  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:20 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +
  SQL Server List
  Importance: Low


  You can create an executable - no more sagekey or that second rate
  Access Deployment Package Wizard. 


  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:34 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
  List

  Hi Karen - what is one click?

  Kath

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 20:05:36 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:05:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F3881C0380B20A7473A2390D2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060421010549.4912042A3C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

LOL, I intended it exactly that way.  "ADO is the bomb" sounds like an age
specific phrase and I am apparently not the right age to understand it.
We'll see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

lol...I don't really want to comment on that JC...but it reminds me...

I was having lunch at a favorite hangout a few weeks...and one of the YOUNG
waitresses made a comment about me...I just smiled...and when I got home I
asked one of the neighborhood kids...it turns out it translated to a very
flattering compliment( but made me very aware of the age difference).  Who
knew?!?!?!?

I guess every generation/region adds its own twist/mark on the English
language.  I wonder if other languages go though this reversal of meaning
with each new generation.

Either way...I don't think you intended it that way...but thanks for the
humor.

Mark A. Matte



From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Apr 20 20:56:57 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:56:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C723@dewey.Symphony.local>

I think it may be a cultural thing...because the first time I heard it
was from a group of very hip older (60+) ladies...four or five years
ago.  And they were applying it to our software!  Which they bought,
very happily.


Thanks,

Liz 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

LOL, I intended it exactly that way.  "ADO is the bomb" sounds like an
age specific phrase and I am apparently not the right age to understand
it.
We'll see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

lol...I don't really want to comment on that JC...but it reminds me...

I was having lunch at a favorite hangout a few weeks...and one of the
YOUNG waitresses made a comment about me...I just smiled...and when I
got home I asked one of the neighborhood kids...it turns out it
translated to a very flattering compliment( but made me very aware of
the age difference).  Who knew?!?!?!?

I guess every generation/region adds its own twist/mark on the English
language.  I wonder if other languages go though this reversal of
meaning with each new generation.

Either way...I don't think you intended it that way...but thanks for the
humor.

Mark A. Matte

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 20 22:23:08 2006
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:23:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
In-Reply-To: <4445588C.7030400@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F279A70040ED086AD397A33E5BB0@phx.gbl>

retrieve information from the computer's locale that created the string to 
determine short date format of dates

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0017.htm


>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:22:20 -0700
>
>Dear List:
>
>I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year
>of expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.
>For the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd
>is always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the
>program is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled
>"dd/mm/yy".  Is there an easy way to find out which format to use or
>another way to get around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?
>
>MTIA
>
>Rocky
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 21 04:26:39 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:26:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Message-ID: <16006586.1145611599491.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103>

To All,
I am without success trying to write some code using ADO (Access XP) in a function which will loop through all the tables I have and if a particular table (schednew) exists then delete it.
Can anyone please provide some sample code or point me in the right direction to do this, as I am suffering from a Friday brain dead moment I think.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 21 05:00:34 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:00:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Message-ID: <s448c96f.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Why not just delete the table:

Function DeleteTable()
  
  Dim cat As New ADOX.Catalog
  Dim tbl As ADOX.Table
  
  cat.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
  On Error Resume Next
  Set tbl = cat.Tables("schednew")
  If Err.Number = 0 Then
    cat.Tables.Delete tbl.Name
  End If
  
  Set tbl = Nothing
  Set cat = Nothing

End Function


>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 11:26 >>>
To All,
I am without success trying to write some code using ADO (Access XP) in a function which will loop through all the tables I have and if a particular table (schednew) exists then delete it.
Can anyone please provide some sample code or point me in the right direction to do this, as I am suffering from a Friday brain dead moment I think.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 21 05:06:40 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:06:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Message-ID: <31267781.1145614000885.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103>

Thanks Gustav, but can't just delete the table as it's it a function and you pass the name of the table to the function, can be one of three, so I came up with this:
Function CheckTables(strName As String) As Integer
    ' **** Use This Function To Check For Existing Table Before Import, If Exists Then Delete It ****
    Dim catOpen As New ADOX.Catalog
    Dim tblFind As ADOX.Table
    
    Set catOpen.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
    
    For Each tblFind In catOpen.Tables
        If (tblFind.Name = strName) Then
            catOpen.Tables.Delete tblFind.Name
            'MsgBox tblFind.Name
        End If
    Next tblFind
    
    Set tblFind = Nothing
    Set catOpen = Nothing
End Function





Message Received: Apr 21 2006, 11:02 AM
From: "Gustav Brock" 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO

Hi Paul

Why not just delete the table:

Function DeleteTable()

Dim cat As New ADOX.Catalog
Dim tbl As ADOX.Table

cat.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
On Error Resume Next
Set tbl = cat.Tables("schednew")
If Err.Number = 0 Then
cat.Tables.Delete tbl.Name
End If

Set tbl = Nothing
Set cat = Nothing

End Function


>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 11:26 >>>
To All,
I am without success trying to write some code using ADO (Access XP) in a function which will loop through all the tables I have and if a particular table (schednew) exists then delete it.
Can anyone please provide some sample code or point me in the right direction to do this, as I am suffering from a Friday brain dead moment I think.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland

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s

From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Apr 21 09:33:37 2006
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:33:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Utility
Message-ID: <002c01c66550$93cfdc60$0b00a8c0@desktop>

Can anyone recommend a good, "all-around" utility for Access XP databases for under a couple hundred bucks?  One that provides basic statistics about the database (e.g., number of objects) as well as features that compare objects between databases (also comparing code) as well as other helpful nifty tools?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Apr 21 09:24:41 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:24:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A7251@main2.marlow.com>

Dim cnn as ADODB.Connection
Dim rs as ADODB.Recordset
Set cnn=new ADODB.Connection
Cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
Cnn.Open "D:\Test.mdb" 'Change this to the path of the database you want to
use this for
Set rs = Cnn.OpenSchema(adSchemaTables)
If rs.EOF = False Then rs.MoveFirst
Do Until rs.EOF = True
    If rs.Fields("TABLE_NAME").Value = "schednew" Then
	  Cnn.Execute "DROP TABLE schednew"
	End if
	Rs.movenext
Loop
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
Cnn.close
Set cnn=nothing


This will work from outside the database.  To use this inside, change it to
this:

Dim cnn as ADODB.Connection
Dim rs as ADODB.Recordset
Set cnn=CurrentProject.Connection
Set rs = Cnn.OpenSchema(adSchemaTables)
If rs.EOF = False Then rs.MoveFirst
Do Until rs.EOF = True
    If rs.Fields("TABLE_NAME").Value = "schednew" Then
	  Cnn.Execute "DROP TABLE schednew"
	End if
	Rs.movenext
Loop
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
Set cnn=nothing

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Importance: High

To All,
I am without success trying to write some code using ADO (Access XP) in a
function which will loop through all the tables I have and if a particular
table (schednew) exists then delete it.
Can anyone please provide some sample code or point me in the right
direction to do this, as I am suffering from a Friday brain dead moment I
think.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 21 09:34:05 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:34:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database Using ADO
Message-ID: <4962455.1145630045944.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

To all,
Gustav helped me a little bit earlier (thanks a lot Gustav) in detecting if a table exists and deleting it if it does.  But I can't seem to find anything on copying and renaming tables using ADO, if anyone has any sample code or could point me in the right direction I would be grateful.
Thank you for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 21 10:02:25 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:02:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database Using	ADO
Message-ID: <s4491044.092@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul 

Rename is quite easy:

Function RenameTable()
  
  Dim cat As New ADOX.Catalog
  Dim tbl As ADOX.Table
  
  cat.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
  On Error Resume Next
  Set tbl = cat.Tables("schednew")
  If Err.Number = 0 Then
    tbl.Name = "schedold"
  End If
  
  Set tbl = Nothing
  Set cat = Nothing

End Function

For copying you could use the code from Drew to read the table schema and create a copy.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 16:34:05 >>>
To all,
Gustav helped me a little bit earlier (thanks a lot Gustav) in detecting if a table exists and deleting it if it does.  But I can't seem to find anything on copying and renaming tables using ADO, if anyone has any sample code or could point me in the right direction I would be grateful.
Thank you for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland




From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 21 10:15:06 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:15:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database Using	ADO
Message-ID: <7901638.1145632506273.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101>

Thanks yet again gustav but I used this method instead, can't believe I couldn't remember this (having a Friday moment today I think):
DoCmd.CopyObject , "schednew" & "_" & Format(Now(), "DDMMYYYY") & "_" & Format(Time(), "HHMMSS"), acTable, "schednew"
Makes a copy with a new name.
Thanks again.
Paul Hartland





Message Received: Apr 21 2006, 04:04 PM
From: "Gustav Brock" 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database Using ADO

Hi Paul 

Rename is quite easy:

Function RenameTable()

Dim cat As New ADOX.Catalog
Dim tbl As ADOX.Table

cat.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
On Error Resume Next
Set tbl = cat.Tables("schednew")
If Err.Number = 0 Then
tbl.Name = "schedold"
End If

Set tbl = Nothing
Set cat = Nothing

End Function

For copying you could use the code from Drew to read the table schema and create a copy.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 16:34:05 >>>
To all,
Gustav helped me a little bit earlier (thanks a lot Gustav) in detecting if a table exists and deleting it if it does. But I can't seem to find anything on copying and renaming tables using ADO, if anyone has any sample code or could point me in the right direction I would be grateful.
Thank you for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 21 10:30:29 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:30:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database	Using	ADO
Message-ID: <s44916db.093@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Of course, so simple, no ADO needed. 
It must be Friday here as well ... time for some coffee.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 17:15:06 >>>
Thanks yet again gustav but I used this method instead, can't believe I couldn't remember this (having a Friday moment today I think):
DoCmd.CopyObject , "schednew" & "_" & Format(Now(), "DDMMYYYY") & "_" & Format(Time(), "HHMMSS"), acTable, "schednew"
Makes a copy with a new name.
Thanks again.
Paul Hartland




From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 21 10:44:53 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:44:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Print Button
In-Reply-To: <s44916db.093@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F2515C9137AB80C7486B58FD2BB0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I need a button on a custom tool bar that opens the print dialogue instead 
of printing to the default printer.  Each time I try to add it using the 
customize option the result is a button that prints...no option to choose 
printer.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Fri Apr 21 11:12:55 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:12:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Button
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C72A@dewey.Symphony.local>

Mark,

We have a Reports toolbar, which is attached to each report, so shows
when the report is previewed.  From a 'Print Options' button on that
toolbar, we call this function:

		Public Function PrintCurrentReportWithOptions()
		'Opens the print options dialog box for current report.
		'Called by toolbar on all reports.
		On Error GoTo eh
		    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
		ex:
		    Exit Function
		eh:
		    If Err.Number = 2501 Then
		        'Ignore if user just cancelled the print job.
		    Else
		        MsgBox Err.Description
		    End If
		    GoTo ex
		End Function


Not extremely high tech, but very serviceable. 


Thanks,

Liz 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Print Button

Hello All,

I need a button on a custom tool bar that opens the print dialogue
instead of printing to the default printer.  Each time I try to add it
using the customize option the result is a button that prints...no
option to choose printer.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 21 12:58:04 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:58:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Print Button
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C72A@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F16C561551A4DB7F49B1649D2BB0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Liz,

What I also found was that if I created a custom toolbar...and just moved 
the print option from the File menu...then reset the file menu...and allowed 
menus in the startup...this worked...but I don't understand why I can't 
choose this type of 'print' buttom from the customize wizard?

Thanks again,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "Liz Doering" <ldoering at symphonyinfo.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Print Button
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:12:55 -0500
>
>Mark,
>
>We have a Reports toolbar, which is attached to each report, so shows
>when the report is previewed.  From a 'Print Options' button on that
>toolbar, we call this function:
>
>		Public Function PrintCurrentReportWithOptions()
>		'Opens the print options dialog box for current report.
>		'Called by toolbar on all reports.
>		On Error GoTo eh
>		    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
>		ex:
>		    Exit Function
>		eh:
>		    If Err.Number = 2501 Then
>		        'Ignore if user just cancelled the print job.
>		    Else
>		        MsgBox Err.Description
>		    End If
>		    GoTo ex
>		End Function
>
>
>Not extremely high tech, but very serviceable.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Liz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:01 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Print Button
>
>Hello All,
>
>I need a button on a custom tool bar that opens the print dialogue
>instead of printing to the default printer.  Each time I try to add it
>using the customize option the result is a button that prints...no
>option to choose printer.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Apr 21 13:04:14 2006
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:04:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Utility
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C03FC498B@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Barb,
I use the FMS Total Access Analyzer http://www.fmsinc.com/products/analyzer/index.html

It's around $300.

There's also a free trial version.

HTH

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:34 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Access Utility

Can anyone recommend a good, "all-around" utility for Access XP databases for under a couple hundred bucks?  One that provides basic statistics about the database (e.g., number of objects) as well as features that compare objects between databases (also comparing code) as well as other helpful nifty tools?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 21 14:26:50 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
References: <s44771e0.039@cactus.dk> <001a01c66466$438a3290$6601a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <444931FA.7060001@shaw.ca>

Since you are looking for code snippets here are some hints to insert 
and  find them
using the Tab key and Code Snippet Picker in Vb.Net

Here is a short excerpt of an article taken from a freebie newsletter I 
got today from
http://www.sqlmag.com
The actual url for this article won't be up for two weeks.
You might want to look at his past articles.

1. ==== Developer .NET Perspectives ====
   by Bill Sheldon, bills at interknowlogy.com

Write Code Without Having to Type It
   A lot of the code that developers write follows common patterns. For
example, when you create a new property, you follow four steps:
   1. Declare a private variable.
   2. Declare the public property with a public name of the same type.
   3. Declare the Set logic, which sets the private variable to the 
parameter
value.
   4. Declare the Get logic, which returns the private variable's value.

   These four steps are common to every property you want to place in a
class. Manually typing all that information is not only repetitive but also
time consuming and error prone (mainly typing errors).
   Visual Studio 2005 lets you avoid all that hassle. Its new code snippet
feature lets you include code without typing it. For example, to include 
code
that creates a property, you simply type "prop" if you're using Visual 
C# or
"property" if you're using Visual Basic (VB) 2005, then press the Tab 
key. In
your source code, you'll find a template that includes all the generic code
you would normally type. The sections that you need to edit in your new
property declaration (e.g., variable name, property name, type) are all
highlighted. After you edit the contents of a highlighted section, you 
press
the Tab key to go to the next section. The changes are reflected across the
entire declaration for consistency. This constitutes an important 
difference
between using this feature and uploading stock code. With this feature,
you're literally pulling in a code template with active tags that 
specify the
initial customizable properties in that template.
   Most all the keywords in VB 2005 or Visual C# have been associated 
with a
code snippet. Can't remember the exact syntax of the For loop? No worries.
Type "For", press the Tab key, and--poof--the necessary code appears. Can't
remember the keyword you need to use? No problem. Right-click somewhere in
your edit window and select Insert Snippet. Visual Studio 2005 first 
inserts
a placeholder in the location where you want to include a snippet, then
provides a list of snippet categories in the Code Snippet Picker.
   Visual Studio 2005's code snippet feature goes well beyond just 
providing
templates for common language elements. Templates are also provided for
common tasks, such as pinging a remote computer or connecting to a 
database.
In addition, a template contains more than just source code. The template
also includes additional information, such as the snippet's author, the
namespaces that need to be imported (if applicable), a display title,
keywords the user needs to edit, and which keyword should be edited first.
For general information about code snippets, you can check out the 
Visual C#
help files at http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C2F:7E311 .
   The good news is that Visual Studio 2005 shipped with hundreds of code
snippets. The bad news is that the snippets are, as you might expect,
language specific and therefore not interchangeable. For example, some 
of the
VB 2005 snippets leverage the "My" namespace, which doesn't exist in Visual
C#.
   The code snippets have their own schema, which is documented at
http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C34:7E311 . As a result,
you can create your own custom snippets. Step by step instructions for 
doing
so are available at http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C35:7E311 .
   Snippet files are XML files. So, to create snippets, you must edit an 
XML
file, which isn't much fun. Fortunately, if you use VB 2005, there's a GUI
called the Visual Basic Snippet Editor that you can use. This free 
editor is
currently in the release candidate (RC) stage. For more information, visit
the Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) Web page at
http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C28:7E311 . Or for the
most recent version, bypass MSDN and look in the GotDotNet Workspace at
http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C20:7E311 .

Kath Pelletti wrote:

>I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me. I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back! I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge learning curve.
>
>Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4 hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns (and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult until I learn it all again. Sigh....
>
>Thanks Gustav
>Kath
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Gustav Brock 
>  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
>
>
>  Hi Kath
>
>  Follow the link to International Customers:
>
>  http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&category%5Fname=ALLDemo
>
>  It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.
>
>  /gustav
>
>  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
>  Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
>  Kath
>
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>    From: Gustav Brock 
>    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
>    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
>
>
>    Hi Kath
>
>    Just noticed this, though not a book:
>
>      http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 
>
>    I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.
>
>    /gustav
>
>    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
>    (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
>    I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....
>
>    But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
>
>    (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)
>
>    (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
>    ______________________________________
>    Kath Pelletti
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 21 14:37:19 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:37:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
Message-ID: <001001c6657b$02163370$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

Has anyone ever gotten this?

I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!

I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.

Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
hell that MS is subjecting me to?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 21 14:49:18 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <001001c6657b$02163370$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <001701c6657c$ae693b80$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

Never mind.  There is something about pressing the send key that magically
makes workarounds work.  Actually it appears that I had to hold down the
shift key as I was opening the aforementioned database to do this stuff.  It
MAY have something to do with the fact that when I do that I am not looking
at my framework code when I perform this "unlocking" rigamerole hooey. 

At any rate, I have my code back and will NOT attempt to sign my databases
anymore, as it appears to hose them if signed in 2003 and opened in XP?  Or
not.  Who can really say what causes anything anymore?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Has anyone ever gotten this?

I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!

I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.

Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
hell that MS is subjecting me to?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Apr 21 15:00:45 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:00:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBCD@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Don't feel like the lone ranger. At the Vegas development conference last
week the Microsoft speakers all but conceded that no one seems to have
figured out or use digital sigs. :-(
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable


Never mind.  There is something about pressing the send key that magically
makes workarounds work.  Actually it appears that I had to hold down the
shift key as I was opening the aforementioned database to do this stuff.  It
MAY have something to do with the fact that when I do that I am not looking
at my framework code when I perform this "unlocking" rigamerole hooey. 

At any rate, I have my code back and will NOT attempt to sign my databases
anymore, as it appears to hose them if signed in 2003 and opened in XP?  Or
not.  Who can really say what causes anything anymore?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Has anyone ever gotten this?

I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!

I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.

Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
hell that MS is subjecting me to?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 21 15:22:39 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:22:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
References: <001701c6657c$ae693b80$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <44493F0F.3090500@shaw.ca>

It is not worth the hassle of self-signing certificates as there are 
authority and permission problems
installing them properly into the digital signature cache under Win XP 
with any another user.
Network Admins will hunt you down with pitchforks and burning torches.
You should use the internet authority verifiable certificates from 
Veritas or Thwaite etc.
Of course then you have to pay, get a DUNS number etc.
I don't even know if SageKey handles their installation.

I got self certs to work a couple of years ago with makecert  with a lot 
of fiddling
but I think there have been OS security changes since then.



John Colby wrote:

>Never mind.  There is something about pressing the send key that magically
>makes workarounds work.  Actually it appears that I had to hold down the
>shift key as I was opening the aforementioned database to do this stuff.  It
>MAY have something to do with the fact that when I do that I am not looking
>at my framework code when I perform this "unlocking" rigamerole hooey. 
>
>At any rate, I have my code back and will NOT attempt to sign my databases
>anymore, as it appears to hose them if signed in 2003 and opened in XP?  Or
>not.  Who can really say what causes anything anymore?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:37 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
>Has anyone ever gotten this?
>
>I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
>questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
>process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
>sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
>NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>
>I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
>this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.
>
>Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
>hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Apr 21 16:07:24 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:07:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] report on Access Devcon Las Vegas
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBCE@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I thought I would report to the group some of my impressions on the future
of Access as presented at the "Advisor Summit" in Vegas this past week.
First, I am very encouraged by the fact Microsoft appears to be pouring
substantial resources into Access so the rumors of Access's demise are
greatly exaggerated. Having said that, my strong impression is that they are
strengthening the product for power/personal users as opposed to developers.
For example, they emphasized several times the experience of first opening
Access will provide a much richer interface with a lot of sample databases
to entice the new user to take the plunge. They contrasted this with the
current environment which isn't exactly intuitive when  opened for the first
time. 

The item that drew the most groans of disbelief from developers was
Microsoft's promotion and re-emphasis on macros (of all things!). In fact,
the new sample databases will be written to use macros! While MS claims the
macros have been strengthened, the confusing old halt message dialogue
popped up when a macro they were running during the presentation ran into
trouble (sigh). Apparently the real issue is that macros can run safely in
sandbox mode whereas VBA will still be subject to the same old security
risks. Consequently new installs of Access will have VBA security set to
high similar (I think) to the security screen Excel currently shows.  While
I am hazy on all the particulars and the exact ramifications of this, I
have little doubt this will make developer's lives more complicated. This
strikes me as an exercise in CYA for MS. 

I specifically asked if VBA was dead and the answer was definitely not, in
fact (according to the MS guys) the object models were being improved,
enhanced, etc. although I can't recall any specifics. ADPs, however, appear
to have no future and  I was encouraged not to start any new projects using
them. Also interesting was the fact that the infamous Northwind is being
rewritten. Apparently the debate within Microsoft is how complicated the VBA
code should be since this is basically an example DB for newbies. My strong
opinion to them was that the code should be up to the highest standards.
This means using classes, function calls, error checking, naming
conventions, etc. IMHO when  newbies first venture into VBA they often take
Microsoft's examples as gospel. (I have to admit I did when I first started)
so Northwind should not be written by some summer intern. Especially since
users will be using macros much more, when they are ready to venture into
the world of VBA they should be exposed to the best coding practices.
Anyway, if you have a strong opinion about what Northwind should look like I
can give you the email of the program manager who is trying to figure out
what to do. 

Anyway, it was a worthwhile conference although the slots didn't cut me any
slack. Apparently the money you take to Vegas stays in Vegas.

Jim Hale

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Apr 21 18:17:19 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:17:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <001001c6657b$02163370$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
References: <001001c6657b$02163370$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <444967FF.6020502@san.rr.com>

John:

I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But 
you may not want to do that.

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>
> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
> questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
> process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
> sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
> NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>
> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
> this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.
>
> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
> hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 21 20:17:47 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:17:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <444967FF.6020502@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001401c665aa$92d4c0a0$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

I tried that and it flat did not work.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

John:

I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But you
may not want to do that.

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>
> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer 
> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access 
> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied it 
> to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the 
> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>
> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly 
> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work
around it.
>
> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific 
> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>   

--
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858-259-4334
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 22 01:44:22 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:44:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
Message-ID: <s449ecf0.000@cactus.dk>

Hi John

We have a thread from Feb. 2005 on this:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2005-February/031704.html 

Visit CAcert to obtain these free certificates:

http://www.cacert.org/

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 21-04-2006 22:22 >>>
You should use the internet authority verifiable certificates from 
Veritas or Thwaite etc.
Of course then you have to pay, get a DUNS number etc.




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Apr 22 05:58:38 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:58:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] report on Access Devcon Las Vegas
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBCE@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27821A4@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Jim
 
More or less agree. All the demo apps that come with Access 2007 are designed with SharePoint in mind. SharePoint is the real focus of Office 2007 in a BIG way.
 
Lots of argument on the beta lists over this and the push for users. This version is geared to teh "office" user as you say the power user who needs to know nothing about database design at all. Major argument now about multi value fields and attachment datatypes.
 
As you have said there are no VBA anything in the new templates everything is macro driven again to make it easy for new users.
 
I would not write ADPs of yet. You can still use them in Access 2007 BUT the default is linked tables. I am waiting on an email from them re ADPS and SQL Server 2005 - they aint dead but how much we can use them will have to wait and see. TNis is one of the major things I post about on the beta lists.
 
If someone arranges it I am happy to post a lot of stuff on Office client apps including Access on teh DBA web site. I cannot yet post on the server applications as they are still under NDA
 
Martin
 
 
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Apr 22 09:55:55 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:55:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <001401c665aa$92d4c0a0$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
References: <001401c665aa$92d4c0a0$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <444A43FB.4020007@san.rr.com>

Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about 
unsafe expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, 
right?)?  Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you 
create a fresh db.  Does it happen to that one as well?

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> John:
>
> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But you
> may not want to do that.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>   
>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>
>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer 
>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access 
>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied it 
>> to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the 
>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>
>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly 
>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work
>>     
> around it.
>   
>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific 
>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sat Apr 22 11:58:48 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:58:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <444A43FB.4020007@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003301c6662e$070e1510$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

N0, I couldn't set it to low.  There is no "Security" choice under Tools /
macro.

PITA really!


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about unsafe
expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, right?)?
Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you create a fresh db.
Does it happen to that one as well?

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> John:
>
> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But 
> you may not want to do that.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>   
>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>
>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer 
>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access 
>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied 
>> it to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the 
>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>
>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly
>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't 
>> work
>>     
> around it.
>   
>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific 
>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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>
>   

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From bill_Patten at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 22 12:19:00 2006
From: bill_Patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:19:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
References: <003301c6662e$070e1510$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <001401c66630$d8ff4830$6501a8c0@BPCS>

Hi John,

Check out KB 833219 for how to put the security button back.

Bill

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=833219


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable


N0, I couldn't set it to low.  There is no "Security" choice under Tools /
macro.

PITA really!


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about unsafe
expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, right?)?
Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you create a fresh db.
Does it happen to that one as well?

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> John:
>
> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But
> you may not want to do that.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>
>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer
>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access
>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied
>> it to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the
>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>
>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly
>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't
>> work
>>
> around it.
>
>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific
>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Apr 22 13:00:50 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:00:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <003301c6662e$070e1510$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
References: <003301c6662e$070e1510$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <444A6F52.5090609@san.rr.com>

I had that problem as well.  Can't remember how I got around it.  Do you 
have Jet 4.0 SP8 installed?

http://office.microsoft.com/en-au/assistance/HA011225981033.aspx#180

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> N0, I couldn't set it to low.  There is no "Security" choice under Tools /
> macro.
>
> PITA really!
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about unsafe
> expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, right?)?
> Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you create a fresh db.
> Does it happen to that one as well?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>   
>> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin - Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>>
>> John:
>>
>> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But 
>> you may not want to do that.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> John Colby wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>>
>>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer 
>>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access 
>>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied 
>>> it to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the 
>>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>>
>>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly
>>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't 
>>> work
>>>     
>>>       
>> around it.
>>   
>>     
>>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific 
>>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> --
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>   
>>     
>
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> www.e-z-mrp.com
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sat Apr 22 13:28:54 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:28:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <001401c66630$d8ff4830$6501a8c0@BPCS>
Message-ID: <004001c6663a$9d948350$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

Well, that worked.  Thanks. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 1:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Hi John,

Check out KB 833219 for how to put the security button back.

Bill

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=833219


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable


N0, I couldn't set it to low.  There is no "Security" choice under Tools /
macro.

PITA really!


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about unsafe
expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, right?)?
Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you create a fresh db.
Does it happen to that one as well?

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> John:
>
> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But
> you may not want to do that.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>
>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer
>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access
>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied
>> it to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the
>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>
>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly
>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't
>> work
>>
> around it.
>
>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific
>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Apr 23 08:28:28 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:28:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
Message-ID: <000b01c666d9$d0da1f50$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 23 09:29:20 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:29:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
Message-ID: <s44bab74.006@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?
This test shows that the returned value is a simple sequential numeric value which, however, provides faulty date values when these are negative.

Put in the debug window this line and press enter to obtain the output:

For i = 8 To -8 Step -1 : d = TimeSerialReal(0, 360 * i, 0) : ? CDbl(d), Format(d, "yyyymmdd hhnn") : Next
 2            19000101 0000
 1,75         18991231 1800
 1,5          18991231 1200
 1,25         18991231 0600
 1            18991231 0000

 0,75         18991230 1800
 0,5          18991230 1200
 0,25         18991230 0600
 0            18991230 0000
-0,25         18991230 0600
-0,5          18991230 1200
-0,75         18991230 1800

-1            18991229 0000
-1,25         18991229 0600
-1,5          18991229 1200
-1,75         18991229 1800
-2            18991228 0000

Two major traps are exposed here. 
First, date values between 0 and -1 (excluding) are invalid as they are already represented by their respective absolute equivalents. The positive values are the true values which can be demonstrated this way:

? CDbl(#1899-12-30 18:00#)
 0,75 

The consequence is serious a this results in a gap in the sequence of one day.
Second, the sequence of the decimal part of the date/time value must be reversed to adhere to the falling sequence.
Thus the sequence should read:
 2            19000101 0000
 1,75         18991231 1800
 1,5          18991231 1200
 1,25         18991231 0600
 1            18991231 0000

 0,75         18991230 1800
 0,5          18991230 1200
 0,25         18991230 0600
 0            18991230 0000

-1,75         18991229 1800
-1,5          18991229 1200
-1,25         18991229 0600
-1            18991229 0000

-2,75         18991228 1800
-2,5          18991228 1200
-2,25         18991228 0600
-2            18991228 0000

You may argue that you never use dates beyond 1900, but you will if you do operations on time values which may move backwards passing Midnight.
I don't know if this bug has survived until Access 12/2007. Perhaps a beta tester could confirm this?

A similar bug is present in DateAdd until Access 97. In Access 2000 it was corrected, which leads to a simple substitute for TimeSerial for Access 2000 an upwards:

Public Function TimeSerialReal( _
  ByVal intHour As Integer, _
  ByVal intMinute As Integer, _
  ByVal intSecond As Integer) _
  As Date
  
' Returns correct numeric negative date values,
' which TimeSerial() does not.
' This applies to Access 2003 and below.
' Not known if needed for Access 12/2007 as well.
' Requires Access 2000 or newer.
'
' 2006-04-23. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim datTime As Date
  
  datTime = _
    DateAdd("h", intHour, _
    DateAdd("n", intMinute, _
    DateAdd("s", intSecond, #12:00:00 AM#)))
    
  TimeSerialReal = datTime
  
End Function

For Access 97 and all newer versions you can manipulate the output from TimeSerial with this function:

Public Function TimeSerialFull( _
  ByVal intHour As Integer, _
  ByVal intMinute As Integer, _
  ByVal intSecond As Integer) _
  As Date
  
  Dim datTime As Date
  Dim dblDate As Double
  Dim dblTime As Double
  
' Returns correct numeric negative date values,
' which TimeSerial() does not.
' This applies to Access 2003 and below.
' Not known if needed for Access 12/2007 as well.
'
' 2006-04-23. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
' Example sequence:
'   Numeric      Date     Time
'   2            19000101 0000
'   1.75         18991231 1800
'   1.5          18991231 1200
'   1.25         18991231 0600
'   1            18991231 0000
'   0.75         18991230 1800
'   0.5          18991230 1200
'   0.25         18991230 0600
'   0            18991230 0000
'  -1.75         18991229 1800
'  -1.5          18991229 1200
'  -1.25         18991229 0600
'  -1            18991229 0000
'  -2.75         18991228 1800
'  -2.5          18991228 1200
'  -2.25         18991228 0600
'  -2            18991228 0000

  datTime = TimeSerial(intHour, intMinute, intSecond)
  If datTime < 0 Then
    ' Get date (integer) part of datTime shifted one day
    ' if a time part is present as Int() rounds down.
    dblDate = Int(datTime)
    ' Retrieve and reverse time (decimal) part.
    dblTime = dblDate - datTime
    ' Assemble and convert date and time part.
    datTime = CVDate(dblDate + dblTime)
  End If
    
  TimeSerialFull = datTime

End Function

/gustav


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 23 13:28:33 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:28:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
References: <s44bab74.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <444BC751.9090401@shaw.ca>

I thought this was by design. How else do you get Shakespeare's birthday?
?CVDate(-122607)

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?
>This test shows that the returned value is a simple sequential numeric value which, however, provides faulty date values when these are negative.
>
>Put in the debug window this line and press enter to obtain the output:
>
>For i = 8 To -8 Step -1 : d = TimeSerialReal(0, 360 * i, 0) : ? CDbl(d), Format(d, "yyyymmdd hhnn") : Next
> 2            19000101 0000
> 1,75         18991231 1800
> 1,5          18991231 1200
> 1,25         18991231 0600
> 1            18991231 0000
>
> 0,75         18991230 1800
> 0,5          18991230 1200
> 0,25         18991230 0600
> 0            18991230 0000
>-0,25         18991230 0600
>-0,5          18991230 1200
>-0,75         18991230 1800
>
>-1            18991229 0000
>-1,25         18991229 0600
>-1,5          18991229 1200
>-1,75         18991229 1800
>-2            18991228 0000
>
>Two major traps are exposed here. 
>First, date values between 0 and -1 (excluding) are invalid as they are already represented by their respective absolute equivalents. The positive values are the true values which can be demonstrated this way:
>
>? CDbl(#1899-12-30 18:00#)
> 0,75 
>
>The consequence is serious a this results in a gap in the sequence of one day.
>Second, the sequence of the decimal part of the date/time value must be reversed to adhere to the falling sequence.
>Thus the sequence should read:
> 2            19000101 0000
> 1,75         18991231 1800
> 1,5          18991231 1200
> 1,25         18991231 0600
> 1            18991231 0000
>
> 0,75         18991230 1800
> 0,5          18991230 1200
> 0,25         18991230 0600
> 0            18991230 0000
>
>-1,75         18991229 1800
>-1,5          18991229 1200
>-1,25         18991229 0600
>-1            18991229 0000
>
>-2,75         18991228 1800
>-2,5          18991228 1200
>-2,25         18991228 0600
>-2            18991228 0000
>
>You may argue that you never use dates beyond 1900, but you will if you do operations on time values which may move backwards passing Midnight.
>I don't know if this bug has survived until Access 12/2007. Perhaps a beta tester could confirm this?
>
>A similar bug is present in DateAdd until Access 97. In Access 2000 it was corrected, which leads to a simple substitute for TimeSerial for Access 2000 an upwards:
>
>Public Function TimeSerialReal( _
>  ByVal intHour As Integer, _
>  ByVal intMinute As Integer, _
>  ByVal intSecond As Integer) _
>  As Date
>  
>' Returns correct numeric negative date values,
>' which TimeSerial() does not.
>' This applies to Access 2003 and below.
>' Not known if needed for Access 12/2007 as well.
>' Requires Access 2000 or newer.
>'
>' 2006-04-23. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>
>  Dim datTime As Date
>  
>  datTime = _
>    DateAdd("h", intHour, _
>    DateAdd("n", intMinute, _
>    DateAdd("s", intSecond, #12:00:00 AM#)))
>    
>  TimeSerialReal = datTime
>  
>End Function
>
>For Access 97 and all newer versions you can manipulate the output from TimeSerial with this function:
>
>Public Function TimeSerialFull( _
>  ByVal intHour As Integer, _
>  ByVal intMinute As Integer, _
>  ByVal intSecond As Integer) _
>  As Date
>  
>  Dim datTime As Date
>  Dim dblDate As Double
>  Dim dblTime As Double
>  
>' Returns correct numeric negative date values,
>' which TimeSerial() does not.
>' This applies to Access 2003 and below.
>' Not known if needed for Access 12/2007 as well.
>'
>' 2006-04-23. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>'
>' Example sequence:
>'   Numeric      Date     Time
>'   2            19000101 0000
>'   1.75         18991231 1800
>'   1.5          18991231 1200
>'   1.25         18991231 0600
>'   1            18991231 0000
>'   0.75         18991230 1800
>'   0.5          18991230 1200
>'   0.25         18991230 0600
>'   0            18991230 0000
>'  -1.75         18991229 1800
>'  -1.5          18991229 1200
>'  -1.25         18991229 0600
>'  -1            18991229 0000
>'  -2.75         18991228 1800
>'  -2.5          18991228 1200
>'  -2.25         18991228 0600
>'  -2            18991228 0000
>
>  datTime = TimeSerial(intHour, intMinute, intSecond)
>  If datTime < 0 Then
>    ' Get date (integer) part of datTime shifted one day
>    ' if a time part is present as Int() rounds down.
>    dblDate = Int(datTime)
>    ' Retrieve and reverse time (decimal) part.
>    dblTime = dblDate - datTime
>    ' Assemble and convert date and time part.
>    datTime = CVDate(dblDate + dblTime)
>  End If
>    
>  TimeSerialFull = datTime
>
>End Function
>
>/gustav
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 23 13:37:35 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:37:35 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424062852.01a3dc90@dalyn.co.nz>

In Access it is possible to refer to objects by concatenating 
strings.  For example, to refer to 3 text boxes on a report you could write:

             For intX = 1 To 3
                 Me("txtCol" + Format(intX)) = "Column No:" & intX
             Next intX

I am wanting to do a similar thing in a page in Visual Web Developer 
Express.  I have three labels called lblYrEndStart1, lblYrEndStart2, 
and lblYrEndStart3.  Any ideas how I can write a similar loop as above


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 23 13:41:35 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:41:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
Message-ID: <s44be697.011@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

No problem with CVDate(). In fact, I use CVDate in the TimeSerialFull() function. It's the native TimeSerial() that's buggy.
By the way, the code line to obtain the buggy output is:

For i = 8 To -8 Step -1 : d = TimeSerial(0, 360 * i, 0) : ? CDbl(d), Format(d, "yyyymmdd hhnn") : Next

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 23-04-2006 20:28:33 >>>
I thought this was by design. How else do you get Shakespeare's birthday?
?CVDate(-122607)

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?
>This test shows that the returned value is a simple sequential numeric value which, however, provides faulty date values when these are negative.
>
>Put in the debug window this line and press enter to obtain the output:
>
>For i = 8 To -8 Step -1 : d = TimeSerialReal(0, 360 * i, 0) : ? CDbl(d), Format(d, "yyyymmdd hhnn") : Next




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 23 15:59:09 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:59:09 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424080437.01a39660@dalyn.co.nz>

I have found a partial solution:

         Dim myControl1 As Control, myInt As Integer, lblLoop As Label
         For myInt = 1 To 3
             myControl1 = Page.FindControl("lblYrEnd" & myInt)
             If (Not myControl1 Is Nothing) Then
                 lblLoop = CType(myControl1, Label)
                 lblLoop.Text = "Label No: " & myInt
             End If
         Next myInt

This appends the value of myInt to the value entered into TextBox2 
and puts the result into the lblYrEnd label with the last character 
equal to myInt.

I can get this to work in a plain aspx page.  However, the page I 
want to use it on has a Master page and content control.  When I run 
the same code the "myControl1 = Page.FindControl("lbltemp" & myInt)" 
line doesn't find the control.  My guess is that it is because it is 
hidden down the control hierarchy but I am having trouble with VB.Net 
help finding how to reference them.  Can anyone help?

The code for the objects is:

<%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile="~/MasterPage.master" 
AutoEventWireup="false" CodeFile="pgeSingleItemResult.aspx.vb" 
Inherits="pgeSingleItemResult" title="Untitled Page" %>
<asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHolderID="ContentPlaceHolder1" 
Runat="Server">
     <table style="z-index: 100; left: 237px; width: 713px; position: 
absolute; top: 217px; vertical-align: top; font-family: arial; 
border-collapse: separate; text-align: center; border-right: black 
1px solid; border-top: black 1px solid; border-left: black 1px solid; 
border-bottom: black 1px solid;" cellspacing="0" id="tblItemResult">
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px; height: 20px;" 
bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd1" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd2" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd3" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd4" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd5" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
     </table>
</asp:Content>


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand  

From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 23 16:20:17 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:20:17 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424091929.01bad030@dalyn.co.nz>

If anyone wants a small vb.Net project sample to see if they can find 
out why it is not working I can send it to them.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand  



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 23 16:25:18 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:25:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
In-Reply-To: <s44bab74.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <444C7D5E.13286.282B3E02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 23 Apr 2006 at 16:29, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong
> date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?

Not wrong values, just values that you are not expecting. It's not a bug, 
it's a feature and it is in fact a feature of all calendars, it's not a 
microsoft thing. 

<quote>
Date variables are stored as IEEE 64-bit (8-byte) floating-point numbers 
that represent dates ranging from 1 January 100 to 31 December 9999 and 
times from 0:00:00 to 23:59:59.
...
Negative whole numbers represent dates before 30 December 1899.
</quote>

You are storing two separate things here, a date and a time - not an offset 
from a zero point.

So:
1.25 represent 6:00am on Day 1
-1.25 represents 6:00am on Day -1
0.25 is meaningless. There is no Day 0.

That is what happens in any calendar system. Think of it using our calendar 
with years as the integer part rather than days.

1 Jan 0001 AD = (Year 1) + 1/365 years
The previous day is:
 31 Dec 0001 BC = (Year -1) + 364/365 days

Key points are:
1. There is no such thing as "0" for the integer part ie  no such as "1 Jan 
0000" or "31 Dec 0000". Using the microsoft representation, there is no 
such thing as "Day 0"  or times within such a day.

2. Fractional parts are always positive, they indicate the amount of the 
specified unit (year or day) that has elapsed.

  


-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 23 16:53:46 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:53:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
In-Reply-To: <444C7D5E.13286.282B3E02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <s44bab74.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <444C840A.16623.28454CC9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Apr 2006 at 7:25, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2006 at 16:29, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong
> > date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?
> 
> Not wrong values, just values that you are not expecting. It's not a bug,
> it's a feature and it is in fact a feature of all calendars, it's not a
> microsoft thing. 
> 

I should have also said:
The date part of the value returned by Timeserial is unspecified. You 
should not rely on it:

<quote>
TimeSerial Returns a Variant (Date) containing the time for a specific 
hour, minute, and second.
</quote>

-- 
Stuart




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 23 17:05:05 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:05:05 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424100446.00f50e68@dalyn.co.nz>

Finally found it:

         Dim myControl1 As Control, lblLoop As Label, myInt As Integer
         Dim cntContent As ContentPlaceHolder
         cntContent = 
CType(Master.FindControl("ContentPlaceHolder1"), 
ContentPlaceHolder)  <-- this was the solution
         If (Not cntContent Is Nothing) Then
             For myInt = 1 To 3
                 myControl1 = cntContent.FindControl("lbltemp" & myInt)
                 If (Not myControl1 Is Nothing) Then
                     lblLoop = CType(myControl1, Label)
                     lblLoop.Text = TextBox1.Text & myInt
                 Else
                     lblLoop.Text = "Label not found"
                 End If
             Next myInt
         Else
             lblLoop.Text = "Content not found"
         End If


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand  

From kp at sdsonline.net  Sun Apr 23 18:20:53 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:20:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
References: <s44771e0.039@cactus.dk> <001a01c66466$438a3290$6601a8c0@office>
	<444931FA.7060001@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000d01c6672c$91b63fe0$6601a8c0@office>

Wow - I am still absorbing all that Marty - I normally wouldn't hit tab so I guess I haven't hit on that feature. It looks great. 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Since you are looking for code snippets here are some hints to insert 
  and  find them
  using the Tab key and Code Snippet Picker in Vb.Net

  Here is a short excerpt of an article taken from a freebie newsletter I 
  got today from
  http://www.sqlmag.com
  The actual url for this article won't be up for two weeks.
  You might want to look at his past articles.

  1. ==== Developer .NET Perspectives ====
     by Bill Sheldon, bills at interknowlogy.com

  Write Code Without Having to Type It
     A lot of the code that developers write follows common patterns. For
  example, when you create a new property, you follow four steps:
     1. Declare a private variable.
     2. Declare the public property with a public name of the same type.
     3. Declare the Set logic, which sets the private variable to the 
  parameter
  value.
     4. Declare the Get logic, which returns the private variable's value.

     These four steps are common to every property you want to place in a
  class. Manually typing all that information is not only repetitive but also
  time consuming and error prone (mainly typing errors).
     Visual Studio 2005 lets you avoid all that hassle. Its new code snippet
  feature lets you include code without typing it. For example, to include 
  code
  that creates a property, you simply type "prop" if you're using Visual 
  C# or
  "property" if you're using Visual Basic (VB) 2005, then press the Tab 
  key. In
  your source code, you'll find a template that includes all the generic code
  you would normally type. The sections that you need to edit in your new
  property declaration (e.g., variable name, property name, type) are all
  highlighted. After you edit the contents of a highlighted section, you 
  press
  the Tab key to go to the next section. The changes are reflected across the
  entire declaration for consistency. This constitutes an important 
  difference
  between using this feature and uploading stock code. With this feature,
  you're literally pulling in a code template with active tags that 
  specify the
  initial customizable properties in that template.
     Most all the keywords in VB 2005 or Visual C# have been associated 
  with a
  code snippet. Can't remember the exact syntax of the For loop? No worries.
  Type "For", press the Tab key, and--poof--the necessary code appears. Can't
  remember the keyword you need to use? No problem. Right-click somewhere in
  your edit window and select Insert Snippet. Visual Studio 2005 first 
  inserts
  a placeholder in the location where you want to include a snippet, then
  provides a list of snippet categories in the Code Snippet Picker.
     Visual Studio 2005's code snippet feature goes well beyond just 
  providing
  templates for common language elements. Templates are also provided for
  common tasks, such as pinging a remote computer or connecting to a 
  database.
  In addition, a template contains more than just source code. The template
  also includes additional information, such as the snippet's author, the
  namespaces that need to be imported (if applicable), a display title,
  keywords the user needs to edit, and which keyword should be edited first.
  For general information about code snippets, you can check out the 
  Visual C#
  help files at http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C2F:7E311 .
     The good news is that Visual Studio 2005 shipped with hundreds of code
  snippets. The bad news is that the snippets are, as you might expect,
  language specific and therefore not interchangeable. For example, some 
  of the
  VB 2005 snippets leverage the "My" namespace, which doesn't exist in Visual
  C#.
     The code snippets have their own schema, which is documented at
  http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C34:7E311 . As a result,
  you can create your own custom snippets. Step by step instructions for 
  doing
  so are available at http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C35:7E311 .
     Snippet files are XML files. So, to create snippets, you must edit an 
  XML
  file, which isn't much fun. Fortunately, if you use VB 2005, there's a GUI
  called the Visual Basic Snippet Editor that you can use. This free 
  editor is
  currently in the release candidate (RC) stage. For more information, visit
  the Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) Web page at
  http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C28:7E311 . Or for the
  most recent version, bypass MSDN and look in the GotDotNet Workspace at
  http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C20:7E311 .

  Kath Pelletti wrote:

  >I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me. I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back! I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge learning curve.
  >
  >Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4 hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns (and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult until I learn it all again. Sigh....
  >
  >Thanks Gustav
  >Kath
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Gustav Brock 
  >  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  >  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
  >
  >
  >  Hi Kath
  >
  >  Follow the link to International Customers:
  >
  >  http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&category%5Fname=ALLDemo
  >
  >  It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.
  >
  >  /gustav
  >
  >  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
  >  Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
  >  Kath
  >
  >    ----- Original Message ----- 
  >    From: Gustav Brock 
  >    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  >    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
  >    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
  >
  >
  >    Hi Kath
  >
  >    Just noticed this, though not a book:
  >
  >      http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 
  >
  >    I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.
  >
  >    /gustav
  >
  >    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
  >    (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
  >
  >    I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....
  >
  >    But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
  >
  >    (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)
  >
  >    (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
  >
  >    ______________________________________
  >    Kath Pelletti
  >
  >  
  >

  -- 
  Marty Connelly
  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Apr 23 22:33:44 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:33:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A72AD@main2.marlow.com>

Can't do that through Outlook, at least not that I know of.  I tend to
create custom VB based NT Services to handle automated tasks.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 8:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 24 04:43:40 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:43:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
Message-ID: <s44cba0b.013@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Thanks! I understand what you say, but as I read it, I think you missed my point ...

> You are storing two separate things here, a date and a time 
> - not an offset from a zero point.

That's true, that's how the data type Date is designed, and that's my key point. 

But TimeSerial() does not do so; it returns an offset from a zero point. That zero point is numeric zero which is equivalent to 1899-12-30 00:00:00. For positive values that's correct, but not for negative. Further, some of these values (between 0 and -1) are invalid as they can not be expressed by a #..# construct though VBA will interpret these values as if they were positive:

 0,75         18991230 1800
 0,5          18991230 1200
 0,25         18991230 0600
 0            18991230 0000
-0,25         18991230 0600
-0,5          18991230 1200
-0,75         18991230 1800

However, according to this excellent article (time to brush up your German!):

  http://www.vbarchiv.net/archiv/tipp_details.php?pid=1308

these values between -1 and 0 could be regarded as true in some way and should simply be read by their absolute value which, in fact, is what VB(A) does.

Still, TimeSerial() will also deliver values below -1 as an offset from a zero point which is buggy.
Consider these small examples:

? DateDiff("h", TimeSerial(-6, 0, 0), TimeSerial(6, 0, 0))
 1 
? DateDiff("h", TimeSerial(-18, 0, 0), TimeSerial(18, 0, 0))
 1 

The results should, of course, be 12 and 36 which my modified function returns:

? DateDiff("h", TimeSerialFull(-6, 0, 0), TimeSerialFull(6, 0, 0))
 12 
? DateDiff("h", TimeSerialFull(-18, 0, 0), TimeSerialFull(18, 0, 0))
 36

> 1. There is no such thing as "0" for the integer part ie  no such as "1 Jan 
> 0000" or "31 Dec 0000". Using the microsoft representation, there is no 
> such thing as "Day 0"  or times within such a day.

There is. But it is not of year "0" as that year, as you correctly states, does not exist. It has been chosen by MS to represent the date of 1899-12-30. Probably because it allows data type Date to hold up to 9999-12-31 23:59:59 within the range and resolution of the IEEE 64 bit data type Double.
For several reasons MS has chosen 100-01-01 as the earliest date for the data type Date even though the capacity of data type Double allows for much earlier dates. One reason is that if years of 99 and earlier were allowed, you couldn't type in two-digits years for present dates.

> 2. Fractional parts are always positive, they indicate the amount of the 
> specified unit (year or day) that has elapsed.

Well, yes and no.
For dates before 1899-12-30 the numeric value is negative, thus the time part is negative as well. And a "larger" time part means a more negative date value:

-2,75         18991228 1800
-2,5          18991228 1200
-2,25         18991228 0600
-2            18991228 0000

and for a good reason: In this way the integer part of a date value will always represent the date.
To extract the time part you have to isolate it (remove the integer part) and turn it positive:

      ' Split datBase in date and time parts.
      dblDate = Fix(datDate)
      dblTime = Abs(datDate - dblDate)

Also, look up my related and recent post on "Sorting old dates" from 2006-04-06 13:41:52 which shows how to sort correctly numeric negative date values.

To summarize and illustrate, here is a sequential sorted list with 
 - date/times around the numeric zero value
 - the numeric equivalent if this was linear
 - the actual (native) numeric equivalent from CDbl(datDate):

'   Date     Time  Linear        Native
'   19000101 0000  2             2
'
'   18991231 1800  1,75          1,75
'   18991231 1200  1,5           1,5
'   18991231 0600  1,25          1,25
'   18991231 0000  1             1
'
'   18991230 1800  0,75          0,75
'   18991230 1200  0,5           0,5
'   18991230 0600  0,25          0,25
'   18991230 0000  0             0
'
'   18991229 1800 -0,25         -1,75
'   18991229 1200 -0,5          -1,5
'   18991229 0600 -0,75         -1,25
'   18991229 0000 -1            -1
'
'   18991228 1800 -1,25         -2,75
'   18991228 1200 -1,5          -2,5
'   18991228 0600 -1,75         -2,25
'   18991228 0000 -2            -2

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 23-04-2006 23:25:18 >>>
On 23 Apr 2006 at 16:29, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong
> date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?

Not wrong values, just values that you are not expecting. It's not a bug, 
it's a feature and it is in fact a feature of all calendars, it's not a 
microsoft thing. 

<quote>
Date variables are stored as IEEE 64-bit (8-byte) floating-point numbers 
that represent dates ranging from 1 January 100 to 31 December 9999 and 
times from 0:00:00 to 23:59:59.
...
Negative whole numbers represent dates before 30 December 1899.
</quote>

You are storing two separate things here, a date and a time - not an offset 
from a zero point.

So:
1.25 represent 6:00am on Day 1
-1.25 represents 6:00am on Day -1
0.25 is meaningless. There is no Day 0.

That is what happens in any calendar system. Think of it using our calendar 
with years as the integer part rather than days.

1 Jan 0001 AD = (Year 1) + 1/365 years
The previous day is:
 31 Dec 0001 BC = (Year -1) + 364/365 days

Key points are:
1. There is no such thing as "0" for the integer part ie  no such as "1 Jan 
0000" or "31 Dec 0000". Using the microsoft representation, there is no 
such thing as "Day 0"  or times within such a day.

2. Fractional parts are always positive, they indicate the amount of the 
specified unit (year or day) that has elapsed.

-- 
Stuart



From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr 24 06:03:12 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:03:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10443.1145632510.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFBC022112.FA8CB78F-ON8525715A.003C58E0-8525715A.003CC0A2@is002023.gdls.com>

Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this? Is
anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just not
save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr 24 06:51:31 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:51:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <OFBC022112.FA8CB78F-ON8525715A.003C58E0-8525715A.003CC0A2@LocalDomain>
Message-ID: <OFDBF84569.2E8E690B-ON8525715A.0040E26B-8525715A.00412D0F@is002023.gdls.com>

All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design view.
Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
suggestions as to how to get out of it?

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





                                                                           
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Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this? Is
anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just not
save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256






From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 24 07:22:44 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:22:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <OFDBF84569.2E8E690B-ON8525715A.0040E26B-8525715A.00412D0F@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <OFBC022112.FA8CB78F-ON8525715A.003C58E0-8525715A.003CC0A2@LocalDomain>
Message-ID: <444D4FB4.14780.2B60DA49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Apr 2006 at 7:51, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:

> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
> 

The only time I have ever seen this is after breaking out of a procedure or 
function which included a Docmd.Setwarnings False. Do you have any startup 
code which sets this anywhere?

What happens if you do a "Docmd.Setwarnings True" in the immediate window?

-- 
Stuart




From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 07:39:03 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:39:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <OFDBF84569.2E8E690B-ON8525715A.0040E26B-8525715A.00412D0F@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <OFBC022112.FA8CB78F-ON8525715A.003C58E0-8525715A.003CC0A2@LocalDomain>
	<OFDBF84569.2E8E690B-ON8525715A.0040E26B-8525715A.00412D0F@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604240539o3708770ci5c7b814ebc47e543@mail.gmail.com>

I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't
used the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting
Access is my usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities
like that. If I really want to be sure it's not something lurking I
reboot. Then if it still happens I go digging more. The restarts
usually fix me up though. If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes
to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Thomas F
>             Ewald/LS/GDYN
>                                                                        To
>             04/24/2006 07:03          accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>             AM                                                         cc
>
>                                                                   Subject
>                                       Strange Access Behavior(Document
>                                       link: Thomas F Ewald)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
> creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
> without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
> and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this? Is
> anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
> quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just not
> save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr 24 07:42:16 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:42:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950604240539o3708770ci5c7b814ebc47e543@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFDC48E51E.BD521F75-ON8525715A.00459F1C-8525715A.0045D27C@is002023.gdls.com>

Thanks. I got out of it in frustration, and it did, indeed, work when I
brought it back up. Now I just wonder why it does that.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





                                                                           
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I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't
used the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting
Access is my usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities
like that. If I really want to be sure it's not something lurking I
reboot. Then if it still happens I go digging more. The restarts
usually fix me up though. If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes
to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design
view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Thomas F
>             Ewald/LS/GDYN
>                                                                        To
>             04/24/2006 07:03          accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>             AM                                                         cc
>
>                                                                   Subject
>                                       Strange Access Behavior(Document
>                                       link: Thomas F Ewald)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
> creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
> without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
> and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this?
Is
> anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
> quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just
not
> save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Apr 24 07:48:12 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:48:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362564C@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

This was happening to me last night on every darn query I created just
to look at data to create sql statements.  I started naming the queries
with adult-conventions by 11:00.  Aughghghg! 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:42 AM
To: Gary Kjos
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior

Thanks. I got out of it in frustration, and it did, indeed, work when I
brought it back up. Now I just wonder why it does that.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





 

             "Gary Kjos"

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I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't used
the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting Access is my
usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities like that. If I
really want to be sure it's not something lurking I reboot. Then if it
still happens I go digging more. The restarts usually fix me up though.
If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data 
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes
automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design
view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not

> do that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere 
> that I could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced 
> this? Any suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Thomas F
>             Ewald/LS/GDYN
>
To
>             04/24/2006 07:03          accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>             AM
cc
>
>
Subject
>                                       Strange Access Behavior(Document
>                                       link: Thomas F Ewald)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is 
> selected creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get 
> out of it without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save 
> the dumb thing and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set
something to do this?
Is
> anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always 
> a quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to 
> just
not
> save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr 24 08:24:29 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:24:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950604240539o3708770ci5c7b814ebc47e543@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF0BD2A66E.16BD09D8-ON8525715A.00495C87-8525715A.0049B030@is002023.gdls.com>

Well, duh. I do have a module that runs a lot of SQL statements, so I turn
off warnings at the beginning of it. I don't remember doing so, but I'll
bet I ran it and it was interrupted for some reason, so that warnings were
not turned back on. In that case, rebooting Access would, of course, reset
warnings to their default ON position.

Pretty sure this is it. Sorry to waste everyone's time. Well, if my
explanation above helps someone, then I guess it wasn't a total waste. If
you experience what I was complaining about, you might consider just
creating a simple macro that turns warnings on. You can then run that
whenever the problem shows up, and then see if it is corrected.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





                                                                           
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I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't
used the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting
Access is my usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities
like that. If I really want to be sure it's not something lurking I
reboot. Then if it still happens I go digging more. The restarts
usually fix me up though. If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes
to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design
view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Thomas F
>             Ewald/LS/GDYN
>                                                                        To
>             04/24/2006 07:03          accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>             AM                                                         cc
>
>                                                                   Subject
>                                       Strange Access Behavior(Document
>                                       link: Thomas F Ewald)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
> creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
> without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
> and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this?
Is
> anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
> quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just
not
> save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
> --
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Apr 24 09:37:54 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:37:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action Command
Message-ID: <12472575.1145889474415.JavaMail.www@wwinf3202>

To all,
I am using a couple of menu bars which call functions with no problem at all, however I have a function which does everything I need for my new menu bar with the exception of a couple of additional commands at the end.  I tried making the function with a parameter ( function CallMe(strType as String) ) and putting either a 1 or a 2 in the parameter options, however it wont now run the function.  I would rather not copy all the code again as this seems a bit of a waste to me.
So is there a way I can pass a parameter to a function from one of my menu bar options.
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
Paul Hartland

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 24 10:51:10 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:51:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BC3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
days, so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
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From nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu  Mon Apr 24 10:53:22 2006
From: nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu (Gould, Nanette)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:53:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
Message-ID: <33E923DF3EB78B4D8DCD3A743427425CB1D3F6@mailbe07.mc.vanderbilt.edu>

Hello, all. I have a problem I hope someone can help me solve. I've got
data in a table that I need to export to Excel and each row needs to be
split into two rows for each EmpID. It's the AwardAmt and the RRC_RRT
data that need to appear on separate rows. Does anyone have any ideas of
how I can accomplish this in either Access or Excel?

Here's how the data is in my table:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50		 24.24
56704	 	C	
0063749	 MBB	 	Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
12.12	 	56703	 	T	

Here's how it needs to be in Excel:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50
56704	 	RRA	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 		24.24
56704		RRC	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
56703	 	RRA	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander
12.12	 	56703	 	RRT	


Thanks!
Nanette


From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Mon Apr 24 10:59:27 2006
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:59:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEHBDGAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I have a LONG text file that I need to extract into an Access table.

Every record is five lines so the Access import system will not work.  The
field descriptions are also part of the data which is no big deal.  I can
import the field descriptions and then delete those fields later.

What I am after is...Does anyone have a neat fixed-length import system that
will handle multiple lines per record?

If not, how do I jump to the next line after I finish with one?

Can I read one entire line into a string and then manipulate that?  Or
analyze it for certain data in order to handle the entire line differently?

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017






From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Apr 24 11:21:45 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:21:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
	Command
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F207165E5@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Paul,

Why not have two functions, on for each button. The first function will
simply execute the statement

 CallMe "1"

And the second one would (of course) execute

 CallMe "2"

HTH

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:38 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
Command
Importance: High


To all,
I am using a couple of menu bars which call functions with no problem at
all, however I have a function which does everything I need for my new menu
bar with the exception of a couple of additional commands at the end.  I
tried making the function with a parameter ( function CallMe(strType as
String) ) and putting either a 1 or a 2 in the parameter options, however it
wont now run the function.  I would rather not copy all the code again as
this seems a bit of a waste to me. So is there a way I can pass a parameter
to a function from one of my menu bar options. Thanks in advance for any
help on this. Paul Hartland
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Apr 24 11:23:45 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:23:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D974E8@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D352B6@ADGSERVER>

Nanette,

I first thought about using a union query, but that would duplicate the
EmpID.  So I'd probably use a temporary table two queries.

Temptable layout:

Fld1 Fld2 Fld3 Fld4 Fld5

Then populate the table with something like (air code):

strSQL="SELECT EmpID,PayGroup,FirstName,LastName,AwardAmt " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

strSQL2="SELECT RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

set rs=db.openrecordset(strsql,dbopensnapshot)
set rs2=db.openrecordset(strsql2,dbopensnapshot)
with rs
   do while not.eof
	'insert 1st line of data
	strSQL3="INSERT INTO TempTable (Fld1,Fld2,Fld3,Fld4,Fld5) " & _
		"VALUES(" & _
			cstr(!EmpID) & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!PayGroup),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!FirstName),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!LastName),'') & "," & _

			cstr(nz(!AwardAmt),'0') & ";"
	db.execute strsql3,dbfailonerror	'insert the 1st line

	'insert 2nd line of data
	strSQL3="INSERT INTO TempTable (Fld1,Fld2,Fld3) " & _
		"VALUES(" & _
			cstr(nz(!RRC_RRT),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!PayrollProcAcct),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!EarningsCode),'') & ";"
	db.execute strsql3,dbfailonerror	'insert the 2nd line

	.movenext
      loop


Now you can dump export the table to Excel.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gould, Nanette
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two


Hello, all. I have a problem I hope someone can help me solve. I've got
data in a table that I need to export to Excel and each row needs to be
split into two rows for each EmpID. It's the AwardAmt and the RRC_RRT
data that need to appear on separate rows. Does anyone have any ideas of
how I can accomplish this in either Access or Excel?

Here's how the data is in my table:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50		 24.24
56704	 	C	
0063749	 MBB	 	Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
12.12	 	56703	 	T	

Here's how it needs to be in Excel:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50
56704	 	RRA	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 		24.24
56704		RRC	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
56703	 	RRA	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander
12.12	 	56703	 	RRT	


Thanks!
Nanette



From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 11:32:54 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:32:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEHBDGAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEHBDGAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604240932g39312716yea7476acca4e37d8@mail.gmail.com>

You need to write your own import reading the text file with regular
VB I/O statements. Former list regular Seth Galitzer has a demo posted
in the downloads section at his website under FILE IO in VB

http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Gary



On 4/24/06, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> I have a LONG text file that I need to extract into an Access table.
>
> Every record is five lines so the Access import system will not work.  The
> field descriptions are also part of the data which is no big deal.  I can
> import the field descriptions and then delete those fields later.
>
> What I am after is...Does anyone have a neat fixed-length import system that
> will handle multiple lines per record?
>
> If not, how do I jump to the next line after I finish with one?
>
> Can I read one entire line into a string and then manipulate that?  Or
> analyze it for certain data in order to handle the entire line differently?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 24 11:34:36 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:34:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
In-Reply-To: <24782756.1145894252742.JavaMail.root@sniper13>
Message-ID: <000a01c667bc$fa16d230$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and wonder
if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working days,
so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Mon Apr 24 11:37:39 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:37:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C747@dewey.Symphony.local>

Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.  

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.    

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 24 11:42:11 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:42:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BCE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
days, so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
> --
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 24 11:52:16 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:52:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <s44d1e69.030@cactus.dk>

Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.  

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.    

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com 
www.symphonyinfo.com 
763-391-7400




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 24 12:11:00 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:11:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
In-Reply-To: <7837376.1145897245915.JavaMail.root@sniper39>
Message-ID: <000101c667c2$0fc409e0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Charlotte,

Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party product
like Infragistics is not used?

Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the MS
forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access version
except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and wonder
if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working days,
so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
> --
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Mon Apr 24 12:14:11 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:14:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C748@dewey.Symphony.local>

Thanks, Gustav for your quick response....but I am not finding any hope
of downloading the driver.  Am I missing something? 


Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase

Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.  

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.    

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400


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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Apr 24 12:16:27 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:16:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11699.1145894450.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.11699.1145894450.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1145898987.444d07ebdefb5@webmail.highstream.net>

David,

This is an Access group.  You need to check on an ASP.Net group for answers to
this.

Try aspadvice.com and see if they can help you on that list.

Robert L. Stewart
The Dyson Group International
Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge


Quoting accessd-request at databaseadvisors.com:

> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:59:09 +1200
> From: David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424080437.01a39660 at dalyn.co.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I have found a partial solution:
>
>          Dim myControl1 As Control, myInt As Integer, lblLoop As Label
>          For myInt = 1 To 3
>              myControl1 = Page.FindControl("lblYrEnd" & myInt)
>              If (Not myControl1 Is Nothing) Then
>                  lblLoop = CType(myControl1, Label)
>                  lblLoop.Text = "Label No: " & myInt
>              End If
>          Next myInt
>
> This appends the value of myInt to the value entered into TextBox2
> and puts the result into the lblYrEnd label with the last character
> equal to myInt.
>
> I can get this to work in a plain aspx page.  However, the page I
> want to use it on has a Master page and content control.  When I run
> the same code the "myControl1 = Page.FindControl("lbltemp" & myInt)"
> line doesn't find the control.  My guess is that it is because it is
> hidden down the control hierarchy but I am having trouble with VB.Net
> help finding how to reference them.  Can anyone help?
>
> The code for the objects is:
>
> <%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile="~/MasterPage.master"
> AutoEventWireup="false" CodeFile="pgeSingleItemResult.aspx.vb"
> Inherits="pgeSingleItemResult" title="Untitled Page" %>
> <asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHolderID="ContentPlaceHolder1"
> Runat="Server">
>      <table style="z-index: 100; left: 237px; width: 713px; position:
> absolute; top: 217px; vertical-align: top; font-family: arial;
> border-collapse: separate; text-align: center; border-right: black
> 1px solid; border-top: black 1px solid; border-left: black 1px solid;
> border-bottom: black 1px solid;" cellspacing="0" id="tblItemResult">
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px; height: 20px;"
> bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd1" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd2" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd3" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd4" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd5" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>      </table>
> </asp:Content>
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> New Zealand
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:20:17 +1200
> From: David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424091929.01bad030 at dalyn.co.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> If anyone wants a small vb.Net project sample to see if they can find
> out why it is not working I can send it to them.
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> New Zealand





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 24 12:24:27 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:24:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEHBDGAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <444D09CB.4030202@shaw.ca>

I think you may have to read each record and parse, if there are field 
delimiters
you can use the split function. The ADO text driver might work but it 
would be convoluted
because it expects column header info at beginning.
You might be able to do with schema.ini playing with
FixedFormat option  Only used when the Format is FixedLength,
this can be set to one of the following values: RaggedEdge or 
TrueFixedLength.
RaggedEdge allows rows to be terminated with a Carriage Return character.
TrueFixedLength requires each row to be an exact number of characters,
and any Carriage Return characters not at a row boundary are assumed to 
be embedded in a field.
 
One of these methods will work

Public Sub ReadFile(ByVal sFileName As String, ByRef sContents As String)
' Dump XML  String to File for debugging
Dim strLine As String
Dim intLine As Long
Dim fhFile As Integer
    intLine = 0
    sContents = ""
    fhFile = FreeFile
   ' Debug.Print "Length of string=" & Len(sContents)
    Open sFileName For Input As #fhFile
Do While Not EOF(1) ' Loop until end of file.
    Input #1, strLine    ' Read data
    intLine = intLine + 1
    sContents = sContents & strLine
    'Debug.Print sContents  ' Print data to Debug window.
Loop
Close #fhFile    ' Close file.

    Debug.Print "Input File" & sFileName & " lines=" & intLine
End Sub
or

Sub ImportFile(strFileName As String)

   Dim rs As Recordset
   Dim strComplete As String
   Dim strLine As String
   Dim fNum As Integer   'for file I/O

   'open rs on table where you want to add fields
   Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableHere", dbOpenDynaset)

   'Open data file
   fNum = FreeFile   'file handle for I/O
   Open strFileName For Input As #fNum

   'Data on 3 lines?
   'read a line
   Line Input #1, strLine
   strComplete = strLine
   Line Input #1, strLine
   strComplete = strComplete & strLine
   Line Input #1, strLine
   strComplete = strComplete & strLine

   'we expect to enter this loop with the first 3 lines read... a 
complete record
   'just parse the lines into the proper recordset fields
   Do
      rs.AddNew
      rs!CustNo = left(strComplete, 9)
      rs!CustName = Mid(strComplete, 10, 40)
      rs!CustCity = right(strComplete, 10)
      rs.Update

      'are we at the end of the file?
      If EOF(fNum) Then
         Exit Do
      End If
      'well, we're not at the end of the file so must have more data
      'read in next 3 lines of data and loop
      Line Input #1, strLine
      strComplete = strLine
      Line Input #1, strLine
      strComplete = strComplete & strLine
      Line Input #1, strLine
      strComplete = strComplete & strLine
   Loop
ProcExit:
   Close #fNum   ' Close file.
   'close and set objects to nothing
   rs.Close
   Set rs = Nothing
End Sub


Reuben Cummings wrote:

>I have a LONG text file that I need to extract into an Access table.
>
>Every record is five lines so the Access import system will not work.  The
>field descriptions are also part of the data which is no big deal.  I can
>import the field descriptions and then delete those fields later.
>
>What I am after is...Does anyone have a neat fixed-length import system that
>will handle multiple lines per record?
>
>If not, how do I jump to the next line after I finish with one?
>
>Can I read one entire line into a string and then manipulate that?  Or
>analyze it for certain data in order to handle the entire line differently?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Reuben Cummings
>GFC, LLC
>812.523.1017
>
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From nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu  Mon Apr 24 12:39:58 2006
From: nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu (Gould, Nanette)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:39:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
Message-ID: <33E923DF3EB78B4D8DCD3A743427425CB1D404@mailbe07.mc.vanderbilt.edu>

Thanks! I'll give it a try and let you know if I hit any snags. 

Nanette

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two

Nanette,

I first thought about using a union query, but that would duplicate the
EmpID.  So I'd probably use a temporary table two queries.

Temptable layout:

Fld1 Fld2 Fld3 Fld4 Fld5

Then populate the table with something like (air code):

strSQL="SELECT EmpID,PayGroup,FirstName,LastName,AwardAmt " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

strSQL2="SELECT RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

set rs=db.openrecordset(strsql,dbopensnapshot)
set rs2=db.openrecordset(strsql2,dbopensnapshot)
with rs
   do while not.eof
	'insert 1st line of data
	strSQL3="INSERT INTO TempTable (Fld1,Fld2,Fld3,Fld4,Fld5) " & _
		"VALUES(" & _
			cstr(!EmpID) & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!PayGroup),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!FirstName),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!LastName),'') & "," & _

			cstr(nz(!AwardAmt),'0') & ";"
	db.execute strsql3,dbfailonerror	'insert the 1st line

	'insert 2nd line of data
	strSQL3="INSERT INTO TempTable (Fld1,Fld2,Fld3) " & _
		"VALUES(" & _
			cstr(nz(!RRC_RRT),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!PayrollProcAcct),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!EarningsCode),'') & ";"
	db.execute strsql3,dbfailonerror	'insert the 2nd line

	.movenext
      loop


Now you can dump export the table to Excel.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gould,
Nanette
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two


Hello, all. I have a problem I hope someone can help me solve. I've got
data in a table that I need to export to Excel and each row needs to be
split into two rows for each EmpID. It's the AwardAmt and the RRC_RRT
data that need to appear on separate rows. Does anyone have any ideas of
how I can accomplish this in either Access or Excel?

Here's how the data is in my table:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50		 24.24
56704	 	C	
0063749	 MBB	 	Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
12.12	 	56703	 	T	

Here's how it needs to be in Excel:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50
56704	 	RRA	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 		24.24
56704		RRC	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
56703	 	RRA	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander
12.12	 	56703	 	RRT	


Thanks!
Nanette

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 24 12:54:05 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:54:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of
app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  We
use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers) rather
than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
tools. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Charlotte,

Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
product like Infragistics is not used?

Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
days, so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 24 13:05:48 2006
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:05:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
In-Reply-To: <s44d1e69.030@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNIEEICLAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Liz get with their Sys admin and find out if he knows where the RB Gateway
file is. The gateway was a console (in older versions of Rbase) that allowed
exports and select statements.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase


Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 13:09:36 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:09:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C747@dewey.Symphony.local>
References: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C747@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920604241109wadf5c00j9894b13ed136f009@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/24/06, Liz Doering <ldoering at symphonyinfo.com> wrote:

> Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
> me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
> of those anywhere.
>
> So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
> client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Did the trial version of RBase install the RBase ODBC Drivers? If so,
try using them to get the data into Access.

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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 24 13:18:13 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:18:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
In-Reply-To: <30361027.1145901515108.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c667cb$73b43610$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Well - that saved me 3 days of research!

Thanks Charlotte!

Dan 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of app
you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls because the
granularity is greater and you can make them do things that aren't possible
with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other languages that are part of
VS all use the same forms, whether they're the built in ones or 3rd party.
You can also mix and match using just specific 3rd party tools with the
built in tools to meet your needs.  We use a lot of the built in controls,
like panels, but we use 3rd party tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes,
date/time controls, calendars, grids, and some others that escape me at the
moment.  We also use ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access
programmers) rather than the built in Crystal reports and we use
ComponentOne graphing tools. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Charlotte,

Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party product
like Infragistics is not used?

Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the MS
forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access version
except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and wonder
if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working days,
so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Apr 24 13:26:35 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:26:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D97530@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D352B9@ADGSERVER>

I just saw this, change:

strSQL2="SELECT RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

to 

strSQL2="SELECT EmpId,RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

I added the EmpId field to the query.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gould, Nanette
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two


Thanks! I'll give it a try and let you know if I hit any snags. 

Nanette



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Apr 24 13:28:24 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:28:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D97483@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D352BA@ADGSERVER>

Restarting has solved that for me also.

Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: ewaldt at gdls.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior


I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't
used the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting
Access is my usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities
like that. If I really want to be sure it's not something lurking I
reboot. Then if it still happens I go digging more. The restarts
usually fix me up though. If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes
to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design
view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Apr 24 13:27:18 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:27:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362565D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.UserPaint, True)
Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.AllPaintingInWmPaint, True)
Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.DoubleBuffer, True)
Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.ResizeRedraw, True)
Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.SupportsTransparentBackColor, True)
Then, you need to override the OnPaint event and draw your own control.
The basic steps involved are:

Protected Overrides Function ProcessMnemonic(ByVal charCode As Char) As
Boolean
    For Each p As TabPage In Me.TabPages
        If Control.IsMnemonic(charCode, p.Text) Then
            Me.SelectedTab = p
            Me.Focus()
            Return True
        End If
    Next p
    Return False
End Function 'ProcessMnemonic
          
Protected Overrides Sub OnPaint(ByVal e As _
          System.Windows.Forms.PaintEventArgs)
    MyBase.OnPaint(e)
    DrawControl(e.Graphics)
End Sub

Friend Sub DrawControl(ByVal g As Graphics)
    If Not Visible Then
        Return
    End If
    Dim render As New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
    Dim TabControlArea As Rectangle = Me.ClientRectangle
    Dim TabArea As Rectangle = Me.DisplayRectangle
    TabArea.Y = TabArea.Y + 1
    TabArea.Width = TabArea.Width + 1
    Dim nDelta As Integer = SystemInformation.Border3DSize.Width
    TabArea.Inflate(nDelta, nDelta)
    render.DrawBackground(g, TabArea)
      
    Dim i As Integer = 0
    While i < Me.TabCount
        DrawTab(g, Me.TabPages(i), i)
        i += 1
    End While
      
End Sub
          
Friend Sub DrawTab(ByVal g As Graphics, ByVal tabPage _
           As TabPage, ByVal nIndex As Integer)
    Dim recBounds As Rectangle = Me.GetTabRect(nIndex)
      
    Dim tabTextArea As RectangleF = _
        CType(Me.GetTabRect(nIndex), RectangleF)
    Dim bSelected As Boolean = (Me.SelectedIndex = nIndex)
    Dim render As New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
    render = New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
    If bSelected Then
        recBounds.Height = recBounds.Height + 10
        render = New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
        render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
        render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
               EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
    Else
        recBounds.Y = recBounds.Y + 1
        render = New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Normal)
        render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
        render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
               EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
    End If
    If (tabPage.ImageIndex >= 0) AndAlso _
                (Not (ImageList Is Nothing)) _
                AndAlso (Not (ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex) _
                Is Nothing)) Then
        Dim nLeftMargin As Integer = 8
        Dim nRightMargin As Integer = 2
        Dim img As Image = ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex)
        Dim rimage As Rectangle = New Rectangle(recBounds.X + _
                   nLeftMargin, recBounds.Y + 1, img.Width, img.Height)
        Dim nAdj As Single = CType((nLeftMargin + _
                    img.Width + nRightMargin), Single)
        rimage.Y += (recBounds.Height - img.Height) / 2
        tabTextArea.X += nAdj
        tabTextArea.Width -= nAdj
        g.DrawImage(img, rimage)
    End If

    Dim stringFormat As StringFormat = New StringFormat
    stringFormat.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
    stringFormat.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
    If FlagControl Then
        stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Show
    Else
        stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Hide
    End If
    Dim br As Brush
    br = New SolidBrush(tabPage.ForeColor)
    g.DrawString(tabPage.Text, Font, br, tabTextArea, stringFormat)
End Sub

'add a reference to the TabControl into the new project and drag the
TabControl to your form.


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
days, so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
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From nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu  Mon Apr 24 13:32:39 2006
From: nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu (Gould, Nanette)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
Message-ID: <33E923DF3EB78B4D8DCD3A743427425CB1D40D@mailbe07.mc.vanderbilt.edu>

I haven't had a chance to test it yet so I'll make that change before I
do. 

Thanks!
Nanette

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two

I just saw this, change:

strSQL2="SELECT RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

to 

strSQL2="SELECT EmpId,RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

I added the EmpId field to the query.

Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gould,
Nanette
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two


Thanks! I'll give it a try and let you know if I hit any snags. 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 24 13:55:23 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:55:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <444D1F1B.1010200@shaw.ca>

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web Forms,
then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and 
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up
It is an airline hotel reservation system
http://farechase.yahoo.com/

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of
>app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
>because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
>aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
>languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
>the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
>specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  We
>use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
>tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
>grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
>ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers) rather
>than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
>tools. 
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
>product like Infragistics is not used?
>
>Dan 
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
>MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
>version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
>Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Hi Charlotte,
>
>I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
>called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
>wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>
>Thanks!
>Dan 
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
>days, so I'm out of date. 
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>
>
>Kath
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  
>
>>Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>>side, or did you mean vertical text?
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>>    
>>
>Pelletti
>  
>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>>To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>>
>>I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>>text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>>[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>>    
>>
>then
>  
>
>>they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>>
>>Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>>    
>>
>way?
>  
>
>>I can't find it....
>>
>>    
>>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 24 15:57:02 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:57:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BDF@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind 
>of app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls 
>because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that

>aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other 
>languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're 
>the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just 
>specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  
>We use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd 
>party tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, 
>calendars, grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We 
>also use ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access 
>programmers) rather than the built in Crystal reports and we use 
>ComponentOne graphing tools.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party 
>product like Infragistics is not used?
>
>Dan
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the 
>MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access

>version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  
>Only Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Hi Charlotte,
>
>I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this 
>be called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and 
>wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>
>Thanks!
>Dan
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working 
>days, so I'm out of date.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
>Pelletti
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>
>
>Kath
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  
>
>>Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>>side, or did you mean vertical text?
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>>    
>>
>Pelletti
>  
>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>>To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>>
>>I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>>text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>>[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>>    
>>
>then
>  
>
>>they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>>
>>Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>>    
>>
>way?
>  
>
>>I can't find it....
>>
>>    
>>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov  Mon Apr 24 16:32:56 2006
From: JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov (JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:32:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
In-Reply-To: <s44d1e69.030@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <OF754CC975.ACEB28C8-ON8625715A.0075A0AC-8625715A.0076429E@ci.lincoln.ne.us>


Don't bother with the ODBC drivers.  If my memory is correct, they don't
always work very well.  We have converted almost all of our RBase 4.5 to
Access 2000 (over 50 applications for some 200 RBase databases).  The
process we use is to export each RBase table to DBF files, then import
those into Access.  Your client's RBase has all the necessary tools (i.e.
Gateway) to do the export from RBase.  One gotcha is that whoever set up
the RBase tables may have used some dBase reserved words as part of the
table or column names.  Column  names will also be truncated at eight
characters.  If so, you can issue the RENAME COLUMN command at a R> prompt
to change those.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off list.

Jim Hicks
Systems Analyst Programmer II
City of Lincoln
Information Services
402-441-7199



                                                                           
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Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 25 00:37:53 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:37:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BDF@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <444DB5B1.1050309@shaw.ca>

I have been using variations of AJAX for a few years. Some people scorn it.
But if you are going to get run out of town  because of it,
might as well look like you are leading the parade.
Here is an article on  it pro's and con's
Written for a pretty good VB.Net magazine, I can't get locally
Code Magazine, You might find some useful articles on VB.Net too.
Calls itself the leading magazine for .Net Developers

The AJAX Hype - Some Things to Think About
http://www.code-magazine.com/Article.aspx?quickid=050093 

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
>a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
>be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
>spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
>browser for everything.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
>Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
>however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
>yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
>accusations.
>http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
>There are many pros and cons to this approach
>
>The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
>ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.
>
>Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
>reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/
>
>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>  
>
>>VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind 
>>of app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls 
>>because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other 
>>languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're 
>>the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just 
>>specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  
>>We use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd 
>>party tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, 
>>calendars, grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We 
>>also use ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access 
>>programmers) rather than the built in Crystal reports and we use 
>>ComponentOne graphing tools.
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>Charlotte,
>>
>>Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party 
>>product like Infragistics is not used?
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>Foust
>>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>
>>We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the 
>>MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>>panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>>VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  
>>Only Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>Hi Charlotte,
>>
>>I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this 
>>be called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and 
>>wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>Foust
>>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>
>>Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working 
>>days, so I'm out of date.
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
>>Pelletti
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>>
>>
>>Kath
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>>>side, or did you mean vertical text?
>>>
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Pelletti
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>>>To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>>
>>>(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>>>
>>>I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>>>text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>>>[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>then
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>>>
>>>Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>way?
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I can't find it....
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Apr 25 06:11:25 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:11:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625665@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

It is my understanding that the upcoming .ADO release is specifically
working towards providing the windows forms controls for both windows
apps and web forms. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind 
>of app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls 
>because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that

>aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other 
>languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're 
>the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just 
>specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.
>We use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd 
>party tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, 
>calendars, grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We 
>also use ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access
>programmers) rather than the built in Crystal reports and we use 
>ComponentOne graphing tools.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party 
>product like Infragistics is not used?
>
>Dan
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the 
>MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access

>version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  
>Only Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Hi Charlotte,
>
>I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this 
>be called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and 
>wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>
>Thanks!
>Dan
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working 
>days, so I'm out of date.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
>Pelletti
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>
>
>Kath
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  
>
>>Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>>side, or did you mean vertical text?
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>>    
>>
>Pelletti
>  
>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>>To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>>
>>I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>>text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>>[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>>    
>>
>then
>  
>
>>they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>>
>>Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>>    
>>
>way?
>  
>
>>I can't find it....
>>
>>    
>>

--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Apr 25 06:19:23 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:19:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625666@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

This is a script I wrote to write values out from one table in Acc

DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE tblDocumentsStdApp.txtFiles FROM
tblDocumentsStdApp;  ", 0
Set txtfile = Nothing
Set objFSO = CreateObject("scripting.filesystemobject")
This routine may help.  We have an application that users submit to us
with various files - word, excel,....  I read the file names from the
drive, write those names to a .txt file and then import each one into a
table to store in the database.


strsource = "C:\_DEIMS_SQL\StdApp"
strDest = strsource
filepath = strDest & "\filenames.txt"
Set txtfile = objFSO.OpenTextFile(filepath, 2, True, False)
Set objFolder = objFSO.GetFolder(strsource)
Set colFiles = objFolder.Files

For Each objFile In colFiles
If objFile.Name <> "filenames.txt" Then
    If InStr(objFile.Name, ".ldb") = 0 Then
        strFile = objFile.Name
        strSourcePath = strsource & "\" & strFile
        strDestPath = strDest & "\" & strFile
        objFSO.CopyFile strSourcePath, strDestPath
        txtfile.WriteLine (strFile)
        End If
  End If
Next
Dim db As dao.Database
Set db = CurrentDb
Dim rs As Recordset
Dim varStr As String
Set txtfile = Nothing

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("tblDocumentsStdApp", dbOpenDynaset)
Set txtfile = objFSO.OpenTextFile(filepath, 1, True, False)
While txtfile.AtEndOfStream = False
    varStr = txtfile.ReadLine()
    rs.AddNew
    rs!txtFiles = varStr
    rs.Update
Wend

DoCmd.SetWarnings True 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data

You need to write your own import reading the text file with regular VB
I/O statements. Former list regular Seth Galitzer has a demo posted in
the downloads section at his website under FILE IO in VB

http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Gary



On 4/24/06, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> I have a LONG text file that I need to extract into an Access table.
>
> Every record is five lines so the Access import system will not work.

> The field descriptions are also part of the data which is no big deal.

> I can import the field descriptions and then delete those fields
later.
>
> What I am after is...Does anyone have a neat fixed-length import 
> system that will handle multiple lines per record?
>
> If not, how do I jump to the next line after I finish with one?
>
> Can I read one entire line into a string and then manipulate that?  Or

> analyze it for certain data in order to handle the entire line
differently?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>
>
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Apr 25 10:28:20 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:28:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C755@dewey.Symphony.local>

Bryan,

That was my hope; no such luck.   


Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase

On 4/24/06, Liz Doering <ldoering at symphonyinfo.com> wrote:

> Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow

> me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one

> of those anywhere.
>
> So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the 
> client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Did the trial version of RBase install the RBase ODBC Drivers? If so,
try using them to get the data into Access.

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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Apr 25 10:29:53 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:29:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C756@dewey.Symphony.local>

David,

This is what I finally did.  It still involved the 2 hour round trip I
was trying to avoid, but I was able to get everything I needed.

Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
liz at symphonyinfo.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase

Liz get with their Sys admin and find out if he knows where the RB
Gateway file is. The gateway was a console (in older versions of Rbase)
that allowed exports and select statements.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase


Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400


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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Apr 25 10:31:39 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:31:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C757@dewey.Symphony.local>

Jim,

This makes me feel much better about the 2-hour round trip to get the
data.  Using Rbase's tools at their site was definitely the way to go,
once I went there.


Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase


Don't bother with the ODBC drivers.  If my memory is correct, they don't
always work very well.  We have converted almost all of our RBase 4.5 to
Access 2000 (over 50 applications for some 200 RBase databases).  The
process we use is to export each RBase table to DBF files, then import
those into Access.  Your client's RBase has all the necessary tools
(i.e.
Gateway) to do the export from RBase.  One gotcha is that whoever set up
the RBase tables may have used some dBase reserved words as part of the
table or column names.  Column  names will also be truncated at eight
characters.  If so, you can issue the RENAME COLUMN command at a R>
prompt to change those.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off list.

Jim Hicks
Systems Analyst Programmer II
City of Lincoln
Information Services
402-441-7199



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 25 10:53:38 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:53:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BF7@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I believe that is so, but I don't know how that will affect programming
the interfaces.   


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen
S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

It is my understanding that the upcoming .ADO release is specifically
working towards providing the windows forms controls for both windows
apps and web forms. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 25 11:56:56 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:56:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Google maps
Message-ID: <s44e7114.051@cactus.dk>

Hi all

This service has been updated with street names for many European countries.
Visit my office where I at Kalkbr?nderil?bskaj (no kidding) can look at the tree (center of map) in the middle of the small parking lot and the power plant (of very high architectural quality!) across the harbour:

http://maps.google.com/?om=1&t=h&ll=55.713079,12.591501&spn=0.003252,0.007038

I'm amazed. This is so accurate. And free. Where are we going?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-11-2005 08:47:13 >>>
Hi Marty:

There is a lot of extra code to dig through to get a piece I can use but
thanks for the info... The address translator and returning lats and longs
should be able to work locally, depending if it is a process that all can
access.

Thanks again
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Google maps

Look up pushpin in the google map api
Multiple pushpins can only be done through your website, I think.
But I haven't footled around with it.

however the q parameter puts a pushpin on the map
http://maps.google.com/?q=-35.146540,138.540741&t=k&z=0 

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>This definitely OT but the list is such a talented group I pose this
>computer programming question.
> 
>There are a number of agencies that sell lat and long cross-references to
>zip and postal codes and those can be used roughly positioning a 'marker' on
>a Google maps page. If you only need a few locations on a map is there a
>quicker way than zooming, clicking, capturing the mouse position and then
>manually entering the results for each marker into the page script? If there
>are only a couple of markers it is definitely the best way but if there are
>say 20+ required are there any short-cuts?
>
>MTIA
>Jim




From cjeris at fas.harvard.edu  Tue Apr 25 12:07:20 2006
From: cjeris at fas.harvard.edu (Christopher Jeris)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:07:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.TransferText inserts lines in found order?
Message-ID: <444E5748.9020008@fas.harvard.edu>

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Access 2002 SP3 10.6501.6735, VBA 6.3 (6.4.9972).

I have a fresh table

[rowno]   AutoNumber,
[content] Memo

I call
DoCmd.TransferText acImportFixed, <specname>, <tablename>, <filename>, , ,
65001

where <specname> names a specification which places each line of the input
text file <filename> into the [content] field of <tablename>.  It appears
that the text file's lines are inserted in order, so that [rowno] forms a
correct line numbering for the original text file (although the rows may
not physically be in order by [rowno] = line number).  Is this behavior
(rows inserted in the same order they appear in the text file) guaranteed?
 If so, is this fact documented anywhere?  I cannot find it.

(The reason I'm doing this is that the input text file is encoded UTF-8,
and if I use VBA Open/Line Input to get the text into strings, it appears
to destroy my text by assuming the file is encoded ISO-8859-1 or
Windows-1252 or something; if I use DoCmd.TransferText with CodePage =
65001 to pull it into a table and then open a recordset on the table, the
encoding is transformed correctly.  If you know an alternative solution to
this problem, I would be grateful for that as well.)

Thanks for your time,
Chris Jeris
- --
Christopher Jeris
Web and Database Application Developer
Harvard College Library, Widener G-10
cjeris at fas.harvard.edu / 617-495-2223
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Apr 25 12:17:11 2006
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:47:11 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Password argument
	for currently open db.
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BF7@INFOSERVER04.infostat.lo
	cal>
Message-ID: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt>

    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.

    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"

    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?

    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.

TIA
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 25 12:23:24 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:23:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Google maps
In-Reply-To: <s44e7114.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F29879266BE0201841E78D4D2BF0@phx.gbl>

Gustav,

Have you used Google Earth?  Same concept as google maps...but with a lot 
more cool features.  I used it a few months ago...I rented a cabin in the 
mountains...looked at it with google earth...and I could tilt the map...and 
see what the mountains looked like from the deck...not a picture perfect 
image...but a great idea of what the terrain looked like.  I then emailed 
the link to my friend that was joining me there.

Another great feature...is that you can zoom on an area...and select what 
type of business you want it to pinpoint for you(banks, gas stations, fast 
food, chinese restaurant).

Some areas have better imagery than others...the parking lot at the google 
campus...you can almost see in the sunroof of a car in the parkinglot.  
Absolutely amazing.

Kinda scary when you think of it...


Mark


>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Google maps
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:56:56 +0200
>
>Hi all
>
>This service has been updated with street names for many European 
>countries.
>Visit my office where I at Kalkbr?nderil?bskaj (no kidding) can look at the 
>tree (center of map) in the middle of the small parking lot and the power 
>plant (of very high architectural quality!) across the harbour:
>
>http://maps.google.com/?om=1&t=h&ll=55.713079,12.591501&spn=0.003252,0.007038
>
>I'm amazed. This is so accurate. And free. Where are we going?
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-11-2005 08:47:13 >>>
>Hi Marty:
>
>There is a lot of extra code to dig through to get a piece I can use but
>thanks for the info... The address translator and returning lats and longs
>should be able to work locally, depending if it is a process that all can
>access.
>
>Thanks again
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Google maps
>
>Look up pushpin in the google map api
>Multiple pushpins can only be done through your website, I think.
>But I haven't footled around with it.
>
>however the q parameter puts a pushpin on the map
>http://maps.google.com/?q=-35.146540,138.540741&t=k&z=0
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> >Hi All:
> >
> >This definitely OT but the list is such a talented group I pose this
> >computer programming question.
> >
> >There are a number of agencies that sell lat and long cross-references to
> >zip and postal codes and those can be used roughly positioning a 'marker' 
>on
> >a Google maps page. If you only need a few locations on a map is there a
> >quicker way than zooming, clicking, capturing the mouse position and then
> >manually entering the results for each marker into the page script? If 
>there
> >are only a couple of markers it is definitely the best way but if there 
>are
> >say 20+ required are there any short-cuts?
> >
> >MTIA
> >Jim
>
>
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Tue Apr 25 12:29:32 2006
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:29:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Google maps
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A060A4ECA@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Gustav,

And a broadband connection with Google's "Google Earth" program ( http://earth.google.com/ ) gives you quick search and zoom capability for virtually any spot on the planet.  You can even alter the angle of view to examine geographic features in three dimensions and 360 degrees.  Very cool.  :0)

Cheers

Don



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Google maps

Hi all

This service has been updated with street names for many European countries.
Visit my office where I at Kalkbr?nderil?bskaj (no kidding) can look at the tree (center of map) in the middle of the small parking lot and the power plant (of very high architectural quality!) across the harbour:

http://maps.google.com/?om=1&t=h&ll=55.713079,12.591501&spn=0.003252,0.007038

I'm amazed. This is so accurate. And free. Where are we going?

/gustav




From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Tue Apr 25 12:44:24 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:44:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A53CF87@aries.TexasSystems.local>


And there we have it. A completely non-Access thread, not flagged OT,
and not tagged by the moderators. The only one I can recall. 

I am NOT complaining -- I just wanted to observe that this should be the
natural trend of this forum. 

My local Access Developers group is now almost exclusively .NET and Web,
and that is largely a good thing. 

Like it or not, MS has moved our cheese. We need to follow the cheese. 

-Ken
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

I believe that is so, but I don't know how that will affect programming
the interfaces.   


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen
S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

It is my understanding that the upcoming .ADO release is specifically
working towards providing the windows forms controls for both windows
apps and web forms. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 25 12:50:32 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:50:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT? - Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BFF@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I think it is a logical move to discuss how to migrate from Access to
.Net in this list.  Where better? ;o> 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


And there we have it. A completely non-Access thread, not flagged OT,
and not tagged by the moderators. The only one I can recall. 

I am NOT complaining -- I just wanted to observe that this should be the
natural trend of this forum. 

My local Access Developers group is now almost exclusively .NET and Web,
and that is largely a good thing. 

Like it or not, MS has moved our cheese. We need to follow the cheese. 

-Ken
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

I believe that is so, but I don't know how that will affect programming
the interfaces.   


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen
S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

It is my understanding that the upcoming .ADO release is specifically
working towards providing the windows forms controls for both windows
apps and web forms. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/


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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Apr 25 13:00:49 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:00:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] value List Headers
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A53CF87@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27821E2@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

How can I get headers to appear on an unbound list box based on a value list generated via code?
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 25 13:06:41 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:06:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] value List Headers
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5C00@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Make the header values the first items in the value list, delimited just
like the rest of the values.  Then you'll have to tell Access the list
had headers. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] value List Headers

How can I get headers to appear on an unbound list box based on a value
list generated via code?
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 25 13:12:06 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:12:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Google maps
Message-ID: <s44e82b0.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark and Don

Yes I know that - it's installed - but the web service is shareable with a click!

> Kinda scary when you think of it...

Exactly. Very powerful.

Just located my hotel in Barcelona - with the pool on the roof:

http://maps.google.com/?om=1&t=h&ll=41.405326,2.212147&spn=0.002165,0.003519

Note the wonderful beach. Did you know that? A large city with "built-in beach".

Oh well, Friday is approaching ...

/gustav


>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 25-04-2006 19:23:24 >>>
Gustav,

Have you used Google Earth?  Same concept as google maps...but with a lot 
more cool features.  I used it a few months ago...I rented a cabin in the 
mountains...looked at it with google earth...and I could tilt the map...and 
see what the mountains looked like from the deck...not a picture perfect 
image...but a great idea of what the terrain looked like.  I then emailed 
the link to my friend that was joining me there.

Another great feature...is that you can zoom on an area...and select what 
type of business you want it to pinpoint for you(banks, gas stations, fast 
food, chinese restaurant).

Some areas have better imagery than others...the parking lot at the google 
campus...you can almost see in the sunroof of a car in the parkinglot.  
Absolutely amazing.

Kinda scary when you think of it...


Mark




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 25 15:02:16 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:02:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Password
 argument for currently open db.
References: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt>
Message-ID: <444E8048.5020109@shaw.ca>

For 97 this was easy
http://www.trigeminal.com/code/DatabasePassword.bas


A.D.TEJPAL wrote:

>    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.
>
>    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
>                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"
>
>    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?
>
>    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.
>
>TIA
>A.D.Tejpal
>---------------
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 25 19:22:39 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:22:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BC3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00b301c668c7$8791d5a0$6601a8c0@office>

Hi Charlotte - thanks for asking. Yes - I did get a solution. 

Here it is:

- Add a new tab control (leave it called TabControl1)
- Change the tab control's properties as follows:

- Change DrawMode to OwnerDrawFixed
- Change Item Size to allow for a wider tab, eg. I changed it to 50,100
- Change Size mode to Fixed.

Then add this code to get the text turned around to horizontal:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub TabControl1_DrawItem(ByVal sender As System.Object, _
ByVal e As DrawItemEventArgs) Handles TabControl1.DrawItem

e.Graphics.FillRectangle(SystemBrushes.Control, e.Bounds)
Dim sf As New StringFormat
sf.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
sf.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
e.Graphics.DrawString(TabControl1.TabPages(e.Index ).Text, _
TabControl1.Font, SystemBrushes.ControlText, _
RectangleF.op_Implicit(e.Bounds), sf)
End Sub

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Works well. Credit to this site:
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-1323844.php

rgds
Kath


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
  days, so I'm out of date. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Tabs on the left with horizontal text


  Kath



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  > Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
  > side, or did you mean vertical text?
  >
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
  Pelletti
  > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
  > To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
  > Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
  >
  > (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
  >
  > I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
  > text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
  > [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
  then
  > they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
  >
  > Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
  way?
  > I can't find it....
  >
  > ______________________________________
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 25 19:30:30 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:30:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00f301c668c8$9f710550$6601a8c0@office>

Charlotte - I am surprised by how *many* 3rd party tools you use - why do you use them for things like tabs, combos, date/time controls, text boxes? And is that something you would revisit with the new .net or have you gone that way because the new .net is buggy or ??? Are there some that you would particularly recommend?

I will have a look at ActiveReports as one of my requirements for this system is for charts.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of
  app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
  because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
  aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
  languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
  the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
  specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  We
  use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
  tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
  grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
  ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers) rather
  than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
  tools. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Charlotte,

  Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
  product like Infragistics is not used?

  Dan 
   


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
  Foust
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
  MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
  version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
  panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
  VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
  Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Hi Charlotte,

  I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
  called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
  wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

  Thanks!
  Dan 
   


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
  Foust
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
  days, so I'm out of date. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Tabs on the left with horizontal text


  Kath



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  > Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
  > side, or did you mean vertical text?
  >
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
  Pelletti
  > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
  > To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
  > Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
  >
  > (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
  >
  > I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
  > text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
  > [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
  then
  > they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
  >
  > Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
  way?
  > I can't find it....
  >
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 25 19:37:07 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:37:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362565D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <012001c668c9$8c97ed80$6601a8c0@office>

Karen - I have created a new Windows form, added a tab control, pasted the code inside the form's class.

I am getting sytax errors on the me. lines at the top. Should these be sitting inside an event associated with the tab control?

And when you say to set a reference to the tab control. do you mean via [Project], [Add Reference]?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR) 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.UserPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.AllPaintingInWmPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.DoubleBuffer, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.ResizeRedraw, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.SupportsTransparentBackColor, True)
  Then, you need to override the OnPaint event and draw your own control.
  The basic steps involved are:

  Protected Overrides Function ProcessMnemonic(ByVal charCode As Char) As
  Boolean
      For Each p As TabPage In Me.TabPages
          If Control.IsMnemonic(charCode, p.Text) Then
              Me.SelectedTab = p
              Me.Focus()
              Return True
          End If
      Next p
      Return False
  End Function 'ProcessMnemonic
            
  Protected Overrides Sub OnPaint(ByVal e As _
            System.Windows.Forms.PaintEventArgs)
      MyBase.OnPaint(e)
      DrawControl(e.Graphics)
  End Sub

  Friend Sub DrawControl(ByVal g As Graphics)
      If Not Visible Then
          Return
      End If
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      Dim TabControlArea As Rectangle = Me.ClientRectangle
      Dim TabArea As Rectangle = Me.DisplayRectangle
      TabArea.Y = TabArea.Y + 1
      TabArea.Width = TabArea.Width + 1
      Dim nDelta As Integer = SystemInformation.Border3DSize.Width
      TabArea.Inflate(nDelta, nDelta)
      render.DrawBackground(g, TabArea)
        
      Dim i As Integer = 0
      While i < Me.TabCount
          DrawTab(g, Me.TabPages(i), i)
          i += 1
      End While
        
  End Sub
            
  Friend Sub DrawTab(ByVal g As Graphics, ByVal tabPage _
             As TabPage, ByVal nIndex As Integer)
      Dim recBounds As Rectangle = Me.GetTabRect(nIndex)
        
      Dim tabTextArea As RectangleF = _
          CType(Me.GetTabRect(nIndex), RectangleF)
      Dim bSelected As Boolean = (Me.SelectedIndex = nIndex)
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
      If bSelected Then
          recBounds.Height = recBounds.Height + 10
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      Else
          recBounds.Y = recBounds.Y + 1
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Normal)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      End If
      If (tabPage.ImageIndex >= 0) AndAlso _
                  (Not (ImageList Is Nothing)) _
                  AndAlso (Not (ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex) _
                  Is Nothing)) Then
          Dim nLeftMargin As Integer = 8
          Dim nRightMargin As Integer = 2
          Dim img As Image = ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex)
          Dim rimage As Rectangle = New Rectangle(recBounds.X + _
                     nLeftMargin, recBounds.Y + 1, img.Width, img.Height)
          Dim nAdj As Single = CType((nLeftMargin + _
                      img.Width + nRightMargin), Single)
          rimage.Y += (recBounds.Height - img.Height) / 2
          tabTextArea.X += nAdj
          tabTextArea.Width -= nAdj
          g.DrawImage(img, rimage)
      End If

      Dim stringFormat As StringFormat = New StringFormat
      stringFormat.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
      stringFormat.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
      If FlagControl Then
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Show
      Else
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Hide
      End If
      Dim br As Brush
      br = New SolidBrush(tabPage.ForeColor)
      g.DrawString(tabPage.Text, Font, br, tabTextArea, stringFormat)
  End Sub

  'add a reference to the TabControl into the new project and drag the
  TabControl to your form.


  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov



From nd500_lo at charter.net  Tue Apr 25 20:19:08 2006
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:19:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: <000b01c666d9$d0da1f50$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <000001c668cf$70ebd320$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will do
it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Apr 25 22:43:09 2006
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:13:09 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying
	Passwordargument	 for currently open db.
References: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt> <444E8048.5020109@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <006401c668e4$2dd9abb0$e11765cb@pcadt>

    My sincere thanks Marty!  I shall explore the feasibility of adapting it to current version.

A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 01:32
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Passwordargument for currently open db.


  For 97 this was easy
  http://www.trigeminal.com/code/DatabasePassword.bas


  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:

  >    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.
  >
  >    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
  >                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"
  >
  >    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?
  >
  >    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.
  >
  >TIA
  >A.D.Tejpal
  >---------------
  >  
  >

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Apr 26 06:18:38 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:18:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625670@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

You can do it by creating a DTS ActiveX script from SQL server.  Then
schedule the task from SQL server.  You have to use VB, not VBA.

Function PrintReport()
 Dim objDB
 Set objDB = CreateObject("Access.Application")
 objDB.OpenCurrentDatabase("C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office10\Samples\Northwind.mdb")
 objDB.DoCmd.OpenReport "prtOpenedProjects", 0
 objDB.CloseCurrentDatabase
 objDB.Quit
 PrintReport = DTSTaskExecResult_Success
End Function 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will
do it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to
send a canned email)?

John W. Colby
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Apr 26 08:29:10 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:29:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625673@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have added this as a custom control so that I can drag and drop it
like we do in Access.  I found a good site last week for all kinds of
goodies:
http://www.startvbdotnet.com/extras/user.aspx
Details how to add your own custom control to your library. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Karen - I have created a new Windows form, added a tab control, pasted
the code inside the form's class.

I am getting sytax errors on the me. lines at the top. Should these be
sitting inside an event associated with the tab control?

And when you say to set a reference to the tab control. do you mean via
[Project], [Add Reference]?

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.UserPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.AllPaintingInWmPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.DoubleBuffer, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.ResizeRedraw, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.SupportsTransparentBackColor, True)
  Then, you need to override the OnPaint event and draw your own
control.
  The basic steps involved are:

  Protected Overrides Function ProcessMnemonic(ByVal charCode As Char)
As
  Boolean
      For Each p As TabPage In Me.TabPages
          If Control.IsMnemonic(charCode, p.Text) Then
              Me.SelectedTab = p
              Me.Focus()
              Return True
          End If
      Next p
      Return False
  End Function 'ProcessMnemonic
            
  Protected Overrides Sub OnPaint(ByVal e As _
            System.Windows.Forms.PaintEventArgs)
      MyBase.OnPaint(e)
      DrawControl(e.Graphics)
  End Sub

  Friend Sub DrawControl(ByVal g As Graphics)
      If Not Visible Then
          Return
      End If
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      Dim TabControlArea As Rectangle = Me.ClientRectangle
      Dim TabArea As Rectangle = Me.DisplayRectangle
      TabArea.Y = TabArea.Y + 1
      TabArea.Width = TabArea.Width + 1
      Dim nDelta As Integer = SystemInformation.Border3DSize.Width
      TabArea.Inflate(nDelta, nDelta)
      render.DrawBackground(g, TabArea)
        
      Dim i As Integer = 0
      While i < Me.TabCount
          DrawTab(g, Me.TabPages(i), i)
          i += 1
      End While
        
  End Sub
            
  Friend Sub DrawTab(ByVal g As Graphics, ByVal tabPage _
             As TabPage, ByVal nIndex As Integer)
      Dim recBounds As Rectangle = Me.GetTabRect(nIndex)
        
      Dim tabTextArea As RectangleF = _
          CType(Me.GetTabRect(nIndex), RectangleF)
      Dim bSelected As Boolean = (Me.SelectedIndex = nIndex)
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
      If bSelected Then
          recBounds.Height = recBounds.Height + 10
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      Else
          recBounds.Y = recBounds.Y + 1
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Normal)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      End If
      If (tabPage.ImageIndex >= 0) AndAlso _
                  (Not (ImageList Is Nothing)) _
                  AndAlso (Not (ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex) _
                  Is Nothing)) Then
          Dim nLeftMargin As Integer = 8
          Dim nRightMargin As Integer = 2
          Dim img As Image = ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex)
          Dim rimage As Rectangle = New Rectangle(recBounds.X + _
                     nLeftMargin, recBounds.Y + 1, img.Width,
img.Height)
          Dim nAdj As Single = CType((nLeftMargin + _
                      img.Width + nRightMargin), Single)
          rimage.Y += (recBounds.Height - img.Height) / 2
          tabTextArea.X += nAdj
          tabTextArea.Width -= nAdj
          g.DrawImage(img, rimage)
      End If

      Dim stringFormat As StringFormat = New StringFormat
      stringFormat.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
      stringFormat.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
      If FlagControl Then
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Show
      Else
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Hide
      End If
      Dim br As Brush
      br = New SolidBrush(tabPage.ForeColor)
      g.DrawString(tabPage.Text, Font, br, tabTextArea, stringFormat)
  End Sub

  'add a reference to the TabControl into the new project and drag the
  TabControl to your form.


  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Apr 26 08:56:02 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:56:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625677@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Here is another good site, one that has a way to create custom rectangle
boxes on tab controls:
http://www.vb-helper.com/howto_net_ownerdraw_tab.html 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Karen - I have created a new Windows form, added a tab control, pasted
the code inside the form's class.

I am getting sytax errors on the me. lines at the top. Should these be
sitting inside an event associated with the tab control?

And when you say to set a reference to the tab control. do you mean via
[Project], [Add Reference]?

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.UserPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.AllPaintingInWmPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.DoubleBuffer, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.ResizeRedraw, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.SupportsTransparentBackColor, True)
  Then, you need to override the OnPaint event and draw your own
control.
  The basic steps involved are:

  Protected Overrides Function ProcessMnemonic(ByVal charCode As Char)
As
  Boolean
      For Each p As TabPage In Me.TabPages
          If Control.IsMnemonic(charCode, p.Text) Then
              Me.SelectedTab = p
              Me.Focus()
              Return True
          End If
      Next p
      Return False
  End Function 'ProcessMnemonic
            
  Protected Overrides Sub OnPaint(ByVal e As _
            System.Windows.Forms.PaintEventArgs)
      MyBase.OnPaint(e)
      DrawControl(e.Graphics)
  End Sub

  Friend Sub DrawControl(ByVal g As Graphics)
      If Not Visible Then
          Return
      End If
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      Dim TabControlArea As Rectangle = Me.ClientRectangle
      Dim TabArea As Rectangle = Me.DisplayRectangle
      TabArea.Y = TabArea.Y + 1
      TabArea.Width = TabArea.Width + 1
      Dim nDelta As Integer = SystemInformation.Border3DSize.Width
      TabArea.Inflate(nDelta, nDelta)
      render.DrawBackground(g, TabArea)
        
      Dim i As Integer = 0
      While i < Me.TabCount
          DrawTab(g, Me.TabPages(i), i)
          i += 1
      End While
        
  End Sub
            
  Friend Sub DrawTab(ByVal g As Graphics, ByVal tabPage _
             As TabPage, ByVal nIndex As Integer)
      Dim recBounds As Rectangle = Me.GetTabRect(nIndex)
        
      Dim tabTextArea As RectangleF = _
          CType(Me.GetTabRect(nIndex), RectangleF)
      Dim bSelected As Boolean = (Me.SelectedIndex = nIndex)
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
      If bSelected Then
          recBounds.Height = recBounds.Height + 10
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      Else
          recBounds.Y = recBounds.Y + 1
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Normal)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      End If
      If (tabPage.ImageIndex >= 0) AndAlso _
                  (Not (ImageList Is Nothing)) _
                  AndAlso (Not (ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex) _
                  Is Nothing)) Then
          Dim nLeftMargin As Integer = 8
          Dim nRightMargin As Integer = 2
          Dim img As Image = ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex)
          Dim rimage As Rectangle = New Rectangle(recBounds.X + _
                     nLeftMargin, recBounds.Y + 1, img.Width,
img.Height)
          Dim nAdj As Single = CType((nLeftMargin + _
                      img.Width + nRightMargin), Single)
          rimage.Y += (recBounds.Height - img.Height) / 2
          tabTextArea.X += nAdj
          tabTextArea.Width -= nAdj
          g.DrawImage(img, rimage)
      End If

      Dim stringFormat As StringFormat = New StringFormat
      stringFormat.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
      stringFormat.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
      If FlagControl Then
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Show
      Else
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Hide
      End If
      Dim br As Brush
      br = New SolidBrush(tabPage.ForeColor)
      g.DrawString(tabPage.Text, Font, br, tabTextArea, stringFormat)
  End Sub

  'add a reference to the TabControl into the new project and drag the
  TabControl to your form.


  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov

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From max at sherman.org.uk  Wed Apr 26 10:19:58 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:19:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWZt4UlhGRNs4nf35oT6aTEwiMA
Message-ID: <000001c66944$e2757940$746b1152@Max>

Hi All,

I am using Office3k.

I can set up a scheduled event
(Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Scheduled Tasks)

I can set it to open Outlook or Access or anything at the set dates/times,
etc.

When I open Access with the Scheduler it runs the Autoexec macro just fine
and in there I can tell it what to do.

When I try to do the same in Outlook it fails to run the
Application_Startup() function.

The following applies:
1. Macro security is set to low.
2. There is nothing disabled in "Help About Microsoft Office/Disabled Items"
3. The function works fine if manually invoked (Run button or F5).
4. It just won't run when the application loads (even using the exact
example from Outlook help)

Any ideas?  I suppose I could create an Outlook object and see if that
works, but I would like to run Outlook directly from the Scheduler in the
same way that I can run Access.

Regards

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen S.
(CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: 26 April 2006 12:19
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

You can do it by creating a DTS ActiveX script from SQL server.  Then
schedule the task from SQL server.  You have to use VB, not VBA.

Function PrintReport()
 Dim objDB
 Set objDB = CreateObject("Access.Application")
 objDB.OpenCurrentDatabase("C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office10\Samples\Northwind.mdb")
 objDB.DoCmd.OpenReport "prtOpenedProjects", 0
 objDB.CloseCurrentDatabase
 objDB.Quit
 PrintReport = DTSTaskExecResult_Success
End Function 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will
do it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to
send a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr 26 10:34:09 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:34:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5C2D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

We looked at the third party tools because we were porting over an app
based on an Access predecessor.  ActiveReports has a wizard that helps
convert an Access report to .Net and in other ways is fairly similar to
the Access report generator.  Since we have perhaps 150 reports and
subreports to convert, that weighed heavily in the decision to go with
ActiveReports.

The Infragistics and other controls are built on the vanilla tools
offered in .Net but have been customized to allow easier access to the
methods and properties we want to control.  They give us the basic
functionality plus exposing properties through an interface that would
have to be handled in code in the native objects.  It has nothing to do
with .Net being buggy ... All software is buggy, after all.
ActiveReports does have a chart tool, but we decided to use ComponentOne
after a lot of comparisons and playing with them and pushing their
limits.  I haven't worked with either the ActiveReports or ComponentOne
chart tools, so I can't tell you much about them except that one of our
guys has produced some very slick graphics with them. 


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Charlotte - I am surprised by how *many* 3rd party tools you use - why
do you use them for things like tabs, combos, date/time controls, text
boxes? And is that something you would revisit with the new .net or have
you gone that way because the new .net is buggy or ??? Are there some
that you would particularly recommend?

I will have a look at ActiveReports as one of my requirements for this
system is for charts.

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind
of
  app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
  because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things
that
  aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
  languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
  the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
  specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.
We
  use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
  tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
  grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
  ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers)
rather
  than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
  tools. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Charlotte,

  Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
  product like Infragistics is not used?

  Dan 
   


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
  Foust
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
  MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the
Access
  version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined
with
  panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
  VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.
Only
  Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Hi Charlotte,

  I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this
be
  called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
  wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

  Thanks!
  Dan 
   


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
  Foust
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
  days, so I'm out of date. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Tabs on the left with horizontal text


  Kath



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  > Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
  > side, or did you mean vertical text?
  >
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
  Pelletti
  > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
  > To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
  > Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
  >
  > (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
  >
  > I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
  > text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
  > [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
  then
  > they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
  >
  > Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
  way?
  > I can't find it....
  >
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr 26 11:23:29 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:23:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12625.1146065673.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF0267CA42.4DEA8FCE-ON8525715C.0059E916-8525715C.005A1084@is002023.gdls.com>

Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 26 11:44:14 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:44:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question
Message-ID: <s44fbf96.076@cactus.dk>

Hi Tom

Recently I joined a presentation on WinFX Windows Workflow Foundation:

http://www.windowsworkflow.net 

Quite impressive and perhaps overkill for your need, but lots of papers and info at this site.

/gustav

>>> ewaldt at gdls.com 26-04-2006 18:23:29 >>>
Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 26 11:51:33 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:51:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00f301c668c8$9f710550$6601a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <444FA515.1030805@shaw.ca>

I have used TeeChart for Access Charts, they have a similar control for 
.Net.
 
TeeChart for .NET v1 Lite and Pro versions
http://www.steema.com/products/teechart/whatsnew.html



Kath Pelletti wrote:

>Charlotte - I am surprised by how *many* 3rd party tools you use - why do you use them for things like tabs, combos, date/time controls, text boxes? And is that something you would revisit with the new .net or have you gone that way because the new .net is buggy or ??? Are there some that you would particularly recommend?
>
>I will have a look at ActiveReports as one of my requirements for this system is for charts.
>
>Kath
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Charlotte Foust 
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:54 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of
>  app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
>  because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
>  aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
>  languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
>  the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
>  specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  We
>  use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
>  tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
>  grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
>  ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers) rather
>  than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
>  tools. 
>
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>  Charlotte,
>
>  Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
>  product like Infragistics is not used?
>
>  Dan 
>   
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>  Foust
>  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
>  MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
>  version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>  panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>  VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
>  Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>  Hi Charlotte,
>
>  I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
>  called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
>  wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>
>  Thanks!
>  Dan 
>   
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>  Foust
>  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
>  days, so I'm out of date. 
>
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>  Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>
>
>  Kath
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  > Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>  > side, or did you mean vertical text?
>  >
>  >
>  > Charlotte Foust
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>  Pelletti
>  > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>  > To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>  > Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>  >
>  > (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>  >
>  > I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>  > text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>  > [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>  then
>  > they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>  >
>  > Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>  way?
>  > I can't find it....
>  >
>  > ______________________________________
>  > Kath Pelletti
>  > --
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Apr 26 12:51:40 2006
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:51:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156ABE@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 26 13:13:11 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:13:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <s44fd473.078@cactus.dk>

Hi Joe

We use this generic function to look up values in a range:

Function RLookup(ByVal rngLookup As Range, _
                 ByVal strField As String, _
                 Optional intSearchOrder As Integer = xlByRows, _
                 Optional intOffset As Integer = 1) As Variant

' Looks up a value in the named range rngLookup from the cell,
' offset intOffset rows below or columns right from the found cell.
'
' 2000-07-30.
' Cactus Data ApS, Gustav Brock

' Default intSearchOrder is xlByRows, as named ranges built this way
' are easily attached by Access.
  
  Dim rng       As Range
  Dim intRow    As Integer
  Dim intColumn As Integer
  
  ' No special errorhandling.
  On Error Resume Next

  If intSearchOrder = xlByRows Then
    ' Search by rows.
    ' Read from found row, offset intOffset rows, and found column.
  Else
    ' Search by columns.
    ' Read from found row and found column, offset intOffset columns.
    intSearchOrder = xlByColumns
  End If
  
  With rngLookup
    ' Start search from upper left cell in range by starting in lower right cell.
    ' Search case sensitive for whole words in values only.
    Set rng = .Find(strField, .Cells(.Rows.Count, .Columns.Count), xlValues, xlWhole, intSearchOrder, , True)
  End With
  If Not rng Is Nothing Then
    ' Searched value found.
    ' Lookup value to retrieve.
    With rng
      intRow = .Row - (intOffset * (intSearchOrder = xlByRows))
      intColumn = .Column - (intOffset * (intSearchOrder = xlByColumns))
      ' Return value, offset intOffset rows or columns from cell with found value.
      RLookup = .Worksheet.Cells(intRow, intColumn).Value
    End With
    Set rng = Nothing
  End If

End Function

You may be able to modify (simplify) it for your need.

/gustav

>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 26-04-2006 19:51:40 >>>
Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com 




From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr 26 13:16:24 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1146070807.23640.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF13962796.F07B6FE5-ON8525715C.0064250F-8525715C.006466AA@is002023.gdls.com>

Gustav, thanks, but I'm looking for something specific to Access, or at
least an RDBMS. I looked through this and it looks like it's a separate
app. Am I misunderstanding it?

Thanks,

Tom

------------------------------------

Hi Tom

Recently I joined a presentation on WinFX Windows Workflow Foundation:

http://www.windowsworkflow.net

Quite impressive and perhaps overkill for your need, but lots of papers and
info at this site.

/gustav

>>> ewaldt at gdls.com 26-04-2006 18:23:29 >>>
Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald



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From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:26:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625680@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

=IF(ISNA(VLOOKUP(E2,$A$2:$C$5,3,FALSE)),0,VLOOKUP(E2,$A$2:$C$5,3,FALSE))
would return 0  

I use this site for referencing formulas, etc.
http://www.techonthenet.com/excel/formulas/vlookup.php

The main menu is:
http://www.techonthenet.com/excel/formulas/index.php 


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Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP

Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
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From Steven.Peterson at qwest.com  Wed Apr 26 13:28:54 2006
From: Steven.Peterson at qwest.com (Peterson, Steve)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:28:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <5E6C0F4B8C8601448942896366748A5434E150@ITDENE2KM03.AD.QINTRA.COM>

Joe,

You can use the ISNA() function:

=If(ISNA(<your vlookup function>),0,<your vlookup function>)

HTH,
Steve 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP

Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Apr 26 13:35:50 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:35:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBD4@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I usually use iserror() which is more comprehensive than ISNA()
ex
=IF(ISERROR(VLOOKUP($A6,5,FALSE)),0,VLOOKUP($A6,5,FALSE))
Jim Hale

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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP


Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 26 13:37:42 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:37:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking Question
Message-ID: <s44fda1e.079@cactus.dk>

Hi Tom

No, you are right. But it could give you some ideas how to build your own Access system.
I haven't heard of a general tool for Access, most are custom built.
If you search our list for "state machine" and "workflow" you may find some old threads.

/gustav

>>> ewaldt at gdls.com 26-04-2006 20:16:24 >>>
Gustav, thanks, but I'm looking for something specific to Access, or at
least an RDBMS. I looked through this and it looks like it's a separate
app. Am I misunderstanding it?

Thanks,

Tom

------------------------------------

Hi Tom

Recently I joined a presentation on WinFX Windows Workflow Foundation:

http://www.windowsworkflow.net 

Quite impressive and perhaps overkill for your need, but lots of papers and
info at this site.

/gustav

>>> ewaldt at gdls.com 26-04-2006 18:23:29 >>>
Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 26 14:35:43 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:35:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question
In-Reply-To: <18326655.1146068893356.JavaMail.root@sniper22>
Message-ID: <000401c66968$9ca51e60$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Tom,

I do this with many of my applications.  

For example, the first thing that may happen in a record is that descriptive
information is entered, so I call that a Description Stage.  The Stage is a
field in the table, which has a corresponding textbox or label (in large
bold text) on the form.  This tells the user (and the database code) where
the record is in its workflow path.  The stage is not changed by people, but
only in code.  To change the code, all the activities within a stage must be
completed - when they are the database recognizes that and changes the Stage
to whatever is next.  Form controls in previous stages are locked so no more
changes can be made when someone is making a decision based on information
in a previous stage.

For you, when the last person has approved or disapproved, this can cause
the Stage to move to what's next.

By the way, keep a StageSort integer field up to date with the Stage field
so you can sort reports by Stage, because the Stage names won't be in
alphabetical order.

Hope this helps!
Dan 
 


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Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question


Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 26 14:59:16 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:59:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying	Passwordargument
 for currently open db.
References: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt> <444E8048.5020109@shaw.ca>
	<006401c668e4$2dd9abb0$e11765cb@pcadt>
Message-ID: <444FD114.6070408@shaw.ca>

I knew I had it somewhere from a couple of years ago, this works for 
Access 2000-2003
They use an XOR on the file creation datestamp, now this method may not work
in some situations like an mde or an encrypted file, I haven't checked.

Now everyone should know this method of security is easily circumvented.
so I am posting it here. Variations of this code are available on the web.

Dim NullDate As Date
Private Declare Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias 
"GetTempPathA" (ByVal nBufferLength As Long, _
ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long
Private Declare Function GetTempFileName Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias 
"GetTempFileNameA" (ByVal lpszPath As String, _
ByVal lpPrefixString As String, ByVal wUnique As Long, ByVal 
lpTempFileName As String) As Long

Private Type FILETIME
dwLowDateTime As Long
dwHighDateTime As Long
End Type

Private Type BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION
dwFileAttributes As Long
ftCreationTime As FILETIME
ftLastAccessTime As FILETIME
ftLastWriteTime As FILETIME
dwVolumeSerialNumber As Long
nFileSizeHigh As Long
nFileSizeLow As Long
nNumberOfLinks As Long
nFileIndexHigh As Long
nFileIndexLow As Long
End Type

Private Type SYSTEMTIME
wYear As Integer
wMonth As Integer
wDayOfWeek As Integer
wDay As Integer
wHour As Integer
wMinute As Integer
wSecond As Integer
wMilliseconds As Integer
End Type

Private Const OFS_MAXPATHNAME = 128
Private Const OF_READ = &H0

Private Type OFSTRUCT
cBytes As Byte
fFixedDisk As Byte
nErrCode As Integer
Reserved1 As Integer
Reserved2 As Integer
szPathName(OFS_MAXPATHNAME) As Byte
End Type

Private Declare Function GetFileInformationByHandle Lib "kernel32" 
(ByVal hfile As Long, lpFileInformation As _
BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION) As Long
Private Declare Function FileTimeToSystemTime Lib "kernel32" (lpFileTime 
As FILETIME, lpSystemTime As _
SYSTEMTIME) As Long
Private Declare Function FileTimeToLocalFileTime Lib "kernel32" 
(lpFileTime As FILETIME, lpLocalFileTime As _
FILETIME) As Long
Private Declare Function OpenFile Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpFileName As 
String, lpReOpenBuff As OFSTRUCT, _
ByVal wStyle As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As 
Long) As Long


Public Function GetFileDate(File As String) As Date
Dim fhi As BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION
Dim ctime As FILETIME, atime As FILETIME, wtime As FILETIME
Dim ftime As SYSTEMTIME
Dim buff As OFSTRUCT
Dim rval As Long, hfile As Long
hfile = OpenFile(File, buff, OF_READ)
If hfile = -1 Then
GetFileDate = NullDate
Else
GetFileInformationByHandle hfile, fhi
ctime = fhi.ftCreationTime
'Convert File Time Zone to Local
rval = FileTimeToLocalFileTime(ctime, ctime)
'Convert File Time Format to System Time Format
rval = FileTimeToSystemTime(ctime, ftime)
GetFileDate = ftime.wDay & "/" & ftime.wMonth & "/" & ftime.wYear & " " 
& ftime.wHour & ":" & ftime.wMinute & ":" & ftime.wSecond
End If
CloseHandle hfile
End Function

Public Function GuessAccess2000Password(ProtectedFile As String) As String
' The trick of this function is that Access 2000 codifies your password by
' making the XOR of it and a mask. I don't know the algorithm to get 
this mask
' but I do know that it only depends on the creation date of the database.
' So the proccess is: create a dummy database with the same date as the 
protected
' database, and then make the XOR of the encrypted bytes of the 
protected database
' and the password-less database we create in this process.
Dim n As Long, s1 As String * 1, s2 As String * 1
Dim Password As String
Dim x1 As Byte, x2 As Byte
Dim TempFile As String
Dim DateFile As Date, PreviousDate As Date
Dim Handle1 As Long, Handle2 As Long

' Get the creation date of the protected database
DateFile = GetFileDate(ProtectedFile)
If DateFile = NullDate Then
GuessAccess2000Password = "Can't open database file. Maybe you have it 
open in exclusive mode"
Exit Function
End If
' Create a temporary file in the Temp directory of windows
TempFile = TempPath & "temp.mdb"
' Remove the temporary file if it exists
If Dir(TempFile) <> "" Then
Kill TempFile
End If

' Keep the system date, then set it to the same date as the protected 
database
PreviousDate = Date
Date = DateFile
' Create the database, which will have so the same date as the protected 
database
CreateDatabase TempFile, dbLangGeneral

' We can restore now the real date
Date = PreviousDate

Handle1 = FreeFile
Open TempFile For Binary As #Handle1
Handle2 = FreeFile
Open ProtectedFile For Binary As #Handle2
Password = ""
Seek #Handle1, &H43
Seek #Handle2, &H43
' The maximum length of the password is 20 characters
For n = 0 To 19
x1 = Asc(Input(1, Handle1))
x2 = Asc(Input(1, Handle2))
If x1 <> x2 Then
Password = Password & Chr(x1 Xor x2)
End If
' We skip the even positions, because the password is stored using
' two bytes per character
x1 = Asc(Input(1, Handle1))
x2 = Asc(Input(1, Handle2))
Next
Close 1
Close 2
Kill TempFile
GuessAccess2000Password = Password
End Function

Private Function TempPath() As String
' Generate a temporary file path to ?????.TMP, where (path)
' is Windows's temporary file directory and ???? is a randomly assigned 
unique value.
' Then display the name of the created file on the screen.
Dim Path As String ' receives name of temporary file path
Dim TempFile As String ' receives name of temporary file
Dim slength As Long ' receives length of string returned for the path
Dim lastfour As Long ' receives hex value of the randomly assigned ????
' Get Windows's temporary file path
Path = Space(255) ' initialize the buffer to receive the path
slength = GetTempPath(255, Path) ' read the path name
TempPath = Left(Path, slength) ' extract data from the variable
End Function

Sub testit()
' NOte 1: Put a reference to Microsoft DAO 3.6
' Note 2: You cannot have the database opened in exclusive mode while 
you execute this procedure
Debug.Print GuessAccess2000Password("C:\Access files\Security\Access 
2003 Security Macro\Macro security for runtime.mdb")
End Sub



A.D.TEJPAL wrote:

>    My sincere thanks Marty!  I shall explore the feasibility of adapting it to current version.
>
>A.D.Tejpal
>---------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: MartyConnelly 
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 01:32
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Passwordargument for currently open db.
>
>
>  For 97 this was easy
>  http://www.trigeminal.com/code/DatabasePassword.bas
>
>
>  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:
>
>  >    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.
>  >
>  >    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
>  >                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"
>  >
>  >    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?
>  >
>  >    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.
>  >
>  >TIA
>  >A.D.Tejpal
>  >---------------
>  >  
>  >
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Apr 26 15:45:34 2006
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:45:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156AC0@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Thanks to everyone for the quick responses!

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com


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S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP

=IF(ISNA(VLOOKUP(E2,$A$2:$C$5,3,FALSE)),0,VLOOKUP(E2,$A$2:$C$5,3,FALSE))
would return 0  

I use this site for referencing formulas, etc.
http://www.techonthenet.com/excel/formulas/vlookup.php

The main menu is:
http://www.techonthenet.com/excel/formulas/index.php 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP

Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 26 15:48:42 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:48:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question
In-Reply-To: <OF0267CA42.4DEA8FCE-ON8525715C.0059E916-8525715C.005A1084@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <mailman.12625.1146065673.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4450694A.1422.377CB862@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 26 Apr 2006 at 12:23, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:

> Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
> database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
> levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.
> 

I generally use a status field and write date/time,username and existing 
status into a logfile every time the status changes.
-- 
Stuart




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Apr 26 21:26:27 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:26:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Pulling values from a spreadsheet embedded in a word
	document
In-Reply-To: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156ABE@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <000001c669a1$fc79a700$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Folks,

Have any of you had experience in accessing values in a spreadsheet embedded
in a Word document via code from Access?  I have been asked if I could come
up with a method of scanning through a directory of documents, and pull
values from spreadsheets embedded in them.  I have done a little looking at
the Word object model and on the web but it doesn't seem intuitive, at least
to me.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks 

Doug



From darrend at nimble.com.au  Wed Apr 26 21:39:03 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:39:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
Message-ID: <20060427023903.NRAE847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software
So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1 Results etc
but the final column is the 
one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value
but this is the other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole
row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 26 21:49:42 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:49:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <3200575.1146105689332.JavaMail.root@sniper38>
Message-ID: <000501c669a5$3d4ec2d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each would
be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel - maybe
absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy once and
paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the row.

Dan 


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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1
Results etc but the final column is the 
one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is the
other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Wed Apr 26 23:36:44 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:36:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <000501c669a5$3d4ec2d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <20060427043644.OXWJ17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi Dan
If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
following...
   if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
 
But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from Cell A1 to
a19

That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a value in
a cell
Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value in that cell


Darren
------------------------------

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each would be
to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel - maybe absolute
references in the CF expression would allow you to copy once and paste into the
CF expression field for the other cells in the row.

Dan 


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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1
Results etc but the final column is the one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is the other
way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Apr 26 23:51:19 2006
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:21:19 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase -
	Supplying	Passwordargumentfor currently open db.
References: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt> 
	<444E8048.5020109@shaw.ca><006401c668e4$2dd9abb0$e11765cb@pcadt> 
	<444FD114.6070408@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <010a01c669b6$53b19870$a51b65cb@pcadt>

Marty,

    Really amazing, the way you come up with such gems. Thanks again.

A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 01:29
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Passwordargumentfor currently open db.


  I knew I had it somewhere from a couple of years ago, this works for 
  Access 2000-2003
  They use an XOR on the file creation datestamp, now this method may not work in some situations like an mde or an encrypted file, I haven't checked.

  Now everyone should know this method of security is easily circumvented.
  so I am posting it here. Variations of this code are available on the web.

  Dim NullDate As Date
  Private Declare Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias 
  "GetTempPathA" (ByVal nBufferLength As Long, _
  ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long
  Private Declare Function GetTempFileName Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias 
  "GetTempFileNameA" (ByVal lpszPath As String, _
  ByVal lpPrefixString As String, ByVal wUnique As Long, ByVal 
  lpTempFileName As String) As Long

  Private Type FILETIME
  dwLowDateTime As Long
  dwHighDateTime As Long
  End Type

  Private Type BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION
  dwFileAttributes As Long
  ftCreationTime As FILETIME
  ftLastAccessTime As FILETIME
  ftLastWriteTime As FILETIME
  dwVolumeSerialNumber As Long
  nFileSizeHigh As Long
  nFileSizeLow As Long
  nNumberOfLinks As Long
  nFileIndexHigh As Long
  nFileIndexLow As Long
  End Type

  Private Type SYSTEMTIME
  wYear As Integer
  wMonth As Integer
  wDayOfWeek As Integer
  wDay As Integer
  wHour As Integer
  wMinute As Integer
  wSecond As Integer
  wMilliseconds As Integer
  End Type

  Private Const OFS_MAXPATHNAME = 128
  Private Const OF_READ = &H0

  Private Type OFSTRUCT
  cBytes As Byte
  fFixedDisk As Byte
  nErrCode As Integer
  Reserved1 As Integer
  Reserved2 As Integer
  szPathName(OFS_MAXPATHNAME) As Byte
  End Type

  Private Declare Function GetFileInformationByHandle Lib "kernel32" 
  (ByVal hfile As Long, lpFileInformation As _
  BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION) As Long
  Private Declare Function FileTimeToSystemTime Lib "kernel32" (lpFileTime 
  As FILETIME, lpSystemTime As _
  SYSTEMTIME) As Long
  Private Declare Function FileTimeToLocalFileTime Lib "kernel32" 
  (lpFileTime As FILETIME, lpLocalFileTime As _
  FILETIME) As Long
  Private Declare Function OpenFile Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpFileName As 
  String, lpReOpenBuff As OFSTRUCT, _
  ByVal wStyle As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As 
  Long) As Long


  Public Function GetFileDate(File As String) As Date
  Dim fhi As BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION
  Dim ctime As FILETIME, atime As FILETIME, wtime As FILETIME
  Dim ftime As SYSTEMTIME
  Dim buff As OFSTRUCT
  Dim rval As Long, hfile As Long
  hfile = OpenFile(File, buff, OF_READ)
  If hfile = -1 Then
  GetFileDate = NullDate
  Else
  GetFileInformationByHandle hfile, fhi
  ctime = fhi.ftCreationTime
  'Convert File Time Zone to Local
  rval = FileTimeToLocalFileTime(ctime, ctime)
  'Convert File Time Format to System Time Format
  rval = FileTimeToSystemTime(ctime, ftime)
  GetFileDate = ftime.wDay & "/" & ftime.wMonth & "/" & ftime.wYear & " " 
  & ftime.wHour & ":" & ftime.wMinute & ":" & ftime.wSecond
  End If
  CloseHandle hfile
  End Function

  Public Function GuessAccess2000Password(ProtectedFile As String) As String
  ' The trick of this function is that Access 2000 codifies your password by
  ' making the XOR of it and a mask. I don't know the algorithm to get 
  this mask
  ' but I do know that it only depends on the creation date of the database.
  ' So the proccess is: create a dummy database with the same date as the 
  protected
  ' database, and then make the XOR of the encrypted bytes of the 
  protected database
  ' and the password-less database we create in this process.
  Dim n As Long, s1 As String * 1, s2 As String * 1
  Dim Password As String
  Dim x1 As Byte, x2 As Byte
  Dim TempFile As String
  Dim DateFile As Date, PreviousDate As Date
  Dim Handle1 As Long, Handle2 As Long

  ' Get the creation date of the protected database
  DateFile = GetFileDate(ProtectedFile)
  If DateFile = NullDate Then
  GuessAccess2000Password = "Can't open database file. Maybe you have it 
  open in exclusive mode"
  Exit Function
  End If
  ' Create a temporary file in the Temp directory of windows
  TempFile = TempPath & "temp.mdb"
  ' Remove the temporary file if it exists
  If Dir(TempFile) <> "" Then
  Kill TempFile
  End If

  ' Keep the system date, then set it to the same date as the protected 
  database
  PreviousDate = Date
  Date = DateFile
  ' Create the database, which will have so the same date as the protected 
  database
  CreateDatabase TempFile, dbLangGeneral

  ' We can restore now the real date
  Date = PreviousDate

  Handle1 = FreeFile
  Open TempFile For Binary As #Handle1
  Handle2 = FreeFile
  Open ProtectedFile For Binary As #Handle2
  Password = ""
  Seek #Handle1, &H43
  Seek #Handle2, &H43
  ' The maximum length of the password is 20 characters
  For n = 0 To 19
  x1 = Asc(Input(1, Handle1))
  x2 = Asc(Input(1, Handle2))
  If x1 <> x2 Then
  Password = Password & Chr(x1 Xor x2)
  End If
  ' We skip the even positions, because the password is stored using
  ' two bytes per character
  x1 = Asc(Input(1, Handle1))
  x2 = Asc(Input(1, Handle2))
  Next
  Close 1
  Close 2
  Kill TempFile
  GuessAccess2000Password = Password
  End Function

  Private Function TempPath() As String
  ' Generate a temporary file path to ?????.TMP, where (path)
  ' is Windows's temporary file directory and ???? is a randomly assigned 
  unique value.
  ' Then display the name of the created file on the screen.
  Dim Path As String ' receives name of temporary file path
  Dim TempFile As String ' receives name of temporary file
  Dim slength As Long ' receives length of string returned for the path
  Dim lastfour As Long ' receives hex value of the randomly assigned ????
  ' Get Windows's temporary file path
  Path = Space(255) ' initialize the buffer to receive the path
  slength = GetTempPath(255, Path) ' read the path name
  TempPath = Left(Path, slength) ' extract data from the variable
  End Function

  Sub testit()
  ' NOte 1: Put a reference to Microsoft DAO 3.6
  ' Note 2: You cannot have the database opened in exclusive mode while 
  you execute this procedure
  Debug.Print GuessAccess2000Password("C:\Access files\Security\Access 
  2003 Security Macro\Macro security for runtime.mdb")
  End Sub



  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:

  >    My sincere thanks Marty!  I shall explore the feasibility of adapting it to current version.
  >
  >A.D.Tejpal
  >---------------
  >
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: MartyConnelly 
  >  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  >  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 01:32
  >  Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Passwordargument for currently open db.
  >
  >
  >  For 97 this was easy
  >  http://www.trigeminal.com/code/DatabasePassword.bas
  >
  >
  >  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:
  >
  >  >    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.
  >  >
  >  >    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
  >  >                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"
  >  >
  >  >    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?
  >  >
  >  >    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.
  >  >
  >  >TIA
  >  >A.D.Tejpal
  >  >---------------

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 27 01:23:53 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:23:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <20060427043644.OXWJ17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
References: <000501c669a5$3d4ec2d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4450F019.17175.BB47EC8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 27 Apr 2006 at 14:36, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Dan
> If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
> following...
>    if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
> 
> But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from
> Cell A1 to a19
> 
> That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a
> value in a cell Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value
> in that cell
> 

To highlight all the cells in a row when column H contains the text "Passed":

Select cell A1.
Set your Conditional Format to:  Formula is  = $H1 = "Passed"
Copy the cell.
Select the range that you want the formatting to apply to.
Right Click, Paste Special - Formats






From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 27 09:34:58 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:34:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
	Command
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403556A79@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Paul,

Menu bar objects can take 1 parameter if that's what you need.  I pulled
this code from a demo of a class-based menu creation tool I wrote.
Hopefully this snip is enough to get you going.

Private m_cbrctlMenuItem As CommandBarControl 'module level variable

Public Function AddMenuItem(WhichMenu As CommandBarControl, ItemCaption
As String, _
                                DoOnClick As String, Optional NewGroup
As Boolean = False, _
                                Optional Parm As String) As Boolean
    Set m_cbrctlMenuItem =
WhichMenu.Controls.Add(Type:=msoControlButton)
    With m_cbrctlMenuItem
        .Caption = "your text here"
        .Style = msoButtonCaption
        .OnAction = DoOnClick
        .BeginGroup = NewGroup
        .Parameter = Parm
    End With
End Function 


Jim DeMarco

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paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:38 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
Command
Importance: High

To all,
I am using a couple of menu bars which call functions with no problem at
all, however I have a function which does everything I need for my new
menu bar with the exception of a couple of additional commands at the
end.  I tried making the function with a parameter ( function
CallMe(strType as String) ) and putting either a 1 or a 2 in the
parameter options, however it wont now run the function.  I would rather
not copy all the code again as this seems a bit of a waste to me.
So is there a way I can pass a parameter to a function from one of my
menu bar options.
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Apr 27 09:41:29 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:41:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On
	Action	Command
Message-ID: <13458390.1146148889423.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102>

Jim,
Thanks for email, I managed to suss out something similar but will keep the code for future reference.
Thanks again.
Paul Hartland





Message Received: Apr 27 2006, 03:36 PM
From: "Jim DeMarco" 
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action Command

Paul,

Menu bar objects can take 1 parameter if that's what you need. I pulled
this code from a demo of a class-based menu creation tool I wrote.
Hopefully this snip is enough to get you going.

Private m_cbrctlMenuItem As CommandBarControl 'module level variable

Public Function AddMenuItem(WhichMenu As CommandBarControl, ItemCaption
As String, _
DoOnClick As String, Optional NewGroup
As Boolean = False, _
Optional Parm As String) As Boolean
Set m_cbrctlMenuItem =
WhichMenu.Controls.Add(Type:=msoControlButton)
With m_cbrctlMenuItem
.Caption = "your text here"
.Style = msoButtonCaption
.OnAction = DoOnClick
.BeginGroup = NewGroup
.Parameter = Parm
End With
End Function 


Jim DeMarco

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paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:38 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
Command
Importance: High

To all,
I am using a couple of menu bars which call functions with no problem at
all, however I have a function which does everything I need for my new
menu bar with the exception of a couple of additional commands at the
end. I tried making the function with a parameter ( function
CallMe(strType as String) ) and putting either a 1 or a 2 in the
parameter options, however it wont now run the function. I would rather
not copy all the code again as this seems a bit of a waste to me.
So is there a way I can pass a parameter to a function from one of my
menu bar options.
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
Paul Hartland
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Apr 27 10:23:00 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:23:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBD8@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Here is a different method to try. Place these sub routines as code behind
the sheet in question. Type the word "Passed" in a cell. (BTW the routines
are case sensitive) It doesn't matter which cell as long as there are at
least 5 more columns to the right. The first sub routine changes that cell
and the cells in the first five columns to the right to red when you exit
the cell. The A1:F1 reference is relative to the activecell. If the word
Passed is already in the cell the second sub will change the cell and the
cells in the first five columns to the right to red when you click on the
cell.    HTH

Jim Hale

Private Sub Worksheet_Change(ByVal Target As Range)
If Target.Value = "Passed" Then
    Target.Range("A1:F1").Font.ColorIndex = 3
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub Worksheet_SelectionChange(ByVal Target As Range)
On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
If ActiveCell.Value = "Passed" Then
    ActiveCell.Range("A1:F1").Font.ColorIndex = 3
              
End If
PROC_ERR:
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each would
be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel - maybe
absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy once and
paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the row.

Dan 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1
Results etc but the final column is the 
one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is the
other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Apr 27 10:43:09 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:43:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBD9@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

PS these routines change the font color (not the cell background itself) so
there has to be something in the cells to the right to be able to see the
change. :-)
Jim Hale 

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From: Hale, Jim [mailto:Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Here is a different method to try. Place these sub routines as code behind
the sheet in question. Type the word "Passed" in a cell. (BTW the routines
are case sensitive) It doesn't matter which cell as long as there are at
least 5 more columns to the right. The first sub routine changes that cell
and the cells in the first five columns to the right to red when you exit
the cell. The A1:F1 reference is relative to the activecell. If the word
Passed is already in the cell the second sub will change the cell and the
cells in the first five columns to the right to red when you click on the
cell.    HTH

Jim Hale

Private Sub Worksheet_Change(ByVal Target As Range)
If Target.Value = "Passed" Then
    Target.Range("A1:F1").Font.ColorIndex = 3
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub Worksheet_SelectionChange(ByVal Target As Range)
On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
If ActiveCell.Value = "Passed" Then
    ActiveCell.Range("A1:F1").Font.ColorIndex = 3
              
End If
PROC_ERR:
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each would
be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel - maybe
absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy once and
paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the row.

Dan 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1
Results etc but the final column is the 
one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is the
other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 27 13:07:57 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:07:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic subform loading
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBD9@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <4451087D.9090602@shaw.ca>

Thought this article and method might be of interest to those having 
performance problems
on multiple tabbed subforms with say ten tabs and 10's of thousands of 
records.
I remember a couple of people asking about it a few months back.

There aren't any subforms embedded on the tab-pages. There is one 
unbound subform
object floating around. Through code, it is dynamically resized, moved and
loaded with the correct subform, depending on which tab page is selected.

 www.databasejournal.com/features/msaccess/article.php/3599781 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 27 13:27:10 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:27:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic subform loading
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5C69@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I've done that before too, but I also put unbound subform controls on
individual tabs and then load them in the tabchange event if they aren't
already loaded.  I don't know which is faster because I've never tried
comparing the two approaches.  Has anyone?


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic subform loading

Thought this article and method might be of interest to those having
performance problems on multiple tabbed subforms with say ten tabs and
10's of thousands of records.
I remember a couple of people asking about it a few months back.

There aren't any subforms embedded on the tab-pages. There is one
unbound subform object floating around. Through code, it is dynamically
resized, moved and loaded with the correct subform, depending on which
tab page is selected.

 www.databasejournal.com/features/msaccess/article.php/3599781 

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Canada



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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Thu Apr 27 16:47:46 2006
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:47:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: <000001c668cf$70ebd320$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <005201c66a44$38dee550$0400a8c0@PC1>

Hi John,

It's not clear to me what the environment settings in your case are like but
you could ofcourse write your own piece of code in an MDB to schedule and
send the mail using Outlook MAPI and have an Access instance 24/7 running.
If coding like this is not an option and the macro already exists, I assume
the macro does the complete job and all you need is the scheduling part,
then why not use the Outlook object model in an Access mdb and again keep it
running 24/7 and have vba code execute the macro using the objectmodel.

Ofcourse if you have SQL server around Karen's way is better in my opinion
since running Acces 24/7 would not be my first choice though windows also
has a scheduler which you could probably use(!). In this case not only could
you work with an ActiveX but also it would be possible to write some code to
execute an Access mdb (including an autoexec ofcourse) which triggers the
macro or a simple VB application, in both cases making use of the Outlook
object model.

I have to be honest though, I haven't checked the Object model for this
answer as we speak so there is a possiblity that using the object model is
out of the question regarding an Outlook macro but I assume it can be done
this way.

Hope it keeps your fantasy going;)

Regards,
Eric Starkenburg

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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will do
it as fast as I can...

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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

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From jeff at boyes.net  Thu Apr 27 18:37:48 2006
From: jeff at boyes.net (Jeff Boyes)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:37:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <20060427043644.OXWJ17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
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Darren,

You have to set each cell in the row to the same formula. (I have only
done this one cell at a time.) The formula would be the same in every
cell of the row: If Cell A20=passed, set the font to grey in THIS cell.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi Dan
If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
following...
   if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
 
But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from
Cell A1 to a19

That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a
value in a cell Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value
in that cell


Darren
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Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each
would be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel -
maybe absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy
once and paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the
row.

Dan 


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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy,
Test1 Results etc but the final column is the one that has final say on
what is done. If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be
grey font, italic font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply
cond formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is
the other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Apr 27 19:45:27 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:45:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
Message-ID: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>

Dear List:

According to my web developer, the referral date in my affiliate program 
is being stored as "time measured in the number of seconds since the 
Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00 GMT). Most programing 
languages/scripting languages will have functions to parse it and turn 
it into human readable time."

Is there such a VBA function?

MTIA

Rocky

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Date Field
Date: 	Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: 	Sergey Kushch <skushch at parasitehosting.com>
To: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
References: 	<4450E5F3.8090100 at san.rr.com>



Rocky,

That is stored in a common computer way to storing time: the time measured
in the number of seconds since the Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00
GMT). Most programing languages/scripting languages will have functions to
parse it and turn it into human readable time. It is convenient to store
dates like that because it is really easy to do queries for date ranges or
sorting the values.

What do you use to create the reports?

- Sergey

> Sergey:
>
> In the table affiliate_traffic the date field appears to be encoded
> somehow.  How do I extract the date from that field?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>



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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 20:40:11 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:40:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>
References: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604271840i3f53d050p7f680b19e7188742@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rocky,

If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like

OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")

Dateadd is described here...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp

That is what I would probably do anyway.

GK

On 4/27/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> According to my web developer, the referral date in my affiliate program
> is being stored as "time measured in the number of seconds since the
> Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00 GMT). Most programing
> languages/scripting languages will have functions to parse it and turn
> it into human readable time."
>
> Is there such a VBA function?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:        Re: Date Field
> Date:   Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From:   Sergey Kushch <skushch at parasitehosting.com>
> To:     Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> References:     <4450E5F3.8090100 at san.rr.com>
>
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> That is stored in a common computer way to storing time: the time measured
> in the number of seconds since the Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00
> GMT). Most programing languages/scripting languages will have functions to
> parse it and turn it into human readable time. It is convenient to store
> dates like that because it is really easy to do queries for date ranges or
> sorting the values.
>
> What do you use to create the reports?
>
> - Sergey
>
> > Sergey:
> >
> > In the table affiliate_traffic the date field appears to be encoded
> > somehow.  How do I extract the date from that field?
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > --
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Apr 27 21:01:12 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:01:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950604271840i3f53d050p7f680b19e7188742@mail.gmail.com>
References: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>
	<aea6c4950604271840i3f53d050p7f680b19e7188742@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44517768.1040608@san.rr.com>

Gary:

Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1: 
Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date 
only so I can count the hits by date. 

Thank you.

Rocky


Gary Kjos wrote:
> Hi Rocky,
>
> If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
> point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
> field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
> the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
> or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
>
> OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
>
> Dateadd is described here...
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp
>
> That is what I would probably do anyway.
>
> GK
>
> On 4/27/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>   
>> Dear List:
>>
>> According to my web developer, the referral date in my affiliate program
>> is being stored as "time measured in the number of seconds since the
>> Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00 GMT). Most programing
>> languages/scripting languages will have functions to parse it and turn
>> it into human readable time."
>>
>> Is there such a VBA function?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject:        Re: Date Field
>> Date:   Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
>> From:   Sergey Kushch <skushch at parasitehosting.com>
>> To:     Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>> References:     <4450E5F3.8090100 at san.rr.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> That is stored in a common computer way to storing time: the time measured
>> in the number of seconds since the Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00
>> GMT). Most programing languages/scripting languages will have functions to
>> parse it and turn it into human readable time. It is convenient to store
>> dates like that because it is really easy to do queries for date ranges or
>> sorting the values.
>>
>> What do you use to create the reports?
>>
>> - Sergey
>>
>>     
>>> Sergey:
>>>
>>> In the table affiliate_traffic the date field appears to be encoded
>>> somehow.  How do I extract the date from that field?
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rocky Smolin
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> 858-259-4334
>>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>
>> --
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>     
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 21:10:11 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:10:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <44517768.1040608@san.rr.com>
References: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>
	<aea6c4950604271840i3f53d050p7f680b19e7188742@mail.gmail.com>
	<44517768.1040608@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604271910g2186fc6er6852e1faf51ef751@mail.gmail.com>

Woohoo!  Glad I could help.

GK


On 4/27/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Gary:
>
> Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1:
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date
> only so I can count the hits by date.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
> > Hi Rocky,
> >
> > If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
> > point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
> > field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
> > the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
> > or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
> >
> > OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
> >
> > Dateadd is described here...
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp
> >
> > That is what I would probably do anyway.
> >
> > GK
> >
> > On 4/27/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear List:
> >>
> >> According to my web developer, the referral date in my affiliate program
> >> is being stored as "time measured in the number of seconds since the
> >> Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00 GMT). Most programing
> >> languages/scripting languages will have functions to parse it and turn
> >> it into human readable time."
> >>
> >> Is there such a VBA function?
> >>
> >> MTIA
> >>
> >> Rocky
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject:        Re: Date Field
> >> Date:   Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From:   Sergey Kushch <skushch at parasitehosting.com>
> >> To:     Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >> References:     <4450E5F3.8090100 at san.rr.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rocky,
> >>
> >> That is stored in a common computer way to storing time: the time measured
> >> in the number of seconds since the Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00
> >> GMT). Most programing languages/scripting languages will have functions to
> >> parse it and turn it into human readable time. It is convenient to store
> >> dates like that because it is really easy to do queries for date ranges or
> >> sorting the values.
> >>
> >> What do you use to create the reports?
> >>
> >> - Sergey
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sergey:
> >>>
> >>> In the table affiliate_traffic the date field appears to be encoded
> >>> somehow.  How do I extract the date from that field?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rocky
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Rocky Smolin
> >>> Beach Access Software
> >>> 858-259-4334
> >>> www.e-z-mrp.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rocky Smolin
> >> Beach Access Software
> >> 858-259-4334
> >> www.e-z-mrp.com
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
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> >
>
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 27 21:25:36 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:25:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: <005201c66a44$38dee550$0400a8c0@PC1>
Message-ID: <004801c66a6b$097a1b00$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

I wrote the macro in Outlook.  Currently it just runs when selected but it
would be nice to set it in an outlook "appointment" such that when the
appointment fired it ran the macro.  Seems so logical.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Hi John,

It's not clear to me what the environment settings in your case are like but
you could ofcourse write your own piece of code in an MDB to schedule and
send the mail using Outlook MAPI and have an Access instance 24/7 running.
If coding like this is not an option and the macro already exists, I assume
the macro does the complete job and all you need is the scheduling part,
then why not use the Outlook object model in an Access mdb and again keep it
running 24/7 and have vba code execute the macro using the objectmodel.

Ofcourse if you have SQL server around Karen's way is better in my opinion
since running Acces 24/7 would not be my first choice though windows also
has a scheduler which you could probably use(!). In this case not only could
you work with an ActiveX but also it would be possible to write some code to
execute an Access mdb (including an autoexec ofcourse) which triggers the
macro or a simple VB application, in both cases making use of the Outlook
object model.

I have to be honest though, I haven't checked the Object model for this
answer as we speak so there is a possiblity that using the object model is
out of the question regarding an Outlook macro but I assume it can be done
this way.

Hope it keeps your fantasy going;)

Regards,
Eric Starkenburg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will do
it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Fri Apr 28 02:43:12 2006
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:43:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] play wav file
Message-ID: <004a01c66a9b$ae2c45d0$eec2f63f@JOHN>

Is there a way to play a wav file when a form is opened?

John 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 28 03:58:03 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:58:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
Message-ID: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Gary and Rocky

Just a note: If possible, you should use a date value and not its string representation with DateAdd() even though the example uses a string:

Format(DateAdd("s",[date],#1/1/1970#),"Short Date")

It doesn't make much of a difference here but in other situations it might as the string will be converted to a date value using the local date/time settings. That will not happen for a date value.

/gustav

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 04:01 >>>
Gary:

Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1: 
Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date 
only so I can count the hits by date. 

Thank you.

Rocky


Gary Kjos wrote:
> Hi Rocky,
>
> If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
> point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
> field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
> the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
> or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
>
> OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
>
> Dateadd is described here...
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp 
>
> That is what I would probably do anyway.




From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 06:55:09 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:55:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>
References: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604280455j1d98b624jcf8c7214a3fe0e18@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gustav,

When I was typing my reply I did use the # characters around the date
instead of the " but I was swayed when I looked for the help file to
verify that the indicator tor seconds in dateadd was 's'. I saw that
they had the double quotes around the date in the example so I went
that way too even though it seemed wrong.

Thanks for pointing out the possible issues.

Gary

On 4/28/06, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Gary and Rocky
>
> Just a note: If possible, you should use a date value and not its string representation with DateAdd() even though the example uses a string:
>
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],#1/1/1970#),"Short Date")
>
> It doesn't make much of a difference here but in other situations it might as the string will be converted to a date value using the local date/time settings. That will not happen for a date value.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 04:01 >>>
> Gary:
>
> Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1:
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date
> only so I can count the hits by date.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
> > Hi Rocky,
> >
> > If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
> > point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
> > field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
> > the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
> > or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
> >
> > OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
> >
> > Dateadd is described here...
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp
> >
> > That is what I would probably do anyway.
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Apr 28 07:00:36 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:00:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>
References: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <445203E4.3030305@san.rr.com>

Gustav:

Do you mean the 1/1/1970?  Or the value returned by the expression?

Rocky


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Gary and Rocky
>
> Just a note: If possible, you should use a date value and not its string representation with DateAdd() even though the example uses a string:
>
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],#1/1/1970#),"Short Date")
>
> It doesn't make much of a difference here but in other situations it might as the string will be converted to a date value using the local date/time settings. That will not happen for a date value.
>
> /gustav
>
>   
>>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 04:01 >>>
>>>>         
> Gary:
>
> Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1: 
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date 
> only so I can count the hits by date. 
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>   
>> Hi Rocky,
>>
>> If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
>> point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
>> field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
>> the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
>> or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
>>
>> OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
>>
>> Dateadd is described here...
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp 
>>
>> That is what I would probably do anyway.
>>     
>
>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From gjgiever at myway.com  Fri Apr 28 07:09:25 2006
From: gjgiever at myway.com (Gary J. Giever)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:09:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] play wav file
Message-ID: <20060428120925.B988867EA3@mprdmxin.myway.com>


' This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
' It is not to be altered or distributed,
' except as part of an application.
' You are free to use it in any application,
' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'
' Code Courtesy of
' Dev Ashish
'
Public Const pcsSYNC = 0      ' wait until sound is finished playing
Public Const pcsASYNC = 1     ' don't wait for finish
Public Const pcsNODEFAULT = 2 ' play no default sound if sound doesn't exist
Public Const pcsLOOP = 8      ' play sound in an infinite loop (until next apiPlaySound)
Public Const pcsNOSTOP = 16   ' don't interrupt a playing sound

'Sound APIs
Private Declare Function apiPlaySound Lib "Winmm.dll" Alias "sndPlaySoundA" _
    (ByVal lpszSoundName As String, ByVal uFlags As Long) As Long

'AVI APIs
Private Declare Function apimciSendString Lib "Winmm.dll" Alias "mciSendStringA" _
    (ByVal lpstrCommand As String, ByVal lpstrReturnString As String, _
    ByVal uReturnLength As Long, ByVal hwndCallback As Long) As Long

Private Declare Function apimciGetErrorString Lib "Winmm.dll" _
    Alias "mciGetErrorStringA" (ByVal dwError As Long, _
    ByVal lpstrBuffer As String, ByVal uLength As Long) As Long


Function fPlayStuff(ByVal strFilename As String, _
            Optional intPlayMode As Integer) As Long
'MUST pass a filename _with_ extension
'Supports Wav, AVI, MID type files
Dim lngRet As Long
Dim strTemp As String

    Select Case LCase(fGetFileExt(strFilename))
        Case "wav":
            If Not IsMissing(intPlayMode) Then
                lngRet = apiPlaySound(strFilename, intPlayMode)
            Else
                MsgBox "Must specify play mode."
                Exit Function
            End If
        Case "avi", "mid":
            strTemp = String$(256, 0)
            lngRet = apimciSendString("play " & strFilename, strTemp, 255, 0)
    End Select
    fPlayStuff = lngRet
End Function
Function fStopStuff(ByVal strFilename As String)
'Stops a multimedia playback
Dim lngRet As Long
Dim strTemp As String
    Select Case LCase(fGetFileExt(strFilename))
        Case "Wav":
            lngRet = apiPlaySound(0, pcsASYNC)
        Case "avi", "mid":
            strTemp = String$(256, 0)
            lngRet = apimciSendString("stop " & strFilename, strTemp, 255, 0)
    End Select
    fStopStuff = lngRet
End Function

Private Function fGetFileExt(ByVal strFullPath As String) As String
Dim intPos As Integer, intLen As Integer
    intLen = Len(strFullPath)
    If intLen Then
        For intPos = intLen To 1 Step -1
            'Find the last \
            If Mid$(strFullPath, intPos, 1) = "." Then
                fGetFileExt = Mid$(strFullPath, intPos + 1)
                Exit Function
            End If
        Next intPos
    End If
End Function

Function fGetError(ByVal lngErrNum As Long) As String
    ' Translate the error code to a string
    Dim lngx As Long
    Dim strErr As String

    strErr = String$(256, 0)
    lngx = apimciGetErrorString(lngErrNum, strErr, 255)
    strErr = Left$(strErr, Len(strErr) - 1)
    fGetError = strErr
End Function
Function fatest()
Dim a As Long
    a = fPlayStuff("C:\winnt\clock.avi")
    'a = fStopStuff("C:\winnt\clock.avi")
End Function



Gary J. Giever, M.A.
Applications Developer
ACCMHS
3285 122nd Avenue
PO Drawer 130
Allegan, MI  49010


 --- On Fri 04/28, John Eget < joeget at vgernet.net > wrote:
From: John Eget [mailto: joeget at vgernet.net]
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:43:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] play wav file

Is there a way to play a wav file when a form is opened?John -- AccessD mailing listAccessD at databaseadvisors.comhttp://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessdWebsite: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 28 07:20:03 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:20:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
Message-ID: <s45224b9.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

> Do you mean the 1/1/1970?  

Yes, as shown. That's a fixed date.

/gustav

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 14:00:36 >>>
Gustav:

Do you mean the 1/1/1970?  Or the value returned by the expression?

Rocky


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Gary and Rocky
>
> Just a note: If possible, you should use a date value and not its string representation with DateAdd() even though the example uses a string:
>
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],#1/1/1970#),"Short Date")
>
> It doesn't make much of a difference here but in other situations it might as the string will be converted to a date value using the local date/time settings. That will not happen for a date value.
>
> /gustav
>
>   
>>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 04:01 >>>
>>>>         
> Gary:
>
> Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1: 
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date 
> only so I can count the hits by date. 
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>   
>> Hi Rocky,
>>
>> If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
>> point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
>> field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
>> the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
>> or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
>>
>> OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
>>
>> Dateadd is described here...
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp 
>>
>> That is what I would probably do anyway.




From viner at EUnet.yu  Fri Apr 28 07:30:04 2006
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:30:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] play wav file
References: <20060428120925.B988867EA3@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <001001c66abf$819f8210$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Search topic "Play a wav file (sound file) in an Access database" on 
http://www.techonthenet.com/access
Ervin


From: "Gary J. Giever" <gjgiever at myway.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] play wav file


>
> ' This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> ' It is not to be altered or distributed,
> ' except as part of an application.
> ' You are free to use it in any application,
> ' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
> '
> ' Code Courtesy of
> ' Dev Ashish
> '
> Public Const pcsSYNC = 0      ' wait until sound is finished playing
> Public Const pcsASYNC = 1     ' don't wait for finish
> Public Const pcsNODEFAULT = 2 ' play no default sound if sound doesn't 
> exist
> Public Const pcsLOOP = 8      ' play sound in an infinite loop (until next 
> apiPlaySound)
> Public Const pcsNOSTOP = 16   ' don't interrupt a playing sound
>
> 'Sound APIs
> Private Declare Function apiPlaySound Lib "Winmm.dll" Alias 
> "sndPlaySoundA" _
>    (ByVal lpszSoundName As String, ByVal uFlags As Long) As Long
>
> 'AVI APIs
> Private Declare Function apimciSendString Lib "Winmm.dll" Alias 
> "mciSendStringA" _
>    (ByVal lpstrCommand As String, ByVal lpstrReturnString As String, _
>    ByVal uReturnLength As Long, ByVal hwndCallback As Long) As Long
>
> Private Declare Function apimciGetErrorString Lib "Winmm.dll" _
>    Alias "mciGetErrorStringA" (ByVal dwError As Long, _
>    ByVal lpstrBuffer As String, ByVal uLength As Long) As Long
>
>
> Function fPlayStuff(ByVal strFilename As String, _
>            Optional intPlayMode As Integer) As Long
> 'MUST pass a filename _with_ extension
> 'Supports Wav, AVI, MID type files
> Dim lngRet As Long
> Dim strTemp As String
>
>    Select Case LCase(fGetFileExt(strFilename))
>        Case "wav":
>            If Not IsMissing(intPlayMode) Then
>                lngRet = apiPlaySound(strFilename, intPlayMode)
>            Else
>                MsgBox "Must specify play mode."
>                Exit Function
>            End If
>        Case "avi", "mid":
>            strTemp = String$(256, 0)
>            lngRet = apimciSendString("play " & strFilename, strTemp, 255, 
> 0)
>    End Select
>    fPlayStuff = lngRet
> End Function
> Function fStopStuff(ByVal strFilename As String)
> 'Stops a multimedia playback
> Dim lngRet As Long
> Dim strTemp As String
>    Select Case LCase(fGetFileExt(strFilename))
>        Case "Wav":
>            lngRet = apiPlaySound(0, pcsASYNC)
>        Case "avi", "mid":
>            strTemp = String$(256, 0)
>            lngRet = apimciSendString("stop " & strFilename, strTemp, 255, 
> 0)
>    End Select
>    fStopStuff = lngRet
> End Function
>
> Private Function fGetFileExt(ByVal strFullPath As String) As String
> Dim intPos As Integer, intLen As Integer
>    intLen = Len(strFullPath)
>    If intLen Then
>        For intPos = intLen To 1 Step -1
>            'Find the last \
>            If Mid$(strFullPath, intPos, 1) = "." Then
>                fGetFileExt = Mid$(strFullPath, intPos + 1)
>                Exit Function
>            End If
>        Next intPos
>    End If
> End Function
>
> Function fGetError(ByVal lngErrNum As Long) As String
>    ' Translate the error code to a string
>    Dim lngx As Long
>    Dim strErr As String
>
>    strErr = String$(256, 0)
>    lngx = apimciGetErrorString(lngErrNum, strErr, 255)
>    strErr = Left$(strErr, Len(strErr) - 1)
>    fGetError = strErr
> End Function
> Function fatest()
> Dim a As Long
>    a = fPlayStuff("C:\winnt\clock.avi")
>    'a = fStopStuff("C:\winnt\clock.avi")
> End Function
>
>
>
> Gary J. Giever, M.A.
> Applications Developer
> ACCMHS
> 3285 122nd Avenue
> PO Drawer 130
> Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
> --- On Fri 04/28, John Eget < joeget at vgernet.net > wrote:
> From: John Eget [mailto: joeget at vgernet.net]
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:43:12 -0400
> Subject: [AccessD] play wav file
>
> Is there a way to play a wav file when a form is opened?John -- AccessD 
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr 28 07:58:57 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:58:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] report on Access Devcon Las Vegas
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403556FEC@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Same impression I've gotten at other conferences.  Two words to
developers using M$ tools, Sharepoint and .NET.  At the last
DevConnections conference I (where Access was not represented but
Sharepoint and .NET were) I heard a lot of "just like Access" and
"similar to Access" when the speakers showed new data access tools like
grids and and master/detail controls. 

Now whether an Access-Sharepoint connection keeps Access development
alive or not we'll see...


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:07 PM
To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] report on Access Devcon Las Vegas

I thought I would report to the group some of my impressions on the
future of Access as presented at the "Advisor Summit" in Vegas this past
week.
First, I am very encouraged by the fact Microsoft appears to be pouring
substantial resources into Access so the rumors of Access's demise are
greatly exaggerated. Having said that, my strong impression is that they
are strengthening the product for power/personal users as opposed to
developers.
For example, they emphasized several times the experience of first
opening Access will provide a much richer interface with a lot of sample
databases to entice the new user to take the plunge. They contrasted
this with the current environment which isn't exactly intuitive when
opened for the first time. 

The item that drew the most groans of disbelief from developers was
Microsoft's promotion and re-emphasis on macros (of all things!). In
fact, the new sample databases will be written to use macros! While MS
claims the macros have been strengthened, the confusing old halt message
dialogue popped up when a macro they were running during the
presentation ran into trouble (sigh). Apparently the real issue is that
macros can run safely in sandbox mode whereas VBA will still be subject
to the same old security risks. Consequently new installs of Access will
have VBA security set to high similar (I think) to the security screen
Excel currently shows.  While I am hazy on all the particulars and the
exact ramifications of this, I have little doubt this will make
developer's lives more complicated. This strikes me as an exercise in
CYA for MS. 

I specifically asked if VBA was dead and the answer was definitely not,
in fact (according to the MS guys) the object models were being
improved, enhanced, etc. although I can't recall any specifics. ADPs,
however, appear to have no future and  I was encouraged not to start any
new projects using them. Also interesting was the fact that the infamous
Northwind is being rewritten. Apparently the debate within Microsoft is
how complicated the VBA code should be since this is basically an
example DB for newbies. My strong opinion to them was that the code
should be up to the highest standards.
This means using classes, function calls, error checking, naming
conventions, etc. IMHO when  newbies first venture into VBA they often
take Microsoft's examples as gospel. (I have to admit I did when I first
started) so Northwind should not be written by some summer intern.
Especially since users will be using macros much more, when they are
ready to venture into the world of VBA they should be exposed to the
best coding practices.
Anyway, if you have a strong opinion about what Northwind should look
like I can give you the email of the program manager who is trying to
figure out what to do. 

Anyway, it was a worthwhile conference although the slots didn't cut me
any slack. Apparently the money you take to Vegas stays in Vegas.

Jim Hale

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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Apr 28 08:39:15 2006
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:39:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C040E28E7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

I've set Conditional Formatting for an entire range.
The key is to choose a cell/row where you can set the parameters.
For example:  to apply CF to range B2:H20
Open a blank Worksheet
Highlight B2 through H20
Start with B2 and go towards H20
Open CF
Change "Cell Value Is" to "Formula Is"
In the formula type in =$A2=1
Then format by choosing a color for the cell
Click Add
Follow the above and choose a different color
Do it again for a third row color.
Close CF.

Test it.
By putting 1, 2, or 3 in column A the rows will change.

Any formula will work as long as the results are true/false.

HTH

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boyes
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

You have to set each cell in the row to the same formula. (I have only
done this one cell at a time.) The formula would be the same in every
cell of the row: If Cell A20=passed, set the font to grey in THIS cell.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi Dan
If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
following...
   if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
 
But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from
Cell A1 to a19

That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a
value in a cell Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value
in that cell


Darren
------------------------------

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each
would be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel -
maybe absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy
once and paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the
row.

Dan 


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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy,
Test1 Results etc but the final column is the one that has final say on
what is done. If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be
grey font, italic font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply
cond formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is
the other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Fri Apr 28 08:50:46 2006
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:50:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: between rock and hard place
Message-ID: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE04D8C28F@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>

 Hello all,

I've searched high and low.  I cannot seem to find what I'm looking for.
I don't want to give reasons why, but I need to capture all emails that
contain certain keywords in them from any EXCHANGE mailbox.  I need to
search subject, message body, and possibly attachment names.  

Anyway, the only tool I found was from QUEST "Recovery Manager for
Exchange".  
I'm Looking for alternatives, hopefully Access, VB, c#, anything that I
can do myself would be great.. Then again I'm open for suggestions.. 

If anyone can help guide me.. I would appreciate it.. 

Please respond off the list as this has nothing to do with Access... 

Thank You,
Rich 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 28 09:08:21 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:08:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: between rock and hard place
Message-ID: <s4523e05.011@cactus.dk>

Hi Rich

For e-mail handling in code we use the Chilkat Email ActiveX component that works nicely with Access VBA:

  http://www.chilkatsoft.com/email-activex.asp 

A fully functional 30-day evaluation copy can be downloaded.
I guess you would need to read the headers and the body of the e-mails ...

/gustav

>>> Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com 28-04-2006 15:50:46 >>>
 Hello all,

I've searched high and low.  I cannot seem to find what I'm looking for.
I don't want to give reasons why, but I need to capture all emails that
contain certain keywords in them from any EXCHANGE mailbox.  I need to
search subject, message body, and possibly attachment names.  

Anyway, the only tool I found was from QUEST "Recovery Manager for
Exchange".  
I'm Looking for alternatives, hopefully Access, VB, c#, anything that I
can do myself would be great.. Then again I'm open for suggestions.. 

If anyone can help guide me.. I would appreciate it.. 

Please respond off the list as this has nothing to do with Access... 

Thank You,
Rich 




From darrend at nimble.com.au  Fri Apr 28 09:33:16 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:33:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C040E28E7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <20060428143318.BDYC27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Brilliant
Thanks to all who replied
Never knew any of this stuff
Brilliant

See y'all
 


Darren
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, 28 April 2006 11:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

I've set Conditional Formatting for an entire range.
The key is to choose a cell/row where you can set the parameters.
For example:  to apply CF to range B2:H20 Open a blank Worksheet Highlight B2
through H20 Start with B2 and go towards H20 Open CF Change "Cell Value Is" to
"Formula Is"
In the formula type in =$A2=1
Then format by choosing a color for the cell Click Add Follow the above and
choose a different color Do it again for a third row color.
Close CF.

Test it.
By putting 1, 2, or 3 in column A the rows will change.

Any formula will work as long as the results are true/false.

HTH

Jim
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boyes
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

You have to set each cell in the row to the same formula. (I have only done this
one cell at a time.) The formula would be the same in every cell of the row: If
Cell A20=passed, set the font to grey in THIS cell.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi Dan
If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
following...
   if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
 
But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from
Cell A1 to a19

That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a
value in a cell Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value
in that cell


Darren
------------------------------

 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each
would be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel -
maybe absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy
once and paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the
row.

Dan 


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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy,
Test1 Results etc but the final column is the one that has final say on
what is done. If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be
grey font, italic font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply
cond formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is
the other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Apr 28 09:47:45 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:47:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?

 

ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

 

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From dgibso at uark.edu  Fri Apr 28 10:00:41 2006
From: dgibso at uark.edu (David A. Gibson)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:00:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermo
	rgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060428095928.01a0efa0@uark.edu>

Could it be that the user permissions are different?

David G.


At 09:47 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote:
>I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
>create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>
>ChDrive "C:"
>
>Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>
>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>End If
>
>  Chester Kaup
>Engineering Technician
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>Office (432) 688-3797
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr 28 10:17:19 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:17:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403557028@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Or maybe it's possible that the Scripting component is not installed on
that machine.  I seem to recall a few years back sys admins were not
installing for fear of attacks. 


Jim DeMarco

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Gibson
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem

Could it be that the user permissions are different?

David G.


At 09:47 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote:
>I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works 
>fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could 
>not create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>
>ChDrive "C:"
>
>Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>
>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>End If
>
>  Chester Kaup
>Engineering Technician
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>Office (432) 688-3797
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Fri Apr 28 10:25:49 2006
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (sgoodhall at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:25:49 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <042820061525.9965.445233FD0002D360000026ED220588601404040E080B0101099C@comcast.net>

If Scripting were not installed, then the CreateObject should fail. Did you also try:

fso.CreateFolder ResultsPath

?  Also,

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


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From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> 

> Or maybe it's possible that the Scripting component is not installed on 
> that machine. I seem to recall a few years back sys admins were not 
> installing for fear of attacks. 
> 
> 
> Jim DeMarco 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A. 
> Gibson 
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:01 AM 
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem 
> 
> Could it be that the user permissions are different? 
> 
> David G. 
> 
> 
> At 09:47 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote: 
> >I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works 
> >fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could 
> >not create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts? 
> > 
> >ChDrive "C:" 
> > 
> >Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") 
> > 
> >ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" 
> > 
> >If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then 
> > 
> > MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" 
> > 
> >End If 
> > 
> > Chester Kaup 
> >Engineering Technician 
> >Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP 
> >Office (432) 688-3797 
> >FAX (432) 688-3799 
> > 
> >No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large 
> >number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Apr 28 10:54:06 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:54:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F20CD7563@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

I don't think you can create a path like "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" in one
step. You need to check if "C:\Files" exists first, then "C:\Files\Excel"
and then finally "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10", creating folders along the way.

Lambert

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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem


I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works fine.
Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not create
folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?

 

ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

 

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Apr 28 10:47:25 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:47:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43036256AC@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Does the user have Admin rights? 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem

I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?

 

ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

 

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri Apr 28 11:04:14 2006
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:04:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F20CD7563@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <OFE396A7BB.74F52323-ON8625715E.00583189-8625715E.00584735@usbank.com>

I have two functions base on the Windows API that I use that are below:

Public Function blnDirectoryExists(strDirectoryName As String) As Boolean
Dim strDir As String

   On Error GoTo blnDirectoryExists_Error

strDir = Dir(strDirectoryName, vbDirectory)

If IsNull(strDir) Or strDir = "" Then
    blnDirectoryExists = False
Else
    blnDirectoryExists = True
End If

   On Error GoTo 0
   Exit Function

blnDirectoryExists_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in procedure
blnDirectoryExists of Module mdlFile"
    blnDirectoryExists = False
End Function

Public Sub CreateNewDirectory(strNewDirectoryName As String)
   On Error GoTo CreateNewDirectory_Error

Select Case blnDirectoryExists(strNewDirectoryName)
    Case False
        Call MkDir(strNewDirectoryName)
End Select

   On Error GoTo 0
   Exit Sub

CreateNewDirectory_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in procedure
CreateNewDirectory of Module mdlFile"
End Sub

Jeffrey F. Demulling
Project Manager
U.S. Bank Corporate Trust Services
60 Livingston Avenue
EP-MN-WS3C
St. Paul, MN  55107-2292
Ph: 651-495-3925
Fax: 651-495-8103
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I don't think you can create a path like "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" in one
step. You need to check if "C:\Files" exists first, then "C:\Files\Excel"
and then finally "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10", creating folders along the
way.

Lambert

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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem


I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
fine.
Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not create
folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?



ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"



If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Apr 28 11:06:19 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:06:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D897@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

That was the problem. I already had the higher level directories on my
machine so did not test the whole path. Thanks.

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Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem

I don't think you can create a path like "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" in
one
step. You need to check if "C:\Files" exists first, then
"C:\Files\Excel"
and then finally "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10", creating folders along the
way.

Lambert

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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem


I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
fine.
Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
create
folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?

 

ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

 

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From jim.moss at jlmoss.net  Fri Apr 28 11:05:36 2006
From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:05:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4589.65.196.182.34.1146240336.squirrel@65.196.182.34>

Chester,

I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it creates
sub folders just fine.

Jim

> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> ChDrive "C:"
>
> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>
>
> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>
>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
> End If
>
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Apr 28 11:28:48 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:28:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

When I try the following I get a runtime error 76

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
End If

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem

Chester,

I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
creates
sub folders just fine.

Jim

> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
not
> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> ChDrive "C:"
>
> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>
>
> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>
>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
> End If
>
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 28 14:33:24 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:33:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <44526E04.6070902@shaw.ca>

 "Run-time error '76' Path Not found error".
Some part of the path doesn't exist.

I use Dir to create this type of directory structure.
For example I have three fields in a table each
one being a seperate directory level
So you have to walk down the path creating each level
Now Dir has a problem especially with deletes

The Dir function may hold an OS lock on the directory even after Access has
been terminated. To get around this point the DIR function at a directory,
you dont want to delete. Play around with code below to prove the point.
So you may want to use FSO instead

Also look at last routine to check for invalid DOS characters in path


'**************************************
' Name: CreateDirectoryStruct
' Description:Creates all non-existing
'   folders in a path. Local or network UNC path.
' By: Bill Jones
'
' Inputs:CreateThisPath as string
'

'CreateDirectoryStruct("c:\temp\b\a")

 Sub CreateDirectoryStruct(CreateThisPath As String)

    'do initial check
    Dim ret As Boolean, temp$, ComputerName As String, IntoItCount As 
Integer, X%, _
              WakeString As String
    Dim MadeIt As Integer
    If Dir$(CreateThisPath, vbDirectory) <> "" Then Exit Sub
    'is this a network path?

    If Left$(CreateThisPath, 2) = "\\" Then ' this is a UNC NetworkPath
        'must extract the machine name first, th
        '     en get to the first folder
        IntoItCount = 3
        ComputerName = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, 
InStr(IntoItCount, _
                 CreateThisPath, "\") - IntoItCount)
        IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(ComputerName) + 1
        IntoItCount = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\") + 1
        'temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount
        '     , x)
    Else ' this is a regular path
        IntoItCount = 4
    End If

    WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
    'start a loop through the CreateThisPath
    '     string

    Do
        X = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\")


        If X <> 0 Then
            X = X - IntoItCount
            temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, X)
        Else
            temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount)
        End If

        IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(temp) + 1
        temp = WakeString + temp
        'Create a directory if it doesn't alread
        '     y exist
        ret = (Dir$(temp, vbDirectory) <> "")
        If Not ret Then
            'ret& = CreateDirectory(temp, Security)
            Debug.Print "MD=" & temp
            MkDir temp
        End If

        IntoItCount = IntoItCount 'track where we are in the String
        WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
    Loop While WakeString <> CreateThisPath

End Sub

Function NameFix(NameIn As String) As String
' replaces illegal character with underscore
' for illegal filenames in windows dos
   Const ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS = "/\:*?<>|"""
   ' = /\:*?<>|"
   Dim i As Integer
   Dim iTmp As Integer
   Dim NameFixTemp As Variant
   'replace illegal filename character with an underscore
   NameFixTemp = NameIn

   For i = 1 To Len(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS)
    NameFixTemp = Replace(NameFixTemp, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1), "_")
     ' iTmp = InStr(1, NameFix, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1))
     ' If iTmp > 0 Then
     '    Mid$(NameFix, iTmp, 1) = "_"
     ' End If
   Next
   'non ascii printing characters
  ' Just realized this code will also replace spaces with
  'underscores.
'to accept spaces, change
'>       If iTmp < 33 Or iTmp > 126 Then to
'>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then

   For i = 1 To Len(NameFixTemp)
      iTmp = Asc(Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1))
      If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
         Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1) = "_"
      End If
   Next
   NameFix = NameFixTemp
End Function



Kaup, Chester wrote:

>When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>
>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
>End If
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
>Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>
>Chester,
>
>I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
>creates
>sub folders just fine.
>
>Jim
>
>  
>
>>I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>>fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
>>    
>>
>not
>  
>
>>create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>ChDrive "C:"
>>
>>Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>
>>ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>
>>
>>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>
>>    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>End If
>>
>>
>>
>>Chester Kaup
>>
>>Engineering Technician
>>
>>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>
>>Office (432) 688-3797
>>
>>FAX (432) 688-3799
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>
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>
>
>  
>

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From jim.moss at jlmoss.net  Fri Apr 28 14:39:27 2006
From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:39:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <15208.65.196.182.34.1146253167.squirrel@65.196.182.34>

I thought that it built the entire path, but it will only build one level
in the path at a time.



Sorry,

jim

> When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>
> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>     fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
> End If
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>
> Chester,
>
> I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
> creates
> sub folders just fine.
>
> Jim
>
>> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
> not
>> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ChDrive "C:"
>>
>> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>
>> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>
>>
>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>
>>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>> End If
>>
>>
>>
>> Chester Kaup
>>
>> Engineering Technician
>>
>> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>
>> Office (432) 688-3797
>>
>> FAX (432) 688-3799
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>
>>
>>
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Apr 28 16:27:54 2006
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:27:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting and opening excel spreadsheet
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A154F86C7@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

We are in the process of slowly upgrading to Office 2003 but still mainly
use Access 97.  In one of my Access 97 apps I'm using the OutputTo command
to export a report to Excel then via code I'm opening the excel spreadsheet
and running an Excel macro to clean up the spreadsheet.  This works fine
with Excel 97 but when Excel 2003 tries to open the spreadsheet I get an
error that the open method fails in the excel object.  If I go to Excel 2003
and manually open the spreadsheet I get a message that tells me Excel
automatically repaired the sheet and the problem is it "renamed invalid
sheet name".  The sheet name is just Sheet1 as far as I can tell.  Any
ideas?

TIA

Rusty Hammond
IT Dept. - B-20
CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
(620) 793-8473 ext. 416
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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Fri Apr 28 17:55:31 2006
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:55:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: <004801c66a6b$097a1b00$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <003401c66b16$d9b0e820$0400a8c0@PC1>

John,

I think one option is to make use of the code here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnolbk02/ht
ml/odc_ch11olevents.asp

Here's mentioned (11.6 Reminders Events) how to respond to events fired in
Outlook.. Again you will have to do some coding since there's not an out of
the box solution for your wish but anyways I think the article is nice to
have even if you're not going to use it. This code can only be used from OL
2002 and up.


Regards,
Eric Starkenburg


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

I wrote the macro in Outlook.  Currently it just runs when selected but it
would be nice to set it in an outlook "appointment" such that when the
appointment fired it ran the macro.  Seems so logical.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Hi John,

It's not clear to me what the environment settings in your case are like but
you could ofcourse write your own piece of code in an MDB to schedule and
send the mail using Outlook MAPI and have an Access instance 24/7 running.
If coding like this is not an option and the macro already exists, I assume
the macro does the complete job and all you need is the scheduling part,
then why not use the Outlook object model in an Access mdb and again keep it
running 24/7 and have vba code execute the macro using the objectmodel.

Ofcourse if you have SQL server around Karen's way is better in my opinion
since running Acces 24/7 would not be my first choice though windows also
has a scheduler which you could probably use(!). In this case not only could
you work with an ActiveX but also it would be possible to write some code to
execute an Access mdb (including an autoexec ofcourse) which triggers the
macro or a simple VB application, in both cases making use of the Outlook
object model.

I have to be honest though, I haven't checked the Object model for this
answer as we speak so there is a possiblity that using the object model is
out of the question regarding an Outlook macro but I assume it can be done
this way.

Hope it keeps your fantasy going;)

Regards,
Eric Starkenburg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will do
it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From bill_Patten at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 28 17:57:58 2006
From: bill_Patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:57:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting and opening excel spreadsheet
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A154F86C7@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <008001c66b17$3246d300$6501a8c0@BPCS>

Rusty,

I found that trying this would cause the problem you described.
    strSql = "Select * from vUnits where UnitID between 19445 and 19448"
     rs.Open strSql, cn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputServerView, strSql, acFormatXLS, "C:\test.xls", 
True

Because it tried to name the sheet the strSql string. My solution was to 
create a view on the fly then name the view in OutputTo call

    Dim strView As String, strPeriod As String ,strSqlCmd As String
    Dim cn As New ADODB.Connection
    Set cn = CurrentProject.AccessConnection
    strView = "vTemp" & Trim(glbStrUserName)  'Create a personal instance
    strPeriod = "0511"
    strSqlCmd = "if object_id('" & strView & "') is not null drop view dbo." 
& strView
    cn.Execute strSqlCmd
    strSqlCmd = "create view dbo." & strView & " as select * from 
vExcelOTReport where      BillingPeriod = '" & strPeriod & "'"
    cn.Execute strSqlCmd

then

 docmd.outputTo acOutputServerView ,strView ", acformatXLS, 
"c:\Somefilename.XLS"

Seemed to work ok

Hope this helps.

Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting and opening excel spreadsheet


We are in the process of slowly upgrading to Office 2003 but still mainly
use Access 97.  In one of my Access 97 apps I'm using the OutputTo command
to export a report to Excel then via code I'm opening the excel spreadsheet
and running an Excel macro to clean up the spreadsheet.  This works fine
with Excel 97 but when Excel 2003 tries to open the spreadsheet I get an
error that the open method fails in the excel object.  If I go to Excel 2003
and manually open the spreadsheet I get a message that tells me Excel
automatically repaired the sheet and the problem is it "renamed invalid
sheet name".  The sheet name is just Sheet1 as far as I can tell.  Any
ideas?

TIA

Rusty Hammond
IT Dept. - B-20
CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
(620) 793-8473 ext. 416
rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 29 12:45:24 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:45:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4453A634.7040604@shaw.ca>

This little nugget may come in handy
' Does a Directory exist
' Works with or without trailing slash
Function DirExists(ByVal strDirName As String) _
 As Boolean
  On Error Resume Next
  DirExists = _
   (GetAttr(strDirName) And vbDirectory) = vbDirectory
  Err.Clear
End Function

Kaup, Chester wrote:

>When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>
>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
>End If
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
>Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>
>Chester,
>
>I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
>creates
>sub folders just fine.
>
>Jim
>
>  
>
>>I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>>fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
>>    
>>
>not
>  
>
>>create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>ChDrive "C:"
>>
>>Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>
>>ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>
>>
>>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>
>>    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>End If
>>
>>
>>
>>Chester Kaup
>>
>>Engineering Technician
>>
>>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>
>>Office (432) 688-3797
>>
>>FAX (432) 688-3799
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>

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Canada





From becklesd at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Apr 30 11:59:29 2006
From: becklesd at tiscali.co.uk (David Beckles)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:59:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 38, Issue 45
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1146330003.29578.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1146330003.29578.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4454ECF1.6020301@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi!
You could try the Windows API:

Declare Function MakeSureDirectoryPathExists Lib "imagehlp.dll" (ByVal
lpPath As String) As Long

Then the call
    MakeSureDirectoryPathExists "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10\"

will create the entire thing if necessary, but make sure that the path
ends with a backslash.  I have only ever had it fail if the drive did
not exist or the user did not have the necessary permissions.

Hope that this helps,
David

------------Original Message-------------------------------------
> From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <44526E04.6070902 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>  "Run-time error '76' Path Not found error".
> Some part of the path doesn't exist.
>
> I use Dir to create this type of directory structure.
> For example I have three fields in a table each
> one being a seperate directory level
> So you have to walk down the path creating each level
> Now Dir has a problem especially with deletes
>
> The Dir function may hold an OS lock on the directory even after Access has
> been terminated. To get around this point the DIR function at a directory,
> you dont want to delete. Play around with code below to prove the point.
> So you may want to use FSO instead
>
> Also look at last routine to check for invalid DOS characters in path
>
>
> '**************************************
> ' Name: CreateDirectoryStruct
> ' Description:Creates all non-existing
> '   folders in a path. Local or network UNC path.
> ' By: Bill Jones
> '
> ' Inputs:CreateThisPath as string
> '
>
> 'CreateDirectoryStruct("c:\temp\b\a")
>
>  Sub CreateDirectoryStruct(CreateThisPath As String)
>
>     'do initial check
>     Dim ret As Boolean, temp$, ComputerName As String, IntoItCount As 
> Integer, X%, _
>               WakeString As String
>     Dim MadeIt As Integer
>     If Dir$(CreateThisPath, vbDirectory) <> "" Then Exit Sub
>     'is this a network path?
>
>     If Left$(CreateThisPath, 2) = "\\" Then ' this is a UNC NetworkPath
>         'must extract the machine name first, th
>         '     en get to the first folder
>         IntoItCount = 3
>         ComputerName = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, 
> InStr(IntoItCount, _
>                  CreateThisPath, "\") - IntoItCount)
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(ComputerName) + 1
>         IntoItCount = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\") + 1
>         'temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount
>         '     , x)
>     Else ' this is a regular path
>         IntoItCount = 4
>     End If
>
>     WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
>     'start a loop through the CreateThisPath
>     '     string
>
>     Do
>         X = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\")
>
>
>         If X <> 0 Then
>             X = X - IntoItCount
>             temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, X)
>         Else
>             temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount)
>         End If
>
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(temp) + 1
>         temp = WakeString + temp
>         'Create a directory if it doesn't alread
>         '     y exist
>         ret = (Dir$(temp, vbDirectory) <> "")
>         If Not ret Then
>             'ret& = CreateDirectory(temp, Security)
>             Debug.Print "MD=" & temp
>             MkDir temp
>         End If
>
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount 'track where we are in the String
>         WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
>     Loop While WakeString <> CreateThisPath
>
> End Sub
>
> Function NameFix(NameIn As String) As String
> ' replaces illegal character with underscore
> ' for illegal filenames in windows dos
>    Const ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS = "/\:*?<>|"""
>    ' = /\:*?<>|"
>    Dim i As Integer
>    Dim iTmp As Integer
>    Dim NameFixTemp As Variant
>    'replace illegal filename character with an underscore
>    NameFixTemp = NameIn
>
>    For i = 1 To Len(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS)
>     NameFixTemp = Replace(NameFixTemp, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1), "_")
>      ' iTmp = InStr(1, NameFix, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1))
>      ' If iTmp > 0 Then
>      '    Mid$(NameFix, iTmp, 1) = "_"
>      ' End If
>    Next
>    'non ascii printing characters
>   ' Just realized this code will also replace spaces with
>   'underscores.
> 'to accept spaces, change
> '>       If iTmp < 33 Or iTmp > 126 Then to
> '>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
>
>    For i = 1 To Len(NameFixTemp)
>       iTmp = Asc(Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1))
>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
>          Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1) = "_"
>       End If
>    Next
>    NameFix = NameFixTemp
> End Function
>
>
>
> Kaup, Chester wrote:
>
>   
>> When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>>
>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>>    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
>> End If
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>>
>> Chester,
>>
>> I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
>> creates
>> sub folders just fine.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>>> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>> not
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ChDrive "C:"
>>>
>>> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>>
>>> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>>
>>>    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>>
>>> End If
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chester Kaup
>>>
>>> Engineering Technician
>>>
>>> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>>
>>> Office (432) 688-3797
>>>
>>> FAX (432) 688-3799
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>>> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>>  
>>
>>     
>
>   


-- 
David Beckles




From becklesd at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Apr 30 15:13:24 2006
From: becklesd at tiscali.co.uk (David Beckles)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:13:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1146330003.29578.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1146330003.29578.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <44551A64.6040508@tiscali.co.uk>

Sorry, forgot to change the subject line.
You could try the Windows API:

Declare Function MakeSureDirectoryPathExists Lib "imagehlp.dll" (ByVal
lpPath As String) As Long

Then the call
    MakeSureDirectoryPathExists "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10\"

will create the entire thing if necessary, but make sure that the path
ends with a backslash.  I have only ever had it fail if the drive did
not exist or the user did not have the necessary permissions.

Hope that this helps,
David

------------Original Message-------------------------------------
> From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <44526E04.6070902 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>  "Run-time error '76' Path Not found error".
> Some part of the path doesn't exist.
>
> I use Dir to create this type of directory structure.
> For example I have three fields in a table each
> one being a seperate directory level
> So you have to walk down the path creating each level
> Now Dir has a problem especially with deletes
>
> The Dir function may hold an OS lock on the directory even after Access has
> been terminated. To get around this point the DIR function at a directory,
> you dont want to delete. Play around with code below to prove the point.
> So you may want to use FSO instead
>
> Also look at last routine to check for invalid DOS characters in path
>
>
> '**************************************
> ' Name: CreateDirectoryStruct
> ' Description:Creates all non-existing
> '   folders in a path. Local or network UNC path.
> ' By: Bill Jones
> '
> ' Inputs:CreateThisPath as string
> '
>
> 'CreateDirectoryStruct("c:\temp\b\a")
>
>  Sub CreateDirectoryStruct(CreateThisPath As String)
>
>     'do initial check
>     Dim ret As Boolean, temp$, ComputerName As String, IntoItCount As 
> Integer, X%, _
>               WakeString As String
>     Dim MadeIt As Integer
>     If Dir$(CreateThisPath, vbDirectory) <> "" Then Exit Sub
>     'is this a network path?
>
>     If Left$(CreateThisPath, 2) = "\\" Then ' this is a UNC NetworkPath
>         'must extract the machine name first, th
>         '     en get to the first folder
>         IntoItCount = 3
>         ComputerName = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, 
> InStr(IntoItCount, _
>                  CreateThisPath, "\") - IntoItCount)
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(ComputerName) + 1
>         IntoItCount = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\") + 1
>         'temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount
>         '     , x)
>     Else ' this is a regular path
>         IntoItCount = 4
>     End If
>
>     WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
>     'start a loop through the CreateThisPath
>     '     string
>
>     Do
>         X = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\")
>
>
>         If X <> 0 Then
>             X = X - IntoItCount
>             temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, X)
>         Else
>             temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount)
>         End If
>
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(temp) + 1
>         temp = WakeString + temp
>         'Create a directory if it doesn't alread
>         '     y exist
>         ret = (Dir$(temp, vbDirectory) <> "")
>         If Not ret Then
>             'ret& = CreateDirectory(temp, Security)
>             Debug.Print "MD=" & temp
>             MkDir temp
>         End If
>
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount 'track where we are in the String
>         WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
>     Loop While WakeString <> CreateThisPath
>
> End Sub
>
> Function NameFix(NameIn As String) As String
> ' replaces illegal character with underscore
> ' for illegal filenames in windows dos
>    Const ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS = "/\:*?<>|"""
>    ' = /\:*?<>|"
>    Dim i As Integer
>    Dim iTmp As Integer
>    Dim NameFixTemp As Variant
>    'replace illegal filename character with an underscore
>    NameFixTemp = NameIn
>
>    For i = 1 To Len(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS)
>     NameFixTemp = Replace(NameFixTemp, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1), "_")
>      ' iTmp = InStr(1, NameFix, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1))
>      ' If iTmp > 0 Then
>      '    Mid$(NameFix, iTmp, 1) = "_"
>      ' End If
>    Next
>    'non ascii printing characters
>   ' Just realized this code will also replace spaces with
>   'underscores.
> 'to accept spaces, change
> '>       If iTmp < 33 Or iTmp > 126 Then to
> '>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
>
>    For i = 1 To Len(NameFixTemp)
>       iTmp = Asc(Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1))
>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
>          Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1) = "_"
>       End If
>    Next
>    NameFix = NameFixTemp
> End Function
>
>
>
> Kaup, Chester wrote:
>
>   
>> When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>>
>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>>    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
>> End If
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>>
>> Chester,
>>
>> I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
>> creates
>> sub folders just fine.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>>> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>> not
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ChDrive "C:"
>>>
>>> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>>
>>> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>>
>>>    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>>
>>> End If
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chester Kaup
>>>
>>> Engineering Technician
>>>
>>> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>>
>>> Office (432) 688-3797
>>>
>>> FAX (432) 688-3799
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>>> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>>  
>>
>>     
>
>   


-- 
David Beckles



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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Sat Apr  1 04:21:28 2006
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 05:21:28 EST
Subject: [AccessD] Trigger a macro
Message-ID: <2d3.62212fd.315fae28@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 31/03/2006 17:39:16 GMT Daylight Time,  
cfoust at infostatsystems.com writes:

Charlotte


Hi Charlotte
I'm changing the Required property in TableDefs and the vb code to do that  
works fine in the backend but not in the frontend.
 
It could be that changing the Required property is not the best way forcing  
data entry to a control. I have some records that require a comment while  
others do not. If you see what I mean. So I was trying to switch the Required  
property on and off as needed.
 
john cliviger


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Apr  1 05:29:01 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:29:01 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
References: <008601c646f0$17fed5b0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805><001301c6472c$d5602960$6501a8c0@Nant><001001c64751$d4b89ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><007101c6478b$4c9e8040$6501a8c0@Nant><001201c647a3$3283af10$6501a8c0@Nant><001101c64810$f9ad0420$6501a8c0@Nant><004601c64932$45f25660$6501a8c0@Nant><000801c649ea$ef906370$6501a8c0@Nant><000a01c64c27$65ddfb80$6501a8c0@Nant><000e01c64d24$70070ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><000c01c64db9$f195e960$6501a8c0@Nant><003a01c64dbd$65180af0$6501a8c0@Nant><001401c64e3b$2c6f81a0$6501a8c0@Nant><005101c64e84$119b5540$6501a8c0@Nant><002d01c64f30$d70c2640$6501a8c0@Nant><442401EF.2040704@san.rr.com><007101c64f5a$55061230$6501a8c0@Nant><442426E0.6040808@san.rr.com>
	<000c01c64f9a$f37448c0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <001e01c6557f$7be635d0$6501a8c0@Nant>

Hi All,

I was inactive with the subject test during this week - the reasons were
that I have been waiting for MS Access 12 results and that I have quite some
work here to do for the customers.

Here are very good results - MS Access 12 - SUCCESS STORY:

======================================================
ADODB Bound Forms Crash Test v.1.9.6 [23-MAR-06]

Test successfully finished.

Backend:       MS Access
Binding:       ADODB
Cycles to pass: 10000
Cycles passed: 10000
Total errors: 0
Forms opened:  50000
Start time:    30.03.2006 19:08:26
End time:      31.03.2006 19:18:39

Object statistics:
ClassName = CTestForm, Created = 6, Disposed = 6
ClassName = CFormDataset, Created = 358296, Disposed = 358296
========================================================

It worked for 24 hours as you can see - can we from now on call MS Access 12
24x7x365 ready development platform?

I think, it would be useful to somehow pass this test to MS Access
development team for them to deliver the same quality MS Access 12 release
when it will be ready - I mean we can help them to not loose the current
quality of this coming software product while they are polishing it from
Beta to Release Candidate version. Any ideas how to do that?

I will definitely continue working on this test in the coming weeks (a lot
of plans there) but I need to "cool down" a little because I need to work
for customers to earn money for my family living...

I will publish (with your permission) on the test's Web site and all the
names who helped and who are helping to make this test a reality.

Thank you everybody for all your help!
Thank you in advance for all your future help!

Have nice weekend,
Shamil

P.S. If anybody has Access 12 and can run it over weekend with the last
published version of the test - you're very welcome to do that!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets


> Hi All,
>
> New version (1.9.8) is published -
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/download/tests/a2dds.htm.
>
> It should give more detailed results about errors if they appear.
>
> Make your PCs busy over weekend! :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
>
>
>> Well, let us know when the new version is ready.  And I'll run both the
>> mdb and the adp.  I have a lot of idle cycles on the weekend. :-)
>> (Computer has some, too)
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
> <<< tail skipped >>>
>
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  1 05:32:06 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:32:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
Message-ID: <s42e80ec.047@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

That sounds promising. Thanks for the info.
However, I have not Access 12 running.
Anyone knows how to obtain this beta? 

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 01-04-2006 13:29:01 >>>

Here are very good results - MS Access 12 - SUCCESS STORY:




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  1 07:17:42 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:17:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <s42e9c8e.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Thanks! 
But your boss ..?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:32:04 >>>
Actually, no, I didn't.  My boss did.  And yes, I meant the system
date/time format.  The snippet I posted is called from all over and the
user might enter anything including a long date.  Like a lot of
applications, this one has grown organically over time and I have only
been allowed to maintain and extend it, not rewrite. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

But all the clumsy code with Replace? Tell me you didn't write it.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  1 07:32:41 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:32:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <s42e9d25.051@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

As soon as you have a Date value you cannot fail; all you have to is do to apply the formatting and, using the principle in my StrDateSQL, no local setting will influence that. It's foolproof.

However, to get to the Date value is another task and requires careful handling. As you correctly point out, users can type anything.
For this purpose I would recommend the suggestion by Stuart, DateValue, as it understands date expression strings formatted as to the local settings.
Unfortunately, it understands more than that which can lead to unpredictable results. How to avoid this, read on here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2004-December/029764.html 

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:37:58 >>>
Oh, and we also have to deal with converting data between systems that
use different date formats and delimiters.  Start playing with languages
that use a dot as a date delimiter or a space. ;o> 




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Apr  1 08:53:02 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:53:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
References: <008601c646f0$17fed5b0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805><001301c6472c$d5602960$6501a8c0@Nant><001001c64751$d4b89ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><007101c6478b$4c9e8040$6501a8c0@Nant><001201c647a3$3283af10$6501a8c0@Nant><001101c64810$f9ad0420$6501a8c0@Nant><004601c64932$45f25660$6501a8c0@Nant><000801c649ea$ef906370$6501a8c0@Nant><000a01c64c27$65ddfb80$6501a8c0@Nant><000e01c64d24$70070ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><000c01c64db9$f195e960$6501a8c0@Nant><003a01c64dbd$65180af0$6501a8c0@Nant><001401c64e3b$2c6f81a0$6501a8c0@Nant><005101c64e84$119b5540$6501a8c0@Nant><002d01c64f30$d70c2640$6501a8c0@Nant><442401EF.2040704@san.rr.com><007101c64f5a$55061230$6501a8c0@Nant><442426E0.6040808@san.rr.com><000c01c64f9a$f37448c0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001e01c6557f$7be635d0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE278206B@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Shamil
 
If you want I can ask them. If you write up a short note on what it is you ahve done and achieved I will pass it on.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 


P.S. If anybody has Access 12 and can run it over weekend with the last
published version of the test - you're very welcome to do that!



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  1 15:16:04 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:16:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
References: <008601c646f0$17fed5b0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<001301c6472c$d5602960$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001001c64751$d4b89ef0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<007101c6478b$4c9e8040$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001201c647a3$3283af10$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001101c64810$f9ad0420$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<004601c64932$45f25660$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<000801c649ea$ef906370$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<000a01c64c27$65ddfb80$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<000e01c64d24$70070ef0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<000c01c64db9$f195e960$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<003a01c64dbd$65180af0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001401c64e3b$2c6f81a0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<005101c64e84$119b5540$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<002d01c64f30$d70c2640$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<442401EF.2040704@san.rr.com> <007101c64f5a$55061230$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<442426E0.6040808@san.rr.com> <000c01c64f9a$f37448c0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<001e01c6557f$7be635d0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE278206B@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <442EED94.6090202@shaw.ca>

Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by 
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember 
seeing anything posted here
on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but
don't realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on 
top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those
Active Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because
Gasp! it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up
to the one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch
them squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and
later. It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All
throughout it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many
many VB apps were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET
Blue began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a
query technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and
Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and
many many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many
years, but became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware
applications not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that
committed transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet
database technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction
logs to ensure recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best
effort crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be
embedded in a server application, does not share files, has write ahead
logging for guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET
Blue does not ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications
to write their own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/extensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sat Apr  1 15:36:55 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:36:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
In-Reply-To: <442EED94.6090202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <004b01c655d4$67365700$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Fascinating. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 4:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access

Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember
seeing anything posted here on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but don't
realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those Active
Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because Gasp!
it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up to the
one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch them
squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and later.
It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All throughout
it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many many VB apps
were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET Blue
began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a query
technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and many
many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many years, but
became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware applications
not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that committed
transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet database
technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction logs to ensure
recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best effort
crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be embedded in a
server application, does not share files, has write ahead logging for
guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET Blue does not
ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications to write their
own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Apr  1 15:50:56 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:50:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
In-Reply-To: <8568420.1143926683888.JavaMail.root@sniper20>
Message-ID: <000001c655d6$5bf9d5e0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Marty,

The version of Jet used by Access since A2K has optional record-level
locking.  This was a significant improvement for me.

Thanks for this discussion - I had never heard before of two versions of
Jet.  But it does sound as though the two versions are very different and
may not deserve to be argued as if they were similar.

IMO, the primary problem with Access is simply that untrained inexperienced
people try to take Access beyond what they're capable of (and they don't
even know they're not!)  A person at one of my customers uses only macros,
and he tells other people that I don't know what I'm doing even though the
system they have includes over 60K lines of code.  Luckily his boss (my
invoice approver) knows the difference!

Dan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access

Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by 
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember 
seeing anything posted here
on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but
don't realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on 
top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those
Active Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because
Gasp! it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up
to the one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch
them squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and
later. It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All
throughout it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many
many VB apps were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET
Blue began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a
query technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and
Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and
many many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many
years, but became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware
applications not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that
committed transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet
database technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction
logs to ensure recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best
effort crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be
embedded in a server application, does not share files, has write ahead
logging for guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET
Blue does not ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications
to write their own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx


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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Apr  1 16:50:37 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 02:50:37 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets
References: <008601c646f0$17fed5b0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805><001301c6472c$d5602960$6501a8c0@Nant><001001c64751$d4b89ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><007101c6478b$4c9e8040$6501a8c0@Nant><001201c647a3$3283af10$6501a8c0@Nant><001101c64810$f9ad0420$6501a8c0@Nant><004601c64932$45f25660$6501a8c0@Nant><000801c649ea$ef906370$6501a8c0@Nant><000a01c64c27$65ddfb80$6501a8c0@Nant><000e01c64d24$70070ef0$6501a8c0@Nant><000c01c64db9$f195e960$6501a8c0@Nant><003a01c64dbd$65180af0$6501a8c0@Nant><001401c64e3b$2c6f81a0$6501a8c0@Nant><005101c64e84$119b5540$6501a8c0@Nant><002d01c64f30$d70c2640$6501a8c0@Nant><442401EF.2040704@san.rr.com><007101c64f5a$55061230$6501a8c0@Nant><442426E0.6040808@san.rr.com><000c01c64f9a$f37448c0$6501a8c0@Nant><001e01c6557f$7be635d0$6501a8c0@Nant>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE278206B@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002c01c655de$ba6d3e20$6501a8c0@Nant>

Thank you, Martin,

I will try to prepare a short note when the code updating, deleting and 
inserting will work OK in different scenarious hopefully within coming 
month....

If you talk to them from time to time you can say them there are RSS/ATOM 
feeds on this test site - 
http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/download/tests/a2dds.htm  - when my note ready I 
can put in this feed special code word for them (:)) to download the 
version - it should be fully automatic by that time download/install/run I 
mean....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access XP forms bound to ADO recordsets


Shamil

If you want I can ask them. If you write up a short note on what it is you 
ahve done and achieved I will pass it on.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477



P.S. If anybody has Access 12 and can run it over weekend with the last
published version of the test - you're very welcome to do that!





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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  1 17:22:41 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:22:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
In-Reply-To: <442EED94.6090202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <E1FPpQh-0001Hx-00@pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Actually,  it was used even before ADS and exchange.  The SAMs database in
NT 4.0 is JET based as well.  MS has used JET Blue as a data store for a lot
os level stuff.

  But Dan's right; they are two totally different animals.  The only thing
they share in common is that they both started off from the original JET
API.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 4:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access

Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by 
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember 
seeing anything posted here
on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but
don't realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on 
top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those
Active Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because
Gasp! it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up
to the one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch
them squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and
later. It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All
throughout it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many
many VB apps were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET
Blue began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a
query technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and
Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and
many many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many
years, but became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware
applications not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that
committed transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet
database technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction
logs to ensure recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best
effort crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be
embedded in a server application, does not share files, has write ahead
logging for guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET
Blue does not ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications
to write their own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx


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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Apr  1 23:13:50 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:13:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Does anybody work on this level of abstraction with
	reallife apps data models?
In-Reply-To: <001001c652a9$3c9dc100$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <005501c65614$3a55e440$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>

I typically inhale the existing app into an Erwin model, but admittedly that
gives me insight into the database hierarchy. 
The current project upon which I am working comprises 8 databases located on
8 servers, and in terms of number of tables it all adds up to about 400.
There are numerous relationships, sprocs, udfs, scheduled jobs and so on,
and the total DB footprint is about a terabyte, first year, expected to
triple each year.
In this situation, Erwin is my saviour. Other similar tools would do, but
Erwin is their tool of choice so I am quickly becoming expert in its use.
"A picture is worth a thousand words" applies here, IMO. Maybe not for
everyone in the world, but certainly for me -- I can view a few pictures and
get a grasp of the existing situation much more quickly than I can by
reading table descriptions and trying to figure it out.
There are Erwin, PowerDesigner and DeZign to do this. Not to use one of
these is IMO nuts.
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: March 28, 2006 3:50 PM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] Does anybody work on this level of abstraction with
reallife apps data models?

Hi All,

I wanted to ask you how do you usually try to quickly understand existing 
real life applications data models?

I mean the following:

- imagine you've got a task to program some utility code for an application 
with rather tricky datamodel, working application and the question to change

this tricky datamodel is out of your responsibility - you're not allowed 
even to discuss this question (I'm exaggerating about that latter - just 
wanted to outline that your task is to understand the existing datamodel 
whatever it's as quickly as possible, accept it and to deliver your solution

in time and as good as possible in the given context because the customer is

waiting for your working solution not your considerations about datamodel 
and how good it could have been if you have been allowed to change it....).

- there is a good description of this datamodel and its business area but to

program effectively you can use just a subset of this datamodel and its 
description, which you need to quickly filter out from all the existing 
(thick) stuff to make a simple submodel diagram of the tables used in your 
utilities and their relationships. And you do not want to spend time to 
understand all the rest of this datamodel because you're more interested to 
go watching the next series of Dexter and DeeDee or watch the 100th time 
your favorite action movie like I do sometimes watch "The White Sun of 
Desert" - a famous here Soviet action movie I first time watched in 1969 
:)...

The question is how to quickly understand such a data model and to get it 
well arranged to solve the urgent customer task? (You given the datamodel 
diagram but relationships are intersected in a tricky net)

Did you ever try to solve such a task first of all on an abstract level? I 
mean did you ever try to "play" with existing datamodel relationships 
diagram (graphical diagram I mean) without knowing(/without even taking into

account) the meanings(titles) of the tables and  their relationships? With 
the main purpose of this playing being to finally get a relationships 
structure(graphical diagram) clearly showing you what are the key points of 
this datamodel, what a the "juncture points", what are the "bands and 
whistles"?

I did try and I think it always work for tricky, sometimes not optimal but 
rather well normalized data model.

I think this is called "building star schema abstract method".
And it works in most of the cases.
Try it.

I did try to google for "start schema" concept definition and as far as I 
see it is usually linked with OLAP not OLTP data models as here 
(http://www.tdan.com/i021hy01.htm).
I did read first about star schema data models abstraction in a short 
article in one of programming magazines somewhere in the summer 1995 and 
since then I use this concept and it always work well am I building 
datamodels from scratch or am I trying to understand/arrange existing 
ones...

Just wanted to share how (sometimes boring task) of getting well 
understanding of an intersected net of an existing data model relationships 
can be converted in a joyful(?) game of shuffling these table's 
relationships to get at a clear view of the subject business area...

Shamil

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Apr  1 23:28:47 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:28:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access/autocad incompatibility
Message-ID: <442F610F.7050502@san.rr.com>

Does anyone know of any incompatibility problem running an A2K or A2K3 
mde on a machine with autocad which which give the "You are not 
licensed..." error message when starting the access app?

Co-developer having this problem at a beta test site - typical FE/BE - 3 
machines are OK - one fails with this message.  Autocad on the failing 
machine is the only apparent difference he notes.

MTIA,

Rocky

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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  2 03:48:45 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:48:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
Message-ID: <s42fac33.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Thanks for pointing this out! Today I learned that JET means Joint Engine Technology ...

However, I would be careful stating that AD/Exchange and Access use the "same" engine as this "same" seems to assume a state prior to 1990:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/extensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

<quote>

The Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) was formerly known as JET Blue, and so frequently the term "JET Blue" or "JET" is used interchangeably with ESE. However, there are in fact two completely separate implementations of the Joint Engine Technology (JET) API, called JET Blue and JET Red. The term "JET" is frequently also used to refer to JET Red, which is the database engine under Microsoft Office Access. The two JET implementations are completely different, are separately maintained, have a vastly different feature set, and are not interchangeable. ..

</quote>

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 01-04-2006 23:16:04 >>>
Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by 
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember 
seeing anything posted here
on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but
don't realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on 
top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those
Active Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because
Gasp! it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up
to the one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch
them squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and
later. It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All
throughout it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many
many VB apps were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET
Blue began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a
query technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and
Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and
many many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many
years, but became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware
applications not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that
committed transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet
database technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction
logs to ensure recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best
effort crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be
embedded in a server application, does not share files, has write ahead
logging for guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET
Blue does not ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications
to write their own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/extensible_storage_engine_errors.asp 

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx 


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  2 03:56:20 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:56:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
Message-ID: <s42fadf9.061@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Well, you can argue that you don't know what you don't know ...
Maybe Mr. Clever is an expert in macro programming!

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 01-04-2006 23:50:56 >>>
Hi Marty,

The version of Jet used by Access since A2K has optional record-level
locking.  This was a significant improvement for me.

Thanks for this discussion - I had never heard before of two versions of
Jet.  But it does sound as though the two versions are very different and
may not deserve to be argued as if they were similar.

IMO, the primary problem with Access is simply that untrained inexperienced
people try to take Access beyond what they're capable of (and they don't
even know they're not!)  A person at one of my customers uses only macros,
and he tells other people that I don't know what I'm doing even though the
system they have includes over 60K lines of code.  Luckily his boss (my
invoice approver) knows the difference!

Dan



From joeget at vgernet.net  Sun Apr  2 05:19:29 2006
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 06:19:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
Message-ID: <003501c6563e$f0cebec0$e5c2f63f@JOHN>

Anyone
In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual.  I tried the security wizard but I could not seem to get it to work.  There is a delete and edit buttons on the form for each record displayed 
Thanks for the help
John  

From joeget at vgernet.net  Sun Apr  2 05:19:52 2006
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 06:19:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
Message-ID: <003c01c6563e$fe4d7cd0$e5c2f63f@JOHN>

Anyone
In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual.  I tried the security wizard but I could not seem to get it to work.  There is a delete and edit buttons on the form for each record displayed 
Thanks for the help
John  

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr  2 05:48:59 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:48:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
In-Reply-To: <003501c6563e$f0cebec0$e5c2f63f@JOHN>
Message-ID: <443038BB.10884.550DF3D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 2 Apr 2006 at 6:19, John Eget wrote:

> In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I
> would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to
> prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not
> belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then
> disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual. 


Here's how I would do it using the Windows login name:
Assuming that the field in the record is called "UserName"

1. Create a function in a module to read the Windows login name:
Option Compare Database   'Use database order for string comparisons
Option Explicit
Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal 
lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long
Function Username()
Dim strUname As String * 32
Dim lngResponse As Long
lngResponse = GetUserName(strUname, 32)
If Len(strUname) > 1 Then
    Username = Left$(strUname, InStr(strUname, Chr$(0)) - 1)
Else
    Username = "No logged In User"
End If
End Function

When the record is created, automatically fill the UserName field 
(a hidden bound text box on the form with a default value of "=Username()" 
will do it).


In the Form_Delete and Form_BeforeUpdate events include:

If Me.UserName <> Username() Then
   Msgbox "You can't alter someone else's records"
  Canel = True
  Exit Sub
End If

-- 
Stuart




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  2 05:52:41 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:52:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
Message-ID: <s42fc927.064@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Store (or retrieve) the login name somehow to variable strLoginName.
Then use the OnCurrent event:

  Dim booEdit As Boolean
  
  With Me
    booEdit = Not CBool(StrComp(!UserName.value, strloginName))
    .AllowDeletions = booEdit
    .AllowEdits = booEdit
  End With

/gustav

>>> joeget at vgernet.net 02-04-2006 12:19 >>>
Anyone
In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual.  I tried the security wizard but I could not seem to get it to work.  There is a delete and edit buttons on the form for each record displayed 
Thanks for the help
John  



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Apr  2 07:59:01 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:59:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Defense of Access
In-Reply-To: <s42fac33.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005201c65655$37c7aec0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The question in my mind is... Can you use ADO for example with JetBlue to
hold data that you then display in Access.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 4:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Defense of Access

Hi Marty

Thanks for pointing this out! Today I learned that JET means Joint Engine
Technology ...

However, I would be careful stating that AD/Exchange and Access use the
"same" engine as this "same" seems to assume a state prior to 1990:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp

<quote>

The Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) was formerly known as JET Blue, and so
frequently the term "JET Blue" or "JET" is used interchangeably with ESE.
However, there are in fact two completely separate implementations of the
Joint Engine Technology (JET) API, called JET Blue and JET Red. The term
"JET" is frequently also used to refer to JET Red, which is the database
engine under Microsoft Office Access. The two JET implementations are
completely different, are separately maintained, have a vastly different
feature set, and are not interchangeable. ..

</quote>

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 01-04-2006 23:16:04 >>>
Someone asked me for a counter argument regarding the use of Jet and by
default Access.
So here is something I pieced together from some blogs, I can't remember
seeing anything posted here on Jet version's Red and Blue.
 
Most of these database types have good arguments against using JET but don't
realize that Active Directory Services and Exchange are built on top of JET.
Don't tell me, they would throw out these applications because of their
prejudices. Yes, Mr CIO, I know, but we have to get rid of all those Active
Directory Services that you just spent two years installing because Gasp!
it's based on a JET database engine.  I really like bringing this up to the
one trick pony Oracle types who work on Windows. It is fun to watch them
squirm for awhile; although a knowledgeable db type can counter this.

 So here is some info to throw at them.

JET was originally part of Access (or FoxPro for some of the very early MS
versions). It split into Jet Red and Jet Blue. Jet Blue was used for
MSExchange and Active Directory and is shipped with Windows 2000 and later.
It's now known as ESE. Jet Red was still shipped with Access. All throughout
it's history, Jet Red has been freely distributable. Many many many VB apps
were shipped with Jet Red.

JET Red was an ISAM originally developed by Microsoft for BC7, compiled
basic. JET Blue was originally developed by Microsoft as a prospective
upgrade for Access, but it was never used in this role. JET Red and JET Blue
began sharing the common JET moniker in the Spring of 1990 when a query
technology, QJET, was developed that would host on both Red and Blue.

JET Blue went on to be used by Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory and many
many other Windows services. JET Blue was a private API for many years, but
became a published API in April of 2005 when three middle ware applications
not covered by the Windows EULA chose it as their data store.
Now anyone can use JET Blue.

Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) -- the Active Directory database engine.
ESE (Esent.dll) is an improved version of the Jet database that is used in
Microsoft Exchange Server versions 4.x and 5.5. It implements a transacted
database system, which means that it uses log files to ensure that committed
transactions are safe.
The ESE engine used by Active Directory is based on Microsoft's Jet database
technology. Jet uses a b-tree file structure with transaction logs to ensure
recoverability in the event of a system or drive failure.

JET Red is a file sharing technology with page level locking and best effort
crash recovery. JET Blue on the other hand is designed to be embedded in a
server application, does not share files, has write ahead logging for
guaranteed crash recovery and has record level locking. JET Blue does not
ship with a query engine but instead relies on applications to write their
own queries as C++ ISAM code.

With the release of Access 12 the Jet Red development team has been split
off from it's old SQL Server department and is free to develop on it's own.


Extensible Storage Engine API's
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ese/ese/ext
ensible_storage_engine_errors.asp 

Access 12's new data engine ACEDB
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2005/10/13/480870.aspx 


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Victoria, B.C.
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Apr  2 08:58:05 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:58:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
In-Reply-To: <443038BB.10884.550DF3D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <005601c6565d$7786ad60$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Thanks for this.  Another tool stored away in my framework.

:~) 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Record security

On 2 Apr 2006 at 6:19, John Eget wrote:

> In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I
> would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying 
> to prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that 
> does not belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login 
> process and then disabling a record from being deleted or edited by
another individual.


Here's how I would do it using the Windows login name:
Assuming that the field in the record is called "UserName"

1. Create a function in a module to read the Windows login name:
Option Compare Database   'Use database order for string comparisons
Option Explicit
Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal
lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long Function Username() Dim strUname
As String * 32 Dim lngResponse As Long lngResponse = GetUserName(strUname,
32) If Len(strUname) > 1 Then
    Username = Left$(strUname, InStr(strUname, Chr$(0)) - 1) Else
    Username = "No logged In User"
End If
End Function

When the record is created, automatically fill the UserName field (a hidden
bound text box on the form with a default value of "=Username()" 
will do it).


In the Form_Delete and Form_BeforeUpdate events include:

If Me.UserName <> Username() Then
   Msgbox "You can't alter someone else's records"
  Canel = True
  Exit Sub
End If

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Apr  2 09:04:08 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:04:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Record security
In-Reply-To: <003c01c6563e$fe4d7cd0$e5c2f63f@JOHN>
Message-ID: <005701c6565e$503c4700$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I built a full on user/groups table pair and class system to pull the info
when the database loads.  I have a login form that opens and which the user
has to successfully fill out before the FE will open, from which I capture
the UserID.

Having that I then have a function similar to 

	UserInGroup(UserID, GroupID)

I can then make "rules" in the FE that says specific groups (or users) can
edit / see / use specific things, whether that be forms, controls on forms,
properties of controls / forms etc.

So for example, I when it loads, I can have a form check whether a user is
allowed to view the data at all, or whether the group that the user belongs
to can edit the data etc.

Having a full blown system like this built into my framework makes all kinds
of checks dead simple.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Record security

Anyone
In this database, each record entry has an individual field for name.   I
would like anyone to view another individuals records but I am trying to
prevent another individual from editing or deleting a record that does not
belong to them.  Does someone have an example of a login process and then
disabling a record from being deleted or edited by another individual.  I
tried the security wizard but I could not seem to get it to work.  There is
a delete and edit buttons on the form for each record displayed 
Thanks for the help
John
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr  2 21:02:37 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:02:37 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403134107.01b63460@dalyn.co.nz>

Cross posted AccessD SQL

SQL2000

I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views.  I have 
two different databases that have the same tables, views and stored 
procedures.  The only difference is that the data is for separate 
companies.  Both databases are on the same server.

I developed one set of queries and stored procedure in one of the 
databases.  The main part of the stored procedure is as follows:

SELECT dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccountNo,  dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustName, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccFreq, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CurrentMth, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.OneMonth,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.TwoMonths, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.ThreeMonths, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.NoOverdueNote,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.NetReceipts, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.GJCredit, dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.NetReceiptsInv,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.GJCreditInv, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.MGrpIDNo,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDRegistered, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDFrequency, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.PayArrange,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.ReceiptNotPost AS 
ReceiptsNotPosted, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.VIPCust,        dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccStatus
FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate 
ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo AND 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate LEFT OUTER 
JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.StatNum LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.InvNum
         LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.CustIDNo

In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine (in about 
30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and restore them 
into the second database, the same stored procedure runs for over 10 
minutes with about a fifth of the data.

Is there some optimizing that I need to do to get the second database 
to work as fast as the first one?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand 

From papparuff at comcast.net  Sun Apr  2 21:37:46 2006
From: papparuff at comcast.net (John Ruff)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:37:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403134107.01b63460@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>

Check your indexes in the tables that make up the views on the db that is
running slow and compare them with the same tables in the db that is running
fast. I'd venture to say you don't have one or more columns indexed in the
slow db that should be indexed.

Also, I would suggest using aliases in your stored procedures or any long
query. It makes reading them much easier. Such as this:

SELECT 
	a.CustomerID
	,a.StatementID
	,a.AccountNo
	,a.CustName
	,a.StatementDate
	,a.StatementNumber
	,a.AccFreq
	,a.CurrentMth
	,a.OneMonth
	,a.TwoMonths
	,a.ThreeMonths
	,a.NoOverdueNote
	,c.NetReceipts
	,c.GJCredit
	,d.NetReceiptsInv
	,d.GJCreditInv
	,a.MGrpIDNo
	,a.DDRegistered
	,a.DDFrequency
	,a.PayArrange
	,e.ReceiptNotPost AS ReceiptsNotPosted
	,a.VIPCust
	,a.AccStatus
FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet AS a
INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate AS b
	ON a.CustomerID = b.CustIDNo 
	AND a.StatementDate = b.StatementDate 
LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt AS c
	ON a.CustomerID = c.CustIDNo 
	AND a.StatementNumber = c.StatNum 
LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv AS d 
	ON a.CustomerID = d.CustIDNo 
	AND a.StatementNumber = d.InvNum
LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost AS e
	ON a.CustomerID = e.CustIDNo 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views

Cross posted AccessD SQL

SQL2000

I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views.  I have 
two different databases that have the same tables, views and stored 
procedures.  The only difference is that the data is for separate 
companies.  Both databases are on the same server.

I developed one set of queries and stored procedure in one of the 
databases.  The main part of the stored procedure is as follows:

SELECT dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccountNo,  dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustName, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccFreq, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CurrentMth, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.OneMonth,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.TwoMonths, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.ThreeMonths, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.NoOverdueNote,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.NetReceipts, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.GJCredit, dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.NetReceiptsInv,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.GJCreditInv,
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.MGrpIDNo,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDRegistered, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDFrequency, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.PayArrange,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.ReceiptNotPost AS 
ReceiptsNotPosted, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.VIPCust,        dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccStatus
FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate 
ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo AND 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate LEFT OUTER 
JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.CustIDNo
AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.StatNum LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv
ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.InvNum
         LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.CustIDNo

In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine (in about 
30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and restore them 
into the second database, the same stored procedure runs for over 10 
minutes with about a fifth of the data.

Is there some optimizing that I need to do to get the second database 
to work as fast as the first one?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr  2 21:49:11 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:49:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403144712.01abbb48@dalyn.co.nz>

Cross posted AccessD SQL

SQL2000

Another thing I have noticed - When I view task manager, the first 
programme fluctuates between 80-90% of the CPU usage, but when run on 
the second database (the one which takes so long to process) the CPU 
usage sits on 99%.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand  



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr  2 22:15:49 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:15:49 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>
References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403134107.01b63460@dalyn.co.nz>
	<002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403151517.01b54d00@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks John,  I checked all the indexes and they seem to be the same.

David

At 3/04/2006, John Ruff wrote:
>Check your indexes in the tables that make up the views on the db that is
>running slow and compare them with the same tables in the db that is running
>fast. I'd venture to say you don't have one or more columns indexed in the
>slow db that should be indexed.



From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Mon Apr  3 10:24:54 2006
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:24:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation ... Setting Default
	FormattingInE	xcel
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB38@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <008601c65732$c2b39c50$026fa8c0@stormy>

Thanks Jim for all of the help ... I didn't even need to modify my code that
much!

 Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314.432.5886
fx. 314.432.3304


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation ... Setting Default FormattingInE
xcel

I use this code open the template:
strPathname="c:\template.xlt"
appExcel.Workbooks.Open strPathname, 0
The path I actually use is the path where Excel stores the templates by
default, something like C:\Documents and Settings\jhale\Application
Data\Microsoft\Templates\TrialBal_Excel_6mo.xlt

In the code segment below I copy the worksheet Dept1 as many times as called
for from a recordset:
 'routine to create and rename Worksheets
    recset(1).MoveFirst
    Dim y As Integer, z As Integer, x As Integer
    z = .Worksheets("Dept1").Index
   
      For y = z To intRst4cnt + z - 1
      strName = recset(1)("fldDPname")
        .Worksheets(y).Name = strName
        .Worksheets(y).Select
        .Range("A10").FormulaR1C1 = y - z + 1 'set index number of sheet
        
        .Range("A1").Select
         If Not recset(1).RecordCount = y - z + 1 Then
          .Worksheets(z).Copy After:=Worksheets(y)
         End If
        If Not recset(5).EOF Then recset(1).MoveNext
    Next y
I am sending you a sample database off list that shows how to paste data
into template. HTH Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Mrazek [mailto:lmrazek at lcm-res.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation ... Setting Default Formatting
InExcel


Thanks Jim:

I'm currently using the following code to create my workbook:
Set xlApp = New Excel.Application
    xlApp.Visible = True
    Set xlWb = xlApp.Workbooks.Add

To use a template, do I simply alter the last line so that it points to a
template?

    Set xlWb = xlApp.Workbooks.Add("c:\template.xlt")

Also, how do you make sure that each new worksheet inherits the template's
formatting? I'm using the following code to add the worksheet:

Set xlWs = xlWb.Worksheets.Add

Thanks in advance for all of your advice.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314.432.5886
fx. 314.432.3304



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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Apr  3 06:44:15 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74032566E8@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

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Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  3 10:47:59 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:47:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <BAY114-F32F7CB3CBCF29D961A4995D2D50@phx.gbl>

Sorry,

I have been out of commission and the loop for a few months...When and where 
is the Conference?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0400
>
>I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
>instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
>probably hit whatever they have going in the fall.
>
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
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>Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Apr  3 10:55:43 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:55:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]
Message-ID: <4431457F.1090400@san.rr.com>

Dear List:

Does anyone have any idea why my mde might be failing on one machine on 
a network but not the others?

MTIA

Rocky


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Incompatibility?
Date: 	Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:06:28 +0530
From: 	R Ramamurthy <rram22 at dataone.in>
To: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
References: 	<037001c655ff$4f2cdf00$6401a8c0 at ramamurty> 
<442F5442.6010202 at san.rr.com>




 >>I never heard of an incompatibility with AutoCAD but I suppose it's 
possible.  Do any other access mdbs have this problem on this machine?
## The Access program itself opens in that computer but only PPM does 
not. There are no other *.mdb files to try out. And all other computers 
in the LAN do not have this problem.
 
## The failure message that appears (under the PPM blue strip in the 
warning window) reads as:
 
"The expression On Open you entered as the event property setting 
produced the following erors: Licence information for the component not 
found. You do not have an appropriate licence to use the functionality 
in the design environment.
* The expression may not result in the name of a macro, the name of a 
user-defined function, or [ Event procedure ]
* There may have been an error evaluating the function, event, or macro"
 
## Rocky, please note the words  
'On Open', both with capital O's
'design environment'
Do these provide a clue?
 
Does the PPM program generate such a warning?
 
Ram

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  3 10:58:51 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:58:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
Message-ID: <s4316269.083@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer or a glass of wine ...

/gustav



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  3 11:51:09 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:51:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Trigger a macro
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5930@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I think that is a very bad idea.  Either a field is required or not in
the table.  If it won't always be filled in, then it shouldn't be
required.  You can control entry with the BeforeUpdate event of a form
quite easily and it doesn't take any monkeying around with the back end.
That is the only practical way to handle values that are required under
some circumstances and not under others.

If the data entry is being done through a query or a table, STOP IT!
Forms are there for a reason:  they allow you to control things like
this and to keep the user from shooting themselves (and you) in the
foot! 


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:21 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trigger a macro

 
In a message dated 31/03/2006 17:39:16 GMT Daylight Time,
cfoust at infostatsystems.com writes:

Charlotte


Hi Charlotte
I'm changing the Required property in TableDefs and the vb code to do
that works fine in the backend but not in the frontend.
 
It could be that changing the Required property is not the best way
forcing data entry to a control. I have some records that require a
comment while others do not. If you see what I mean. So I was trying to
switch the Required property on and off as needed.
 
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Apr  3 11:54:09 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:54:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403256736@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

www.advisor.com 


Jim D.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Sorry,

I have been out of commission and the loop for a few months...When and
where is the Conference?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0400
>
>I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando 
>instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will 
>probably hit whatever they have going in the fall.
>
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:46 PM
>To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
>Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
>
>Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
>Jim Hale
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  3 11:52:46 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:52:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5931@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

He is one of the owners of the company and originally developed the
applications in Access 2.0. 


Charlotte

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 5:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

Thanks! 
But your boss ..?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:32:04 >>>
Actually, no, I didn't.  My boss did.  And yes, I meant the system
date/time format.  The snippet I posted is called from all over and the
user might enter anything including a long date.  Like a lot of
applications, this one has grown organically over time and I have only
been allowed to maintain and extend it, not rewrite. 


Charlotte Foust

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

But all the clumsy code with Replace? Tell me you didn't write it.


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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Mon Apr  3 12:08:39 2006
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:08:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
In-Reply-To: <s4316269.083@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000001c65741$42645440$0500a8c0@masterserv>

I'm from Spain, so i live 980 km from barcelona :)
Hope to see next travel in Madrid or Oviedo ;)

Have a nice travel

Juan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: lunes, 03 de abril de 2006 17:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona


Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer
or a glass of wine ...

/gustav

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Mon Apr  3 12:52:03 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:52:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A47F5ED@aries.TexasSystems.local>


David,

> I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views ...  
> In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine 
> (in about 30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and 
> restore them into the second database, the same stored procedure 
> runs for over 10 minutes...

It is a little hard to give advice without more information: 

* Are the views simple views (SELECTs against a single table) or complex
(SELECTs against multiple tables)?
* Are the views indexed?
* Are you returning a subset of the records in your procedure, or
everything? (In other words, is there a WHERE clause you are not showing
us?)
* What is the distribution of the data? For instance, does
vwAgedDebtorGet return greatly more or less records than
vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate? 

Even without answers to these questions, there is a diagnostic method
that will almost certainly work: Test by Destruction. To do this: 

1. Make copies of your proc on both databases. 
2. On the copies, remove one view at a time from each proc. (start from
the bottom)
3. Recreate both procs, and test the response time. 
4. Repeat steps 2-3 until your slower proc performs as expected, or you
run out of views

The last view you removed, or the last one standing, is the one that is
introducing the slowdown. Investigate that view, because something about
it is different between the two databases, or the data it is querying is
different. If the view is complex, you can test it by destruction using
the process outlined above to find the table or join that is causing the
problem.

Test by Destruction is a generic, simple way of isolating problems in
complex queries. 

-Ken


From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr  3 13:56:21 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:56:21 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB40@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very worthwhile since
I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish I could go to Orlando
but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale

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From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:46 PM
To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Apr  3 14:37:25 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:37:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
In-Reply-To: <s4316269.083@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV52D99F3E1E5E8567017F5D2D50@phx.gbl>

I'd love to share a beer with you, Gustav, but shall not get to Spain until
October, and then in the North*West*!
John


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 03 April 2006 16:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona


Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer
or a glass of wine ...

/gustav

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  3 15:35:51 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:35:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]
References: <4431457F.1090400@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <44318727.4040100@shaw.ca>

You might get this with ArcInfo as it uses Access as one of its data 
engines,
so you might get a bum DAO reference on an install, don't know about AutoCAD
AutoCAD might also might forece an install of an old common control.

This might help

Stick this code in an mde and run on the odd machine.
It will printout the possible reference differences (version number, 
path and name).
Or rewrite this inorder to dump to a text file like
'kill file as necessary
Open c:\temp\outputref.txt For Output As #1
     Print #1, ReferencePropertiesList
     Close #1
Run it from autoexec macro, code should be fully disambiguated to avoid 
any initial reference check
before running. ie VBA.MsgBox, Access.Reference and VBA.Len, VarPtr 
might not be available in lower versions of Access
might be a replacement on www.mvps.org/access


Place in 3 seperate modules.

'http://allenbrowne.com/ser-38.html
'http://www.accessmvp.com/djsteele/AccessReferenceErrors.html'

'I got tired of trying to decipher the full path name to a DLL in Tools:
'Reference Window. In Access 97 it cuts off the path filename at about 30
'chars. To get the a list of the all the filenames and paths for your
'external references, run the routine below it places all the references
'into a string suitable for dropping into a text box. As an afterthought I
'added some code to give the actual version number from the dll or ocx file
'etc. This might be useful in an MDE to track if the user has correct
'version number of DAO ADO etc. installed. Place in About popup window.
' It only seems to work some of the time if a reference is missing, seems
'to depend on installation order. So it might not help in all missing 
references.

Function ReferencePropertiesList() As String
'list all references in a MDB and place in a string
   Dim ref As Access.Reference
   Dim strList As String
    strList = "Reference Properties:" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
   For Each ref In Access.References
      ' Check for ActiveX type files
      'Check for Broken Properties
      If ref.IsBroken = False Then
        strList = strList & "  Name: " & ref.Name & vbCrLf
        strList = strList & " FullPath: " & ref.FullPath & vbCrLf
        strList = strList & " Version: " & ref.Major & "." & ref.Minor & _
                   vbCrLf

          'skip these two calls if detail not needed
         strList = strList & " Description: " & _
                  GetFileDescription(ref.FullPath) & vbCrLf
          strList = strList & " Version No: " & _
                  FileVersionNo(ref.FullPath) & _
                 vbCrLf & vbCrLf
         Else
        strList = strList & " GUIDs of broken references:" & vbCrLf
        strList = strList & " " & ref.Guid & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
       End If
 
   'VBA.MsgBox GetFileDescription(ref.FullPath) & " - " & 
FileVersionNo(ref.FullPath)
   Next ref
   Debug.Print strList
   ReferencePropertiesList = strList
End Function
------------------ module 2



 'usage: file description

'Private Sub Command1_Click()
'    MsgBox GetFileDescription("c:\windows\system\shell32.dll")
'End Sub

'Declarations:
Private Declare Function GetLocaleInfoA Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal lLCID As _
Long, ByVal lLCTYPE As Long, ByVal strLCData As String, ByVal lDataLen As _
Long) As Long

Private Declare Sub lstrcpyn Lib "kernel32.dll" (ByVal strDest As String, _
ByVal strSrc As Any, ByVal lBytes As Long)

Private Declare Function GetFileVersionInfoSize Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "GetFileVersionInfoSizeA" (ByVal sFile As String, lpLen As Long) 
As Long

Private Declare Function GetFileVersionInfo Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "GetFileVersionInfoA" (ByVal sFile As String, ByVal lpIgnored As _
Long, ByVal lpSize As Long, ByVal lpBuf As Long) As Long

Private Declare Function VerQueryValue Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "VerQueryValueA" (ByVal lpBuf As Long, ByVal szReceive As String, _
lpBufPtr As Long, lLen As Long) As Long

Private Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" _
 (pDest As Any, pSource As Any, ByVal ByteLen As Long)

Private Declare Function GetUserDefaultLCID Lib "kernel32.dll" () As Long

 'Functions:

Public Function StringFromBuffer(buffer As String) As String
    Dim nPos As Long

    nPos = VBA.InStr(buffer, vbNullChar)
    If nPos > 0 Then
        StringFromBuffer = VBA.Left$(buffer, nPos - 1)
    Else
        StringFromBuffer = buffer
    End If
End Function

Public Function GetFileDescription(ByVal sFile As String) As String
    Dim lVerSize As Long
    Dim lTemp As Long
    Dim lRet As Long
    Dim bInfo() As Byte
    Dim lpBuffer As Long
    Dim sDesc As String
    Dim sKEY As String

    lVerSize = GetFileVersionInfoSize(sFile, lTemp)
    ReDim bInfo(lVerSize)
    If lVerSize > 0 Then
    lRet = GetFileVersionInfo(sFile, lTemp, lVerSize, VBA.VarPtr(bInfo(0)))
        If lRet <> 0 Then
            sKEY = GetNLSKey(bInfo)
            lRet = VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(bInfo(0)), sKEY & 
"\FileDescription", lpBuffer, lVerSize)
            If lRet <> 0 Then
                sDesc = VBA.Space$(lVerSize)
                lstrcpyn sDesc, lpBuffer, lVerSize
                GetFileDescription = StringFromBuffer(sDesc)
            End If
        End If
    End If
End Function

Public Function GetNLSKey(byteVerData() As Byte) As String
    Static strLANGCP As String
    Dim lpBufPtr As Long
    Dim strNLSKey As String
    Dim fGotNLSKey As Integer
    Dim intOffset As Integer
    Dim lVerSize As Long
    Dim lTmp As Long
    Dim lBufLen As Long
    Dim lLCID As Long
    Dim strTmp As String

    On Error GoTo GNLSKCleanup
    If VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(byteVerData(0)), 
"\VarFileInfo\Translation", lpBufPtr, lVerSize) <> 0 Then
        If VBA.Len(strLANGCP) = 0 Then
            lLCID = GetUserDefaultLCID()
            If lLCID > 0 Then
                strTmp = VBA.Space$(8)
                GetLocaleInfoA lLCID, 11, strTmp, 8
                strLANGCP = StringFromBuffer(strTmp)
                Do While VBA.Len(strLANGCP) < 4
                    strLANGCP = "0" & strLANGCP
                Loop
                GetLocaleInfoA lLCID, 9, strTmp, 8
                strLANGCP = StringFromBuffer(strTmp) & strLANGCP
                Do While VBA.Len(strLANGCP) < 8
                    strLANGCP = "0" & strLANGCP
                Loop
            End If
        End If
        If VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(byteVerData(0)), strLANGCP, lTmp, 
lBufLen) <> 0 Then
            strNLSKey = strLANGCP
        Else
            For intOffset = 0 To lVerSize - 1 Step 4
                CopyMemory lTmp, ByVal lpBufPtr + intOffset, 4
                strTmp = VBA.Hex$(lTmp)
                Do While VBA.Len(strTmp) < 8
                    strTmp = "0" & strTmp
                Loop
                strNLSKey = "\StringFileInfo\" & Right$(strTmp, 4) & 
Left$(strTmp, 4)
                If VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(byteVerData(0)), strNLSKey, 
lTmp, lBufLen) <> 0 Then
                    fGotNLSKey = True
                    Exit For
                End If
            Next
            If Not fGotNLSKey Then
                strNLSKey = "\StringFileInfo\040904E4"
                If VerQueryValue(VBA.VarPtr(byteVerData(0)), strNLSKey, 
lTmp, lBufLen) <> 0 Then
                    fGotNLSKey = True
                End If
            End If
        End If
    End If
GNLSKCleanup:
    If fGotNLSKey Then
        GetNLSKey = strNLSKey
    End If
End Function

------------------------ module 3


'Eg. Get Version Details of C:\Windows\System\Comctl32.ocx
'Sub Example()
'    Debug.Print FileVersionNo("C:\Windows\System\comctl32.ocx")
'End Sub
'http://www.vbusers.com/code/codeget.asp?ThreadID=58&PostID=1&NumReplies=1
'--------------GET VERSION INFO API-----------------------
Private Declare Sub CopyMem Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" _
(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)
Private Declare Function VerQueryValue Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "VerQueryValueA" (pBlock As Any, ByVal lpSubBlock As String, _
lplpBuffer As Any, puLen As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetFileVersionInfoSize Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "GetFileVersionInfoSizeA" (ByVal lptstrFilename As String, 
lpdwHandle _
As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetFileVersionInfo Lib "Version.dll" _
Alias "GetFileVersionInfoA" (ByVal lptstrFilename As String, ByVal 
dwhandle _
As Long, ByVal dwlen As Long, lpData As Any) As Long

Private Type VS_FIXEDFILEINFO
   Signature As Long
   StrucVersionl As Integer     '  e.g. = &h0000 = 0
   StrucVersionh As Integer     '  e.g. = &h0042 = .42
   FileVersionMSl As Integer    '  e.g. = &h0003 = 3
   FileVersionMSh As Integer    '  e.g. = &h0075 = .75
   FileVersionLSl As Integer    '  e.g. = &h0000 = 0
   FileVersionLSh As Integer    '  e.g. = &h0031 = .31
   ProductVersionMSl As Integer '  e.g. = &h0003 = 3
   ProductVersionMSh As Integer '  e.g. = &h0010 = .1
   ProductVersionLSl As Integer '  e.g. = &h0000 = 0
   ProductVersionLSh As Integer '  e.g. = &h0031 = .31
   FileFlagsMask As Long        '  = &h3F for version "0.42"
   FileFlags As Long            '  e.g. VFF_DEBUG Or VFF_PRERELEASE
   FileOS As Long               '  e.g. VOS_DOS_WINDOWS16
   FileType As Long             '  e.g. VFT_DRIVER
   FileSubtype As Long          '  e.g. VFT2_DRV_KEYBOARD
   FileDateMS As Long           '  e.g. 0
   FileDateLS As Long           '  e.g. 0
End Type

'Purpose     :  To obtain the file version info of a DLL, OCX, EXE etc.
'Inputs      :  sFileName               The path and name of the file to 
return the version info
'Outputs     :  Returns the file version number of the specified file
'Author      :  Andrew Baker
'Date        :  09/10/2000 23:39
'Notes       :
'Revisions   :

Function FileVersionNo(sFileName As String) As String
   Dim lFileHwnd As Long, lRet As Long, lBufferLen As Long, lplpBuffer 
As Long, lpuLen As Long
   Dim abytBuffer() As Byte
   Dim tVerInfo As VS_FIXEDFILEINFO
   Dim sBlock As String
   Dim sStrucVer As String
   Dim lentVerInfo As Long
    'Get the size File version info structure
    lBufferLen = GetFileVersionInfoSize(sFileName, lFileHwnd)
    If lBufferLen = 0 Then
       Exit Function
    End If

    'Create byte array buffer, then copy memory into structure
    ReDim abytBuffer(lBufferLen)
    Call GetFileVersionInfo(sFileName, 0&, lBufferLen, abytBuffer(0))
    Call VerQueryValue(abytBuffer(0), "\", lplpBuffer, lpuLen)
    'lentVerInfo = VBA.Len(tVerInfo) 'doesn't compile Len(tVerInfo) does 
so force
    'with magic number
    lentVerInfo = 52
   
    Call CopyMem(tVerInfo, ByVal lplpBuffer, lentVerInfo)

    'Determine structure version number (For info only)
    sStrucVer = VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.StrucVersionh) & "." & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.StrucVersionl)

    'Concatenate file version number details into a result string
    FileVersionNo = VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionMSh) & "." & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionMSl, "00") & "."
    If tVerInfo.FileVersionLSh > 0 Then
        FileVersionNo = FileVersionNo & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionLSh, "0000") & "." & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionLSl, "00")
    Else
        FileVersionNo = FileVersionNo & 
VBA.Format$(tVerInfo.FileVersionLSl, "0000")
    End If
End Function








Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dear List:
>
>Does anyone have any idea why my mde might be failing on one machine on 
>a network but not the others?
>
>MTIA
>
>Rocky
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: 	Re: Incompatibility?
>Date: 	Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:06:28 +0530
>From: 	R Ramamurthy <rram22 at dataone.in>
>To: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>References: 	<037001c655ff$4f2cdf00$6401a8c0 at ramamurty> 
><442F5442.6010202 at san.rr.com>
>
>
>
>
> >>I never heard of an incompatibility with AutoCAD but I suppose it's 
>possible.  Do any other access mdbs have this problem on this machine?
>## The Access program itself opens in that computer but only PPM does 
>not. There are no other *.mdb files to try out. And all other computers 
>in the LAN do not have this problem.
> 
>## The failure message that appears (under the PPM blue strip in the 
>warning window) reads as:
> 
>"The expression On Open you entered as the event property setting 
>produced the following erors: Licence information for the component not 
>found. You do not have an appropriate licence to use the functionality 
>in the design environment.
>* The expression may not result in the name of a macro, the name of a 
>user-defined function, or [ Event procedure ]
>* There may have been an error evaluating the function, event, or macro"
> 
>## Rocky, please note the words  
>'On Open', both with capital O's
>'design environment'
>Do these provide a clue?
> 
>Does the PPM program generate such a warning?
> 
>Ram
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr  3 15:57:28 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:57:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]
In-Reply-To: <4431457F.1090400@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <443218D8.26828.284AE54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Looks like it's not Access that's failing. It looks like a third part 
control that thinks it is being opened in design mode.

First thing to do is look at what 3rd party controls you are referencing.

> "The expression On Open you entered as the event property setting 
> produced the following erors: Licence information for the component not
> found. You do not have an appropriate licence to use the functionality in
> the design environment. * The expression may not result in the name of a
> macro, the name of a user-defined function, or [ Event procedure ] * There
> may have been an error evaluating the function, event, or macro"
> 
> ## Rocky, please note the words  
> 'On Open', both with capital O's
> 'design environment'
> Do these provide a clue?
> 
> Does the PPM program generate such a warning?
> 
> Ram
> 
> -- 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> 
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-- 
Stuart




From darrend at nimble.com.au  Tue Apr  4 00:12:37 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:12:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
Message-ID: <20060404051223.BEGX19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi all
Cross Posted to dbqSQL list
I am outputting reports to Excel from reporting services (SQL)
The reports have many tables on them with differing column widths
When I output the reports to Excel I find many columns with no data in them
 
Is there a way I can write some VBA and have it determine the last row on the
sheet with a value in it
determine if there is any data in any cell from the top to the bottom - if there
is no data in the column
delete it. Then 'tighten' all the columns?
 
E.G. Column A has data, column B not data, column c has data
Delete column b and move column C to the left
 
E.G. AirCode
For my sheet
    find last.row with data ' that becomes the base point
    find last.column with data ' that becomes a base point
loop through columns & rows
    for A to last column
        from 1 to last row
    if data = null then
    delete column currentcolumn
blah blah blah
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Apr  4 03:07:23 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:07:23 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
References: <20060404051223.BEGX19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <005601c657be$db262230$6501a8c0@Nant>

Hi Darren,

Here is the code (it was good morning exercise!):

' Deletes empty columns of Excel.Worksheet {{rwks}}
' of an Excel.Range starting at
' {{vlngStartRow}}, {{vlngStartCol}} cell
Public Sub DropEmptyColumns( _
               ByRef rwks As Excel.Worksheet, _
               ByVal vlngStartRow As Long, ByVal vlngStartCol As Long)
Dim xlApp As Excel.Application
Dim rng As Excel.Range
Dim rngCol As Excel.Range
Dim rngAreas As Excel.Range
Dim lngColIdx As Long
Dim lngIdx As Long
Dim avar As Variant
Dim evar As Variant
Dim fEmptyColumn As Boolean
Dim rngArea As Excel.Range
    Set xlApp = rwks.Application
    ' select non-empty region
    Set rng = rwks.Cells(vlngStartRow, vlngStartCol).CurrentRegion
    If rng.Columns.Count > 0 Then
       ' for each column in selected region...
       For lngColIdx = 1 To rng.Columns.Count
          ' select column range without first (title) cell
          Set rngCol = rwks.Range( _
                       rwks.Cells(rng.Row + 1, lngColIdx), _
                       rwks.Cells(rng.Rows.Count + rng.Row + 1, lngColIdx))
          ' get column values into variant array
          avar = rngCol.Value
          fEmptyColumn = True
          ' search for not empty values in column array
          For lngIdx = LBound(avar) + 1 To UBound(avar)
            If Not IsEmpty(avar(lngIdx, 1)) Then
               ' when the first not-empty cell found
               ' set fEmptyColumn flag to False and exit cicle
               fEmptyColumn = False
               Exit For
            End If
          Next lngIdx

          If fEmptyColumn Then
             ' if column is empty add it to the area
             '  of the columns to be deleted
             Set rngCol = rwks.Columns(lngColIdx)
             If rngArea Is Nothing Then
                Set rngArea = rngCol.Areas.Item(1)
             Else
                Set rngArea = xlApp.Union(rngArea, rngCol)
             End If
          End If
       Next lngColIdx
    End If
    If Not rngArea Is Nothing Then
       ' delete empty columns' area
       rngArea.Delete
    End If
End Sub

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren DICK" <darrend at nimble.com.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q


> Hi all
> Cross Posted to dbqSQL list
> I am outputting reports to Excel from reporting services (SQL)
> The reports have many tables on them with differing column widths
> When I output the reports to Excel I find many columns with no data in 
> them
>
> Is there a way I can write some VBA and have it determine the last row on 
> the
> sheet with a value in it
> determine if there is any data in any cell from the top to the bottom - if 
> there
> is no data in the column
> delete it. Then 'tighten' all the columns?
>
> E.G. Column A has data, column B not data, column c has data
> Delete column b and move column C to the left
>
> E.G. AirCode
> For my sheet
>    find last.row with data ' that becomes the base point
>    find last.column with data ' that becomes a base point
> loop through columns & rows
>    for A to last column
>        from 1 to last row
>    if data = null then
>    delete column currentcolumn
> blah blah blah
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 03:25:30 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:25:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
Message-ID: <s43249af.092@cactus.dk>

Hi Juan

OK, I'll make a note on that!

/gustav

>>> mastercafe at ctv.es 03-04-2006 19:08 >>>
I'm from Spain, so i live 980 km from barcelona :)
Hope to see next travel in Madrid or Oviedo ;)

Have a nice travel

Juan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: lunes, 03 de abril de 2006 17:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona


Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer
or a glass of wine ...

/gustav



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 03:34:00 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:34:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona
Message-ID: <s4324bb1.093@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Oh, that would require a looong drink in both time and space.

/gustav

>>> djkr at msn.com 03-04-2006 21:37 >>>
I'd love to share a beer with you, Gustav, but shall not get to Spain until
October, and then in the North*West*!
John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 03 April 2006 16:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Barcelona


Hi all

Any listmembers from Spain?
I'll stay in Barcelona during Easter and would have time for sharing a beer
or a glass of wine ...

/gustav



From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Tue Apr  4 05:45:16 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 06:45:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Return to same record after cancel.
Message-ID: <000901c657d4$dca6f3d0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Just discovered a lovely little one-two punch that everyone probably already 
knows about but was new to me.

If the user cancels an operation, I wanted to take them back to the record 
they were working on before they opened some other window.  The example is 
when my user clicks on the "Add New Record" command button.  If he/she 
changes his/her mind and decides to cancel the add operation, then I want to 
return to the record they were working on before they opened the "Add New 
Record" popup.

Because of some other things that are done in that popup, I need to requery 
the original form during the Cancel.  As you know, when the form is 
requeried, it returns to the first record in the form.

The workaround I discovered is this:

Private Sub cmdCancel()
   Dim lngCurrRec as Long
    lngCurrRec = Forms!PreviousFormName.CuirrentRecord

    -------
    Whatever other code you want in the Cancel event
    including the Forms!PreviousFormName.Requery
    -------
  DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "PreviousFormName", acGoTo, lngCurrRec

  DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.name

Exit Sub

This won't work if you've added any new records, of course, but it works 
great for a Cancel operation.  I've used recordset bookmarks a lot for 
similar operations but they won't work in this instance and this is so clean 
and neat, I really like it.

Penn



From darrend at nimble.com.au  Tue Apr  4 06:25:15 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:25:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
In-Reply-To: <005601c657be$db262230$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <20060404112534.ULLW17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Shamil
Genius - absolute genius
Thank you sooooo much for taking the time on this
This will help things along nicely
Brilliant


Darren
------------------------------
T: 0424 696 433
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2006 6:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q

Hi Darren,

Here is the code (it was good morning exercise!):

' Deletes empty columns of Excel.Worksheet {{rwks}} ' of an Excel.Range starting
at ' {{vlngStartRow}}, {{vlngStartCol}} cell Public Sub DropEmptyColumns( _
               ByRef rwks As Excel.Worksheet, _
               ByVal vlngStartRow As Long, ByVal vlngStartCol As Long) Dim xlApp
As Excel.Application Dim rng As Excel.Range Dim rngCol As Excel.Range Dim
rngAreas As Excel.Range Dim lngColIdx As Long Dim lngIdx As Long Dim avar As
Variant Dim evar As Variant Dim fEmptyColumn As Boolean Dim rngArea As
Excel.Range
    Set xlApp = rwks.Application
    ' select non-empty region
    Set rng = rwks.Cells(vlngStartRow, vlngStartCol).CurrentRegion
    If rng.Columns.Count > 0 Then
       ' for each column in selected region...
       For lngColIdx = 1 To rng.Columns.Count
          ' select column range without first (title) cell
          Set rngCol = rwks.Range( _
                       rwks.Cells(rng.Row + 1, lngColIdx), _
                       rwks.Cells(rng.Rows.Count + rng.Row + 1, lngColIdx))
          ' get column values into variant array
          avar = rngCol.Value
          fEmptyColumn = True
          ' search for not empty values in column array
          For lngIdx = LBound(avar) + 1 To UBound(avar)
            If Not IsEmpty(avar(lngIdx, 1)) Then
               ' when the first not-empty cell found
               ' set fEmptyColumn flag to False and exit cicle
               fEmptyColumn = False
               Exit For
            End If
          Next lngIdx

          If fEmptyColumn Then
             ' if column is empty add it to the area
             '  of the columns to be deleted
             Set rngCol = rwks.Columns(lngColIdx)
             If rngArea Is Nothing Then
                Set rngArea = rngCol.Areas.Item(1)
             Else
                Set rngArea = xlApp.Union(rngArea, rngCol)
             End If
          End If
       Next lngColIdx
    End If
    If Not rngArea Is Nothing Then
       ' delete empty columns' area
       rngArea.Delete
    End If
End Sub

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren DICK" <darrend at nimble.com.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q


> Hi all
> Cross Posted to dbqSQL list
> I am outputting reports to Excel from reporting services (SQL)
> The reports have many tables on them with differing column widths
> When I output the reports to Excel I find many columns with no data in 
> them
>
> Is there a way I can write some VBA and have it determine the last row on 
> the
> sheet with a value in it
> determine if there is any data in any cell from the top to the bottom - if 
> there
> is no data in the column
> delete it. Then 'tighten' all the columns?
>
> E.G. Column A has data, column B not data, column c has data
> Delete column b and move column C to the left
>
> E.G. AirCode
> For my sheet
>    find last.row with data ' that becomes the base point
>    find last.column with data ' that becomes a base point
> loop through columns & rows
>    for A to last column
>        from 1 to last row
>    if data = null then
>    delete column currentcolumn
> blah blah blah
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 

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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 08:54:42 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:54:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74032567AE@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

A lot of the conferences are in Vegas now.  I've been to a couple there
but I really wish they'd find somewhere else.  I can only take so much
of that town (although I do get to visit my parents when there!!). 


Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very worthwhile
since I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish I could go
to Orlando but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:46 PM
To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 09:15:08 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:15:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
Message-ID: <s4329ba5.012@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Why can Excel read data from a live web page table just like that while Access can't?

Go to this page: 
  http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a

In IE, right-click on the table and choose Import in Excel, and in two seconds Excel opens with a worksheet with the linked data.

You can edit the query Excel uses and save it. This is it:

<iqy>
WEB
1
http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

Selection=1
Formatting=None
PreFormattedTextToColumns=True
ConsecutiveDelimitersAsOne=True
SingleBlockTextImport=False
DisableDateRecognition=False
</iqy>

If you use IE to save the page as a single html page, Access can link to that fine, so data is valid.
Any tricks for the live link? 

/gustav



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Apr  4 09:36:04 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:36:04 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB4A@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Yea, the chamber of commerce's real motto is "the money you take to Vegas
stays in Vegas." Texas Hold'em at night and Access seminars during the day-
my head will probably start spinning and explode. I'll report back to the
group if I find out anything interesting.
Jim Hale

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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


A lot of the conferences are in Vegas now.  I've been to a couple there
but I really wish they'd find somewhere else.  I can only take so much
of that town (although I do get to visit my parents when there!!). 


Jim

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I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very worthwhile
since I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish I could go
to Orlando but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale


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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue Apr  4 09:55:55 2006
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:55:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
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Hi All,

I ran into a problem with installing Office 2003 Pro on my computer.
I had created several databases with Access 2000, prior to my Office
upgrade, which used the Outlook 9.0 (2000) object model. When I open
these databases up, Access 2003 automatically changes the reference from
Outlook 9.0 to 11.0.
When a user, using Office 2000, opens this database they have a missing
reference!

How do others on this list deal with this issue where you are using a
newer version of Office to develop than the user's environment?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  4 10:13:19 2006
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:13:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
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Message-ID: <001b01c657fa$4eeca550$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>

Jim,

Didn't you and I meet for drinks in Hollywood one year at
one of the seminars?

Joe Hecht
jmhecht at earthlink.net
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

A lot of the conferences are in Vegas now.  I've been to a
couple there
but I really wish they'd find somewhere else.  I can only
take so much
of that town (although I do get to visit my parents when
there!!). 


Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very
worthwhile
since I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish
I could go
to Orlando but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale

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From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in
Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and
will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

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Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 10:37:23 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:37:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C740344409C@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I was going to mention what a great event Advisor hosted in Hollywood a
few years back.

Yes we did have a beer at the Hollywood Rennaisance Hotel (right next to
the famous Chinese Theatre and the Kodak, home of the Oscars).  Always
great to meet a list member.

I'd like to see something in San Francisco but late winter seems to be
hot there for conferences and I'm a warm weather kind of guy! 


Jim D.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

Jim,

Didn't you and I meet for drinks in Hollywood one year at one of the
seminars?

Joe Hecht
jmhecht at earthlink.net
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

A lot of the conferences are in Vegas now.  I've been to a couple there
but I really wish they'd find somewhere else.  I can only take so much
of that town (although I do get to visit my parents when there!!). 


Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference

I'm going to the Vegas show. It looks like it will be very worthwhile
since I am facing a number of issues they will cover. I wish I could go
to Orlando but one a year is about all I can swing.
Jim Hale

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From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Las Vegas conference


I was going to go but decided to attend DevConnections in Orlando
instead.  Are you going?  I really like Advisor's events and will
probably hit whatever they have going in the fall. 


Jim DeMarco

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Anybody going to vague-us for the Access conference 4/9?
Jim Hale

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From MEC at stowers-institute.org  Tue Apr  4 10:43:57 2006
From: MEC at stowers-institute.org (Cook, Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:43:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
Message-ID: <CED81D34E37D5043A1211565277A51E504D2DD53@exchkc02.stowers-institute.org>

Darren,

'assuming your reports contain tables that have header columns but
otherwise lack values,
'you may want one of the following xxxDeleteBlankData subs.

Option Explicit
Public Sub ActiveCellCurrentRegionDeleteBlankData()
  RangeDeleteBlankData Excel.ActiveCell.CurrentRegion
End Sub
Public Sub SheetDeleteBlankData(Optional s As Excel.Worksheet)
  If s Is Nothing Then Set s = Excel.ActiveSheet
  RangeDeleteBlankData s.Range(1, 1).CurrentRegion
End Sub

Public Sub RangeDeleteBlankData(Optional r As Excel.Range)
  If r Is Nothing Then Set r = ActiveCell.CurrentRegion
  Dim col As Excel.Range
  For Each col In r.Columns
    If AllAreSpecialCells(col.Offset(1), xlCellTypeBlanks) Then
col.Delete (xlShiftToLeft)
  Next
End Sub

Public Function AllAreSpecialCells(r As Excel.Range, CellType As
XlCellType) As Boolean
  'Returns TRUE only if all the cells in the range are 'SpecialCells' of
type CellType
  On Error Resume Next ' error generated if NONE are special.  So,
return FALSE
  AllAreSpecialCells = r.Count = r.SpecialCells(CellType).Count
End Function

Malcolm Cook
Database Applications Manager, Bioinformatics
Stowers Institute for Medical Research 

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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:13 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] WAY OT:Excel Q
>
>Hi all
>Cross Posted to dbqSQL list
>I am outputting reports to Excel from reporting services (SQL)
>The reports have many tables on them with differing column widths
>When I output the reports to Excel I find many columns with no 
>data in them
> 
>Is there a way I can write some VBA and have it determine the 
>last row on the
>sheet with a value in it
>determine if there is any data in any cell from the top to the 
>bottom - if there
>is no data in the column
>delete it. Then 'tighten' all the columns?
> 
>E.G. Column A has data, column B not data, column c has data
>Delete column b and move column C to the left
> 
>E.G. AirCode
>For my sheet
>    find last.row with data ' that becomes the base point
>    find last.column with data ' that becomes a base point
>loop through columns & rows
>    for A to last column
>        from 1 to last row
>    if data = null then
>    delete column currentcolumn
>blah blah blah
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 11:00:42 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:00:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
Message-ID: <s432b472.020@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Maybe I can answer this myself ...

I've looked around and live connection seems just not to work. The reason Excel can do it, is that it doesn't ... you ask it to requery and it reads in the page and the data and saves them in the worksheet for a static view.

For Access that static view is an external file. Thus download the page to a file and link that as a table.
However, the download can be semi-automated. 
You can use this function to download the file (takes less than a second) before opening the linked table in Access - no relink is needed:

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long

Public Function DownloadFile( _
  ByVal strURL As String, _
  ByVal strLocalFilename As String) _
  As Long
  
' Download file or page with public access from the web.
' 2004-12-17. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

' Usage, download a file:
' lngRet = DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/Graphics/conf2002/2002ConferencePicsbySmolin/images/dba02smolin27.jpg", "c:\happybassett.jpg")
'
' Usage, download a page:
' lngRet = DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/conf2002/conf200202.htm", "c:\dbaconference.htm")

' Returns 0 if success, error code if not.
' Error codes:
' -2146697210 "file not found".
' -2146697211 "domain not found".

' Limitation.
' Does not check if local file was created successfully.

  Dim lngRetVal As Long
    
  lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL & vbNullChar, strLocalFilename & vbNullChar, 0, 0)
  
  DownloadFile = lngRetVal
  
End Function

You could download the file when launching the app or a form, or if a more frequent update is needed, have a timer running doing it. When the file is written you cannot have the table linked to it open in Access so some sort of error handling is needed. That could be avoided by just opening the linked table for updating the data in another table the moment after a fresh download.

/gustav

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 04-04-2006 16:15:08 >>>
Hi all

Why can Excel read data from a live web page table just like that while Access can't?

Go to this page: 
  http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

In IE, right-click on the table and choose Import in Excel, and in two seconds Excel opens with a worksheet with the linked data.

You can edit the query Excel uses and save it. This is it:

<iqy>
WEB
1
http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

Selection=1
Formatting=None
PreFormattedTextToColumns=True
ConsecutiveDelimitersAsOne=True
SingleBlockTextImport=False
DisableDateRecognition=False
</iqy>

If you use IE to save the page as a single html page, Access can link to that fine, so data is valid.
Any tricks for the live link? 

/gustav




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 11:09:35 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:09:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>
References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403134107.01b63460@dalyn.co.nz>
	<002401c656c7$984076c0$6501a8c0@PAPPARUFF>
Message-ID: <b874372a0604040909v265f6a55xdf08ba090861f6ee@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to make sure that both are running identically... one way
would be to run the utility from red-gate.

http://www.red-gate.com/products/SQL_Compare/index.htm

It's trial ware which is great for 14 days.  I use it from time to
time on dev systems.  Typically I run a backup of the live system to
the dev box, but this is another quick fix you can use

On 4/2/06, John Ruff <papparuff at comcast.net> wrote:
> Check your indexes in the tables that make up the views on the db that is
> running slow and compare them with the same tables in the db that is running
> fast. I'd venture to say you don't have one or more columns indexed in the
> slow db that should be indexed.
>
> Also, I would suggest using aliases in your stored procedures or any long
> query. It makes reading them much easier. Such as this:
>
> SELECT
>         a.CustomerID
>         ,a.StatementID
>         ,a.AccountNo
>         ,a.CustName
>         ,a.StatementDate
>         ,a.StatementNumber
>         ,a.AccFreq
>         ,a.CurrentMth
>         ,a.OneMonth
>         ,a.TwoMonths
>         ,a.ThreeMonths
>         ,a.NoOverdueNote
>         ,c.NetReceipts
>         ,c.GJCredit
>         ,d.NetReceiptsInv
>         ,d.GJCreditInv
>         ,a.MGrpIDNo
>         ,a.DDRegistered
>         ,a.DDFrequency
>         ,a.PayArrange
>         ,e.ReceiptNotPost AS ReceiptsNotPosted
>         ,a.VIPCust
>         ,a.AccStatus
> FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet AS a
> INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate AS b
>         ON a.CustomerID = b.CustIDNo
>         AND a.StatementDate = b.StatementDate
> LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt AS c
>         ON a.CustomerID = c.CustIDNo
>         AND a.StatementNumber = c.StatNum
> LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv AS d
>         ON a.CustomerID = d.CustIDNo
>         AND a.StatementNumber = d.InvNum
> LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost AS e
>         ON a.CustomerID = e.CustIDNo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:03 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
>
> Cross posted AccessD SQL
>
> SQL2000
>
> I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views.  I have
> two different databases that have the same tables, views and stored
> procedures.  The only difference is that the data is for separate
> companies.  Both databases are on the same server.
>
> I developed one set of queries and stored procedure in one of the
> databases.  The main part of the stored procedure is as follows:
>
> SELECT dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementID,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccountNo,  dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustName,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccFreq, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CurrentMth,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.OneMonth,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.TwoMonths,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.ThreeMonths, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.NoOverdueNote,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.NetReceipts,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.GJCredit, dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.NetReceiptsInv,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.GJCreditInv,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.MGrpIDNo,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDRegistered,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDFrequency, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.PayArrange,
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.ReceiptNotPost AS
> ReceiptsNotPosted,
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.VIPCust,        dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccStatus
> FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate
> ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo AND
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate =
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate LEFT OUTER
> JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt ON
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.CustIDNo
> AND
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber =
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.StatNum LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv
> ON
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.CustIDNo AND
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber =
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.InvNum
>          LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost ON
>          dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
> dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.CustIDNo
>
> In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine (in about
> 30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and restore them
> into the second database, the same stored procedure runs for over 10
> minutes with about a fifth of the data.
>
> Is there some optimizing that I need to do to get the second database
> to work as fast as the first one?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> New Zealand
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  4 11:10:28 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:10:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Strip out text
In-Reply-To: <s432b472.020@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F258D2F31D42381840C538DD2CA0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a dictionary 
for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list of field names 
in each table.  The format is the same across the board: BB_CREG_TU  or 
TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an undersore...more letters...and 
so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this list 
of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For the 
example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and ending with 
FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any suggestions/direction 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr  4 11:22:02 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:22:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
In-Reply-To: <s432b472.020@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002001c65803$e8d35cf0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Wow, that is cool. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table

Hi all

Maybe I can answer this myself ...

I've looked around and live connection seems just not to work. The reason
Excel can do it, is that it doesn't ... you ask it to requery and it reads
in the page and the data and saves them in the worksheet for a static view.

For Access that static view is an external file. Thus download the page to a
file and link that as a table.
However, the download can be semi-automated. 
You can use this function to download the file (takes less than a second)
before opening the linked table in Access - no relink is needed:

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias
"URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long

Public Function DownloadFile( _
  ByVal strURL As String, _
  ByVal strLocalFilename As String) _
  As Long
  
' Download file or page with public access from the web.
' 2004-12-17. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

' Usage, download a file:
' lngRet =
DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/Graphics/conf2002/2002Conferen
cePicsbySmolin/images/dba02smolin27.jpg", "c:\happybassett.jpg") '
' Usage, download a page:
' lngRet =
DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/conf2002/conf200202.htm",
"c:\dbaconference.htm")

' Returns 0 if success, error code if not.
' Error codes:
' -2146697210 "file not found".
' -2146697211 "domain not found".

' Limitation.
' Does not check if local file was created successfully.

  Dim lngRetVal As Long
    
  lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL & vbNullChar, strLocalFilename &
vbNullChar, 0, 0)
  
  DownloadFile = lngRetVal
  
End Function

You could download the file when launching the app or a form, or if a more
frequent update is needed, have a timer running doing it. When the file is
written you cannot have the table linked to it open in Access so some sort
of error handling is needed. That could be avoided by just opening the
linked table for updating the data in another table the moment after a fresh
download.

/gustav

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 04-04-2006 16:15:08 >>>
Hi all

Why can Excel read data from a live web page table just like that while
Access can't?

Go to this page: 
  http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

In IE, right-click on the table and choose Import in Excel, and in two
seconds Excel opens with a worksheet with the linked data.

You can edit the query Excel uses and save it. This is it:

<iqy>
WEB
1
http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a 

Selection=1
Formatting=None
PreFormattedTextToColumns=True
ConsecutiveDelimitersAsOne=True
SingleBlockTextImport=False
DisableDateRecognition=False
</iqy>

If you use IE to save the page as a single html page, Access can link to
that fine, so data is valid.
Any tricks for the live link? 

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 11:29:23 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:29:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <s432bb0c.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Hey, JC must have a util for this - his favourite naming style!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 04-04-2006 18:10:28 >>>
Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a dictionary 
for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list of field names 
in each table.  The format is the same across the board: BB_CREG_TU  or 
TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an undersore...more letters...and 
so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this list 
of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For the 
example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and ending with 
FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any suggestions/direction 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 11:31:40 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:31:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5978@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Thanks, Gustav.  Sorry I took so long to reply to this but I've been up
to my eyes in problems with a SQL backend.  Our code has to deal with
date strings brought in from a delimited text file and with converting a
date to a string for export in that format, as well as just handling the
data in the application.  When you look at a date string in a text file,
you have no idea what system date format is used or whether it is
compatible with the current date format, but we still have to convert
them to US format for use in SQL statements.  Since those dates may NOT
be formatted to the local settings, it can get very entertaining. ;->


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 5:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

As soon as you have a Date value you cannot fail; all you have to is do
to apply the formatting and, using the principle in my StrDateSQL, no
local setting will influence that. It's foolproof.

However, to get to the Date value is another task and requires careful
handling. As you correctly point out, users can type anything.
For this purpose I would recommend the suggestion by Stuart, DateValue,
as it understands date expression strings formatted as to the local
settings.
Unfortunately, it understands more than that which can lead to
unpredictable results. How to avoid this, read on here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2004-December/029764.html 

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:37:58 >>>
Oh, and we also have to deal with converting data between systems that
use different date formats and delimiters.  Start playing with languages
that use a dot as a date delimiter or a space. ;o> 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 11:33:27 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:33:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
Message-ID: <s432bbff.022@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Really? Thank you.

I just wondered ... someone must have been doing something like this. There's so much info out there in lists and tables on web pages. Only a minor part has been transferred to web-services.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com 04-04-2006 18:22:02 >>>
Wow, that is cool. 




From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 11:36:56 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:36:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440B6@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will
break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add
new records to your table (sorry for no example). 

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text

Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a
dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list
of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an
undersore...more letters...and so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this
list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For
the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and
ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any
suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 11:53:39 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:53:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem
Message-ID: <s432c0d9.024@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Yes, right, lots of fun. 
And if such files are exported from a bank's mainframe the fun may rise to the next level!

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 04-04-2006 18:31:40 >>>
Thanks, Gustav.  Sorry I took so long to reply to this but I've been up
to my eyes in problems with a SQL backend.  Our code has to deal with
date strings brought in from a delimited text file and with converting a
date to a string for export in that format, as well as just handling the
data in the application.  When you look at a date string in a text file,
you have no idea what system date format is used or whether it is
compatible with the current date format, but we still have to convert
them to US format for use in SQL statements.  Since those dates may NOT
be formatted to the local settings, it can get very entertaining. ;->


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 5:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date Comparison Problem

Hi Charlotte

As soon as you have a Date value you cannot fail; all you have to is do
to apply the formatting and, using the principle in my StrDateSQL, no
local setting will influence that. It's foolproof.

However, to get to the Date value is another task and requires careful
handling. As you correctly point out, users can type anything.
For this purpose I would recommend the suggestion by Stuart, DateValue,
as it understands date expression strings formatted as to the local
settings.
Unfortunately, it understands more than that which can lead to
unpredictable results. How to avoid this, read on here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2004-December/029764.html 

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 31-03-2006 18:37:58 >>>
Oh, and we also have to deal with converting data between systems that
use different date formats and delimiters.  Start playing with languages
that use a dot as a date delimiter or a space. ;o> 




From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 11:57:35 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440BA@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Felt guilty.  Here's a sample using Split. You can work out getting each
element into your table via recordset. 

Sub SplitString()
Dim str As String
Dim arrStr
Dim i As Integer

    str = "AB_55_tt_1g"
    arrStr = Split(str, "_")
     For i = 0 To UBound(arrStr)
        Debug.Print arrStr(i)
     Next i
End Sub

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text

Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will
break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add
new records to your table (sorry for no example). 

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text

Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a
dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list
of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an
undersore...more letters...and so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this
list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For
the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and
ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any
suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr  4 12:01:54 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:01:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
In-Reply-To: <s432bb0c.021@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002801c65809$7a8cb6f0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Naw, I use a single underscore behind the table prefix.

;-) 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:29 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text

Hi Mark

Hey, JC must have a util for this - his favourite naming style!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 04-04-2006 18:10:28 >>>
Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a dictionary
for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list of field names
in each table.  The format is the same across the board: BB_CREG_TU  or
TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an undersore...more letters...and
so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this list
of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For the
example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and ending with
FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any suggestions/direction
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 12:10:13 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:10:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C597D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  4 12:18:08 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:18:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440BA@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F15BD403BD06AD53D095EB7D2CA0@phx.gbl>

Jim,

Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize "Split"  
Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400
>
>Felt guilty.  Here's a sample using Split. You can work out getting each
>element into your table via recordset.
>
>Sub SplitString()
>Dim str As String
>Dim arrStr
>Dim i As Integer
>
>     str = "AB_55_tt_1g"
>     arrStr = Split(str, "_")
>      For i = 0 To UBound(arrStr)
>         Debug.Print arrStr(i)
>      Next i
>End Sub
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:37 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will
>break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add
>new records to your table (sorry for no example).
>
>HTH,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a
>dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list
>of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
>BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an
>undersore...more letters...and so on)
>
>The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this
>list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For
>the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and
>ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any
>suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Apr  4 12:23:13 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:23:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Hamachi - again...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D7973B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D351D9@ADGSERVER>

Jim,

Sorry, I did not see your reply.

Don't worry about being too basic.  I'm a dev, not a network guy.  LOL.

1) Yes it is running.  I can actually connect to my machine via TightVNC
(someone suggested one of the other VNCs, but I have not had time to install
and configure it).

2) I do have a couple of shares that are open to everyone (home network via
NAT) that I should be able to see.  

The error message I get is "The path '\\5.xxx.yyy.zzz' does not exist or is
not a valid directory."

When I connected to my work PC from home via Browse, I had to log in.  When
I try to browse from work to home, I get no login screen.  Both are XP Pro.

I am also able to use the chat feature of Hamachi between the two PCs.

Thanks,
Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Hamachi - again...


Hi Bobby:

These questions may sound overly obvious for that I apologize but:

1. Is 'Hamachi' left running on PC at home... it will show at the bottom
right section of your task bar when it is.

2. Have you setup shares on your home PC? No share(s), no access. By adding
the appropriate security to these shares it will either ask for login
validation or not. Set the level of security and who is allowed access by
right-mouse-clicking the directory/share in question, opening the security
tab and attaching the required user. 

HTH
Jim 



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 12:29:59 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:29:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440C7@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

No A97 doesn't support Split, sorry.  You can find a Split replacement
on Codehound.com though and run with that.  Another option is to use
Instr() and Mid() functions to walk through the text.  InStr to find the
location of the trailing underscore and Mid to grab whatever piece of
text you need (from the beginning of the string or the previous Instr
location stored in a variable).  

Let me know if you need an example (Split's a lot easier though).  I can
probably whip up some pseudo-code if need be.


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text

Jim,

Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize
"Split"  
Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400
>
>Felt guilty.  Here's a sample using Split. You can work out getting 
>each element into your table via recordset.
>
>Sub SplitString()
>Dim str As String
>Dim arrStr
>Dim i As Integer
>
>     str = "AB_55_tt_1g"
>     arrStr = Split(str, "_")
>      For i = 0 To UBound(arrStr)
>         Debug.Print arrStr(i)
>      Next i
>End Sub
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:37 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will

>break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add 
>new records to your table (sorry for no example).
>
>HTH,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a 
>dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list 
>of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
>BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an 
>undersore...more letters...and so on)
>
>The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this 
>list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For

>the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and 
>ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any 
>suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr  4 12:33:05 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:33:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440C9@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Charlotte,

The one thing I've noticed when code stops working is that there may be
some bad code elsewhere.  Have you tried compiling your code and seeing
if the compiler can find anything untoward?


Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:10 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Apr  4 12:34:44 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:34:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625396@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

There is something about the .eof and .bof not working in Access 2003.
You have to first move to .eof before you can find .bof.  I know it is a
bug, I don't know if they have fixed it yet. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:10 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 12:43:15 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:43:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5981@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Well, that's another thing I've noticed since I installed 2003/VS 2005:
the code compiles but it still may break at runtime!  However, to answer
your question, it all compiles, there are no broken references, and all
the usual suspects have been hauled in for questioning.  It's one of the
more maddening things I've run into in a history of being driven crazy
by Access. :-< 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

Charlotte,

The one thing I've noticed when code stops working is that there may be
some bad code elsewhere.  Have you tried compiling your code and seeing
if the compiler can find anything untoward?


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:10 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 12:46:57 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:46:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5982@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

How can you move to EOF in an empty recordset?  If you do a move on an
empty recordset, it errors!  Anyhow, I don't have Access 2003 installed,
but of course Jet is there for the other 2003 apps that use it, so I
suppose it's still a possible culprit. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

There is something about the .eof and .bof not working in Access 2003.
You have to first move to .eof before you can find .bof.  I know it is a
bug, I don't know if they have fixed it yet. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:10 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working

Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  4 12:52:25 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:52:25 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034440C7@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F2014465369C738D3E5AD8AD2CA0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the offer, but I moved it to another machine with A2k and Split 
worked...but If I have to go back to 97...I'll use the instr and mid.

Thanks again for the info.

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:29:59 -0400
>
>No A97 doesn't support Split, sorry.  You can find a Split replacement
>on Codehound.com though and run with that.  Another option is to use
>Instr() and Mid() functions to walk through the text.  InStr to find the
>location of the trailing underscore and Mid to grab whatever piece of
>text you need (from the beginning of the string or the previous Instr
>location stored in a variable).
>
>Let me know if you need an example (Split's a lot easier though).  I can
>probably whip up some pseudo-code if need be.
>
>
>Jim D.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:18 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Jim,
>
>Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize
>"Split"
>Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
> >From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
> >Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400
> >
> >Felt guilty.  Here's a sample using Split. You can work out getting
> >each element into your table via recordset.
> >
> >Sub SplitString()
> >Dim str As String
> >Dim arrStr
> >Dim i As Integer
> >
> >     str = "AB_55_tt_1g"
> >     arrStr = Split(str, "_")
> >      For i = 0 To UBound(arrStr)
> >         Debug.Print arrStr(i)
> >      Next i
> >End Sub
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:37 PM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
> >
> >Why not use the Split function (splitting on the underscore) which will
>
> >break your string up into an array, then loop through the array to add
> >new records to your table (sorry for no example).
> >
> >HTH,
> >
> >Jim DeMarco
> >
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> >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:10 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a
> >dictionary for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list
> >of field names in each table.  The format is the same across the board:
> >BB_CREG_TU  or TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an
> >undersore...more letters...and so on)
> >
> >The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this
> >list of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For
>
> >the example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and
> >ending with FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any
> >suggestions/direction would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark A. Matte
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 12:53:13 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:53:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <s432cec6.025@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Have you tried with

If Not (rst.EOF = True And rst.BOF = True) Then

Also, I know this construction is widely used, but I've never seen it necessary to check for BOF when opening a recordset, only when you possibly step up beyond record 1.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 04-04-2006 19:10:13 >>>
Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  4 13:05:21 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:05:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <s432d1a2.026@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Look here for fast Split() implementations for Access97:

  http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Split.htm 

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 04-04-2006 19:18:08 >>>
Jim,

Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize "Split"  
Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr  4 13:10:22 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:10:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C598A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Yes, and that fails as well.  BOF AND EOF is impossible in anything but
an empty recordset.  If the pointer is at both BOF and EOF it is because
there are no records in between.  In ADO, it's the only way to check for
an empty recordset because the record pointer is set to the opposite
position as in DAO, so you can't just check for one the way you can in
DAO.  The code has worked for years checking for an empty recordset
before trying to manipulate it.  Now I've had to fall back on "If Not
rst.EOF Or rst.Recordcount > 0 Then" which is ugly but at least doesn't
return bypass the code when there are records in the recordset and
doesn't drop into it when there are none ... So far. 


Charlotte /foust

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

Hi Charlotte

Have you tried with

If Not (rst.EOF = True And rst.BOF = True) Then

Also, I know this construction is widely used, but I've never seen it
necessary to check for BOF when opening a recordset, only when you
possibly step up beyond record 1.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 04-04-2006 19:10:13 >>>
Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Apr  4 13:25:10 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:25:10 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB55@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

How about something like this where underscore is the delimiter:
Function StringToArray_TSB(strIn As String, arrIn() As String, chrDelimit As
String) As Long
  ' Comments  : Converts a delimited string to an array of words
  ' Parameters: strIn - string to convert
  '             arrIn - array of strings (1-based)
  '             chrDelimit - character used to delimit words in strIn
  ' Returns   : number of words
  '
  Dim intCounter As Integer
  Dim intWordCount As Integer

  intWordCount = CountDelimitedWords_TSB(strIn, chrDelimit)
  ReDim arrIn(1 To intWordCount)

  For intCounter = 1 To intWordCount
    arrIn(intCounter) = GetDelimitedWord_TSB(strIn, intCounter, chrDelimit)
  Next intCounter

  StringToArray_TSB = intWordCount

End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text


Hello All,

I have just recieved a new db to link to...and I want to create a dictionary

for all of the wonderful acronym names used.  I have a list of field names 
in each table.  The format is the same across the board: BB_CREG_TU  or 
TTT_PROG_GYU_FRWTG (format= some letters...an undersore...more letters...and

so on)

The can be 1 - 4 underscores in each name.  I would like to take this list 
of field names and strip out each part and create a new list.  For the 
example above I would now have 7 records...starting with BB and ending with 
FRWTG.  The underscore is always the seperator.  Any suggestions/direction 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Apr  4 13:46:12 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:46:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Code stops working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43036253A2@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Could it have anything to do with the dreaded sandbox mode?   Check out
this site, at the bottom, it references vba code that may bomb:

http://www.databasedev.co.uk/jet-sandbox-mode.html 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

Yes, and that fails as well.  BOF AND EOF is impossible in anything but
an empty recordset.  If the pointer is at both BOF and EOF it is because
there are no records in between.  In ADO, it's the only way to check for
an empty recordset because the record pointer is set to the opposite
position as in DAO, so you can't just check for one the way you can in
DAO.  The code has worked for years checking for an empty recordset
before trying to manipulate it.  Now I've had to fall back on "If Not
rst.EOF Or rst.Recordcount > 0 Then" which is ugly but at least doesn't
return bypass the code when there are records in the recordset and
doesn't drop into it when there are none ... So far. 


Charlotte /foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code stops working

Hi Charlotte

Have you tried with

If Not (rst.EOF = True And rst.BOF = True) Then

Also, I know this construction is widely used, but I've never seen it
necessary to check for BOF when opening a recordset, only when you
possibly step up beyond record 1.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 04-04-2006 19:10:13 >>>
Has anyone else seen this?  We have code that has worked for 3 years and
suddenly, it fails.  The code can be very simple like "If Not (rst.EOF
and rst.BOF) Then"  and even though both EOF and BOF evaluate to true,
the next line of code will execute!  I've seen this in several places.
And we have signature handling in one of our apps.  The subforms, which
all have the same kind of code, raise a custom event which is sunk by
the parent.  On some subforms, the event may raise the first time but
not after that.  Making a change in the code in either the child or
parent might make it work ... Once.  Then it returns to ignoring the
raise event line.  It steps through it, but the event is never sunk in
the parent form.  The exact same code works in other subforms.  I've
tried compact and repair, decompile, creating a new form and copying the
controls over, then exporting the code from the odd subform to text and
pasting it into the module for the new form.  Same behavior.  These are
very complex subforms and the parent form is worse.  

I just recently upgraded to Office 2003 on my machine (we're still using
Access 2002) and I'm wondering if that has caused the strange behavior.
The others in my office have had 2003 for a while, but I dragged my
heels on it.  We're also working in VS 2005 and have the latest source
safe version, so it may be an ugly combination of things, but has anyone
else had a similar experience?  Code that worked on Friday was broken on
Monday!  Yikes!

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.


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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Apr  4 14:19:47 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:19:47 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Strip out text
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8A581@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Back in my Access 97 days I wrote a "Field()" function which allowed me to
pick off parts of strings using any arbitrary delimiter. I find this handy
when I need to parse a string that uses *different* delimiters, say an
underscore at one point and a comma at another.

Here's the code

Function Field(ByVal strSource As String, strSep As String, intN As Integer)
As Variant
'Purpose:
'   Returns the Nth element in a delimited list.
'   Input: strSource - the list to search
'             strSep - the delimiter of the list - can be more than one
character
'             intN - the ordinal value of the element to be returned
'
' Null is returned if either string parameter is null, or intN <=0 or
' If the separator string is not found
'
'Str = Field("Chuck*Roberts","*",1) would return "Chuck".
Dim strResult As String
Dim strSearch As String
Dim i As Long
Dim lSep As Long
Dim lRightChars As Long

    lSep = 0: i = 0
    If IsNull(strSource) Or strSource = "" Or IsNull(strSep) Or strSep = ""
Or intN <= 0 Then
        strResult = ""
    Else
        strSearch = strSource
        While i < intN
            lSep = InStr(strSearch, strSep)
            If lSep > 0 Then ' we found the delimiter string
                i = i + 1 ' count occurrence
                If i = intN Then ' this is the one we want
                    strResult = left$(strSearch, lSep - 1)
                End If
                ' strip off i'th field
                strSearch = right(strSearch, Len(strSearch) - (lSep +
Len(strSep) - 1))
            Else ' did not find our separator string, so return the
remainder of the string if the count is ok
                If i = intN - 1 Then '  we have seen N-1 separator strings,
so this is the field we want
                                                ' at the end of the search
string
                    i = i + 1 ' to terminate the While loop
                    strResult = strSearch
                Else    ' there were less than N-1 fields in the input to
return Null
                    strResult = ""
                    i = intN
                End If
            End If
        Wend
    End If
    If strResult = "" Then
        Field = Null
    Else
        Field = strResult
    End If
End Function

For your application you could do what you want using it and a simple loop

Dim vResult as Variant
Dim n as Long
	n = 1
	vResult = Field(someString,"_",n)
	While Not IsNull(vResult)
		' do something with vResult
		n = n + 1
		vResult = Field(someString,"_",n)
	Wend

HTH

Lambert



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text


Thanks for the offer, but I moved it to another machine with A2k and Split 
worked...but If I have to go back to 97...I'll use the instr and mid.

Thanks again for the info.

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:29:59 -0400
>
>No A97 doesn't support Split, sorry.  You can find a Split replacement 
>on Codehound.com though and run with that.  Another option is to use
>Instr() and Mid() functions to walk through the text.  InStr to find 
>the location of the trailing underscore and Mid to grab whatever piece 
>of text you need (from the beginning of the string or the previous 
>Instr location stored in a variable).
>
>Let me know if you need an example (Split's a lot easier though).  I 
>can probably whip up some pseudo-code if need be.
>
>
>Jim D.
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:18 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strip out text
>
>Jim,
>
>Thanks for the example...I am using A97...and it does not recognize 
>"Split" Am I missing a reference...or need a later version of Access?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  4 18:15:46 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:15:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Read data off a live html table
References: <s432bbff.022@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4432FE22.4000407@shaw.ca>

Would have been easier if they punted this out in xml for a quicker 
parse but you can also get web text with xmlhttp
Web page returned  also flunks XHTML compliance
 see http://validator.w3.org/
which also might have helped,
 but then the Inet method is probably quicker.

'This code fires off request to specified WEB page
'returns html, asp, xml, or text page in text string then sent to file 
on disk
'Makes use of the XMLHTTPRequest object contained in msxml.dll.
'Check off Reference to MSXML Version 2.0 3.0
' I am using latest Version of IE5
' should also work with IE5.0 MSXML ver 2.0,2.6, 3.0 etc

'GrabTextFileFromWebSite 
("http://www.hdnl.co.uk/tracker.aspx?UPI=806290025850a")

Public Sub GrabTextFileFromWebSite(strMyURL As String)
  
     Dim oHttp As Object
     Dim strFileName As String
    
    'make use of the XMLHTTPRequest object contained in msxml.dll
    ' Set oHttp = CreateObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP")
    Set oHttp = CreateObject("MSXML2.XMLHTTP.4.0")
    'oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", 
"application/x-www-form-urlencoded"
    'oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", "text/xml"
    'oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", "multipart/form-data"
      
  
     'oHttp.Open "GET", "http://www.amazon.com", False
    
       oHttp.Open "GET", strMyURL, False
      
    ' stick in your web page above , file type can be anything asp txt 
xml html etc.
    'depends partially on content type
    'oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", 
"application/x-www-form-urlencoded"
     oHttp.setRequestHeader "Content-Type", "text/xml"
    oHttp.send
   
 
    
     'check the feedback
     Debug.Print "Ready State =" & oHttp.ReadyState
     'normal state =4
     Debug.Print "Status =" & oHttp.status
     'normal status = 200
     Debug.Print "Status Text =" & oHttp.statusText
    ' Debug.Print oHttp.getAllResponseHeaders()
    'Debug.Print "Response Body =" & oHttp.responseBody
    ' Debug.Print "Response Body =" & StrConv(oHttp.responseBody, vbUnicode)
    'Debug.Print "Response Text =" & oHttp.responseText
    'Parse response text string here or send to file
    'create directory structure if not in existance
    'CreateDirectoryStruct ("c:\Accesshtmlstealer")
   ' MsgBox oHttp.responseXML.xml 'no xml returned? missing MIME
   
    strFileName = "c:\Accesshtmlstealer\Gustav"
    strFileName = strFileName & Format(Now, "yyyymmddhhmmss") & ".txt"
   
       WriteFile strFileName, oHttp.responseText
       findtable (oHttp.responseText)
        '
        Exit Sub
       
ErrorHandler:
        MsgBox Err.Description & vbCrLf & Err.Number
        '
        Resume Next
   
End Sub
Public Sub WriteFile(ByVal sFileName As String, ByVal sContents As String)
' Dump XML  String to File for debugging
    Dim fhFile As Integer
    fhFile = FreeFile
   ' Debug.Print "Length of string=" & Len(sContents)
    Open sFileName For Output As #fhFile
    Print #fhFile, sContents;
    Close #fhFile
    Debug.Print "Out File " & sFileName
End Sub
Sub findtable(strTable As String)
'parse out string
Dim lStart As Long
Dim lStop As Long
lStart = InStr(1, strTable, "<table class=""tracker"">")
lStop = InStr(1, strTable, "</table>")
Debug.Print Mid(strTable, lStart, lStop - lStart + 1)
'MsgBox Mid(strTable, lStart, lStop - lStart + 1) 'need ESC
End Sub

If it was xml parseable it would have just been something like this

Sub test4()
Dim xmlDoc As New MSXML2.DOMDocument40
Dim objNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
Dim i As Long
xmlDoc.async = False
xmlDoc.Load 
("http://www.webservicex.net/stockquote.asmx/GetQuote?symbol=msft")
    If xmlDoc.parseError.errorCode <> 0 Then
                   Debug.Print " Reason: " & xmlDoc.parseError.reason
                   Debug.Print " Line: " & xmlDoc.parseError.Line
                    Debug.Print " Position: " & xmlDoc.parseError.linepos
            End If
Set objNodeList = xmlDoc.getElementsByTagName("*")
Debug.Print objNodeList.length
Debug.Print xmlDoc.xml
For i = 0 To (objNodeList.length - 1)
  MsgBox (objNodeList.Item(i).xml)
Next
End Sub

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi John
>
>Really? Thank you.
>
>I just wondered ... someone must have been doing something like this. There's so much info out there in lists and tables on web pages. Only a minor part has been transferred to web-services.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com 04-04-2006 18:22:02 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Wow, that is cool. 
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  4 18:36:26 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:36:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
References: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156A4D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <443302FA.1080200@shaw.ca>

Use late binding with CreateObject and maybe use a conditional compile 
around Early and Late binding.

or you could use this code to  force a reference function on immediate 
entry to the mdb if you are sure of the path.
and a similar delete of old reference.

The first of the following two functions adds a reference to the 
calendar control to the References collection.
The second function removes the reference to the calendar control.

Function AddReference() As Boolean
    Dim ref As Reference
    dim strFile As String

    On Error GoTo Error_AddReference
    strFile = "C:\Windows\System\Mscal.ocx"
    ' Create reference to calendar control.
    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFile)
    AddReference = True

Exit_AddReference:
    Exit Function

Error_AddReference:
    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    AddReference = False
    Resume Exit_AddReference
End Function

Function RemoveReference() As Boolean

    Dim ref As Reference

    On Error GoTo Error_RemoveReference
    Set ref = References!MSACAL
    ' Remove calendar control reference.
    References.Remove ref
    RemoveReference = True

Exit_RemoveReference:
    Exit Function

Error_RemoveReference:
    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    RemoveReference = False
    Resume Exit_RemoveReference
End Function




Function ReferenceFromFile(strFileName As String, _
              Optional Warning As Boolean) As Boolean
'ReferenceFromFile "c:\Windows\System\vbscript.dll\3" , True
' One caveat adding a reference this way forces a decompile
' so cannot be used in an MDE. At least not executed inside one to
' reset references.

    Dim ref As Access.Reference

    On Error GoTo Error_ReferenceFromFile
    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFileName)
    ReferenceFromFile = True

Exit_ReferenceFromFile:
    Exit Function

Error_ReferenceFromFile:
    If Warning = True Then VBA.MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    ReferenceFromFile = False
    Resume Exit_ReferenceFromFile
End Function
Joe Rojas wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I ran into a problem with installing Office 2003 Pro on my computer.
>I had created several databases with Access 2000, prior to my Office
>upgrade, which used the Outlook 9.0 (2000) object model. When I open
>these databases up, Access 2003 automatically changes the reference from
>Outlook 9.0 to 11.0.
>When a user, using Office 2000, opens this database they have a missing
>reference!
>
>How do others on this list deal with this issue where you are using a
>newer version of Office to develop than the user's environment?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Rojas
>IT Manager
>TNCO, Inc.
>781-447-6661 x7506
>jrojas at tnco-inc.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Apr  4 18:58:11 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:58:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A47F5ED@aries.TexasSystems. local>
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A47F5ED@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060405111333.01b77b28@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks to all who have responded.  I am working my way through the suggestions.

I downloaded the trial version of Red-Gate SQL comparison.  It only 
showed some extended properties as being different in the various 
tables, views and sprocs.  I synchronized the objects but the problem 
still persists.

Using Ken's Test by Destruction method I identified the problem view 
as highlighted below:

SELECT dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementID, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccountNo,  dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustName, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccFreq, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CurrentMth, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.OneMonth,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.TwoMonths, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.ThreeMonths, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.NoOverdueNote,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.NetReceipts, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.GJCredit, dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.NetReceiptsInv,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.GJCreditInv, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.MGrpIDNo,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDRegistered, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.DDFrequency, dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.PayArrange,
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.ReceiptNotPost AS 
ReceiptsNotPosted, 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.VIPCust,        dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.AccStatus
FROM dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate 
ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo AND 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate =
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate LEFT OUTER 
JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceipt.StatNum LEFT OUTER JOIN 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv        ON dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.CustIDNo AND
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementNumber = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv.InvNum
         LEFT OUTER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost ON
         dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID = 
dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptNotPost.CustIDNo

This is the whole of the sproc - there are no other where clauses etc.

When I delete this join (and the fields in the SELECT section from 
the dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv view) then the sproc runs in 4 seconds 
and returns 680 rows.

When I run the dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv view within Access it 
returns 2780 rows in a couple of second.

Ken asked if the views are indexed.  I couldn't see any properties in 
SQL2000 in the view for indexing.  The StatementNumber and InvNum 
fields in the underlying tables are indexed

I have used the dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv view in other sprocs and 
they work in an acceptable time.  In all other cases though the join 
is to a table, not another view. (However, remember that the same 
sproc runs fine in the second database).

The dbo.vwAgedDebtorReceiptInv is not a simple view:

SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'CR' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt < 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 2))
         + SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'CN' THEN CASE WHEN 
TranAmt < 0 THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 2))
         + SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'RR' THEN CASE WHEN 
TranAmt > 0 THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS NetReceiptsInv,
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'CR' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt < 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS CRReceiptsInv,
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'CN' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt < 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS CNReceiptsInv,
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'RR' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt > 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS RevReceiptsInv,
    SUM(ROUND((CASE WHEN TranCode = 'GJ' THEN CASE WHEN TranAmt < 0 
THEN TranAmt ELSE 0 END ELSE 0 END)
         * CASE WHEN GSTPayable = 1 THEN (1 + GSTRate) ELSE 1 END, 
2)) AS GJCreditInv, dbo.tblGenJournal.LinkIDNo,
    dbo.tblGenJournal.CustIDNo, dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceNumber - 1 
AS InvNum, dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceDate
FROM dbo.tblGenJournal INNER JOIN dbo.tblCustInvoice ON 
dbo.tblGenJournal.LinkIDNo = dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceID
WHERE (dbo.tblGenJournal.TranType = 1)
GROUP BY dbo.tblGenJournal.LinkIDNo, dbo.tblGenJournal.CustIDNo, 
dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceNumber - 1, dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceDate
HAVING (dbo.tblCustInvoice.InvoiceNumber - 1 > 0)
ORDER BY dbo.tblGenJournal.LinkIDNo


David

At 4/04/2006, you wrote:

>David,
>
> > I have a stored procedure that is based on a number of views ...
> > In the SQL database that this was developed in it runs fine
> > (in about 30 seconds).  However, when I script the objects and
> > restore them into the second database, the same stored procedure
> > runs for over 10 minutes...
>
>It is a little hard to give advice without more information:
>
>* Are the views simple views (SELECTs against a single table) or complex
>(SELECTs against multiple tables)?
>* Are the views indexed?
>* Are you returning a subset of the records in your procedure, or
>everything? (In other words, is there a WHERE clause you are not showing
>us?)
>* What is the distribution of the data? For instance, does
>vwAgedDebtorGet return greatly more or less records than
>vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate?
>
>Even without answers to these questions, there is a diagnostic method
>that will almost certainly work: Test by Destruction. To do this:
>
>1. Make copies of your proc on both databases.
>2. On the copies, remove one view at a time from each proc. (start from
>the bottom)
>3. Recreate both procs, and test the response time.
>4. Repeat steps 2-3 until your slower proc performs as expected, or you
>run out of views
>
>The last view you removed, or the last one standing, is the one that is
>introducing the slowdown. Investigate that view, because something about
>it is different between the two databases, or the data it is querying is
>different. If the view is complex, you can test it by destruction using
>the process outlined above to find the table or join that is causing the
>problem.
>
>Test by Destruction is a generic, simple way of isolating problems in
>complex queries.
>
>-Ken
>--
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Apr  4 19:04:14 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:04:14 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0604031434u69381f83h452fe6e959459dbc@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403144712.01abbb48@dalyn.co.nz>
	<b874372a0604031434u69381f83h452fe6e959459dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060405115738.01b72f78@dalyn.co.nz>

The server is just my local machine not connected to any 
network.  However, the same results occur on the networked server on 
the Client site.

Physical Memory 512MB
Virtual Memory 2 GB

As far as "hdd, raid, and of course... index defrags" are concerned, 
where do I find the information on these?

David


At 4/04/2006, Francisco Tapia wrote:
>David,
>   I might have missed your first post.  I'm curious to know what is
>your server configuration like?, memory, hdd, raid, and of course...
>index defrags.



From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr  5 10:36:54 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:36:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Data Access Pages Unavailable
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1144170002.792.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF90715828.64D472D2-ON85257147.00550DAA-85257147.0055CC48@is002023.gdls.com>

The one area of Access where I have no experience at all is in data access
pages. I thought they might be the answer to a need I have, but when I try
to create one, I am unable to do so. Using the wizard results in an error
message (...unable to create...). Starting with a blank one, I have no
access to any field lists to add anything! The icon to the left of the path
in the field list has a red cross on it. Trying harder to get into it, it
tells me that it's "unable to connect to the data source", which, being
itself, sounds a bit strange.

I tried on another computer, and had the same results. I'm guessing my
company has turned something off here. I'm thinking of contacting IT and
asking about it, but am hoping someone here can tell me what may be the
problem (e.g., what may have been turned off, if anything).

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Wed Apr  5 11:11:19 2006
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop>

I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database object, lines of code, etc.).

The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.

Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Apr  5 11:27:32 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:27:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop>
References: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <4433EFF4.3070405@san.rr.com>

Impossible.  If you select "per line of code" he'll want to know how 
many lines.  If you select "per form" he'll want to know how many 
forms.  If "per object" he'll want to know what an object is.

I suggest that the best method of computing per unit cost is "per hour 
of development time". He'll certainly know what an hour is.

Rocky


Barbara Ryan wrote:
> I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database object, lines of code, etc.).
>
> The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.
>
> Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  5 12:03:23 2006
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:03:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access 2003 -- keeps crashing on import
Message-ID: <BAY102-F18AF0D092498C74DABBDFBE5CB0@phx.gbl>

Hello:

I'm running MS Access 2003 on Windows XP SP2.

When I try to import an Excel spreadsheet into an MS Access database, MS 
Access crashes.  It doesn't matter whether destination database is in Access 
2k or 2003 format.  The following information is found in the event log.

Faulting application msaccess.exe, version 11.0.5614.0, stamp 3f3c8e3c, 
faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, stamp 00000000, debug? 0, fault 
address 0x00000000.

I've tried searching the web for this error and found that some other people 
also have the same problem (however not during an import but from other 
tasks such as creating a new report or viewing a form).

Can anyone shed some light on this situation?  Has this happened to anyone 
else before?

Many thanks in advance,

Billy




From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr  5 12:12:47 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:12:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1144256400.22718.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF1BE80C9F.66B77D5C-ON85257147.005DD95B-85257147.005E9391@is002023.gdls.com>

I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client
has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application,
although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database
object, lines of code, etc.).

The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some
reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or
output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.

Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion,
what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
------------------------------------------------------

Why does the client want this? If the client is trying to justify the cost,
or perhaps is wanting to roll the cost into whatever he/she produces, I
would just take the overall charges to the client and divide the total by
however many widgets he/she has produced in that time period. The only
other "unit" cost that might make sense, I suppose, would refer to the
number of people using your program. This would involve dividing the total
of charges by the number of users, and then dividing again by the number of
versions (however you would determine that), since each version could be
considered an additional "unit". That is, if 10 people have used 3
versions, that could be considered 30 units. It is fuzzy, though, as you
indicate.

You could also include database objects as you suggest; reports and
subreports sound legitimate to me, but lines of code?

Just some thoughts. HTH.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 12:45:17 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:45:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access 2003 -- keeps crashing on import
References: <BAY102-F18AF0D092498C74DABBDFBE5CB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4434022D.7070803@shaw.ca>

It looks like you are running Office 2003 basic no SP's
WinXP SP2 installs a update to MDAC 2.8
Also check if running latest Jet SP 8

Try installing Office 2003 SP1
NOTE the SP2 removes ability to do automatic updating of linked Excel files
due to a patent restriction, so you may not want to install that version.

How to check the version of Office 2003 products
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/821549

Office 2003 Service Pack 1 download
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9C51D3A6-7CB1-4F61-837E-5F938254FC47&displaylang=en


Office 2003 SP1 fixes this which maybe your problem

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837003/
" When you use the Import Spreadsheet Wizard in Microsoft Access or the 
Import Text Wizard in Microsoft Access to import a Microsoft Excel file 
or a text file, you can modify the field information for only the first 
field that is on the fourth page of the Import Spreadsheet Wizard or the 
Import Text Wizard.ReasonThe problem is related to both the Import 
Spreadsheet Wizard and the Import Text Wizard.


Billy Pang wrote:

>Hello:
>
>I'm running MS Access 2003 on Windows XP SP2.
>
>When I try to import an Excel spreadsheet into an MS Access database, MS 
>Access crashes.  It doesn't matter whether destination database is in Access 
>2k or 2003 format.  The following information is found in the event log.
>
>Faulting application msaccess.exe, version 11.0.5614.0, stamp 3f3c8e3c, 
>faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, stamp 00000000, debug? 0, fault 
>address 0x00000000.
>
>I've tried searching the web for this error and found that some other people 
>also have the same problem (however not during an import but from other 
>tasks such as creating a new report or viewing a form).
>
>Can anyone shed some light on this situation?  Has this happened to anyone 
>else before?
>
>Many thanks in advance,
>
>Billy
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Apr  5 13:06:19 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:06:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A452D@aries.TexasSystems.local>


David, 

> I couldn't see any properties in SQL2000 in the view for indexing.  

SQL Server Books Online has a topic "Creating an Indexed View", that
covers how to create Indexed Views for SQL 2000. However, because the
problem view uses a TOP and an ORDER BY clause, it can't be indexed.

(As an aside, I don't recommend indexed views because their requirements
are so stringent. One big gotcha: all INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE
statements on tables referenced in the view must be executed with the
exact same SET options as are required for indexing the view. So if you
index a view, an application that doesn't use the exact SET options
CANNOT modify data on any tables referenced in that view.)

> The StatementNumber and InvNum fields in the underlying tables are
indexed ...

I don't think that underlying indexes will help much when joining
against aggregate queries. 

> In all other cases though the join is to a table, not another view ...


That may be a key, because SQL Server is likely using an index on the
table to speed the join with the view. In this problem case, an
aggregate view joined against an aggregate view may have to be resolved
using a Cartesian product, which is very expensive.

Others may have better insights to provide, but see BOL topic "Resolving
Indexes on Views", and judge for yourself.


Suggestion
----------

If joining tables to views gives good performance, duplicate that in
your procedure. Use a new SQL Server 2000 feature called Table
Variables. See "Table Variables" in BOL index.

Define a table variable at the start of your proc: 

DECLARE @temp_cust_stmt TABLE (
	CustomerID        Int,  -- (I'm guessing at datatypes)
	StatementNumber 	Int, 
	StatementDate	DateTime, 
	PRIMARY KEY 	(CustomerID, StatementNumber)
	)

(I'm guessing at the Fields and Primary Key; modify it if it doesn't
suit your data.)

Fill the table variable: 

INSERT INTO @temp_cust_stmt (CustomerID, StatementNumber, StatementDate)

SELECT DISTINCT CustomerID, StatementNumber, StatementDate
FROM 	dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet 

(This assumes there is only one StatementDate per StatementNumber)

Modify your FROM clause to join all views against your temp table: 

FROM  @temp_cust_stmt AS t INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet 
        ON t.CustomerID = dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.CustomerID AND
t.StatementDate = dbo.vwAgedDebtorGet.StatementDate 
        INNER JOIN dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate ON t.CustomerID =
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.CustIDNo 
            AND t.StatementDate =
dbo.vwAgedDebtorGetLastStatDate.StatementDate 
(etc.)

That way, you are joining all of your views against an indexed
(temporary) table. That might speed things up quite a bit. 

BTW, could you join vwAgedDebtorGet against StatementNumber instead of
StatementDate? If the data allows it, that might be a better join
candidate.

Hope this helps, 

-Ken


From robert at servicexp.com  Wed Apr  5 13:21:53 2006
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:21:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extracting Forms From mdb
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A452D@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <20060405182156.3BFC2C3DAC@mail01.powweb.com>


Hello,
 Is there anyway to extract forms and modules from a currupt mdb?

Robert



From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Apr  5 13:34:34 2006
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:34:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156A61@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Thanks for the reply!

If I were to use the CreateObject function, what would be the class name
that I would use?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment

Use late binding with CreateObject and maybe use a conditional compile 
around Early and Late binding.

or you could use this code to  force a reference function on immediate 
entry to the mdb if you are sure of the path.
and a similar delete of old reference.

The first of the following two functions adds a reference to the 
calendar control to the References collection.
The second function removes the reference to the calendar control.

Function AddReference() As Boolean
    Dim ref As Reference
    dim strFile As String

    On Error GoTo Error_AddReference
    strFile = "C:\Windows\System\Mscal.ocx"
    ' Create reference to calendar control.
    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFile)
    AddReference = True

Exit_AddReference:
    Exit Function

Error_AddReference:
    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    AddReference = False
    Resume Exit_AddReference
End Function

Function RemoveReference() As Boolean

    Dim ref As Reference

    On Error GoTo Error_RemoveReference
    Set ref = References!MSACAL
    ' Remove calendar control reference.
    References.Remove ref
    RemoveReference = True

Exit_RemoveReference:
    Exit Function

Error_RemoveReference:
    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    RemoveReference = False
    Resume Exit_RemoveReference
End Function




Function ReferenceFromFile(strFileName As String, _
              Optional Warning As Boolean) As Boolean
'ReferenceFromFile "c:\Windows\System\vbscript.dll\3" , True
' One caveat adding a reference this way forces a decompile
' so cannot be used in an MDE. At least not executed inside one to
' reset references.

    Dim ref As Access.Reference

    On Error GoTo Error_ReferenceFromFile
    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFileName)
    ReferenceFromFile = True

Exit_ReferenceFromFile:
    Exit Function

Error_ReferenceFromFile:
    If Warning = True Then VBA.MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
    ReferenceFromFile = False
    Resume Exit_ReferenceFromFile
End Function
Joe Rojas wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I ran into a problem with installing Office 2003 Pro on my computer.
>I had created several databases with Access 2000, prior to my Office
>upgrade, which used the Outlook 9.0 (2000) object model. When I open
>these databases up, Access 2003 automatically changes the reference
from
>Outlook 9.0 to 11.0.
>When a user, using Office 2000, opens this database they have a missing
>reference!
>
>How do others on this list deal with this issue where you are using a
>newer version of Office to develop than the user's environment?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Rojas
>IT Manager
>TNCO, Inc.
>781-447-6661 x7506
>jrojas at tnco-inc.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 13:40:25 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:40:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <44340F19.80304@shaw.ca>

I used to explain this to clients via the fence post analogy for 
undiscovered problems.

 A man wanted to install a new fence, to keep his kids from wandering.
He would build the fence himself but to save time he would get a 
contractor to dig the post holes.
The contractor submitted a bid  for digging 10 post holes
but the man wanted it broken down to the unit cost of each post hole
and would pay accordingly. The contractor agreed.
On digging the tenth hole a huge boulder was encountered and the contractor
gave up, after realizing it would take several days to remove the boulder.
So the contractor submitted his bill for 9 post holes, leaving the man
to find a way of removing the boulder.

Just remember that 90% of the job was completed easily but the final 10% 
was going to be a real bear.

Here is a quote from Rebbeca Riordan a longtime Access Developer
"And the number of objects absolutely comes into the estimate for the
fixed-price component.  What I used to do when I was churning out systems
full-time was start with a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
good at reports <g>).  Nothing for tables, since I do the schema as part of
the analysis.  Then to that base, I'd add a modifier -- this is a really
simple form, so figure .04; that's a difficult report, so 1.5, and so 
forth.
Then there's documentation -- if they want user docs, I figure 150% of the
development time.  Clients _hate_ that, but documentation is 
time-consuming,
and ultimately, even if you're working fixed-price, you calculate based on
an hourly rate.  I won't do hands-on training, so I can't speak to that, 
but
I if they want a training guide, it's the same price as the user manual. "

Good bock on the subject
Rapid Development : Taming Wild Software Schedules
by Steve C McConnell

PS. I knew one British Access Developer who used to estimate
by the simple means of 5 pounds per field on a form and used to
come quite close to the actual cost. But then he had a large toolbox
of previously written code.



Barbara Ryan wrote:

>I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database object, lines of code, etc.).
>
>The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.
>
>Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>
>Thanks,
>Barb Ryan
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  5 13:56:47 2006
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:56:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access 2003 -- keeps crashing on import
In-Reply-To: <4434022D.7070803@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F998D95B79A7FA2D38B7F7E5CB0@phx.gbl>

Eureka!  Thanks Marty.  I think the problem is MS Access 2k3 running without 
any SPs.  This threw me off because I had MS Office 2003 Standard SP2 
installed (MS Access 2k3 was installed separately a few weeks apart than MS 
Office 2003); I was working in Excel so when I looked under Excel's Program 
Info and saw SP2, I assumed it was likewise for Access.  I was going to 
reinstall MDAC2.8 but saw that it doesn't touch Jet anymore.  Anyhow I am 
going to try reapply Office 2k3 SP2.  Hope that things will go smoothly.  
Thanks again for the insight! Billy


>From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS Access 2003 -- keeps crashing on import
>Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:45:17 -0700
>
>It looks like you are running Office 2003 basic no SP's
>WinXP SP2 installs a update to MDAC 2.8
>Also check if running latest Jet SP 8
>
>Try installing Office 2003 SP1
>NOTE the SP2 removes ability to do automatic updating of linked Excel files
>due to a patent restriction, so you may not want to install that version.
>
>How to check the version of Office 2003 products
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/821549
>
>Office 2003 Service Pack 1 download
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9C51D3A6-7CB1-4F61-837E-5F938254FC47&displaylang=en
>
>
>Office 2003 SP1 fixes this which maybe your problem
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837003/
>" When you use the Import Spreadsheet Wizard in Microsoft Access or the
>Import Text Wizard in Microsoft Access to import a Microsoft Excel file
>or a text file, you can modify the field information for only the first
>field that is on the fourth page of the Import Spreadsheet Wizard or the
>Import Text Wizard.ReasonThe problem is related to both the Import
>Spreadsheet Wizard and the Import Text Wizard.
>
>
>Billy Pang wrote:
>
> >Hello:
> >
> >I'm running MS Access 2003 on Windows XP SP2.
> >
> >When I try to import an Excel spreadsheet into an MS Access database, MS
> >Access crashes.  It doesn't matter whether destination database is in 
>Access
> >2k or 2003 format.  The following information is found in the event log.
> >
> >Faulting application msaccess.exe, version 11.0.5614.0, stamp 3f3c8e3c,
> >faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, stamp 00000000, debug? 0, fault
> >address 0x00000000.
> >
> >I've tried searching the web for this error and found that some other 
>people
> >also have the same problem (however not during an import but from other
> >tasks such as creating a new report or viewing a form).
> >
> >Can anyone shed some light on this situation?  Has this happened to 
>anyone
> >else before?
> >
> >Many thanks in advance,
> >
> >Billy
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>
>
>--
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>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 14:00:55 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:00:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
References: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156A61@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <443413E7.3060603@shaw.ca>

  dim outobj as Object
  Set outobj = CreateObject("outlook.application")
or
 try specifying actual object version in your Get/CreateObject calls

Set outobj = CreateObject
("Outlook.Application.9") 'For Outlook 2000
Set outobj = CreateObject
("Outlook.Application.11") 'For Outlook 2003


'you might want to use this type of code
'to check if outlook already running
and whether you close it.
Dim objOl as object
On Error Resume Next
blnOlRunning = True
Set objOl = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application")
   If Err <> 0 Then 'Not running
      Set objOl = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
      blnOlRunning = True
      Err.Clear
   End If
On Error GoTo 0
'------blah blah

   If blnOlRunning = True Then
      ' display the new item
      objItem.Display
   Else
      objOl.Quit
   End If



Joe Rojas wrote:

>Thanks for the reply!
>
>If I were to use the CreateObject function, what would be the class name
>that I would use?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Rojas
>IT Manager
>TNCO, Inc.
>781-447-6661 x7506
>jrojas at tnco-inc.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:36 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Devoloping with A2K3 for an A2K environment
>
>Use late binding with CreateObject and maybe use a conditional compile 
>around Early and Late binding.
>
>or you could use this code to  force a reference function on immediate 
>entry to the mdb if you are sure of the path.
>and a similar delete of old reference.
>
>The first of the following two functions adds a reference to the 
>calendar control to the References collection.
>The second function removes the reference to the calendar control.
>
>Function AddReference() As Boolean
>    Dim ref As Reference
>    dim strFile As String
>
>    On Error GoTo Error_AddReference
>    strFile = "C:\Windows\System\Mscal.ocx"
>    ' Create reference to calendar control.
>    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFile)
>    AddReference = True
>
>Exit_AddReference:
>    Exit Function
>
>Error_AddReference:
>    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
>    AddReference = False
>    Resume Exit_AddReference
>End Function
>
>Function RemoveReference() As Boolean
>
>    Dim ref As Reference
>
>    On Error GoTo Error_RemoveReference
>    Set ref = References!MSACAL
>    ' Remove calendar control reference.
>    References.Remove ref
>    RemoveReference = True
>
>Exit_RemoveReference:
>    Exit Function
>
>Error_RemoveReference:
>    MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
>    RemoveReference = False
>    Resume Exit_RemoveReference
>End Function
>
>
>
>
>Function ReferenceFromFile(strFileName As String, _
>              Optional Warning As Boolean) As Boolean
>'ReferenceFromFile "c:\Windows\System\vbscript.dll\3" , True
>' One caveat adding a reference this way forces a decompile
>' so cannot be used in an MDE. At least not executed inside one to
>' reset references.
>
>    Dim ref As Access.Reference
>
>    On Error GoTo Error_ReferenceFromFile
>    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strFileName)
>    ReferenceFromFile = True
>
>Exit_ReferenceFromFile:
>    Exit Function
>
>Error_ReferenceFromFile:
>    If Warning = True Then VBA.MsgBox Err & ": " & Err.Description
>    ReferenceFromFile = False
>    Resume Exit_ReferenceFromFile
>End Function
>Joe Rojas wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I ran into a problem with installing Office 2003 Pro on my computer.
>>I had created several databases with Access 2000, prior to my Office
>>upgrade, which used the Outlook 9.0 (2000) object model. When I open
>>these databases up, Access 2003 automatically changes the reference
>>    
>>
>from
>  
>
>>Outlook 9.0 to 11.0.
>>When a user, using Office 2000, opens this database they have a missing
>>reference!
>>
>>How do others on this list deal with this issue where you are using a
>>newer version of Office to develop than the user's environment?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Joe Rojas
>>IT Manager
>>TNCO, Inc.
>>781-447-6661 x7506
>>jrojas at tnco-inc.com
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Apr  5 14:05:48 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:05:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extracting Forms From mdb
In-Reply-To: <20060405182156.3BFC2C3DAC@mail01.powweb.com>
References: <20060405182156.3BFC2C3DAC@mail01.powweb.com>
Message-ID: <4434150C.8030208@san.rr.com>

Import probably won't work but you could try it.  Have you tried decompile?

Rocky


Robert wrote:
> Hello,
>  Is there anyway to extract forms and modules from a currupt mdb?
>
> Robert
>
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Apr  5 15:27:08 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 00:27:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop> <44340F19.80304@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <009601c658ef$5ee63110$6501a8c0@Nant>

Marty, it's  a great simple story about the fence building - I will borrow 
it from you to tell to my customers - OK? :)

>  a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
> good at reports <g>).
I'd roughly estimate 4 (four) days per form with "smart" user-friendly 
behavior or report whatever it's  in the final system when a lot of advanced 
queries and coding is involved and when customer's requirements and 
understanding of their own business area and what they wanted to get from an 
application developed for them are unclear to say the least (and even if 
they have huge BDUF specs this often isn't a sign they know their own 
business and what they wanted you to have developed for them in the end).

I mean if the final system is roughly planned to have, say, 100 forms and 
reports then its development(all the objects including database model, 
documentation etc.) can be roughly estimated as 400 man/days ~= 17man/months 
(22.5 workdays/month). Based on that rough estimation fixed cost can be 
calculated.
If they(customer(s)) are ready to pay that in the end - fine - prepare more 
detailed plan and start working delivering regularly parts of the 
application. If you'll be ready quicker - get a bonus and leave them the 
rest of the fixed price. If you will (soon) find that even that time isn't 
enough to deliver what they are now see absolutely different than in the 
beginning - explain them what happens, trade the new fixed price - if they 
agree - continue, if not - quit - it promise to be "endless" story for you 
and for the customer, which will end sooner or later without any 
satisfaction nor on your nor on their part...

Of course working on hourly rate as many say here is more realistic approach 
but 4 days per form/report for advanced applications seems to work rather 
well - just from real life experience...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


>I used to explain this to clients via the fence post analogy for
> undiscovered problems.
>
> A man wanted to install a new fence, to keep his kids from wandering.
> He would build the fence himself but to save time he would get a
> contractor to dig the post holes.
> The contractor submitted a bid  for digging 10 post holes
> but the man wanted it broken down to the unit cost of each post hole
> and would pay accordingly. The contractor agreed.
> On digging the tenth hole a huge boulder was encountered and the 
> contractor
> gave up, after realizing it would take several days to remove the boulder.
> So the contractor submitted his bill for 9 post holes, leaving the man
> to find a way of removing the boulder.
>
> Just remember that 90% of the job was completed easily but the final 10%
> was going to be a real bear.
>
> Here is a quote from Rebbeca Riordan a longtime Access Developer
> "And the number of objects absolutely comes into the estimate for the
> fixed-price component.  What I used to do when I was churning out systems
> full-time was start with a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
> good at reports <g>).  Nothing for tables, since I do the schema as part 
> of
> the analysis.  Then to that base, I'd add a modifier -- this is a really
> simple form, so figure .04; that's a difficult report, so 1.5, and so
> forth.
> Then there's documentation -- if they want user docs, I figure 150% of the
> development time.  Clients _hate_ that, but documentation is
> time-consuming,
> and ultimately, even if you're working fixed-price, you calculate based on
> an hourly rate.  I won't do hands-on training, so I can't speak to that,
> but
> I if they want a training guide, it's the same price as the user manual. "
>
> Good bock on the subject
> Rapid Development : Taming Wild Software Schedules
> by Steve C McConnell
>
> PS. I knew one British Access Developer who used to estimate
> by the simple means of 5 pounds per field on a form and used to
> come quite close to the actual cost. But then he had a large toolbox
> of previously written code.
>
>
>
> Barbara Ryan wrote:
>
>>I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client 
>>has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, 
>>although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database 
>>object, lines of code, etc.).
>>
>>The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., 
>>some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, 
>>and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA 
>>code.
>>
>>Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your 
>>opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Barb Ryan
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  5 15:53:41 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:53:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <001801c658cb$933ea740$0b00a8c0@desktop> <44340F19.80304@shaw.ca>
	<009601c658ef$5ee63110$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <44342E55.1010700@shaw.ca>

I pre-stole it from a prof at University of Victoria. He was teaching 
Project Management
after retiring as a Project Engineer at Boeing. He worked on the 747 
Aircraft line.
It was good to be taught by a guy who had done it for real for 30 years.

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>Marty, it's  a great simple story about the fence building - I will borrow 
>it from you to tell to my customers - OK? :)
>
>  
>
>> a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
>>good at reports <g>).
>>    
>>
>I'd roughly estimate 4 (four) days per form with "smart" user-friendly 
>behavior or report whatever it's  in the final system when a lot of advanced 
>queries and coding is involved and when customer's requirements and 
>understanding of their own business area and what they wanted to get from an 
>application developed for them are unclear to say the least (and even if 
>they have huge BDUF specs this often isn't a sign they know their own 
>business and what they wanted you to have developed for them in the end).
>
>I mean if the final system is roughly planned to have, say, 100 forms and 
>reports then its development(all the objects including database model, 
>documentation etc.) can be roughly estimated as 400 man/days ~= 17man/months 
>(22.5 workdays/month). Based on that rough estimation fixed cost can be 
>calculated.
>If they(customer(s)) are ready to pay that in the end - fine - prepare more 
>detailed plan and start working delivering regularly parts of the 
>application. If you'll be ready quicker - get a bonus and leave them the 
>rest of the fixed price. If you will (soon) find that even that time isn't 
>enough to deliver what they are now see absolutely different than in the 
>beginning - explain them what happens, trade the new fixed price - if they 
>agree - continue, if not - quit - it promise to be "endless" story for you 
>and for the customer, which will end sooner or later without any 
>satisfaction nor on your nor on their part...
>
>Of course working on hourly rate as many say here is more realistic approach 
>but 4 days per form/report for advanced applications seems to work rather 
>well - just from real life experience...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>  
>
>>I used to explain this to clients via the fence post analogy for
>>undiscovered problems.
>>
>>A man wanted to install a new fence, to keep his kids from wandering.
>>He would build the fence himself but to save time he would get a
>>contractor to dig the post holes.
>>The contractor submitted a bid  for digging 10 post holes
>>but the man wanted it broken down to the unit cost of each post hole
>>and would pay accordingly. The contractor agreed.
>>On digging the tenth hole a huge boulder was encountered and the 
>>contractor
>>gave up, after realizing it would take several days to remove the boulder.
>>So the contractor submitted his bill for 9 post holes, leaving the man
>>to find a way of removing the boulder.
>>
>>Just remember that 90% of the job was completed easily but the final 10%
>>was going to be a real bear.
>>
>>Here is a quote from Rebbeca Riordan a longtime Access Developer
>>"And the number of objects absolutely comes into the estimate for the
>>fixed-price component.  What I used to do when I was churning out systems
>>full-time was start with a day per form and two days per report (I'm not
>>good at reports <g>).  Nothing for tables, since I do the schema as part 
>>of
>>the analysis.  Then to that base, I'd add a modifier -- this is a really
>>simple form, so figure .04; that's a difficult report, so 1.5, and so
>>forth.
>>Then there's documentation -- if they want user docs, I figure 150% of the
>>development time.  Clients _hate_ that, but documentation is
>>time-consuming,
>>and ultimately, even if you're working fixed-price, you calculate based on
>>an hourly rate.  I won't do hands-on training, so I can't speak to that,
>>but
>>I if they want a training guide, it's the same price as the user manual. "
>>
>>Good bock on the subject
>>Rapid Development : Taming Wild Software Schedules
>>by Steve C McConnell
>>
>>PS. I knew one British Access Developer who used to estimate
>>by the simple means of 5 pounds per field on a form and used to
>>come quite close to the actual cost. But then he had a large toolbox
>>of previously written code.
>>
>>
>>
>>Barbara Ryan wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client 
>>>has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application, 
>>>although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database 
>>>object, lines of code, etc.).
>>>
>>>The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., 
>>>some reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, 
>>>and/or output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA 
>>>code.
>>>
>>>Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your 
>>>opinion, what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Barb Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>Marty Connelly
>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>  
>

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr  5 16:17:18 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:17:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <893161.1144253877222.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000001c658f6$525b92d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Barb,

I'd have a talk with your client and thoroughly discuss the decisions that
he wants to make with the 'unit cost' number.  I'll bet that he really needs
something other than 'unit cost'.

Best of Luck,
Dan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:11 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client
has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application,
although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database object,
lines of code, etc.).

The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g., some
reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or
output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.

Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your opinion,
what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Wed Apr  5 16:39:22 2006
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:39:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <000001c658f6$525b92d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00d101c658f9$675284c0$0b00a8c0@desktop>

Thanks for all of your suggestions!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Barb,
>
> I'd have a talk with your client and thoroughly discuss the decisions that
> he wants to make with the 'unit cost' number.  I'll bet that he really
needs
> something other than 'unit cost'.
>
> Best of Luck,
> Dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:11 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
> I have been working on an Access application for several years.  My client
> has asked for a "per unit cost" for the development of this application,
> although he is unsure what "unit" is most meaningful (e.g., database
object,
> lines of code, etc.).
>
> The database functions vary tremendously in their complexity --- e.g.,
some
> reports are very simple while others contain several subreports, and/or
> output spreadsheets or files.  The database contains lots of VBA code.
>
> Are there any white papers, etc. that address this issue?  In your
opinion,
> what is the best method of computing a "per unit cost"?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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From tom.p at piedpiper.com.au  Thu Apr  6 03:04:36 2006
From: tom.p at piedpiper.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:04:36 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC Has anyone had any experience with PPML
References: <000001c658f6$525b92d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00d101c658f9$675284c0$0b00a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <02ed01c65950$bf60b680$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>

Hi  all....

Have any of you had any experience with using PPML which is.....

"PPML, personalized print markup language, is a widely supported, XML-based 
industry standard print language developed by PODi. PPML is an open, 
interoperable, device-independent standard that enables the widespread use 
of personalized print applications in high volumes."

As many of you may know I have been developing and using a database 
application for many years now based in Access that could take advantage of 
the above language..... There is however a flaw in my plan..... I know 
nothing about PPML.

My application has always used the standard Access reports to produce 
printer output but I am reaching the limit of quality and efficiency with 
this method and need to change.

It occurs to me that I could actually store XML templates for my print files 
in an Access memo field and simply export them as required. The practice may 
however may be different.

TIA

Tom Keatley



 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  6 06:29:01 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:29:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting old dates
Message-ID: <s43517bc.069@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Are you aware that old dates - those with negative value, prior to 1899-12-30 - do not sort correctly if they contain a time part?
You may never need it but if you do, the usual method is to use Format:

  SortDate = Format([DateField], "yyyymmddhhnnss")

and sort on that, but it is slow. 
Another and faster method is this:

  SELECT 
    * 
  FROM 
    tblDates
  ORDER BY 
    Fix([DateField]), 
    Abs([DateField]);

Fix takes care of keeping the dates in correct sequence (Int can not be used!) while Abs for a given date allows to sort the timepart correctly.

/gustav



From darrend at nimble.com.au  Thu Apr  6 07:35:18 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:35:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
Message-ID: <20060406123608.ZQNM24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi All
In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection
This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
 
I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line
for starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that requires

someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
 
I have seen apps use the connection to 'just dial' with no user intervention
Such as Virus Updaters etc
 
Anyone know the command line or the relevant exe?
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  6 07:51:19 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:51:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
Message-ID: <s4352af4.074@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

I have no dial-up connection at hand, but can't you just check if some URL exists?

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long

Public Function IsURL(ByVal strURL As String) As Boolean

' Usage: Check if URL strURL is alive and reachable.
'   booURL = IsURL("http://www.ibm.com")
'   booURL = IsURL("ftp://ftp.novell.com")
'
' Note: Protocol header like "http://" must be provided.
'
' 2001-12-09. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' File found at most URLs.
  Const cstrFileIndex As String = "index.htm"

  IsURL = (URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL, cstrFileIndex, 0, 0) = 0)
  
End Function

/gustav

>>> darrend at nimble.com.au 06-04-2006 14:35:18 >>>
Hi All
In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection
This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
 
I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line
for starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that requires

someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
 
I have seen apps use the connection to 'just dial' with no user intervention
Such as Virus Updaters etc
 
Anyone know the command line or the relevant exe?
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr  6 07:54:14 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:54:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
In-Reply-To: <20060406123608.ZQNM24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <44359C16.22673.AE007E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Apr 2006 at 22:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi All
> In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection
> This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
> 
> I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line
> for starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that
> requires
> 
> someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
> 

Simplest way is to Shell out to Rasdial.exe
Shell("Rasdial ConnectionName UserName Password")
to disconnect
Shell("Rasdial ConnectionName /Disconnect")


-- 
Stuart




From darrend at nimble.com.au  Thu Apr  6 08:12:42 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:12:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
In-Reply-To: <s4352af4.074@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20060406131345.HUW24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi Gustav
I don't want to check if there is a connection
I just want to dial a connection with no user intervention
Stuart from PNG had the solution
Many thanks for the response 


Darren
------------------------------
T: 0424 696 433
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 10:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection

Hi Darren

I have no dial-up connection at hand, but can't you just check if some URL
exists?

Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias
"URLDownloadToFileA" ( _
  ByVal pCaller As Long, _
  ByVal szURL As String, _
  ByVal szFileName As String, _
  ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
  ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _
  As Long

Public Function IsURL(ByVal strURL As String) As Boolean

' Usage: Check if URL strURL is alive and reachable.
'   booURL = IsURL("http://www.ibm.com")
'   booURL = IsURL("ftp://ftp.novell.com")
'
' Note: Protocol header like "http://" must be provided.
'
' 2001-12-09. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' File found at most URLs.
  Const cstrFileIndex As String = "index.htm"

  IsURL = (URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL, cstrFileIndex, 0, 0) = 0)
  
End Function

/gustav

>>> darrend at nimble.com.au 06-04-2006 14:35:18 >>>
Hi All
In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection This
if for my personal machine - using dial up only
 
I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line for starting the
default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that requires

someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
 
I have seen apps use the connection to 'just dial' with no user intervention
Such as Virus Updaters etc
 
Anyone know the command line or the relevant exe?
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren

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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Thu Apr  6 08:12:42 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:12:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
In-Reply-To: <44359C16.22673.AE007E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20060406131409.HYJ24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Stuart - Perfect
Many thanks
 


Darren
------------------------------
T: 0424 696 433
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 10:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection

On 6 Apr 2006 at 22:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi All
> In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up 
> connection This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
> 
> I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line for 
> starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that 
> requires
> 
> someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
> 

Simplest way is to Shell out to Rasdial.exe Shell("Rasdial ConnectionName
UserName Password") to disconnect Shell("Rasdial ConnectionName /Disconnect")


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Apr  6 09:24:38 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:24:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6CF2@main2.marlow.com>

If memory serves correctly, there should be a rasdial.exe you can use.  You
may have to find it.  Something like rasdial "NameOfYourDialupConnection"

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Start a dial up connection

Hi All
In an Access app I have - I need to start up the local dial up connection
This if for my personal machine - using dial up only
 
I used to know (probably can find it again) the command line
for starting the default dial up screen - but it starts the screen that
requires

someone to click the 'Connect' or 'Dial'  button
 
I have seen apps use the connection to 'just dial' with no user intervention
Such as Virus Updaters etc
 
Anyone know the command line or the relevant exe?
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Apr  6 11:09:05 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:09:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D351F4@ADGSERVER>

Hey,

I have the following:

wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
ID 		- autonumber/primary key
FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
ColWidth	- double/not indexed
ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)


Still here?  Good.

My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
there's only one in this example.

Here is the query:
INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting this
error:

error 3022
'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.
Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove
the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again.'

If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on the
datasheet button, I get this error message:
"Circular reference caused by alias 'FieldID' in query definition's SELECT
list."

If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
could not update because of key violations.

I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as to
why I am having this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby





From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Apr  6 12:08:05 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:08:05 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AB76@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Very odd, and I can't explain it. But that never stopped me before. :-)

First I'd get rid of the Ordered By clause. It makes no sense to sort
records while you are appending them to a table, because the order of
records in a table is simple not defined. All sorting should be done by
queries when you select data to view it.

Second, the only thing I can think of is to explicitly identify the source
table of the ID field in the WHERE cause. So try this SQL instead...

INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE wrkSearchSelected.ID IN (11) ;

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...


Hey,

I have the following:

wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
ID 		- autonumber/primary key
FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
ColWidth	- double/not indexed
ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)


Still here?  Good.

My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
there's only one in this example.

Here is the query:
INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting this
error:

error 3022
'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.
Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove
the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again.'

If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on the
datasheet button, I get this error message: "Circular reference caused by
alias 'FieldID' in query definition's SELECT list."

If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
could not update because of key violations.

I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as to
why I am having this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby



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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr  6 12:29:54 2006
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:29:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A05A81D47@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Bobby,

I'm nothing like an expert with SQL, so I probably shouldn't even hazard
a guess here, but I notice that you haven't explicitly stated the fields
being updated in the target table.  Assuming that this is generally
acceptable syntax, and that there's not some default behavior that
attempts to match data by field names (like I said, I'm no expert), your
query may be trying to push into the primary key field of the target
table the first field of the recordset returned by the select clause.
Since that field may contain duplicates, you'd get a key violation upon
execution when the first duplicate is encountered.

I'd try specifying the fields to insert into for the target table:

INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable (FieldID, FieldDescr, DBField,
UnionField, ColWidth, ColVisible, UserID)
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

Hope this helps . . .

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...

Hey,

I have the following:

wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
ID 		- autonumber/primary key
FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
ColWidth	- double/not indexed
ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)


Still here?  Good.

My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
there's only one in this example.

Here is the query:
INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting
this
error:

error 3022
'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or
relationship.
Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data,
remove
the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try
again.'

If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on
the
datasheet button, I get this error message:
"Circular reference caused by alias 'FieldID' in query definition's
SELECT
list."

If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
could not update because of key violations.

I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as
to
why I am having this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby



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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Thu Apr  6 12:39:24 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:39:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A47CC@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Bobby, 

Test by destruction. Remove all relationships defined between the to
tables, and test. If that isn't the problem, drop the primary index on
wrkSearchAvailable, and run the query again. If that doesn't make the
problem go away, drop another index, and try again. If no joy, remove
all required field settings, and retry. If that still doesn't work, drop
fields one by one and retry.

The last thing you removed before the errors stopped is the thing that
is causing the problem. Examine it more closely, and the solution will
become apparent.

-Ken

PS. It looks like you only need an autonumber ID on wrkSearchSelected.
wrkSearchAvailable should have a plain Long datatype (no autonumber) for
the ID field so it can properly reference the original record in
wrkSearchSelected. Hmm... Why do you need any fields in
wrkSearchAvailable other than ID? It doesn't look like any of the fields
copied to wrkSearchAvailable have data that should be changed, so why
not just refer to them in wrkSearchSelected?


From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Apr  6 12:42:18 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:42:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625406@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

You are right.  I was thinking from my mainframe days that the orderby
needed to specify noprint.... showing my age.  He does have to declare,
in order, where the fields are coming from, and then in order, where to
populate the fields.  It is easier to build the query in access and then
view the SQL to get the syntax down correctly (cheat). 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mcgillivray,
Don [IT]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...

Bobby,

I'm nothing like an expert with SQL, so I probably shouldn't even hazard
a guess here, but I notice that you haven't explicitly stated the fields
being updated in the target table.  Assuming that this is generally
acceptable syntax, and that there's not some default behavior that
attempts to match data by field names (like I said, I'm no expert), your
query may be trying to push into the primary key field of the target
table the first field of the recordset returned by the select clause.
Since that field may contain duplicates, you'd get a key violation upon
execution when the first duplicate is encountered.

I'd try specifying the fields to insert into for the target table:

INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable (FieldID, FieldDescr, DBField,
UnionField, ColWidth, ColVisible, UserID)
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

Hope this helps . . .

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...

Hey,

I have the following:

wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
ID 		- autonumber/primary key
FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
ColWidth	- double/not indexed
ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)


Still here?  Good.

My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
there's only one in this example.

Here is the query:
INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable 
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID 
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected 
	      WHERE ID IN (11) 
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting
this
error:

error 3022
'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or
relationship.
Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data,
remove the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and
try again.'

If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on
the datasheet button, I get this error message:
"Circular reference caused by alias 'FieldID' in query definition's
SELECT list."

If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
could not update because of key violations.

I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as
to why I am having this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby



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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  6 13:16:48 2006
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:16:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D351F4@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F39F7DABC59F6B302983259E5C80@phx.gbl>

this is a shot in the dark but maybe because destination columns are not 
defined in the insert statement, values are being inserted into autonumber 
field thereby producnig duplicate pk values.  perhaps defining destination 
columns may get rid of the error message.. that is,

INSERT INTO 
wrkSearchAvailable(FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth,ColVisible,UserID)
	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
		ColVisible,UserID
	   FROM wrkSearchSelected
	      WHERE ID IN (11)
		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;

HTH
Billy


>From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Circular reference error in query...
>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:09:05 -0400
>
>Hey,
>
>I have the following:
>
>wrkSearchAvailable and wrkSearchSelected tables (defined the same):
>ID 		- autonumber/primary key
>FieldID	- long/indexed (dupes ok)
>FieldDescr	- text(255)/not indexed
>DBField	- text(255)/not indexed
>UnionField	- text(50)/not indexed
>ColWidth	- double/not indexed
>ColVisible	- boolean/indexed (dupes ok)
>UserID	- text(75)/indexed (dupes ok)
>
>
>Still here?  Good.
>
>My query is built in VBA and the 11 in the 'IN (11)' is from a listbox -
>there's only one in this example.
>
>Here is the query:
>INSERT INTO wrkSearchAvailable
>	SELECT FieldID,FieldDescr,DBField,UnionField,ColWidth, _
>		ColVisible,UserID
>	   FROM wrkSearchSelected
>	      WHERE ID IN (11)
>		ORDER BY FieldDescr ASC;
>
>This query copies the selected records from wrkSearchSelected to
>wrkSearchAvailable.  The problem is that when this runs, I am getting this
>error:
>
>error 3022
>'The changes you requested to the table were not successful because they
>would create duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.
>Change the data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove
>the index, or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try 
>again.'
>
>If I paste the SQL into the QBE, and try to execute it by clicking on the
>datasheet button, I get this error message:
>"Circular reference caused by alias 'FieldID' in query definition's SELECT
>list."
>
>If I execute the query using the Run button (!), I get a message that it
>could not update because of key violations.
>
>I appreciate that you have made it this far.  Anyone have any ideas as to
>why I am having this issue?
>
>Thanks,
>Bobby
>
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  6 13:55:51 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:55:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC Has anyone had any experience with PPML
References: <000001c658f6$525b92d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00d101c658f9$675284c0$0b00a8c0@desktop>
	<02ed01c65950$bf60b680$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>
Message-ID: <44356437.5030000@shaw.ca>

Never used it, only heard of it. There should be a list of PPML
XML tags on here.

http://www.podi.org/home.php

Tom Keatley wrote:

>Hi  all....
>
>Have any of you had any experience with using PPML which is.....
>
>"PPML, personalized print markup language, is a widely supported, XML-based 
>industry standard print language developed by PODi. PPML is an open, 
>interoperable, device-independent standard that enables the widespread use 
>of personalized print applications in high volumes."
>
>As many of you may know I have been developing and using a database 
>application for many years now based in Access that could take advantage of 
>the above language..... There is however a flaw in my plan..... I know 
>nothing about PPML.
>
>My application has always used the standard Access reports to produce 
>printer output but I am reaching the limit of quality and efficiency with 
>this method and need to change.
>
>It occurs to me that I could actually store XML templates for my print files 
>in an Access memo field and simply export them as required. The practice may 
>however may be different.
>
>TIA
>
>Tom Keatley
>
>
>
> 
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  6 15:45:51 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:45:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AB76@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F45D506FF22190237B75E1D2C80@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I'm using A97 to pull from an Informix db over ODBC.  The field I'm dealing 
with stores credit card information.  The problem is it comes in Scientific 
notation...if I try to pull as fixed...it works except for the 16 digit card 
numbers...it rounds the last 2 digits up or down?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark




From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr  6 16:04:09 2006
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:04:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A05A8221B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

You probably need to pull the data as "Text" instead of "Fixed".  Not
only is it rounding, but any leading zeros are being ignored.  (Don't
know if that's an issue with CC numbers, but for US postal codes it
definitely is.)

HTH

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format

Hello All,

I'm using A97 to pull from an Informix db over ODBC.  The field I'm
dealing 
with stores credit card information.  The problem is it comes in
Scientific 
notation...if I try to pull as fixed...it works except for the 16 digit
card 
numbers...it rounds the last 2 digits up or down?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Apr  6 16:07:19 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:07:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C644@dewey.Symphony.local>

Does it help to treat it as text?


Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 4:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format

Hello All,

I'm using A97 to pull from an Informix db over ODBC.  The field I'm
dealing with stores credit card information.  The problem is it comes in
Scientific notation...if I try to pull as fixed...it works except for
the 16 digit card numbers...it rounds the last 2 digits up or down?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  6 17:01:20 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:01:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Credit Card Number..Scientific format
References: <BAY114-F45D506FF22190237B75E1D2C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44358FB0.5050205@shaw.ca>

Thumbscrews on the Informix DBA. A CC number is a string of digits not a 
mathematical entity.

As soon as you move into a double it will truncate and round.
and a double can only have 15 significant digits due to the fixed size 
of  the mantissa and exponent.
If you can find out the data type on the Informix side that might help, 
maybe you can force into a Currency
datatype that allows 19 significant digits or even a Decimal datatype 
declared as a Variant subtype.
If not read into a 4 byte text string and do a lot of bit twiddling.

Mark A Matte wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>I'm using A97 to pull from an Informix db over ODBC.  The field I'm dealing 
>with stores credit card information.  The problem is it comes in Scientific 
>notation...if I try to pull as fixed...it works except for the 16 digit card 
>numbers...it rounds the last 2 digits up or down?
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Thu Apr  6 18:09:48 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:09:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
Message-ID: <000f01c659cf$3421cad0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that a 
demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the CD 
without installing anything on the user's computer?

The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the C:\ 
drive.

And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on their 
computer or even Access 2003?

Thank you,

Penn 



From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Thu Apr  6 18:18:46 2006
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:18:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone on list in LA area?
Message-ID: <002501c659d0$749c0750$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>

I need to pass on a job due to health reasons. Any one in
the LA area and has time to pick up some work?

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net

 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  6 18:30:48 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:30:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A2A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I don't think you can do this, but I haven't worked with the runtime in
2003, only in those up through 2002.  Runtimes are installed to the
directory you specify and they don't get put in the same location as the
access executable.  You have to specify the full path to the runtime
msaccess.exe when you open the database, so you could try pointing at
the CD, but the install sets up connections in the registry that
wouldn't be there under those circumstances. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Penn White
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?

Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that
a demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from
the CD without installing anything on the user's computer?

The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the
C:\ drive.

And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on
their computer or even Access 2003?

Thank you,

Penn 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Apr  6 18:26:17 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:26:17 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6D62@main2.marlow.com>

An installation goes to the OS, and whatever drive it's on.  If you
installed software to a CD, the OS would have to read .dll's from that CD,
which would be pretty slow.  And, that CD wouldn't 'work' on another
machine, because that machine's registry wouldn't have the proper settings.
(When you install software, only certain things go where you say you want it
installed.  A lot of things are done in the registry and go automatically
into the Windows/winnt and system32 folder).

Your best option would be to put the application on CD, along with the
runtime installation.  If the people you are demoing it too have Access
2003, then they can just run your demo database.  If they don't have Access,
then they install the runtime first, then run your demo.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?

Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that a 
demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the CD 
without installing anything on the user's computer?

The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the C:\ 
drive.

And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on their 
computer or even Access 2003?

Thank you,

Penn 

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Apr  6 23:11:48 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:11:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6D62@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.)
This same question probably also extends to font (client A likes Arial,
client B likes Times Roman). Can this be done? Or must I continue with this
inane form-by-form selection and resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur



From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu Apr  6 23:38:45 2006
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:38:45 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
References: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c659fd$280f09f0$0501a8c0@studio2>

hi group,
A lot of my files have been inflected by he known kamasutra virus,
so when I am trying to open all my office files it's only shows
ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
please SOS.... is there anybody knows if it's posseble and how to get the 
data back?

is there a repair utility anywhere?

I have try all the known unrecovery products

thank's in advance
kostas \



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Apr  6 23:39:47 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:39:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re:  [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]]
Message-ID: <4435ED13.9030705@san.rr.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Incompatibility?]
Date: 	Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:22:26 -0700
From: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: 	Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
References: 	<4431457F.1090400 at san.rr.com> <44318727.4040100 at shaw.ca>



Marty:

Thanks for all that.  The guy I'm working with is in Bangalore.  His 
problem site is, I think, in Hyderabad.  And in Hyderabad, they don't 
have broadband.  So I can't send him anything there but short emails.  
So it will take a while for this to unfold.  I'll be a dollar it's a DLL 
problem.  Maybe a reference issue which your code will uncover.  It's at 
least Access 2000.  That's not a 'lower level of Access' is it?

I'll let you know if something interesting turns up.

Best,

Rocky


MartyConnelly wrote:
> You might get this with ArcInfo as it uses Access as one of its data 
> engines,
> so you might get a bum DAO reference on an install, don't know about AutoCAD
> AutoCAD might also might forece an install of an old common control.
>
> This might help
>
> Stick this code in an mde and run on the odd machine.
> It will printout the possible reference differences (version number, 
> path and name).
> Or rewrite this inorder to dump to a text file like
> 'kill file as necessary
> Open c:\temp\outputref.txt For Output As #1
>      Print #1, ReferencePropertiesList
>      Close #1
> Run it from autoexec macro, code should be fully disambiguated to avoid 
> any initial reference check
> before running. ie VBA.MsgBox, Access.Reference and VBA.Len, VarPtr 
> might not be available in lower versions of Access
> might be a replacement on www.mvps.org/access
>
>
>   



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 01:04:59 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:04:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c65a09$34a1eaf0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From viner at EUnet.yu  Fri Apr  7 01:34:26 2006
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:34:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on Report based
	on dynamic crosstab query
Message-ID: <002201c65a0d$6aa91b60$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

<Cross posted AccessD Access-L >   
Hi,
I have a report which have crosstab query with dynamic column names for recordsource. So I have to assign the control source for the text boxes on the fly. Something like:
Dim rst As Recordset
    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT * FROM  qryCroRealPrPred")
    Me.txtBox1 =  "=" & db.QueryDefs("qryCroRealPrPred").Fields(1).Name & ")"

Where should I put these lines? Or how to recalculate(evaluate) these text boxes(have no succeed with Eval function), because if I put these lines in the Detail Format/Print the text boxes contains only the field names(strings) not the values of the fields(numbers).
Many TIA's
    Ervin

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 02:37:10 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:37:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
References: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com>
	<003d01c659fd$280f09f0$0501a8c0@studio2>
Message-ID: <443616A6.8090804@shaw.ca>

There is a removal tool but don't know if you will recover files, virus 
affects files on disks
with a letter greater than C:
Read thourghly first, it is an involved procedure

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal.e at mm.html
Tool

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal at mm.removal.tool.html

Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

>hi group,
>A lot of my files have been inflected by he known kamasutra virus,
>so when I am trying to open all my office files it's only shows
>ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
>please SOS.... is there anybody knows if it's posseble and how to get the 
>data back?
>
>is there a repair utility anywhere?
>
>I have try all the known unrecovery products
>
>thank's in advance
>kostas \
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From kost36 at otenet.gr  Fri Apr  7 03:37:33 2006
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:37:33 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
References: <00af01c659f9$6442b560$8e01a8c0@Camelot.com><003d01c659fd$280f09f0$0501a8c0@studio2>
	<443616A6.8090804@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001401c65a1e$84790440$0501a8c0@studio2>

I really did it Marty
but the only it does is to stop the virus...
it can't repair the infected files and it doesn't delete
the generated by the virus files too

anyway
thank's for your reply
/kostas


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From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]


> There is a removal tool but don't know if you will recover files, virus
> affects files on disks
> with a letter greater than C:
> Read thourghly first, it is an involved procedure
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal.e at mm.html
> Tool
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal at mm.removal.tool.html
>
> Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:
>
>>hi group,
>>A lot of my files have been inflected by he known kamasutra virus,
>>so when I am trying to open all my office files it's only shows
>>ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
>>please SOS.... is there anybody knows if it's posseble and how to get the
>>data back?
>>
>>is there a repair utility anywhere?
>>
>>I have try all the known unrecovery products
>>
>>thank's in advance
>>kostas \
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr  7 04:42:32 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 05:42:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6D62@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c65a27$983e6c50$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Drew & Charlotte,

Thank you for your replies.  I was thinking that was probably the case but 
didn't have all the details.

Just to clarify, Drew, these are the steps as I understand them from your 
post:

1. Package Wizard the runtime without any files and put Setup.exe and \files 
folder (but not the autorun.inf) on a CD (maybe in a \Setup folder?).
2. On the same CD, put the frontend *.mde and the backend *.mdb.
3. Send the CD to the potential client with instructions that
    a. if they have ACC03 installed to just double clicck on the *.mde file 
(the frontend) on the CD.
    b. if they don't have ACC03 (or maybe ACC03 runtime for some other 
reason), then they should double click on Setup.exe on the CD and after the 
setup wizard completes, double clcik on the *.mde file.

Note: My frontend automatically looks for the backend and if it can't find 
it, it prompts the user to locate it and then relinks.  It actually writes a 
registry entry itself for the path to the backend as a default for the next 
time when I send an updated front end.

Will that work or should I put the frontend and backend together for the 
demo, do you think?

What happens if they have an earlier version of Access on their machine and 
they run the Setup.exe from my demo CD?  Does it get overwritten by the 03 
Runtime or do they co-exist peacefully and happily?

Penn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?


> An installation goes to the OS, and whatever drive it's on.  If you
> installed software to a CD, the OS would have to read .dll's from that CD,
> which would be pretty slow.  And, that CD wouldn't 'work' on another
> machine, because that machine's registry wouldn't have the proper 
> settings.
> (When you install software, only certain things go where you say you want 
> it
> installed.  A lot of things are done in the registry and go automatically
> into the Windows/winnt and system32 folder).
>
> Your best option would be to put the application on CD, along with the
> runtime installation.  If the people you are demoing it too have Access
> 2003, then they can just run your demo database.  If they don't have 
> Access,
> then they install the runtime first, then run your demo.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>
> Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that a
> demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the 
> CD
> without installing anything on the user's computer?
>
> The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the C:\
> drive.
>
> And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on their
> computer or even Access 2003?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Penn
>
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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr  7 07:43:31 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:43:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
Message-ID: <000901c65a40$e0b3e2d0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

I have a form that pops up when a user clicks a button on a main form.  The 
form is a datasheet type list of (for example) Class Sections with the 
number of places available in the Class.  The user uses this form to select 
a Class Section with an empty place for a student in the main form.

I made the Class Section name control Enabled but Locked and put an 
OnDblClick event procedure on it.  When the user double clicks on a Class 
Section, the PKID for the Class Section is put onto the main form in the 
appropriate control (Form!Main_Form!cboClassSectionID = 
User_Selected_Class_SectionID_from_Popup_Form) and the popup selection form 
closes.  It works fine but it doesn't update the Class Register the way it 
does if I change the Class Section on the main form.  When I change the 
Class Section on the main form, there is an after update event which fires 
to update the Class Register.

Is there any way to force the after update event on the main form when the 
popup selection form closes or assigns the Class Section?

I've tried requerying the control and even the main form but they don't work 
because Access doesn't realize that the cboClassSectionID has been modified.

Thank you,

Penn 



From mikedorism at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 08:18:11 2006
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:18:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
In-Reply-To: <000901c65a40$e0b3e2d0$0302a8c0@pennp4>
Message-ID: <000201c65a45$b91a7540$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>

To answer your question, "Yes".  You could call the cboClassSection after
update event at the end of the double click code.  I have, however, had
mixed results with calling a control's after update event that way because
it doesn't always seem to work quite right.  Whenever I find it necessary to
duplicate a particular section of code in more than one place on a form, I
find it cleaner to create a public sub procedure on that form and call that
instead.  

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net




From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri Apr  7 08:44:36 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:44:36 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AD96@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing. I have a client who wants
every single control on every single form to be sized 12 point not the
default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum? Solutions requested! Client A wants 12 point Arial
everywhere. Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere. I begin most of
my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many on this list)
define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e. in the BE I
state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the Customers
table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all subsequent
forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and I don't
want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else. Can this be done, and if so how? TIA,
Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 09:41:58 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:41:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <009601c658ef$5ee63110$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 09:46:55 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:46:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AD96@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c65a52$1e24bca0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 09:48:08 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:48:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
In-Reply-To: <443616A6.8090804@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0IXC00IMVX3D0WE0@l-daemon>

Hi All:

Here is a post that I received the other day... scary?

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1945808,00.asp

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]

There is a removal tool but don't know if you will recover files, virus 
affects files on disks
with a letter greater than C:
Read thourghly first, it is an involved procedure

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal.e at mm.ht
ml
Tool

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal at mm.remo
val.tool.html

Kostas Konstantinidis wrote:

>hi group,
>A lot of my files have been inflected by he known kamasutra virus,
>so when I am trying to open all my office files it's only shows
>ERROR [47 0F 94 93 F4 K5]
>please SOS.... is there anybody knows if it's posseble and how to get the 
>data back?
>
>is there a repair utility anywhere?
>
>I have try all the known unrecovery products
>
>thank's in advance
>kostas \
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr  7 09:48:40 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:48:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <002401c65a52$5cc04380$e2b3d6d1@SUSANONE>


I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

==========Did your colleague ask him if HE worked for $12 an hour? 

Susan H. 



From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Apr  7 09:57:38 2006
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:57:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492D558@natexch.jenkens.com>

Definitely not worth the trouble to take this client.  If he is not happy
with his $5.00 per hour product and comes back to you, charge him double
what other clients get.  It probably still won't be worth your time, but
maybe you can get rid of him that way.  If you do take him, make an explicit
agreement that all code belongs to you, he merely buys rights to use the
product (not even modify it).  Nothing else is acceptable if you are dealing
with someone who thinks this is a legitimate offer.  As much as I reuse
code, he could make a legitimate case for 50% of all of my profits for the
rest of my existence if I were dumb enough to take that offer.  That is
unacceptable.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 10:05:15 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:05:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A31@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Just a caveat, Arthur.  Since you're looking at different fonts and
different point sizes, keep in mind that you would have to do extensive
testing on reports (even more than on forms) to insure that your
controls were large enough to accommodate the various fonts.  Report
labels, especially, "size to fit" but don't necessarily do so.   


Charlotte Foust

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to
be sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or
whatever, such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in
App 2 the AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm
because if it works there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This
same question probably also extends to font (client A likes Arial,
client B likes Times Roman). Can this be done? Or must I continue with
this inane form-by-form selection and resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike
many on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table
level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into
the Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in
all subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do
this, and I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about
that. I want to concentrate on the question of how to default all
AutoForms (and custom forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v.
12 and control-font = Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 10:09:32 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:09:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A32@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I think I would recommend that the client try the 'east Indian'
programmers, because you do NOT want him as a client.  Underhanded and
under the table are not good client characteristics. 


Charlotte Foust

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to
present a list of the best prices... a good idea. We had previously
agreed on principle but had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
the company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
two 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour
but felt that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar
code again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross
profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Apr  7 10:03:50 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:03:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625438@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Get him a plane ticket to India. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to
present a list of the best prices... a good idea. We had previously
agreed on principle but had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
the company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
two 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour
but felt that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar
code again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross
profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr  7 10:35:54 2006
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <005001c65a58$f5a57100$6101a8c0@50NM721>

...hard to comment ...laughing too hard :)

...I'd send him a "Get Well Soon" card :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> These are interesting times.
>
> Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
> client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
> The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 
> 'screen
> scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list 
> of
> the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
> had not negotiated a price.
>
> The client presented the young programmer with his position.
> First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.
> Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through 
> the
> company.
> Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had 
> two
> 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but 
> felt
> that he should try and support local talent.
>
> .. and a rider..
>
> The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
> again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
> I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
> Jim
>
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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr  7 10:48:52 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:48:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
References: <000201c65a45$b91a7540$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <001601c65a5a$c517ddf0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Thank you, Doris.

The problem is that the after update event also checks other controls on the 
main form to make sure they areen't blank and calls a couple of other 
procedures that are also private to the main form code module.

If I understood you correctly, you suggested I put something like this in 
the F_Students form code behind:

Public Sub P_CallClassSectionIDAfterUpdate()
  cboClassSectionID_AfterUpdate
End Sub

I tried that but the popup Class Selection form code couldn't see the sub. 
If I put it in one of the modules (I have an M_MiscFunctions module for 
things like this), it recognizes the sub but I'm no better off that before.

Thank you, Penn

> To answer your question, "Yes".  You could call the cboClassSection after
> update event at the end of the double click code.  I have, however, had
> mixed results with calling a control's after update event that way because
> it doesn't always seem to work quite right.  Whenever I find it necessary 
> to
> duplicate a particular section of code in more than one place on a form, I
> find it cleaner to create a public sub procedure on that form and call 
> that
> instead.
>
> Doris Manning
> mikedorism at verizon.net



From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Apr  7 10:50:47 2006
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:50:47 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Baby born at 123456
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492D559@natexch.jenkens.com>

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060406/NEWS01/104060025/
1009

At St. Cloud Hospital, a baby you can count on 
By Kari Petrie kpetrie at stcloudtimes.com 

Published: April 06. 2006 6:00AM
STORY CHAT (23) REGISTER HERE NOW 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----


It might be a sign he'll be a math wiz. Or, it might mean he'll be famous.

Or it could just be a coincidence.

Anthony Patrick Mertens' birth involved some interesting numbers Wednesday
at St. Cloud Hospital.

He showed up at 1:23 p.m. on 4-5-06 and weighs 7 pounds.

His parents are Linda Kolodjeski and Anthony Mertens, of St. Cloud.

The baby was early; he was due April 26. But doctors at St. Cloud Hospital
induced his mother at 9:30 a.m. Wednesday.

What the birth time and date means, Mertens' parents aren't sure.

"Hopefully, something good," Kolodjeski said.

Mertens has two older sisters, Courtney, 6, and Zoe, 15 months.

But the senior Mertens said he's excited to have a boy in the family. Father
and son not only share names, but also looks.

Mertens plans to take his son to Twins' games for his birthday each year.

"That's the fun part," he said.


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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 10:56:43 2006
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:56:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
In-Reply-To: <001601c65a5a$c517ddf0$0302a8c0@pennp4>
Message-ID: <000301c65a5b$de981370$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>

If you are going that route, don't put it in the pop-up's code.  Put it in
the procedure that called the pop-up so it will run when the pop-up closes.

The only way you could call it from the pop-up is if you changed the after
update event in the main form from private to public.

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net




From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 11:21:26 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:21:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <00a801c65a52$1e24bca0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <E1FRtiE-0004BA-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

  It's only silly to say if your trying to solve all those other problems.
And while a framework does solve a lot of problems, it also creates some of
it's own; performance, complexity, class design, etc

  Frameworks are not the pancrea that everyone believes.

Jim.  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Apr  7 11:39:15 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:39:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on Report
	basedon dynamic crosstab query
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A4A51@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Ervin,

How about something like: 

    txtBox1.ControlSource =
db.QueryDefs("qryCroRealPrPred").Fields(1).Name 

-Ken


From max at sherman.org.uk  Fri Apr  7 11:41:16 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:41:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <003f01c65a09$34a1eaf0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001f01c65a62$18036b90$dd6b1152@Max>

John,
This framework sounds incredibly useful and powerful.  What I would like is
some type of trigger at table level so that if a record changes or one is
added or deleted then a function runs.   Would your framework be able to
handle this type of functionality?
Regards
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 07 April 2006 07:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Apr  7 12:10:48 2006
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:10:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <014b01c65a66$3732fbd0$eba30c54@minster33c3r25>

Look on the bright side Jim. Not much chance of the mean ******** pinching
your staff.

Tell him you agree that local businesses should be supported, and that that
support includes protection from parasites like him.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 07 April 2006 15:42
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
> 
> 
> These are interesting times. 
> 
> Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to 
> see a new client as I was out of the city for a couple of 
> days on business.
> 
> The client would like a custom made complex piece of code 
> that would 'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site 
> would be able to present a list of the best prices... a good 
> idea. We had previously agreed on principle but had not 
> negotiated a price.
> 
> The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
> First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the 
> client called.  
> Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not 
> go through the company. Third, the maximum rate he would pay 
> would be $12.00 and hour as he had two 'east Indian' 
> programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but 
> felt that he should try and support local talent.
> 
> .. and a rider..
> 
> The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used 
> similar code again, in another paying contract we would pay 
> him 50% of gross profits.
> 
> I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
> 
> Jim  
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Apr  7 12:54:14 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:54:14 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AEB5@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Touched a hot button there, huh?

I'm not denying the power of frameworks and class libraries, it's just that
Arthur needed a quick solution, and the answer was right there in the Access
environment.

Have a great weekend one and all.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 13:08:30 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:08:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <E1FRtiE-0004BA-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00d601c65a6e$47a90740$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Uhhh, yep.  Of course I wasn't trying to solve all of those other problems.
I solved one, then another then another etc.  I started with a simple
library like many developers do.  It was truly only when I finally figured
out Withevents (which REQUIRE classes) and now had a grasp of classes (as
implemented in Access anyway), that the framework really began to happen.

Complexity, yes of course.  Classes, yes of course.  Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.  What a lot of people don't
know is that the CODE for a class only loads once.  The entire class loads
the first time it is used, and remains in memory after that so it isn't like
if I load a form with 40 controls I have to LOAD the 40 control classes over
and over again. The form class loads once, the combo class loads once, the
text box class loads once, then the VARIABLE/CONSTANT portion is created for
each class instance.

Frameworks are a tool, a very powerful tool, but certainly not a panacea.
OTOH, cutting and pasting code into forms or modules in each FE is no
panacea either.  There are developers out there that only work on a single
FE.  A framework is much less useful there since you don't need to apply the
same functionality to a second application.  For anyone maintaining more
than one application, a "library" is almost a requirement, and a framework
is simply the next (HUGE) step up in functionality.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,

  It's only silly to say if your trying to solve all those other problems.
And while a framework does solve a lot of problems, it also creates some of
it's own; performance, complexity, class design, etc

  Frameworks are not the pancrea that everyone believes.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 13:16:19 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:16:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <00d701c65a6f$5f137c20$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Jim,

This is amusing.  I had a previous client go to India for some work.  He got
3 programmers for the same hourly rate I was charging (back then) - it would
be more like 5 or 6 today.  He hired a firm to do this for him rather than
hire me.  They assigned 3 programmers and told him it would take 3 months.
A year later, they were still not done.  He WAS going to India to try and
get it straightened out.

I was just smiling.

I am NOT "making fun of" Indian (or any other nationality) programmers but
building a program is not like building a bridge or a house.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 13:21:09 2006
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:21:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000501c65a70$10ead420$c767a8c0@amdgcda>

Jim,

Go ahead and tell him you will take on the project for $12.00 an hour and
then go back and have the East Indian programmers work on it for $5.00 per
hour turning in a $7.00 per hour "profit". 

Eric

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  7 13:28:41 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:28:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
References: <000501c65a70$10ead420$c767a8c0@amdgcda>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820DC@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work out how to do this from a single point.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 13:42:29 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:42:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <001f01c65a62$18036b90$dd6b1152@Max>
Message-ID: <00d801c65a73$07854070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

No, this is not possible (AFAIK) in Access.  The MDB back end is nothing but
a file to JET / Access.  Each instance of Access, running on each
workstation can change / delete / append records.  Access does an admirable
job of "announcing" such changes to other users but basically (again, AFAIK)
there is no "event" that can be intercepted on machine A to tell you that
something happened on machine B, much less prevent it or do something about
it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,
This framework sounds incredibly useful and powerful.  What I would like is
some type of trigger at table level so that if a record changes or one is
added or deleted then a function runs.   Would your framework be able to
handle this type of functionality?
Regards
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 07 April 2006 07:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr  7 13:54:06 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:54:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447C5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i 
 end if

Does that make any sense? 

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  7 14:01:39 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:01:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447C5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820DD@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data. 
 
Martin
 
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Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 14:06:58 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:06:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8AEB5@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c65a76$72acdd10$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Touched a hot button there, huh?

LOL, I suppose.  I can tell you that for the "hundreds of hours spent
designing a framework", well over 50% of that time was required just to
design a solution to a problem I needed solved.  Having designed the
solution once I then have it available "automatically" for the next project.
The framework has saved me thousands of hours of application design time
over the years that I have used it.  So of course, "do the math".  

>I'm not denying the power of frameworks and class libraries, it's just that
Arthur needed a quick solution, and the answer was right there in the Access
environment.

Arthur needs a "quick solution" exactly because he does not use a framework.
I can modify my framework to do exactly what he is discussing in an hour or
two.  That is a quick solution, and furthermore it is a permanent solution
that is immediately available for all other applications that use my
framework.  Once implemented I can change the font / pitch in a matter of
seconds, for the entire application, simply by modifying a SysVar.  Arthur
may still be looking for his quick solution, and when he finds it, it will
be a band aid.

Your solution didn't sound like an answer to me at all.  

>Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog.

That of course does work IF you are doing this from the start but NOT if you
want to apply it to existing forms.  Further, what happens when ClientA
changes his mind half way through the project.

Your "solution" is the typical "power user" solution, which works quite well
IF ... But not at all ELSE...

I will be the first to admit I do not have a "quick" solution for him (since
he doesn't use a framework).  I try very hard not to "do it quick" but
rather to "do it right".  In the end, "doing it right" means I can "do
anything I have done before quickly".  Works for me.

>>Touched a hot button there, huh?

I am quite content with my framework solutions.  Thanks for asking.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Touched a hot button there, huh?

I'm not denying the power of frameworks and class libraries, it's just that
Arthur needed a quick solution, and the answer was right there in the Access
environment.

Have a great weekend one and all.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr  7 14:24:53 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:24:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?
References: <000301c65a5b$de981370$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <001001c65a78$f2869740$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Brilliant!  That is a great solution.  Should have thought of it myself but 
I didn't.  Maybe next time.  Thank you very much.  Penn

Note: I discovered that you have to be sure to open the form in dialog mode. 
Setting the form to popup +/- mofal doesn't stop the script and runs the 
after update event before the user has a chance to select the new Class 
Section.  In the acDialogmode, you don't have to set the Popup & Modal 
properties to Yes because the acDialog mode does it for you.

Thanks again!

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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to force an after update event in another form?


> If you are going that route, don't put it in the pop-up's code.  Put it in
> the procedure that called the pop-up so it will run when the pop-up 
> closes.
>
> The only way you could call it from the pop-up is if you changed the after
> update event in the main form from private to public.
>
> Doris Manning
> mikedorism at verizon.net
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr  7 14:27:06 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:27:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447D4@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

How about another suggestion from left field?  One question first: As
each form opens you need to determine whether or not the data in that
form comes from Sharepoint? Then you'll show/hide the text box? (OK 2
questions)


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a
condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need
to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true
then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if
the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data. 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  7 14:44:34 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:44:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447D4@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820DE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Thats the idea Jim. Its for a demo I am giving on SharePoint.Get the feeling this is over complicated?
 
Martin
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 20:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



How about another suggestion from left field?  One question first: As
each form opens you need to determine whether or not the data in that
form comes from Sharepoint? Then you'll show/hide the text box? (OK 2
questions)


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a
condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need
to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true
then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if
the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477


________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477




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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 14:46:32 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:46:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <00d601c65a6e$47a90740$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <E1FRwuh-0005pY-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

<<Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.>>

  I was thinking more in terms of execution speed.  For the example at hand
(and it's not a great example, but you'll get the point), if I have an app
that doesn't need the point size modified ever, then anything that executes
to maintain that feature is just a waste.   Depending on the framework and
what it provides, it can be the difference between a sluggish app and one
that is snappy.

  The general problem with frameworks is that you want to use it on
everything (and there in lies it's power).  But as a result, as you toss in
anything you need now and might need in the future, it just becomes more and
more bloated for each application in general.

  Office is a great example of how that gets out of control; at one point,
something like 90% of the features in office were never used by most people.
That 90% to them was just a waste.  Microsoft combated this to a certain
extent by only installing a limited feature set and having an install on the
fly if it's needed, but they still waste a lot of cycles checking the state
of things.

  Frameworks are great and do solve a lot of problems, but I've found that
you need to be very careful not to overbuild.  In regards to Access, I have
many of the same features that you have, but their in small discrete modules
that I can load into an app as needed, keeping it somewhat light weight.  Of
course the trade-off is that it takes me a little more work to hook things
up.

  With VFP, I use a full blown framework with a truck load of features and
because it is a compiled language, the performance hit isn't that great and
I can get away with it.  But I'd hate to use something like that with
Access.

Jim.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Uhhh, yep.  Of course I wasn't trying to solve all of those other problems.
I solved one, then another then another etc.  I started with a simple
library like many developers do.  It was truly only when I finally figured
out Withevents (which REQUIRE classes) and now had a grasp of classes (as
implemented in Access anyway), that the framework really began to happen.

Complexity, yes of course.  Classes, yes of course.  Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.  What a lot of people don't
know is that the CODE for a class only loads once.  The entire class loads
the first time it is used, and remains in memory after that so it isn't like
if I load a form with 40 controls I have to LOAD the 40 control classes over
and over again. The form class loads once, the combo class loads once, the
text box class loads once, then the VARIABLE/CONSTANT portion is created for
each class instance.

Frameworks are a tool, a very powerful tool, but certainly not a panacea.
OTOH, cutting and pasting code into forms or modules in each FE is no
panacea either.  There are developers out there that only work on a single
FE.  A framework is much less useful there since you don't need to apply the
same functionality to a second application.  For anyone maintaining more
than one application, a "library" is almost a requirement, and a framework
is simply the next (HUGE) step up in functionality.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,

  It's only silly to say if your trying to solve all those other problems.
And while a framework does solve a lot of problems, it also creates some of
it's own; performance, complexity, class design, etc

  Frameworks are not the pancrea that everyone believes.

Jim.  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 14:53:45 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:53:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <000501c65a70$10ead420$c767a8c0@amdgcda>
Message-ID: <E1FRx1f-0000Ss-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Eric,

  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and the
culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand how
we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
were just trash because of this.

  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
commented with poor English or even worse, another language?

  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Jim,

Go ahead and tell him you will take on the project for $12.00 an hour and
then go back and have the East Indian programmers work on it for $5.00 per
hour turning in a $7.00 per hour "profit". 

Eric

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 14:58:24 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:58:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <00d801c65a73$07854070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <E1FRx6A-0002GB-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


<<No, this is not possible (AFAIK) in Access>>

  Actually not one sense.  There was a technique published by Michael Kaplan
many years ago in Smart Access which he called "SQL Lite".

  The technique was to leave a copy of Access running on a sever and have it
field all data requests from the clients.  So it was the only copy of Access
touching the JET database.  It then became possible to use "triggers" (and I
use the term loosely).  Of course you could do the same thing with a COM
component.

  Actually, maybe this is something that might be included in a framework...

  But your right with Access/JET it's not built-in straight out of the box.
Of course Access with a SQL backend is another story.

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

No, this is not possible (AFAIK) in Access.  The MDB back end is nothing but
a file to JET / Access.  Each instance of Access, running on each
workstation can change / delete / append records.  Access does an admirable
job of "announcing" such changes to other users but basically (again, AFAIK)
there is no "event" that can be intercepted on machine A to tell you that
something happened on machine B, much less prevent it or do something about
it.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,
This framework sounds incredibly useful and powerful.  What I would like is
some type of trigger at table level so that if a record changes or one is
added or deleted then a function runs.   Would your framework be able to
handle this type of functionality?
Regards
Max


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 07 April 2006 07:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Occasionally I have posed on this site as a person who knows what he is
doing. Forgive me for that, since I know nothing.
I have a client who wants every single control on every single form to be
sized 12 point not the default 10. 
I have another client who is quite satisfied with 10 point.
Is there a way to establish a compiler directive or global var or whatever,
such that in App 1 the AutoForm will respect 12 point while in App 2 the
AutoForm will respect 10 point? (I only mention AutoForm because if it works
there then I assume it will work everywhere.) This same question probably
also extends to font (client A likes Arial, client B likes Times Roman). Can
this be done? Or must I continue with this inane form-by-form selection and
resizing ad nauseum?
Solutions requested!
Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.
I begin most of my forms based on an underlying query. I also (unlike many
on this list) define every lookup etc. thoroughly at the table level (i.e.
in the BE I state that CustomerID in the Orders table is a lookup into the
Customers table). I do this so that I can inherit the definition in all
subsequent forms and reports. I realize that many of you do not do this, and
I don't want this to get sidetracked into a discussion about that. I want to
concentrate on the question of how to default all AutoForms (and custom
forms too) to default to control-font-size = 10 v. 12 and control-font =
Arial v. Courier or something else.
Can this be done, and if so how?
TIA,
Arthur

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr  7 15:02:33 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:02:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447E5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Maybe.  Check this solution out and see if it works.

You can do this on each form or create a "master" or "config" form that
can be hidden. Add an IsSharepointData property to the form(s) and set
the text box Visible to it's value:

Public Property Get IsSharepointData() As Boolean
Dim blnReturn As Boolean
    
    blnReturn = 1 = 1
    IsSharepointData = blnReturn
End Property

Private Sub Form_Load()
    Me.txtSharepoint.Visible = Me.IsSharepointData
End Sub

If you use the master form technique your reference won't be to Me but
to Forms("MyMasterForm").IsSharepointData.

Hope that makes sense.

Jim D. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

Thats the idea Jim. Its for a demo I am giving on SharePoint.Get the
feeling this is over complicated?
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 20:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



How about another suggestion from left field?  One question first: As
each form opens you need to determine whether or not the data in that
form comes from Sharepoint? Then you'll show/hide the text box? (OK 2
questions)


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a
condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need
to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true
then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if
the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477


________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  7 15:18:11 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:18:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forms
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447E5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820DF@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Does indeed
 
Will try it out now and let you know how it goes.
 
Martin
 
 
 
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Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 21:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Maybe.  Check this solution out and see if it works.

You can do this on each form or create a "master" or "config" form that
can be hidden. Add an IsSharepointData property to the form(s) and set
the text box Visible to it's value:

Public Property Get IsSharepointData() As Boolean
Dim blnReturn As Boolean
   
    blnReturn = 1 = 1
    IsSharepointData = blnReturn
End Property

Private Sub Form_Load()
    Me.txtSharepoint.Visible = Me.IsSharepointData
End Sub

If you use the master form technique your reference won't be to Me but
to Forms("MyMasterForm").IsSharepointData.

Hope that makes sense.

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

Thats the idea Jim. Its for a demo I am giving on SharePoint.Get the
feeling this is over complicated?

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477


________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 20:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



How about another suggestion from left field?  One question first: As
each form opens you need to determine whether or not the data in that
form comes from Sharepoint? Then you'll show/hide the text box? (OK 2
questions)


Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms

More or less. I have a text box on every form in the database. If a
condition is true then I want to see the text box. So I figured I need
to set a global and then test it on the on open of each form. If true
then box is visible if not well leave it alone. The text box shows if
the records come from SharePoint. Simply says SharePoint Data.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477


________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Fri 07/04/2006 19:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Forms



Martin,

These are text boxes on multiple forms that you want to show/hide at one
time based on criteria?  I could conceive of using a collection (or
maybe custom collection class) to hold all refences to the text boxes.
Store it in a global variable and loop through it whenever the condition
is true.

Code might look like:

g_ocoll.Add txtMyTextBox
 If condition = True then
   for i = 1 to g_oColl.Count
      g_oColl.Item(i).Visible = True
   Next i
 end if

Does that make any sense?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Forms

I havea text box set to visable no on many forms. I want to set them all
to visible if a condition is true for the application Cant seem to work
out how to do this from a single point.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

tel: 02890 974477




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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Apr  7 16:11:24 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:11:24 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0604051529n18e502cdq2e6f9941c51f8e2b@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <00101736F13D774F88C54058CB2663C8483C02@celebration.sierranevada.corp>
	<b874372a0604051529n18e502cdq2e6f9941c51f8e2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060408090841.01b31c00@dalyn.co.nz>

Dear all,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn 
up to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old 
one - too much late night/early morning programming).

Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a 
sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging 
that was going on during the operation).

Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.

David

At 6/04/2006, you wrote:
>If this is a very busy table you can generally use table hints to
>prevent locking the table, and is generally very fast, simplay add a
>WITH(NOLOCK) at the end of your table names (not variable tables).
>
>
>On 4/5/06, David Lewis <DavidL at sierranevada.com> wrote:
> > Well, there is a lot there to begin to look through...
> >
> > One thing that sticks out is the
> >
> > "SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT"   in the underlying view.  Remove that and the
> > "ORDER BY" clause and you will do much to streamline the execution of
> > the view.  Also consider making as many of the queries covered as
> > possible by either adding indexes or removing columns from the views
> > that are not needed in the final query.
> >
> > I am not very experienced with streamline execution plans by optimizing
> > joins, but I do try to read what comes my way and I have read that all
> > joins are NOT created equal.  Because your joins are relatively complex,
> > it may be that there is much to do in that area.  When I find a good
> > reference I will pass it on...
> >
> > D. Lewis
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 16:44:28 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:44:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <E1FRx1f-0000Ss-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0IXD00ESDGD8URA0@l-daemon>

Thank you all for your suggestions. 

I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
project go if there is no agreement 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 16:53:14 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:53:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A47@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Jim,

I would suggest that if you do any business with this character, you
make sure you have his wet signature on a binding document.  Even then,
I think you're in for trouble if you take this one one. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Thank you all for your suggestions. 

I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let
the project go if there is no agreement 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to
present a list of the best prices... a good idea. We had previously
agreed on principle but had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
the company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
two 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour
but felt that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar
code again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross
profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Apr  7 17:01:15 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:01:15 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEA@main2.marlow.com>

Sounds about right.  Is there a specific reason to stay with the Access 2003
format?  If you save it as an Access 2000 database, it's backwards
compatible for several versions (until you hit Access 97).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 4:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?

Drew & Charlotte,

Thank you for your replies.  I was thinking that was probably the case but 
didn't have all the details.

Just to clarify, Drew, these are the steps as I understand them from your 
post:

1. Package Wizard the runtime without any files and put Setup.exe and \files

folder (but not the autorun.inf) on a CD (maybe in a \Setup folder?).
2. On the same CD, put the frontend *.mde and the backend *.mdb.
3. Send the CD to the potential client with instructions that
    a. if they have ACC03 installed to just double clicck on the *.mde file 
(the frontend) on the CD.
    b. if they don't have ACC03 (or maybe ACC03 runtime for some other 
reason), then they should double click on Setup.exe on the CD and after the 
setup wizard completes, double clcik on the *.mde file.

Note: My frontend automatically looks for the backend and if it can't find 
it, it prompts the user to locate it and then relinks.  It actually writes a

registry entry itself for the path to the backend as a default for the next 
time when I send an updated front end.

Will that work or should I put the frontend and backend together for the 
demo, do you think?

What happens if they have an earlier version of Access on their machine and 
they run the Setup.exe from my demo CD?  Does it get overwritten by the 03 
Runtime or do they co-exist peacefully and happily?

Penn

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?


> An installation goes to the OS, and whatever drive it's on.  If you
> installed software to a CD, the OS would have to read .dll's from that CD,
> which would be pretty slow.  And, that CD wouldn't 'work' on another
> machine, because that machine's registry wouldn't have the proper 
> settings.
> (When you install software, only certain things go where you say you want 
> it
> installed.  A lot of things are done in the registry and go automatically
> into the Windows/winnt and system32 folder).
>
> Your best option would be to put the application on CD, along with the
> runtime installation.  If the people you are demoing it too have Access
> 2003, then they can just run your demo database.  If they don't have 
> Access,
> then they install the runtime first, then run your demo.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>
> Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that a
> demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the 
> CD
> without installing anything on the user's computer?
>
> The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the C:\
> drive.
>
> And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on their
> computer or even Access 2003?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Penn
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Apr  7 17:06:51 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:06:51 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
	Vi	ews
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEC@main2.marlow.com>

Glad everything went okay.  Charlotte got a replacement a while ago, but she
said USB wasn't available in the new models.....how about now?  They have to
have at least put Bluetooth in these things by now, you can't buy a set of
headphones without Bluetooth options... ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: David Emerson [mailto:newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 4:11 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
Views

Dear all,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn 
up to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old 
one - too much late night/early morning programming).

Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a 
sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging 
that was going on during the operation).

Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.

David

At 6/04/2006, you wrote:
>If this is a very busy table you can generally use table hints to
>prevent locking the table, and is generally very fast, simplay add a
>WITH(NOLOCK) at the end of your table names (not variable tables).
>
>
>On 4/5/06, David Lewis <DavidL at sierranevada.com> wrote:
> > Well, there is a lot there to begin to look through...
> >
> > One thing that sticks out is the
> >
> > "SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT"   in the underlying view.  Remove that and the
> > "ORDER BY" clause and you will do much to streamline the execution of
> > the view.  Also consider making as many of the queries covered as
> > possible by either adding indexes or removing columns from the views
> > that are not needed in the final query.
> >
> > I am not very experienced with streamline execution plans by optimizing
> > joins, but I do try to read what comes my way and I have read that all
> > joins are NOT created equal.  Because your joins are relatively complex,
> > it may be that there is much to do in that area.  When I find a good
> > reference I will pass it on...
> >
> > D. Lewis
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr  7 17:29:54 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 02:29:54 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <E1FRx1f-0000Ss-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001101c65a92$ccd935b0$6501a8c0@Nant>

>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
Jim,

That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He 
most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune 
but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of 
others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his own...

> Folks overseas don't really understand how
> we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)

I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - just 
to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.

Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.

People do business very similarly these days all around the World, 
especially in IT.
The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on the 
East.
But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern 
professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them. 
Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular 
professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom 
software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in 
"embryonic" state here.
They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high 
as there but not bad at all.
And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only 
grows.

The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in average 
in the West Europe as I have seen.
The level of failures in very high.
Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" started 
when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last 
forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it 
what creates demand on low cost IT labor.

I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including 
Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding 
"dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years 
ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. The 
situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still have 
to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living 
level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I 
wanted from this life most of all...

The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for 
projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not 
only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around 
the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they 
are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....

The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour. 
They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this 
(30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because to 
compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual companies 
have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact the 
local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you are 
needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I 
think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...

And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work done 
there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be paid 
your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as 
there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work 
off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the 
current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good enough 
go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...

When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages 
then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers 
leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have 
seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe, 
they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of their 
developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Eric,
>
>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and 
> the
> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand 
> how
> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
> were just trash because of this.
>
>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>
>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>
> Jim.
>
<<< tail skipped >>> 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 17:28:51 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:28:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Sounds like they replaced your leads as well as the unit itself.  I got
off lightly this time, they just unzipped my chest pocket and clipped in
a new pacer, no need to replace any of the wiring.  I felt pretty seedy
for a week, but you will feel much better with a lot of rest ... And no
early morning/late night programming! LOL 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:11 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views

Dear all,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn up
to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old one -
too much late night/early morning programming).

Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a
sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging
that was going on during the operation).

Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.

David

At 6/04/2006, you wrote:
>If this is a very busy table you can generally use table hints to 
>prevent locking the table, and is generally very fast, simplay add a
>WITH(NOLOCK) at the end of your table names (not variable tables).
>
>
>On 4/5/06, David Lewis <DavidL at sierranevada.com> wrote:
> > Well, there is a lot there to begin to look through...
> >
> > One thing that sticks out is the
> >
> > "SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT"   in the underlying view.  Remove that and
the
> > "ORDER BY" clause and you will do much to streamline the execution 
> > of the view.  Also consider making as many of the queries covered as

> > possible by either adding indexes or removing columns from the views

> > that are not needed in the final query.
> >
> > I am not very experienced with streamline execution plans by 
> > optimizing joins, but I do try to read what comes my way and I have 
> > read that all joins are NOT created equal.  Because your joins are 
> > relatively complex, it may be that there is much to do in that area.

> > When I find a good reference I will pass it on...
> >
> > D. Lewis
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr  7 17:33:16 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:33:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance
In-Reply-To: <E1FRwuh-0005pY-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00f301c65a93$447ddf30$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>  I was thinking more in terms of execution speed.  For the example at hand
(and it's not a great example, but you'll get the point), if I have an app
that doesn't need the point size modified ever, then anything that executes
to maintain that feature is just a waste.   Depending on the framework and
what it provides, it can be the difference between a sluggish app and one
that is snappy.

I understand that concern.  What I can tell you though (from extensive
testing) is that it takes under 1/2 millisecond to load an "average" class
instance.  Thus you can load 2000 class instances in under a second.  A lot
of what a class does it does as it loads - modifying how things work etc.

The other thing to understand is that you can, using the same SysVars I have
been discussing, turn on/off functionality, either for the entire FE, or on
a form by form basis.  IOW I can tell the APPLICATION to use date
formatting.  What does this mean?  In order to do date formatting, DAO has
to drill down into the bound recordset and discover the data type for
specific types of controls.  Obviously it only does this for forms that can
possible display a date, which means (in my framework) only text boxes.  The
form has a control scanner.  When the scanner function is called, it checks
whether THIS FORM is supposed to use date formatting.  If so it starts
scanning for controls and loading a class for those controls for which a
class exists (most).  As it discovers TEXT BOXES, it discovers which field
the text box is bound to and drills down to discover the data type.  If the
data type is a date, then it reads the APPLICATION SysVar for date
formatting and plugs it in to the property of that text box.

The point of all this is that yes, the framework (form class and text box
control class) have to do this processing, but it is focused.  ONLY if the
APPLICATION date formatting is turned on and ONLY if this form is supposed
to format dates, and even then only specific controls.  Because I cache all
framework and Application SysVars in a class, accessing one or all of the
variables is virtually instantaneous.

>Frameworks are great and do solve a lot of problems, but I've found that
you need to be very careful not to overbuild.  

What you have to be careful of is that you have switches (SysVars) that
entirely turn on / off the features.  Having an actual framework though
means that the switches are loaded at Init of the application.  I typically
have 50 to 100 Application SysVars and 50-100 Framework SysVars.  The load
time for that is negligible.  As any given form loads, it searches all of
the APPLICATION SysVars for the form's name in the SysVar name.  Again, if
there are 50-100 SysVars, the var names are about 10 - 20 characters long
plus the length of the form name so again, the time to find form specific
SysVars is negligible.  I have a function where I "define" which SysVars are
required for a form.  As I build new form functionality that requires a
SysVar, I go to that function in the form class and "load" that SysVar into
a SysVar collection in the form class itself.  Thus, like the framework
itself, by the time the form finishes loading it has its own private
collection of exactly and only the switches (SysVars) that apply to it.  All
of this kind of processing may sound like it slows things down but in fact
it speeds things up.  SysVars, once loaded by the Framework are never again
loaded from the disk.  Forms look in the framework SysVar collections as
they load.  Code functionality looks in the form's SysVar collection to
determine what the form needs to do.

>Of course the trade-off is that it takes me a little more work to hook
things up.

I don't know what you have to do to hook things in but all I have to do is
turn on / off a SysVar.  Is your method truly just a "little" more work?

At any rate, my purpose is not to "convert the heathens".  I simply find
that having stuff loaded and ready, with "services" available to the
application is a very powerful concept.  There are many people that simply
aren't capable of implementing their own framework, and to them I suggest
learning about libraries and at least do that much.  Classes provide an
additional level of "setup/cleanup/encapsulation" that is very powerful.
Until I actually used them I could not understand why or how I would use
them.  Once I started using them I cannot imagine how I could survive
without them.

I still have modules of course, but any "system" now goes in one or more
classes.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,

<<Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.>>

  I was thinking more in terms of execution speed.  For the example at hand
(and it's not a great example, but you'll get the point), if I have an app
that doesn't need the point size modified ever, then anything that executes
to maintain that feature is just a waste.   Depending on the framework and
what it provides, it can be the difference between a sluggish app and one
that is snappy.

  The general problem with frameworks is that you want to use it on
everything (and there in lies it's power).  But as a result, as you toss in
anything you need now and might need in the future, it just becomes more and
more bloated for each application in general.

  Office is a great example of how that gets out of control; at one point,
something like 90% of the features in office were never used by most people.
That 90% to them was just a waste.  Microsoft combated this to a certain
extent by only installing a limited feature set and having an install on the
fly if it's needed, but they still waste a lot of cycles checking the state
of things.

  Frameworks are great and do solve a lot of problems, but I've found that
you need to be very careful not to overbuild.  In regards to Access, I have
many of the same features that you have, but their in small discrete modules
that I can load into an app as needed, keeping it somewhat light weight.  Of
course the trade-off is that it takes me a little more work to hook things
up.

  With VFP, I use a full blown framework with a truck load of features and
because it is a compiled language, the performance hit isn't that great and
I can get away with it.  But I'd hate to use something like that with
Access.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

Uhhh, yep.  Of course I wasn't trying to solve all of those other problems.
I solved one, then another then another etc.  I started with a simple
library like many developers do.  It was truly only when I finally figured
out Withevents (which REQUIRE classes) and now had a grasp of classes (as
implemented in Access anyway), that the framework really began to happen.

Complexity, yes of course.  Classes, yes of course.  Performance - I will
argue that one since the total time to load all of the classes I mention is
under a second at framework init and well under 1/2 second for all of the
classes for a given form, even complex ones.  What a lot of people don't
know is that the CODE for a class only loads once.  The entire class loads
the first time it is used, and remains in memory after that so it isn't like
if I load a form with 40 controls I have to LOAD the 40 control classes over
and over again. The form class loads once, the combo class loads once, the
text box class loads once, then the VARIABLE/CONSTANT portion is created for
each class instance.

Frameworks are a tool, a very powerful tool, but certainly not a panacea.
OTOH, cutting and pasting code into forms or modules in each FE is no
panacea either.  There are developers out there that only work on a single
FE.  A framework is much less useful there since you don't need to apply the
same functionality to a second application.  For anyone maintaining more
than one application, a "library" is almost a requirement, and a framework
is simply the next (HUGE) step up in functionality.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

John,

  It's only silly to say if your trying to solve all those other problems.
And while a framework does solve a lot of problems, it also creates some of
it's own; performance, complexity, class design, etc

  Frameworks are not the pancrea that everyone believes.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

>No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

LOL, what a silly thing to say.  There are hundreds of reasons to spend
hundreds of hours building a framework, this is just one of them.

Now, answer the question for EXISTING projects.  My answer works for ALL of
my projects because ALL of my projects use my framework.  Not only can I do
this if I want to, I can and do have combo double-click and notinlist event
handling, when forms pop up for my combo double click it can take you to the
exact record that the combo is currently displaying (to edit it for
example).  When handling the NotInList event and popping up a form to add
new data, it can find the control that the typed in data belongs in and
place it in that control so the user does not have to type it over again.  

My forms can have a record combo.  Copy and paste a combo and a text box
onto the form from my template form, bind the control to the autonumber PK
and set the combo's data and the combo will just function as a record
selector, automatically.  

Set a sysvar and change the date format in every text box that needs the
date formatted in a specific manner.  Do the same to set a date mask.  

How about dbl-click to open a calendar, which automatically passes back the
calendar value to whichever text box opened the calendar?  My framework does
that.

Need a form to have automatic OpenArgs parsing and preparation for use?  My
framework has that.  I can open a form (as we discussed in this email group
a few weeks ago) and just pass in Openargs which the opening form
automatically applies to its properties.  Pass in "Allow Edits=True;Allow
Deletions=False;AllowAdditions=False;" as the Openargs when you open a form
and it sets itself up as an edit only form.  Pass in "Data Entry =True,Allow
Edits=True" as the Openargs when you open a form and it sets itself up as a
data entry form.  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  Do YOUR forms allow you to do that?

How about the ability to automatically requery dependent objects when
something changes?  My framework has that.  I can, in ONE line of code per
dependent item, tell combos, forms and lists to be requeried when another
object changes state.    Not only that, but if THAT "dependent" combo has
combos (or forms, or lists) dependent on it's value, they can be requeried
automatically.  Using this functionality, I can if I want to have another
FORM requery itself when OnCurrent of the existing form fires.  ONE LINE OF
CODE to tell the current object that some other object is dependent on it
and to requery that object if the current object changes.  Yep, my framework
does that.

Want to be able to make a form editable by one group of people but not
another group?  How about hide / unhide a command button, tabs on a form or
other controls based on what group (supervisors?) a person belongs to.  My
framework does that.

Ever needed to have information specific to an application displayed on a
report?  Company address / phone / etc?  Application SysVars.  Add a new
SysVar record in the Application SysVar table and it is instantly available
to the application for whatever it needs.  It takes me oh.... About 2
seconds to add a new sysvar.  I know people who add new fields in a table to
do this!!!

HUNDREDS OF REASONS to build a framework.  My framework allows me to do
things in 10 minutes when setting up a form that will take you HOURS for
each and every form you design.  OR... You just don't give your client that
functionality.  

There are those that program the same solution over and over and over and
over (and over) and then there are those that use (at the LEAST) a library
(which is a casterated framework), or if you really want to work
efficiently, you use a framework.  

Sorry, but to say "No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a
framework" displays a huge ignorance of what can be done if you use one.  

And the sad part of that statement is that I do nothing more than anyone
else does really.  I discover a need, I design a solution.  But instead of
placing the solution in the application (if the solution generalizes) I do
it in the class for the object that needs the solution.  DblClick and
NotInList for the combo goes in the combo control class.  I NEEDED THAT, I
designed it ONCE, I placed it in the proper class, and now it is available
to every front end I develop.  I needed SysVars.  I designed a class system
to do that and now I can have none, one or a dozen SysVar tables.  My
framework always has one and my app always has one.  The framework
automatically loads and initializes them on the Framework Init.  And I can
build others for special purposes as needed.

?"No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework"?  I sure
can't think of any reasons to do so,but then I'm not very imaginative.
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Arthur Fuller'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance

There's actually a much simpler way to do this, and it only requires you use
the AutoFormat feature.

Here's the drill:

Design a form with the font and colors and whatever that client1 want, and
then save it as an autoform form design, calling the style  "Client1" (you
do that by selecting AutoFormat from the Format menu and then hit the
'Customize' button.

Then do the same for Client2, design a from to suite that need and save it
as an autoformat style. These form styles are global to Access. You will see
them available in every application you work on.

Now, whenever you want to build a form for Client1 open up their
application, select one of the existing forms, and choose the client1 style
from the AutoFormat dialog. You do this because, having made a choice in the
AutoFormat dialog, that choice becomes the default style that will be used
by the form wizards.

Then when working on Client2's application, do the same thing - select their
style from the Autoformat dialog, and presto, you can build forms to their
liking with the wizards.

No need to spend hundreds of man-hours building a framework! <vbg>

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Default control sizes in advance


Arthur,

>Solutions requested!
>Client A wants 12 point Arial everywhere.
>Client B wants 10 point Times Roman everywhere.

Frameworks and SysVars.

I have not done that specific thing, but since my framework loads a class
for each form instance and each control type, for each instance of that
control type, it would be trivial for the text class to set the font/pitch
etc as the class loads.  That is the framework part.

SysVars say "for this FE make this property this specific value".  In other
words, I can have a SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFont" the value of which is
Ariel, and another SysVar named "CtlTxtBoxFontPitch" the value of which is
12.  The clsFrm would have to be programmed to know about this SysVar, and
load that pair of SysVars,into its SysVar collection (each form class has a
collection to hold SysVars specific to that form), and then the clsCtlTxtBox
would have to ask the form what Font and Pitch to use.

I actually do this kind of thing, and in fact have the ability to have
SysVars specific to a particular form.  I do this by having a generic SysVar
such as CtlTxtBoxFontPitch which is set to 12 in the SysVarTable.  When the
form loads it looks for SysVars with its (the form's) name in the
SysVarName, for example frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch.  Since When the
frmClient loads it scans all the SysVars looking for its name in every
SysVar.  If it finds any it strips its name out and "overrides" the generic
value with the value specific to itself.  Thus while all forms will load
CtlTxtBoxFontPitch and end up with a value of 12, frmClient may simply have
so many controls that it isn't feasible to use a 12 pitch so I can set
frmClientCtlTxtBoxFontPitch to 10 and only frmClient will use a 10 pitch
font.

I actually have this capability set up in my framework (SysVars and the
ability to override them for any specific form). For me it would be almost
trivial to set up to do something like you propose.

I did a similar thing with date formats.  Using DAO I drill down to discover
what type of data is being pulled out (for text boxes specifically).  If the
data type is a date, I have a default date format defined in a SysVar.  Thus
I can set a consistent date format via a sysvar, and if the client wants a
different data format, it is a simple matter of changing a single sysvar.

A framework is a very powerful concept and once set up and functioning can
allow implementation of behaviors that vary from front end to front end and
client to client.  

Sysvars allow the programmer to have "steering logic" in the application.
With default values in the SysVars you can have your applications "just
work" a specific way, and yet easily override that for a specific reason,
even down to the form level if desired.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  7 17:36:00 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:36:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A4A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Shamil,

I don't think anyone intended any criticism or disparagement of
programmers in other countries.  All our ire was poured out on the idiot
who thought he could replace an on-the-spot programmer with someone
several thousand miles away who may not speak the same first language
and then expect the only difference to be price.  That's why we
carefully kept the quotes around "east Indian", since it was obviously
just a category for offshore programming.  With the right specs and good
understanding, there's no reason offshore programmers can't do the  same
quality job as local could.  The gotcha in that is that clients can't
write adequate specs, so they're going to get junk, no matter how much
they pay.

It isn't the offshore competition that threatens us, it's the idiots who
look for bargains without understanding what they're buying.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
Jim,

That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue.
He most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a
fortune but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on
overexploitation of others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave
him to go on his own...

> Folks overseas don't really understand how we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)

I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread -
just to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.

Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.

People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
especially in IT.
The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on
the East.
But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them. 
Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on
custom software development for middle-/small-businesses, which
themselves are in "embryonic" state here.
They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as
high as there but not bad at all.
And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only
grows.

The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in
average in the West Europe as I have seen.
The level of failures in very high.
Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis"
started when the first programming language was created  and it will
probably last forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long
time to solve it what creates demand on low cost IT labor.

I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including
Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding
"dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of
years ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family
well. The situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but
I still have to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep
the same living level as before. And I can't say this "endless working
marathon" is what I wanted from this life most of all...

The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not
only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all
around the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and
Canada - they are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....

The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently
30USD/hour. 
They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this
(30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because
to compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual
companies have to be created and to manage these companies, to
effectively contact the local customers over there experienced managers
and developers like you are needed. There are not that much people like
that there as far as I see - I think you can feel safe, at least while
your economy is growing...

And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work
done there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll
be paid your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the
same as there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to
work off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of
the current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good
enough go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...

When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages
then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy
developers leaving this country in searching for the better life over
there. I have seen/visited such companies here - they state they are
great, well, maybe, they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have
to see the eyes of their developers, many of them are so sad and
hopeless...

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Eric,
>
>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking
and 
> the
> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really
understand 
> how
> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas
that
> were just trash because of this.
>
>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>
>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>
> Jim.
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  7 17:49:58 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:49:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <001101c65a92$ccd935b0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <E1FRzmD-0006rs-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Shamil,

<<> Folks overseas don't really understand how
> we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)>>

  I do believe it is.  I notice differences even here in the US between
North and South and East and West.  I'm not talking about how to keep a set
of books, but about the process by which things get done, how people
perceive things, and how they communicate.  That all affects the process
flow, software design, and development effort.

  This in no way was a put down of anyone.  If I as a developer moved to
India, Russia, or China, outside of the language issues, I would still have
difficulty in working efficiently.

  For example, if developing software for China, how many mistakes would I
make because I read left to right and top to bottom?  My head has been
programmed to work that way over 40 years and it's not something I'd unlearn
overnight. 

  Granted this is all starting to change with a global economy, but there
are still fundamental differences in the way people in different nations get
things done.

  Hiring a developer half way around the world to develop a complex piece of
software in my book is just asking for trouble. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
Jim,

That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He 
most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune 
but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of 
others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his own...

> Folks overseas don't really understand how
> we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)

I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - just

to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.

Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.

People do business very similarly these days all around the World, 
especially in IT.
The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on the

East.
But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern 
professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them. 
Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular 
professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom 
software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in 
"embryonic" state here.
They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high 
as there but not bad at all.
And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only 
grows.

The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in average

in the West Europe as I have seen.
The level of failures in very high.
Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" started

when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last 
forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it 
what creates demand on low cost IT labor.

I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including 
Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding 
"dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years 
ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. The 
situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still have 
to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living 
level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I 
wanted from this life most of all...

The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for 
projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not 
only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around 
the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they 
are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....

The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour. 
They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this 
(30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because to 
compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual companies

have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact the

local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you are 
needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I 
think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...

And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work done 
there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be paid 
your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as 
there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work 
off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the 
current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good enough 
go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...

When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages 
then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers 
leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have 
seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe, 
they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of their 
developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Eric,
>
>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and 
> the
> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand 
> how
> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
> were just trash because of this.
>
>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>
>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>
> Jim.
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr  7 18:06:43 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:06:43 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A4A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004601c65a97$ff9675d0$6501a8c0@Nant>

> It isn't the offshore competition that threatens us, it's the idiots who
> look for bargains without understanding what they're buying.
This is what I meant also, Charlotte.

"Avaricious pays twice" - famous Russian proverb - you should have something
like that there too as far as I may guess.

One of the first Wiseman fairy tails Russian children get acquainted with is
a "Fairy tail about a priest and his worker Balda(Stupidman)" - this is a
poetry fairy tail by A.S.Puskin - it has very good Russian poetic language
etc. - this is a story about a priest who hired Balda to work for him "for
three clicks into his forehead" - the end result was that priest lost his
mind when "executed" by Balda with these three clicks"...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Shamil,
>
> I don't think anyone intended any criticism or disparagement of
> programmers in other countries.  All our ire was poured out on the idiot
> who thought he could replace an on-the-spot programmer with someone
> several thousand miles away who may not speak the same first language
> and then expect the only difference to be price.  That's why we
> carefully kept the quotes around "east Indian", since it was obviously
> just a category for offshore programming.  With the right specs and good
> understanding, there's no reason offshore programmers can't do the  same
> quality job as local could.  The gotcha in that is that clients can't
> write adequate specs, so they're going to get junk, no matter how much
> they pay.
>
> It isn't the offshore competition that threatens us, it's the idiots who
> look for bargains without understanding what they're buying.
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue.
> He most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a
> fortune but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on
> overexploitation of others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave
> him to go on his own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread -
> just to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on
> the East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on
> custom software development for middle-/small-businesses, which
> themselves are in "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as
> high as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in
> average in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis"
> started when the first programming language was created  and it will
> probably last forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long
> time to solve it what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of
> years ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family
> well. The situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but
> I still have to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep
> the same living level as before. And I can't say this "endless working
> marathon" is what I wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all
> around the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and
> Canada - they are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently
> 30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because
> to compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual
> companies have to be created and to manage these companies, to
> effectively contact the local customers over there experienced managers
> and developers like you are needed. There are not that much people like
> that there as far as I see - I think you can feel safe, at least while
> your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work
> done there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll
> be paid your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the
> same as there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to
> work off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of
> the current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good
> enough go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy
> developers leaving this country in searching for the better life over
> there. I have seen/visited such companies here - they state they are
> great, well, maybe, they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have
> to see the eyes of their developers, many of them are so sad and
> hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking
> and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really
> understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas
> that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
> <<< tail skipped >>>
>
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From dajomigo at tpg.com.au  Fri Apr  7 18:30:38 2006
From: dajomigo at tpg.com.au (David & Joanne Gould)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:30:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
References: <009601c658ef$5ee63110$6501a8c0@Nant> <0IXC00I79WT211F0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060408092629.01e56440@mail.tpg.com.au>

Jim

This is not unique to the IT industry. 25 years ago my partner was being 
spun a similar line in freelance editing and publishing for the educational 
and business sectors. The professional association suggested the standard 
ethical response should be "We cannot possibly match those conditions and 
do a good job. Please feel free to accept the other offer. We have no doubt 
that for a short while you will be pleased with the result, however over 
time you will find the high quality and reputation of your business will no 
doubt suffer."

The follow up action would be that the association would advise freelancers 
and contractors of the businesses that accepted such low quotes as an alert 
to business ethics.

Good Luck

David Gould
DG Solutions

At 12:41 AM 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>These are interesting times.
>
>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>had not negotiated a price.
>
>The client presented the young programmer with his position.
>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.
>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
>company.
>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
>that he should try and support local talent.
>
>.. and a rider..
>
>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
>Jim
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr  7 18:55:50 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:55:50 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <E1FRzmD-0006rs-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c65a9e$ce19fca0$6501a8c0@Nant>

> but about the process by which things get done, how people
> perceive things, and how they communicate.  .
Jim,

These processes are becoming more and more similar everywhere - believe me.

> That all affects the process
> flow, software design, and development effort
True, but partially, there are more conceptual things in business processes, 
which are invariant all around the World.
I'm reading here currently Allan Cooper "About Face 2.0" (another his famous 
book "The inmates are running the asylum") - this is a book how modern 
software interfaces should be designed and developed - of course if one 
reads/writes right to left then the software interface should differ in that 
area but that's all probably.

Software like CRM may still differ considerably because local habits and 
behaviors in different places on this small planet are rather different but 
the ways of handling business and software for modern small-/middle- size 
and especially corporate level businesses are quickly getting unified...

> there are still fundamental differences in the way people in different
> nations get things done.
Jim, I think, there is no such fundamental differences - we're very much 
alike, believe me or not.
Communism/totalitarism here and in the countries influenced by it created 
some of still existing current differences in life level.
Colonialism of the 19th and the first part of 20th century created the 
differences we still have between the West and the "free from communistic 
heritage/influence" Latin America, Asia and Africa

When first time on the West in 1995 in Germany (Hamburg) I was so surprised 
how ineffectively they have organized their business, how chaotic, hectic 
and stressful their life is - the first my open question was: "How it comes 
that in this situation they have so high average life level?" - the simple 
answer come from one of my colleague who was originally from Russia and who 
lived in Germany by that time for many years and who had a German by 
nationality wife and kids - he said: "We in Germany have 8% of population 
working hard and effectively, you there in Russia have 4% - these 4% make 
all the difference". I believed him that time and the more I see the more 
I'm getting convinced that he was very true. The current differences are 
historical heritage but this World's countries are very quickly getting 
their 8% of active population working hard and in another 50 years or less 
all the differences in the life level should disappear by the wealth created 
by these 8% of World's active population....

Well, there are some rather important fundamental differences between the 
West and the East workstyles I think:

- Western people rarely start working without (at least rough) planning of 
what they will do and if they plan something then they rather strictly 
follow this plan and "fight till the end" - Eastern people often start and 
go "nowhere" without clear plans, with often changing minds etc;
- another fundamental difference is IMO that Western people do invest 
significant time and resources into environment/business infrastructure even 
before they start the real business - and Eastern people can make their 
business without such preparations and the absence of such preparations 
plays very bad in long run...

And of course the most fundamental difference is that a human being's life 
is "dirt cheap" here and priceless there...

But, once again, software programming for business applications is very much 
alike here and there - this observation comes from my real life experience 
in programming for businesses and in communicating with customers here and 
there....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Shamil,
>
> <<> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)>>
>
>  I do believe it is.  I notice differences even here in the US between
> North and South and East and West.  I'm not talking about how to keep a 
> set
> of books, but about the process by which things get done, how people
> perceive things, and how they communicate.  That all affects the process
> flow, software design, and development effort.
>
>  This in no way was a put down of anyone.  If I as a developer moved to
> India, Russia, or China, outside of the language issues, I would still 
> have
> difficulty in working efficiently.
>
>  For example, if developing software for China, how many mistakes would I
> make because I read left to right and top to bottom?  My head has been
> programmed to work that way over 40 years and it's not something I'd 
> unlearn
> overnight.
>
>  Granted this is all starting to change with a global economy, but there
> are still fundamental differences in the way people in different nations 
> get
> things done.
>
>  Hiring a developer half way around the world to develop a complex piece 
> of
> software in my book is just asking for trouble.
>
> Jim.
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  7 20:31:34 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:31:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <004d01c65a9e$ce19fca0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <44379F16.21178.889ACE5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 8 Apr 2006 at 3:55, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> But, once again, software programming for business applications is very much
> alike here and there - this observation comes from my real life experience
> in programming for businesses and in communicating with customers here and
> there....
> 

There is one fundamental difference between "here" and "there".  The level 
of contact between end users and developers.

If you get the programming done "there", the customer will probably get  
what he asks for.
If you get the programming done "here", the customer is far more likely to 
get what he actually wants/needs - and that is rarely what he asks for :-)





-- 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr  7 21:21:27 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 06:21:27 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <44379F16.21178.889ACE5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000e01c65ab3$25b19a40$6501a8c0@Nant>

> and that is rarely what he asks for :-)
Stuart,

That's the same everywhere - "make me that I don't know what" - this is the 
"mantra" of the customers of all around the World....

...and as all around the World an experienced developer may deliver this 
"something they wish" based on vague customers' requests - the more 
experienced a developer is the least "direct contact there" is needed...

...to deliver "what customers actually need" an experienced developer should 
be able to ask "right" questions to demonstrate customers by their answers 
that what they actually need is not what they were asking for originally...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> On 8 Apr 2006 at 3:55, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>> But, once again, software programming for business applications is very 
>> much
>> alike here and there - this observation comes from my real life 
>> experience
>> in programming for businesses and in communicating with customers here 
>> and
>> there....
>>
>
> There is one fundamental difference between "here" and "there".  The level
> of contact between end users and developers.
>
> If you get the programming done "there", the customer will probably get
> what he asks for.
> If you get the programming done "here", the customer is far more likely to
> get what he actually wants/needs - and that is rarely what he asks for :-)
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 22:18:08 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:18:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <001101c65a92$ccd935b0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <0IXD00CQLVTCW811@l-daemon>

News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the tunnel:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200&en=
d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Jim

PS You may have to log in....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
Jim,

That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He 
most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune 
but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of 
others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his own...

> Folks overseas don't really understand how
> we do business here.
I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)

I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - just

to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.

Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.

People do business very similarly these days all around the World, 
especially in IT.
The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on the

East.
But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern 
professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them. 
Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular 
professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom 
software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in 
"embryonic" state here.
They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high 
as there but not bad at all.
And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only 
grows.

The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in average

in the West Europe as I have seen.
The level of failures in very high.
Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" started

when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last 
forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it 
what creates demand on low cost IT labor.

I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including 
Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding 
"dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years 
ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. The 
situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still have 
to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living 
level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I 
wanted from this life most of all...

The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for 
projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not 
only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around 
the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they 
are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....

The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour. 
They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this 
(30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because to 
compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual companies

have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact the

local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you are 
needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I 
think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...

And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work done 
there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be paid 
your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as 
there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work 
off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the 
current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good enough 
go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...

When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages 
then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers 
leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have 
seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe, 
they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of their 
developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Eric,
>
>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and 
> the
> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand 
> how
> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
> were just trash because of this.
>
>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>
>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>
> Jim.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 22:19:18 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:19:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <0IXD00ESDGD8URA0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <0IXD0008PVVECC71@l-daemon>

Hi All:

Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
'ripped' in a couple of instances.

Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a deal
that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   

Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things in
perspective.

Jim

PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Thank you all for your suggestions. 

I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
project go if there is no agreement 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 23:09:40 2006
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:09:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <E1FRx1f-0000Ss-00@pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c65ac2$42bc4db0$c767a8c0@amdgcda>

Jim,

That wasn't really a serious suggestion...it is Friday after all. :)

I do think that there is a mis-conception that non-US developers don't know
what they are doing and cannot deliver the same quality of software that US
developers can. As a developer it does help if the code is commented but
that is not the most important part of the code for me. Even if the comments
are in English it would still not make a whole lot of sense if the comments
were sparse or if you could not figure out exactly what the comments meant.
Most of the finest programmers after all are not good communicators since
they let the code speak for itself. Of course if your expertise happened to
be VB and you were trying to debug something in C, the difficulty would be
understandable.

The point of course is that each one of us has their level of expectation of
how much it will cost to do business. It just so happens that non-US
developers don't have the same overhead (or the need to maintain a certain
standard of living) as US developers do so they can very well afford the
"cheap rates". For countries whose average daily wage is equivalent to a cup
of Starbucks coffee, $5/hr is really good money. We just need to put things
in perspective.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Eric,

  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and the
culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand how
we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
were just trash because of this.

  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
commented with poor English or even worse, another language?

  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Jim,

Go ahead and tell him you will take on the project for $12.00 an hour and
then go back and have the East Indian programmers work on it for $5.00 per
hour turning in a $7.00 per hour "profit". 

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

These are interesting times. 

Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.

The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
had not negotiated a price.

The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
company.
Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
that he should try and support local talent.

.. and a rider..

The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.

I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.

Jim  

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  7 23:51:32 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:51:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXD0008PVVECC71@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <44374154.3090905@shaw.ca>

Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
have a habit of doing a complete
web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
changes which may prove to be a problem.
Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
methods, like logging in with
a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
you may not be able to see the screen source.
Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
companies like e-Bay provide a free API
to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
or payment based WebService like USPS.
You could be programming against moving goalposts.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>
>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a deal
>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>
>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things in
>perspective.
>
>Jim
>
>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>
>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>project go if there is no agreement 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>These are interesting times. 
>
>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen
>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>had not negotiated a price.
>
>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
>company.
>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt
>that he should try and support local talent.
>
>.. and a rider..
>
>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
>Jim  
>  
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Apr  8 02:33:04 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:33:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXD00CQLVTCW811@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <003201c65ade$c4405db0$6401a8c0@Nant>

>there is light at the end of the tunnel:
Jim,

It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian style 
joke (everybody laughed at it here):

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is 
still lasting and lasting..."

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the tunnel:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200&en=
> d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> Jim
>
> PS You may have to log in....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He
> most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune
> but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of
> others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his 
> own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - 
> just
>
> to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on 
> the
>
> East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom
> software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in
> "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high
> as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in 
> average
>
> in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" 
> started
>
> when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last
> forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it
> what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years
> ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. 
> The
> situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still 
> have
> to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living
> level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I
> wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around
> the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they
> are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because 
> to
> compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual 
> companies
>
> have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact 
> the
>
> local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you 
> are
> needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I
> think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work 
> done
> there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be 
> paid
> your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as
> there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work
> off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the
> current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good 
> enough
> go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers
> leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have
> seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe,
> they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of 
> their
> developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr  8 03:01:25 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:01:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <003201c65ade$c4405db0$6401a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <4437FA75.28886.13AC22@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 8 Apr 2006 at 11:33, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> >there is light at the end of the tunnel:
> Jim,
> 
> It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian style
> joke (everybody laughed at it here):
> 
> "There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is
> still lasting and lasting..."
> 

As long as the light at the end of the tunnel isn't on the front of a train 
coming towards you :-)

-- 
Stuart




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Apr  8 04:52:55 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:52:55 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <4437FA75.28886.13AC22@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <002101c65af2$4755d230$6401a8c0@Nant>

> As long as the light at the end of the tunnel isn't on the front of a 
> train
> coming towards you :-)
Well, for Russia these are more probably the back lights of the leaving 
train - so the situation isn't potentially lethal, if this leaving train 
isn't the last one from the sinking Atlantis...

I have heard that Brazilians say: "We will have a bright future: it was so 
yesterday, it's so today, it will be so tomorrow..." - the same observation 
is still true for Russia...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> On 8 Apr 2006 at 11:33, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>> >there is light at the end of the tunnel:
>> Jim,
>>
>> It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian 
>> style
>> joke (everybody laughed at it here):
>>
>> "There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is
>> still lasting and lasting..."
>>
>
> As long as the light at the end of the tunnel isn't on the front of a 
> train
> coming towards you :-)
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>



From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Sat Apr  8 09:40:34 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:40:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEA@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c65b1a$64f912c0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

I don't know.  I started using Access with version 2003 and I've just 
continued with that.  Also, since the Runtime is version 2003, I wasn't sure 
it would work with earlier versions.

Penn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?


> Sounds about right.  Is there a specific reason to stay with the Access 
> 2003
> format?  If you save it as an Access 2000 database, it's backwards
> compatible for several versions (until you hit Access 97).
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 4:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>
> Drew & Charlotte,
>
> Thank you for your replies.  I was thinking that was probably the case but
> didn't have all the details.
>
> Just to clarify, Drew, these are the steps as I understand them from your
> post:
>
> 1. Package Wizard the runtime without any files and put Setup.exe and 
> \files
>
> folder (but not the autorun.inf) on a CD (maybe in a \Setup folder?).
> 2. On the same CD, put the frontend *.mde and the backend *.mdb.
> 3. Send the CD to the potential client with instructions that
>    a. if they have ACC03 installed to just double clicck on the *.mde file
> (the frontend) on the CD.
>    b. if they don't have ACC03 (or maybe ACC03 runtime for some other
> reason), then they should double click on Setup.exe on the CD and after 
> the
> setup wizard completes, double clcik on the *.mde file.
>
> Note: My frontend automatically looks for the backend and if it can't find
> it, it prompts the user to locate it and then relinks.  It actually writes 
> a
>
> registry entry itself for the path to the backend as a default for the 
> next
> time when I send an updated front end.
>
> Will that work or should I put the frontend and backend together for the
> demo, do you think?
>
> What happens if they have an earlier version of Access on their machine 
> and
> they run the Setup.exe from my demo CD?  Does it get overwritten by the 03
> Runtime or do they co-exist peacefully and happily?
>
> Penn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>
>
>> An installation goes to the OS, and whatever drive it's on.  If you
>> installed software to a CD, the OS would have to read .dll's from that 
>> CD,
>> which would be pretty slow.  And, that CD wouldn't 'work' on another
>> machine, because that machine's registry wouldn't have the proper
>> settings.
>> (When you install software, only certain things go where you say you want
>> it
>> installed.  A lot of things are done in the registry and go automatically
>> into the Windows/winnt and system32 folder).
>>
>> Your best option would be to put the application on CD, along with the
>> runtime installation.  If the people you are demoing it too have Access
>> 2003, then they can just run your demo database.  If they don't have
>> Access,
>> then they install the runtime first, then run your demo.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Penn White [mailto:ecritt1 at alltel.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:10 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Run ACC03 Demo from CD?
>>
>> Does anyone know of a way to put the Access 2003 Runtime on a CD so that 
>> a
>> demo of an Access 2003 application can be put on the CD and run from the
>> CD
>> without installing anything on the user's computer?
>>
>> The Package Wizard only seems to be able to install the Runtime to the 
>> C:\
>> drive.
>>
>> And then what happens if the user already has a version of Access on 
>> their
>> computer or even Access 2003?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Penn
>>
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr  8 16:32:48 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:32:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] reader question
Message-ID: <000501c65b53$fc061cb0$c5b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

 
Does anyone know of a way to add/change the default Access icons for toolbar
buttons? I would love to use something besides the old standby
glasses/running man/arrow icons. I haven't been able to locate the resource
file to try and replace them and haven't been able to come up with an easier
solution.
 
========The above question was in response to an article I wrote on using
menu controls. I don't have an answer -- other than to build a new toolbar
and inhibit the built-in one. 
 
Susan H. 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr  8 19:36:09 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:36:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] reader question
In-Reply-To: <000501c65b53$fc061cb0$c5b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <4438E399.5952.3A25BC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 8 Apr 2006 at 17:32, Susan Harkins wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know of a way to add/change the default Access icons for toolbar
> buttons? I would love to use something besides the old standby
> glasses/running man/arrow icons. I haven't been able to locate the resource
> file to try and replace them and haven't been able to come up with an easier
> solution.
> 

It's actually quite easy:

1. Right click on the toolbar.
2. Select "Customize"
3. Right click on an Icon and you hvae three options:
a. Select "Edit Button Image" and if you are a good enough icon artist, you 
can make it anything you want.
b. Select "Change Button Image" and select one of the predefined  images
c.  Get a suitable image into you clipboard and select "Paste Button Image"

You can always undo any changes to toolbar icons with Reset Button Image

To get a suitable image into your clipboard:
If you have a collection of  icon files,  browse them with Irfanview and 
when you find the one you want, select Edit-Copy (Ctrl C).

If you want to rip an icon from another program, use ResThief to extract 
the images to separate icon files then browse them with Irfanview.

ResThief
http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm (bottom of the page)

Irfanview
http://www.irfanview.com




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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr  8 19:49:50 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:49:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] reader question
In-Reply-To: <4438E399.5952.3A25BC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000601c65b6f$82b56020$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I guess I should mention, I didn't even bother to look... I'm so ashamed. :)


Susan H. 

It's actually quite easy:

1. Right click on the toolbar.
2. Select "Customize"
3. Right click on an Icon and you hvae three options:
a. Select "Edit Button Image" and if you are a good enough icon artist, you
can make it anything you want.
b. Select "Change Button Image" and select one of the predefined  images c.
Get a suitable image into you clipboard and select "Paste Button Image"

You can always undo any changes to toolbar icons with Reset Button Image

To get a suitable image into your clipboard:
If you have a collection of  icon files,  browse them with Irfanview and
when you find the one you want, select Edit-Copy (Ctrl C).

If you want to rip an icon from another program, use ResThief to extract the
images to separate icon files then browse them with Irfanview.

ResThief
http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm (bottom of the page)

Irfanview
http://www.irfanview.com




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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr  8 19:53:41 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:53:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] reader question
In-Reply-To: <000601c65b6f$82b56020$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <000801c65b70$0c2e3f20$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I'm further ashamed to admit that I've actually written about this and used
a freeware icon editor -- but I was working with the minimized windows on
the task bar, not the toolbar -- but I still should've put the two together.
:( 



Susan H. 

I guess I should mention, I didn't even bother to look... I'm so ashamed. :)


It's actually quite easy:

1. Right click on the toolbar.
2. Select "Customize"
3. Right click on an Icon and you hvae three options:
a. Select "Edit Button Image" and if you are a good enough icon artist, you
can make it anything you want.
b. Select "Change Button Image" and select one of the predefined  images c.
Get a suitable image into you clipboard and select "Paste Button Image"

You can always undo any changes to toolbar icons with Reset Button Image

To get a suitable image into your clipboard:
If you have a collection of  icon files,  browse them with Irfanview and
when you find the one you want, select Edit-Copy (Ctrl C).

If you want to rip an icon from another program, use ResThief to extract the
images to separate icon files then browse them with Irfanview.

ResThief
http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm (bottom of the page)

Irfanview
http://www.irfanview.com




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  8 23:10:36 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:10:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <44374154.3090905@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0IXF009XLSWRAEB0@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen scrapping.
This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and maybe
move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed are
ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as possible.

So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would be
more than glad to hear them.

Thanks
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
have a habit of doing a complete
web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
changes which may prove to be a problem.
Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
methods, like logging in with
a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
you may not be able to see the screen source.
Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
companies like e-Bay provide a free API
to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
or payment based WebService like USPS.
You could be programming against moving goalposts.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>
>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
deal
>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>
>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things in
>perspective.
>
>Jim
>
>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>
>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>project go if there is no agreement 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>These are interesting times. 
>
>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
'screen
>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>had not negotiated a price.
>
>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
>company.
>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
felt
>that he should try and support local talent.
>
>.. and a rider..
>
>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
>Jim  
>  
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  8 23:16:57 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:16:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <003201c65ade$c4405db0$6401a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <0IXF0092KT7BAEC0@l-daemon>

Shamil:

...Or there is a saying that; "There is light at the end of the tunnel but
is it a train coming."

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 12:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>there is light at the end of the tunnel:
Jim,

It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian style 
joke (everybody laughed at it here):

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is 
still lasting and lasting..."

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the tunnel:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200&en=
> d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> Jim
>
> PS You may have to log in....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this issue. He
> most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a fortune
> but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on overexploitation of
> others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his 
> own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread - 
> just
>
> to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower on 
> the
>
> East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on custom
> software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves are in
> "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as high
> as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in 
> average
>
> in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" 
> started
>
> when the first programming language was created  and it will probably last
> forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to solve it
> what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans" (including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by  bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of years
> ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family well. 
> The
> situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still 
> have
> to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same living
> level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is what I
> wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all around
> the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada - they
> are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently 30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed because 
> to
> compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual 
> companies
>
> have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively contact 
> the
>
> local customers over there experienced managers and developers like you 
> are
> needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see - I
> think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work 
> done
> there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be 
> paid
> your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same as
> there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work
> off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the
> current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good 
> enough
> go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy developers
> leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I have
> seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well, maybe,
> they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of 
> their
> developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
> <<< tail skipped >>>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Apr  8 23:44:49 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:44:49 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A49@INFOSERVER04.infost
	at.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060409164313.01a59c38@dalyn.co.nz>

Fortunately the leads were ok.  I think the surgeon was a bit rough 
because he was missing out on his lunch hour :-(

At 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>Sounds like they replaced your leads as well as the unit itself.  I got
>off lightly this time, they just unzipped my chest pocket and clipped in
>a new pacer, no need to replace any of the wiring.  I felt pretty seedy
>for a week, but you will feel much better with a lot of rest ... And no
>early morning/late night programming! LOL
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:11 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
>
>Dear all,
>
>Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn up
>to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old one -
>too much late night/early morning programming).
>
>Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a
>sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging
>that was going on during the operation).
>
>Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.
>
>David



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Apr  8 23:47:24 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:47:24 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
 Vi	ews
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEC@main2.marlow.com>
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6DEC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060409164549.01b45480@dalyn.co.nz>

Haven't had a chance to check out the new operating system - just 
hoping I don't see any blue screens of death in front of my eyes 
(Microsoft aren't yet into programming pacemakers are they?)

David

At 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>Glad everything went okay.  Charlotte got a replacement a while ago, but she
>said USB wasn't available in the new models.....how about now?  They have to
>have at least put Bluetooth in these things by now, you can't buy a set of
>headphones without Bluetooth options... ;)
>
>Drew



From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  9 10:23:24 2006
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:23:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
Message-ID: <000b01c65be9$8bcb4560$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection
which makes computer time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on
my various attempts as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net

 



From spikee at oatlandspark.org.uk  Sun Apr  9 10:34:41 2006
From: spikee at oatlandspark.org.uk (Chris Foote (Spike))
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:34:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
In-Reply-To: <000b01c65be9$8bcb4560$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <200604091535.k39FZ4313467@databaseadvisors.com>

Good luck with clearing the infection Joe!

See you back here soon!

Best regards
Chris Foote

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: 09 April 2006 16:23
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection which makes
computer time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on my various
attempts as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  9 14:01:01 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:01:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXF009XLSWRAEB0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <443959ED.2030409@shaw.ca>

Well here are tools that you may have to use, if you get stuck.
TCPTrace, YATT or PcapTrace are essentially tools that log everything 
going back and forth on the wire.
I had to use on an amazon uk bookstore site when they weren't giving me 
enough info
and they were making initial development mistakes. Useful, if they are 
throwing things
like logging or session cookies at you, without telling you.
Simon Fell is generally about 6 months ahead of microsoft, especially 
with SOAP development.
http://www.pocketsoap.com/yatt/

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen scrapping.
>This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
>the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and maybe
>move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
>viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed are
>ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as possible.
>
>So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would be
>more than glad to hear them.
>
>Thanks
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
>have a habit of doing a complete
>web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
>changes which may prove to be a problem.
>Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
>methods, like logging in with
>a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
>you may not be able to see the screen source.
>Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
>companies like e-Bay provide a free API
>to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
>for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
>Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
>or payment based WebService like USPS.
>You could be programming against moving goalposts.
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>>
>>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
>>    
>>
>deal
>  
>
>>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>>
>>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things in
>>perspective.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>>
>>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>>project go if there is no agreement 
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>These are interesting times. 
>>
>>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>>
>>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
>>    
>>
>'screen
>  
>
>>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of
>>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>>had not negotiated a price.
>>
>>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the
>>company.
>>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two
>>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
>>    
>>
>felt
>  
>
>>that he should try and support local talent.
>>
>>.. and a rider..
>>
>>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>>
>>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>>
>>Jim  
>> 
>>
>>    
>>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Apr  9 14:08:41 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:08:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
References: <0IXF009XLSWRAEB0@l-daemon> <443959ED.2030409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820E3@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms where there was none before. Anyone any idea what could be causing this.
 
Happens on almost all forms.
 
Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
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tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  9 14:59:30 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:59:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
In-Reply-To: <000b01c65be9$8bcb4560$6701a8c0@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <0IXH00BK20U64KH0@l-daemon>

Hi Joe:

Sorry to hear that. 

As this is a list you could always have a reader to read list items. (Just a
thought.) 

Rest if you can and we shall look forward to hearing from you soon.

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection
which makes computer time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on
my various attempts as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  9 15:46:49 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:46:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <443959ED.2030409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0IXH0016N311X300@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Thanks for the info. The YATT looks like a great tool. 

Our programmer has a sample site that is working without using a
purchased/rented API. Hopefully the API the client is paying for works as
well and has as much functionality. (Will have to get up to speed in SOAP as
I am still at the functional level with XML; time to hit the W3C pages).

If you have any further thoughts or recommendations it would all be greatly
appreciated.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Well here are tools that you may have to use, if you get stuck.
TCPTrace, YATT or PcapTrace are essentially tools that log everything 
going back and forth on the wire.
I had to use on an amazon uk bookstore site when they weren't giving me 
enough info
and they were making initial development mistakes. Useful, if they are 
throwing things
like logging or session cookies at you, without telling you.
Simon Fell is generally about 6 months ahead of microsoft, especially 
with SOAP development.
http://www.pocketsoap.com/yatt/

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen scrapping.
>This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
>the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and maybe
>move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
>viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed
are
>ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as possible.
>
>So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would be
>more than glad to hear them.
>
>Thanks
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
>have a habit of doing a complete
>web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
>changes which may prove to be a problem.
>Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
>methods, like logging in with
>a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
>you may not be able to see the screen source.
>Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
>companies like e-Bay provide a free API
>to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
>for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
>Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
>or payment based WebService like USPS.
>You could be programming against moving goalposts.
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>>
>>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
>>    
>>
>deal
>  
>
>>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>>
>>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things
in
>>perspective.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>>
>>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>>project go if there is no agreement 
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>These are interesting times. 
>>
>>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>>
>>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
>>    
>>
>'screen
>  
>
>>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list
of
>>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>>had not negotiated a price.
>>
>>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
the
>>company.
>>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
two
>>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
>>    
>>
>felt
>  
>
>>that he should try and support local talent.
>>
>>.. and a rider..
>>
>>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>>
>>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>>
>>Jim  
>> 
>>
>>    
>>

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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Sun Apr  9 17:09:55 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:09:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
In-Reply-To: <200604091535.k39FZ4313467@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20060409221035.QSHN17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Good luck Joe

You're in our prayers

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: 09 April 2006 16:23
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection which makes computer
time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on my various attempts
as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net


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From vchas at comcast.net  Sun Apr  9 20:17:16 2006
From: vchas at comcast.net (Vinnie Chas)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:17:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820E3@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <009c01c65c3c$81c6cb40$014bbd43@flagg>

Hi Martin ,
Check out http://allenbrowne.com/ser-46.html

HTH 
Vinnie Chas
www.vinniechas.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker

All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms where there was
none before. Anyone any idea what could be causing this.
 
Happens on almost all forms.
 
Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 



From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Apr 10 02:11:09 2006
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:11:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on
	Reportbasedon dynamic crosstab query
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A4A51@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <000201c65c71$93958f70$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Ken,
perfect!!! Many thanks for the solution, have a nice week,
    Ervin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ismert" <KIsmert at TexasSystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on 
Reportbasedon dynamic crosstab query


>
> Ervin,
>
> How about something like:
>
>    txtBox1.ControlSource =
> db.QueryDefs("qryCroRealPrPred").Fields(1).Name
>
> -Ken
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Apr 10 06:46:10 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:46:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74034447FB@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Good luck Joe.  See you when you're back. 


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Going off list for a while

Friends,

 

I am going off list for a while. I have an eye infection which makes
computer time very uncomfortable.

 

I want to thank everyone for their help and encouragement on my various
attempts as an Access developer.

 

Joe Hecht

jmhecht at earthlink.net

 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Apr 10 08:24:30 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (bchacc at san.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:24:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
Message-ID: <380-220064110132430125@M2W126.mail2web.com>

Martin:

I got this on tab controls where labels were not associated with text
boxes.  I got the flick as the mouse rolled over the controls.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:08:41 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker


All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms where there
was none before. Anyone any idea what could be causing this.
 
Happens on almost all forms.
 
Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Apr 10 08:26:34 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:26:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
References: <380-220064110132430125@M2W126.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27820F5@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Thanks rocky
 
Am doing major demo and its driving me nuts.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of bchacc at san.rr.com
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 14:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Screen Flicker



Martin:

I got this on tab controls where labels were not associated with text
boxes.  I got the flick as the mouse rolled over the controls.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:08:41 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker


All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms where there
was none before. Anyone any idea what could be causing this.

Happens on almost all forms.

Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.


Martin

Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 10 08:35:00 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:35:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <000b01c65ca3$91e868f0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Apr 10 08:46:11 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:46:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8B089@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Have you tried going into the Device manager and asking it to scan for new
hardware? Just a long shot.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter


I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From marcus at tsstech.com  Mon Apr 10 09:31:45 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:31:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A27@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that
mode. Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program
provided by the manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the
middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue
and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I
could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the
device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that
to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows
all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new
drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 10 11:08:14 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:08:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
	Vi	ews
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A61@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

What?  You haven't downloaded your service pack yet?? LOL 


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and
Vi ews

Haven't had a chance to check out the new operating system - just hoping
I don't see any blue screens of death in front of my eyes (Microsoft
aren't yet into programming pacemakers are they?)

David

At 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>Glad everything went okay.  Charlotte got a replacement a while ago, 
>but she said USB wasn't available in the new models.....how about now?

>They have to have at least put Bluetooth in these things by now, you 
>can't buy a set of headphones without Bluetooth options... ;)
>
>Drew

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 10 11:16:08 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:16:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A62@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Over here, the light at the end of a tunnel is quite often an oncoming
train! 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 12:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>there is light at the end of the tunnel:
Jim,

It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian
style joke (everybody laughed at it here):

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is
still lasting and lasting..."

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the
tunnel:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200
&en=
> d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> Jim
>
> PS You may have to log in....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this
issue. He
> most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a
fortune
> but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on
overexploitation of
> others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his 
> own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread
- 
> just
>
> to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower
on 
> the
>
> East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on
custom
> software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves
are in
> "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as
high
> as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and
only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in 
> average
>
> in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" 
> started
>
> when the first programming language was created  and it will probably
last
> forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to
solve it
> what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans"
(including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by
bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of
years
> ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family
well. 
> The
> situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still

> have
> to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same
living
> level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is
what I
> wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are
not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all
around
> the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada -
they
> are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently
30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt
this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed
because 
> to
> compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual 
> companies
>
> have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively
contact 
> the
>
> local customers over there experienced managers and developers like
you 
> are
> needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see
- I
> think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work

> done
> there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be

> paid
> your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same
as
> there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work
> off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the
> current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good 
> enough
> go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low
wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy
developers
> leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I
have
> seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well,
maybe,
> they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of 
> their
> developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking
and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really
understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas
that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
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From MEC at stowers-institute.org  Mon Apr 10 11:28:15 2006
From: MEC at stowers-institute.org (Cook, Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:28:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
Message-ID: <CED81D34E37D5043A1211565277A51E504D2DE8A@exchkc02.stowers-institute.org>

do youhave conditional formatting turned on? 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
>Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:09 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Screen Flicker
>
>All of a sudden I am seeing a lot of screen flicker on forms 
>where there was none before. Anyone any idea what could be 
>causing this.
> 
>Happens on almost all forms.
> 
>Access 2000 mdb running in Access 2003.
> 
> 
>Martin
> 
>Martin WP Reid
>Training and Assessment Unit
>Riddle Hall
>Belfast
> 
>tel: 02890 974477
> 
> 
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 10 11:29:48 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:29:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000b01c65ca3$91e868f0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXI0093PLSMBA10@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Is your video card built onto the mother board? The most popular video
drivers used with both in ASUS and GIGABYTE, amount others, is the
all-in-one NVIDIA driver set. You can just cross-reference your mother board
on line and download the entire superset at
http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp. The whole installation is
auto-detect and straight-forward.

HTH
Jim
  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 10 12:35:20 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXH0016N311X300@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <443A9758.8070007@shaw.ca>

Take this with the caveat, I have not touched any SOAP in six months.
Whether this stuff below may cause you problems, I don't know
but here is what you may run into.

If you are going to do anything complex in SOAP, you are going to have 
to make a design decision.
You could use VB6 and/or  Access with SOAP but the Microsoft SOAP 
Toolkit that made it easier
 at one time has been deprecated by the .NET Framework.  July 2004
Maybe MS force play to use .Net. Access 2003 Web Services will generally 
work with
the MS .Net Servers of WebServices and build the proper proxy SOAP classes
but it may get into problems on Web Services  built with say Java and 
Apache.
This is what I don't know.  It is generally referred  to as the "SOAP 
Interop" problem.
If you run into it, here is a possible workaround.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/webservices/building/soaptk/default.aspx

I could once write basic SOAP xml and throw it at a WSDL file through 
Access but it has become
more complicated. What I did about two years ago was use open source 
PocketSoap Toolkit and
then the WSDL Wizard for PocketSOAP 2.3.0 to run from Access 97.
http://www.pocketsoap.com/wsdl/wsdl2.aspx

The wizard contains support for generating proxies for rpc/encoded and 
document/literal services,
complexTypes and custom serializers for those types are constructued 
from the WSDL and XSD schema information.
The proxy object is generated in form of a VB6 project, I just grab the 
classes into Access 2003.
You can also put into a COM dll and call that.

So your choice maybe use Access/VB with Pocket Soap or other 3'd party 
toolkit or go to .Net or gasp Java.

One of the major problems I had was with so called "SOAP Interop", Web 
servers like Apache and Tomcat
had completely different ideas on the SOAP standard. I think it is 
finally straightened out but ...

One problem being by default Web Services built with ASP.NET, default to 
a style of SOAP called document/literal.
PocketSOAP by default uses a different style of SOAP called RPC/Encoded 
as does Apache/Tomcat based ones.
You can either switch your ASP.NET service to RPC/Encoded mode by using 
the SoapRpcMethod attribute,
or alternatively, you can alter your PocketSOAP code to use 
document/literal style mess.

The Linux servers Web Services had all sorts of weird stuff that 
consequently got into problems when people
started using the Soap Standards Section 5 encoding model, including 
arrays, sparse arrays, partial arrays,
unsized arrays, nil's, complex types and simple types. ie things like 
passing VB6 objects or binary jpegs.
This wasn't touched upon in the first years of SOAP.
This doesn't touch other quirks, like in HTTP 1.1 transport including 
support for
SSL, proxy servers, basic authentication, proxy server authentication, 
redirects,
 session cookies and compression.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Thanks for the info. The YATT looks like a great tool. 
>
>Our programmer has a sample site that is working without using a
>purchased/rented API. Hopefully the API the client is paying for works as
>well and has as much functionality. (Will have to get up to speed in SOAP as
>I am still at the functional level with XML; time to hit the W3C pages).
>
>If you have any further thoughts or recommendations it would all be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:01 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Well here are tools that you may have to use, if you get stuck.
>TCPTrace, YATT or PcapTrace are essentially tools that log everything 
>going back and forth on the wire.
>I had to use on an amazon uk bookstore site when they weren't giving me 
>enough info
>and they were making initial development mistakes. Useful, if they are 
>throwing things
>like logging or session cookies at you, without telling you.
>Simon Fell is generally about 6 months ahead of microsoft, especially 
>with SOAP development.
>http://www.pocketsoap.com/yatt/
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen scrapping.
>>This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
>>the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and maybe
>>move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
>>viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed
>>    
>>
>are
>  
>
>>ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as possible.
>>
>>So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would be
>>more than glad to hear them.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Jim 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
>>have a habit of doing a complete
>>web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
>>changes which may prove to be a problem.
>>Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
>>methods, like logging in with
>>a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
>>you may not be able to see the screen source.
>>Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
>>companies like e-Bay provide a free API
>>to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
>>for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
>>Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
>>or payment based WebService like USPS.
>>You could be programming against moving goalposts.
>>
>>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi All:
>>>
>>>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>>>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
>>>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>>>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>>>
>>>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>deal
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>>>
>>>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things
>>>      
>>>
>in
>  
>
>>>perspective.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>>
>>>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>>>
>>>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
>>>project go if there is no agreement 
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>>
>>>These are interesting times. 
>>>
>>>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>>>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>>>
>>>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>'screen
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list
>>>      
>>>
>of
>  
>
>>>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>>>had not negotiated a price.
>>>
>>>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>>>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>>>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
>>>      
>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>company.
>>>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
>>>      
>>>
>two
>  
>
>>>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>felt
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>that he should try and support local talent.
>>>
>>>.. and a rider..
>>>
>>>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>>>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>>>
>>>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>>>
>>>Jim  
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>

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From max at sherman.org.uk  Mon Apr 10 13:48:52 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:48:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWZt4UlhGRNs4nf35oT6aQk7yIA
Message-ID: <000001c65ccf$6ac2e120$dd6b1152@Max>

And here it means "I see a light at the end of the tunnel, but it always
turns out to be a man with a torch coming to give me more work..."

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 10 April 2006 17:16
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Over here, the light at the end of a tunnel is quite often an oncoming
train! 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 12:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

>there is light at the end of the tunnel:
Jim,

It's Friday there - just yesterday  I have occasionally heard Russian
style joke (everybody laughed at it here):

"There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel, &(^$%&^%, is
still lasting and lasting..."

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> News articles like this show that there is light at the end of the
tunnel:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?hp&ex=1144123200
&en=
> d181ebfb30f96ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
> Jim
>
> PS You may have to log in....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
> Jim,
>
> That's in my opinion a correct/the best for you solution of this
issue. He
> most probably go bankrupt soon. It may happen also he will make a
fortune
> but he will never feel lucky from this fortune made on
overexploitation of
> others. So the correct Wiseman solution is to leave him to go on his 
> own...
>
>> Folks overseas don't really understand how
>> we do business here.
> I'm sorry - this is not correct statement, Jim :)
>
> I have been silently watching the first set of answers on this thread
- 
> just
>
> to get the common context on this issue existing overthere.
>
> Folks it's biased, this context and the common opinion, believe me.
>
> People do business very similarly these days all around the World,
> especially in IT.
> The only difference are the hourly rates/wages, which are still lower
on 
> the
>
> East.
> But they are also growing very quickly here and e.g. in many modern
> professions they are as high as on the West or nearing to them.
> Unfortunately software development here is not one of the popular
> professions. This is because there is no yet high market demand on
custom
> software development for middle-/small-businesses, which themselves
are in
> "embryonic" state here.
> They should "wake up" soon when Russia enters WTO.
> A developer's day cost for big companies here is ~800USD/day - not as
high
> as there but not bad at all.
> And this market exists for big players here for quite some time and
only
> grows.
>
> The effectiveness of the design and programming work is quite low in 
> average
>
> in the West Europe as I have seen.
> The level of failures in very high.
> Everybody knows that this "ever lasting software development crisis" 
> started
>
> when the first programming language was created  and it will probably
last
> forever. And this is this crisis and inability for a long time to
solve it
> what creates demand on low cost IT labor.
>
> I here have many times these "east Indians", "east Europeans"
(including
> Russians of course) crossing my road, stealing my customers by
bidding
> "dirt cheap" etc. As the result I lost almost all hopes a couple of
years
> ago to find well paid projects to live here and to keep my family
well. 
> The
> situation changed to the better now, I have some good work but I still

> have
> to work as twice as I worked five years ago just to keep the same
living
> level as before. And I can't say this "endless working marathon" is
what I
> wanted from this life most of all...
>
> The situation was that bad here that I even started to try to bid for
> projects on RentACoder - and I have soon found that "dirt cheap" are
not
> only "east Indians" - these are folks (young programmers) from all
around
> the World, many of them are from the West Europe and US and Canada -
they
> are also going bidding lower than USD10/hour....
>
> The civilized overseas programming average rates are currently
30USD/hour.
> They were higher, around USD 50/hour on year 2000 eve. But I doubt
this
> (30USD/hour) relatively low rate will leave you there unemployed
because 
> to
> compete effectively worldwide, worldwide effective real or virtual 
> companies
>
> have to be created and to manage these companies, to effectively
contact 
> the
>
> local customers over there experienced managers and developers like
you 
> are
> needed. There are not that much people like that there as far as I see
- I
> think you can feel safe, at least while your economy is growing...
>
> And there is so much programming work here - when you'll have all work

> done
> there ( :) )  then we will have a lot of it here for you and you'll be

> paid
> your usual rates because the rates here will be by that time the same
as
> there and you will not need to go live here - you'll be able to work
> off-shore as well as I can do it now because of the high level of the
> current communication technlogy and because my qualification is good 
> enough
> go compete worldwide without even leaving my home/office...
>
> When the companies here go "dirt cheap", pay their programmers low
wages
> then they have very high level of "work force leakage", unhappy
developers
> leaving this country in searching for the better life over there. I
have
> seen/visited such companies here - they state they are great, well,
maybe,
> they develop not bad software - but, boy, you have to see the eyes of 
> their
> developers, many of them are so sad and hopeless...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>  I won't do that.  The problem with that setup is that the thinking
and
>> the
>> culture are just too different.  Folks overseas don't really
understand
>> how
>> we do business here.  I've seen way too many apps developed overseas
that
>> were just trash because of this.
>>
>>  And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program
>> commented with poor English or even worse, another language?
>>
>>  I'd say to that fellow best of luck....
>>
>> Jim.
>>
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 10 16:39:43 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:39:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1FC8B089@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c65ce7$48ba2f80$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yep, nothing found

:( 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Have you tried going into the Device manager and asking it to scan for new
hardware? Just a long shot.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter


I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 10 16:43:27 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:43:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A27@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <002f01c65ce7$cda792f0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode. Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.  It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 10 17:16:42 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:16:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Academia still using Card Indexes
Message-ID: <443B65EA.29702.795E05C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

"Makes you think. And one thing it makes me think is that there are still 
unexplored opportunities for database specialists out there."

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/04/10/henslow_darwin_sqlserver/

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 10 17:53:01 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:53:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Academia still using Card Indexes
In-Reply-To: <443B65EA.29702.795E05C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0IXJ0018M3JBONH0@l-daemon>

Hi Stuart:

Seems so.

Jim

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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Academia still using Card Indexes

"Makes you think. And one thing it makes me think is that there are still 
unexplored opportunities for database specialists out there."

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/04/10/henslow_darwin_sqlserver/

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Apr 10 19:06:35 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:06:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
References: <0IXD0008PVVECC71@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <00e501c65cfb$cd4c1560$6601a8c0@office>

With the greatest of respect to you Jim, I would still be worried about 
working with someone who could even contemplate going with a distant 
programmer who speaks another native language. There is so much in that that 
would concern me....

I wish you luck....
Kath



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost


> Hi All:
>
> Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
> out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us can
> live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
> 'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>
> Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a 
> deal
> that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.
>
> Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things 
> in
> perspective.
>
> Jim
>
> PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
> Thank you all for your suggestions.
>
> I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let the
> project go if there is no agreement
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
> These are interesting times.
>
> Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
> client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>
> The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 
> 'screen
> scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list 
> of
> the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
> had not negotiated a price.
>
> The client presented the young programmer with his position.
> First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.
> Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through 
> the
> company.
> Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had 
> two
> 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but 
> felt
> that he should try and support local talent.
>
> .. and a rider..
>
> The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
> again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>
> I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>
> Jim
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 10 19:47:38 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:47:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Academia still using Card Indexes
References: <443B65EA.29702.795E05C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <443AFCAA.1010108@shaw.ca>

I had a chuckle about this.

"These days, wed photograph the plants and store them in an electronic 
database as an extended datatype (although whether recreating the 
database from a set of CDs in a box in a cupboard some 150 years later 
would be as feasible as recreating Henslows work is moot). But perhaps 
we wouldnt."

Well, I once had to look at early 19'th century legal records that had 
to be entered into a database that were contained
in tin boxes in the dungeons of an old fort on St Lucia in the Caribbean.
It turned out the dungeons were old slave pens and the tin boxes to keep 
the rats from eating them.
I was very careful examining them and carried a large flashlight and hammer.

By the way it was Captain Beaufort (of wind scale fame) who asked 
Henslow for someone
to accompany the Beagle's expedition.


Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>"Makes you think. And one thing it makes me think is that there are still 
>unexplored opportunities for database specialists out there."
>
>http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/04/10/henslow_darwin_sqlserver/
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Apr 10 21:43:26 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:43:26 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Optimizing Stored Procedures and Views
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0604071441g4a08da14q19bb054a7596c95f@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <00101736F13D774F88C54058CB2663C8483C02@celebration.sierranevada.corp>
	<b874372a0604051529n18e502cdq2e6f9941c51f8e2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060408090841.01b31c00@dalyn.co.nz>
	<b874372a0604071441g4a08da14q19bb054a7596c95f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060411144125.01a71bf8@dalyn.co.nz>

Dear All,

The problem was solved by storing the data from the view that caused 
the problem into a temporary table, then basing the main procedure on 
the new table.

Thanks all for your help.

David

At 8/04/2006, you wrote:
>Yikes,
>    This query was tough on you.  I hope you get better soon!
>
>On 4/7/06, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Thanks for all your suggestions.  I was given 18 hours notice to turn
> > up to our hospital for a pacemaker replacement (I wore out the old
> > one - too much late night/early morning programming).
> >
> > Operation successful but I feel as if someone hit my shoulder with a
> > sledgehammer (which they well might have done considering the banging
> > that was going on during the operation).
> >
> > Hope to be back on deck next week to follow up the suggestions.
> >
> > David
> >
> > At 6/04/2006, you wrote:
> > >If this is a very busy table you can generally use table hints to
> > >prevent locking the table, and is generally very fast, simplay add a
> > >WITH(NOLOCK) at the end of your table names (not variable tables).
> > >
> > >
> > >On 4/5/06, David Lewis <DavidL at sierranevada.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, there is a lot there to begin to look through...
> > > >
> > > > One thing that sticks out is the
> > > >
> > > > "SELECT TOP 100 PERCENT"   in the underlying view.  Remove that and the
> > > > "ORDER BY" clause and you will do much to streamline the execution of
> > > > the view.  Also consider making as many of the queries covered as
> > > > possible by either adding indexes or removing columns from the views
> > > > that are not needed in the final query.
> > > >
> > > > I am not very experienced with streamline execution plans by optimizing
> > > > joins, but I do try to read what comes my way and I have read that all
> > > > joins are NOT created equal.  Because your joins are 
> relatively complex,
> > > > it may be that there is much to do in that area.  When I find a good
> > > > reference I will pass it on...
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
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From viner at EUnet.yu  Tue Apr 11 04:03:14 2006
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:03:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on
	Reportbasedon dynamic crosstab query
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4A4A51@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <001001c65d46$f19b2b90$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Hi,
Ken's solution(code in the Open event of the report) was good yesterday, but 
today I do some modification in code for report header and he's solution 
doesn't work yet. After a couple of hours of pulling my hair out I'll kindly 
ask if somebody want my demo to check my 15-20 of lines of VBA code...
Thanks in advance,
    Ervin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ismert" <KIsmert at TexasSystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Assign a control source for the control on 
Reportbasedon dynamic crosstab query


>
> Ervin,
>
> How about something like:
>
>    txtBox1.ControlSource =
> db.QueryDefs("qryCroRealPrPred").Fields(1).Name
>
> -Ken
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From marcus at tsstech.com  Tue Apr 11 06:15:51 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:15:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A2C@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to
run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display
Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will
be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or
something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that
mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by
the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the
middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue
and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I
could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the
device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that
to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows
all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new
drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 07:01:29 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:01:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A2C@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <003801c65d5f$ab8404b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 07:53:13 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <BAY114-F27AD6CE82550A8B744C3799ACD0@phx.gbl>

I'm trying to trim my dataset in Access so that I drop the top 10% of the 
data as well as the bottom 10% of the data so that I can get rid of 
extraneous values that may skew the results.  I know that in excel, I can 
use the trimmean function to do this.

Can't find an equivalent in Access.  Any Suggestions?



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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr 11 08:13:20 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:13:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403444AA5@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Julie,

I don't know if Access has a function like that but I believe you can
always add a reference to Excel and use those built-in functions from
Access.


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access

I'm trying to trim my dataset in Access so that I drop the top 10% of
the data as well as the bottom 10% of the data so that I can get rid of
extraneous values that may skew the results.  I know that in excel, I
can use the trimmean function to do this.

Can't find an equivalent in Access.  Any Suggestions?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 08:21:53 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:21:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1354@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Well there may be more elegant ways, but you can do this with two queries.
The first one sorts ascending on the appropriate field(s) and you set it to
return the top 90%. Then you use this query as the data source for the
second query. It sorts descending and you set it to return the top 91% which
should leave you with the middle 90% sample.

HTH

Lambert

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Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access


I'm trying to trim my dataset in Access so that I drop the top 10% of the 
data as well as the bottom 10% of the data so that I can get rid of 
extraneous values that may skew the results.  I know that in excel, I can 
use the trimmean function to do this.

Can't find an equivalent in Access.  Any Suggestions?



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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 08:31:48 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:31:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1354@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F26F299DF1C8D62A33EA62D9ACD0@phx.gbl>

Thank you Lambert and Jim.   I was trying to use aggregate functions similar 
to the following formula that I have used in the past in Excel:

=(SUM(A1:A5)-MIN(A1:A5)-MAX(A1:A5))/MAX(1,COUNT(A1:A5)-2)

and was having some trouble with getting the system to do what I need.

Thank you for your help.  Thought maybe there was a function that I didn't 
know about.

Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
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From JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov  Tue Apr 11 09:15:46 2006
From: JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov (JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:15:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <003801c65d5f$ab8404b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <OF637624A9.F5B76B27-ON8625714D.004DC17F-8625714D.004E284D@ci.lincoln.ne.us>


I missed the beginning of this thread so I assume that you have a display
adapter built into the motherboard.  If you have a CD for the motherboard,
it's setup program will allow you to configure the display adapter.  It
should then show up in Device Manager.

Hope that helps.

Jim Hicks




                                                                           
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Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Apr 11 09:17:10 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:17:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D13BE@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

On further thinking about this, if you go the two query route then you
should of specify that you want the top 88% in the second query which will
leave you with the middle 80% of the whole data set.

Lambert

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access


Thank you Lambert and Jim.   I was trying to use aggregate functions similar

to the following formula that I have used in the past in Excel:

=(SUM(A1:A5)-MIN(A1:A5)-MAX(A1:A5))/MAX(1,COUNT(A1:A5)-2)

and was having some trouble with getting the system to do what I need.

Thank you for your help.  Thought maybe there was a function that I didn't 
know about.

Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 09:31:04 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:31:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <OF637624A9.F5B76B27-ON8625714D.004DC17F-8625714D.004E284D@ci.lincoln.ne.us>
Message-ID: <004c01c65d74$92004ac0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

It does, I do and it doesn't.  The setup errors out telling me to first set
up the adapter in VGA mode.  There IS NO ADAPTER visible and modifiable in
Windows and therefore I can't do anything to it.  Since I can't even see the
display adapter, I can't set it up in VGA mode, and the setup just fails.

John W. Colby
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JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter


I missed the beginning of this thread so I assume that you have a display
adapter built into the motherboard.  If you have a CD for the motherboard,
it's setup program will allow you to configure the display adapter.  It
should then show up in Device Manager.

Hope that helps.

Jim Hicks




                                                                           
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Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 09:45:02 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:45:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D13BE@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F132D5B31578A1FF8555D059ACD0@phx.gbl>

Hi Lambert,

What is your thinking on this?  Can you explain?



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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Apr 11 09:45:53 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:45:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Developer looking for Work
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C67E@dewey.Symphony.local>

 
The discussion on the per-unit-cost thread reminded me that we had a
superb Access developer on staff the last couple of years whose first
language was Chinese.  She came here to get her master's degree while
her husband was here getting his PhD.  All the cultural/language issues
that we had were of the fun comparative practices type; her written
English is beautiful, and she can work through difficult code and
explain to you what she did more clearly than anyone else we've had here
in the last 6 years.  

Anyway, her husband finished up his degree last falll and got a job in
California, so we have lost her, as her visa status won't allow her to
work for a Minnesota company and live in California.  

In California, however, she hasn't found work.  So if anyone is looking
for a cracker-jack developer out there, contact me off-list for more
information.

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400




From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Apr 11 09:51:37 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:51:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C740355628D@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

There's no direct translation in Access for those range references.
You'd have to use the Excel Object Model to get at your data.


Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access

Thank you Lambert and Jim.   I was trying to use aggregate functions
similar 
to the following formula that I have used in the past in Excel:

=(SUM(A1:A5)-MIN(A1:A5)-MAX(A1:A5))/MAX(1,COUNT(A1:A5)-2)

and was having some trouble with getting the system to do what I need.

Thank you for your help.  Thought maybe there was a function that I
didn't know about.

Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 09:56:15 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:56:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D140E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Well I'll try. :-)

Say you have exactly 100 records, so your goal is to get the middle 80
records in your result.

The first query returns the "top 90%" of the data, so it should be sorted in
ascending order so that the query will return records 1 to 90.

Then you use that query as the input to the second query. The second query
sorts in descending order (90, 89, 88...) and its Top property is set to
88%, which should give you a result of records 90 to 11.  Why 88% ? Well the
first query returns 90% of the original records and you need to lose the
bottom 10 records which is 10/90% which is roughly 11.11%. By trying it out,
if the second query returns 89% or records you get 81 out of the original
100, but if you set it to 88% you will get 80 records.

HTH

Lambert

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Hi Lambert,

What is your thinking on this?  Can you explain?



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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 10:07:13 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:07:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D140E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F2249B0B4B8A5D825E69AB69ACD0@phx.gbl>

okay.  Not to comlicate this further, but I'm really looking for 80% of the 
data for each subset within a recordset.  The query that you describe works 
great on all of the data in the database, but what I really need is to 
divide the data into subsets(there are 52 of them) and then take 80% of the 
data for subset1, subset2, subset3, subset4, subset5, etc.

Does that make sense?



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 10:18:04 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:18:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1423@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Makes sense. If you want to do this with queries then I'd suggest using much
the same approach. The difference would be that you need a code loop to
modify the first query so that it selects just the nth subset of those 52
subsets (weekly data?) of the whole data set and then run the second query
on it, which will give you 80% of the subset. Repeat for each subset. The
only other thing to do would be to make the seconds query an append query so
you can accumulate your results in a temporary table.

Lambert


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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access


okay.  Not to comlicate this further, but I'm really looking for 80% of the 
data for each subset within a recordset.  The query that you describe works 
great on all of the data in the database, but what I really need is to 
divide the data into subsets(there are 52 of them) and then take 80% of the 
data for subset1, subset2, subset3, subset4, subset5, etc.

Does that make sense?



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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 10:22:23 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:22:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data
Message-ID: <004e01c65d7b$bc6fc540$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Does anyone have code for exporting an ADO recordset to comma delimited,
complete with header (if desired), quoting of data if the data contains
commas etc?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 11 10:24:13 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:24:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A7B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Forgive a dumb question, but if there is no display adapter, what is
handling the display?? 


Charlotte Foust

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because
there is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to
run it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display
Adapter is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display
adapter" will be there, and when you expand it there will be an
exclamation mark or something saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that
mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by
the manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the
middle, it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked
continue and when it was finished it came up with a "non-native"
adapter, i.e. I could only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no
"display adapter" in the device manager.  Just not there at all, which
means I can't go in through that to install the correct drivers.  When I
go in through the desktop, it shows all kinds of conflicts for hardware
and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 10:26:17 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:26:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1423@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
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Excellent idea Lambert.  I think that I will accumulate it into a table.



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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 10:38:46 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:38:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1423@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F366F6D0D996E574FD5CF4F9ACD0@phx.gbl>

Just one more question, Lambert.  It looks as though the data values are 
being reduced by the percentage that I use in the "top values" box.

What I want is to take the top 10% of the data in the subset and the bottom 
10% of the data in the subset and throw it away.  That is what the trimmean 
funciton does in Excel.  It allows you to exclude a percentage of data so 
that it doesn't skew your results.

I'm not sure that what you are describing is doing this.  It looks like it 
is recalculaing the values in my recordset by the percentage that I place in 
the "top Values" box at the top of the qbe grid.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 11 10:51:01 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:51:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A80@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You're not using an export spec? 


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data

Does anyone have code for exporting an ADO recordset to comma delimited,
complete with header (if desired), quoting of data if the data contains
commas etc?

John W. Colby
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 10:55:33 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:55:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <003801c65d5f$ab8404b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <025a01c65d80$5dfbd4e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 11:00:52 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:00:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D1489@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

No that should not be happening. Here's some sample SQL

SELECT TOP [90 ] PERCENT num FROM SomeTable ORDER BY num;

This take the table "SomeTable", sorts it by the numeric field "num" and
returns the top 90%. No calculations are preformed on the data in the table.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access


Just one more question, Lambert.  It looks as though the data values are 
being reduced by the percentage that I use in the "top values" box.

What I want is to take the top 10% of the data in the subset and the bottom 
10% of the data in the subset and throw it away.  That is what the trimmean 
funciton does in Excel.  It allows you to exclude a percentage of data so 
that it doesn't skew your results.

I'm not sure that what you are describing is doing this.  It looks like it 
is recalculaing the values in my recordset by the percentage that I place in

the "top Values" box at the top of the qbe grid.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 11 11:02:50 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:02:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

John,

Here's an ancient bit from my early ADO days for creating a tab
delimited file with optional fieldnames.  You can probably adapt it, but
don't expect it to be terribly elegant because it was written based on
ADO 2.1 and I was fumbling my way through it. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data

Does anyone have code for exporting an ADO recordset to comma delimited,
complete with header (if desired), quoting of data if the data contains
commas etc?

John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 11:05:55 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:05:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A7B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005c01c65d81$d18d4aa0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, you tell me!!!  If you go to the desktop and go in through that dialog
box, under the adapter tab it shows "unknown" for chip type, DAC, Memory
Size, Adapter string and bios info.  Click on Adapter and it shows VGA
Display controller - non-plug and play drivers, unknown manufacturer,
unknown location.  Service name VGASave, Display name VGA Display
Controller.  Resources show conflicts in the memory and IO range.

And it is SLOW as hell!.  You can watch the screen repaint as you scroll up
and down in documents etc.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Forgive a dumb question, but if there is no display adapter, what is
handling the display?? 


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native"
adapter, i.e. I could only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display
adapter" in the device manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't
go in through that to install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the
desktop, it shows all kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me
to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 11 11:25:29 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:25:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A85@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 Oops!  I suppose it would have helped if I had remembered to paste the
code in! LOL


Charlotte

'**** Code Begins **********
Public Function CreateTextFileFromRST(ByVal strOutputTblNm As String, _
                              ByVal strLinkSpec As String, _
                              ByRef rst As ADODB.Recordset, _
                              Optional blnOverwrite As Boolean = True, _
                              Optional blnFieldNames As Boolean = True)
As Boolean
  'Author:  Charlotte Foust
  'Created: 7/3/2001
  'modified 7/5/2001 - added code to write fieldnames to file
  'Based on CreateTextFile by Charlotte Foust

  'requires reference to Microsoft Scripting Library
  'SCRRUN.DLL for early binding of FileSystemObject
  'A reference to Microsoft Office 9.0 object library
  'will work with late binding

 'Creates tab delimited text file from table or query then links file.
 'Used to replace temporary tables and reduce bloat.

  On Error GoTo Proc_err
  Dim varItem As Variant
  Dim strOutputFile As String
  Dim strTempTblNm As String
  Dim intPosition As Integer        'holds result of instr() function
  Dim varFields As Variant
  Dim varLines As Variant
  Dim intFldCount As Integer
  Dim lngRecords As Long
  Dim intLoop As Integer
  Dim intIndex As Integer
  Dim blnContinue As Boolean
  Dim intCmdType As Integer         'holds commandtype constant
  Dim fld As ADODB.Field              'holds each ADO field object
  Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection   'holds ADO connection object
  Dim errsCnn As ADODB.Errors     'holds ADO Errors collection
  Dim errCurr As ADODB.Error        'holds each ADO error
  Dim objFS As FileSystemObject   'holds FileSystemObject
  Dim objTxtStream As TextStream  'holds TextStream object
  
  'instantiate the objects
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  Set errsCnn = cnn.Errors
  
  'make sure the output file name has a txt extension
  intPosition = InStr(strOutputTblNm, ".")
  If intPosition = 0 Then
  
    strTempTblNm = strOutputTblNm
    strOutputTblNm = strOutputTblNm & ".txt"
  Else 'intPosition = 0
  
    strTempTblNm = Left(strOutputTblNm, intPosition - 1)
    strOutputTblNm = Left(strOutputTblNm, intPosition) & "txt"
  End If 'intPosition = 0
  
  'create the full path and temp file name
  'if only a filename was passed
  If InStr(strOutputTblNm, "\") = 0 Then
    strOutputFile = CurrentProject.path & "\" & strOutputTblNm
  Else
    strOutputFile = strOutputTblNm
  End If 'InStr(strOutputTblNm, "\") = 0
  
  'delete the old temp file
  On Error Resume Next
  Kill strOutputFile
  
  On Error GoTo Proc_err
  
  With rst
    If .EOF Then
      'there are no records to process
      'so the routine will exit
      lngRecords = 0
    Else '.EOF
      blnContinue = True
      'get the recordcount
      .MoveLast
      lngRecords = .RecordCount
      .MoveFirst
      'set up the array to hold the
      'field values
      intFldCount = .Fields.Count
      
      intLoop = 0
      'dim the array depending on whether
      'fieldnames are being included
      If Not blnFieldNames Then
        ReDim varLines(lngRecords - 1)
      Else 'If Not blnFieldNames
        ReDim varLines(lngRecords)
        
        'create a "field names" record for the file
        'put each field name into a string array
         varFields = Null
        Set fld = Nothing
        
        For Each fld In .Fields
          'add the field value to a semicolon
          'delimited string of values
          varFields = varFields & fld.name & ";"
        Next fld
        
        'strip off the last semicolon
        varFields = Left(varFields, Len(varFields) - 1)
        
        'convert the string to an array based
        'on the semicolon delimiter.
        varFields = Split(varFields, ";")
        'turn the array into a tab delimited string
        'and assign it to a single element of the line array
        varLines(intLoop) = Join(varFields, Chr(9))
        intLoop = intLoop + 1
      End If 'Not blnFieldNames
      
      'add the records to the array
      Do
        'put the data from each field into
        'a string then put the string
        'into an array
        varFields = Null
        Set fld = Nothing
        
        For Each fld In .Fields
          varItem = fld.Value
          If Not IsNull(varItem) Then
            'strip out any non-printing characters
            
            'remove the vbNewLine/vbCr character chr(13)
            If InStr(CStr(varItem), vbCr) > 0 Then
              varItem = Replace(CStr(varItem), vbCr, ", ")
            End If 'InStr(CStr(varItem), vbCr) > 0
            
            'remove the vbLf character chr(10)
            If InStr(CStr(varItem), vbLf) > 0 Then
              varItem = Replace(CStr(varItem), vbLf, ", ")
            End If 'InStr(CStr(varItem), vbLf) > 0
          End If 'Not IsNull(varItem)
            
         'add the field value to a semicolon
         'delimited string of values
          varFields = varFields & varItem & ";"
        Next fld
        'strip off the last semicolon
        varFields = Left(varFields, Len(varFields) - 1)
        'convert the string to an array based
        'on the semicolon delimiter.  This gets
        'around fields than contain commas
        varFields = Split(varFields, ";")
        'turn the array into a tab delimited string
        'and assign it to a single element of the line array
        varLines(intLoop) = Join(varFields, Chr(9))
        'go to the next record
        intLoop = intLoop + 1
        .MoveNext
      Loop Until .EOF
    End If '.EOF
  End With 'rst
    
  'clean up object variables
  Set fld = Nothing
  rst.Close
  Set rst = Nothing
  
  If blnContinue Then
  
    'create a FileSystemObject
    Set objFS = CreateObject("scripting.filesystemobject")
    
    'create a TextStream Object to handle output
    Set objTxtStream = objFS.CreateTextFile(strOutputFile, blnOverwrite)
    
    'loop through the Lines array and
    'write each line to the TextStream object
    For intLoop = 0 To UBound(varLines)
      objTxtStream.WriteLine varLines(intLoop)
    Next intLoop
    objTxtStream.Close
  End If 'blnContinue
  
  If lngRecords = 0 Then
    MsgBox "There were no records to write to the specified file."
  End If 'lngRecords = 0
  
Proc_exit:
  On Error Resume Next
  'clean up object variables
  Set objTxtStream = Nothing
  Set objFS = Nothing
  Set fld = Nothing
  rst.Close
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set errsCnn = Nothing
  Set errCurr = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  CreateTextFileFromRST = blnContinue
  Exit Function
Proc_err:
  If errsCnn.Count > 0 Then
    For Each errCurr In errsCnn
      MsgBox errCurr.Number & "--" & errCurr.Description & vbCrLf _
              & CurrentProject.name & ".CreateTextFile"
    Next errCurr
    errsCnn.Clear
  End If
  If Err <> 0 Then
    MsgBox Err.Number & "--" & Err.Description
  End If
  blnContinue = False
  Resume Proc_exit
End Function 'CreateTextFileFromRST(ByVal strOutputTblNm As String, _
                              ByVal strLinkSpec As String, _
                              ByRef rst As ADODB.Recordset, _
                              Optional blnOverwrite As Boolean = True)
As Boolean
'**** Code Ends **********

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data

John,

Here's an ancient bit from my early ADO days for creating a tab
delimited file with optional fieldnames.  You can probably adapt it, but
don't expect it to be terribly elegant because it was written based on
ADO 2.1 and I was fumbling my way through it. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting comma delimited data

Does anyone have code for exporting an ADO recordset to comma delimited,
complete with header (if desired), quoting of data if the data contains
commas etc?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 11:30:46 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:30:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <003801c65d5f$ab8404b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXK008D1GI75Z20@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Did "safe mode" work?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I actually found the driver disk from the manufacturer.  When I try to run
it, it says something about setting the adapter to VGA mode.
Unfortunately
there is nothing available to change.

Normally you go to My Computer / properties / Hardware / device manager.
It
will then display a list of hardware on the computer.  The Display Adapter
is one of many things.  Even if it is wrong, the "display adapter" will be
there, and when you expand it there will be an exclamation mark or something
saying that you have the wrong driver.

In my case, the entire adapter is missing, just NOT there.  Which means
there is nothing to select to update the driver for.

I have never run into this before.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

Check for the adapter in "safe mode" and update the drivers in that mode.
Have you tried to install the drivers via the setup program provided by the
manufacturer?

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter

I had to "repair" my windows installation a few weeks ago.  In the middle,
it asked for a video driver which I did not have.  I clicked continue and
when it was finished it came up with a "non-native" adapter, i.e. I could
only get 1024x768.  Worse, there is now no "display adapter" in the device
manager.  Just not there at all, which means I can't go in through that to
install the correct drivers.  When I go in through the desktop, it shows all
kinds of conflicts for hardware and doesn't allow me to install new drivers.

How the heck do I repair this mess?

John W. Colby
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Apr 11 11:33:15 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:33:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <005c01c65d81$d18d4aa0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5A7B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005c01c65d81$d18d4aa0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604110933i68187c12of7862da8c35d358@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps you should try a second Repair Install of Windows. You said
you found the device driver disk now right?  Sounds like it can't get
much worse anyway.

GK

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> LOL, you tell me!!!  If you go to the desktop and go in through that dialog
> box, under the adapter tab it shows "unknown" for chip type, DAC, Memory
> Size, Adapter string and bios info.  Click on Adapter and it shows VGA
> Display controller - non-plug and play drivers, unknown manufacturer,
> unknown location.  Service name VGASave, Display name VGA Display
> Controller.  Resources show conflicts in the memory and IO range.
>
> And it is SLOW as hell!.  You can watch the screen repaint as you scroll up
> and down in documents etc.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 12:06:28 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:06:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <0IXK008D1GI75Z20@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <006301c65d8a$46eee850$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 12:08:41 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:08:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950604110933i68187c12of7862da8c35d358@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401c65d8a$95bb7c00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Perhaps you should try a second Repair Install of Windows. You said you
found the device driver disk now right?  Sounds like it can't get much worse
anyway.

GK

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> LOL, you tell me!!!  If you go to the desktop and go in through that 
> dialog box, under the adapter tab it shows "unknown" for chip type, 
> DAC, Memory Size, Adapter string and bios info.  Click on Adapter and 
> it shows VGA Display controller - non-plug and play drivers, unknown 
> manufacturer, unknown location.  Service name VGASave, Display name 
> VGA Display Controller.  Resources show conflicts in the memory and IO
range.
>
> And it is SLOW as hell!.  You can watch the screen repaint as you 
> scroll up and down in documents etc.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 12:10:39 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:10:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <025a01c65d80$5dfbd4e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <006501c65d8a$dc3245b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

In fact I stumbled on this and no, it isn't there either.  Ordinarily there
will be a "Display adapter" tree, under which will be SOMETHING, even if it
is disabled due to conflicts.  That entire tree is missing.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.

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From Robin at rolledgold.net  Tue Apr 11 12:07:03 2006
From: Robin at rolledgold.net (Robin )
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:07:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <560E2B80EC8F624B93A87B943B7A9CD54A3C64@rgiserv.rg.local>

John,
What happens if you right click on the desktop -  select properties -
select the settings tab - go to advanced - select driver .....?
Rgds
Robin Lawrence



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 18:11
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter


In fact I stumbled on this and no, it isn't there either.  Ordinarily
there will be a "Display adapter" tree, under which will be SOMETHING,
even if it is disabled due to conflicts.  That entire tree is missing.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because
there is no display adapter.

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 12:23:13 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:23:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006501c65d8a$dc3245b0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001c01c65d8c$9dc18d70$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

In this case if it is showing it would be under the Non-Plug and Play tree
though. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In fact I stumbled on this and no, it isn't there either.  Ordinarily there
will be a "Display adapter" tree, under which will be SOMETHING, even if it
is disabled due to conflicts.  That entire tree is missing.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 12:30:56 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:30:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <560E2B80EC8F624B93A87B943B7A9CD54A3C64@rgiserv.rg.local>
Message-ID: <006a01c65d8d$b18c1f40$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Been there, done that.  Nothing that allows me to update the driver. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robin 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,
What happens if you right click on the desktop -  select properties - select
the settings tab - go to advanced - select driver .....?
Rgds
Robin Lawrence



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 18:11
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter


In fact I stumbled on this and no, it isn't there either.  Ordinarily there
will be a "Display adapter" tree, under which will be SOMETHING, even if it
is disabled due to conflicts.  That entire tree is missing.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

In Hardware Manager try this: View | Show Hidden Devices.

This is where hardware items are listed that don't have plug and play
drivers. Is your video adapter listed there?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Nope.  I can't get at the display adapter, even in safe mode, because there
is no display adapter.

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 12:33:33 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:33:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006401c65d8a$95bb7c00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <003601c65d8e$0fbbc160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

But John, if you get a new hard drive then you will have to do all that PITA
stuff also - right?

I don't understand the new hard drive aspect - or did I miss something?

You could just as well reinstall XP from scratch on the old harddrive rather
than using the repair option.

I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what I did to resolve the issue I had
with the video driver problem. It sounds like it was exactly what your
dealing with. It could have even been on a laptop. I know the solution
wasn't anything so drastic but I didn't document it :o(

If you can wait, I'll bet it comes to me at 3:00AM tomorrow morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Tue Apr 11 12:54:28 2006
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:54:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically add chart to Access 97 report
Message-ID: <00a001c65d90$fab9eb40$0b00a8c0@desktop>

I need to programmatically (VBA) add a line chart/ graph to an Access 97 report from data contained in a table.

Does anyone know of any "canned code" to accomplish this?  I found code to modify graphs in Access 97 and to create charts in Access 2000+, but had no luck finding how to actually create one in A97.

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 13:02:30 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:02:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F366F6D0D996E574FD5CF4F9ACD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F33B8C3719867ECF6829070D2CD0@phx.gbl>


Julie,

For some reason posts like this intrigue me...but my results aren't always 
pretty...I think I have what you described.  The trick is getting VBA in 
access to do exactly what the function in excel does...
1.  Count records
2.  multiply by your percent
3.  rounds DOWN to number divisible by 2.
4.  divides by 2
5.  takes this number of records off the top and bottom
6.  averages the rest

for example:  (from the EXCEL help)

TRIMMEAN(array,percent)
Array   is the array or range of values to trim and average.

Percent   is the fractional number of data points to exclude from the 
calculation. For example, if percent = 0.2, 4 points are trimmed from a data 
set of 20 points (20 x 0.2), 2 from the top and 2 from the bottom of the 
set.

Remarks

?If percent < 0 or percent > 1, TRIMMEAN returns the #NUM! error value.
?TRIMMEAN rounds the number of excluded data points down to the nearest 
multiple of 2. If percent = 0.1, 10 percent of 30 data points equals 3 
points. For symmetry, TRIMMEAN excludes a single value from the top and 
bottom of the data set.

Below is what I came up with to mimic this logic:  I used a table with 3 
fields containing...Record ID, some number, Name(subcategory)...so I could 
get the MEAN for grouped by Name.
**************************************
Dim Per
Per = 0.2
Dim db As Database
Set db = CurrentDb()
    Dim GroupRst As Recordset
    Set GroupRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT Table1.Name FROM Table1 GROUP BY 
Table1.Name;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
    Dim GroupName As Field
    Set GroupName = GroupRst!Name
    Do Until GroupRst.EOF
        Dim MyRst As Recordset
        Set MyRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT Table1.id, Table1.Field1, 
Table1.Name FROM Table1 WHERE (((Table1.Name) = '" & GroupName & "')) ORDER 
BY Table1.Field1;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
        Dim List As Field
        Set List = MyRst!Field1
        Dim Counter
        Counter = MyRst.RecordCount
        Dim Trim
        Dim MaxTrim
        Dim Div
        If InStr(1, Int(Counter * Per) / 2, ".") = 0 Then
            Trim = Int(Counter * Per) / 2
            MaxTrim = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) / 2 + 1
            Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per)
        Else
            Trim = (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2
            MaxTrim = Counter - (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2 + 1
            Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) + 1
        End If
        Dim ListSum
        ListSum = 0
        Dim Num
        Num = 0
        Do Until MyRst.EOF
        Num = Num + 1
        If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then
            ListSum = ListSum + List
        Else
        ListSum = ListSum
        End If
        MyRst.MoveNext
        Loop
        MsgBox "The TRIMMEAN for " & GroupName & "is " & ListSum / Div
    GroupRst.MoveNext
    Loop
*******************************************

I hope this helps.  Please let me know if you have any questions...or I can 
send a sample db offline.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 13:31:36 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:31:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <003601c65d8e$0fbbc160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000c01c65d96$2d4c71e0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I can reinstall from scratch, however I like to save my old hard drive,
simply because there is always something that didn't get saved and whatever
it is, it is the most critical thing on your hard disk.  Thus it is nice to
be able to xcopy or otherwise "ghost" the entire hard disk out or... Just
use a new hard drive.

Doing a clean windows install is NOT a trivial task.  I have encryption
software (drivers) for mounting encrypted drives, mapped to specific drive
locations, Office 2k, XP and 2003, SQL Server, Norton AV (which I JUST
purchased), and all the millions of other things that get installed along
the way over a three year period.

This is my dev machine and it will take me several days to get back to work,
in fact I may be forced to move all my work over to a desktop machine while
I do this.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

But John, if you get a new hard drive then you will have to do all that PITA
stuff also - right?

I don't understand the new hard drive aspect - or did I miss something?

You could just as well reinstall XP from scratch on the old harddrive rather
than using the repair option.

I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what I did to resolve the issue I had
with the video driver problem. It sounds like it was exactly what your
dealing with. It could have even been on a laptop. I know the solution
wasn't anything so drastic but I didn't document it :o(

If you can wait, I'll bet it comes to me at 3:00AM tomorrow morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


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From ralphb at cwgsy.net  Tue Apr 11 13:31:51 2006
From: ralphb at cwgsy.net (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:31:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006a01c65d8d$b18c1f40$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000c01c65d96$3388aab0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than 
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

Ralph Bryce




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 11 13:52:51 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:52:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D154E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

John,

If this machine is running windows XP then have you tried restoring your
system to where it was before you hit the problem?  From the On-Line
Help....

"To access the System Restore Wizard, click Start, and then click Help and
Support. Click Performance and Maintenance, click Using System Restore to
undo changes, and then click Run the System Restore Wizard. 
Creating a restore point can be useful any time you anticipate making
changes to your computer that are risky or might make your computer
unstable. 
To view or to return to this restore point, from the Welcome to System
Restore screen of the System Restore Wizard select Restore my computer to an
earlier time. Then select the date when the restore point was created from
the calendar in the Select a Restore Point screen. All of the restore points
that were created on the selected date are listed by name in the list box to
the right of the calendar". 

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter


I can reinstall from scratch, however I like to save my old hard drive,
simply because there is always something that didn't get saved and whatever
it is, it is the most critical thing on your hard disk.  Thus it is nice to
be able to xcopy or otherwise "ghost" the entire hard disk out or... Just
use a new hard drive.

Doing a clean windows install is NOT a trivial task.  I have encryption
software (drivers) for mounting encrypted drives, mapped to specific drive
locations, Office 2k, XP and 2003, SQL Server, Norton AV (which I JUST
purchased), and all the millions of other things that get installed along
the way over a three year period.

This is my dev machine and it will take me several days to get back to work,
in fact I may be forced to move all my work over to a desktop machine while
I do this.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

But John, if you get a new hard drive then you will have to do all that PITA
stuff also - right?

I don't understand the new hard drive aspect - or did I miss something?

You could just as well reinstall XP from scratch on the old harddrive rather
than using the repair option.

I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what I did to resolve the issue I had
with the video driver problem. It sounds like it was exactly what your
dealing with. It could have even been on a laptop. I know the solution
wasn't anything so drastic but I didn't document it :o(

If you can wait, I'll bet it comes to me at 3:00AM tomorrow morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


John W. Colby
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From marcus at tsstech.com  Tue Apr 11 14:37:35 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:37:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A31@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

John,

First, I have to admit that I haven't followed all the posts since my
last post. Did anyone suggest doing a repair install? You can do this
and all your programs should be fine, you will have to do the Windows
Update thing though.

To do the repair install, follow the directions at this site...

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm


Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for
WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display
adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built?
In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup.
Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 14:50:57 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:50:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000c01c65d96$3388aab0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>
Message-ID: <000701c65da1$4106cb80$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Man, this thing is nice.  Lots of info.  It sees my physical display adapter
(pci/agp video), but it does not see a windows video.  


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 15:11:20 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:11:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <001c01c65d8c$9dc18d70$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <00d701c65da4$1a0a2510$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Did you try to boot into safe mode and remove the device/drivers?

Also you mentioned you just bought NAV - have you installed it yet? NAV
2005/2006 have been a royal PITA for me.




From ralphb at cwgsy.net  Tue Apr 11 15:19:07 2006
From: ralphb at cwgsy.net (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:19:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000701c65da1$4106cb80$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001601c65da5$31dd46d0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>

John

Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?
Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?
Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

If not, what make of machine is it?

Ralph Bryce 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 20:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Man, this thing is nice.  Lots of info.  It sees my physical display adapter
(pci/agp video), but it does not see a windows video.  


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

Ralph Bryce


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 15:33:38 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:33:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D154E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000301c65da7$38739ba0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Unfortunately they do not go back far enough. 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John,

If this machine is running windows XP then have you tried restoring your
system to where it was before you hit the problem?  From the On-Line
Help....

"To access the System Restore Wizard, click Start, and then click Help and
Support. Click Performance and Maintenance, click Using System Restore to
undo changes, and then click Run the System Restore Wizard. 
Creating a restore point can be useful any time you anticipate making
changes to your computer that are risky or might make your computer
unstable. 
To view or to return to this restore point, from the Welcome to System
Restore screen of the System Restore Wizard select Restore my computer to an
earlier time. Then select the date when the restore point was created from
the calendar in the Select a Restore Point screen. All of the restore points
that were created on the selected date are listed by name in the list box to
the right of the calendar". 

Lambert



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Apr 11 15:32:23 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:32:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6EE8@main2.marlow.com>

I've only been perusing this thread.  JC, is this a laptop or a desktop?  If
it's a desktop, why not just toss a different video card and ignore the one
on the motherboard.  (It's a setting in your bios, to disable the onboard
video....actually, that could be your problem too, if the bios thinks you
should be using PCI, and your OS is trying to use an onboard AGP).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

I can reinstall from scratch, however I like to save my old hard drive,
simply because there is always something that didn't get saved and whatever
it is, it is the most critical thing on your hard disk.  Thus it is nice to
be able to xcopy or otherwise "ghost" the entire hard disk out or... Just
use a new hard drive.

Doing a clean windows install is NOT a trivial task.  I have encryption
software (drivers) for mounting encrypted drives, mapped to specific drive
locations, Office 2k, XP and 2003, SQL Server, Norton AV (which I JUST
purchased), and all the millions of other things that get installed along
the way over a three year period.

This is my dev machine and it will take me several days to get back to work,
in fact I may be forced to move all my work over to a desktop machine while
I do this.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

But John, if you get a new hard drive then you will have to do all that PITA
stuff also - right?

I don't understand the new hard drive aspect - or did I miss something?

You could just as well reinstall XP from scratch on the old harddrive rather
than using the repair option.

I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what I did to resolve the issue I had
with the video driver problem. It sounds like it was exactly what your
dealing with. It could have even been on a laptop. I know the solution
wasn't anything so drastic but I didn't document it :o(

If you can wait, I'll bet it comes to me at 3:00AM tomorrow morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, that is my last gasp effort before buying a new hard disk and
rebuilding the system.

Repairing a Windows install is what I did before and it was a PITA, with the
typical issues - 2 hours to do the install (!!!!!), have to call Microsoft
to get a new key because the network isn't initialized at that point, etc.
etc. 


John W. Colby
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 15:41:21 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006301c65d8a$46eee850$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXK004FPS3U9TF0@l-daemon>

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 15:45:03 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:45:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <001601c65da5$31dd46d0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>
Message-ID: <000401c65da8$cf9b7b00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?

Nope

>Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?

Yep

>Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

Yep.

This is an Emachines laptop which has been functioning fine (for 2 years
now) until I had a problem with NAV not updating it's virus defs.  In the
process of attempting to uninstall that, Windows itself got hosed.  I
performed a "repair" of Windows which hosed the display adapter.  Things are
going down hill.  

In fact the system is ALMOST back to normal, except for the fact that the
video adapter is entirely missing to Windows (and every other program /
utility).  Windows is using some "emergency" graphics adapter AFAICT which
limits me to 800x600 and 1024 x 768 modes.  In fact if I disable THAT
emergency adapter, windows boots up entirely with NOTHING displayed - a
terrifying experience.  Makes me understand how a blind person (who could
once see) must feel.  Anyway, my native mode graphics is 1600 x 1200 IIRC,
and the 1024x768 mode is just ugly - blurry, horrid fonts etc.  

But I cannot get any graphics drivers to install because somehow Windows
"lost" the "graphics adapter" section of the hardware tree, and therefore
the graphics drivers installation programs can't figure out what to do with
the drivers, and just refuse to install.  

So far I have spent probably 40 hours uninstalling NAV (about 6 times before
finally getting a good install) and repairing my windows, then trying to get
these (real) graphics drivers to load.  



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?
Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?
Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

If not, what make of machine is it?

Ralph Bryce 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 20:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Man, this thing is nice.  Lots of info.  It sees my physical display adapter
(pci/agp video), but it does not see a windows video.  


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

Ralph Bryce


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From jwelz at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 15:55:45 2006
From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <00d701c65da4$1a0a2510$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F32F6D83963F74996CC51FAA1CD0@phx.gbl>

I've had two laptops where I've attempted to uninstall Norton (02 and 03).  
Neither ever booted an OS successfully again.  I bought two new drives and 
enclosures for both old laptop drives.  Putting the drives in the enclosure 
allowed me to pull off all the files I wanted.  Ultimately I burned 
everything to DVDs before formatting the old drives and use them for 
photo/movie storage.

I'm not sure if the NAV versions I was using had the rootkit garbage that 
Norton was caught using, but unfortunately the two machines were purchased 
with a factory install of that software.  The next time I purchase a 
machine, a condition of the purchase will be that no part of Norton was ever 
installed.

Drivers are why Windows is considered Plug & PRAY.  I liked being able to 
set a couple of jumpers to set IRQs and interrupts.  I used to have a 
nightmare with modems after operating systems went plug and play.

I suppose the Command window is 640*480 resolution?  You could try some 
multiboot/partition software to give the bare setup another chance without 
nuking the system entirely.

Ciao
J?rgen Welz
Edmonton, Alberta
jwelz at hotmail.com





>From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>
>Did you try to boot into safe mode and remove the device/drivers?
>
>Also you mentioned you just bought NAV - have you installed it yet? NAV
>2005/2006 have been a royal PITA for me.




From ralphb at cwgsy.net  Tue Apr 11 16:06:14 2006
From: ralphb at cwgsy.net (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:06:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000401c65da8$cf9b7b00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001b01c65dab$c4ab9dd0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>


From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby

This is an Emachines laptop
 

John

Which model?

For example,
the model M5305 uses the ATI Mobility Radeon IGP 320M,
the M6805, M6810, M6811 use the ATI Mobility Radeon 9600

http://www.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/details__cat_id--462,prod_id
--7591590.html

Ralph Bryce




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 16:20:52 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:20:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <0IXK004FPS3U9TF0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000701c65dad$d0c0cee0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 17:15:42 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000401c65da8$cf9b7b00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <014801c65db5$798aef90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Use Symantec's SymNRT.exe to remove their apps completely. Then throw their
cd in the air and shoot it ;o)

HTH

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

>Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?

Nope

>Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?

Yep

>Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

Yep.

This is an Emachines laptop which has been functioning fine (for 2 years
now) until I had a problem with NAV not updating it's virus defs.  In the
process of attempting to uninstall that, Windows itself got hosed.  I
performed a "repair" of Windows which hosed the display adapter.  Things are
going down hill.  

In fact the system is ALMOST back to normal, except for the fact that the
video adapter is entirely missing to Windows (and every other program /
utility).  Windows is using some "emergency" graphics adapter AFAICT which
limits me to 800x600 and 1024 x 768 modes.  In fact if I disable THAT
emergency adapter, windows boots up entirely with NOTHING displayed - a
terrifying experience.  Makes me understand how a blind person (who could
once see) must feel.  Anyway, my native mode graphics is 1600 x 1200 IIRC,
and the 1024x768 mode is just ugly - blurry, horrid fonts etc.  

But I cannot get any graphics drivers to install because somehow Windows
"lost" the "graphics adapter" section of the hardware tree, and therefore
the graphics drivers installation programs can't figure out what to do with
the drivers, and just refuse to install.  

So far I have spent probably 40 hours uninstalling NAV (about 6 times before
finally getting a good install) and repairing my windows, then trying to get
these (real) graphics drivers to load.  



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Does it not return a Chip Type under Windows Video?
Or a name under PCI/AGP Video|Device Description?
Or a Video Adaptor Value under Graphics Processor (GPU)?

If not, what make of machine is it?

Ralph Bryce 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 11 April 2006 20:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Man, this thing is nice.  Lots of info.  It sees my physical display adapter
(pci/agp video), but it does not see a windows video.  


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

John

Have you tried Aida32?

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download181.html

(3MB download)

It's a free sys info tool that will tell you more about your system than
you'll want to know - including what it thinks your display adaptor is.

That may point you to a suitable driver...

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 18:17:26 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:17:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000701c65dad$d0c0cee0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXK00KSSZBZZR00@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 11 19:04:07 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:04:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships - Sql Server 2005
Message-ID: <000b01c65dc4$9f8d0430$6601a8c0@office>

(Cross posted to AccessD and Access SQL)

I am creating the relationships between tables in my new system in Sql Server 2005 (developer, not express).

I have found 2 ways to do this:

1). By going into a specific table's keys and editing there, or
2) By dragging ands dropping fields in the database diagran, which I find easier.

But from within the database diagram I can't find how to view the properties of the relationship. If I right click I only have the option to delete it.

Anyone know a better way as this is taking me ages??

TIA
Kath


From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 11 19:13:08 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:13:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships - Sql Server 2005
Message-ID: <001c01c65dc5$e19c86b0$6601a8c0@office>

Sorry - just worked it out. (USe F4) doh!

Kath

From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Apr 11 20:01:25 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:01:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <0IXK00KSSZBZZR00@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <001c01c65dcc$a03c5d60$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 20:02:23 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:02:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion
References: <208.11fd4365.311620fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <443C519F.9060401@shaw.ca>

I wondered where this Access Translation  Tool went
as it used to be under the Moscow Access User Group site.
I came across it yesterday.
It is now being sold by Point Limited in Moscow
I think it was written by Alex Dybenko an Access MVP who works for them.

http://www.pointltd.com/

It has ability to work with different character sets in built-in edit 
form - Western, Japanese, Cyrillic ,etc.
You can just select your working language on entry to the mdb limit of 
10 languages..
They have added some bells and whistles with Office 2003
You can  either do your own translation of things like Message Boxes and 
Titles
or you can use automatic calls to Word 2003 to do a web service 
translation to get an immediate translation
of your Access Forms. Remember translations like this are still of the
"Lo lightning has struck my front postilion" variety. But you could show 
something immediately to a client.
I haven't checked how it handles things like date and currency formatting.

He has some interesting Access blogs at
http://alexdyb.blogspot.com/
http://alex.dybenko.com/

DorisH3 at aol.com wrote:

>Does anyone know if an Access database using VB modules can be converted to 
>Japanese or Chinese?  If it can be what is the process?
>
>Doris
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 11 20:16:48 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:16:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <014801c65db5$798aef90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <000401c65da8$cf9b7b00$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <443CE1A0.5948.5C05E35@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 11 Apr 2006 at 17:15, John Bartow wrote:

> Use Symantec's SymNRT.exe to remove their apps completely. Then throw their
> cd in the air and shoot it ;o)
> 

The fact that Symantec have to release a TWO special utilities to remove their software 
says it all   (SymNRT and RNAV2003)  :-(







From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 11 21:09:59 2006
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:09:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
Message-ID: <20060412020959.26434.qmail@web53612.mail.yahoo.com>

Can someone please help me with this problem?  I know it's something simple but I am not an Access database expert but I am learning everything I can.  I follow your email list because I have learned a lot just by reading what the problems everyone has.
   
  I have three Access tables that update using VB code.  When I click the Save button, they all save at the same time.  All three tables (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are identical.  When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1 and 2 in all three tables.  The problem is, sometimes it saves to all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three.  What would cause it to do that?  What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using the same code every time?
  Thanks
  Kim Wiggins

		
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 11 22:55:18 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:55:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <443CE1A0.5948.5C05E35@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <02bf01c65de4$ea7dd6c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yeah, that was really the first thing that bothered me about Norton
products. Even worse, they used to have one for each version of their
products so I carried around a bunch of their removal tools on a CD for ease
of use. At least now they have combined them. I'm still wondering why they
can't just have their uninstall program do this for them. I guess looking on
the positive, at least they posted a solution to the problem. I used to
spend an hour manually scrubbing windows to get rid of McAfee AV after their
uninstalls didn't work!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

On 11 Apr 2006 at 17:15, John Bartow wrote:

> Use Symantec's SymNRT.exe to remove their apps completely. Then throw 
> their cd in the air and shoot it ;o)
> 

The fact that Symantec have to release a TWO special utilities to remove
their software 
says it all   (SymNRT and RNAV2003)  :-(





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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 11 23:56:52 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:56:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <001c01c65dcc$a03c5d60$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXL00FD3F1O55I0@l-daemon>

Hi John:

It sounds like things have become stranger... the computer fairy has
deserted you. Have you had a chance to check out the drivers to download
from www.Omegacorner.com?   

Jim

PS Maybe the actual video card on your computer has failed?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 12 00:05:57 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:05:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
In-Reply-To: <443A9758.8070007@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0IXL00F40FGS55J0@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

We are following up a number of different ways but will go with the option
that provides the greatest flexibility and has the most information
available. (It might not be a .Net choice as there seems to be limited
content out... we are looking for a good 'white-paper' on the subject.)

The client's main site is a full Redhat Linux server out of Texas so the
coding may preclude other options than PHP. The implementation will be done
initially through an API designed out of Toronto which has a number of
'SOAP' function calls. The one thing that concerns me is the size of the
WSDL file... 5000 lines; a lot to cache. I wonder if performance will be
adversely affected? It is for all the function calls. I wonder if there can
be one for each function call as most of the features are not going to be
used?

Jim 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost

Take this with the caveat, I have not touched any SOAP in six months.
Whether this stuff below may cause you problems, I don't know
but here is what you may run into.

If you are going to do anything complex in SOAP, you are going to have 
to make a design decision.
You could use VB6 and/or  Access with SOAP but the Microsoft SOAP 
Toolkit that made it easier
 at one time has been deprecated by the .NET Framework.  July 2004
Maybe MS force play to use .Net. Access 2003 Web Services will generally 
work with
the MS .Net Servers of WebServices and build the proper proxy SOAP classes
but it may get into problems on Web Services  built with say Java and 
Apache.
This is what I don't know.  It is generally referred  to as the "SOAP 
Interop" problem.
If you run into it, here is a possible workaround.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/webservices/building/soaptk/default.as
px

I could once write basic SOAP xml and throw it at a WSDL file through 
Access but it has become
more complicated. What I did about two years ago was use open source 
PocketSoap Toolkit and
then the WSDL Wizard for PocketSOAP 2.3.0 to run from Access 97.
http://www.pocketsoap.com/wsdl/wsdl2.aspx

The wizard contains support for generating proxies for rpc/encoded and 
document/literal services,
complexTypes and custom serializers for those types are constructued 
from the WSDL and XSD schema information.
The proxy object is generated in form of a VB6 project, I just grab the 
classes into Access 2003.
You can also put into a COM dll and call that.

So your choice maybe use Access/VB with Pocket Soap or other 3'd party 
toolkit or go to .Net or gasp Java.

One of the major problems I had was with so called "SOAP Interop", Web 
servers like Apache and Tomcat
had completely different ideas on the SOAP standard. I think it is 
finally straightened out but ...

One problem being by default Web Services built with ASP.NET, default to 
a style of SOAP called document/literal.
PocketSOAP by default uses a different style of SOAP called RPC/Encoded 
as does Apache/Tomcat based ones.
You can either switch your ASP.NET service to RPC/Encoded mode by using 
the SoapRpcMethod attribute,
or alternatively, you can alter your PocketSOAP code to use 
document/literal style mess.

The Linux servers Web Services had all sorts of weird stuff that 
consequently got into problems when people
started using the Soap Standards Section 5 encoding model, including 
arrays, sparse arrays, partial arrays,
unsized arrays, nil's, complex types and simple types. ie things like 
passing VB6 objects or binary jpegs.
This wasn't touched upon in the first years of SOAP.
This doesn't touch other quirks, like in HTTP 1.1 transport including 
support for
SSL, proxy servers, basic authentication, proxy server authentication, 
redirects,
 session cookies and compression.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Thanks for the info. The YATT looks like a great tool. 
>
>Our programmer has a sample site that is working without using a
>purchased/rented API. Hopefully the API the client is paying for works as
>well and has as much functionality. (Will have to get up to speed in SOAP
as
>I am still at the functional level with XML; time to hit the W3C pages).
>
>If you have any further thoughts or recommendations it would all be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:01 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>
>Well here are tools that you may have to use, if you get stuck.
>TCPTrace, YATT or PcapTrace are essentially tools that log everything 
>going back and forth on the wire.
>I had to use on an amazon uk bookstore site when they weren't giving me 
>enough info
>and they were making initial development mistakes. Useful, if they are 
>throwing things
>like logging or session cookies at you, without telling you.
>Simon Fell is generally about 6 months ahead of microsoft, especially 
>with SOAP development.
>http://www.pocketsoap.com/yatt/
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>I guess this is one of the practical issues/problems with screen
scrapping.
>>This is why I believe it could become a full-time occupation just to keep
>>the connections. The client wants start off using an existing API and
maybe
>>move to custom one if that does not fill the bill. The client is
>>viewing/scrapping a specific set of sites. The sites that will be viewed
>>    
>>
>are
>  
>
>>ones that would want the general public to view them as easily as
possible.
>>
>>So we will see. If there are any other suggestions that you have I would
be
>>more than glad to hear them.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Jim 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:52 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>
>>Just one thing to keep in mind about screen scraping sites, companies 
>>have a habit of doing a complete
>>web site redesign every 12 to 18 months, not to mention minor monthly 
>>changes which may prove to be a problem.
>>Also some sites are putting in methods that may defeat older scraping 
>>methods, like logging in with
>>a graphic designed login code parameter, page redirects or in ASP.Net 
>>you may not be able to see the screen source.
>>Some of these are designed on puropse to defeat screen scraping. Some 
>>companies like e-Bay provide a free API
>>to make it easy to collect data. Some companies provide an extra paid 
>>for service to ftp or download the data as an Excel file.
>>Yahoo financial does this. Some companies may switch entirely to a free 
>>or payment based WebService like USPS.
>>You could be programming against moving goalposts.
>>
>>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi All:
>>>
>>>Good news. After the client and I sat down for a conversation we hammered
>>>out a good deal. We have managed to ink-out a contract that both of us
can
>>>live with. He admitted that he does not trust programmers after being
>>>'ripped' in a couple of instances.
>>>
>>>Dealing with an old coder like me seemed calm things down and we have a
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>deal
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>that may see a solid ongoing full-time contract coming out of this.   
>>>
>>>Thanks so much for all your suggestions. They definitely help put things
>>>      
>>>
>in
>  
>
>>>perspective.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>PS So there is something that you young punk programmers do not have. 
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>>
>>>Thank you all for your suggestions. 
>>>
>>>I have planned to verbally submit an appropriate counter offer and let
the
>>>project go if there is no agreement 
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost
>>>
>>>These are interesting times. 
>>>
>>>Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new
>>>client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business.
>>>
>>>The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>'screen
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list
>>>      
>>>
>of
>  
>
>>>the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but
>>>had not negotiated a price.
>>>
>>>The client presented the young programmer with his position. 
>>>First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called.  
>>>Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through
>>>      
>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>company.
>>>Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had
>>>      
>>>
>two
>  
>
>>>'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>felt
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>that he should try and support local talent.
>>>
>>>.. and a rider..
>>>
>>>The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code
>>>again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits.
>>>
>>>I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment.
>>>
>>>Jim  
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 12 00:55:22 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:55:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <20060412020959.26434.qmail@web53612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <443D22EA.8394.6BF6810@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

>   I have three Access tables that update using VB code.  When I click
>   the Save button, they all save at the same time.  All three tables
>   (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
>   identical.  When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
>   and 2 in all three tables.  The problem is, sometimes it saves to
>   all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
>   to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three.  What would cause it to do
>   that?  What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
>   the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.





From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 12 07:34:31 2006
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:34:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <443D22EA.8394.6BF6810@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20060412123431.85535.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com>

I apologize, the code was really so simple, I was embarrassed to post it.  I am new to this so I am learning. But here it is:
   
  Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
  oConn.Open frmSplash.sConn
   
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
      
  rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs.AddNew
   
  rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString, txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  
..assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  Set rs1 = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs1.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs1.AddNew
   
  rs1("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString, txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  
..assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  Set rs2 = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs2.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs2.AddNew
   
  rs2("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString, txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  
..assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  rs.Update
  rs.Close
      
  rs1.Update
  rs1.Close
   
  rs2.Update
  rs2.Close
    
  Set rs = Nothing
  Set rs1 = Nothing
  Set rs2 = Nothing
   
  oConn.Close
   
  That's it.  This works but the only problem is that because it is saving to many tables some of the times the entries are created correctly and other times it misses entries from 2 of the columns that must be there in all three tables.
  Thanks

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
  On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I have three Access tables that update using VB code. When I click
> the Save button, they all save at the same time. All three tables
> (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
> identical. When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
> and 2 in all three tables. The problem is, sometimes it saves to
> all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
> to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What would cause it to do
> that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
> the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.



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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 12 07:34:36 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:34:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <20060412020959.26434.qmail@web53612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c65e2d$76acc050$abb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

1. There might not be any data -- an obvious reason, but something you might
miss if you aren't familiar with the data. Don't assume there's data, check.

2. If there's data for every column, it sounds like a missing foreign key,
an integrity conflict, or some kind of data conflict at the table level.
You're not getting an error message when this happens?

Susan H. 

 The problem is, sometimes it saves to all three of the tables just fine and
other times it may just save to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three.  What
would cause it to do that?  What would cause such inconsistency to occur
when it is using the same code every time?



From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 12 07:50:20 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:50:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trimmean Function in Excel - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F33B8C3719867ECF6829070D2CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F12F8012C7471DC6912CABA9AC20@phx.gbl>

Okay.  Still desperately struggling with this.   All I want to do now is 
dump the 80% of the data into a temp table.

The code below was furnished by Mark Matte.........or most of it anyway.

Instead of getting the mean, all I want to do is strip out the top 10% and 
the bottom 10%, then put the remaining records in a table.

This code does insert the records into a temp table, but it inserts all of 
the records.  I guess I'm not really clear on which portion of Mark's code 
actually drops the top 10% and the bottom 10%.

Please help!

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Per
Per = 0.2
Dim db As DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDb()
   Dim GroupRst As DAO.Recordset
   Set GroupRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.Profile FROM 
tblMonthlyProfile GROUP BY tblMonthlyProfile.Profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
   Dim GroupName As Field
   Set GroupName = GroupRst!profile
   Do Until GroupRst.EOF
       Dim MyRst As DAO.Recordset
       Set MyRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.id, 
tblMonthlyProfile.Profile, tblMonthlyProfile.Unit, tblMonthlyProfile.Cmonth 
FROM tblMonthlyProfile WHERE (((tblMonthlyProfile.Profile) = " & GroupName & 
")) ORDER BY tblMonthlyProfile.profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
       Dim List As Field
       Set List = MyRst!id
       Dim Counter
       Counter = MyRst.RecordCount
       Dim Trim
       Dim MaxTrim
       Dim Div
       If InStr(1, Int(Counter * Per) / 2, ".") = 0 Then
           Trim = Int(Counter * Per) / 2
           MaxTrim = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) / 2 + 1
           Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per)
       Else
           Trim = (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2
           MaxTrim = Counter - (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2 + 1
           Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) + 1
       End If




       Dim ListSum
       ListSum = 0
       Dim Num
       Num = 0
       Do Until MyRst.EOF
       Num = Num + 1
       If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then
           ListSum = ListSum + List
       Else
       ListSum = ListSum
       End If


                Set Rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblTempData", dbOpenDynaset)
                Rst.AddNew
                Rst!CMonth = MyRst!CMonth
                Rst!profile = MyRst!profile
                Rst!Unit = MyRst!Unit
                Rst.Update


       MyRst.MoveNext

       Loop
       'MsgBox "The TRIMMEAN for " & GroupName & "is " & ListSum / Div



   GroupRst.MoveNext
   Loop

End Sub



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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 12 08:22:26 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:22:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <001c01c65dcc$a03c5d60$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <E1FTfIl-0001x6-00@pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

<<If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which
managed
to get trashed.>>

  You hit it on the head.  The ENUM key is messed up.  Your most likely
going to need to wipe the disk and start over.  With Win 98 it was nice.
You could simply delete the key, reboot, and it would re-detect everything.
I've not tried it with an XP system, but apparently it doesn't work from
what I've heard.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 08:36:45 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:36:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <006301c65d8a$46eee850$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <0IXK008D1GI75Z20@l-daemon>
	<006301c65d8a$46eee850$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920604120636s325ac93h71a64e42d6343075@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
> Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
> The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
> to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.

John,

have a look at:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20815819.html
and
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;292460

The Experts exchange link talks about a similar problem to yours. The
solution was to download the latest MoBo drivers and then trying to
reinstall video driver.

The MSKB link talks about how to troubleshoot Video Adapter Drivers in
Safe mode.

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 12 09:11:34 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:11:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Solved ( I think) Trimmean Function - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F12F8012C7471DC6912CABA9AC20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1628BEB8B10A5FB86D2FF69AC20@phx.gbl>

Okay.  I think this is now working.  Here is the code below:

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Per
Per = 0.2
Dim db As DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDb()
   Dim GroupRst As DAO.Recordset
   Set GroupRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.Profile FROM 
tblMonthlyProfile GROUP BY tblMonthlyProfile.Profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
   Dim GroupName As Field
   Set GroupName = GroupRst!Profile
   Do Until GroupRst.EOF
       Dim MyRst As DAO.Recordset
       Set MyRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.id, 
tblMonthlyProfile.Profile, tblMonthlyProfile.Unit, tblMonthlyProfile.Cmonth 
FROM tblMonthlyProfile WHERE (((tblMonthlyProfile.Profile) = " & GroupName & 
")) ORDER BY tblMonthlyProfile.profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
       Dim List As Field
       Set List = MyRst!CMonth
       Dim Counter
       Counter = MyRst.RecordCount
       Dim Trim
       Dim MaxTrim
       Dim Div

       If InStr(1, Int(Counter * Per) / 2, ".") = 0 Then
          Trim = Int(Counter * Per) / 2
           MaxTrim = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) / 2 + 1
           Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per)
       Else
           Trim = (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2
           MaxTrim = Counter - (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2 + 1
           Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) + 1
       End If



       Dim ListSum
       ListSum = 0
       Dim Num
       Num = 0
       Do Until MyRst.EOF

            Num = Num + 1
            If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then
                ListSum = ListSum + List
              Else
            ListSum = ListSum
       End If

            MyRst.MoveNext
      Loop
                Set Rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblTempData", dbOpenDynaset)
                Rst.AddNew
                Rst!CMonth = (ListSum / Div)
                Rst!Profile = GroupName
                Rst!Unit = Div
                Rst!ID = ListSum
                Rst.Update


   GroupRst.MoveNext
   Loop

End Sub



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 12 09:33:13 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:33:13 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Solved ( I think) Trimmean Function - How to in Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F1628BEB8B10A5FB86D2FF69AC20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F12CB2E92AA5D022FDFD9EFD2C20@phx.gbl>

Julie,

I read the other email...were you  trying to calculate the mean...or just 
put the remaining records in the temp table?  If you wanted the other 
records you would put your 'add the record" code in the following IF 
statement:If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then

Hope it helps...

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Julie Reardon-Taylor" <prosoft6 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Solved ( I think) Trimmean Function - How to in 
>Access
>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:11:34 -0400
>
>Okay.  I think this is now working.  Here is the code below:
>
>Private Sub Command0_Click()
>Dim Per
>Per = 0.2
>Dim db As DAO.Database
>Set db = CurrentDb()
>    Dim GroupRst As DAO.Recordset
>    Set GroupRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.Profile FROM
>tblMonthlyProfile GROUP BY tblMonthlyProfile.Profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
>    Dim GroupName As Field
>    Set GroupName = GroupRst!Profile
>    Do Until GroupRst.EOF
>        Dim MyRst As DAO.Recordset
>        Set MyRst = db.OpenRecordset("SELECT tblMonthlyProfile.id,
>tblMonthlyProfile.Profile, tblMonthlyProfile.Unit, tblMonthlyProfile.Cmonth
>FROM tblMonthlyProfile WHERE (((tblMonthlyProfile.Profile) = " & GroupName 
>&
>")) ORDER BY tblMonthlyProfile.profile;", DB_OPEN_DYNASET)
>        Dim List As Field
>        Set List = MyRst!CMonth
>        Dim Counter
>        Counter = MyRst.RecordCount
>        Dim Trim
>        Dim MaxTrim
>        Dim Div
>
>        If InStr(1, Int(Counter * Per) / 2, ".") = 0 Then
>           Trim = Int(Counter * Per) / 2
>            MaxTrim = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) / 2 + 1
>            Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per)
>        Else
>            Trim = (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2
>            MaxTrim = Counter - (Int(Counter * Per) - 1) / 2 + 1
>            Div = Counter - Int(Counter * Per) + 1
>        End If
>
>
>
>        Dim ListSum
>        ListSum = 0
>        Dim Num
>        Num = 0
>        Do Until MyRst.EOF
>
>             Num = Num + 1
>             If Num > Trim And Num < MaxTrim Then
>                 ListSum = ListSum + List
>               Else
>             ListSum = ListSum
>        End If
>
>             MyRst.MoveNext
>       Loop
>                 Set Rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblTempData", dbOpenDynaset)
>                 Rst.AddNew
>                 Rst!CMonth = (ListSum / Div)
>                 Rst!Profile = GroupName
>                 Rst!Unit = Div
>                 Rst!ID = ListSum
>                 Rst.Update
>
>
>    GroupRst.MoveNext
>    Loop
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 12 09:40:14 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:40:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920604120636s325ac93h71a64e42d6343075@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04ef01c65e3f$02fe5210$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Ahh! - I think you hit it on the head here Bryan.

As I mentioned earlier, I had this happen to me within the last few weeks
and I couldn't recall how I recovered from it but I do believe this is it.

The key is that you have to reinstall the drivers for the _motherboard_ and
reboot. Then the "video adapter" will be recognized and the "VgaSave
service" will reliquish control.

I would add that you should just use the original drivers and when all is
well you can tinker with updating them (gives you something to "roll back"
to in case of problems.) They worked in the first place so there is no
reason to replace them unless you'd had problems with them or they offer
some benefit to your situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for 
> WindowsXP Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter
however.
> The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display 
> adapter to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.

John,

have a look at:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20815819.html
and
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;292460

The Experts exchange link talks about a similar problem to yours. The
solution was to download the latest MoBo drivers and then trying to
reinstall video driver.

The MSKB link talks about how to troubleshoot Video Adapter Drivers in Safe
mode.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 12 09:57:23 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:57:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F40@main2.marlow.com>

Why does it matter if it's gone from the tree.  Add it.  Don't let windows
search for it, just tell it you want to add a device, and you'll select it
from a list.  Select Display adapter, then click the have disk portion, and
go to your setup disk.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Wed Apr 12 10:06:57 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:06:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <04ef01c65e3f$02fe5210$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Bryan, John,

That was it!

Installing the MOBO drivers from the original disk that came with the laptop
caused a page fault (never a good sign) but on reboot it said that new
hardware had been detected, including.... The VGA adapter.  I allowed it to
install everything, but it stopped on some "SomeOtherThing.Sys required"
message.  That wasn't on the CD but I searched for it on the C: drive and
there it was in the System32/Drivers directory.  Fed in that path (twice)
and voila (after another reboot), I have my native resolution back.

Good job guys (and why I know that, if all else fails, ASK THE LIST!)


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Ahh! - I think you hit it on the head here Bryan.

As I mentioned earlier, I had this happen to me within the last few weeks
and I couldn't recall how I recovered from it but I do believe this is it.

The key is that you have to reinstall the drivers for the _motherboard_ and
reboot. Then the "video adapter" will be recognized and the "VgaSave
service" will reliquish control.

I would add that you should just use the original drivers and when all is
well you can tinker with updating them (gives you something to "roll back"
to in case of problems.) They worked in the first place so there is no
reason to replace them unless you'd had problems with them or they offer
some benefit to your situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

On 4/11/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for 
> WindowsXP Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not 
> matter
however.
> The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display 
> adapter to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.

John,

have a look at:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20815819.html
and
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;292460

The Experts exchange link talks about a similar problem to yours. The
solution was to download the latest MoBo drivers and then trying to
reinstall video driver.

The MSKB link talks about how to troubleshoot Video Adapter Drivers in Safe
mode.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 12 10:01:00 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:01:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F41@main2.marlow.com>

That can sometimes be a commit issue.  Had a project a few weeks ago that
was supposed to update a particular table when criteria were met.  That
update process was in it's own function, which had a few derived SQL
statements, and it used CurrentProject.Connection.Execute strSQL to run
them.

In debug, stepping through, worked fine.  In process though, it just didn't
run.  Switched it to DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL, worked like a charm.  What I think
happened is that I had the connection object tied up elsewhere, stepping
through gave things time to commit, but running it straight didn't, so
things were run, but the transactions were dropped.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

Can someone please help me with this problem?  I know it's something simple
but I am not an Access database expert but I am learning everything I can.
I follow your email list because I have learned a lot just by reading what
the problems everyone has.
   
  I have three Access tables that update using VB code.  When I click the
Save button, they all save at the same time.  All three tables (table A, B
and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are identical.  When it
saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1 and 2 in all three tables.
The problem is, sometimes it saves to all three of the tables just fine and
other times it may just save to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three.  What
would cause it to do that?  What would cause such inconsistency to occur
when it is using the same code every time?
  Thanks
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 12 10:04:58 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:04:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F42@main2.marlow.com>

Just use one recordset.  

So it should be like this:

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew
   
rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs.AddNew
   
  rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing


Drew

(Also, a little comment, IIF is useful in SQL because you can't use If Then,
in code, you can, and If Then's are more flexible then IIF statements...)


  

-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

I apologize, the code was really so simple, I was embarrassed to post it.  I
am new to this so I am learning. But here it is:
   
  Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
  oConn.Open frmSplash.sConn
   
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
      
  rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs.AddNew
   
  rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  Set rs1 = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs1.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs1.AddNew
   
  rs1("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  Set rs2 = New ADODB.Recordset
   
  rs2.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
  rs2.AddNew
   
  rs2("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
  .....assignments for all the other entries for this table
   
  rs.Update
  rs.Close
      
  rs1.Update
  rs1.Close
   
  rs2.Update
  rs2.Close
    
  Set rs = Nothing
  Set rs1 = Nothing
  Set rs2 = Nothing
   
  oConn.Close
   
  That's it.  This works but the only problem is that because it is saving
to many tables some of the times the entries are created correctly and other
times it misses entries from 2 of the columns that must be there in all
three tables.
  Thanks

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
  On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I have three Access tables that update using VB code. When I click
> the Save button, they all save at the same time. All three tables
> (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
> identical. When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
> and 2 in all three tables. The problem is, sometimes it saves to
> all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
> to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What would cause it to do
> that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
> the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.



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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 10:38:24 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:38:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <04ef01c65e3f$02fe5210$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920604120838k5a5c5fb4jec64830c69fef426@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/12/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Bryan, John,
>
> That was it!

> Good job guys (and why I know that, if all else fails, ASK THE LIST!)

Glad that you've got it all fixed now, but you asked on the wrong
list. It shoulda been asked on  dba-tech :)


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 10:44:32 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:44:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920604120838k5a5c5fb4jec64830c69fef426@mail.gmail.com>
References: <04ef01c65e3f$02fe5210$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<e04a6c920604120838k5a5c5fb4jec64830c69fef426@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604120844p30cc55e9j6f3972b7133220b6@mail.gmail.com>

And I think it would have been answered a lot faster over there too

;-)

GK

On 4/12/06, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/12/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Bryan, John,
> >
> > That was it!
>
> > Good job guys (and why I know that, if all else fails, ASK THE LIST!)
>
> Glad that you've got it all fixed now, but you asked on the wrong
> list. It shoulda been asked on  dba-tech :)


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Wed Apr 12 10:48:09 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:48:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F40@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000301c65e48$80bcc930$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Why does it matter if it's gone from the tree.  Add it.  Don't let windows
search for it, just tell it you want to add a device, and you'll select it
from a list.  Select Display adapter, then click the have disk portion, and
go to your setup disk.


Because there is no "display adapter" to select!!! 

That is what I've been saying for the last week.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Why does it matter if it's gone from the tree.  Add it.  Don't let windows
search for it, just tell it you want to add a device, and you'll select it
from a list.  Select Display adapter, then click the have disk portion, and
go to your setup disk.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Jim,

I have the OEM setup disk, the CD that came with the Laptop.  It has an ATI
driver directory, with an install program, which refuses to run! NO DRIVERS,
from anywhere can even find a graphics adapter to install drivers for.  It
appears that the install programs have to go through Windows, not around.
WINDOWS ITSELF does not have a graphics adapter showing any more.  If I go
to my wife's laptop, and go to the Device manager, a GRAPHICS ADAPTER tree
exists.  

Computer
	+Batteries
	+Computer
	+Disk Drives
	+Graphics Adapter		<THIS IS MISSING
	+Network Adapters
	+Etc.

That entire thing is just gone!!!

If I had to guess I would say it is a section of the register which managed
to get trashed.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Again I iterate that the CD/Files are not part of XP, any version. Just like
you must select from its own CD for a specific bubble-jet printer to set it
up properly even though the XP O/S will recognize the attached printer you
must also use the specific files to set up your laptop.

For Example: Just like when you are installing your own mother-board with
built in sound, video and LAN card you must run a Utilities setup disk
first. When I am installing a new Gigabyte mother-board, before installing
the O/S, I run the appropriate NVIDIVAnForce Series Utilities CD or when
installing the XP it would not correctly identify imbedded hardware.

There has been be some configuration software ran before your O/S
installation. 

Here is a comment I saw regarding the drivers an eMachine laptop:
Go to Omegacorner.com and download the drivers from there. The ones you get
from ATI only work in desktops. 

HTH
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Yea, but it is Windows XP Home, not PRO.  I can't use that directly. 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

The CD I am talking about is not the O/S disk but the hardware CD. This is
usually a separate CD but in some cases, especially with Laptops, the data
is a hidden and/or in separate partition. Without this BIOS level
configuration software the hardware will never be appropriately exposed to
the O/S. This is manufacture specific.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

It is a laptop, and I have the install disk, although it is for WindowsXP
Home and I am using WindowsXP Pro.  That really does not matter however.
The display adapter software fails, claiming it can't find a display adapter
to install software for.  Neither can I for that matter.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Hi John:

Did you buy the mother board separately or did it come in a pre-built? In
either case there should have been a CD with it. Boards with all the
components built on them takes specific software to get them setup. Check
with who ever you purchased the equipment from or online with the
manufacture.

Jim 

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 12 10:50:41 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:50:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No display adapter
In-Reply-To: <000301c65e42$bf7e8470$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <056701c65e48$dac2e5e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I'm glad it worked out! I hate resorting to reinstalling windows (or knowing
someone else had to). I've rarely had to do that with XP.

We have this really cool list called dba-tech where we talk about things
like this all the time - EVERYONE'S invited to join that list also!
;o)

In fact we have other specific lists that you should all check out and
consider joining.
:o)

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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No display adapter

Bryan, John,

That was it!

Installing the MOBO drivers from the original disk that came with the laptop
caused a page fault (never a good sign) but on reboot it said that new
hardware had been detected, including.... The VGA adapter.  I allowed it to
install everything, but it stopped on some "SomeOtherThing.Sys required"
message.  That wasn't on the CD but I searched for it on the C: drive and
there it was in the System32/Drivers directory.  Fed in that path (twice)
and voila (after another reboot), I have my native resolution back.

Good job guys (and why I know that, if all else fails, ASK THE LIST!)


John W. Colby
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Wed Apr 12 11:11:19 2006
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:11:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <000301c65e2d$76acc050$abb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGEEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Hello to the list,

Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
A last minute change from the client.

thx

bob





From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 12 11:20:14 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:20:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGEEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <000601c65e4c$fb9ddc30$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

ALTER TABLE tblname
ALTER COLUMN colname Memo
WHERE colname.value = "comment"

If this is just a one-time change, you should be able to run it from the SQL
View window -- you don't even need DAO. 

Susan H. 

Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
A last minute change from the client.




From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 12 12:35:07 2006
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <000301c65e2d$76acc050$abb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <20060412173507.27415.qmail@web53606.mail.yahoo.com>

No Susan, I am not getting an error message.  It just saves it as though everything went well.  I have a message that comes back to let me know that the current record has been saved successfully.  That is what I get.

Susan Harkins <harkinsss at bellsouth.net> wrote:  1. There might not be any data -- an obvious reason, but something you might
miss if you aren't familiar with the data. Don't assume there's data, check.

2. If there's data for every column, it sounds like a missing foreign key,
an integrity conflict, or some kind of data conflict at the table level.
You're not getting an error message when this happens?

Susan H. 

The problem is, sometimes it saves to all three of the tables just fine and
other times it may just save to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What
would cause it to do that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur
when it is using the same code every time?

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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Wed Apr 12 12:35:19 2006
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:35:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <000601c65e4c$fb9ddc30$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGNEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

thanks for the quick response.
can I use some wild card chars in the Where .....?



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Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


ALTER TABLE tblname
ALTER COLUMN colname Memo
WHERE colname.value = "comment"

If this is just a one-time change, you should be able to run it from the SQL
View window -- you don't even need DAO.

Susan H.

Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
A last minute change from the client.


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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 12 12:37:25 2006
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F42@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20060412173726.46311.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Drew, I will try just using one recordset instead of three.  What I thought is that using one recordset would create a problem when saving.

DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:  Just use one recordset. 

So it should be like this:

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table
Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing


Drew

(Also, a little comment, IIF is useful in SQL because you can't use If Then,
in code, you can, and If Then's are more flexible then IIF statements...)




-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

I apologize, the code was really so simple, I was embarrassed to post it. I
am new to this so I am learning. But here it is:

Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
oConn.Open frmSplash.sConn

Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Set rs1 = New ADODB.Recordset

rs1.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs1.AddNew

rs1("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Set rs2 = New ADODB.Recordset

rs2.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs2.AddNew

rs2("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

rs.Update
rs.Close

rs1.Update
rs1.Close

rs2.Update
rs2.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set rs1 = Nothing
Set rs2 = Nothing

oConn.Close

That's it. This works but the only problem is that because it is saving
to many tables some of the times the entries are created correctly and other
times it misses entries from 2 of the columns that must be there in all
three tables.
Thanks

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I have three Access tables that update using VB code. When I click
> the Save button, they all save at the same time. All three tables
> (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
> identical. When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
> and 2 in all three tables. The problem is, sometimes it saves to
> all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
> to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What would cause it to do
> that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
> the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.



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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Wed Apr 12 12:44:09 2006
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:44:09 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
Message-ID: <220.b3ed303.316e9669@aol.com>

 
Hi  
I?m upsizing AXP to SQL 2000 and the new front end is ADP. And I have  form 
with 2 subforms. To populate one of the subforms I use an In-Line query  with 
the following reference in the criteria column 
= @Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_OrderDetailID 
But at run time I get a parameter popup dialog box with showing  ?
Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_? 
I?ve search KB but to no avail. Anyone know a KB article on this  subject? 
TIA 
johnc


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 12 14:21:20 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:21:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F6B@main2.marlow.com>

No, save the first, before you open the second.  And I also close it,
destroy it (set it to nothing) and recreate it if I'm going to reuse it.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

Thanks Drew, I will try just using one recordset instead of three.  What I
thought is that using one recordset would create a problem when saving.

DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:  Just use one recordset. 

So it should be like this:

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table
Rs.update
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing


Drew

(Also, a little comment, IIF is useful in SQL because you can't use If Then,
in code, you can, and If Then's are more flexible then IIF statements...)




-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Wiggins [mailto:kimjwiggins at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access problem with tables

I apologize, the code was really so simple, I was embarrassed to post it. I
am new to this so I am learning. But here it is:

Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
oConn.Open frmSplash.sConn

Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "tblAircraftWO", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs.AddNew

rs("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Set rs1 = New ADODB.Recordset

rs1.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs1.AddNew

rs1("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

Set rs2 = New ADODB.Recordset

rs2.Open "tblAircraftPartsReplaced", oConn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
rs2.AddNew

rs2("work_order_no").Value = IIf(txtWorkOrderNo = "", vbNullString,
txtWorkOrderNo.Text)
.....assignments for all the other entries for this table

rs.Update
rs.Close

rs1.Update
rs1.Close

rs2.Update
rs2.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set rs1 = Nothing
Set rs2 = Nothing

oConn.Close

That's it. This works but the only problem is that because it is saving
to many tables some of the times the entries are created correctly and other
times it misses entries from 2 of the columns that must be there in all
three tables.
Thanks

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
On 11 Apr 2006 at 19:09, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I have three Access tables that update using VB code. When I click
> the Save button, they all save at the same time. All three tables
> (table A, B and C) each have 2 columns (columns 1 and 2) that are
> identical. When it saves, it is adding a new record to columns 1
> and 2 in all three tables. The problem is, sometimes it saves to
> all three of the tables just fine and other times it may just save
> to 2 or 1 of them instead of all three. What would cause it to do
> that? What would cause such inconsistency to occur when it is using
> the same code every time? Thanks Kim Wiggins
> 

We really need more information.
How about posting the code in the OnClick event for the Save button.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr 12 14:50:00 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:50:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5AC2@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You can't do that.  SQL Server knows absolutely nothing about Access
forms, even in an ADP.  


Charlotte Foust

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Johncliviger at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:44 AM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000

 
Hi
I'm upsizing AXP to SQL 2000 and the new front end is ADP. And I have
form with 2 subforms. To populate one of the subforms I use an In-Line
query  with the following reference in the criteria column =
@Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_OrderDetailID
But at run time I get a parameter popup dialog box with showing  "
Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_" 
I've search KB but to no avail. Anyone know a KB article on this
subject? 
TIA
johnc
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 12 15:43:04 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:43:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access problem with tables
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A6F6B@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c65e71$b74f9800$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I don't know what the relationships are between these tables, but it seems
like, if you base one recordset on a query based on all three tables, you'd
just need one recordset. 

Susan H. 

No, save the first, before you open the second.  And I also close it,
destroy it (set it to nothing) and recreate it if I'm going to reuse it.




From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 12 15:43:04 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:43:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGNEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c65e71$bf05c6a0$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Yes. 

Susan H. 

thanks for the quick response.
can I use some wild card chars in the Where .....?



From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Apr 12 16:00:37 2006
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:00:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492D57A@natexch.jenkens.com>

Could the problem be syntax?  I do not know if e-mail changed it, but there
are _ several places where I would expect !.
= @Forms!Purchasers!Subform!OrderDetailID 
Would be my choice to use.  (keeping in mind that naming controls in a
subform nearly always takes me several tries to get perfect)

Debbie

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From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:44 PM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000


 
Hi  
I'm upsizing AXP to SQL 2000 and the new front end is ADP. And I have  form 
with 2 subforms. To populate one of the subforms I use an In-Line query
with 
the following reference in the criteria column 
= @Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_OrderDetailID 
But at run time I get a parameter popup dialog box with showing  "
Forms_Purchasers_Subform_Form_" 
I've search KB but to no avail. Anyone know a KB article on this  subject? 
TIA 
johnc
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Apr 12 18:39:49 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:39:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
Message-ID: <001e01c65e8a$6452bec0$6601a8c0@office>

(Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

(I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

(While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

______________________________________
Kath Pelletti

From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Apr 12 19:03:57 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:03:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <002b01c65e8d$c2f391e0$6601a8c0@office>

(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)

I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app then they display a tab control exactly like what I need......

Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that way? I can't find it....

______________________________________
Kath Pelletti

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr 12 19:15:22 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:15:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5AE6@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
side, or did you mean vertical text? 


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)

I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app then
they display a tab control exactly like what I need......

Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that way?
I can't find it....

______________________________________
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Apr 12 19:19:26 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:19:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5AE6@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005101c65e8f$ed2c1020$6601a8c0@office>

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that way?
> I can't find it....
>
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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Thu Apr 13 03:26:33 2006
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:26:33 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
Message-ID: <38b.50e66d.316f6539@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/04/2006 20:55:33 GMT Daylight Time,  
cfoust at infostatsystems.com writes:

Charlotte


Hi Charlotte
 
I understand that when the query is stored in the SQL server but is also  the 
case when the query is held in ADP front end?
 
johnc


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 05:04:50 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:04:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing AXP to SQL2000
In-Reply-To: <38b.50e66d.316f6539@aol.com>
Message-ID: <443EAEE2.20633.146AD824@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Apr 2006 at 4:26, Johncliviger at aol.com wrote:

> 
> I understand that when the query is stored in the SQL server but is also 
> the case when the query is held in ADP front end?
> 

How do you store a query in an ADP frontend?

-- 
Stuart




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Apr 13 06:33:35 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:33:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625517@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I am looking for one, too. VS 2005 is the most exciting product I have
worked with since Access came out.  It is incredible.  There does not
seem to be much in the way of documentation yet.  Seems when I google
something, I get messages that the documentation is *coming soon*.  Did
you run into *one click* yet?  Every feature is a treat - I actually
spent 20 straight hours last weekend tied to my PC and this product. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 PM
To: Access D SQl Server List; Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List

(Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have
found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god
send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
learning curve....

But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic
2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very
much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book
which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

(I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that
it is more of a reference book.)

(While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there
another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 13 07:33:34 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625517@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <001701c65ef6$7b8be7d0$6601a8c0@office>

Hi Karen - what is one click?

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Long, Karen S." <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
List


>I am looking for one, too. VS 2005 is the most exciting product I have
> worked with since Access came out.  It is incredible.  There does not
> seem to be much in the way of documentation yet.  Seems when I google
> something, I get messages that the documentation is *coming soon*.  Did
> you run into *one click* yet?  Every feature is a treat - I actually
> spent 20 straight hours last weekend tied to my PC and this product.
>
>
> Karen S. Long
> Programmer Analyst
> EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
> Pittsburgh, PA
> Phone: 412-386-6649
> Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 PM
> To: Access D SQl Server List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
> List
>
> (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
> I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have
> found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god
> send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
> learning curve....
>
> But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic
> 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very
> much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book
> which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
>
> (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that
> it is more of a reference book.)
>
> (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there
> another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 13 07:40:11 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:40:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL Linked Servers
	dialog
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74035563A8@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

We use a UNIX based claims system here and we were just provided with
ODBC connectivity to that system that we're hoping to use on a web app
we host for our network of doctors.  It's a BASIS database and the  OCBC
connector is the BASIS ODBC for the Diamond System (for those familiar).

We're trying to link to this using SQL Linked Servers but the ODBC will
not appear in the SQL drop-down list of available providers in the link
server dialog box.  The tool is registered on the server as far as we
can tell (and on my developer's machine).  When we try to access the DB
directly using ADO we get an error, "Unable to open socket connection".
This leads me to believe the that it is indeed registered on one of the
machines.  It is possible to link the BASIS system to Access and we do
have that connectivity in place on another application.  SQL is required
for our web app however.  It would seem to me that this should be
possible.

Has anyone experienced anything similar with this or another not too
common driver in SQL?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Application Development
Hudson Health Plan



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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 07:47:33 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:47:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL Linked
	Servers dialog
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74035563A8@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74035563A8@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604130547j56cdeda3q18ebca956306a846@mail.gmail.com>

When connecting to Oracle databases via ODBC I first have to define
the ODBC Data Source by going to Control Panel/Administrative
Tools/Data Sources(ODBC) before it shows as an option to link to.

GK

On 4/13/06, Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> We use a UNIX based claims system here and we were just provided with
> ODBC connectivity to that system that we're hoping to use on a web app
> we host for our network of doctors.  It's a BASIS database and the  OCBC
> connector is the BASIS ODBC for the Diamond System (for those familiar).
>
> We're trying to link to this using SQL Linked Servers but the ODBC will
> not appear in the SQL drop-down list of available providers in the link
> server dialog box.  The tool is registered on the server as far as we
> can tell (and on my developer's machine).  When we try to access the DB
> directly using ADO we get an error, "Unable to open socket connection".
> This leads me to believe the that it is indeed registered on one of the
> machines.  It is possible to link the BASIS system to Access and we do
> have that connectivity in place on another application.  SQL is required
> for our web app however.  It would seem to me that this should be
> possible.
>
> Has anyone experienced anything similar with this or another not too
> common driver in SQL?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Application Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 13 07:55:40 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:55:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL
 LinkedServers dialog
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74035563A9@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

As a DSN right?  Yes we did create system DSNs on the server and on the
developer's machine.

After you created the DSN you saw the Oracle provider listed?

Thanks 


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL
LinkedServers dialog

When connecting to Oracle databases via ODBC I first have to define the
ODBC Data Source by going to Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Data
Sources(ODBC) before it shows as an option to link to.

GK

On 4/13/06, Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> We use a UNIX based claims system here and we were just provided with 
> ODBC connectivity to that system that we're hoping to use on a web app

> we host for our network of doctors.  It's a BASIS database and the  
> OCBC connector is the BASIS ODBC for the Diamond System (for those
familiar).
>
> We're trying to link to this using SQL Linked Servers but the ODBC 
> will not appear in the SQL drop-down list of available providers in 
> the link server dialog box.  The tool is registered on the server as 
> far as we can tell (and on my developer's machine).  When we try to 
> access the DB directly using ADO we get an error, "Unable to open
socket connection".
> This leads me to believe the that it is indeed registered on one of 
> the machines.  It is possible to link the BASIS system to Access and 
> we do have that connectivity in place on another application.  SQL is 
> required for our web app however.  It would seem to me that this 
> should be possible.
>
> Has anyone experienced anything similar with this or another not too 
> common driver in SQL?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Application Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 08:41:11 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a function in a module as follows:

Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

 

When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)

This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks

 

The SQL is a follows:

SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1

FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)

WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));

 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 09:06:45 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:06:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL
	LinkedServers dialog
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74035563A9@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74035563A9@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604130706k5906353dw36c129a4c004599e@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, with the system DSN defined on the developer or users system then
the provider is listed when I go to link tables under the ODBC type. 
For Oracle we also need something else installed on the system -
SQLNET which gets installed as part of the Oracle Client software
install. And there is a control table called a TNSNAMES.ORA text file
that lists the server names and port numbers of the actual Oracle
Database instances that must also be in the right location on the
client side machine. But those are Oracle ODBC specific things. Those
same things need to be defined in order to use other tools to access
the Oracle databases as well. Toad, SQL Navigator and SQL Plus all
need the TNSNAMES.ORA and SQLNET installs to be done or they won't
work either. They don't need the ODBC Data source defined though.

Good luck figuring it out.

GK

On 4/13/06, Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> As a DSN right?  Yes we did create system DSNs on the server and on the
> developer's machine.
>
> After you created the DSN you saw the Oracle provider listed?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Database not appearing in SQL
> LinkedServers dialog
>
> When connecting to Oracle databases via ODBC I first have to define the
> ODBC Data Source by going to Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Data
> Sources(ODBC) before it shows as an option to link to.
>
> GK
>
> On 4/13/06, Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > We use a UNIX based claims system here and we were just provided with
> > ODBC connectivity to that system that we're hoping to use on a web app
>
> > we host for our network of doctors.  It's a BASIS database and the
> > OCBC connector is the BASIS ODBC for the Diamond System (for those
> familiar).
> >
> > We're trying to link to this using SQL Linked Servers but the ODBC
> > will not appear in the SQL drop-down list of available providers in
> > the link server dialog box.  The tool is registered on the server as
> > far as we can tell (and on my developer's machine).  When we try to
> > access the DB directly using ADO we get an error, "Unable to open
> socket connection".
> > This leads me to believe the that it is indeed registered on one of
> > the machines.  It is possible to link the BASIS system to Access and
> > we do have that connectivity in place on another application.  SQL is
> > required for our web app however.  It would seem to me that this
> > should be possible.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced anything similar with this or another not too
> > common driver in SQL?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> > Director of Application Development
> > Hudson Health Plan
> >
> >
> >
> > **********************************************************************
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> > only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not
> the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 09:28:20 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:28:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <443EECA4.28122.155C1299@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have a function in a module as follows:
> 
> Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

First point - avoid variants wherever possible. Try defining D and the 
function as dates.

> When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
> Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
> 
> This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
> query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> The SQL is a follows:
> 
> SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> 
Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date]

-- 
Stuart




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 09:38:10 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:38:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E832@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Good ideas. Made the changes. Still get the error message.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have a function in a module as follows:
> 
> Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

First point - avoid variants wherever possible. Try defining D and the 
function as dates.

> When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
> Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
> 
> This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in
a
> query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> The SQL is a follows:
> 
> SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> 
Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date]

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 09:41:34 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:41:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <443EECA4.28122.155C1299@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <443EEFBE.21403.15683123@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Apr 2006 at 0:28, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> 
> > I have a function in a module as follows:
> > 
> > Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant
> 
> First point - avoid variants wherever possible. Try defining D and the
> function as dates.
> 

Or more likely as integers :-(


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From fahooper at trapo.com  Thu Apr 13 09:42:58 2006
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:42:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <000001c65f08$8febf320$2e01a8c0@fredxp>

Hi Chester,

I've had intermittent problems for reasons I don't understand with functions
in queries. I would try two changes: 

(1) ProdPattern]![Date] <-- ProdPattern].[Date])
(2) Declare the function as Static, 
    e.g. Static Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

I've had both changes work for me, but sometime not.

Fred Hooper


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

I have a function in a module as follows:

Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

 

When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)

This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks

 

The SQL is a follows:

SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1

FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)

WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 09:48:07 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:48:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <443EF147.28755.156E30F7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

>> 
> SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> 
> FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
> (ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
> (ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
> 
> WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
> 

Just a WAG, but is [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  based on 
ProdPattern and does it contain the field ProdPattern.Date?

If so, try giving the Date field in the query an alias like "PDate:[Date]"

-- 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 09:53:23 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:53:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Well I have tried both the bang and the dot on [ProdPattern].[Date] and
declaring the function static and still it gives the error message.
Thanks for the ideas.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

Hi Chester,

I've had intermittent problems for reasons I don't understand with
functions
in queries. I would try two changes: 

(1) ProdPattern]![Date] <-- ProdPattern].[Date])
(2) Declare the function as Static, 
    e.g. Static Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

I've had both changes work for me, but sometime not.

Fred Hooper


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

I have a function in a module as follows:

Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

 

When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)

This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks

 

The SQL is a follows:

SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1

FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)

WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 09:58:04 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E859@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

No [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  is not based on the table
ProdPattern. I might try something with the date thing anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

On 13 Apr 2006 at 8:41, Kaup, Chester wrote:

>> 
> SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> 
> FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]
ON
> (ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
> (ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
> 
> WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
> 

Just a WAG, but is [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  based on 
ProdPattern and does it contain the field ProdPattern.Date?

If so, try giving the Date field in the query an alias like
"PDate:[Date]"

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 13 10:08:13 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:08:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E859@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <443EF5FD.9514.1580975A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Apr 2006 at 9:58, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> No [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  is not based on the table
> ProdPattern. I might try something with the date thing anyway.
> 

Do you by any chance have an "Expr1:" in [qry Pattern Days on Injection by 
Fluid] ?
-- 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 10:26:39 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:26:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E88B@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

No I don't have an "Expr1:" in [qry Pattern Days on Injection by 
Fluid] ?

Keep the ideas coming. I thought this should be simple. Silly me.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

On 13 Apr 2006 at 9:58, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> No [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid]  is not based on the table
> ProdPattern. I might try something with the date thing anyway.
> 

Do you by any chance have an "Expr1:" in [qry Pattern Days on Injection
by 
Fluid] ?
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 10:32:20 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:32:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F17537BEB64668CBB0CF94FD2C30@phx.gbl>

Chester,

I've seen all of the other ideas...how about just removing one field at a 
time from your select query until you find the offending field...then that 
might give some direction.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
>
>I have a function in a module as follows:
>
>Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant
>
>
>
>When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
>Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
>
>This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
>query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
>
>
>
>The SQL is a follows:
>
>SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
>ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
>DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
>
>FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
>(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
>(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
>
>WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
>
>
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
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>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 13 10:48:38 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:48:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E7F4@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <E1FU43q-0000kO-00@pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

 Change to 

 SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2(ProdPattern.[Date]) AS Expr1

  and BTW, it's a bad idea to use a reserved word as the name of a field
('Date').  Never know when something like that will give you a problem.
That may be the problem here.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

I have a function in a module as follows:

Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant

 

When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)

This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks

 

The SQL is a follows:

SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1

FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)

WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 11:13:27 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:13:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E8BA@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Shortened the query to the following. Changed the field name Date in the
table ProdPattern to RecordDate. Still get the same error. Tried the
function in the module and it worked fine. Thanks for the ideas.

SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
Expr1
FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1 ON
([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date =
ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

Chester,

I've seen all of the other ideas...how about just removing one field at
a 
time from your select query until you find the offending field...then
that 
might give some direction.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
>
>I have a function in a module as follows:
>
>Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant
>
>
>
>When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
>Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
>
>This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
>query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
>
>
>
>The SQL is a follows:
>
>SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
>ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
>DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
>
>FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
>(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
>(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
>
>WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
>
>
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
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>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 11:51:34 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:51:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E8BA@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F7799A0D96ACEFE94682AED2C30@phx.gbl>

Not sure if this is relevent...but I searched google...and found another 
list that had this discussion.  Theirs turned out that the public function 
being used in the query was in multiple locations in the db and causing the 
Ambiguous error.  Do you have another macro/form/module named DaysInMonth2?

Hope it helps,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:13:27 -0500
>
>Shortened the query to the following. Changed the field name Date in the
>table ProdPattern to RecordDate. Still get the same error. Tried the
>function in the module and it worked fine. Thanks for the ideas.
>
>SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
>Expr1
>FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1 ON
>([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date =
>ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:32 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>
>Chester,
>
>I've seen all of the other ideas...how about just removing one field at
>a
>time from your select query until you find the offending field...then
>that
>might give some direction.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
> >From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
> >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
> >
> >I have a function in a module as follows:
> >
> >Function DaysInMonth2(D As Variant) As Variant
> >
> >
> >
> >When I try to use the function in a query I get the message Ambiguous
> >Name in Query Expression (DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1)
> >
> >This is the first time I have tried to use a user defined function in a
> >query. I need some help on how to do this. Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >The SQL is a follows:
> >
> >SELECT ProdPattern.PID, ProdPattern.Date, ProdPattern.vm_wtri,
> >ProdPattern.vm_co2i, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by
> >Fluid].vm_dyswtri, [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].vm_dysco2i,
> >DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern]![Date]) AS Expr1
> >
> >FROM ProdPattern INNER JOIN [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] ON
> >(ProdPattern.PID = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].PID) AND
> >(ProdPattern.Date = [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].Date)
> >
> >WHERE (((ProdPattern.PID)=[Pattern Name]));
> >
> >
> >
> >Chester Kaup
> >
> >Engineering Technician
> >
> >Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> >
> >Office (432) 688-3797
> >
> >FAX (432) 688-3799
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Thu Apr 13 12:18:53 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:18:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFA4E@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Chester,

> ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible. 
> Try defining D and the function as dates ... 

While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
parameters defined as Variant, too. 

> ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...

Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
dot)

> ... Declare the function as Static ... 

While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
extra explicit, you can use: 

   Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)

Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
probably don't have a duplicate function definition. 

You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
error. 

Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
reserved words. 

-Ken


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 13:04:54 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E925@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Responses in blue and italics. Thanks everyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression


Chester,

> ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible. 
> Try defining D and the function as dates ... 

While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
parameters defined as Variant, too. 

Tried it both as variants and as date and integer. Error message still
appears.

> ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...

Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
dot)
Tried both dot and bang with same error message.

> ... Declare the function as Static ... 

While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
extra explicit, you can use: 

   Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)

Made this change and still get the error message.

Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
probably don't have a duplicate function definition. 

You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
error. 

Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
reserved words. 

Here is the latest short version of the query. Still get the error
message. Frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone.

SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
Expr1
FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1 ON
([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].ProdDate =
ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
-Ken
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 13:25:52 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E925@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F21541D9E778E65F426B4B4D2C30@phx.gbl>

One thing that has grabbed my attention from the Beginning was Expr1...have 
you tried naming this?...and second...if you remove the [qry Pattern Days on 
Injection by Fluid] from the join do you still get the error?

Mark


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:54 -0500
>
>Responses in blue and italics. Thanks everyone.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>
>
>Chester,
>
> > ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible.
> > Try defining D and the function as dates ...
>
>While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
>type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
>functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
>parameters defined as Variant, too.
>
>Tried it both as variants and as date and integer. Error message still
>appears.
>
> > ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...
>
>Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
>dot)
>Tried both dot and bang with same error message.
>
> > ... Declare the function as Static ...
>
>While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
>use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
>extra explicit, you can use:
>
>    Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)
>
>Made this change and still get the error message.
>
>Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
>probably don't have a duplicate function definition.
>
>You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
>Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
>without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
>in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
>decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
>error.
>
>Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
>SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
>'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
>reserved words.
>
>Here is the latest short version of the query. Still get the error
>message. Frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone.
>
>SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
>Expr1
>FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1 ON
>([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].ProdDate =
>ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
>-Ken
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 13:39:34 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E947@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Renamed EXP1 to DM and removed [qry Pattern Days on 
Injection by Fluid] from the query. Still wants to give an error.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

One thing that has grabbed my attention from the Beginning was
Expr1...have 
you tried naming this?...and second...if you remove the [qry Pattern
Days on 
Injection by Fluid] from the join do you still get the error?

Mark


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:54 -0500
>
>Responses in blue and italics. Thanks everyone.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>
>
>Chester,
>
> > ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible.
> > Try defining D and the function as dates ...
>
>While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
>type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
>functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
>parameters defined as Variant, too.
>
>Tried it both as variants and as date and integer. Error message still
>appears.
>
> > ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...
>
>Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
>dot)
>Tried both dot and bang with same error message.
>
> > ... Declare the function as Static ...
>
>While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
>use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
>extra explicit, you can use:
>
>    Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)
>
>Made this change and still get the error message.
>
>Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
>probably don't have a duplicate function definition.
>
>You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
>Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
>without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
>in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
>decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
>error.
>
>Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
>SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
>'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
>reserved words.
>
>Here is the latest short version of the query. Still get the error
>message. Frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone.
>
>SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
>Expr1
>FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1
ON
>([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].ProdDate =
>ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
>-Ken
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 13:46:03 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:46:03 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Calculate Pool Times
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E925@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1728C52799F054F361678CD2C30@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one 
is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials 
calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.  
The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 
22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be 
one tomorrow.

I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and rate. 
  Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

16:00-16:59 3$
17:00-18:59 0$
19:00-19:59 3$
20:00-21:59 1.5$
22:00-23:00 3$

I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the 
each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Apr 13 14:15:04 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:15:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220188E961@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem solved. Did some digging around and the function was in 2 of my
12 modules. Removed one. All works now. Thanks everyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression

One thing that has grabbed my attention from the Beginning was
Expr1...have 
you tried naming this?...and second...if you remove the [qry Pattern
Days on 
Injection by Fluid] from the join do you still get the error?

Mark


>From: "Kaup, Chester" <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:54 -0500
>
>Responses in blue and italics. Thanks everyone.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ambiguous Nmae in Query Expression
>
>
>Chester,
>
> > ... First point - avoid variants wherever possible.
> > Try defining D and the function as dates ...
>
>While good programming practice for regular VB coding, keep the Variant
>type in this case. Access Query columns always have type Variant, so
>functions that are meant to be used with queries should have all
>parameters defined as Variant, too.
>
>Tried it both as variants and as date and integer. Error message still
>appears.
>
> > ... Try a dot instead of a bang in [ProdPattern]![Date] ...
>
>Unlikely to help. Its just two ways of saying the same thing. (I use
>dot)
>Tried both dot and bang with same error message.
>
> > ... Declare the function as Static ...
>
>While Static can help improve the performance of functions written for
>use with queries, it won't solve your error message. But just to be
>extra explicit, you can use:
>
>    Public Static Function DaysInMonth2(ByRef D As Variant)
>
>Made this change and still get the error message.
>
>Since you tried the function in the module and it worked fine, you
>probably don't have a duplicate function definition.
>
>You still have a reserved word in your query: [qry Pattern Days on
>Injection by Fluid].Date. The Date function is syntactically valid
>without the ending (). When you introduced the DaysInMonth2() function
>in your query, Access looked for other function calls, and couldn't
>decide whether Date was a function or a field. Thus, the ambiguous name
>error.
>
>Never use field names that are the same as any VB built-in functions or
>SQL reserved words. I use compound field names, like 'ProdDate' or
>'PatternDate', to ensure that all field names are unique from any
>reserved words.
>
>Here is the latest short version of the query. Still get the error
>message. Frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone.
>
>SELECT ProdPattern1.PID, DaysInMonth2([ProdPattern1].[RecordDate]) AS
>Expr1
>FROM [qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid] INNER JOIN ProdPattern1
ON
>([qry Pattern Days on Injection by Fluid].ProdDate =
>ProdPattern1.RecordDate) AND ([qry Pattern Days on Injection by
>Fluid].PID = ProdPattern1.PID);
>-Ken
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Apr 13 14:08:51 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:08:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
In-Reply-To: <25826362.1144954207369.JavaMail.root@sniper16>
Message-ID: <000001c65f2d$b3da40f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Mark,

I just finished a weekend days count function, and what you're doing is very
similar, and your approach is fine.  You max loop size is 24.  You can look
up 'Count Weekend Days' in the AccessD archive.  There you will find Drew
Wutka's magic code.

And - make a separate form to be able to manage your rates (which should be
in a lookup table), and I think it will work well.  Your lookup table should
have 24 rows, assuming you will always change rates on the hour.

Dan 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times

Hello All,

I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one 
is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials 
calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.

The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 
22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be 
one tomorrow.

I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and rate.

  Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

16:00-16:59 3$
17:00-18:59 0$
19:00-19:59 3$
20:00-21:59 1.5$
22:00-23:00 3$

I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the 
each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Apr 13 15:15:01 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:15:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A7002@main2.marlow.com>

Why not make it easier on yourself, and create a table based on minutes.

If it's $3 an hour from 1600 to 1659, that's 60 minutes, thus $.05 a minute.
Why not create a table that like

1600 .05
1601 .05
1602 .05
....

1700 0
1701 0

....
2000 .025
2001 .025
2002 .025

....
2200 .05
2201 .05

Etc.  Then, to calculate how much someone owes, you create a query that
includes all of the 'minutes' played, and do a sum on the charge field.
Whalla.  It would be pretty easy to 'populate' such a table from a nice form
that would allow for new 'specials'.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times

Hello All,

I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one 
is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials 
calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.

The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 
22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be 
one tomorrow.

I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and rate.

  Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

16:00-16:59 3$
17:00-18:59 0$
19:00-19:59 3$
20:00-21:59 1.5$
22:00-23:00 3$

I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the 
each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 15:48:47 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:48:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
Message-ID: <BAY114-F29B49217A9EBE1C4A2935CD2C30@phx.gbl>

Drew,

That is absolutely perfect...I think...at first glance...I don't even have 
to loop through to figure out what price...and this looks like a legitimate 
reason to use a Cartesian join?

Thanks,

Mark




>From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:15:01 -0500
>
>Why not make it easier on yourself, and create a table based on minutes.
>
>If it's $3 an hour from 1600 to 1659, that's 60 minutes, thus $.05 a 
>minute.
>Why not create a table that like
>
>1600 .05
>1601 .05
>1602 .05
>....
>
>1700 0
>1701 0
>
>....
>2000 .025
>2001 .025
>2002 .025
>
>....
>2200 .05
>2201 .05
>
>Etc.  Then, to calculate how much someone owes, you create a query that
>includes all of the 'minutes' played, and do a sum on the charge field.
>Whalla.  It would be pretty easy to 'populate' such a table from a nice 
>form
>that would allow for new 'specials'.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>
>Hello All,
>
>I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one
>is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials
>calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.
>
>The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to
>22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be
>one tomorrow.
>
>I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and 
>rate.
>
>   Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:
>
>16:00-16:59 3$
>17:00-18:59 0$
>19:00-19:59 3$
>20:00-21:59 1.5$
>22:00-23:00 3$
>
>I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the
>each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?
>
>Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Apr 13 15:54:21 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A7008@main2.marlow.com>

The only catch would be if it goes past midnight.  If that's the case, just
put an arbitrary date into the time field, say 1-1-1899.  Then when you do
the query, set the start date to 'CurrentDate'-'whatever would take it to
1-1-1899.  However, I doubt you would have a pool hall open 24 hours, so it
may be easier to assign a third 'order' field, which would probably be
easier.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times

Drew,

That is absolutely perfect...I think...at first glance...I don't even have 
to loop through to figure out what price...and this looks like a legitimate 
reason to use a Cartesian join?

Thanks,

Mark




>From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:15:01 -0500
>
>Why not make it easier on yourself, and create a table based on minutes.
>
>If it's $3 an hour from 1600 to 1659, that's 60 minutes, thus $.05 a 
>minute.
>Why not create a table that like
>
>1600 .05
>1601 .05
>1602 .05
>....
>
>1700 0
>1701 0
>
>....
>2000 .025
>2001 .025
>2002 .025
>
>....
>2200 .05
>2201 .05
>
>Etc.  Then, to calculate how much someone owes, you create a query that
>includes all of the 'minutes' played, and do a sum on the charge field.
>Whalla.  It would be pretty easy to 'populate' such a table from a nice 
>form
>that would allow for new 'specials'.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>
>Hello All,
>
>I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one
>is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials
>calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.
>
>The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to
>22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be
>one tomorrow.
>
>I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and 
>rate.
>
>   Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:
>
>16:00-16:59 3$
>17:00-18:59 0$
>19:00-19:59 3$
>20:00-21:59 1.5$
>22:00-23:00 3$
>
>I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the
>each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?
>
>Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 13 16:31:10 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:31:10 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It's Friday here already - 1:27 a.m. - some technical
	humor - Why I hate frameworks....
Message-ID: <000701c65f41$b49403f0$6501a8c0@Nant>

http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12

<quote>
So this week, we're introducing a general-purpose tool-building factory 
factory factory, so that all of your different tool factory factories can be 
produced by a single, unified factory. The factory factory factory will 
produce only the tool factory factories that you actually need, and each of 
those factory factories will produce a single factory based on your custom 
tool specifications. The final set of tools that emerge from this process 
will be the ideal tools for your particular project. You'll have *exactly* 
the hammer you need, and exactly the right tape measure for your task, all 
at the press of a button (though you may also have to deploy a few 
*configuration files* to make it all work according to your expectations).
</quote>

Have fun!

Shamil



From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Apr 13 16:37:47 2006
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:37:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access To Excel - Best Practices For Protecting Formulas
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F29B49217A9EBE1C4A2935CD2C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <071a01c65f42$82151da0$026fa8c0@stormy>

 Hi:

Hopefully this will be my last message on this subject (much thanks to Jim
Hale and the rest of the list for helping me with my Access to Excel VBA
woes). I'm building a pretty complex workbook from Access (multiple
worksheets, using named ranges in formulas), and everything is working fine,
data is coming down from access, my template correctly formats the results
(conditional formatting even works!) and I'm pretty happy. 

Since we're getting ready to roll this out to the sales dept, I'm wondering
what is the best way to protect all of my formulas from someone
inadvertantly deleting or altering them? While I have some of the cells on
the workbook that can be edited, the majority are formulas that need to be
protected. Can I do this sort of selective protection in VBA?

Thanks in advance for any hints.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314.432.5886
fx. 314.432.3304




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Apr 13 16:37:29 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:37:29 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - CD Writer Software
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060414093407.01a44d38@dalyn.co.nz>

Team,

Looking for suggestions.  I have Nero 5 which is playing up (not 
burning - possibly due to recent Microsoft Office SP2 updates) and 
the Nero website doesn't seem to support it any more.

I am looking for a replacement CD burner program so that I can back 
up my development files onto CD.  Nothing fancy, just free.

Any suggestions?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand 



From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr 13 17:40:58 2006
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:40:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access To Excel - Best Practices For Protecting
	Formulas
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A05CA7044@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Larry, 

I've not done this from the Access side, but here's a little procedure
that I keep in my Excel macro stash to invoke protection on the current
workbook.  It can probably be used to do what you're trying to do.

As for the selective protection, each cell in a workbook has a
"protected" property that can be set using the cell's formatting
interface.  When you apply protection, only those cells flagged for
protection will be locked down.  This allows you to be selective with
your protection.  Again, I'm sure you could programatically select a
range of cells, set the protection flags for the range, and then apply
protection using this code.  Bear in mind that you'd have to
programatically un-protect the book to make any automated mods to it
after it's been locked down.

Hope this helps . . .

Don McGillivray


Sub SecureSheets()
'----------------------------------------------------
'This code protects all tabs in the active workbook,
'using the password specified below
'----------------------------------------------------

Dim intCounter As Integer
Dim intSheets As Integer
Dim strPwd As String

intSheets = ActiveWorkbook.Worksheets.Count
'Specify the desired password between the quotes in the line below

        strPwd = "password"

For intCounter = 1 To intSheets
    ActiveWorkbook.Worksheets(intCounter).Protect password:=strPwd
Next
End Sub




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 13 21:14:26 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:14:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <000301c65f69$2890f070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection)
End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Apr 13 21:49:45 2006
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:49:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
References: <000301c65f69$2890f070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <022401c65f6e$17bcd390$6401a8c0@default>

> Function TestFWMemLeak()
>    While 1
>        DoEvents
>        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
>    Wend
> End Function
> Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection)
> End Function

This may be way off target, but you don't seem to want to use either 
SET or NEW, as in Set adoConnection = New ADODB.Connection
Maybe it's doing for you and causing the leak?



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 13 22:23:42 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:23:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A7008@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F187C58CC31D734D1A9D184D2C00@phx.gbl>

Ive thought about that...I plan on building the table with just times...and 
append the current date to the beginning of the time...and do the difference 
with the date involved...this should account for date change.

Thanks again for the ideas.

Mark


>From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:21 -0500
>
>The only catch would be if it goes past midnight.  If that's the case, just
>put an arbitrary date into the time field, say 1-1-1899.  Then when you do
>the query, set the start date to 'CurrentDate'-'whatever would take it to
>1-1-1899.  However, I doubt you would have a pool hall open 24 hours, so it
>may be easier to assign a third 'order' field, which would probably be
>easier.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:49 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>
>Drew,
>
>That is absolutely perfect...I think...at first glance...I don't even have
>to loop through to figure out what price...and this looks like a legitimate
>reason to use a Cartesian join?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>
> >From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
> >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:15:01 -0500
> >
> >Why not make it easier on yourself, and create a table based on minutes.
> >
> >If it's $3 an hour from 1600 to 1659, that's 60 minutes, thus $.05 a
> >minute.
> >Why not create a table that like
> >
> >1600 .05
> >1601 .05
> >1602 .05
> >....
> >
> >1700 0
> >1701 0
> >
> >....
> >2000 .025
> >2001 .025
> >2002 .025
> >
> >....
> >2200 .05
> >2201 .05
> >
> >Etc.  Then, to calculate how much someone owes, you create a query that
> >includes all of the 'minutes' played, and do a sum on the charge field.
> >Whalla.  It would be pretty easy to 'populate' such a table from a nice
> >form
> >that would allow for new 'specials'.
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some 
>one
> >is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials
> >calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 
>23:00.
> >
> >The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to
> >22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be
> >one tomorrow.
> >
> >I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and
> >rate.
> >
> >   Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:
> >
> >16:00-16:59 3$
> >17:00-18:59 0$
> >19:00-19:59 3$
> >20:00-21:59 1.5$
> >22:00-23:00 3$
> >
> >I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the
> >each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?
> >
> >Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark A. Matte
> >
> >
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From ecritt1 at alltel.net  Fri Apr 14 05:24:13 2006
From: ecritt1 at alltel.net (Penn White)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:24:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: WAN/VPN network over Broadband
References: <0INK00H0WYQGI2@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <004a01c65fad$93e4e3b0$0302a8c0@pennp4>

Jim,

This goes back to last September.  I have just done some reading on 
replication of mdb's but I still don't understand how to do it over the 
telephone (ie. broadband - DSL).  The remote site only needs read, not edit 
or delete, capabilities but I don't suppose that would have anything to do 
with the backend database, I just mean that a daily replica would be fine. 
It doesn't have to be real-time.

Penn

> It all depends on what the two offices want to share. I have to assume as
> you are asking within an Access forum that you are looking database
> solution. The simplest database sharing method, as they have broadband,
> would be two Access versions, one for each site and a replication between
> them. 



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Apr 14 07:19:38 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:19:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362553E@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

You can create an executable - no more sagekey or that second rate
Access Deployment Package Wizard. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List

Hi Karen - what is one click?

Kath
----- Original Message -----
From: "Long, Karen S." <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List


>I am looking for one, too. VS 2005 is the most exciting product I have

>worked with since Access came out.  It is incredible.  There does not  
>seem to be much in the way of documentation yet.  Seems when I google  
>something, I get messages that the documentation is *coming soon*.  Did

>you run into *one click* yet?  Every feature is a treat - I actually  
>spent 20 straight hours last weekend tied to my PC and this product.
>
>
> Karen S. Long
> Programmer Analyst
> EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
> Pittsburgh, PA
> Phone: 412-386-6649
> Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
> Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 PM
> To: Access D SQl Server List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
> List
>
> (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
> I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have 
> found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute 
> god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through 
> this learning curve....
>
> But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual 
> Basic
> 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - 
> very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a 
> book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any
recommendations?
>
> (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that 
> that it is more of a reference book.)
>
> (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is 
> there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
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From marcus at tsstech.com  Fri Apr 14 07:29:20 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:29:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A35@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

I have a solution that uses only SQL statements...

Tables needed:

Discount
========
 DiscountID           AutoNumber
 Description          Text
 StartDateTime        Date/time
 EndDateTime          Date/Time
 RatePerHour          Currency   (amount to discount off standard rate)

TableTime
=========
 TableTimeID          Autonumber
 Person               Text
 StartDateTime        Date/Time
 EndDateTime          Date/Time

Queries:

StandardRate
============

SELECT TableTimeID,
       Person,
       "Standard Time" AS Description,
       StartDateTime,
       EndDateTime,
       3 AS RatePerHour,
       DateDiff("n",StartDateTime,EndDateTime)/60 AS Hours
       RatePerHour*Hours AS Amount
FROM TableTime

PlayerDiscounts
===============

SELECT T.TableTimeID,
       T.Person,
       D.Description,
       IIF(D.StartDateTime<T.StartDateTime,
           T.StartDateTime,D.StartDateTime) AS Start,
       IIF(D.EndDateTime<T.EndDateTime,
           D.EndDateTime,T.EndDateTime) AS End,
       D.RatePerHour,
       DateDiff("n", IIf(D.StartDateTime<T.StartDateTime,
                         T.StartDateTime,
                         D.StartDateTime),
                     IIf(D.EndDateTime<T.EndDateTime,
                         D.[EndDateTime],
                         T.EndDateTime))/60 AS Hours,
       RatePerHour*Hours AS Amount
FROM TableTime T, Discount D
WHERE (D.StartDateTime<=T.EndDateTime) AND
      (D.EndDateTime>=T.StartDateTime)
ORDER BY T.TableTimeID

PlayerCharges
=============

SELECT * FROM StandardRate
UNION
SELECT * FROM PlayerDiscounts

TotalCharges
============

SELECT TableTimeID,
       Person,
       Sum(Amount) AS Total
FROM PlayerCharges
GROUP BY TableTimeID, Person

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times

Hello All,

I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some
one 
is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials 
calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to
23:00.

The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 
22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only
be 
one tomorrow.

I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and
rate.

  Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

16:00-16:59 3$
17:00-18:59 0$
19:00-19:59 3$
20:00-21:59 1.5$
22:00-23:00 3$

I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to
the 
each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 14 09:22:10 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:22:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A35@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F21D37742A29C81B3E415FBD2C00@phx.gbl>

Scott,

Thanks for the example.  I'll put it against the 'Cartesian join' approach 
with a list of times...and see if I can find some benifits in one or the 
other.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Scott Marcus" <marcus at tsstech.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:29:20 -0400
>
>I have a solution that uses only SQL statements...
>
>Tables needed:
>
>Discount
>========
>  DiscountID           AutoNumber
>  Description          Text
>  StartDateTime        Date/time
>  EndDateTime          Date/Time
>  RatePerHour          Currency   (amount to discount off standard rate)
>
>TableTime
>=========
>  TableTimeID          Autonumber
>  Person               Text
>  StartDateTime        Date/Time
>  EndDateTime          Date/Time
>
>Queries:
>
>StandardRate
>============
>
>SELECT TableTimeID,
>        Person,
>        "Standard Time" AS Description,
>        StartDateTime,
>        EndDateTime,
>        3 AS RatePerHour,
>        DateDiff("n",StartDateTime,EndDateTime)/60 AS Hours
>        RatePerHour*Hours AS Amount
>FROM TableTime
>
>PlayerDiscounts
>===============
>
>SELECT T.TableTimeID,
>        T.Person,
>        D.Description,
>        IIF(D.StartDateTime<T.StartDateTime,
>            T.StartDateTime,D.StartDateTime) AS Start,
>        IIF(D.EndDateTime<T.EndDateTime,
>            D.EndDateTime,T.EndDateTime) AS End,
>        D.RatePerHour,
>        DateDiff("n", IIf(D.StartDateTime<T.StartDateTime,
>                          T.StartDateTime,
>                          D.StartDateTime),
>                      IIf(D.EndDateTime<T.EndDateTime,
>                          D.[EndDateTime],
>                          T.EndDateTime))/60 AS Hours,
>        RatePerHour*Hours AS Amount
>FROM TableTime T, Discount D
>WHERE (D.StartDateTime<=T.EndDateTime) AND
>       (D.EndDateTime>=T.StartDateTime)
>ORDER BY T.TableTimeID
>
>PlayerCharges
>=============
>
>SELECT * FROM StandardRate
>UNION
>SELECT * FROM PlayerDiscounts
>
>TotalCharges
>============
>
>SELECT TableTimeID,
>        Person,
>        Sum(Amount) AS Total
>FROM PlayerCharges
>GROUP BY TableTimeID, Person
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>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
>
>Hello All,
>
>I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some
>one
>is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials
>calculate automatically.  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to
>23:00.
>
>The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to
>22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only
>be
>one tomorrow.
>
>I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and
>rate.
>
>   Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:
>
>16:00-16:59 3$
>17:00-18:59 0$
>19:00-19:59 3$
>20:00-21:59 1.5$
>22:00-23:00 3$
>
>I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to
>the
>each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?
>
>Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Fri Apr 14 09:40:57 2006
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:40:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <000e01c65e71$bf05c6a0$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEKFEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Thanks again.
BTW, I enjoy your articles in the Advisor.

bob


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


Yes. 

Susan H. 

thanks for the quick response.
can I use some wild card chars in the Where .....?

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Apr 14 09:51:10 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:51:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access To Excel - Best Practices For Protecting
	For	mulas
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB8E@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Larry,
Here is a code snippet I use:
With appexcel
 If strPW <> "none" Then 'set password
     For i = 1 To .Sheets.Count
        .Worksheets(i).Protect Password:=strPW
    Next i
        .Sheets("instruc").Unprotect Password:=strPW
        .Sheets("assumptions").Unprotect Password:=strPW
    End If
end with
 This will lock all cells that have the lock flag checked. To unlock cells
so that they can be used for input go <format><cells><protection>uncheck
<locked>. BTW the xlSheetVeryHidden constant can be used to hide sheets so
they cannot be seen  by the user at all. I use this to hide sheets where
I've placed special formulas, indexes, Password, etc that the user never
needs to see. HTH
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Mrazek [mailto:lmrazek at lcm-res.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access To Excel - Best Practices For Protecting
Formulas


 Hi:

Hopefully this will be my last message on this subject (much thanks to Jim
Hale and the rest of the list for helping me with my Access to Excel VBA
woes). I'm building a pretty complex workbook from Access (multiple
worksheets, using named ranges in formulas), and everything is working fine,
data is coming down from access, my template correctly formats the results
(conditional formatting even works!) and I'm pretty happy. 

Since we're getting ready to roll this out to the sales dept, I'm wondering
what is the best way to protect all of my formulas from someone
inadvertantly deleting or altering them? While I have some of the cells on
the workbook that can be edited, the majority are formulas that need to be
protected. Can I do this sort of selective protection in VBA?

Thanks in advance for any hints.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314.432.5886
fx. 314.432.3304


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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr 14 10:05:19 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:05:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
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Thanks! I appreciate that! Fortunately, a number of you have great ideas
that need sharing! You may have noticed that a number of those articles have
accessd co-authors. :) 

Susan H. 

Thanks again.
BTW, I enjoy your articles in the Advisor.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 14 14:20:02 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:20:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <000301c65f69$2890f070$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXQ000QU8C5FXN1@l-daemon>

Hi John:

I would think that it would at the least and at the most consume all
available memory. 

The call to the ' FWInit CurrentProject.Connection ' should either be above
or below the 'While' loop.

A better was to the loop would be 
 
Function TestFWMemLeak()
    Dim BreakLoop as Boolean
	
    BreakLoop = True
	
    While BreakLoop = True
        DoEvents
        BreakLoop = FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function

Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) As Boolean

    ... 'etc....
    
    FWInit = False
	
End Function

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection)
End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Apr 14 15:54:35 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:54:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEKFEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <000001c66005$a33f1080$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 14 16:15:46 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:15:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000001c66005$a33f1080$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>
Message-ID: <0IXQ0008ODP13CN0@l-daemon>

Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Apr 14 16:32:03 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:32:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <0IXQ0008ODP13CN0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000001c6600a$df321a60$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 14 16:37:33 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:37:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <0IXQ000QU8C5FXN1@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000001c6600b$a4dc0ff0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>

Jim,

The point is to demonstrate that a simple call to a function, passing in a
reference to the connection object, CAUSES a memory leak.  When passing
anything other than a simple data type in to a function, VBA passes by
reference, i.e. a pointer to the object.  Passing by reference causes the
pointer to the object to be placed onto the stack being built for the
function call.  When the code inside of the function starts to execute, it
can reference these objects on the stack.  As the function exits, the stack
is supposed to be cleaned up by the interpreter, destroying all pointers to
objects on the stack.

Thus my code should not consume ANY memory long term.  Pass in a pointer to
an ADO recordset instead of the ADO connection object.  There is no memory
leak (as there should not be).

All my code is doing is calling a function over and over.  IF the stack is
cleaned up properly, NO memory is used.  Change the data type to a string, a
long, a variant etc.  You will see NO memory leak.  Pass in a pointer to an
ADO connection and you will see a memory leak.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Hi John:

I would think that it would at the least and at the most consume all
available memory. 

The call to the ' FWInit CurrentProject.Connection ' should either be above
or below the 'While' loop.

A better was to the loop would be 
 
Function TestFWMemLeak()
    Dim BreakLoop as Boolean
	
    BreakLoop = True
	
    While BreakLoop = True
        DoEvents
        BreakLoop = FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function

Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) As Boolean

    ... 'etc....
    
    FWInit = False
	
End Function

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 14 16:40:29 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <022401c65f6e$17bcd390$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <000101c6600c$0d61dff0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>

I am attempting to demonstrate a memory leak.  I simplified to the bare
minimum and still see a memory leak.  That is ALL that my code (as shown in
the email) is for. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

> Function TestFWMemLeak()
>    While 1
>        DoEvents
>        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
>    Wend
> End Function
> Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

This may be way off target, but you don't seem to want to use either SET or
NEW, as in Set adoConnection = New ADODB.Connection Maybe it's doing for you
and causing the leak?

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From max at sherman.org.uk  Fri Apr 14 16:42:50 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:42:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000001c6600a$df321a60$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>
Message-ID: <000701c6600c$61ed6620$dd6b1152@Max>

Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it from a
text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  That should
clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and import it into that
(but link the tables it uses first so that the import function *finds* the
tables it refers to).  Both these work for me from time to time.

Regards

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 14 16:52:01 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:52:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
Message-ID: <000f01c6600d$aa5709b0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>

What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full on
adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to print to
this.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Apr 14 16:55:58 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:55:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000701c6600c$61ed6620$dd6b1152@Max>
Message-ID: <000001c6600e$369682c0$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Hi Max,

Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I seem
to remember something about there being a limit on the size of queries, but
have not found anything specific.

I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user friendly
manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this way.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Doug

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it from a
text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  That should
clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and import it into that
(but link the tables it uses first so that the import function *finds* the
tables it refers to).  Both these work for me from time to time.

Regards

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From max at sherman.org.uk  Fri Apr 14 17:13:39 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:13:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWZt4UlhGRNs4nf35oT6aTEOCMA
Message-ID: <001001c66010$b038e620$dd6b1152@Max>

Doug, that just doesn't make sense.  Either you have something wrong with
you installation of Access (try importing it as a txt file on another
machine if possible) or open it with notepad and then save it again having
made some alteration so that it actually saves a new version.  

If it runs but doesn't open for edits then that is so weird.  

Another thing you could try is to create a new DB and import it and THEN
create a new form with that as the recordsource and then create a command
button from the wizard selecting the option to filter by form - there are
two wizards there, so try them both.  

If no success, then open it in notepad, select all (Ctl-A) and then on the
new DB create a new query, select nothing,  click on SQL on the  toolbar and
paste it into that,  before running it, select the option for design and see
if it opens.

Regards

Max

Ps. Although this has come from my home email address, please reply to my
work Email address (max.sherman at mga-charity.org) as I will still be picking
up my email


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:56
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Max,

Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I seem
to remember something about there being a limit on the size of queries, but
have not found anything specific.

I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user friendly
manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this way.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Doug

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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it from a
text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  That should
clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and import it into that
(but link the tables it uses first so that the import function *finds* the
tables it refers to).  Both these work for me from time to time.

Regards

Max


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


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From max at sherman.org.uk  Fri Apr 14 17:47:16 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:47:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <000001c6600b$a4dc0ff0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001101c66015$6221a670$dd6b1152@Max>

John, what you are saying is correct.  This is what should happen.  Please
(if you can) report it to MS.  No telling how widespread this is.  You have
isolated one instance but who can tell how many others (?).  No wonder we
all experience weird behavior completely unexplainable, from time to time.
Bet it is written in C or C+.


Regards

Max



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 14 April 2006 22:38
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Jim,

The point is to demonstrate that a simple call to a function, passing in a
reference to the connection object, CAUSES a memory leak.  When passing
anything other than a simple data type in to a function, VBA passes by
reference, i.e. a pointer to the object.  Passing by reference causes the
pointer to the object to be placed onto the stack being built for the
function call.  When the code inside of the function starts to execute, it
can reference these objects on the stack.  As the function exits, the stack
is supposed to be cleaned up by the interpreter, destroying all pointers to
objects on the stack.

Thus my code should not consume ANY memory long term.  Pass in a pointer to
an ADO recordset instead of the ADO connection object.  There is no memory
leak (as there should not be).

All my code is doing is calling a function over and over.  IF the stack is
cleaned up properly, NO memory is used.  Change the data type to a string, a
long, a variant etc.  You will see NO memory leak.  Pass in a pointer to an
ADO connection and you will see a memory leak.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Hi John:

I would think that it would at the least and at the most consume all
available memory. 

The call to the ' FWInit CurrentProject.Connection ' should either be above
or below the 'While' loop.

A better was to the loop would be 
 
Function TestFWMemLeak()
    Dim BreakLoop as Boolean
	
    BreakLoop = True
	
    While BreakLoop = True
        DoEvents
        BreakLoop = FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function

Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) As Boolean

    ... 'etc....
    
    FWInit = False
	
End Function

Jim

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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Apr 14 18:31:26 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:31:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFD2E@aries.TexasSystems.local>


John, 

I tried various ways of fixing it. In the FWInit function, closing the
connection and setting it to nothing didn't help. In fact, you can
demonstrate the leak with just: 

    Function TestFWMemLeak_0()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            Set rConn = CurrentProject.Connection
        Wend
    End Function

This code leaked very slowly (growing from 16,900 KB to 17,348 in about
2 hours):

    Function TestFWNoLeak_0()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            Set rConn = New ADODB.Connection
            rConn.Open CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString
            FWInit rConn
            rConn.Close
            Set rConn = Nothing
        Wend
    End Function

But this code doesn't leak much at all: 

    Function TestFWMemLeak_1()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        Set rConn = CurrentProject.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            FWInit rConn
        Wend
    End Function

I let it run over lunch, and the memory usage went from 16,708 KB to
16,776. Another test, for several hours, went from 19436 to 19496.

So, the moral of the story seems to be: set the
CurrentProject.Connection to a ADODB.Connection variable before you pass
it to another subroutine. 

My guess is that CurrentProject.Connection is not a stable, long-term
object, in the sense of the DAO CurrentDB(). ADO connections are meant
to be temporary, and Access probably makes a new one from scratch every
time you refer to it. 
 
Help for "Connection Property" bears this out: 

Notes:  The Connection property actually returns a reference to a COPY
of the ActiveX Data Object (ADO) connection for the active database ...

This prevents you from closing or altering Access' own private
connection, but has the unfortunate side effect of being unable to close
the copy, thus the leak. 

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the
memory usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs
steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though
not this specific issue.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr 14 18:36:17 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:36:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6600d$aa5709b0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <4440BE91.16113.316AA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Apr 2006 at 17:52, John Colby wrote:

> What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full on
> adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to print to
> this.
> 

Installing the full Adobe creates a printer called "Adobe PDF". It's just a 
case of setting the report to print to that specific printer instead of  
the default printer.

By default, Adobe  is set up to request a file name when you create the 
document.  

If you want to automate printing with no user intervention, you need to 
change the option "Prompt for Adobe Filename" in the printer properties 
under "General - Printing Preferences... - Adobe PDF Settings"
In this case the PDF  will be printed into the default directory for the 
printer and will have the same name as the report plus a .PDF extension.  
The Default directory is specified under "Properties - Ports" for the 
printer.

If you want the reports saved to a different directory, you need to set up 
another copy of the printer with a different default directory.

If you want a different name for the file, you need to make a copy of the 
report with an appropriate name, print that copy and then delete it.

Something like:
strReportName = "DailyReport" & Format$(Date(),"yymmdd")
Docmd.CopyObject ,strReportName,acReport,"rptDailyReport"
Docmd.Open strReportName
Docmd.DeleteObject acReport,strReportName

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr 14 18:43:34 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:43:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFD2E@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <4440C046.19325.38122F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Apr 2006 at 18:31, Ken Ismert wrote:

 
> Notes:  The Connection property actually returns a reference to a COPY
> of the ActiveX Data Object (ADO) connection for the active database ...
> 

In other words every call to  FWInit CurrentProject.Connection creates a 
new copy of the connection. 

So it's a feature, not a bug  :-)

Looks like the work around is to specifically make a copy of 
CurrentProject.Connection  and call that with FWInit.




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 14 19:48:05 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:48:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <000001c6600b$a4dc0ff0$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IXQ003ELNIWG930@l-daemon>

John:

You have definitely demonstrated a memory leak. There appears to be some
unresolved problems with the Access object handler. Is there just another
pointer created when a duplicate object is created, similar to when using
the 'clone' method or is the new object recreated in its entirety? 

All that I am saying it is unlikely that you or I would have caused a
similar error without trying.

Jim

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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Jim,

The point is to demonstrate that a simple call to a function, passing in a
reference to the connection object, CAUSES a memory leak.  When passing
anything other than a simple data type in to a function, VBA passes by
reference, i.e. a pointer to the object.  Passing by reference causes the
pointer to the object to be placed onto the stack being built for the
function call.  When the code inside of the function starts to execute, it
can reference these objects on the stack.  As the function exits, the stack
is supposed to be cleaned up by the interpreter, destroying all pointers to
objects on the stack.

Thus my code should not consume ANY memory long term.  Pass in a pointer to
an ADO recordset instead of the ADO connection object.  There is no memory
leak (as there should not be).

All my code is doing is calling a function over and over.  IF the stack is
cleaned up properly, NO memory is used.  Change the data type to a string, a
long, a variant etc.  You will see NO memory leak.  Pass in a pointer to an
ADO connection and you will see a memory leak.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak

Hi John:

I would think that it would at the least and at the most consume all
available memory. 

The call to the ' FWInit CurrentProject.Connection ' should either be above
or below the 'While' loop.

A better was to the loop would be 
 
Function TestFWMemLeak()
    Dim BreakLoop as Boolean
	
    BreakLoop = True
	
    While BreakLoop = True
        DoEvents
        BreakLoop = FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function

Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) As Boolean

    ... 'etc....
    
    FWInit = False
	
End Function

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

John W. Colby
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 14 19:50:15 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:50:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000001c6600a$df321a60$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>
Message-ID: <0IXQ000IUNMHOH60@l-daemon>

Doug: 

Oh,

Would it be a security setting? Queries can be set to allow execution but
not reading.

Jim 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Hi Jim,

I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
view.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Hi Doug:

Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
function from the query.

This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
versions of Access and queries.

HTH
Jim  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.

Folks,

I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
work on this thing?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Doug

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 14 21:04:06 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:04:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFD2E@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <001d01c66030$e177cf60$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>

Fascinating stuff.  Just goes to show how badly VBA's "garbage collector"
sucks.  We are all told that when the last reference to an object closes,
the object is destroyed and the garbage collector will reclaim the memory.
We all also know that cleaning up behind ourselves (by specifically calling
close where one exists, and setting the pointer to nothing) often is a good
idea.  This just demonstrates that even that won't necessarily reclaim the
memory. 

Good info there.  Thanks.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak


John, 

I tried various ways of fixing it. In the FWInit function, closing the
connection and setting it to nothing didn't help. In fact, you can
demonstrate the leak with just: 

    Function TestFWMemLeak_0()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            Set rConn = CurrentProject.Connection
        Wend
    End Function

This code leaked very slowly (growing from 16,900 KB to 17,348 in about
2 hours):

    Function TestFWNoLeak_0()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            Set rConn = New ADODB.Connection
            rConn.Open CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString
            FWInit rConn
            rConn.Close
            Set rConn = Nothing
        Wend
    End Function

But this code doesn't leak much at all: 

    Function TestFWMemLeak_1()
        Dim rConn As ADODB.Connection
        Set rConn = CurrentProject.Connection
        While 1
            DoEvents
            FWInit rConn
        Wend
    End Function

I let it run over lunch, and the memory usage went from 16,708 KB to 16,776.
Another test, for several hours, went from 19436 to 19496.

So, the moral of the story seems to be: set the CurrentProject.Connection to
a ADODB.Connection variable before you pass it to another subroutine. 

My guess is that CurrentProject.Connection is not a stable, long-term
object, in the sense of the DAO CurrentDB(). ADO connections are meant to be
temporary, and Access probably makes a new one from scratch every time you
refer to it. 
 
Help for "Connection Property" bears this out: 

Notes:  The Connection property actually returns a reference to a COPY of
the ActiveX Data Object (ADO) connection for the active database ...

This prevents you from closing or altering Access' own private connection,
but has the unfortunate side effect of being unable to close the copy, thus
the leak. 

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak

I have just discovered that the following code causes a memory leak:

Function TestFWMemLeak()
    While 1
        DoEvents
        FWInit CurrentProject.Connection
    Wend
End Function
Public Function FWInit(lCodeProjConn As ADODB.Connection) End Function

Open task manager and keep it on top.  Find MSAccess and watch the memory
usage.  As you run TestFWMemLeak the memory usage climbs steadily.

When I google "memory leak ADODB.Connection" I get a ton of hits, though not
this specific issue.

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 15 00:11:37 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:11:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
References: <001001c66010$b038e620$dd6b1152@Max>
Message-ID: <44408089.8060400@shaw.ca>

Try this to save query to a text file
Application.SaveAsText acQuery, "MyQuery", "c:\temp\myquery.txt"
then in a new mdb
Application.LoadFromText acQuery, "Catalog", "c:\temp\myquery.txt"
The text file will be the QBF definition not the actual SQL string
if you want that try
Sub test()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim qdf As QueryDef
Set db = CurrentDb
Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("MyQuery")
Debug.Print qdf.SQL
End Sub

Max Home wrote:

>Doug, that just doesn't make sense.  Either you have something wrong with
>you installation of Access (try importing it as a txt file on another
>machine if possible) or open it with notepad and then save it again having
>made some alteration so that it actually saves a new version.  
>
>If it runs but doesn't open for edits then that is so weird.  
>
>Another thing you could try is to create a new DB and import it and THEN
>create a new form with that as the recordsource and then create a command
>button from the wizard selecting the option to filter by form - there are
>two wizards there, so try them both.  
>
>If no success, then open it in notepad, select all (Ctl-A) and then on the
>new DB create a new query, select nothing,  click on SQL on the  toolbar and
>paste it into that,  before running it, select the option for design and see
>if it opens.
>
>Regards
>
>Max
>
>Ps. Although this has come from my home email address, please reply to my
>work Email address (max.sherman at mga-charity.org) as I will still be picking
>up my email
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: 14 April 2006 22:56
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>Hi Max,
>
>Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I seem
>to remember something about there being a limit on the size of queries, but
>have not found anything specific.
>
>I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user friendly
>manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this way.
>
>Thank you for your thoughts.
>
>Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>
>Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it from a
>text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  That should
>clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and import it into that
>(but link the tables it uses first so that the import function *finds* the
>tables it refers to).  Both these work for me from time to time.
>
>Regards
>
>Max
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in design
>view.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>
>Hi Doug:
>
>Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
>limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
>breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller query
>as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was to move as
>much of the query as possible into a function, in a module and call the
>function from the query.
>
>This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with older
>versions of Access and queries.
>
>HTH
>Jim  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>Folks,
>
>I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I try to
>open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There isn't enough
>memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try again."  I
>have tried opening the query on two different computers and get the same
>result.  From where the query is being used I know it uses the values of 14
>different controls on a form as criteria.  I exported the query to a text
>file and it really does not look that complicated, but access is having
>trouble showing it in the query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can
>work on this thing?
>
>Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
>
>Doug
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Apr 15 01:06:19 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:06:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGEEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
References: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKMEGEEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <44408D5B.2020608@san.rr.com>

Bob:

Just got back from a short trip  Did you get this one figured out?

Rocky


Bob Heygood wrote:
> Hello to the list,
>
> Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
> memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
> Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
> A last minute change from the client.
>
> thx
>
> bob
>
>
>
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat Apr 15 16:40:54 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:40:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <44408089.8060400@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c660d5$460b6410$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Hi Marty,

I have already attempted the export and import to/from text file.  I was not
aware of the print to SQL functionality of DAO.  I tried this and it gave me
the SQL of the query which is very cool.  I am putting this in my list of
tools.  I tried copying the SQL from the debug window and pasting into a new
query.  Still get the out of memory message.  I will play with the SQL to
see if I can find what is causing the problem.  

The problem database does some very involved statistical calculations with
many queries and a lot of code.  The problem is that no naming convention
was used and field and object name structure is bazaar.  There are quotes,
spaces, parens, etc in the names.  This may be the source of the problem.
As I go through the project I have been updating naming, but in many cases
where the existing name doesn't contain any unusual characters or spaces I
am leaving as is.  Each change, using Speed Ferret, takes significant time,
so to change the name of several thousand objects is not feasible.

Thanks again.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.


Try this to save query to a text file
Application.SaveAsText acQuery, "MyQuery", "c:\temp\myquery.txt" then in a
new mdb Application.LoadFromText acQuery, "Catalog", "c:\temp\myquery.txt"
The text file will be the QBF definition not the actual SQL string if you
want that try Sub test() Dim db As DAO.Database Dim qdf As QueryDef Set db =
CurrentDb Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("MyQuery") Debug.Print qdf.SQL End Sub

Max Home wrote:

>Doug, that just doesn't make sense.  Either you have something wrong 
>with you installation of Access (try importing it as a txt file on 
>another machine if possible) or open it with notepad and then save it 
>again having made some alteration so that it actually saves a new version.
>
>If it runs but doesn't open for edits then that is so weird.
>
>Another thing you could try is to create a new DB and import it and 
>THEN create a new form with that as the recordsource and then create a 
>command button from the wizard selecting the option to filter by form - 
>there are two wizards there, so try them both.
>
>If no success, then open it in notepad, select all (Ctl-A) and then on 
>the new DB create a new query, select nothing,  click on SQL on the  
>toolbar and paste it into that,  before running it, select the option 
>for design and see if it opens.
>
>Regards
>
>Max
>
>Ps. Although this has come from my home email address, please reply to 
>my work Email address (max.sherman at mga-charity.org) as I will still be 
>picking up my email
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: 14 April 2006 22:56
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this 
>operation.
>
>Hi Max,
>
>Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I 
>seem to remember something about there being a limit on the size of 
>queries, but have not found anything specific.
>
>I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user 
>friendly manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this 
>way.
>
>Thank you for your thoughts.
>
>Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this 
>operation.
>
>
>Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it 
>from a text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).  
>That should clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and 
>import it into that (but link the tables it uses first so that the 
>import function *finds* the tables it refers to).  Both these work for 
>me from time to time.
>
>Regards
>
>Max
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this 
>operation.
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in 
>design view.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this 
>operation.
>
>
>Hi Doug:
>
>Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size 
>limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to 
>breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller 
>query as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was 
>to move as much of the query as possible into a function, in a module 
>and call the function from the query.
>
>This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with 
>older versions of Access and queries.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>Folks,
>
>I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I 
>try to open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There 
>isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs 
>and try again."  I have tried opening the query on two different 
>computers and get the same result.  From where the query is being used 
>I know it uses the values of 14 different controls on a form as 
>criteria.  I exported the query to a text file and it really does not 
>look that complicated, but access is having trouble showing it in the 
>query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can work on this thing?
>
>Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
>
>Doug
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sat Apr 15 17:37:45 2006
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:37:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <44408D5B.2020608@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <AIEKKBIAKDJNAFGABNJKAELHEEAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Hey Rocky,
Yes, Susan was kind enough to help me.
Hope you brought some sunshine back with you.

best,

bob



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


Bob:

Just got back from a short trip  Did you get this one figured out?

Rocky


Bob Heygood wrote:
> Hello to the list,
>
> Could someone give me some air code to change the field size from text to
> memo if the word "comment" is in the field name?
> Attached table. A2K. Preferably dao, I'm kinda old school.
> A last minute change from the client.
>
> thx
>
> bob
>
>
>
>   

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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr 15 19:51:47 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:51:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
In-Reply-To: <000001c660d5$460b6410$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>
References: <44408089.8060400@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <444221C3.20760.14E25F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Apr 2006 at 14:40, Doug Murphy wrote:

> was used and field and object name structure is bazaar.  There are quotes,
> spaces, parens, etc in the names.  This may be the source of the problem. 

I'd immediately suspect the quotes :-(
The other thing to look for is quotes in the data. A single embedded quote 
in an SQL string will screw up the parsing and in my experience often 
returns exactly this error message.

-- 
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 17 07:00:41 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:00:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <4440BE91.16113.316AA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000001c66216$8df42c70$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Stuart,

I need to actually build a file name and have each report save to that
custom directory as it is printed - all automatically.  I was able to do
that with the solution I chose but for some reason the printer driver
started hanging - at the worst possible time, over the weekend with no tech
support when the client REALLY needed to be working.

So in a nutshell, I need to be able to write code to cause the print of the
report to go to a specific directory, determined at the instant the print
happens.



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files

On 14 Apr 2006 at 17:52, John Colby wrote:

> What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full 
> on adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to 
> print to this.
> 

Installing the full Adobe creates a printer called "Adobe PDF". It's just a
case of setting the report to print to that specific printer instead of the
default printer.

By default, Adobe  is set up to request a file name when you create the
document.  

If you want to automate printing with no user intervention, you need to
change the option "Prompt for Adobe Filename" in the printer properties
under "General - Printing Preferences... - Adobe PDF Settings"
In this case the PDF  will be printed into the default directory for the
printer and will have the same name as the report plus a .PDF extension.  
The Default directory is specified under "Properties - Ports" for the
printer.

If you want the reports saved to a different directory, you need to set up
another copy of the printer with a different default directory.

If you want a different name for the file, you need to make a copy of the
report with an appropriate name, print that copy and then delete it.

Something like:
strReportName = "DailyReport" & Format$(Date(),"yymmdd") Docmd.CopyObject
,strReportName,acReport,"rptDailyReport"
Docmd.Open strReportName
Docmd.DeleteObject acReport,strReportName

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 17 08:21:59 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:21:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <000001c66216$8df42c70$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <4440BE91.16113.316AA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <44442317.28724.78AC8A3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Apr 2006 at 8:00, John Colby wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> I need to actually build a file name and have each report save to that
> custom directory as it is printed - all automatically.  I was able to do
> that with the solution I chose but for some reason the printer driver
> started hanging - at the worst possible time, over the weekend with no tech
> support when the client REALLY needed to be working.
> 
> So in a nutshell, I need to be able to write code to cause the print of the
> report to go to a specific directory, determined at the instant the print
> happens.
> 

When I have that sort of requirement, I don't use Adobe. I use Ghostscript 
and my own MakePDF front end (take a look at it at 
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg)


-- 
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 17 09:24:49 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:49 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
Message-ID: <BAY114-F26F500131C68EA5B66D61FD2C70@phx.gbl>

Doug,

Not sure if this is relevant...but last year...I had a similar issue where 
my forms and queries would run fine...but would occasionally give me the 
'memory' error when trying to modify.  I didn't spend much time on the 
problem...because it was my A97 dbs that were only having the issue after I 
loaded A2k on the same machine.  I had both versions on a box with W2K 
Server...and it worked fine.  When I put both versions on WXP...I started 
having the 'Not Enough Memory' when I tried to do things in A97...I just 
quit using 97 on that machine...so I don't really have a solution or 
suggestion...just thought I'd mention it ion case it gives someone an idea.

Good Luck,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:40:54 -0700
>
>Hi Marty,
>
>I have already attempted the export and import to/from text file.  I was 
>not
>aware of the print to SQL functionality of DAO.  I tried this and it gave 
>me
>the SQL of the query which is very cool.  I am putting this in my list of
>tools.  I tried copying the SQL from the debug window and pasting into a 
>new
>query.  Still get the out of memory message.  I will play with the SQL to
>see if I can find what is causing the problem.
>
>The problem database does some very involved statistical calculations with
>many queries and a lot of code.  The problem is that no naming convention
>was used and field and object name structure is bazaar.  There are quotes,
>spaces, parens, etc in the names.  This may be the source of the problem.
>As I go through the project I have been updating naming, but in many cases
>where the existing name doesn't contain any unusual characters or spaces I
>am leaving as is.  Each change, using Speed Ferret, takes significant time,
>so to change the name of several thousand objects is not feasible.
>
>Thanks again.
>
>Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:12 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
>
>
>Try this to save query to a text file
>Application.SaveAsText acQuery, "MyQuery", "c:\temp\myquery.txt" then in a
>new mdb Application.LoadFromText acQuery, "Catalog", "c:\temp\myquery.txt"
>The text file will be the QBF definition not the actual SQL string if you
>want that try Sub test() Dim db As DAO.Database Dim qdf As QueryDef Set db 
>=
>CurrentDb Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("MyQuery") Debug.Print qdf.SQL End Sub
>
>Max Home wrote:
>
> >Doug, that just doesn't make sense.  Either you have something wrong
> >with you installation of Access (try importing it as a txt file on
> >another machine if possible) or open it with notepad and then save it
> >again having made some alteration so that it actually saves a new 
>version.
> >
> >If it runs but doesn't open for edits then that is so weird.
> >
> >Another thing you could try is to create a new DB and import it and
> >THEN create a new form with that as the recordsource and then create a
> >command button from the wizard selecting the option to filter by form -
> >there are two wizards there, so try them both.
> >
> >If no success, then open it in notepad, select all (Ctl-A) and then on
> >the new DB create a new query, select nothing,  click on SQL on the
> >toolbar and paste it into that,  before running it, select the option
> >for design and see if it opens.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Max
> >
> >Ps. Although this has come from my home email address, please reply to
> >my work Email address (max.sherman at mga-charity.org) as I will still be
> >picking up my email
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
> >Sent: 14 April 2006 22:56
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this
> >operation.
> >
> >Hi Max,
> >
> >Did both of these and still can not open the query in design view.  I
> >seem to remember something about there being a limit on the size of
> >queries, but have not found anything specific.
> >
> >I think I'll just rebuild the query as Jim suggested in a more user
> >friendly manner.  I think I can get the form to work much better this
> >way.
> >
> >Thank you for your thoughts.
> >
> >Doug
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Home
> >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:43 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this
> >operation.
> >
> >
> >Doug, try exporting the query as a text file and then re-importing it
> >from a text file (docmd.transfer something or other - look it up).
> >That should clear any embedded problems.  OR - open another DB and
> >import it into that (but link the tables it uses first so that the
> >import function *finds* the tables it refers to).  Both these work for
> >me from time to time.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Max
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
> >Sent: 14 April 2006 22:32
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this
> >operation.
> >
> >Hi Jim,
> >
> >I am working in Access 2002.  The query runs, I just can not open in
> >design view.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:16 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this
> >operation.
> >
> >
> >Hi Doug:
> >
> >Depending what version of Access you are using there is a strict size
> >limitation to queries. On older versions, like A97, you would have to
> >breakup to query into sub-queries that would be accessed from caller
> >query as if they were tables. Another way to handle complex queries was
> >to move as much of the query as possible into a function, in a module
> >and call the function from the query.
> >
> >This may not be your situation but it was one of the main issues with
> >older versions of Access and queries.
> >
> >HTH
> >Jim
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
> >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:55 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: [AccessD] There isn't enough memory to perform this operation.
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >I have a legacy database I am trying to update for a client.  When I
> >try to open one of the queries in design view I get the message "There
> >isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs
> >and try again."  I have tried opening the query on two different
> >computers and get the same result.  From where the query is being used
> >I know it uses the values of 14 different controls on a form as
> >criteria.  I exported the query to a text file and it really does not
> >look that complicated, but access is having trouble showing it in the
> >query design window.  Any suggestions on how I can work on this thing?
> >
> >Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
> >
> >
> >Doug
> >
> >
> >
>
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>Canada
>
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 17 11:44:31 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:44:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB96@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

On the crtique form for the advisor media conference in Vegas they asked
what other authors  would you like to see and I put in a plug for you. Who
knows, maybe something will come of it.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkinsss at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


Thanks! I appreciate that! Fortunately, a number of you have great ideas
that need sharing! You may have noticed that a number of those articles have
accessd co-authors. :) 

Susan H. 

Thanks again.
BTW, I enjoy your articles in the Advisor.

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From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 17 12:03:31 2006
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
Message-ID: <20060417170331.38101.qmail@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database, I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
   
  Thanks,
  Jeremy


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 17 12:13:43 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:13:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <32394137.1145293656707.JavaMail.root@sniper13>
Message-ID: <000001c66242$483da180$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Jeremy,

Try typing in Stop in the line above where you put a breakpoint in the code.
Then you can watch to see what is happening.

Dan 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------

I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm
working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to
get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
   
  Thanks,
  Jeremy
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Mon Apr 17 12:16:01 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:16:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F201D21FF@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Sounds like some corrupted code in there. Try...

Just recompile everything.

No good? Try decompiling the application :
http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0008.htm
Still no good? Try creating a new, empty database and import everything in
the old database into the new one (everything that is except the MSYS*
tables).

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:04 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode


I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm
working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to
get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
   
  Thanks,
  Jeremy
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Mon Apr 17 12:35:26 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:35:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C6C5@dewey.Symphony.local>

Try setting your breakpoint earlier in the process.  Any time I've seen
this happen, it's because the line in question isn't executing at all.

Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:16 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode

I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a
database, I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the
breakpoint.  I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.
Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the
code executes?
   
  Thanks,
  Jeremy
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 17 12:58:00 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:58:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB96@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c66248$9bad21a0$9fb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Oh my! I do appreciate that. :) They have asked me before, but I don't do
that -- I'd throw up. :) But I really appreciate the kind words -- anytime a
reader lets one of publishers know that they like an article, it helps me. 

Susan H. 

On the crtique form for the advisor media conference in Vegas they asked
what other authors  would you like to see and I put in a plug for you. Who
knows, maybe something will come of it.
Jim Hale



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 17 13:42:33 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:42:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB98@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I suspect you would do very well at these things, the audiences are very
forgiving. After all, these aren't investors or lawyers :-).Of course guys
like Luke Chung and Ken Getz were very polished since they have been doing
this for so long but even the less polished speakers held everyone's
attention as long as there was some real meat in their presentations.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkinsss at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] change field size in code


Oh my! I do appreciate that. :) They have asked me before, but I don't do
that -- I'd throw up. :) But I really appreciate the kind words -- anytime a
reader lets one of publishers know that they like an article, it helps me. 

Susan H. 

On the crtique form for the advisor media conference in Vegas they asked
what other authors  would you like to see and I put in a plug for you. Who
knows, maybe something will come of it.
Jim Hale

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Mon Apr 17 14:13:40 2006
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:13:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <20060417170331.38101.qmail@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c66253$09599030$0400a8c0@PC1>

Hi Jeremy,

Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile and
then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your breakpoint
or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you could check this
by putting the breakpoint at the start of code execution, if that does work)


Regards,
Eric Starkenburg


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode

I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm
working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to
get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
   
  Thanks,
  Jeremy
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Mon Apr 17 14:41:55 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFF26@aries.TexasSystems.local>


John,

>> ... Just goes to show how badly VBA's "garbage collector" sucks ... 

My working theory lays more of the blame on Access, and maybe ADO:

Theory 1: John's Original Observation
-------------------------------------
CurrentProject.Connection has a "don't try suicide" feature: All
CurrentProject.Connection.Close and Set CurrentProject.Connection =
Nothing requests are ignored. My guess is that CurrentProject.Connection
inherits from ADODB.Connection, but overrides the Close method with
nothing, making the project connection uncloseable. 
  The rub comes when a programmer requests a copy of
CurrentProject.Connection in code: my guess is Access returns the
overridden CurrentProject.Connection type, not the ADODB.Connection
parent type. That makes any copy of CurrentProject.Connection
uncloseable, thus the leak John observed. This is just a bonehead
implementation mistake on MS's part. 
  Question: what version of Access are you testing this in, John? If you
like, I'll try this on A2003 to see if this got fixed.

Theory 2: My Slow Leak, 'Proper ADO' Code
-----------------------------------------
My intended fix to the problem above was to not use
CurrentProject.Connection, but derive my connection using
CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString and a fully closable
ADODB.Connection object. Now, you would really expect this to work with
no leaks, but there is a slow leak here, too. 
  This is more worrisome, because it is closer to the 'pure' ADO code
you would write in VB6. The best case is that
CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString duplicates itself on every
reference, and doesn't garbage collect. The worst case is that there is
some subtle problem in the VBA/ADO/Provider chain itself. 
  I will test this on A2003, and see if I get the same behavior. 

In any case, this is one small illustration of why Shamil is so cautious
about thoroughly testing the ADO Disconnected Recordset/Access 2003 idea
before recommending it as a stable development technique. There must be
a running bet within MS on whether the Access team can make it work
properly with ADO before it becomes completely obsolete ;)

John's best practice recommendations are still best practice, but keep
an eye on that memory! 

If you or anyone else has any observations or corrections, please jump
in. 

-Ken


From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 17 17:15:19 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:15:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] change field size in code
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDB98@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c6626c$6a43dc20$d5b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Thank you again, but I can guarantee you that I would throw up. I've only
done one conference and I promise you -- I will never do one again. Yes, I
did Okay -- got good responses on the evaluations, but it wasn't worth it.
:) 

I don't mind training in small classes and that's quite lucrative when I can
find it. :) 

Susan H. 

I suspect you would do very well at these things, the audiences are very
forgiving. After all, these aren't investors or lawyers :-).Of course guys
like Luke Chung and Ken Getz were very polished since they have been doing
this for so long but even the less polished speakers held everyone's
attention as long as there was some real meat in their presentations.



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Apr 17 18:07:04 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:07:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <000f01c66253$09599030$0400a8c0@PC1>
References: <000f01c66253$09599030$0400a8c0@PC1>
Message-ID: <44441F98.1010000@san.rr.com>

Jeremy:

Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point.  If you don't get the 
message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.

Rocky


StaRKeY wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile and
> then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your breakpoint
> or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you could check this
> by putting the breakpoint at the start of code execution, if that does work)
>
>
> Regards,
> Eric Starkenburg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
> I've run into an odd issue.  When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
> I can.  But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint.  I'm
> working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002.  Any ideas on how to
> get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
>    
>   Thanks,
>   Jeremy
>   

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Apr 17 18:27:36 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:27:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362553E@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <007d01c66276$83991af0$6601a8c0@office>

I'm nowhere near the distribution stage yet! (:))

But I have studied that area a bit and it does sound a lot easier than 
creating an Access executable....

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Long, Karen S." <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
List


> You can create an executable - no more sagekey or that second rate
> Access Deployment Package Wizard.
>
>
> Karen S. Long
> Programmer Analyst
> EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
> Pittsburgh, PA
> Phone: 412-386-6649
> Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
> List
>
> Hi Karen - what is one click?
>
> Kath
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Long, Karen S." <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
> List
>
>
>>I am looking for one, too. VS 2005 is the most exciting product I have
>
>>worked with since Access came out.  It is incredible.  There does not
>>seem to be much in the way of documentation yet.  Seems when I google
>>something, I get messages that the documentation is *coming soon*.  Did
>
>>you run into *one click* yet?  Every feature is a treat - I actually
>>spent 20 straight hours last weekend tied to my PC and this product.
>>
>>
>> Karen S. Long
>> Programmer Analyst
>> EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> Phone: 412-386-6649
>> Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> Pelletti
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:40 PM
>> To: Access D SQl Server List; Access D Normal List
>> Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
>> List
>>
>> (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>>
>> I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have
>> found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute
>> god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through
>> this learning curve....
>>
>> But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual
>> Basic
>> 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad -
>> very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a
>> book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any
> recommendations?
>>
>> (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that
>> that it is more of a reference book.)
>>
>> (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is
>> there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>>
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From tom.p at piedpiper.com.au  Mon Apr 17 18:57:58 2006
From: tom.p at piedpiper.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:57:58 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
References: <000001c66216$8df42c70$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001b01c6627a$c0ffa770$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>

John...
Whether it is any help or not.....

I have the same situation in that I have to produce invoices as a normal 
report (to a printer) and also produce a PDF copy which is then saved to a 
directory of my choosing on the fly

I have built this facility into code by.....

Having a table with a default printer field.

Changing the default printer to my PDF utility (after saving my default 
printer in my field).

I use Jaws Systems PDF writer although there are a LOT of these type of 
programs .
Although I dont need it I believe the JAWS PDF utility will allow you via 
code to specify a directory as part of the command just as it allows you to 
name the file ....

I then print the report to PDF which will be saved in the default directory 
I have set up for it.
The file name is actually the caption property of the report.
Then change back to the previous default printer and print the report to the 
printer

As far as the users are concerned it is pretty transparent ...all they see 
is the print dialog come up for a sec while it is writing to the PDF file 
and then theys see the next dialog come up for the printer report...

I use a printer class from ATTAC Consulting   (On the fly printing? I think) 
to handle all printing requirements although that was because I lacked the 
abilities to use printer API's properly myself (which you probably dont)

I can send you code snippets if you need them

REgards

Tom Keatley




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files


> Stuart,
>
> I need to actually build a file name and have each report save to that
> custom directory as it is printed - all automatically.  I was able to do
> that with the solution I chose but for some reason the printer driver
> started hanging - at the worst possible time, over the weekend with no 
> tech
> support when the client REALLY needed to be working.
>
> So in a nutshell, I need to be able to write code to cause the print of 
> the
> report to go to a specific directory, determined at the instant the print
> happens.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
>
> On 14 Apr 2006 at 17:52, John Colby wrote:
>
>> What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full
>> on adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to
>> print to this.
>>
>
> Installing the full Adobe creates a printer called "Adobe PDF". It's just 
> a
> case of setting the report to print to that specific printer instead of 
> the
> default printer.
>
> By default, Adobe  is set up to request a file name when you create the
> document.
>
> If you want to automate printing with no user intervention, you need to
> change the option "Prompt for Adobe Filename" in the printer properties
> under "General - Printing Preferences... - Adobe PDF Settings"
> In this case the PDF  will be printed into the default directory for the
> printer and will have the same name as the report plus a .PDF extension.
> The Default directory is specified under "Properties - Ports" for the
> printer.
>
> If you want the reports saved to a different directory, you need to set up
> another copy of the printer with a different default directory.
>
> If you want a different name for the file, you need to make a copy of the
> report with an appropriate name, print that copy and then delete it.
>
> Something like:
> strReportName = "DailyReport" & Format$(Date(),"yymmdd") Docmd.CopyObject
> ,strReportName,acReport,"rptDailyReport"
> Docmd.Open strReportName
> Docmd.DeleteObject acReport,strReportName
>
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>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Mon Apr 17 19:14:31 2006
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:14:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFF26@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <00d801c6627d$119f3b80$6401a8c0@default>

> My working theory lays more of the blame on Access, and maybe ADO:

The strange thing is that this leak has been specifically identified as
a problem with COM based calls by PHP devs in the newsgroups.

Products such as IIS, Excel, SQL Server, MySQL, Delphi, Oracle,
MFC/VC++, VFP, VB6 using ADO all experience this leak.

Reminds me of something Shamil said a few years ago:
" DotNet isn't done til VB6 won't run."

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint Developer
www.mattysconsulting.com

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From: "Ken Ismert" <KIsmert at TexasSystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak





From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Apr 17 20:11:57 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:11:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
In-Reply-To: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4DFF26@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <000c01c66285$179a7a10$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>  Question: what version of Access are you testing this in, John? If you
like, I'll try this on A2003 to see if this got fixed.

2K, Xp and 2003.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak


John,

>> ... Just goes to show how badly VBA's "garbage collector" sucks ... 

My working theory lays more of the blame on Access, and maybe ADO:

Theory 1: John's Original Observation
-------------------------------------
CurrentProject.Connection has a "don't try suicide" feature: All
CurrentProject.Connection.Close and Set CurrentProject.Connection = Nothing
requests are ignored. My guess is that CurrentProject.Connection inherits
from ADODB.Connection, but overrides the Close method with nothing, making
the project connection uncloseable. 
  The rub comes when a programmer requests a copy of
CurrentProject.Connection in code: my guess is Access returns the overridden
CurrentProject.Connection type, not the ADODB.Connection parent type. That
makes any copy of CurrentProject.Connection uncloseable, thus the leak John
observed. This is just a bonehead implementation mistake on MS's part. 
  Question: what version of Access are you testing this in, John? If you
like, I'll try this on A2003 to see if this got fixed.

Theory 2: My Slow Leak, 'Proper ADO' Code
-----------------------------------------
My intended fix to the problem above was to not use
CurrentProject.Connection, but derive my connection using
CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString and a fully closable ADODB.Connection
object. Now, you would really expect this to work with no leaks, but there
is a slow leak here, too. 
  This is more worrisome, because it is closer to the 'pure' ADO code you
would write in VB6. The best case is that
CurrentProject.BaseConnectionString duplicates itself on every reference,
and doesn't garbage collect. The worst case is that there is some subtle
problem in the VBA/ADO/Provider chain itself. 
  I will test this on A2003, and see if I get the same behavior. 

In any case, this is one small illustration of why Shamil is so cautious
about thoroughly testing the ADO Disconnected Recordset/Access 2003 idea
before recommending it as a stable development technique. There must be a
running bet within MS on whether the Access team can make it work properly
with ADO before it becomes completely obsolete ;)

John's best practice recommendations are still best practice, but keep an
eye on that memory! 

If you or anyone else has any observations or corrections, please jump in. 

-Ken
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From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 17 21:09:42 2006
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <44441F98.1010000@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060418020942.48322.qmail@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks all for your comments.  I had a message box in the code, and it was popping up without ever breaking.  I'm going to try the decompile and compile.
  
Thanks,
Jeremy

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
  Jeremy:

Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.

Rocky


StaRKeY wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile and
> then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your breakpoint
> or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you could check this
> by putting the breakpoint at the start of code execution, if that does work)
>
>
> Regards,
> Eric Starkenburg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a database,
> I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the breakpoint. I'm
> working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. Any ideas on how to
> get the database to stop at breakpoints when the code executes?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
> 

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 18 06:17:22 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:17:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <001b01c6627a$c0ffa770$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>
Message-ID: <E1FVoCy-0005ZB-00@pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Tom,

  I pretty much do the same (use on the fly printing for printer control),
but I use Ghost Script for the PDF.  Procedure is below.

Jim.

Function RunReportAsPDF(strReportName As String) As String

        ' Prints a report to disk
        ' and then converts to a PDF file with Ghost Script.
        ' Returns name of file if sucessfull
        ' empty string ("") if not.
        Const RoutineName = "RunReportAsPDF"
        Const Version = "1.0"
        
        Dim strPDFPrinter As String
        Dim strPDFProgPath As String
        Dim strPDFFileName As String
        Dim strPRNFile As String
        Dim lngHWnd As Long

10      On Error GoTo RunReportAsPDF_Error

20      RunReportAsPDF = ""

30      strPDFPrinter = GetAppConfigValue(AppShortName(), "PDFPrinter", ".",
".")
40      strPDFProgPath = GetAppConfigValue(AppShortName(), "PDFProgPath",
".", ".")
50      strPRNFile = GetAppConfigValue(AppShortName(), "PDFPrnFile ", ".",
".")

        ' Kill the printer output file if it already exists.
60      If (Dir(strPRNFile) & "" <> "") Then
70        On Error Resume Next
80        Kill strPRNFile
90        On Error GoTo RunReportAsPDF_Error
100     End If

        ' Now run the report
110     If SetDefaultPrinter(strPDFPrinter) = True Then
120       DoCmd.OpenReport strReportName, acViewNormal

          ' Wait until the report completes
130       Do While Dir(strPRNFile) & "" = ""
140         DoEvents
150       Loop

160       Call ResetDefaultPrinter(0)

          'Generate file name to use for PDF output
170       strPDFFileName = GetTempFileName_TSB(AppShortName())
180       strPDFFileName = Replace(strPDFFileName, ".tmp", ".pdf")
        
          ' Change printer driver output into a PDF
          ' Script the batch file
190       Open strPDFProgPath & "MKPDF.bat" For Output As #1
200       Print #1, "" & left(strPDFProgPath, 2)
210       Print #1, "" & "CD " & Chr(34) & Mid(strPDFProgPath, 3) & Chr(34)
220       Print #1, "" & Chr(34) & strPDFProgPath & "MAKEPDF" & Chr(34) & "
" & strPRNFile & " /D /V1.4 /O" & strPDFFileName
230       Close #1
        
          ' Execute batch file
240       strPDFProgPath = Chr(34) & strPDFProgPath & "MKPDF.bat" & Chr(34)
250       lngHWnd = Shell(strPDFProgPath, vbMinimizedNoFocus)
        
          ' and wait till done.
260       WaitWhileRunning (lngHWnd)
        
270       RunReportAsPDF = strPDFFileName
        
280     Else
290       gstrMBTitle = "Printer not installed."
300       gstrMBMsg = "The printer " & strPDFPrinter & " is not installed."
310       gstrMBMsg = gstrMBMsg & vbCrLf & "Please correct."
320       gintMBDef = vbCritical + vbOKOnly
330       gintMBBeep = True
340       gintMBLog = True
350       Call DisplayMsgBox
360       RunReportAsPDF = ""
370     End If

RunReportAsPDF_Exit:

380     Exit Function

RunReportAsPDF_Error:
390     UnexpectedError ModuleName, RoutineName, Version, Err.Number,
Err.Description, Err.Source, VBA.Erl
400     RunReportAsPDF = ""
410     Resume RunReportAsPDF_Exit

End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files

John...
Whether it is any help or not.....

I have the same situation in that I have to produce invoices as a normal 
report (to a printer) and also produce a PDF copy which is then saved to a 
directory of my choosing on the fly

I have built this facility into code by.....

Having a table with a default printer field.

Changing the default printer to my PDF utility (after saving my default 
printer in my field).

I use Jaws Systems PDF writer although there are a LOT of these type of 
programs .
Although I dont need it I believe the JAWS PDF utility will allow you via 
code to specify a directory as part of the command just as it allows you to 
name the file ....

I then print the report to PDF which will be saved in the default directory 
I have set up for it.
The file name is actually the caption property of the report.
Then change back to the previous default printer and print the report to the

printer

As far as the users are concerned it is pretty transparent ...all they see 
is the print dialog come up for a sec while it is writing to the PDF file 
and then theys see the next dialog come up for the printer report...

I use a printer class from ATTAC Consulting   (On the fly printing? I think)

to handle all printing requirements although that was because I lacked the 
abilities to use printer API's properly myself (which you probably dont)

I can send you code snippets if you need them

REgards

Tom Keatley




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files


> Stuart,
>
> I need to actually build a file name and have each report save to that
> custom directory as it is printed - all automatically.  I was able to do
> that with the solution I chose but for some reason the printer driver
> started hanging - at the worst possible time, over the weekend with no 
> tech
> support when the client REALLY needed to be working.
>
> So in a nutshell, I need to be able to write code to cause the print of 
> the
> report to go to a specific directory, determined at the instant the print
> happens.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
>
> On 14 Apr 2006 at 17:52, John Colby wrote:
>
>> What is involved in printing reports to adobe PDF files using the full
>> on adobe package?  My client got it and I need to mod my program to
>> print to this.
>>
>
> Installing the full Adobe creates a printer called "Adobe PDF". It's just 
> a
> case of setting the report to print to that specific printer instead of 
> the
> default printer.
>
> By default, Adobe  is set up to request a file name when you create the
> document.
>
> If you want to automate printing with no user intervention, you need to
> change the option "Prompt for Adobe Filename" in the printer properties
> under "General - Printing Preferences... - Adobe PDF Settings"
> In this case the PDF  will be printed into the default directory for the
> printer and will have the same name as the report plus a .PDF extension.
> The Default directory is specified under "Properties - Ports" for the
> printer.
>
> If you want the reports saved to a different directory, you need to set up
> another copy of the printer with a different default directory.
>
> If you want a different name for the file, you need to make a copy of the
> report with an appropriate name, print that copy and then delete it.
>
> Something like:
> strReportName = "DailyReport" & Format$(Date(),"yymmdd") Docmd.CopyObject
> ,strReportName,acReport,"rptDailyReport"
> Docmd.Open strReportName
> Docmd.DeleteObject acReport,strReportName
>
> --
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>
>
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Tue Apr 18 12:11:49 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:11:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E0190@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Micheal, 

> The strange thing is that this leak has been specifically 
> identified as a problem with COM based calls by PHP devs 
> in the newsgroups. 

Could you post some links to these discussion threads? I'd like to see
the code samples they are using. 

Thanks, 

-Ken


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 18 12:29:27 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:29:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <13355566.1145326387849.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c6630d$a5acfca0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Jeremy,

Your issue is, I believe, unusual.  Could you post your solution when you
get there?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode


Thanks all for your comments.  I had a message box in the code, and it was
popping up without ever breaking.  I'm going to try the decompile and
compile.
  
Thanks,
Jeremy

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
  Jeremy:

Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.

Rocky


StaRKeY wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile 
> and then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your 
> breakpoint or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you 
> could check this by putting the breakpoint at the start of code 
> execution, if that does work)
>
>
> Regards,
> Eric Starkenburg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
> Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a 
> database, I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the 
> breakpoint. I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. 
> Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the 
> code executes?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
> 

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Apr 18 12:32:11 2006
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E0190@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <01e001c6630e$08b046e0$6401a8c0@default>

The search on Google is
"ADODB.Connection" "Memory+Leak" +PHP

Sample message:
COM-Support on Apache 1.3.27 with PHP 4.2.2 (as Apache dso) seems to have a
memory leak. Every time I run the following code, memory usage of Apache
is increased by about 86 kB:


$cid = new COM('ADODB.Connection');
$cid->Open ("File Name=udlfile.udl");
$rid = $cid->Execute ("SELECT * FROM test");


$rid->Close();
$rid->Release();
$rid = NULL;
unset ($rid);


$cid->Close();
$cid->Release();
$cid = NULL;
unset ($cid);



Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint Developer
www.mattysconsulting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ismert" <KIsmert at TexasSystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak


>
> Micheal,
>
>> The strange thing is that this leak has been specifically
>> identified as a problem with COM based calls by PHP devs
>> in the newsgroups.
>
> Could you post some links to these discussion threads? I'd like to see
> the code samples they are using.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Ken
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Apr 18 12:43:40 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:43:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <000001c6630d$a5acfca0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000001c6630d$a5acfca0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4445254C.9030604@san.rr.com>

Jeremy:

Is your app small enough to zip and email?  I'd be happy to run it here 
to see if I get the same result.  Contact me off line if you want to do 
this. 

Regards,

Rocky


Dan Waters wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> Your issue is, I believe, unusual.  Could you post your solution when you
> get there?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan 
>  
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
>
> Thanks all for your comments.  I had a message box in the code, and it was
> popping up without ever breaking.  I'm going to try the decompile and
> compile.
>   
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>   Jeremy:
>
> Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
> MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
> message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> StaRKeY wrote:
>   
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile 
>> and then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your 
>> breakpoint or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you 
>> could check this by putting the breakpoint at the start of code 
>> execution, if that does work)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Starkenburg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
>> Toves
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>>
>> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a 
>> database, I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the 
>> breakpoint. I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. 
>> Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the 
>> code executes?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremy
>>
>>     
>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 18 14:21:53 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:21:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E0190@aries.TexasSystems.local>
	<01e001c6630e$08b046e0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <44453C51.9020401@shaw.ca>

Leaks may depend on the version of MDAC being run. There were some in 
2.5 and 2.6
the MDAC 2.8 SP1 release installs the same Data Access components as 
Microsoft Windows XP SP2.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=78cac895-efc2-4f8e-a9e0-3a1afbd5922e&DisplayLang=en

To see version look at registry keys this one is 2.8 SP1
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\DataAccess
Keys

FullInstallVer
Version 2.81.1117.0


Michael R Mattys wrote:

>The search on Google is
>"ADODB.Connection" "Memory+Leak" +PHP
>
>Sample message:
>COM-Support on Apache 1.3.27 with PHP 4.2.2 (as Apache dso) seems to have a
>memory leak. Every time I run the following code, memory usage of Apache
>is increased by about 86 kB:
>
>
>$cid = new COM('ADODB.Connection');
>$cid->Open ("File Name=udlfile.udl");
>$rid = $cid->Execute ("SELECT * FROM test");
>
>
>$rid->Close();
>$rid->Release();
>$rid = NULL;
>unset ($rid);
>
>
>$cid->Close();
>$cid->Release();
>$cid = NULL;
>unset ($cid);
>
>
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>MapPoint Developer
>www.mattysconsulting.com
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Ken Ismert" <KIsmert at TexasSystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory leak
>
>
>  
>
>>Micheal,
>>
>>    
>>
>>>The strange thing is that this leak has been specifically
>>>identified as a problem with COM based calls by PHP devs
>>>in the newsgroups.
>>>      
>>>
>>Could you post some links to these discussion threads? I'd like to see
>>the code samples they are using.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>-Ken
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>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Apr 18 16:22:20 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:22:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
Message-ID: <4445588C.7030400@san.rr.com>

Dear List:

I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year 
of expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.  
For the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd 
is always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the 
program is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled 
"dd/mm/yy".  Is there an easy way to find out which format to use or 
another way to get around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?

MTIA

Rocky

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 18 16:31:36 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:31:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
In-Reply-To: <4445588C.7030400@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4445E758.31367.E715D25@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Apr 2006 at 14:22, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year of
> expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.  For
> the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd is
> always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the program
> is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled "dd/mm/yy".  Is
> there an easy way to find out which format to use or another way to get
> around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?
> 

Use DateSerial() to build the date. It is always (y,m,d) regardless of 
regional settings.




-- 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Apr 18 16:29:10 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:29:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDAC9@main2.marlow.com>

Use DateSerial to assemble the date.  the placement of it's arguments do not
change with date formats.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again


Dear List:

I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year 
of expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.  
For the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd 
is always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the 
program is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled 
"dd/mm/yy".  Is there an easy way to find out which format to use or 
another way to get around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?

MTIA

Rocky

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Apr 18 17:06:25 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:06:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDAC9@main2.marlow.com>
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDAC9@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <444562E1.1060402@san.rr.com>

Drew and Stuart:

AHA!  DateSerial.  Is there no end of stuff to learn that Access can do?

Thank you and thank you.

Rocky


DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:
> Use DateSerial to assemble the date.  the placement of it's arguments do not
> change with date formats.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year 
> of expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.  
> For the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd 
> is always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the 
> program is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled 
> "dd/mm/yy".  Is there an easy way to find out which format to use or 
> another way to get around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 18 17:53:40 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:53:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
In-Reply-To: <444562E1.1060402@san.rr.com>
References: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDAC9@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <4445FA94.26344.2F5DFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>



On 18 Apr 2006 at 15:06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:

> Drew and Stuart:
> 
> AHA!  DateSerial.  Is there no end of stuff to learn that Access can
> do?
> 

I've been working with it constantly since early 1993 and I'm still learning new things :-)






From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 18 18:06:23 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:06:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <001b01c6627a$c0ffa770$2900a8c0@TOMNEW>
Message-ID: <4445FD8F.20549.3B032D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Jim, care to share the functions
SetDefaultPrinter() and ResetDefaultPrinter()?


> 110     If SetDefaultPrinter(strPDFPrinter) = True Then
...
> 160       Call ResetDefaultPrinter(0)




From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 18 18:22:13 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:22:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bound form - vb.net
Message-ID: <000801c6633e$ede11070$6601a8c0@office>

(Cross posted to AccessD and AccessVB)

I can see that there are a few ways of working with data in vb.net on a form. (My data in in Sql Server 2005 db)

But can someone tell me how they would *normally* bind data to a form and display:

- A single record, or

- Multiple records, like in an Access continuous form.


TIA

Kath Pelletti


From darrend at nimble.com.au  Tue Apr 18 20:09:27 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:09:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
Message-ID: <20060419010934.DAOA25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes for
a whole column
firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its results to a cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren


From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 18 22:33:35 2006
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:33:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <4445254C.9030604@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060419033335.38940.qmail@web81512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is an inherited database I ran remotely on a desktop.  The debug issue was isolated to that computer.  I downloaded it to my computer and debug mode worked.  After getting that figured out, I noticed quite a few other issues on my copy that compiling would have found.  I'm not sure if a new install of Access is warranted on the host computer.  
  
Thanks,
  Jeremy
   
   
  

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
  Jeremy:

Is your app small enough to zip and email? I'd be happy to run it here 
to see if I get the same result. Contact me off line if you want to do 
this. 

Regards,

Rocky


Dan Waters wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> Your issue is, I believe, unusual. Could you post your solution when you
> get there?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan 
> 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>
>
> Thanks all for your comments. I had a message box in the code, and it was
> popping up without ever breaking. I'm going to try the decompile and
> compile.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> Jeremy:
>
> Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
> MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
> message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> StaRKeY wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile 
>> and then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your 
>> breakpoint or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you 
>> could check this by putting the breakpoint at the start of code 
>> execution, if that does work)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Starkenburg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
>> Toves
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>>
>> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a 
>> database, I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the 
>> breakpoint. I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. 
>> Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the 
>> code executes?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremy
>>
>> 
>
> 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Apr 19 00:20:59 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:20:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
In-Reply-To: <20060419033335.38940.qmail@web81512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060419033335.38940.qmail@web81512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4445C8BB.1040707@san.rr.com>

Possible DLL conflict?  References the same?  All service packs and 
updates implemented on the box where it fails?  I love these kinds of 
mysteries . When my job isn't on the line. :-P

Rocky


Jeremy Toves wrote:
> This is an inherited database I ran remotely on a desktop.  The debug issue was isolated to that computer.  I downloaded it to my computer and debug mode worked.  After getting that figured out, I noticed quite a few other issues on my copy that compiling would have found.  I'm not sure if a new install of Access is warranted on the host computer.  
>   
> Thanks,
>   Jeremy
>    
>    
>   
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>   Jeremy:
>
> Is your app small enough to zip and email? I'd be happy to run it here 
> to see if I get the same result. Contact me off line if you want to do 
> this. 
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Dan Waters wrote:
>   
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> Your issue is, I believe, unusual. Could you post your solution when you
>> get there?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan 
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>>
>>
>> Thanks all for your comments. I had a message box in the code, and it was
>> popping up without ever breaking. I'm going to try the decompile and
>> compile.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremy
>>
>> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>> Jeremy:
>>
>> Just to verify that it's getting to your brekpoint put a line like 
>> MsgBox "Hello 'dere" right before the break point. If you don't get the 
>> message box, you'll know that you're never getting to the break point.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> StaRKeY wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>
>>> Odd indeed, you might want to try to decompile your code and recompile 
>>> and then try again. Also, is it possitble the code never passes your 
>>> breakpoint or maybe gets stuck before it gets to the breakpoint? (you 
>>> could check this by putting the breakpoint at the start of code 
>>> execution, if that does work)
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric Starkenburg
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
>>> Toves
>>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:04 PM
>>> To: AccessD
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Break Point in Debug Mode
>>>
>>> I've run into an odd issue. When I try to set the breakpoint on a 
>>> database, I can. But when the code executes, it doesn't stop at the 
>>> breakpoint. I'm working with an Access 2K database using Access 2002. 
>>> Any ideas on how to get the database to stop at breakpoints when the 
>>> code executes?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>     
>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 19 05:07:25 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:07:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: AJAX (on-line) spell check
Message-ID: <s4462817.013@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Check out this nice spell checker which uses AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript And XML which means no reposting of the page), Google Spell and Aspell:

  http://orangoo.com/spell/

Notice the link to the free code and further info.

/gustav



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 19 06:27:56 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:27:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Printing PDF files
In-Reply-To: <4445FD8F.20549.3B032D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E1FWAqk-0005ze-00@pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Stuart,

 <<Jim, care to share the functions>>

  Can't.  It's ATTAC Consulting's On The Fly Printing.  Otherwise I would.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Printing PDF files

Jim, care to share the functions
SetDefaultPrinter() and ResetDefaultPrinter()?


> 110     If SetDefaultPrinter(strPDFPrinter) = True Then
...
> 160       Call ResetDefaultPrinter(0)


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Wed Apr 19 06:48:57 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:48:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox toolbars, bookmarks etc
Message-ID: <20060419114902.4447F42963@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Where are they?  I am rebuilding my laptop (SIGH!!!)  and one of the things
I haven't yet found are my old FireFox toolbars and bookmarks.

 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 



From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Apr 19 07:47:23 2006
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:17:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times
References: <BAY114-F1728C52799F054F361678CD2C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c101c663af$79507360$620765cb@pcadt>

Mark,

    As a generic solution, it might be desirable to cater to different types of rate structures & discounts, depending upon whether it is a week-end or normal day. More-over, there could be activities where the client continues for a period spanning multiple days (some of which could be week-ends and the others normal ones).

    My sample db named PoolCalcDynamicRates might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    For each booking, this db also provides a break-up of total computed charges, showing periods covered by different rate-slabs and the sub-amounts actually charged.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark A Matte 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 00:16
  Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Pool Times


  Hello All,

  I need some help with my logic here.  The app will track how long some one is on a pool table and charge accordingly.  I want to have the specials calculate automatically.  
  For example:  Someone shoots from 16:00 to 23:00.  The normal rate is 3dph.  From 17:00 to 19:00 is free and from 20:00 to 22:00 is 1.5dph.  These are only the specials today...there might only be one tomorrow.

  I started with a specials table that would have the day,start,end, and rate. Each special is its own record.  In the end it would charge:

  16:00-16:59 3$
  17:00-18:59 0$
  19:00-19:59 3$
  20:00-21:59 1.5$
  22:00-23:00 3$

  I guess I could loop through minute by minute and compare the time to the each special... and sum that way...but that didn't seem right?

  Any ideas/suggestions on an approach would be greatly appreciated.

  Thanks,

  Mark A. Matte

From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Apr 19 08:22:21 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:22:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox toolbars, bookmarks etc
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F20715BA5@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Hi John,

The answer depends a bit on which version you are using, but assuming you
are up to date and running 1.5.0.2 you should find the bookmarks in a folder
along the path...

C:\Documents and Settings\<YOURACCOUNTNAME>\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ia5r73ak.default

Where "ia5r73ak" will be some other random collection of characters. If you
are using Portable Firefox
(http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/browsers/portable_firefox) then the
bookmarks are in ...

<SOMEDRIVELETTER>:\PortableFirefox\profile

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox toolbars, bookmarks etc


Where are they?  I am rebuilding my laptop (SIGH!!!)  and one of the things
I haven't yet found are my old FireFox toolbars and bookmarks.

 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Apr 19 09:56:07 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:56:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDACF@main2.marlow.com>

To do this for one cell, select the cell, for a whole column, select the
column.  Once selected, go to Data --> Validation.  That will open a form.
On the first tab, change the combo box to 'list'.  You can set up the list
any way you want, the easiest is to make it another column (say on a
background sheet).  Now the users will get a combobox when they are in that
cell/column, and it will force them to select from the list.  You can even
customize the message they get if they try to put different data in, with
the Validation option.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes
for
a whole column
firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its results to a
cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Apr 19 10:14:00 2006
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:14:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C03FC478F@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

One more point to this.  Holding the Ctrl key down while selecting cells, you may select random cells throughout the worksheet.
Keep in mind this is to be used for ONE list of data for all the cells.
Unless, of course, you go to each cell and change it.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q

To do this for one cell, select the cell, for a whole column, select the
column.  Once selected, go to Data --> Validation.  That will open a form.
On the first tab, change the combo box to 'list'.  You can set up the list
any way you want, the easiest is to make it another column (say on a
background sheet).  Now the users will get a combobox when they are in that
cell/column, and it will force them to select from the list.  You can even
customize the message they get if they try to put different data in, with
the Validation option.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes
for
a whole column
firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its results to a
cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Apr 19 10:38:41 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:38:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBA1@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Manual user entry into the cell(s) will trigger the validation. Copy paste
or drag and copy unfortunately doesn't trigger the validation so incorrect
data can still be entered. Drag and drop can me turned off by
<tools><options><edit>click check mark on "allow cell drag and drop". This
must be set for each copy of Excel (ie it doesn't follow the worksheet) so I
usually set it off and on in code. 
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


One more point to this.  Holding the Ctrl key down while selecting cells,
you may select random cells throughout the worksheet.
Keep in mind this is to be used for ONE list of data for all the cells.
Unless, of course, you go to each cell and change it.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q

To do this for one cell, select the cell, for a whole column, select the
column.  Once selected, go to Data --> Validation.  That will open a form.
On the first tab, change the combo box to 'list'.  You can set up the list
any way you want, the easiest is to make it another column (say on a
background sheet).  Now the users will get a combobox when they are in that
cell/column, and it will force them to select from the list.  You can even
customize the message they get if they try to put different data in, with
the Validation option.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes
for
a whole column
firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its results to a
cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 19 10:51:23 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:51:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL	Server List
Message-ID: <s44678b0.022@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

Just noticed this, though not a book:

  http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349

I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
(Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

(I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

(While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

______________________________________
Kath Pelletti




From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Apr 19 11:41:16 2006
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:41:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2k - Report group counter
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8016B2524@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

I have a report where I want to count the number of unique People in a
group that received checks.  If I tried to count the PEOPLE_ID I get a
count of the number of checks. I know this has been discussed before but
I just cant find it.  
   Grp1
     p1  ch1
         ch2
        Total amt  <checkcnt>
     p2  ch1
        total amt  <checkcnt>
GRP1 total people 3    --- instead of 2  If I try to count the group
total line COUNT checkcnt in another group it won't let me do that 

Been fighting this all morning and in a bit of a rush.

Thanks
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Apr 19 12:27:07 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:27:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS 2005 Express editions are free forever!
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D3527B@ADGSERVER>

I know that some here are dabbling in Visual Studio.  Now the Express
editions are free forever.

Here is a link to a MS blog telling the news:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2006/04/19/579109.aspx

Here's the official press release:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/apr06/04-19VSExpressFreePR.msp
x

Bobby



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Apr 19 12:34:58 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:34:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D3527D@ADGSERVER>

SQL Server 2005 SP1
The SQL Server 2005 SP1 is finally out and what interests me the most is the
management studio for SQL Express which is finally released not as a CTP. 

Here are some links: 

SP1 Readme 
http://tinyurl.com/n6fca

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0167129-5ac8-49c4-
90bd-0493f3773081&DisplayLang=en 


SP1
http://tinyurl.com/qnkzb

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-47ff-
9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en 


Express Edition 
http://tinyurl.com/syv6w

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=11350b1f-8f44-4db6-
b542-4a4b869c2ff1&DisplayLang=en 
 (Note: this is the full download of Express @ the SP1 level. If you want to
patch Express, download just SP1)


Express Edition with Advanced Services 
http://tinyurl.com/q29o5

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4c6ba9fd-319a-4887-
bc75-3b02b5e48a40&DisplayLang=en 


Management Studio Express
http://tinyurl.com/mw5lz

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c243a5ae-4bd1-4e3d-
94b8-5a0f62bf7796&DisplayLang=en 


Express Edition Toolkit
http://tinyurl.com/oohdk

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3c856b93-369f-4c6f-
9357-c35384179543&DisplayLang=en 




From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Apr 19 12:41:17 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:41:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory leak
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E04A4@aries.TexasSystems.local>


Marty, Micheal:

> Leaks may depend on the version of MDAC being run ... 

I think so too... Micheal's PHP snippet works almost exactly the same as
my second leak example -- only my code (A2K, ADO 2.8) doesn't leak
anywhere near as fast as 86K an iteration (maybe 86K over a thousand
iterations). Seems like a version issue.

However, the Access CurrentProject.Connection issue John observed does
leak at around 86K per iteration, regardless of the version of ADO
referenced. Perhaps Access is using outdated ADO code internally to
generate its Connection objects.

-Ken


From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Apr 19 13:02:01 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:02:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2k - Report group counter
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A4E04A7@aries.TexasSystems.local>

 
Patricia, 

> I have a report where I want to count the number of unique People in a
group that received checks ...  

Well, in SQL Server you have Count(Distinct PEOPLE_ID), which will count
the distict people receiving checks. 

Access has no Count Distict function. To duplicate the function, you
have to make a separate query:

    SELECT qSub.GroupID, Count(qSub.PEOPLE_ID) AS GrpPeopleCt 
    FROM (SELECT DISTINCT GroupID, PEOPLE_ID FROM tblMyTable) AS qSub 
    GROUP BY GroupID

This query simply counts the distict people returned from its subquery,
qSub.

Add this query to your original, and join by your GroupID field to get
your GrpPeopleCt value for each group. 

-Ken


From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Apr 19 18:01:40 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:01:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL	Server List
References: <s44678b0.022@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003601c66405$38cef860$6601a8c0@office>

Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Hi Kath

  Just noticed this, though not a book:

    http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349

  I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
  (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

  I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

  But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

  (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

  (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

  ______________________________________
  Kath Pelletti


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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Wed Apr 19 18:54:38 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:54:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q
In-Reply-To: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1BDACF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20060419235446.DSNO14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi Drew, Jim Hewson and Jim Hale 
Thanks
Validation was the answer

Thanks for the other tips

Brilliant

Darren
------------------------------
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q

To do this for one cell, select the cell, for a whole column, select the column.
Once selected, go to Data --> Validation.  That will open a form.
On the first tab, change the combo box to 'list'.  You can set up the list any
way you want, the easiest is to make it another column (say on a background
sheet).  Now the users will get a combobox when they are in that cell/column,
and it will force them to select from the list.  You can even customize the
message they get if they try to put different data in, with the Validation
option.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel combo Box Q


Hi All
OT - EXCEL Q
 
We have an excel spreadsheet
I want to limit the data entry for 5 or 6 columns to the data in combo boxes for
a whole column firstly - How does one create a combo in Excel and 'bind' its
results to a cell?

Secondly - Do I have to manually do this for each cell in the column?
(Potentially 5 or 6 X 65K ?)
 
Many thanks
 
Darren
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 20 01:06:35 2006
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Measure Outlook Time?!
Message-ID: <20060420060635.44285.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I received a question from my teamleader.
(Pardon my English the following is a bit crappy)
We have to report all (work-related hehe) activities
we do per day. The minimum quantity is 15 minutes.

Every body writes 1 hour for mail activities. We think
that this is much much higher since we receive 100-200
e-mails per day. 

Here's the question:
Is it possible to measure the time Outlook has the
focus? So or the Outlook GUI, or appointments or new
e-mail???
Is this possible??

TIA!

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Apr 20 03:01:34 2006
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:01:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A501@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Take care people...

>From another list...

First impression ... this is the worst sql service pack for years.

After installing and testing the CTP-SP1 build 2040 on 4 development and
test servers for 4 weeks with no errors, we decided to test the official
SP1 build 2047.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-4
7ff-9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en

The details:

Server A (32bit Win2003 and 32bit SQL2005): Installation runs smoothly,
no errors on first sight. But then discovered, that sql is still
reporting to be build 2040 (CTP-SP1) and we believe it, because it's the
only test server which is fully functional (Integration Services) at the
moment. But installer said SP1 Installation successful ... ???

Server B (32bit Win2000 and 32bit SQL2005): Aborted with Client
Components installation. Found out that 630MB free on drive C isn't
enough. After clearing 800MB on C, installation runs with no errors.
After rebooting can't connect to Integration Services (HRESULT:
0x8002801D, TYPE_E_LIBNOTREGISTERED Microsoft.SqlServer.DTSRuntimeWrap)
:-(

Server C (64bit Win2003 and 64bit SQL2005): First installation aborted
with a failure on Integration Services, second try after a reboot says
everything ok, no errors. But after a second reboot Integration Services
service can't start. (The SQL Server Integration Services service failed
to start due to the following error: The service did not respond to the
start or control request in a timely fashion.) :-(

Server D (32bit Win2003 and 32bit SQL2005): Same as Server B, aborted
with Client Components installation. But even after the successful
second install has now a mixture installation with SP1 (build 2047) and
CTP-SP1 (build 2040). After rebooting can't connect to Integration
Services
(HRESULT: 0x8002801D, TYPE_E_LIBNOTREGISTERED
Microsoft.SqlServer.DTSRuntimeWrap) :-(

Well, after this experience we will stay on CTP-SP1 (build 2040) until
there's a usable SP1.

Does anybody else tried the SP1 already? What are your experiences?

Peter


cheers


Michael M

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 3:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today

SQL Server 2005 SP1
The SQL Server 2005 SP1 is finally out and what interests me the most is
the management studio for SQL Express which is finally released not as a
CTP. 

Here are some links: 

SP1 Readme
http://tinyurl.com/n6fca

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0167129-5ac8-4
9c4-
90bd-0493f3773081&DisplayLang=en 


SP1
http://tinyurl.com/qnkzb

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-4
7ff-
9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en 


Express Edition
http://tinyurl.com/syv6w

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=11350b1f-8f44-4
db6-
b542-4a4b869c2ff1&DisplayLang=en
 (Note: this is the full download of Express @ the SP1 level. If you
want to patch Express, download just SP1)


Express Edition with Advanced Services 
http://tinyurl.com/q29o5

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4c6ba9fd-319a-4
887-
bc75-3b02b5e48a40&DisplayLang=en 


Management Studio Express
http://tinyurl.com/mw5lz

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c243a5ae-4bd1-4
e3d-
94b8-5a0f62bf7796&DisplayLang=en 


Express Edition Toolkit
http://tinyurl.com/oohdk

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3c856b93-369f-4
c6f-
9357-c35384179543&DisplayLang=en 


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 20 03:02:38 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:02:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL	Server List
References: <s44678b0.022@cactus.dk> <003601c66405$38cef860$6601a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <002701c66452$817174b0$6501a8c0@Nant>

Kath,

The following are two must have books I think (watch line wraps):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321154894/104-9120876-4614340?v=glance&n=283155
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321194454/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-9120876-4614340?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

" .NET Framework Standard Library Annotated Reference, Volume 1 & 2 are the 
definitive reference for the .NET Framework base class library. This book/CD 
set utilizes extensive annotations and code samples from the creators of the 
technology to move beyond the online documentation and provide .NET 
developers with a dictionary-style reference to the most-used parts of the 
Framework."

The samples are in C# but there are many free converters, which can 
instantly convert them to VB.NET...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
List


> Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US 
> addresses only,
> Kath
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Gustav Brock
>  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
> List
>
>
>  Hi Kath
>
>  Just noticed this, though not a book:
>
>    http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349
>
>  I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.
>
>  /gustav
>
>  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
>  (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
>  I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have 
> found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god 
> send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this 
> learning curve....
>
>  But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 
> 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very 
> much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which 
> will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
>
>  (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that 
> it is more of a reference book.)
>
>  (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there 
> another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
>  ______________________________________
>  Kath Pelletti
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 04:34:29 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:34:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
Message-ID: <s44771e0.039@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

Follow the link to International Customers:

http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&category%5Fname=ALLDemo

It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Hi Kath

  Just noticed this, though not a book:

    http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 

  I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
  (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

  I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

  But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

  (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

  (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

  ______________________________________
  Kath Pelletti




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 05:07:43 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:07:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Format to round to the thousand or million
Message-ID: <s44779a9.044@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you know that Format() will let you perform a 4/5 rounding to the thousands or millions etc.?
The trick is to append thousand separators to the format string:

curAmount = 3900725021.36

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0")
3,900,725,021

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,")
3,900,725

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,,")
3,901

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,,,")
4

The same format strings can be applied as Format property of a Textbox.

/gustav



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Apr 20 06:15:23 2006
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:15:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Format to round to the thousand or million
Message-ID: <20060420101526.4A78B3483D9@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

That's neat Gustav. I can think of plenty of times that would have been a
quick alternative on reports. Thanks for the tip. (Now all I have to do is
remember it!)

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Subject: [AccessD] Format to round to the thousand or million
Date: 20/04/06 10:10


Hi all

Did you know that Format() will let you perform a 4/5 rounding to the
thousands or millions etc.?
The trick is to append thousand separators to the format string:

curAmount = 3900725021.36

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0")
3,900,725,021

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,")
3,900,725

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,,")
3,901

? Format(curAmount,"#,##0,,,")
4

The same format strings can be applied as Format property of a Textbox.

/gustav

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 05:23:21 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:23:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today
References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A501@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <000f01c66464$73eff250$6601a8c0@office>

Not having tried it,thanks for the warning...

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Maddison 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today


  Take care people...

  >From another list...

  First impression ... this is the worst sql service pack for years.

  After installing and testing the CTP-SP1 build 2040 on 4 development and
  test servers for 4 weeks with no errors, we decided to test the official
  SP1 build 2047.
  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-4
  7ff-9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en

  The details:

  Server A (32bit Win2003 and 32bit SQL2005): Installation runs smoothly,
  no errors on first sight. But then discovered, that sql is still
  reporting to be build 2040 (CTP-SP1) and we believe it, because it's the
  only test server which is fully functional (Integration Services) at the
  moment. But installer said SP1 Installation successful ... ???

  Server B (32bit Win2000 and 32bit SQL2005): Aborted with Client
  Components installation. Found out that 630MB free on drive C isn't
  enough. After clearing 800MB on C, installation runs with no errors.
  After rebooting can't connect to Integration Services (HRESULT:
  0x8002801D, TYPE_E_LIBNOTREGISTERED Microsoft.SqlServer.DTSRuntimeWrap)
  :-(

  Server C (64bit Win2003 and 64bit SQL2005): First installation aborted
  with a failure on Integration Services, second try after a reboot says
  everything ok, no errors. But after a second reboot Integration Services
  service can't start. (The SQL Server Integration Services service failed
  to start due to the following error: The service did not respond to the
  start or control request in a timely fashion.) :-(

  Server D (32bit Win2003 and 32bit SQL2005): Same as Server B, aborted
  with Client Components installation. But even after the successful
  second install has now a mixture installation with SP1 (build 2047) and
  CTP-SP1 (build 2040). After rebooting can't connect to Integration
  Services
  (HRESULT: 0x8002801D, TYPE_E_LIBNOTREGISTERED
  Microsoft.SqlServer.DTSRuntimeWrap) :-(

  Well, after this experience we will stay on CTP-SP1 (build 2040) until
  there's a usable SP1.

  Does anybody else tried the SP1 already? What are your experiences?

  Peter


  cheers


  Michael M

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  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
  Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 3:35 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
  ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
  Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 SP1 released today

  SQL Server 2005 SP1
  The SQL Server 2005 SP1 is finally out and what interests me the most is
  the management studio for SQL Express which is finally released not as a
  CTP. 

  Here are some links: 

  SP1 Readme
  http://tinyurl.com/n6fca

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0167129-5ac8-4
  9c4-
  90bd-0493f3773081&DisplayLang=en 


  SP1
  http://tinyurl.com/qnkzb

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cb6c71ea-d649-4
  7ff-
  9176-e7cac58fd4bc&DisplayLang=en 


  Express Edition
  http://tinyurl.com/syv6w

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=11350b1f-8f44-4
  db6-
  b542-4a4b869c2ff1&DisplayLang=en
   (Note: this is the full download of Express @ the SP1 level. If you
  want to patch Express, download just SP1)


  Express Edition with Advanced Services 
  http://tinyurl.com/q29o5

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4c6ba9fd-319a-4
  887-
  bc75-3b02b5e48a40&DisplayLang=en 


  Management Studio Express
  http://tinyurl.com/mw5lz

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c243a5ae-4bd1-4
  e3d-
  94b8-5a0f62bf7796&DisplayLang=en 


  Express Edition Toolkit
  http://tinyurl.com/oohdk

  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3c856b93-369f-4
  c6f-
  9357-c35384179543&DisplayLang=en 


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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 05:36:20 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:36:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
References: <s44771e0.039@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001a01c66466$438a3290$6601a8c0@office>

I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me. I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back! I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge learning curve.

Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4 hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns (and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult until I learn it all again. Sigh....

Thanks Gustav
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Hi Kath

  Follow the link to International Customers:

  http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&category%5Fname=ALLDemo

  It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
  Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
  Kath

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gustav Brock 
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


    Hi Kath

    Just noticed this, though not a book:

      http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 

    I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

    /gustav

    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
    (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

    I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....

    But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

    (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)

    (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

    ______________________________________
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Apr 20 05:54:55 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:54:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43036255F5@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Kath - I have been converting an existing database to visualstudio 2005.
The application has so many features, it makes your head spin.  I have
code for the combo box at home - better yet, the check box controls, the
control for masking input for a field, etc.  I will send you the links
that have been extremely useful, and.... the location of the snippets
are all hidden in VS (the normal coding, for controlling actions of
buttons, etc).  If you would like my home email, email me off line.  I
can send you the sites I find and use as some users start to trickle in
to our new world.  

I just learned the painful lesson of coding an input mask box (took
three hours, yes...) only to find the code is already in the product.
One book that has been a huge help, is named "Mastering Visual Basic
2005" Sybex, ISBN 0-7821-4349-0.  Once I got this book, I was
jumpstarted.  Presently I am developing windows applications that I
deploy via the web.  Many of the user-pretty controls are not yet
available for web applications.  But.. I am using ADO for everything as
the next version of ADO claims to be working towards new features to
enhance web data problems, eliminating the triple state and it will
provide the ability to use the great features on windows forms.




Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List

I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me.
I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back!
I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge
learning curve.

Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to
a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4
hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns
(and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult
until I learn it all again. Sigh....

Thanks Gustav
Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gustav Brock
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
Server List


  Hi Kath

  Follow the link to International Customers:

 
http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&catego
ry%5Fname=ALLDemo

  It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
  Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US
addresses only,
  Kath

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gustav Brock 
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
Server List


    Hi Kath

    Just noticed this, though not a book:

      http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 

    I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

    /gustav

    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
    (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

    I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I
have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute
god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
learning curve....

    But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual
Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad -
very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book
which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

    (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that
that it is more of a reference book.)

    (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is
there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

    ______________________________________
    Kath Pelletti


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 06:07:37 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:07:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences	+	SQL	Server List
Message-ID: <s44787b7.045@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

Thanks! Please do.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 12:36 >>>
.. I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back! ..




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Apr 20 06:47:43 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:47:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: VB.net reference books -
	experiences + SQL Server List
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D88766@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35289@ADGSERVER>

You can also set it up so that every time the program starts, it checks a
given location for any updates.  If there are updates, you can make it so
that it loads the new version the next time, or it immediately loads and
runs the new version.

Looks like there's a lot of neat stuff there.

Here's some links for you:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/learning/clickonce/
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/library/t71a733d(VS.80).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/05/clickonce/default.aspx

A video: 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20040108ClickO
nceJC/manifest.xml

Bobby

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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +
SQL Server List
Importance: Low


You can create an executable - no more sagekey or that second rate
Access Deployment Package Wizard. 


Karen S. Long
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EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
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Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
List

Hi Karen - what is one click?

Kath



From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Thu Apr 20 08:35:47 2006
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:35:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2k - Report group counter
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8016B252D@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

THANK YOU.

More round-a-bout than I wanted to go but got the job done.  

Would like to be able to count the Person group footer data at the
Location level then the location level at the upper group level. 


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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 02:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2k - Report group counter
> 
>  
> Patricia, 
> 
> > I have a report where I want to count the number of unique 
> People in a
> group that received checks ...  
> 
> Well, in SQL Server you have Count(Distinct PEOPLE_ID), which 
> will count the distict people receiving checks. 
> 
> Access has no Count Distict function. To duplicate the 
> function, you have to make a separate query:
> 
>     SELECT qSub.GroupID, Count(qSub.PEOPLE_ID) AS GrpPeopleCt 
>     FROM (SELECT DISTINCT GroupID, PEOPLE_ID FROM tblMyTable) AS qSub 
>     GROUP BY GroupID
> 
> This query simply counts the distict people returned from its 
> subquery, qSub.
> 
> Add this query to your original, and join by your GroupID 
> field to get your GrpPeopleCt value for each group. 
> 
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 20 09:15:29 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:15:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Macro vs VBA
In-Reply-To: <00c101c663af$79507360$620765cb@pcadt>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F321F08090BF99617133A25D2BA0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via odbc 
to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together that 
create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No big 
deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the mdb 
will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a scheduler.  
My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to 
think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro or 
VBA?

Thanks,

Mark

P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...




From marcus at tsstech.com  Thu Apr 20 09:55:26 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:55:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A48@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

<<My question is is there any difference,
<< benefit, concern, or anything to think
<< about when choosing between launching
<< these 3 queries with a macro or VBA?

Sure, How about error handling when the database links are broken or
when the database is unavailable (network outage, maintenance, etc.)?
You will have better options with VBA.

Scott Marcus

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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA

Hello All,

Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via
odbc 
to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together
that 
create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No
big 
deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the
mdb 
will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a
scheduler.  
My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to

think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro
or 
VBA?

Thanks,

Mark

P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 20 09:57:16 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
References: <BAY114-F321F08090BF99617133A25D2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002001c6648a$b8554be0$6501a8c0@Nant>

> P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
Mark,

The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the simpler you 
project will look like in the end...  :)

If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost 
connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...

But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and 
program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases you 
can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program error 
handling.

This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers' 
satisfaction...

Shamil

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From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA


> Hello All,
>
> Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via odbc
> to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together 
> that
> create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No 
> big
> deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the mdb
> will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a 
> scheduler.
> My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to
> think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro 
> or
> VBA?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 20 10:14:06 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:14:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
In-Reply-To: <002001c6648a$b8554be0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F24C83DACCACA0E8C5EC53DD2BA0@phx.gbl>

I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>Mark,
>
>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the simpler 
>you
>project will look like in the end...  :)
>
>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost
>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases you
>can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program error
>handling.
>
>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers'
>satisfaction...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via 
>odbc
> > to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together
> > that
> > create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No
> > big
> > deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the 
>mdb
> > will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a
> > scheduler.
> > My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to
> > think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro
> > or
> > VBA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
> >
> >
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Apr 20 10:43:04 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:43:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F20715FC7@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

So log any error messages to a table that can be checked when a human
operator next runs the application.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA


I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and 
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>Mark,
>
>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the 
>simpler
>you
>project will look like in the end...  :)
>
>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost 
>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and 
>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases 
>you can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program 
>error handling.
>
>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers' 
>satisfaction...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links 
> > via
>odbc
> > to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries 
> > together that create a local copy of the data...delete the 
> > old...that kinda stuff.  No big
> > deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the 
>mdb
> > will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a 
> > scheduler. My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, 
> > or anything to think about when choosing between launching these 3 
> > queries with a macro or
> > VBA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
> >
> >
> > --
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 10:45:00 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:45:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
Message-ID: <s447c8ae.064@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Write Success or Fail to a log file, a log table or a log e-mail.

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 20-04-2006 17:14:06 >>>
I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?




From marcus at tsstech.com  Thu Apr 20 10:59:39 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:59:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F6A4C@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

Maybe the program could email someone when the process fails.

Scott Marcus
Computer Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com
513-772-7000 x1113


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA

I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't
be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>Mark,
>
>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the
simpler 
>you
>project will look like in the end...  :)
>
>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost
>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases
you
>can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program
error
>handling.
>
>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers'
>satisfaction...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links
via 
>odbc
> > to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries
together
> > that
> > create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.
No
> > big
> > deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.
the 
>mdb
> > will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a
> > scheduler.
> > My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or
anything to
> > think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a
macro
> > or
> > VBA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
> >
> >
> > --
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 11:07:24 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:07:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F24C83DACCACA0E8C5EC53DD2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060420160734.C3F6342BBE@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Email error reports to someone.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA

I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for

The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be 
anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>Mark,
>
>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the simpler 
>you
>project will look like in the end...  :)
>
>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost
>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>
>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases you
>can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program error
>handling.
>
>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers'
>satisfaction...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Some one contacted me with an app that links to an mdb that links via 
>odbc
> > to informix(I think)...anyway...I'm going to put a few queries together
> > that
> > create a local copy of the data...delete the old...that kinda stuff.  No
> > big
> > deal...this mdb will do nothing else than house a temp recordset.  the 
>mdb
> > will be running 1 append and 2 delete queries...once a day via a
> > scheduler.
> > My question is is there any difference, benefit, concern, or anything to
> > think about when choosing between launching these 3 queries with a macro
> > or
> > VBA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 20 11:36:14 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:36:14 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
References: <BAY114-F24C83DACCACA0E8C5EC53DD2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004401c66498$8b67cc80$6501a8c0@Nant>

Implement unattended execution mode and logging.
Then port your solution by copy&paste to VB6.
Abandon MS Access.
Make VB6 GUI-less/console .exe app.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA


>I agree...but the dilema would be how to notify someone.
>>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>>program graceful user friendly messages for
>
> The database will be opened once a day by a scheduler...there wouldn't be
> anyone there to see the userfriendly message.  any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
>
>>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Macro vs VBA
>>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:16 +0400
>>
>> > P.S...Its funny how the simple projects bring more questions...
>>Mark,
>>
>>The more questions you ask(yourself) and answer(by yourself) the simpler
>>you
>>project will look like in the end...  :)
>>
>>If you're 100% sure that your queries will never break because of lost
>>connections to Informix or "dirty" source data etc. - go with macros...
>>
>>But I think nobody can be 100% sure about that - therefore use VBA and
>>program graceful user friendly messages for all the exceptional cases you
>>can imagine and for the ones you can't imagine/foresee now program error
>>handling.
>>
>>This is what VBA gives - "bullet-proof' solutions and customers'
>>satisfaction...
>>
>>Shamil
<<< tail skipped >>>


From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 11:56:56 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:56:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK
Message-ID: <20060420165703.6CF5442A4F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

This is a situation I have run into before and just wondered how you guys
handle this.  The situation in this particular case is:

 

A claimant can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

A "Payee" can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

 

So you have common information:

 

tblEFTData

 

FKID

BankName

RoutingNo

AcctNo

IDCLMT            <FK from the Claimant table

IDPAYEE          <FK from the payee table

 

Do you create two fields to hold the possible FKs?  This makes clean SQL
implementation - you can join the Claimant table or the Payee Table, just
join on the correct field.

 

Or.

 

Do you use a common FK field and a "FK Type" field

 

IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field

IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.

 

Again, this can be done fairly simply in SQL, join on the common field, and
just feed in a different IDFKType in the Where clause?

 

The second method does not allow simple engine enforcement of relational
integrity, but it allows easy creation of other entities using tblEFTData.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Apr 20 12:41:38 2006
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:41:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK
References: <20060420165703.6CF5442A4F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <000801c664a1$ae9217c0$6501a8c0@Nant>

John,

The second solution is more flexible:

> IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field
> IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.

>From relational data model purists point of view yet another solution with 
additional relationship tables is more correct and as flexible as the second 
one.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK


> This is a situation I have run into before and just wondered how you guys
> handle this.  The situation in this particular case is:
>
>
>
> A claimant can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into 
> several
> different accounts.
>
> A "Payee" can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
> different accounts.
>
>
>
> So you have common information:
>
>
>
> tblEFTData
>
>
>
> FKID
>
> BankName
>
> RoutingNo
>
> AcctNo
>
> IDCLMT            <FK from the Claimant table
>
> IDPAYEE          <FK from the payee table
>
>
>
> Do you create two fields to hold the possible FKs?  This makes clean SQL
> implementation - you can join the Claimant table or the Payee Table, just
> join on the correct field.
>
>
>
> Or.
>
>
>
> Do you use a common FK field and a "FK Type" field
>
>
>
> IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field
>
> IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.
>
>
>
> Again, this can be done fairly simply in SQL, join on the common field, 
> and
> just feed in a different IDFKType in the Where clause?
>
>
>
> The second method does not allow simple engine enforcement of relational
> integrity, but it allows easy creation of other entities using tblEFTData.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 20 12:50:57 2006
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:50:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK
In-Reply-To: <20060420165703.6CF5442A4F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <E1FWdIz-00048y-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

  Six one half a dozen another type of thing...

  I use Style #2 because from my viewpoint, the transaction is related to
only one other thing.  With separate fields, it would be possible to fill
both fields (i.e.. Someone edits the table by hand) and you now have one
transaction related to two things.

  You also have additional overhead in maintaining extra indexes.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK

This is a situation I have run into before and just wondered how you guys
handle this.  The situation in this particular case is:

 

A claimant can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

A "Payee" can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

 

So you have common information:

 

tblEFTData

 

FKID

BankName

RoutingNo

AcctNo

IDCLMT            <FK from the Claimant table

IDPAYEE          <FK from the payee table

 

Do you create two fields to hold the possible FKs?  This makes clean SQL
implementation - you can join the Claimant table or the Payee Table, just
join on the correct field.

 

Or.

 

Do you use a common FK field and a "FK Type" field

 

IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field

IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.

 

Again, this can be done fairly simply in SQL, join on the common field, and
just feed in a different IDFKType in the Where clause?

 

The second method does not allow simple engine enforcement of relational
integrity, but it allows easy creation of other entities using tblEFTData.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 

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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Thu Apr 20 12:51:33 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:51:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Normalizing Excel Data
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1145552401.16245.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF89424BE5.BA8BE551-ON85257156.0060CCA5-85257156.00621AAD@is002023.gdls.com>

This will be a simplified version of what I need. I believe I can expand it
appropriately, if I can be helped in this simplified version.

Let's say we have an Excel spreadsheet with the following data:

ID    Name  Data_A      Data_B      Data_C
100   Tom   11    22    33
101   Mary  44    55    66
102   John  77    88    99

Now, what I want to do is to import this into Access, where I've already
normalized tables as follows:

tblMain
Main_ID     Long integer, autonumber
Main_Num    Single
Main_Name   Text


tblData
Data_ID     Long integer, autonumber
Data_Num    Single
Data_Value  Single


What I need to create from these tables and the appropriate relationship is
as follows:

Data_Num    Data_Value
100.01            11
100.02            22
100.03            33
101.01            44
101.02            55
etc.

What I am doing is creating a new ID number for each Name-Data combination,
and entering its given data in that record. For each value in DataA, the
new ID number is formed by adding .01 to the Main_Num for the corresponding
Name record.

This is required by business rules, not by logical database rules. Sigh.
Anyway, I'm looking for logical ways to (1) set this up initially, (2)
import the Excel data, which is, of course, flat file, and (3) have it
available afterwords for normal database usage, meaning inputting data
directly, rather than through importing.

I hope this is clear (I wouldn't place any bets on it, though). Any help
would be sincerely appreciated. I've been working on it for quite a while,
but just can't seem to get a handle on it.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 20 13:47:55 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:47:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Normalizing Excel Data
References: <OF89424BE5.BA8BE551-ON85257156.0060CCA5-85257156.00621AAD@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <4447D75B.4050607@shaw.ca>

Why not do it through ADO rather than import, you can retrieve 
individual sheets too.

    'Open the ADO connection to the Excel workbook
    Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
    oConn.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
               "Data Source=" & App.Path & "\Results\Orders1.xls;" & _
               "Extended Properties=""Excel 8.0;HDR=NO;"""

Then just move the Excel fields into Access Tables.

ExcelADO demonstrates how to use ADO to read and write data in Excel 
workbooks
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/278973/EN-US/

and
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257819/EN-US/

Here are some slightly different methods but still ADO based
I tested by exporting  Northwind Products table to xls file.

Sub test()
Dim oConn As New ADODB.Connection
Dim oRS As New ADODB.Recordset
Set oRS = New ADODB.Recordset
Set oConn = New ADODB.Connection
With oConn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties").Value = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\Excel\ExcelADO\Results\Products.xls"
    '....
   
    'Set oRS = cConn.Open("Select * from [Sheet1$A1:B10]", oConn, 
adOpenStatic)
With oRS
 .Open "Insert Into tbltest SELECT * FROM [Products$A1:B10]", _
         oConn, adOpenStatic
 '.Open "SELECT * FROM [Sheet1$] WHERE LastName = 'Doe'", _
 '        cnnDB, adOpenDynamic, , adCmdText
 Debug.Print oRS.RecordCount
 .Close
End With
    .Close
End With

End Sub



Sub ImportExcelToAccess()
Dim sqlString As String
Dim strexcelpath As String
Dim dbs As Database
Set dbs = CurrentDb
strexcelpath = "C:\Excel\ExcelADO\Results\Products.xls"

'Import to Excel
'Assumes Access table does not already exist

sqlString = "SELECT * INTO [tblExcelNew] FROM [Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & _
             strexcelpath & ";HDR=Yes;IMEX=1].[Products$A1:B100]"
'export to Excel
sqlString = " INSERT INTO [Excel 
8.0;Database=C:\temp\MyWorkbook.xls;].[MySheet1$E6:G65536]" & _
            "SELECT * FROM MyTable WHERE MyKeyCol = 99"
           
'Assumes Access table exists
'sqlString = "INSERT INTO [tblExcelNew] (Product, UnitPrice, 
UnitsInStock)" & _
' " SELECT Product, UnitPrice, UnitsInStock from" & _
' "[Excel 8.0;DATABASE=" & strexcelpath & ";HDR=Yes;IMEX=1].[Products$];"

Debug.Print sqlString
dbs.Execute sqlString
Set cnn = Nothing

End Sub

ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:

>This will be a simplified version of what I need. I believe I can expand it
>appropriately, if I can be helped in this simplified version.
>
>Let's say we have an Excel spreadsheet with the following data:
>
>ID    Name  Data_A      Data_B      Data_C
>100   Tom   11    22    33
>101   Mary  44    55    66
>102   John  77    88    99
>
>Now, what I want to do is to import this into Access, where I've already
>normalized tables as follows:
>
>tblMain
>Main_ID     Long integer, autonumber
>Main_Num    Single
>Main_Name   Text
>
>
>tblData
>Data_ID     Long integer, autonumber
>Data_Num    Single
>Data_Value  Single
>
>
>What I need to create from these tables and the appropriate relationship is
>as follows:
>
>Data_Num    Data_Value
>100.01            11
>100.02            22
>100.03            33
>101.01            44
>101.02            55
>etc.
>
>What I am doing is creating a new ID number for each Name-Data combination,
>and entering its given data in that record. For each value in DataA, the
>new ID number is formed by adding .01 to the Main_Num for the corresponding
>Name record.
>
>This is required by business rules, not by logical database rules. Sigh.
>Anyway, I'm looking for logical ways to (1) set this up initially, (2)
>import the Excel data, which is, of course, flat file, and (3) have it
>available afterwords for normal database usage, meaning inputting data
>directly, rather than through importing.
>
>I hope this is clear (I wouldn't place any bets on it, though). Any help
>would be sincerely appreciated. I've been working on it for quite a while,
>but just can't seem to get a handle on it.
>
>TIA,
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>FCS Database Manager
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>(586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 13:49:44 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:49:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK
In-Reply-To: <E1FWdIz-00048y-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060420184953.ABE8B42AC4@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Good points.   


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Same data, different FK

John,

  Six one half a dozen another type of thing...

  I use Style #2 because from my viewpoint, the transaction is related to
only one other thing.  With separate fields, it would be possible to fill
both fields (i.e.. Someone edits the table by hand) and you now have one
transaction related to two things.

  You also have additional overhead in maintaining extra indexes.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Same data, different FK

This is a situation I have run into before and just wondered how you guys
handle this.  The situation in this particular case is:

 

A claimant can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

A "Payee" can have direct deposit.  The direct deposit can go into several
different accounts.

 

So you have common information:

 

tblEFTData

 

FKID

BankName

RoutingNo

AcctNo

IDCLMT            <FK from the Claimant table

IDPAYEE          <FK from the payee table

 

Do you create two fields to hold the possible FKs?  This makes clean SQL
implementation - you can join the Claimant table or the Payee Table, just
join on the correct field.

 

Or.

 

Do you use a common FK field and a "FK Type" field

 

IDFK                 <Place FK from Claimant and Payee in this field

IDFKType         <Place an indicator of which type of FK this is.

 

Again, this can be done fairly simply in SQL, join on the common field, and
just feed in a different IDFKType in the Where clause?

 

The second method does not allow simple engine enforcement of relational
integrity, but it allows easy creation of other entities using tblEFTData.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

 

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 14:05:41 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:05:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <20060420190550.860EC42BBF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

I have a specific tabbed form in the Disability Insurance Specialists
database, which shows all claim info, i.e. all claim and child tables.
There are 19 tabs!  Most tabs contain subforms displaying data from the
tables child to Claim.  I use Just In Time subforms to only open the
subforms when a specific tab is clicked on (all driven automatically by the
framework BTW).

This works just fine.  The only issue that just started occurring is the
"can't open any more databases".  This is one of Access misleading error
messages, and appears to be caused by the fact that each object with a data
source such as forms (subforms), combos and list boxes all "open a
connection" to the BE which stays open as long as the object is open.  I
haven't (recently) counted how many such objects can be open at once but the
number is quite large.  I seem to remember from long ago when I was
investigating this, that it is something like 240.

One workaround that I am using is to unload the subform on a tab as the
person "tabs away".  Since the subform now closes, all such objects
contained in that form close and their "connection" is returned to the pool
of available connections.  This has a rather serious side effect of slowing
down the operation of the form when they go back to a specific tab
containing subforms, as the subform has to reload every time the tab is
clicked.

I would try to use ADO recordsets if I thought it would help.  Before I do
that though, does anyone know if changing the query behind a combo to a
snapshot would prevent this issue?  IOW, does a recordset being a snapshot
allow Access to close the connection (and does Access do so)?

The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if changing
to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then this would go a
long way to ameliorating this issue

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Apr 20 14:32:42 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625628@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Converting the queries to code helps, shapshot mode is faster, but ADO
is the bomb. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

I have a specific tabbed form in the Disability Insurance Specialists
database, which shows all claim info, i.e. all claim and child tables.
There are 19 tabs!  Most tabs contain subforms displaying data from the
tables child to Claim.  I use Just In Time subforms to only open the
subforms when a specific tab is clicked on (all driven automatically by
the framework BTW).

This works just fine.  The only issue that just started occurring is the
"can't open any more databases".  This is one of Access misleading error
messages, and appears to be caused by the fact that each object with a
data source such as forms (subforms), combos and list boxes all "open a
connection" to the BE which stays open as long as the object is open.  I
haven't (recently) counted how many such objects can be open at once but
the number is quite large.  I seem to remember from long ago when I was
investigating this, that it is something like 240.

One workaround that I am using is to unload the subform on a tab as the
person "tabs away".  Since the subform now closes, all such objects
contained in that form close and their "connection" is returned to the
pool of available connections.  This has a rather serious side effect of
slowing down the operation of the form when they go back to a specific
tab containing subforms, as the subform has to reload every time the tab
is clicked.

I would try to use ADO recordsets if I thought it would help.  Before I
do that though, does anyone know if changing the query behind a combo to
a snapshot would prevent this issue?  IOW, does a recordset being a
snapshot allow Access to close the connection (and does Access do so)?

The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if
changing to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then
this would go a long way to ameliorating this issue

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 14:42:08 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:42:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625628@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <20060420194217.62F5042BCC@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

?but ADO is the bomb

What does this mean?  Bad or good?


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen S.
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

Converting the queries to code helps, shapshot mode is faster, but ADO is
the bomb. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

I have a specific tabbed form in the Disability Insurance Specialists
database, which shows all claim info, i.e. all claim and child tables.
There are 19 tabs!  Most tabs contain subforms displaying data from the
tables child to Claim.  I use Just In Time subforms to only open the
subforms when a specific tab is clicked on (all driven automatically by the
framework BTW).

This works just fine.  The only issue that just started occurring is the
"can't open any more databases".  This is one of Access misleading error
messages, and appears to be caused by the fact that each object with a data
source such as forms (subforms), combos and list boxes all "open a
connection" to the BE which stays open as long as the object is open.  I
haven't (recently) counted how many such objects can be open at once but the
number is quite large.  I seem to remember from long ago when I was
investigating this, that it is something like 240.

One workaround that I am using is to unload the subform on a tab as the
person "tabs away".  Since the subform now closes, all such objects
contained in that form close and their "connection" is returned to the pool
of available connections.  This has a rather serious side effect of slowing
down the operation of the form when they go back to a specific tab
containing subforms, as the subform has to reload every time the tab is
clicked.

I would try to use ADO recordsets if I thought it would help.  Before I do
that though, does anyone know if changing the query behind a combo to a
snapshot would prevent this issue?  IOW, does a recordset being a snapshot
allow Access to close the connection (and does Access do so)?

The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if changing
to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then this would go a
long way to ameliorating this issue

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 20 15:18:00 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:18:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <20060420194217.62F5042BCC@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F3881C0380B20A7473A2390D2BA0@phx.gbl>

lol...I don't really want to comment on that JC...but it reminds me...

I was having lunch at a favorite hangout a few weeks...and one of the YOUNG 
waitresses made a comment about me...I just smiled...and when I got home I 
asked one of the neighborhood kids...it turns out it translated to a very 
flattering compliment( but made me very aware of the age difference).  Who 
knew?!?!?!?

I guess every generation/region adds its own twist/mark on the English 
language.  I wonder if other languages go though this reversal of meaning 
with each new generation.

Either way...I don't think you intended it that way...but thanks for the 
humor.

Mark A. Matte


>From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:42:08 -0400
>
>?but ADO is the bomb
>
>What does this mean?  Bad or good?
>
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen S.
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:33 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
>
>Converting the queries to code helps, shapshot mode is faster, but ADO is
>the bomb.
>
>
>Karen S. Long
>Programmer Analyst
>EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
>Pittsburgh, PA
>Phone: 412-386-6649
>Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:06 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
>
>I have a specific tabbed form in the Disability Insurance Specialists
>database, which shows all claim info, i.e. all claim and child tables.
>There are 19 tabs!  Most tabs contain subforms displaying data from the
>tables child to Claim.  I use Just In Time subforms to only open the
>subforms when a specific tab is clicked on (all driven automatically by the
>framework BTW).
>
>This works just fine.  The only issue that just started occurring is the
>"can't open any more databases".  This is one of Access misleading error
>messages, and appears to be caused by the fact that each object with a data
>source such as forms (subforms), combos and list boxes all "open a
>connection" to the BE which stays open as long as the object is open.  I
>haven't (recently) counted how many such objects can be open at once but 
>the
>number is quite large.  I seem to remember from long ago when I was
>investigating this, that it is something like 240.
>
>One workaround that I am using is to unload the subform on a tab as the
>person "tabs away".  Since the subform now closes, all such objects
>contained in that form close and their "connection" is returned to the pool
>of available connections.  This has a rather serious side effect of slowing
>down the operation of the form when they go back to a specific tab
>containing subforms, as the subform has to reload every time the tab is
>clicked.
>
>I would try to use ADO recordsets if I thought it would help.  Before I do
>that though, does anyone know if changing the query behind a combo to a
>snapshot would prevent this issue?  IOW, does a recordset being a snapshot
>allow Access to close the connection (and does Access do so)?
>
>The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if 
>changing
>to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then this would go a
>long way to ameliorating this issue
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 20 16:43:58 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:43:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <20060420190550.860EC42BBF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <44488D3E.13192.18C95843@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 20 Apr 2006 at 15:05, John Colby wrote:


> The vast majority of these "open recordsets" are for combos, and if changing
> to a snapshot would return the connection to the pool, then this would go a
> long way to ameliorating this issue

If the combo data is static, one way to cut down the connections is to pull 
it all once into arrays and feed it into the combos as lists rather than 
using recordsets.

I've just done something similar recently in a VB/SQL Server application 
where I have a large number of inter-dependent combo boxes. With up to 100 
concurrently users, I didn't want to be requerying multiple comboboxes over 
the network constantly, so I pull all the data into a set of arrays at 
startup and dynamically build the combobox datalists from the arrays as 
required.

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 18:19:29 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:19:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43036255F5@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <001701c664d0$e07f6ba0$6601a8c0@office>

Thanks Karen - great to hear form someone going through the same process.....I think my job on this particular application is that I am learning SQL Server 2005 at the same time as learning vb.net.

Lots of pitfalls in both places - but it's coming together slowly. I would really appreciate any links / snippets you can pass on and I will be very happy to do the same.

The only real code I can offer at the moment is to bind data to a dataviewgrid on a form - I am learning everything from scratch again. I have the SQL back end defined, a menu system roughed out, some import processes written,  and I am now working through the forms. 

The most frustrating thing I am finding with web links (especially with MS!) is that you google  eg. 'bind combo visual basic.net" and end up with samples which are headed .net but which use the old VB6 methods and controls, eg. DataGrid as opposed to DataGridWiew.

Are you writing an actual application in vb.net at the moment, or just learning up on it?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Long, Karen S. 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Kath - I have been converting an existing database to visualstudio 2005.
  The application has so many features, it makes your head spin.  I have
  code for the combo box at home - better yet, the check box controls, the
  control for masking input for a field, etc.  I will send you the links
  that have been extremely useful, and.... the location of the snippets
  are all hidden in VS (the normal coding, for controlling actions of
  buttons, etc).  If you would like my home email, email me off line.  I
  can send you the sites I find and use as some users start to trickle in
  to our new world.  

  I just learned the painful lesson of coding an input mask box (took
  three hours, yes...) only to find the code is already in the product.
  One book that has been a huge help, is named "Mastering Visual Basic
  2005" Sybex, ISBN 0-7821-4349-0.  Once I got this book, I was
  jumpstarted.  Presently I am developing windows applications that I
  deploy via the web.  Many of the user-pretty controls are not yet
  available for web applications.  But.. I am using ADO for everything as
  the next version of ADO claims to be working towards new features to
  enhance web data problems, eliminating the triple state and it will
  provide the ability to use the great features on windows forms.




  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:36 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
  List

  I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me.
  I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back!
  I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge
  learning curve.

  Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to
  a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4
  hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns
  (and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult
  until I learn it all again. Sigh....

  Thanks Gustav
  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Gustav Brock
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
  Server List


    Hi Kath

    Follow the link to International Customers:

   
  http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&catego
  ry%5Fname=ALLDemo

    It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.

    /gustav

    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
    Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US
  addresses only,
    Kath

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Gustav Brock 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
  Server List


      Hi Kath

      Just noticed this, though not a book:

        http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 

      I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.

      /gustav

      >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
      (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)

      I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I
  have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute
  god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
  learning curve....

      But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual
  Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad -
  very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book
  which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

      (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that
  that it is more of a reference book.)

      (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is
  there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?

      ______________________________________
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 18:23:14 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:23:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL	Server List
References: <s44678b0.022@cactus.dk> <003601c66405$38cef860$6601a8c0@office>
	<002701c66452$817174b0$6501a8c0@Nant>
Message-ID: <003201c664d1$66221550$6601a8c0@office>

Thanks Shamil
Kath
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  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:02 PM
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  Kath,

  The following are two must have books I think (watch line wraps):

  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321154894/104-9120876-4614340?v=glance&n=283155
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321194454/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-9120876-4614340?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

  " .NET Framework Standard Library Annotated Reference, Volume 1 & 2 are the 
  definitive reference for the .NET Framework base class library. This book/CD 
  set utilizes extensive annotations and code samples from the creators of the 
  technology to move beyond the online documentation and provide .NET 
  developers with a dictionary-style reference to the most-used parts of the 
  Framework."

  The samples are in C# but there are many free converters, which can 
  instantly convert them to VB.NET...

  Shamil

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  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
  List


  > Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US 
  > addresses only,
  > Kath
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Gustav Brock
  >  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  >  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
  >  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server 
  > List
  >
  >
  >  Hi Kath
  >
  >  Just noticed this, though not a book:
  >
  >    http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349
  >
  >  I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.
  >
  >  /gustav
  >
  >  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
  >  (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
  >
  >  I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have 
  > found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god 
  > send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this 
  > learning curve....
  >
  >  But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 
  > 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very 
  > much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which 
  > will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
  >
  >  (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that 
  > it is more of a reference book.)
  >
  >  (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there 
  > another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
  >
  >  ______________________________________
  >  Kath Pelletti
  >
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Apr 20 18:35:31 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:35:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: VB.net reference books
	-experiences + SQL Server List
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35289@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <004f01c664d3$1d49f120$6601a8c0@office>

Bobby - have you used it? (Why does a product called Click Once from MS immediately make us all think that it'll be more like CLick 1000 times?)

:)
Kath
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  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:47 PM
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  You can also set it up so that every time the program starts, it checks a
  given location for any updates.  If there are updates, you can make it so
  that it loads the new version the next time, or it immediately loads and
  runs the new version.

  Looks like there's a lot of neat stuff there.

  Here's some links for you:
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/learning/clickonce/
  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/library/t71a733d(VS.80).aspx
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/05/clickonce/default.aspx

  A video: 
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20040108ClickO
  nceJC/manifest.xml

  Bobby

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  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:20 AM
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  SQL Server List
  Importance: Low


  You can create an executable - no more sagekey or that second rate
  Access Deployment Package Wizard. 


  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:34 AM
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  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server
  List

  Hi Karen - what is one click?

  Kath

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 20 20:05:36 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:05:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F3881C0380B20A7473A2390D2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060421010549.4912042A3C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

LOL, I intended it exactly that way.  "ADO is the bomb" sounds like an age
specific phrase and I am apparently not the right age to understand it.
We'll see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

lol...I don't really want to comment on that JC...but it reminds me...

I was having lunch at a favorite hangout a few weeks...and one of the YOUNG
waitresses made a comment about me...I just smiled...and when I got home I
asked one of the neighborhood kids...it turns out it translated to a very
flattering compliment( but made me very aware of the age difference).  Who
knew?!?!?!?

I guess every generation/region adds its own twist/mark on the English
language.  I wonder if other languages go though this reversal of meaning
with each new generation.

Either way...I don't think you intended it that way...but thanks for the
humor.

Mark A. Matte



From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Apr 20 20:56:57 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:56:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C723@dewey.Symphony.local>

I think it may be a cultural thing...because the first time I heard it
was from a group of very hip older (60+) ladies...four or five years
ago.  And they were applying it to our software!  Which they bought,
very happily.


Thanks,

Liz 

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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

LOL, I intended it exactly that way.  "ADO is the bomb" sounds like an
age specific phrase and I am apparently not the right age to understand
it.
We'll see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

lol...I don't really want to comment on that JC...but it reminds me...

I was having lunch at a favorite hangout a few weeks...and one of the
YOUNG waitresses made a comment about me...I just smiled...and when I
got home I asked one of the neighborhood kids...it turns out it
translated to a very flattering compliment( but made me very aware of
the age difference).  Who knew?!?!?!?

I guess every generation/region adds its own twist/mark on the English
language.  I wonder if other languages go though this reversal of
meaning with each new generation.

Either way...I don't think you intended it that way...but thanks for the
humor.

Mark A. Matte

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 20 22:23:08 2006
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:23:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
In-Reply-To: <4445588C.7030400@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F279A70040ED086AD397A33E5BB0@phx.gbl>

retrieve information from the computer's locale that created the string to 
determine short date format of dates

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0017.htm


>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Date Problem Again
>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:22:20 -0700
>
>Dear List:
>
>I have an expiration date encoded in a key.  It has the month and year
>of expiration which I extract into two two-character strings mm and yy.
>For the U.S. no problem - I just assemble the date "mm/dd/yy" (where dd
>is always '01') and compare it to the computer's calendar.  But if the
>program is being used outside the U.S. the date has to be assembled
>"dd/mm/yy".  Is there an easy way to find out which format to use or
>another way to get around the mmdd/ddmm problem altogether?
>
>MTIA
>
>Rocky
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 21 04:26:39 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:26:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Message-ID: <16006586.1145611599491.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103>

To All,
I am without success trying to write some code using ADO (Access XP) in a function which will loop through all the tables I have and if a particular table (schednew) exists then delete it.
Can anyone please provide some sample code or point me in the right direction to do this, as I am suffering from a Friday brain dead moment I think.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 21 05:00:34 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:00:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Message-ID: <s448c96f.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Why not just delete the table:

Function DeleteTable()
  
  Dim cat As New ADOX.Catalog
  Dim tbl As ADOX.Table
  
  cat.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
  On Error Resume Next
  Set tbl = cat.Tables("schednew")
  If Err.Number = 0 Then
    cat.Tables.Delete tbl.Name
  End If
  
  Set tbl = Nothing
  Set cat = Nothing

End Function


>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 11:26 >>>
To All,
I am without success trying to write some code using ADO (Access XP) in a function which will loop through all the tables I have and if a particular table (schednew) exists then delete it.
Can anyone please provide some sample code or point me in the right direction to do this, as I am suffering from a Friday brain dead moment I think.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 21 05:06:40 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:06:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Message-ID: <31267781.1145614000885.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103>

Thanks Gustav, but can't just delete the table as it's it a function and you pass the name of the table to the function, can be one of three, so I came up with this:
Function CheckTables(strName As String) As Integer
    ' **** Use This Function To Check For Existing Table Before Import, If Exists Then Delete It ****
    Dim catOpen As New ADOX.Catalog
    Dim tblFind As ADOX.Table
    
    Set catOpen.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
    
    For Each tblFind In catOpen.Tables
        If (tblFind.Name = strName) Then
            catOpen.Tables.Delete tblFind.Name
            'MsgBox tblFind.Name
        End If
    Next tblFind
    
    Set tblFind = Nothing
    Set catOpen = Nothing
End Function





Message Received: Apr 21 2006, 11:02 AM
From: "Gustav Brock" 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO

Hi Paul

Why not just delete the table:

Function DeleteTable()

Dim cat As New ADOX.Catalog
Dim tbl As ADOX.Table

cat.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
On Error Resume Next
Set tbl = cat.Tables("schednew")
If Err.Number = 0 Then
cat.Tables.Delete tbl.Name
End If

Set tbl = Nothing
Set cat = Nothing

End Function


>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 11:26 >>>
To All,
I am without success trying to write some code using ADO (Access XP) in a function which will loop through all the tables I have and if a particular table (schednew) exists then delete it.
Can anyone please provide some sample code or point me in the right direction to do this, as I am suffering from a Friday brain dead moment I think.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Apr 21 09:33:37 2006
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:33:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Utility
Message-ID: <002c01c66550$93cfdc60$0b00a8c0@desktop>

Can anyone recommend a good, "all-around" utility for Access XP databases for under a couple hundred bucks?  One that provides basic statistics about the database (e.g., number of objects) as well as features that compare objects between databases (also comparing code) as well as other helpful nifty tools?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Apr 21 09:24:41 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:24:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A7251@main2.marlow.com>

Dim cnn as ADODB.Connection
Dim rs as ADODB.Recordset
Set cnn=new ADODB.Connection
Cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
Cnn.Open "D:\Test.mdb" 'Change this to the path of the database you want to
use this for
Set rs = Cnn.OpenSchema(adSchemaTables)
If rs.EOF = False Then rs.MoveFirst
Do Until rs.EOF = True
    If rs.Fields("TABLE_NAME").Value = "schednew" Then
	  Cnn.Execute "DROP TABLE schednew"
	End if
	Rs.movenext
Loop
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
Cnn.close
Set cnn=nothing


This will work from outside the database.  To use this inside, change it to
this:

Dim cnn as ADODB.Connection
Dim rs as ADODB.Recordset
Set cnn=CurrentProject.Connection
Set rs = Cnn.OpenSchema(adSchemaTables)
If rs.EOF = False Then rs.MoveFirst
Do Until rs.EOF = True
    If rs.Fields("TABLE_NAME").Value = "schednew" Then
	  Cnn.Execute "DROP TABLE schednew"
	End if
	Rs.movenext
Loop
Rs.close
Set rs=nothing
Set cnn=nothing

Drew

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Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Finding & Deleting A Table Using ADO
Importance: High

To All,
I am without success trying to write some code using ADO (Access XP) in a
function which will loop through all the tables I have and if a particular
table (schednew) exists then delete it.
Can anyone please provide some sample code or point me in the right
direction to do this, as I am suffering from a Friday brain dead moment I
think.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 21 09:34:05 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:34:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database Using ADO
Message-ID: <4962455.1145630045944.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

To all,
Gustav helped me a little bit earlier (thanks a lot Gustav) in detecting if a table exists and deleting it if it does.  But I can't seem to find anything on copying and renaming tables using ADO, if anyone has any sample code or could point me in the right direction I would be grateful.
Thank you for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 21 10:02:25 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:02:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database Using	ADO
Message-ID: <s4491044.092@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul 

Rename is quite easy:

Function RenameTable()
  
  Dim cat As New ADOX.Catalog
  Dim tbl As ADOX.Table
  
  cat.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
  On Error Resume Next
  Set tbl = cat.Tables("schednew")
  If Err.Number = 0 Then
    tbl.Name = "schedold"
  End If
  
  Set tbl = Nothing
  Set cat = Nothing

End Function

For copying you could use the code from Drew to read the table schema and create a copy.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 16:34:05 >>>
To all,
Gustav helped me a little bit earlier (thanks a lot Gustav) in detecting if a table exists and deleting it if it does.  But I can't seem to find anything on copying and renaming tables using ADO, if anyone has any sample code or could point me in the right direction I would be grateful.
Thank you for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland




From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 21 10:15:06 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:15:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database Using	ADO
Message-ID: <7901638.1145632506273.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101>

Thanks yet again gustav but I used this method instead, can't believe I couldn't remember this (having a Friday moment today I think):
DoCmd.CopyObject , "schednew" & "_" & Format(Now(), "DDMMYYYY") & "_" & Format(Time(), "HHMMSS"), acTable, "schednew"
Makes a copy with a new name.
Thanks again.
Paul Hartland





Message Received: Apr 21 2006, 04:04 PM
From: "Gustav Brock" 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database Using ADO

Hi Paul 

Rename is quite easy:

Function RenameTable()

Dim cat As New ADOX.Catalog
Dim tbl As ADOX.Table

cat.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
On Error Resume Next
Set tbl = cat.Tables("schednew")
If Err.Number = 0 Then
tbl.Name = "schedold"
End If

Set tbl = Nothing
Set cat = Nothing

End Function

For copying you could use the code from Drew to read the table schema and create a copy.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 16:34:05 >>>
To all,
Gustav helped me a little bit earlier (thanks a lot Gustav) in detecting if a table exists and deleting it if it does. But I can't seem to find anything on copying and renaming tables using ADO, if anyone has any sample code or could point me in the right direction I would be grateful.
Thank you for any help in advance.
Paul Hartland


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 21 10:30:29 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:30:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Rename & Copy Tables In Current Database	Using	ADO
Message-ID: <s44916db.093@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Of course, so simple, no ADO needed. 
It must be Friday here as well ... time for some coffee.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 21-04-2006 17:15:06 >>>
Thanks yet again gustav but I used this method instead, can't believe I couldn't remember this (having a Friday moment today I think):
DoCmd.CopyObject , "schednew" & "_" & Format(Now(), "DDMMYYYY") & "_" & Format(Time(), "HHMMSS"), acTable, "schednew"
Makes a copy with a new name.
Thanks again.
Paul Hartland




From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 21 10:44:53 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:44:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Print Button
In-Reply-To: <s44916db.093@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F2515C9137AB80C7486B58FD2BB0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I need a button on a custom tool bar that opens the print dialogue instead 
of printing to the default printer.  Each time I try to add it using the 
customize option the result is a button that prints...no option to choose 
printer.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Fri Apr 21 11:12:55 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:12:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Button
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C72A@dewey.Symphony.local>

Mark,

We have a Reports toolbar, which is attached to each report, so shows
when the report is previewed.  From a 'Print Options' button on that
toolbar, we call this function:

		Public Function PrintCurrentReportWithOptions()
		'Opens the print options dialog box for current report.
		'Called by toolbar on all reports.
		On Error GoTo eh
		    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
		ex:
		    Exit Function
		eh:
		    If Err.Number = 2501 Then
		        'Ignore if user just cancelled the print job.
		    Else
		        MsgBox Err.Description
		    End If
		    GoTo ex
		End Function


Not extremely high tech, but very serviceable. 


Thanks,

Liz 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Print Button

Hello All,

I need a button on a custom tool bar that opens the print dialogue
instead of printing to the default printer.  Each time I try to add it
using the customize option the result is a button that prints...no
option to choose printer.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 21 12:58:04 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:58:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Print Button
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C72A@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F16C561551A4DB7F49B1649D2BB0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Liz,

What I also found was that if I created a custom toolbar...and just moved 
the print option from the File menu...then reset the file menu...and allowed 
menus in the startup...this worked...but I don't understand why I can't 
choose this type of 'print' buttom from the customize wizard?

Thanks again,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "Liz Doering" <ldoering at symphonyinfo.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Print Button
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:12:55 -0500
>
>Mark,
>
>We have a Reports toolbar, which is attached to each report, so shows
>when the report is previewed.  From a 'Print Options' button on that
>toolbar, we call this function:
>
>		Public Function PrintCurrentReportWithOptions()
>		'Opens the print options dialog box for current report.
>		'Called by toolbar on all reports.
>		On Error GoTo eh
>		    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
>		ex:
>		    Exit Function
>		eh:
>		    If Err.Number = 2501 Then
>		        'Ignore if user just cancelled the print job.
>		    Else
>		        MsgBox Err.Description
>		    End If
>		    GoTo ex
>		End Function
>
>
>Not extremely high tech, but very serviceable.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Liz
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:01 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Print Button
>
>Hello All,
>
>I need a button on a custom tool bar that opens the print dialogue
>instead of printing to the default printer.  Each time I try to add it
>using the customize option the result is a button that prints...no
>option to choose printer.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Apr 21 13:04:14 2006
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:04:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Utility
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C03FC498B@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Barb,
I use the FMS Total Access Analyzer http://www.fmsinc.com/products/analyzer/index.html

It's around $300.

There's also a free trial version.

HTH

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:34 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Access Utility

Can anyone recommend a good, "all-around" utility for Access XP databases for under a couple hundred bucks?  One that provides basic statistics about the database (e.g., number of objects) as well as features that compare objects between databases (also comparing code) as well as other helpful nifty tools?

Thanks,
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 21 14:26:50 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
References: <s44771e0.039@cactus.dk> <001a01c66466$438a3290$6601a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <444931FA.7060001@shaw.ca>

Since you are looking for code snippets here are some hints to insert 
and  find them
using the Tab key and Code Snippet Picker in Vb.Net

Here is a short excerpt of an article taken from a freebie newsletter I 
got today from
http://www.sqlmag.com
The actual url for this article won't be up for two weeks.
You might want to look at his past articles.

1. ==== Developer .NET Perspectives ====
   by Bill Sheldon, bills at interknowlogy.com

Write Code Without Having to Type It
   A lot of the code that developers write follows common patterns. For
example, when you create a new property, you follow four steps:
   1. Declare a private variable.
   2. Declare the public property with a public name of the same type.
   3. Declare the Set logic, which sets the private variable to the 
parameter
value.
   4. Declare the Get logic, which returns the private variable's value.

   These four steps are common to every property you want to place in a
class. Manually typing all that information is not only repetitive but also
time consuming and error prone (mainly typing errors).
   Visual Studio 2005 lets you avoid all that hassle. Its new code snippet
feature lets you include code without typing it. For example, to include 
code
that creates a property, you simply type "prop" if you're using Visual 
C# or
"property" if you're using Visual Basic (VB) 2005, then press the Tab 
key. In
your source code, you'll find a template that includes all the generic code
you would normally type. The sections that you need to edit in your new
property declaration (e.g., variable name, property name, type) are all
highlighted. After you edit the contents of a highlighted section, you 
press
the Tab key to go to the next section. The changes are reflected across the
entire declaration for consistency. This constitutes an important 
difference
between using this feature and uploading stock code. With this feature,
you're literally pulling in a code template with active tags that 
specify the
initial customizable properties in that template.
   Most all the keywords in VB 2005 or Visual C# have been associated 
with a
code snippet. Can't remember the exact syntax of the For loop? No worries.
Type "For", press the Tab key, and--poof--the necessary code appears. Can't
remember the keyword you need to use? No problem. Right-click somewhere in
your edit window and select Insert Snippet. Visual Studio 2005 first 
inserts
a placeholder in the location where you want to include a snippet, then
provides a list of snippet categories in the Code Snippet Picker.
   Visual Studio 2005's code snippet feature goes well beyond just 
providing
templates for common language elements. Templates are also provided for
common tasks, such as pinging a remote computer or connecting to a 
database.
In addition, a template contains more than just source code. The template
also includes additional information, such as the snippet's author, the
namespaces that need to be imported (if applicable), a display title,
keywords the user needs to edit, and which keyword should be edited first.
For general information about code snippets, you can check out the 
Visual C#
help files at http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C2F:7E311 .
   The good news is that Visual Studio 2005 shipped with hundreds of code
snippets. The bad news is that the snippets are, as you might expect,
language specific and therefore not interchangeable. For example, some 
of the
VB 2005 snippets leverage the "My" namespace, which doesn't exist in Visual
C#.
   The code snippets have their own schema, which is documented at
http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C34:7E311 . As a result,
you can create your own custom snippets. Step by step instructions for 
doing
so are available at http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C35:7E311 .
   Snippet files are XML files. So, to create snippets, you must edit an 
XML
file, which isn't much fun. Fortunately, if you use VB 2005, there's a GUI
called the Visual Basic Snippet Editor that you can use. This free 
editor is
currently in the release candidate (RC) stage. For more information, visit
the Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) Web page at
http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C28:7E311 . Or for the
most recent version, bypass MSDN and look in the GotDotNet Workspace at
http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C20:7E311 .

Kath Pelletti wrote:

>I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me. I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back! I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge learning curve.
>
>Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4 hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns (and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult until I learn it all again. Sigh....
>
>Thanks Gustav
>Kath
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Gustav Brock 
>  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
>
>
>  Hi Kath
>
>  Follow the link to International Customers:
>
>  http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&category%5Fname=ALLDemo
>
>  It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.
>
>  /gustav
>
>  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
>  Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
>  Kath
>
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>    From: Gustav Brock 
>    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
>    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
>
>
>    Hi Kath
>
>    Just noticed this, though not a book:
>
>      http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 
>
>    I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.
>
>    /gustav
>
>    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
>    (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
>    I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....
>
>    But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
>
>    (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)
>
>    (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
>    ______________________________________
>    Kath Pelletti
>
>  
>

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Canada





From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 21 14:37:19 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:37:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
Message-ID: <001001c6657b$02163370$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

Has anyone ever gotten this?

I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!

I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.

Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
hell that MS is subjecting me to?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 21 14:49:18 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <001001c6657b$02163370$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <001701c6657c$ae693b80$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

Never mind.  There is something about pressing the send key that magically
makes workarounds work.  Actually it appears that I had to hold down the
shift key as I was opening the aforementioned database to do this stuff.  It
MAY have something to do with the fact that when I do that I am not looking
at my framework code when I perform this "unlocking" rigamerole hooey. 

At any rate, I have my code back and will NOT attempt to sign my databases
anymore, as it appears to hose them if signed in 2003 and opened in XP?  Or
not.  Who can really say what causes anything anymore?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Has anyone ever gotten this?

I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!

I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.

Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
hell that MS is subjecting me to?

John W. Colby
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Apr 21 15:00:45 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:00:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBCD@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Don't feel like the lone ranger. At the Vegas development conference last
week the Microsoft speakers all but conceded that no one seems to have
figured out or use digital sigs. :-(
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable


Never mind.  There is something about pressing the send key that magically
makes workarounds work.  Actually it appears that I had to hold down the
shift key as I was opening the aforementioned database to do this stuff.  It
MAY have something to do with the fact that when I do that I am not looking
at my framework code when I perform this "unlocking" rigamerole hooey. 

At any rate, I have my code back and will NOT attempt to sign my databases
anymore, as it appears to hose them if signed in 2003 and opened in XP?  Or
not.  Who can really say what causes anything anymore?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Has anyone ever gotten this?

I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!

I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.

Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
hell that MS is subjecting me to?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 21 15:22:39 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:22:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
References: <001701c6657c$ae693b80$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <44493F0F.3090500@shaw.ca>

It is not worth the hassle of self-signing certificates as there are 
authority and permission problems
installing them properly into the digital signature cache under Win XP 
with any another user.
Network Admins will hunt you down with pitchforks and burning torches.
You should use the internet authority verifiable certificates from 
Veritas or Thwaite etc.
Of course then you have to pay, get a DUNS number etc.
I don't even know if SageKey handles their installation.

I got self certs to work a couple of years ago with makecert  with a lot 
of fiddling
but I think there have been OS security changes since then.



John Colby wrote:

>Never mind.  There is something about pressing the send key that magically
>makes workarounds work.  Actually it appears that I had to hold down the
>shift key as I was opening the aforementioned database to do this stuff.  It
>MAY have something to do with the fact that when I do that I am not looking
>at my framework code when I perform this "unlocking" rigamerole hooey. 
>
>At any rate, I have my code back and will NOT attempt to sign my databases
>anymore, as it appears to hose them if signed in 2003 and opened in XP?  Or
>not.  Who can really say what causes anything anymore?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:37 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
>Has anyone ever gotten this?
>
>I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
>questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
>process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
>sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
>NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>
>I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
>this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.
>
>Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
>hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Apr 21 16:07:24 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:07:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] report on Access Devcon Las Vegas
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBCE@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I thought I would report to the group some of my impressions on the future
of Access as presented at the "Advisor Summit" in Vegas this past week.
First, I am very encouraged by the fact Microsoft appears to be pouring
substantial resources into Access so the rumors of Access's demise are
greatly exaggerated. Having said that, my strong impression is that they are
strengthening the product for power/personal users as opposed to developers.
For example, they emphasized several times the experience of first opening
Access will provide a much richer interface with a lot of sample databases
to entice the new user to take the plunge. They contrasted this with the
current environment which isn't exactly intuitive when  opened for the first
time. 

The item that drew the most groans of disbelief from developers was
Microsoft's promotion and re-emphasis on macros (of all things!). In fact,
the new sample databases will be written to use macros! While MS claims the
macros have been strengthened, the confusing old halt message dialogue
popped up when a macro they were running during the presentation ran into
trouble (sigh). Apparently the real issue is that macros can run safely in
sandbox mode whereas VBA will still be subject to the same old security
risks. Consequently new installs of Access will have VBA security set to
high similar (I think) to the security screen Excel currently shows.  While
I am hazy on all the particulars and the exact ramifications of this, I
have little doubt this will make developer's lives more complicated. This
strikes me as an exercise in CYA for MS. 

I specifically asked if VBA was dead and the answer was definitely not, in
fact (according to the MS guys) the object models were being improved,
enhanced, etc. although I can't recall any specifics. ADPs, however, appear
to have no future and  I was encouraged not to start any new projects using
them. Also interesting was the fact that the infamous Northwind is being
rewritten. Apparently the debate within Microsoft is how complicated the VBA
code should be since this is basically an example DB for newbies. My strong
opinion to them was that the code should be up to the highest standards.
This means using classes, function calls, error checking, naming
conventions, etc. IMHO when  newbies first venture into VBA they often take
Microsoft's examples as gospel. (I have to admit I did when I first started)
so Northwind should not be written by some summer intern. Especially since
users will be using macros much more, when they are ready to venture into
the world of VBA they should be exposed to the best coding practices.
Anyway, if you have a strong opinion about what Northwind should look like I
can give you the email of the program manager who is trying to figure out
what to do. 

Anyway, it was a worthwhile conference although the slots didn't cut me any
slack. Apparently the money you take to Vegas stays in Vegas.

Jim Hale

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Apr 21 18:17:19 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:17:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <001001c6657b$02163370$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
References: <001001c6657b$02163370$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <444967FF.6020502@san.rr.com>

John:

I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But 
you may not want to do that.

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>
> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer THREE
> questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access database.  In the
> process I created a digital signature and applied it to the database.  Not
> sure exactly what went wrong but now "the project is unviewable" which means
> NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>
> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly stated) that
> this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work around it.
>
> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific piece of
> hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Fri Apr 21 20:17:47 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:17:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <444967FF.6020502@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001401c665aa$92d4c0a0$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

I tried that and it flat did not work.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

John:

I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But you
may not want to do that.

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>
> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer 
> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access 
> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied it 
> to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the 
> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>
> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly 
> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work
around it.
>
> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific 
> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>   

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 22 01:44:22 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:44:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
Message-ID: <s449ecf0.000@cactus.dk>

Hi John

We have a thread from Feb. 2005 on this:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2005-February/031704.html 

Visit CAcert to obtain these free certificates:

http://www.cacert.org/

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 21-04-2006 22:22 >>>
You should use the internet authority verifiable certificates from 
Veritas or Thwaite etc.
Of course then you have to pay, get a DUNS number etc.




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Apr 22 05:58:38 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:58:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] report on Access Devcon Las Vegas
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBCE@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27821A4@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Jim
 
More or less agree. All the demo apps that come with Access 2007 are designed with SharePoint in mind. SharePoint is the real focus of Office 2007 in a BIG way.
 
Lots of argument on the beta lists over this and the push for users. This version is geared to teh "office" user as you say the power user who needs to know nothing about database design at all. Major argument now about multi value fields and attachment datatypes.
 
As you have said there are no VBA anything in the new templates everything is macro driven again to make it easy for new users.
 
I would not write ADPs of yet. You can still use them in Access 2007 BUT the default is linked tables. I am waiting on an email from them re ADPS and SQL Server 2005 - they aint dead but how much we can use them will have to wait and see. TNis is one of the major things I post about on the beta lists.
 
If someone arranges it I am happy to post a lot of stuff on Office client apps including Access on teh DBA web site. I cannot yet post on the server applications as they are still under NDA
 
Martin
 
 
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Apr 22 09:55:55 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:55:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <001401c665aa$92d4c0a0$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
References: <001401c665aa$92d4c0a0$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <444A43FB.4020007@san.rr.com>

Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about 
unsafe expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, 
right?)?  Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you 
create a fresh db.  Does it happen to that one as well?

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> John:
>
> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But you
> may not want to do that.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>   
>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>
>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer 
>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access 
>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied it 
>> to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the 
>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>
>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly 
>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't work
>>     
> around it.
>   
>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific 
>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sat Apr 22 11:58:48 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:58:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <444A43FB.4020007@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003301c6662e$070e1510$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

N0, I couldn't set it to low.  There is no "Security" choice under Tools /
macro.

PITA really!


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about unsafe
expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, right?)?
Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you create a fresh db.
Does it happen to that one as well?

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> John:
>
> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But 
> you may not want to do that.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>   
>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>
>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer 
>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access 
>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied 
>> it to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the 
>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>
>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly
>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't 
>> work
>>     
> around it.
>   
>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific 
>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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From bill_Patten at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 22 12:19:00 2006
From: bill_Patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:19:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
References: <003301c6662e$070e1510$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <001401c66630$d8ff4830$6501a8c0@BPCS>

Hi John,

Check out KB 833219 for how to put the security button back.

Bill

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=833219


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable


N0, I couldn't set it to low.  There is no "Security" choice under Tools /
macro.

PITA really!


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about unsafe
expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, right?)?
Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you create a fresh db.
Does it happen to that one as well?

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> John:
>
> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But
> you may not want to do that.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>
>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer
>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access
>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied
>> it to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the
>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>
>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly
>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't
>> work
>>
> around it.
>
>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific
>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> --
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>

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Apr 22 13:00:50 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:00:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <003301c6662e$070e1510$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
References: <003301c6662e$070e1510$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <444A6F52.5090609@san.rr.com>

I had that problem as well.  Can't remember how I got around it.  Do you 
have Jet 4.0 SP8 installed?

http://office.microsoft.com/en-au/assistance/HA011225981033.aspx#180

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> N0, I couldn't set it to low.  There is no "Security" choice under Tools /
> macro.
>
> PITA really!
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about unsafe
> expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, right?)?
> Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you create a fresh db.
> Does it happen to that one as well?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>   
>> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin - Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>>
>> John:
>>
>> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But 
>> you may not want to do that.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> John Colby wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>>
>>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer 
>>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access 
>>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied 
>>> it to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the 
>>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>>
>>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly
>>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't 
>>> work
>>>     
>>>       
>> around it.
>>   
>>     
>>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific 
>>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> --
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> --
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> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sat Apr 22 13:28:54 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:28:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
In-Reply-To: <001401c66630$d8ff4830$6501a8c0@BPCS>
Message-ID: <004001c6663a$9d948350$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

Well, that worked.  Thanks. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 1:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Hi John,

Check out KB 833219 for how to put the security button back.

Bill

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=833219


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable


N0, I couldn't set it to low.  There is no "Security" choice under Tools /
macro.

PITA really!


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable

Wow.  Lowest setting and you're still getting the nag message about unsafe
expressions, etc.(we're talking Tools-->Macro-->Security-->Low, right?)?
Could it have to do with that particular db?  What if you create a fresh db.
Does it happen to that one as well?

Rocky


John Colby wrote:
> I tried that and it flat did not work.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project is unviewable
>
> John:
>
> I got rid of that crap by lowering my security setting in Access.  But
> you may not want to do that.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever gotten this?
>>
>> I was trying to get rid of the 2003 crap that forces you to answer
>> THREE questions correctly before it allows you to open an Access
>> database.  In the process I created a digital signature and applied
>> it to the database.  Not sure exactly what went wrong but now "the
>> project is unviewable" which means NO CODE CAN BE SEEN!!!
>>
>> I googled the error message and is appears (though not directly
>> stated) that this is a known bug with a workaround... which doesn't
>> work
>>
> around it.
>
>> Has anyone ever successfully recovered your code from this specific
>> piece of hell that MS is subjecting me to?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>

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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Apr 23 08:28:28 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:28:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
Message-ID: <000b01c666d9$d0da1f50$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 23 09:29:20 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:29:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
Message-ID: <s44bab74.006@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?
This test shows that the returned value is a simple sequential numeric value which, however, provides faulty date values when these are negative.

Put in the debug window this line and press enter to obtain the output:

For i = 8 To -8 Step -1 : d = TimeSerialReal(0, 360 * i, 0) : ? CDbl(d), Format(d, "yyyymmdd hhnn") : Next
 2            19000101 0000
 1,75         18991231 1800
 1,5          18991231 1200
 1,25         18991231 0600
 1            18991231 0000

 0,75         18991230 1800
 0,5          18991230 1200
 0,25         18991230 0600
 0            18991230 0000
-0,25         18991230 0600
-0,5          18991230 1200
-0,75         18991230 1800

-1            18991229 0000
-1,25         18991229 0600
-1,5          18991229 1200
-1,75         18991229 1800
-2            18991228 0000

Two major traps are exposed here. 
First, date values between 0 and -1 (excluding) are invalid as they are already represented by their respective absolute equivalents. The positive values are the true values which can be demonstrated this way:

? CDbl(#1899-12-30 18:00#)
 0,75 

The consequence is serious a this results in a gap in the sequence of one day.
Second, the sequence of the decimal part of the date/time value must be reversed to adhere to the falling sequence.
Thus the sequence should read:
 2            19000101 0000
 1,75         18991231 1800
 1,5          18991231 1200
 1,25         18991231 0600
 1            18991231 0000

 0,75         18991230 1800
 0,5          18991230 1200
 0,25         18991230 0600
 0            18991230 0000

-1,75         18991229 1800
-1,5          18991229 1200
-1,25         18991229 0600
-1            18991229 0000

-2,75         18991228 1800
-2,5          18991228 1200
-2,25         18991228 0600
-2            18991228 0000

You may argue that you never use dates beyond 1900, but you will if you do operations on time values which may move backwards passing Midnight.
I don't know if this bug has survived until Access 12/2007. Perhaps a beta tester could confirm this?

A similar bug is present in DateAdd until Access 97. In Access 2000 it was corrected, which leads to a simple substitute for TimeSerial for Access 2000 an upwards:

Public Function TimeSerialReal( _
  ByVal intHour As Integer, _
  ByVal intMinute As Integer, _
  ByVal intSecond As Integer) _
  As Date
  
' Returns correct numeric negative date values,
' which TimeSerial() does not.
' This applies to Access 2003 and below.
' Not known if needed for Access 12/2007 as well.
' Requires Access 2000 or newer.
'
' 2006-04-23. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim datTime As Date
  
  datTime = _
    DateAdd("h", intHour, _
    DateAdd("n", intMinute, _
    DateAdd("s", intSecond, #12:00:00 AM#)))
    
  TimeSerialReal = datTime
  
End Function

For Access 97 and all newer versions you can manipulate the output from TimeSerial with this function:

Public Function TimeSerialFull( _
  ByVal intHour As Integer, _
  ByVal intMinute As Integer, _
  ByVal intSecond As Integer) _
  As Date
  
  Dim datTime As Date
  Dim dblDate As Double
  Dim dblTime As Double
  
' Returns correct numeric negative date values,
' which TimeSerial() does not.
' This applies to Access 2003 and below.
' Not known if needed for Access 12/2007 as well.
'
' 2006-04-23. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'
' Example sequence:
'   Numeric      Date     Time
'   2            19000101 0000
'   1.75         18991231 1800
'   1.5          18991231 1200
'   1.25         18991231 0600
'   1            18991231 0000
'   0.75         18991230 1800
'   0.5          18991230 1200
'   0.25         18991230 0600
'   0            18991230 0000
'  -1.75         18991229 1800
'  -1.5          18991229 1200
'  -1.25         18991229 0600
'  -1            18991229 0000
'  -2.75         18991228 1800
'  -2.5          18991228 1200
'  -2.25         18991228 0600
'  -2            18991228 0000

  datTime = TimeSerial(intHour, intMinute, intSecond)
  If datTime < 0 Then
    ' Get date (integer) part of datTime shifted one day
    ' if a time part is present as Int() rounds down.
    dblDate = Int(datTime)
    ' Retrieve and reverse time (decimal) part.
    dblTime = dblDate - datTime
    ' Assemble and convert date and time part.
    datTime = CVDate(dblDate + dblTime)
  End If
    
  TimeSerialFull = datTime

End Function

/gustav


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 23 13:28:33 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:28:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
References: <s44bab74.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <444BC751.9090401@shaw.ca>

I thought this was by design. How else do you get Shakespeare's birthday?
?CVDate(-122607)

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?
>This test shows that the returned value is a simple sequential numeric value which, however, provides faulty date values when these are negative.
>
>Put in the debug window this line and press enter to obtain the output:
>
>For i = 8 To -8 Step -1 : d = TimeSerialReal(0, 360 * i, 0) : ? CDbl(d), Format(d, "yyyymmdd hhnn") : Next
> 2            19000101 0000
> 1,75         18991231 1800
> 1,5          18991231 1200
> 1,25         18991231 0600
> 1            18991231 0000
>
> 0,75         18991230 1800
> 0,5          18991230 1200
> 0,25         18991230 0600
> 0            18991230 0000
>-0,25         18991230 0600
>-0,5          18991230 1200
>-0,75         18991230 1800
>
>-1            18991229 0000
>-1,25         18991229 0600
>-1,5          18991229 1200
>-1,75         18991229 1800
>-2            18991228 0000
>
>Two major traps are exposed here. 
>First, date values between 0 and -1 (excluding) are invalid as they are already represented by their respective absolute equivalents. The positive values are the true values which can be demonstrated this way:
>
>? CDbl(#1899-12-30 18:00#)
> 0,75 
>
>The consequence is serious a this results in a gap in the sequence of one day.
>Second, the sequence of the decimal part of the date/time value must be reversed to adhere to the falling sequence.
>Thus the sequence should read:
> 2            19000101 0000
> 1,75         18991231 1800
> 1,5          18991231 1200
> 1,25         18991231 0600
> 1            18991231 0000
>
> 0,75         18991230 1800
> 0,5          18991230 1200
> 0,25         18991230 0600
> 0            18991230 0000
>
>-1,75         18991229 1800
>-1,5          18991229 1200
>-1,25         18991229 0600
>-1            18991229 0000
>
>-2,75         18991228 1800
>-2,5          18991228 1200
>-2,25         18991228 0600
>-2            18991228 0000
>
>You may argue that you never use dates beyond 1900, but you will if you do operations on time values which may move backwards passing Midnight.
>I don't know if this bug has survived until Access 12/2007. Perhaps a beta tester could confirm this?
>
>A similar bug is present in DateAdd until Access 97. In Access 2000 it was corrected, which leads to a simple substitute for TimeSerial for Access 2000 an upwards:
>
>Public Function TimeSerialReal( _
>  ByVal intHour As Integer, _
>  ByVal intMinute As Integer, _
>  ByVal intSecond As Integer) _
>  As Date
>  
>' Returns correct numeric negative date values,
>' which TimeSerial() does not.
>' This applies to Access 2003 and below.
>' Not known if needed for Access 12/2007 as well.
>' Requires Access 2000 or newer.
>'
>' 2006-04-23. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>
>  Dim datTime As Date
>  
>  datTime = _
>    DateAdd("h", intHour, _
>    DateAdd("n", intMinute, _
>    DateAdd("s", intSecond, #12:00:00 AM#)))
>    
>  TimeSerialReal = datTime
>  
>End Function
>
>For Access 97 and all newer versions you can manipulate the output from TimeSerial with this function:
>
>Public Function TimeSerialFull( _
>  ByVal intHour As Integer, _
>  ByVal intMinute As Integer, _
>  ByVal intSecond As Integer) _
>  As Date
>  
>  Dim datTime As Date
>  Dim dblDate As Double
>  Dim dblTime As Double
>  
>' Returns correct numeric negative date values,
>' which TimeSerial() does not.
>' This applies to Access 2003 and below.
>' Not known if needed for Access 12/2007 as well.
>'
>' 2006-04-23. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>'
>' Example sequence:
>'   Numeric      Date     Time
>'   2            19000101 0000
>'   1.75         18991231 1800
>'   1.5          18991231 1200
>'   1.25         18991231 0600
>'   1            18991231 0000
>'   0.75         18991230 1800
>'   0.5          18991230 1200
>'   0.25         18991230 0600
>'   0            18991230 0000
>'  -1.75         18991229 1800
>'  -1.5          18991229 1200
>'  -1.25         18991229 0600
>'  -1            18991229 0000
>'  -2.75         18991228 1800
>'  -2.5          18991228 1200
>'  -2.25         18991228 0600
>'  -2            18991228 0000
>
>  datTime = TimeSerial(intHour, intMinute, intSecond)
>  If datTime < 0 Then
>    ' Get date (integer) part of datTime shifted one day
>    ' if a time part is present as Int() rounds down.
>    dblDate = Int(datTime)
>    ' Retrieve and reverse time (decimal) part.
>    dblTime = dblDate - datTime
>    ' Assemble and convert date and time part.
>    datTime = CVDate(dblDate + dblTime)
>  End If
>    
>  TimeSerialFull = datTime
>
>End Function
>
>/gustav
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 23 13:37:35 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:37:35 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424062852.01a3dc90@dalyn.co.nz>

In Access it is possible to refer to objects by concatenating 
strings.  For example, to refer to 3 text boxes on a report you could write:

             For intX = 1 To 3
                 Me("txtCol" + Format(intX)) = "Column No:" & intX
             Next intX

I am wanting to do a similar thing in a page in Visual Web Developer 
Express.  I have three labels called lblYrEndStart1, lblYrEndStart2, 
and lblYrEndStart3.  Any ideas how I can write a similar loop as above


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 23 13:41:35 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:41:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
Message-ID: <s44be697.011@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

No problem with CVDate(). In fact, I use CVDate in the TimeSerialFull() function. It's the native TimeSerial() that's buggy.
By the way, the code line to obtain the buggy output is:

For i = 8 To -8 Step -1 : d = TimeSerial(0, 360 * i, 0) : ? CDbl(d), Format(d, "yyyymmdd hhnn") : Next

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 23-04-2006 20:28:33 >>>
I thought this was by design. How else do you get Shakespeare's birthday?
?CVDate(-122607)

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?
>This test shows that the returned value is a simple sequential numeric value which, however, provides faulty date values when these are negative.
>
>Put in the debug window this line and press enter to obtain the output:
>
>For i = 8 To -8 Step -1 : d = TimeSerialReal(0, 360 * i, 0) : ? CDbl(d), Format(d, "yyyymmdd hhnn") : Next




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 23 15:59:09 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:59:09 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424080437.01a39660@dalyn.co.nz>

I have found a partial solution:

         Dim myControl1 As Control, myInt As Integer, lblLoop As Label
         For myInt = 1 To 3
             myControl1 = Page.FindControl("lblYrEnd" & myInt)
             If (Not myControl1 Is Nothing) Then
                 lblLoop = CType(myControl1, Label)
                 lblLoop.Text = "Label No: " & myInt
             End If
         Next myInt

This appends the value of myInt to the value entered into TextBox2 
and puts the result into the lblYrEnd label with the last character 
equal to myInt.

I can get this to work in a plain aspx page.  However, the page I 
want to use it on has a Master page and content control.  When I run 
the same code the "myControl1 = Page.FindControl("lbltemp" & myInt)" 
line doesn't find the control.  My guess is that it is because it is 
hidden down the control hierarchy but I am having trouble with VB.Net 
help finding how to reference them.  Can anyone help?

The code for the objects is:

<%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile="~/MasterPage.master" 
AutoEventWireup="false" CodeFile="pgeSingleItemResult.aspx.vb" 
Inherits="pgeSingleItemResult" title="Untitled Page" %>
<asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHolderID="ContentPlaceHolder1" 
Runat="Server">
     <table style="z-index: 100; left: 237px; width: 713px; position: 
absolute; top: 217px; vertical-align: top; font-family: arial; 
border-collapse: separate; text-align: center; border-right: black 
1px solid; border-top: black 1px solid; border-left: black 1px solid; 
border-bottom: black 1px solid;" cellspacing="0" id="tblItemResult">
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px; height: 20px;" 
bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd1" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd2" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd3" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd4" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
             <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
                 <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd5" runat="server" 
Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
         </tr>
     </table>
</asp:Content>


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand  

From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 23 16:20:17 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:20:17 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424091929.01bad030@dalyn.co.nz>

If anyone wants a small vb.Net project sample to see if they can find 
out why it is not working I can send it to them.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand  



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 23 16:25:18 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:25:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
In-Reply-To: <s44bab74.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <444C7D5E.13286.282B3E02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 23 Apr 2006 at 16:29, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong
> date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?

Not wrong values, just values that you are not expecting. It's not a bug, 
it's a feature and it is in fact a feature of all calendars, it's not a 
microsoft thing. 

<quote>
Date variables are stored as IEEE 64-bit (8-byte) floating-point numbers 
that represent dates ranging from 1 January 100 to 31 December 9999 and 
times from 0:00:00 to 23:59:59.
...
Negative whole numbers represent dates before 30 December 1899.
</quote>

You are storing two separate things here, a date and a time - not an offset 
from a zero point.

So:
1.25 represent 6:00am on Day 1
-1.25 represents 6:00am on Day -1
0.25 is meaningless. There is no Day 0.

That is what happens in any calendar system. Think of it using our calendar 
with years as the integer part rather than days.

1 Jan 0001 AD = (Year 1) + 1/365 years
The previous day is:
 31 Dec 0001 BC = (Year -1) + 364/365 days

Key points are:
1. There is no such thing as "0" for the integer part ie  no such as "1 Jan 
0000" or "31 Dec 0000". Using the microsoft representation, there is no 
such thing as "Day 0"  or times within such a day.

2. Fractional parts are always positive, they indicate the amount of the 
specified unit (year or day) that has elapsed.

  


-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 23 16:53:46 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:53:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
In-Reply-To: <444C7D5E.13286.282B3E02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <s44bab74.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <444C840A.16623.28454CC9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Apr 2006 at 7:25, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2006 at 16:29, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong
> > date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?
> 
> Not wrong values, just values that you are not expecting. It's not a bug,
> it's a feature and it is in fact a feature of all calendars, it's not a
> microsoft thing. 
> 

I should have also said:
The date part of the value returned by Timeserial is unspecified. You 
should not rely on it:

<quote>
TimeSerial Returns a Variant (Date) containing the time for a specific 
hour, minute, and second.
</quote>

-- 
Stuart




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Apr 23 17:05:05 2006
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:05:05 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424100446.00f50e68@dalyn.co.nz>

Finally found it:

         Dim myControl1 As Control, lblLoop As Label, myInt As Integer
         Dim cntContent As ContentPlaceHolder
         cntContent = 
CType(Master.FindControl("ContentPlaceHolder1"), 
ContentPlaceHolder)  <-- this was the solution
         If (Not cntContent Is Nothing) Then
             For myInt = 1 To 3
                 myControl1 = cntContent.FindControl("lbltemp" & myInt)
                 If (Not myControl1 Is Nothing) Then
                     lblLoop = CType(myControl1, Label)
                     lblLoop.Text = TextBox1.Text & myInt
                 Else
                     lblLoop.Text = "Label not found"
                 End If
             Next myInt
         Else
             lblLoop.Text = "Content not found"
         End If


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
New Zealand  

From kp at sdsonline.net  Sun Apr 23 18:20:53 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:20:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences +	SQL	Server List
References: <s44771e0.039@cactus.dk> <001a01c66466$438a3290$6601a8c0@office>
	<444931FA.7060001@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000d01c6672c$91b63fe0$6601a8c0@office>

Wow - I am still absorbing all that Marty - I normally wouldn't hit tab so I guess I haven't hit on that feature. It looks great. 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List


  Since you are looking for code snippets here are some hints to insert 
  and  find them
  using the Tab key and Code Snippet Picker in Vb.Net

  Here is a short excerpt of an article taken from a freebie newsletter I 
  got today from
  http://www.sqlmag.com
  The actual url for this article won't be up for two weeks.
  You might want to look at his past articles.

  1. ==== Developer .NET Perspectives ====
     by Bill Sheldon, bills at interknowlogy.com

  Write Code Without Having to Type It
     A lot of the code that developers write follows common patterns. For
  example, when you create a new property, you follow four steps:
     1. Declare a private variable.
     2. Declare the public property with a public name of the same type.
     3. Declare the Set logic, which sets the private variable to the 
  parameter
  value.
     4. Declare the Get logic, which returns the private variable's value.

     These four steps are common to every property you want to place in a
  class. Manually typing all that information is not only repetitive but also
  time consuming and error prone (mainly typing errors).
     Visual Studio 2005 lets you avoid all that hassle. Its new code snippet
  feature lets you include code without typing it. For example, to include 
  code
  that creates a property, you simply type "prop" if you're using Visual 
  C# or
  "property" if you're using Visual Basic (VB) 2005, then press the Tab 
  key. In
  your source code, you'll find a template that includes all the generic code
  you would normally type. The sections that you need to edit in your new
  property declaration (e.g., variable name, property name, type) are all
  highlighted. After you edit the contents of a highlighted section, you 
  press
  the Tab key to go to the next section. The changes are reflected across the
  entire declaration for consistency. This constitutes an important 
  difference
  between using this feature and uploading stock code. With this feature,
  you're literally pulling in a code template with active tags that 
  specify the
  initial customizable properties in that template.
     Most all the keywords in VB 2005 or Visual C# have been associated 
  with a
  code snippet. Can't remember the exact syntax of the For loop? No worries.
  Type "For", press the Tab key, and--poof--the necessary code appears. Can't
  remember the keyword you need to use? No problem. Right-click somewhere in
  your edit window and select Insert Snippet. Visual Studio 2005 first 
  inserts
  a placeholder in the location where you want to include a snippet, then
  provides a list of snippet categories in the Code Snippet Picker.
     Visual Studio 2005's code snippet feature goes well beyond just 
  providing
  templates for common language elements. Templates are also provided for
  common tasks, such as pinging a remote computer or connecting to a 
  database.
  In addition, a template contains more than just source code. The template
  also includes additional information, such as the snippet's author, the
  namespaces that need to be imported (if applicable), a display title,
  keywords the user needs to edit, and which keyword should be edited first.
  For general information about code snippets, you can check out the 
  Visual C#
  help files at http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C2F:7E311 .
     The good news is that Visual Studio 2005 shipped with hundreds of code
  snippets. The bad news is that the snippets are, as you might expect,
  language specific and therefore not interchangeable. For example, some 
  of the
  VB 2005 snippets leverage the "My" namespace, which doesn't exist in Visual
  C#.
     The code snippets have their own schema, which is documented at
  http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C34:7E311 . As a result,
  you can create your own custom snippets. Step by step instructions for 
  doing
  so are available at http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C35:7E311 .
     Snippet files are XML files. So, to create snippets, you must edit an 
  XML
  file, which isn't much fun. Fortunately, if you use VB 2005, there's a GUI
  called the Visual Basic Snippet Editor that you can use. This free 
  editor is
  currently in the release candidate (RC) stage. For more information, visit
  the Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) Web page at
  http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C28:7E311 . Or for the
  most recent version, bypass MSDN and look in the GotDotNet Workspace at
  http://lists.sqlmag.com/t?ctl=27C20:7E311 .

  Kath Pelletti wrote:

  >I thought it'd be a lot more than $5......sounds like a bargain to me. I've ordered the CD on developing apps with vb.net and I'll report back! I am very slowly getting the hang of vb.net but it is such a huge learning curve.
  >
  >Today I was ecstatic to finally have some reliable code to bind data to a datagridview, and bind data to a combo box. I then wasted about 4 hours on trying to get my single column combo to have multiple columns (and I'm not there yet!) - such simple things which are now so difficult until I learn it all again. Sigh....
  >
  >Thanks Gustav
  >Kath
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Gustav Brock 
  >  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  >  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:34 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
  >
  >
  >  Hi Kath
  >
  >  Follow the link to International Customers:
  >
  >  http://www.appdev.com/demofamily.asp?catalog%5Fname=AppDevCatalog&category%5Fname=ALLDemo
  >
  >  It looks like they'll charge you USD 5.00 for posting outside the US.
  >
  >  /gustav
  >
  >  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 20-04-2006 01:01 >>>
  >  Thanks Gustav - I followed the link but the gotcha seems to be US addresses only,
  >  Kath
  >
  >    ----- Original Message ----- 
  >    From: Gustav Brock 
  >    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  >    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM
  >    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL Server List
  >
  >
  >    Hi Kath
  >
  >    Just noticed this, though not a book:
  >
  >      http://www.appdev.com/promo/freecd.asp?PC=RN00349 
  >
  >    I have no idea of the quality of that stuff.
  >
  >    /gustav
  >
  >    >>> kp at sdsonline.net 13-04-2006 01:39:49 >>>
  >    (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
  >
  >    I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....
  >
  >    But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
  >
  >    (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)
  >
  >    (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
  >
  >    ______________________________________
  >    Kath Pelletti
  >
  >  
  >

  -- 
  Marty Connelly
  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Apr 23 22:33:44 2006
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:33:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
Message-ID: <17724746D360394AA3BFE5B8D40A9C1B6A72AD@main2.marlow.com>

Can't do that through Outlook, at least not that I know of.  I tend to
create custom VB based NT Services to handle automated tasks.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 8:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 24 04:43:40 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:43:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TimeSerial buggy for negative date values
Message-ID: <s44cba0b.013@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Thanks! I understand what you say, but as I read it, I think you missed my point ...

> You are storing two separate things here, a date and a time 
> - not an offset from a zero point.

That's true, that's how the data type Date is designed, and that's my key point. 

But TimeSerial() does not do so; it returns an offset from a zero point. That zero point is numeric zero which is equivalent to 1899-12-30 00:00:00. For positive values that's correct, but not for negative. Further, some of these values (between 0 and -1) are invalid as they can not be expressed by a #..# construct though VBA will interpret these values as if they were positive:

 0,75         18991230 1800
 0,5          18991230 1200
 0,25         18991230 0600
 0            18991230 0000
-0,25         18991230 0600
-0,5          18991230 1200
-0,75         18991230 1800

However, according to this excellent article (time to brush up your German!):

  http://www.vbarchiv.net/archiv/tipp_details.php?pid=1308

these values between -1 and 0 could be regarded as true in some way and should simply be read by their absolute value which, in fact, is what VB(A) does.

Still, TimeSerial() will also deliver values below -1 as an offset from a zero point which is buggy.
Consider these small examples:

? DateDiff("h", TimeSerial(-6, 0, 0), TimeSerial(6, 0, 0))
 1 
? DateDiff("h", TimeSerial(-18, 0, 0), TimeSerial(18, 0, 0))
 1 

The results should, of course, be 12 and 36 which my modified function returns:

? DateDiff("h", TimeSerialFull(-6, 0, 0), TimeSerialFull(6, 0, 0))
 12 
? DateDiff("h", TimeSerialFull(-18, 0, 0), TimeSerialFull(18, 0, 0))
 36

> 1. There is no such thing as "0" for the integer part ie  no such as "1 Jan 
> 0000" or "31 Dec 0000". Using the microsoft representation, there is no 
> such thing as "Day 0"  or times within such a day.

There is. But it is not of year "0" as that year, as you correctly states, does not exist. It has been chosen by MS to represent the date of 1899-12-30. Probably because it allows data type Date to hold up to 9999-12-31 23:59:59 within the range and resolution of the IEEE 64 bit data type Double.
For several reasons MS has chosen 100-01-01 as the earliest date for the data type Date even though the capacity of data type Double allows for much earlier dates. One reason is that if years of 99 and earlier were allowed, you couldn't type in two-digits years for present dates.

> 2. Fractional parts are always positive, they indicate the amount of the 
> specified unit (year or day) that has elapsed.

Well, yes and no.
For dates before 1899-12-30 the numeric value is negative, thus the time part is negative as well. And a "larger" time part means a more negative date value:

-2,75         18991228 1800
-2,5          18991228 1200
-2,25         18991228 0600
-2            18991228 0000

and for a good reason: In this way the integer part of a date value will always represent the date.
To extract the time part you have to isolate it (remove the integer part) and turn it positive:

      ' Split datBase in date and time parts.
      dblDate = Fix(datDate)
      dblTime = Abs(datDate - dblDate)

Also, look up my related and recent post on "Sorting old dates" from 2006-04-06 13:41:52 which shows how to sort correctly numeric negative date values.

To summarize and illustrate, here is a sequential sorted list with 
 - date/times around the numeric zero value
 - the numeric equivalent if this was linear
 - the actual (native) numeric equivalent from CDbl(datDate):

'   Date     Time  Linear        Native
'   19000101 0000  2             2
'
'   18991231 1800  1,75          1,75
'   18991231 1200  1,5           1,5
'   18991231 0600  1,25          1,25
'   18991231 0000  1             1
'
'   18991230 1800  0,75          0,75
'   18991230 1200  0,5           0,5
'   18991230 0600  0,25          0,25
'   18991230 0000  0             0
'
'   18991229 1800 -0,25         -1,75
'   18991229 1200 -0,5          -1,5
'   18991229 0600 -0,75         -1,25
'   18991229 0000 -1            -1
'
'   18991228 1800 -1,25         -2,75
'   18991228 1200 -1,5          -2,5
'   18991228 0600 -1,75         -2,25
'   18991228 0000 -2            -2

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 23-04-2006 23:25:18 >>>
On 23 Apr 2006 at 16:29, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Did you know that for Access up to and including version 2003 return wrong
> date/time values when the parameters will result in a negative value?

Not wrong values, just values that you are not expecting. It's not a bug, 
it's a feature and it is in fact a feature of all calendars, it's not a 
microsoft thing. 

<quote>
Date variables are stored as IEEE 64-bit (8-byte) floating-point numbers 
that represent dates ranging from 1 January 100 to 31 December 9999 and 
times from 0:00:00 to 23:59:59.
...
Negative whole numbers represent dates before 30 December 1899.
</quote>

You are storing two separate things here, a date and a time - not an offset 
from a zero point.

So:
1.25 represent 6:00am on Day 1
-1.25 represents 6:00am on Day -1
0.25 is meaningless. There is no Day 0.

That is what happens in any calendar system. Think of it using our calendar 
with years as the integer part rather than days.

1 Jan 0001 AD = (Year 1) + 1/365 years
The previous day is:
 31 Dec 0001 BC = (Year -1) + 364/365 days

Key points are:
1. There is no such thing as "0" for the integer part ie  no such as "1 Jan 
0000" or "31 Dec 0000". Using the microsoft representation, there is no 
such thing as "Day 0"  or times within such a day.

2. Fractional parts are always positive, they indicate the amount of the 
specified unit (year or day) that has elapsed.

-- 
Stuart



From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr 24 06:03:12 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:03:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10443.1145632510.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFBC022112.FA8CB78F-ON8525715A.003C58E0-8525715A.003CC0A2@is002023.gdls.com>

Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this? Is
anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just not
save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr 24 06:51:31 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:51:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <OFBC022112.FA8CB78F-ON8525715A.003C58E0-8525715A.003CC0A2@LocalDomain>
Message-ID: <OFDBF84569.2E8E690B-ON8525715A.0040E26B-8525715A.00412D0F@is002023.gdls.com>

All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design view.
Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
suggestions as to how to get out of it?

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





                                                                           
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Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this? Is
anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just not
save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256






From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 24 07:22:44 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:22:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <OFDBF84569.2E8E690B-ON8525715A.0040E26B-8525715A.00412D0F@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <OFBC022112.FA8CB78F-ON8525715A.003C58E0-8525715A.003CC0A2@LocalDomain>
Message-ID: <444D4FB4.14780.2B60DA49@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Apr 2006 at 7:51, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:

> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
> 

The only time I have ever seen this is after breaking out of a procedure or 
function which included a Docmd.Setwarnings False. Do you have any startup 
code which sets this anywhere?

What happens if you do a "Docmd.Setwarnings True" in the immediate window?

-- 
Stuart




From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 07:39:03 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:39:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <OFDBF84569.2E8E690B-ON8525715A.0040E26B-8525715A.00412D0F@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <OFBC022112.FA8CB78F-ON8525715A.003C58E0-8525715A.003CC0A2@LocalDomain>
	<OFDBF84569.2E8E690B-ON8525715A.0040E26B-8525715A.00412D0F@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604240539o3708770ci5c7b814ebc47e543@mail.gmail.com>

I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't
used the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting
Access is my usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities
like that. If I really want to be sure it's not something lurking I
reboot. Then if it still happens I go digging more. The restarts
usually fix me up though. If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes
to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Thomas F
>             Ewald/LS/GDYN
>                                                                        To
>             04/24/2006 07:03          accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>             AM                                                         cc
>
>                                                                   Subject
>                                       Strange Access Behavior(Document
>                                       link: Thomas F Ewald)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
> creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
> without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
> and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this? Is
> anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
> quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just not
> save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


--
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr 24 07:42:16 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:42:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950604240539o3708770ci5c7b814ebc47e543@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFDC48E51E.BD521F75-ON8525715A.00459F1C-8525715A.0045D27C@is002023.gdls.com>

Thanks. I got out of it in frustration, and it did, indeed, work when I
brought it back up. Now I just wonder why it does that.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





                                                                           
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I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't
used the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting
Access is my usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities
like that. If I really want to be sure it's not something lurking I
reboot. Then if it still happens I go digging more. The restarts
usually fix me up though. If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes
to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design
view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Thomas F
>             Ewald/LS/GDYN
>                                                                        To
>             04/24/2006 07:03          accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>             AM                                                         cc
>
>                                                                   Subject
>                                       Strange Access Behavior(Document
>                                       link: Thomas F Ewald)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
> creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
> without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
> and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this?
Is
> anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
> quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just
not
> save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


--
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Apr 24 07:48:12 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:48:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362564C@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

This was happening to me last night on every darn query I created just
to look at data to create sql statements.  I started naming the queries
with adult-conventions by 11:00.  Aughghghg! 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:42 AM
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Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior

Thanks. I got out of it in frustration, and it did, indeed, work when I
brought it back up. Now I just wonder why it does that.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





 

             "Gary Kjos"

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I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't used
the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting Access is my
usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities like that. If I
really want to be sure it's not something lurking I reboot. Then if it
still happens I go digging more. The restarts usually fix me up though.
If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data 
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes
automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design
view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not

> do that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere 
> that I could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced 
> this? Any suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Thomas F
>             Ewald/LS/GDYN
>
To
>             04/24/2006 07:03          accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>             AM
cc
>
>
Subject
>                                       Strange Access Behavior(Document
>                                       link: Thomas F Ewald)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is 
> selected creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get 
> out of it without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save 
> the dumb thing and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set
something to do this?
Is
> anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always 
> a quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to 
> just
not
> save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr 24 08:24:29 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:24:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950604240539o3708770ci5c7b814ebc47e543@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF0BD2A66E.16BD09D8-ON8525715A.00495C87-8525715A.0049B030@is002023.gdls.com>

Well, duh. I do have a module that runs a lot of SQL statements, so I turn
off warnings at the beginning of it. I don't remember doing so, but I'll
bet I ran it and it was interrupted for some reason, so that warnings were
not turned back on. In that case, rebooting Access would, of course, reset
warnings to their default ON position.

Pretty sure this is it. Sorry to waste everyone's time. Well, if my
explanation above helps someone, then I guess it wasn't a total waste. If
you experience what I was complaining about, you might consider just
creating a simple macro that turns warnings on. You can then run that
whenever the problem shows up, and then see if it is corrected.

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





                                                                           
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I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't
used the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting
Access is my usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities
like that. If I really want to be sure it's not something lurking I
reboot. Then if it still happens I go digging more. The restarts
usually fix me up though. If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes
to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design
view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Thomas F
>             Ewald/LS/GDYN
>                                                                        To
>             04/24/2006 07:03          accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>             AM                                                         cc
>
>                                                                   Subject
>                                       Strange Access Behavior(Document
>                                       link: Thomas F Ewald)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hitting the New Object:AutoForm button when a table or query is selected
> creates the form, as always. However, it will not let me get out of it
> without saving. If I don't want to keep it, I have to save the dumb thing
> and then delete it. Could I have accidentally set something to do this?
Is
> anyone else experiencing this? Using the New Object button was always a
> quick way toto create a temporary form, but you had the option to just
not
> save the puppy. BTW, I'm using XP (Access and Windows).
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Apr 24 09:37:54 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:37:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action Command
Message-ID: <12472575.1145889474415.JavaMail.www@wwinf3202>

To all,
I am using a couple of menu bars which call functions with no problem at all, however I have a function which does everything I need for my new menu bar with the exception of a couple of additional commands at the end.  I tried making the function with a parameter ( function CallMe(strType as String) ) and putting either a 1 or a 2 in the parameter options, however it wont now run the function.  I would rather not copy all the code again as this seems a bit of a waste to me.
So is there a way I can pass a parameter to a function from one of my menu bar options.
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
Paul Hartland

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 24 10:51:10 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:51:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BC3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
days, so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
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From nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu  Mon Apr 24 10:53:22 2006
From: nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu (Gould, Nanette)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:53:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
Message-ID: <33E923DF3EB78B4D8DCD3A743427425CB1D3F6@mailbe07.mc.vanderbilt.edu>

Hello, all. I have a problem I hope someone can help me solve. I've got
data in a table that I need to export to Excel and each row needs to be
split into two rows for each EmpID. It's the AwardAmt and the RRC_RRT
data that need to appear on separate rows. Does anyone have any ideas of
how I can accomplish this in either Access or Excel?

Here's how the data is in my table:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50		 24.24
56704	 	C	
0063749	 MBB	 	Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
12.12	 	56703	 	T	

Here's how it needs to be in Excel:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50
56704	 	RRA	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 		24.24
56704		RRC	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
56703	 	RRA	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander
12.12	 	56703	 	RRT	


Thanks!
Nanette


From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Mon Apr 24 10:59:27 2006
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:59:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEHBDGAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I have a LONG text file that I need to extract into an Access table.

Every record is five lines so the Access import system will not work.  The
field descriptions are also part of the data which is no big deal.  I can
import the field descriptions and then delete those fields later.

What I am after is...Does anyone have a neat fixed-length import system that
will handle multiple lines per record?

If not, how do I jump to the next line after I finish with one?

Can I read one entire line into a string and then manipulate that?  Or
analyze it for certain data in order to handle the entire line differently?

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017






From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Apr 24 11:21:45 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:21:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
	Command
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F207165E5@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Paul,

Why not have two functions, on for each button. The first function will
simply execute the statement

 CallMe "1"

And the second one would (of course) execute

 CallMe "2"

HTH

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:38 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
Command
Importance: High


To all,
I am using a couple of menu bars which call functions with no problem at
all, however I have a function which does everything I need for my new menu
bar with the exception of a couple of additional commands at the end.  I
tried making the function with a parameter ( function CallMe(strType as
String) ) and putting either a 1 or a 2 in the parameter options, however it
wont now run the function.  I would rather not copy all the code again as
this seems a bit of a waste to me. So is there a way I can pass a parameter
to a function from one of my menu bar options. Thanks in advance for any
help on this. Paul Hartland
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Apr 24 11:23:45 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:23:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D974E8@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D352B6@ADGSERVER>

Nanette,

I first thought about using a union query, but that would duplicate the
EmpID.  So I'd probably use a temporary table two queries.

Temptable layout:

Fld1 Fld2 Fld3 Fld4 Fld5

Then populate the table with something like (air code):

strSQL="SELECT EmpID,PayGroup,FirstName,LastName,AwardAmt " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

strSQL2="SELECT RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

set rs=db.openrecordset(strsql,dbopensnapshot)
set rs2=db.openrecordset(strsql2,dbopensnapshot)
with rs
   do while not.eof
	'insert 1st line of data
	strSQL3="INSERT INTO TempTable (Fld1,Fld2,Fld3,Fld4,Fld5) " & _
		"VALUES(" & _
			cstr(!EmpID) & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!PayGroup),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!FirstName),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!LastName),'') & "," & _

			cstr(nz(!AwardAmt),'0') & ";"
	db.execute strsql3,dbfailonerror	'insert the 1st line

	'insert 2nd line of data
	strSQL3="INSERT INTO TempTable (Fld1,Fld2,Fld3) " & _
		"VALUES(" & _
			cstr(nz(!RRC_RRT),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!PayrollProcAcct),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!EarningsCode),'') & ";"
	db.execute strsql3,dbfailonerror	'insert the 2nd line

	.movenext
      loop


Now you can dump export the table to Excel.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gould, Nanette
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two


Hello, all. I have a problem I hope someone can help me solve. I've got
data in a table that I need to export to Excel and each row needs to be
split into two rows for each EmpID. It's the AwardAmt and the RRC_RRT
data that need to appear on separate rows. Does anyone have any ideas of
how I can accomplish this in either Access or Excel?

Here's how the data is in my table:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50		 24.24
56704	 	C	
0063749	 MBB	 	Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
12.12	 	56703	 	T	

Here's how it needs to be in Excel:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50
56704	 	RRA	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 		24.24
56704		RRC	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
56703	 	RRA	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander
12.12	 	56703	 	RRT	


Thanks!
Nanette



From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 11:32:54 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:32:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEHBDGAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEHBDGAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604240932g39312716yea7476acca4e37d8@mail.gmail.com>

You need to write your own import reading the text file with regular
VB I/O statements. Former list regular Seth Galitzer has a demo posted
in the downloads section at his website under FILE IO in VB

http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Gary



On 4/24/06, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> I have a LONG text file that I need to extract into an Access table.
>
> Every record is five lines so the Access import system will not work.  The
> field descriptions are also part of the data which is no big deal.  I can
> import the field descriptions and then delete those fields later.
>
> What I am after is...Does anyone have a neat fixed-length import system that
> will handle multiple lines per record?
>
> If not, how do I jump to the next line after I finish with one?
>
> Can I read one entire line into a string and then manipulate that?  Or
> analyze it for certain data in order to handle the entire line differently?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 24 11:34:36 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:34:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
In-Reply-To: <24782756.1145894252742.JavaMail.root@sniper13>
Message-ID: <000a01c667bc$fa16d230$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and wonder
if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working days,
so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Mon Apr 24 11:37:39 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:37:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C747@dewey.Symphony.local>

Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.  

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.    

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 24 11:42:11 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:42:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BCE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
days, so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
> --
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 24 11:52:16 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:52:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <s44d1e69.030@cactus.dk>

Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.  

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.    

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com 
www.symphonyinfo.com 
763-391-7400




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 24 12:11:00 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:11:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
In-Reply-To: <7837376.1145897245915.JavaMail.root@sniper39>
Message-ID: <000101c667c2$0fc409e0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Charlotte,

Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party product
like Infragistics is not used?

Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the MS
forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access version
except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and wonder
if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working days,
so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Mon Apr 24 12:14:11 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:14:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C748@dewey.Symphony.local>

Thanks, Gustav for your quick response....but I am not finding any hope
of downloading the driver.  Am I missing something? 


Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase

Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.  

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.    

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400


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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Apr 24 12:16:27 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:16:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11699.1145894450.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.11699.1145894450.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1145898987.444d07ebdefb5@webmail.highstream.net>

David,

This is an Access group.  You need to check on an ASP.Net group for answers to
this.

Try aspadvice.com and see if they can help you on that list.

Robert L. Stewart
The Dyson Group International
Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge


Quoting accessd-request at databaseadvisors.com:

> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:59:09 +1200
> From: David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424080437.01a39660 at dalyn.co.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I have found a partial solution:
>
>          Dim myControl1 As Control, myInt As Integer, lblLoop As Label
>          For myInt = 1 To 3
>              myControl1 = Page.FindControl("lblYrEnd" & myInt)
>              If (Not myControl1 Is Nothing) Then
>                  lblLoop = CType(myControl1, Label)
>                  lblLoop.Text = "Label No: " & myInt
>              End If
>          Next myInt
>
> This appends the value of myInt to the value entered into TextBox2
> and puts the result into the lblYrEnd label with the last character
> equal to myInt.
>
> I can get this to work in a plain aspx page.  However, the page I
> want to use it on has a Master page and content control.  When I run
> the same code the "myControl1 = Page.FindControl("lbltemp" & myInt)"
> line doesn't find the control.  My guess is that it is because it is
> hidden down the control hierarchy but I am having trouble with VB.Net
> help finding how to reference them.  Can anyone help?
>
> The code for the objects is:
>
> <%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile="~/MasterPage.master"
> AutoEventWireup="false" CodeFile="pgeSingleItemResult.aspx.vb"
> Inherits="pgeSingleItemResult" title="Untitled Page" %>
> <asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHolderID="ContentPlaceHolder1"
> Runat="Server">
>      <table style="z-index: 100; left: 237px; width: 713px; position:
> absolute; top: 217px; vertical-align: top; font-family: arial;
> border-collapse: separate; text-align: center; border-right: black
> 1px solid; border-top: black 1px solid; border-left: black 1px solid;
> border-bottom: black 1px solid;" cellspacing="0" id="tblItemResult">
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px; height: 20px;"
> bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd1" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd2" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd3" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd4" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>          <tr>
>              <td align="center" style="width: 21px" bordercolor="black">
>                  <asp:Label ID="lblYrEnd5" runat="server"
> Width="96px"></asp:Label></td>
>          </tr>
>      </table>
> </asp:Content>
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> New Zealand
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:20:17 +1200
> From: David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net labels Collection
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060424091929.01bad030 at dalyn.co.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> If anyone wants a small vb.Net project sample to see if they can find
> out why it is not working I can send it to them.
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> New Zealand





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 24 12:24:27 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:24:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEHBDGAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <444D09CB.4030202@shaw.ca>

I think you may have to read each record and parse, if there are field 
delimiters
you can use the split function. The ADO text driver might work but it 
would be convoluted
because it expects column header info at beginning.
You might be able to do with schema.ini playing with
FixedFormat option  Only used when the Format is FixedLength,
this can be set to one of the following values: RaggedEdge or 
TrueFixedLength.
RaggedEdge allows rows to be terminated with a Carriage Return character.
TrueFixedLength requires each row to be an exact number of characters,
and any Carriage Return characters not at a row boundary are assumed to 
be embedded in a field.
 
One of these methods will work

Public Sub ReadFile(ByVal sFileName As String, ByRef sContents As String)
' Dump XML  String to File for debugging
Dim strLine As String
Dim intLine As Long
Dim fhFile As Integer
    intLine = 0
    sContents = ""
    fhFile = FreeFile
   ' Debug.Print "Length of string=" & Len(sContents)
    Open sFileName For Input As #fhFile
Do While Not EOF(1) ' Loop until end of file.
    Input #1, strLine    ' Read data
    intLine = intLine + 1
    sContents = sContents & strLine
    'Debug.Print sContents  ' Print data to Debug window.
Loop
Close #fhFile    ' Close file.

    Debug.Print "Input File" & sFileName & " lines=" & intLine
End Sub
or

Sub ImportFile(strFileName As String)

   Dim rs As Recordset
   Dim strComplete As String
   Dim strLine As String
   Dim fNum As Integer   'for file I/O

   'open rs on table where you want to add fields
   Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableHere", dbOpenDynaset)

   'Open data file
   fNum = FreeFile   'file handle for I/O
   Open strFileName For Input As #fNum

   'Data on 3 lines?
   'read a line
   Line Input #1, strLine
   strComplete = strLine
   Line Input #1, strLine
   strComplete = strComplete & strLine
   Line Input #1, strLine
   strComplete = strComplete & strLine

   'we expect to enter this loop with the first 3 lines read... a 
complete record
   'just parse the lines into the proper recordset fields
   Do
      rs.AddNew
      rs!CustNo = left(strComplete, 9)
      rs!CustName = Mid(strComplete, 10, 40)
      rs!CustCity = right(strComplete, 10)
      rs.Update

      'are we at the end of the file?
      If EOF(fNum) Then
         Exit Do
      End If
      'well, we're not at the end of the file so must have more data
      'read in next 3 lines of data and loop
      Line Input #1, strLine
      strComplete = strLine
      Line Input #1, strLine
      strComplete = strComplete & strLine
      Line Input #1, strLine
      strComplete = strComplete & strLine
   Loop
ProcExit:
   Close #fNum   ' Close file.
   'close and set objects to nothing
   rs.Close
   Set rs = Nothing
End Sub


Reuben Cummings wrote:

>I have a LONG text file that I need to extract into an Access table.
>
>Every record is five lines so the Access import system will not work.  The
>field descriptions are also part of the data which is no big deal.  I can
>import the field descriptions and then delete those fields later.
>
>What I am after is...Does anyone have a neat fixed-length import system that
>will handle multiple lines per record?
>
>If not, how do I jump to the next line after I finish with one?
>
>Can I read one entire line into a string and then manipulate that?  Or
>analyze it for certain data in order to handle the entire line differently?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Reuben Cummings
>GFC, LLC
>812.523.1017
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu  Mon Apr 24 12:39:58 2006
From: nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu (Gould, Nanette)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:39:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
Message-ID: <33E923DF3EB78B4D8DCD3A743427425CB1D404@mailbe07.mc.vanderbilt.edu>

Thanks! I'll give it a try and let you know if I hit any snags. 

Nanette

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two

Nanette,

I first thought about using a union query, but that would duplicate the
EmpID.  So I'd probably use a temporary table two queries.

Temptable layout:

Fld1 Fld2 Fld3 Fld4 Fld5

Then populate the table with something like (air code):

strSQL="SELECT EmpID,PayGroup,FirstName,LastName,AwardAmt " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

strSQL2="SELECT RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

set rs=db.openrecordset(strsql,dbopensnapshot)
set rs2=db.openrecordset(strsql2,dbopensnapshot)
with rs
   do while not.eof
	'insert 1st line of data
	strSQL3="INSERT INTO TempTable (Fld1,Fld2,Fld3,Fld4,Fld5) " & _
		"VALUES(" & _
			cstr(!EmpID) & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!PayGroup),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!FirstName),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!LastName),'') & "," & _

			cstr(nz(!AwardAmt),'0') & ";"
	db.execute strsql3,dbfailonerror	'insert the 1st line

	'insert 2nd line of data
	strSQL3="INSERT INTO TempTable (Fld1,Fld2,Fld3) " & _
		"VALUES(" & _
			cstr(nz(!RRC_RRT),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!PayrollProcAcct),'') & "," & _
			cstr(nz(!EarningsCode),'') & ";"
	db.execute strsql3,dbfailonerror	'insert the 2nd line

	.movenext
      loop


Now you can dump export the table to Excel.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gould,
Nanette
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two


Hello, all. I have a problem I hope someone can help me solve. I've got
data in a table that I need to export to Excel and each row needs to be
split into two rows for each EmpID. It's the AwardAmt and the RRC_RRT
data that need to appear on separate rows. Does anyone have any ideas of
how I can accomplish this in either Access or Excel?

Here's how the data is in my table:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50		 24.24
56704	 	C	
0063749	 MBB	 	Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
12.12	 	56703	 	T	

Here's how it needs to be in Excel:

EmpID	 PayGroup	 FirstName	 LastName	 AwardAmt
RRC_RRT	 PayrollProcAcct	 EarningsCode	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 50
56704	 	RRA	
0007871	 MBB	 	 Luis M	 Alcazar	 		24.24
56704		RRC	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander	 25
56703	 	RRA	
0063749	 MBB	 	 Kay S	 	Alexander
12.12	 	56703	 	RRT	


Thanks!
Nanette

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 24 12:54:05 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:54:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of
app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  We
use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers) rather
than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
tools. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Charlotte,

Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
product like Infragistics is not used?

Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
days, so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 24 13:05:48 2006
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:05:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
In-Reply-To: <s44d1e69.030@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNIEEICLAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Liz get with their Sys admin and find out if he knows where the RB Gateway
file is. The gateway was a console (in older versions of Rbase) that allowed
exports and select statements.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase


Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 13:09:36 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:09:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C747@dewey.Symphony.local>
References: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C747@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920604241109wadf5c00j9894b13ed136f009@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/24/06, Liz Doering <ldoering at symphonyinfo.com> wrote:

> Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
> me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
> of those anywhere.
>
> So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
> client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Did the trial version of RBase install the RBase ODBC Drivers? If so,
try using them to get the data into Access.

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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 24 13:18:13 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:18:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
In-Reply-To: <30361027.1145901515108.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c667cb$73b43610$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Well - that saved me 3 days of research!

Thanks Charlotte!

Dan 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of app
you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls because the
granularity is greater and you can make them do things that aren't possible
with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other languages that are part of
VS all use the same forms, whether they're the built in ones or 3rd party.
You can also mix and match using just specific 3rd party tools with the
built in tools to meet your needs.  We use a lot of the built in controls,
like panels, but we use 3rd party tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes,
date/time controls, calendars, grids, and some others that escape me at the
moment.  We also use ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access
programmers) rather than the built in Crystal reports and we use
ComponentOne graphing tools. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Charlotte,

Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party product
like Infragistics is not used?

Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the MS
forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access version
except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and wonder
if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working days,
so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Apr 24 13:26:35 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:26:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D97530@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D352B9@ADGSERVER>

I just saw this, change:

strSQL2="SELECT RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

to 

strSQL2="SELECT EmpId,RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

I added the EmpId field to the query.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gould, Nanette
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two


Thanks! I'll give it a try and let you know if I hit any snags. 

Nanette



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Apr 24 13:28:24 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:28:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D97483@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D352BA@ADGSERVER>

Restarting has solved that for me also.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: ewaldt at gdls.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Access Behavior


I've have had similar weirdness like this happen although I haven't
used the autoform or new object thingies. Closing and restarting
Access is my usual procedure when I encounter unexplained oddities
like that. If I really want to be sure it's not something lurking I
reboot. Then if it still happens I go digging more. The restarts
usually fix me up though. If nothing else it gives me a couple minutes
to reboot my brain too.

GK

On 4/24/06, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
> All right...more confusion. We all know that Access saves data
> automatically. Now, however, it also saves object changes automatically.
> That is, I make a change to a table in design view, then close design
view.
> Access has always asked me if I wanted to save my changes. It does not do
> that now; it automatically saves the changes. I don't see anywhere that I
> could have set this as an option; has anyone else experienced this? Any
> suggestions as to how to get out of it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> FCS Database Manager
> General Dynamics Land Systems
> (586) 276-1256
>



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Apr 24 13:27:18 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:27:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362565D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.UserPaint, True)
Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.AllPaintingInWmPaint, True)
Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.DoubleBuffer, True)
Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.ResizeRedraw, True)
Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.SupportsTransparentBackColor, True)
Then, you need to override the OnPaint event and draw your own control.
The basic steps involved are:

Protected Overrides Function ProcessMnemonic(ByVal charCode As Char) As
Boolean
    For Each p As TabPage In Me.TabPages
        If Control.IsMnemonic(charCode, p.Text) Then
            Me.SelectedTab = p
            Me.Focus()
            Return True
        End If
    Next p
    Return False
End Function 'ProcessMnemonic
          
Protected Overrides Sub OnPaint(ByVal e As _
          System.Windows.Forms.PaintEventArgs)
    MyBase.OnPaint(e)
    DrawControl(e.Graphics)
End Sub

Friend Sub DrawControl(ByVal g As Graphics)
    If Not Visible Then
        Return
    End If
    Dim render As New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
    Dim TabControlArea As Rectangle = Me.ClientRectangle
    Dim TabArea As Rectangle = Me.DisplayRectangle
    TabArea.Y = TabArea.Y + 1
    TabArea.Width = TabArea.Width + 1
    Dim nDelta As Integer = SystemInformation.Border3DSize.Width
    TabArea.Inflate(nDelta, nDelta)
    render.DrawBackground(g, TabArea)
      
    Dim i As Integer = 0
    While i < Me.TabCount
        DrawTab(g, Me.TabPages(i), i)
        i += 1
    End While
      
End Sub
          
Friend Sub DrawTab(ByVal g As Graphics, ByVal tabPage _
           As TabPage, ByVal nIndex As Integer)
    Dim recBounds As Rectangle = Me.GetTabRect(nIndex)
      
    Dim tabTextArea As RectangleF = _
        CType(Me.GetTabRect(nIndex), RectangleF)
    Dim bSelected As Boolean = (Me.SelectedIndex = nIndex)
    Dim render As New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
    render = New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
    If bSelected Then
        recBounds.Height = recBounds.Height + 10
        render = New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
        render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
        render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
               EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
    Else
        recBounds.Y = recBounds.Y + 1
        render = New
VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Normal)
        render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
        render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
               EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
    End If
    If (tabPage.ImageIndex >= 0) AndAlso _
                (Not (ImageList Is Nothing)) _
                AndAlso (Not (ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex) _
                Is Nothing)) Then
        Dim nLeftMargin As Integer = 8
        Dim nRightMargin As Integer = 2
        Dim img As Image = ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex)
        Dim rimage As Rectangle = New Rectangle(recBounds.X + _
                   nLeftMargin, recBounds.Y + 1, img.Width, img.Height)
        Dim nAdj As Single = CType((nLeftMargin + _
                    img.Width + nRightMargin), Single)
        rimage.Y += (recBounds.Height - img.Height) / 2
        tabTextArea.X += nAdj
        tabTextArea.Width -= nAdj
        g.DrawImage(img, rimage)
    End If

    Dim stringFormat As StringFormat = New StringFormat
    stringFormat.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
    stringFormat.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
    If FlagControl Then
        stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Show
    Else
        stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Hide
    End If
    Dim br As Brush
    br = New SolidBrush(tabPage.ForeColor)
    g.DrawString(tabPage.Text, Font, br, tabTextArea, stringFormat)
End Sub

'add a reference to the TabControl into the new project and drag the
TabControl to your form.


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Hi Charlotte,

I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

Thanks!
Dan 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
days, so I'm out of date. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Tabs on the left with horizontal text


Kath



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


> Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
> side, or did you mean vertical text?
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
> (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>
> I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
> text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
> [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
then
> they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>
> Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
way?
> I can't find it....
>
> ______________________________________
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From nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu  Mon Apr 24 13:32:39 2006
From: nanette.j.gould at Vanderbilt.Edu (Gould, Nanette)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two
Message-ID: <33E923DF3EB78B4D8DCD3A743427425CB1D40D@mailbe07.mc.vanderbilt.edu>

I haven't had a chance to test it yet so I'll make that change before I
do. 

Thanks!
Nanette

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two

I just saw this, change:

strSQL2="SELECT RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

to 

strSQL2="SELECT EmpId,RRC_RRT,PayrollProcAcct,EarningsCode " & _
	"FROM SomeTable " & _
	"ORDER BY EmpID ASC;

I added the EmpId field to the query.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gould,
Nanette
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Splitting data from one row into two


Thanks! I'll give it a try and let you know if I hit any snags. 

Nanette

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 24 13:55:23 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:55:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <444D1F1B.1010200@shaw.ca>

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web Forms,
then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and 
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up
It is an airline hotel reservation system
http://farechase.yahoo.com/

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of
>app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
>because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
>aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
>languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
>the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
>specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  We
>use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
>tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
>grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
>ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers) rather
>than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
>tools. 
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
>product like Infragistics is not used?
>
>Dan 
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
>MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
>version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
>Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Hi Charlotte,
>
>I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
>called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
>wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>
>Thanks!
>Dan 
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
>days, so I'm out of date. 
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>
>
>Kath
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  
>
>>Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>>side, or did you mean vertical text?
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>>    
>>
>Pelletti
>  
>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>>To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>>
>>I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>>text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>>[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>>    
>>
>then
>  
>
>>they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>>
>>Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>>    
>>
>way?
>  
>
>>I can't find it....
>>
>>    
>>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 24 15:57:02 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:57:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BDF@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind 
>of app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls 
>because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that

>aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other 
>languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're 
>the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just 
>specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  
>We use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd 
>party tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, 
>calendars, grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We 
>also use ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access 
>programmers) rather than the built in Crystal reports and we use 
>ComponentOne graphing tools.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party 
>product like Infragistics is not used?
>
>Dan
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the 
>MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access

>version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  
>Only Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Hi Charlotte,
>
>I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this 
>be called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and 
>wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>
>Thanks!
>Dan
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working 
>days, so I'm out of date.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
>Pelletti
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>
>
>Kath
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  
>
>>Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>>side, or did you mean vertical text?
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>>    
>>
>Pelletti
>  
>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>>To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>>
>>I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>>text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>>[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>>    
>>
>then
>  
>
>>they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>>
>>Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>>    
>>
>way?
>  
>
>>I can't find it....
>>
>>    
>>

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From JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov  Mon Apr 24 16:32:56 2006
From: JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov (JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:32:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
In-Reply-To: <s44d1e69.030@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <OF754CC975.ACEB28C8-ON8625715A.0075A0AC-8625715A.0076429E@ci.lincoln.ne.us>


Don't bother with the ODBC drivers.  If my memory is correct, they don't
always work very well.  We have converted almost all of our RBase 4.5 to
Access 2000 (over 50 applications for some 200 RBase databases).  The
process we use is to export each RBase table to DBF files, then import
those into Access.  Your client's RBase has all the necessary tools (i.e.
Gateway) to do the export from RBase.  One gotcha is that whoever set up
the RBase tables may have used some dBase reserved words as part of the
table or column names.  Column  names will also be truncated at eight
characters.  If so, you can issue the RENAME COLUMN command at a R> prompt
to change those.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off list.

Jim Hicks
Systems Analyst Programmer II
City of Lincoln
Information Services
402-441-7199



                                                                           
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Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 25 00:37:53 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:37:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BDF@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <444DB5B1.1050309@shaw.ca>

I have been using variations of AJAX for a few years. Some people scorn it.
But if you are going to get run out of town  because of it,
might as well look like you are leading the parade.
Here is an article on  it pro's and con's
Written for a pretty good VB.Net magazine, I can't get locally
Code Magazine, You might find some useful articles on VB.Net too.
Calls itself the leading magazine for .Net Developers

The AJAX Hype - Some Things to Think About
http://www.code-magazine.com/Article.aspx?quickid=050093 

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
>a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
>be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
>spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
>browser for everything.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
>Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
>however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
>yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
>accusations.
>http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
>There are many pros and cons to this approach
>
>The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
>ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.
>
>Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
>reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/
>
>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>  
>
>>VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind 
>>of app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls 
>>because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other 
>>languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're 
>>the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just 
>>specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  
>>We use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd 
>>party tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, 
>>calendars, grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We 
>>also use ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access 
>>programmers) rather than the built in Crystal reports and we use 
>>ComponentOne graphing tools.
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>Charlotte,
>>
>>Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party 
>>product like Infragistics is not used?
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>Foust
>>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>
>>We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the 
>>MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>>panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>>VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  
>>Only Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>Hi Charlotte,
>>
>>I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this 
>>be called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and 
>>wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>Foust
>>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>
>>Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working 
>>days, so I'm out of date.
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
>>Pelletti
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>>
>>
>>Kath
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>>>side, or did you mean vertical text?
>>>
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Pelletti
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>>>To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>>
>>>(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>>>
>>>I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>>>text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>>>[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>then
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>>>
>>>Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>way?
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I can't find it....
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Apr 25 06:11:25 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:11:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625665@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

It is my understanding that the upcoming .ADO release is specifically
working towards providing the windows forms controls for both windows
apps and web forms. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind 
>of app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls 
>because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that

>aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other 
>languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're 
>the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just 
>specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.
>We use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd 
>party tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, 
>calendars, grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We 
>also use ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access
>programmers) rather than the built in Crystal reports and we use 
>ComponentOne graphing tools.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party 
>product like Infragistics is not used?
>
>Dan
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the 
>MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access

>version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  
>Only Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Hi Charlotte,
>
>I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this 
>be called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and 
>wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>
>Thanks!
>Dan
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working 
>days, so I'm out of date.
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
>Pelletti
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>
>
>Kath
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  
>
>>Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>>side, or did you mean vertical text?
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>>    
>>
>Pelletti
>  
>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>>To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>>
>>(Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>>
>>I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>>text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>>[Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>>    
>>
>then
>  
>
>>they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>>
>>Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>>    
>>
>way?
>  
>
>>I can't find it....
>>
>>    
>>

--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Apr 25 06:19:23 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:19:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625666@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

This is a script I wrote to write values out from one table in Acc

DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE tblDocumentsStdApp.txtFiles FROM
tblDocumentsStdApp;  ", 0
Set txtfile = Nothing
Set objFSO = CreateObject("scripting.filesystemobject")
This routine may help.  We have an application that users submit to us
with various files - word, excel,....  I read the file names from the
drive, write those names to a .txt file and then import each one into a
table to store in the database.


strsource = "C:\_DEIMS_SQL\StdApp"
strDest = strsource
filepath = strDest & "\filenames.txt"
Set txtfile = objFSO.OpenTextFile(filepath, 2, True, False)
Set objFolder = objFSO.GetFolder(strsource)
Set colFiles = objFolder.Files

For Each objFile In colFiles
If objFile.Name <> "filenames.txt" Then
    If InStr(objFile.Name, ".ldb") = 0 Then
        strFile = objFile.Name
        strSourcePath = strsource & "\" & strFile
        strDestPath = strDest & "\" & strFile
        objFSO.CopyFile strSourcePath, strDestPath
        txtfile.WriteLine (strFile)
        End If
  End If
Next
Dim db As dao.Database
Set db = CurrentDb
Dim rs As Recordset
Dim varStr As String
Set txtfile = Nothing

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("tblDocumentsStdApp", dbOpenDynaset)
Set txtfile = objFSO.OpenTextFile(filepath, 1, True, False)
While txtfile.AtEndOfStream = False
    varStr = txtfile.ReadLine()
    rs.AddNew
    rs!txtFiles = varStr
    rs.Update
Wend

DoCmd.SetWarnings True 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Fixed Length Data

You need to write your own import reading the text file with regular VB
I/O statements. Former list regular Seth Galitzer has a demo posted in
the downloads section at his website under FILE IO in VB

http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Gary



On 4/24/06, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> I have a LONG text file that I need to extract into an Access table.
>
> Every record is five lines so the Access import system will not work.

> The field descriptions are also part of the data which is no big deal.

> I can import the field descriptions and then delete those fields
later.
>
> What I am after is...Does anyone have a neat fixed-length import 
> system that will handle multiple lines per record?
>
> If not, how do I jump to the next line after I finish with one?
>
> Can I read one entire line into a string and then manipulate that?  Or

> analyze it for certain data in order to handle the entire line
differently?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>
>
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Apr 25 10:28:20 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:28:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C755@dewey.Symphony.local>

Bryan,

That was my hope; no such luck.   


Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase

On 4/24/06, Liz Doering <ldoering at symphonyinfo.com> wrote:

> Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow

> me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one

> of those anywhere.
>
> So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the 
> client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Did the trial version of RBase install the RBase ODBC Drivers? If so,
try using them to get the data into Access.

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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Apr 25 10:29:53 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:29:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C756@dewey.Symphony.local>

David,

This is what I finally did.  It still involved the 2 hour round trip I
was trying to avoid, but I was able to get everything I needed.

Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
liz at symphonyinfo.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase

Liz get with their Sys admin and find out if he knows where the RB
Gateway file is. The gateway was a console (in older versions of Rbase)
that allowed exports and select statements.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase


Hi Liz

The ODBC driver is here:

  http://www.oterro.com/

However, if an eval. is for download I can't see.

/gustav

>>> ldoering at symphonyinfo.com 24-04-2006 18:37:39 >>>
Dear List,

I have a client who is running (limping) their billing through a thing
built in Rbase 4.5 or so.  I've built them a shiny new Access system
that makes all their dreams come true.

Now for the tricky part.  Rbase will kindly allow me to download an eval
copy of their latest and greatest (7.5), but the eval version has a
charming feature:  no exports allowed.  So I can open the tables and
view the contents, but I can't make a .xls, .csv., .db or .dbf out of
what I see.

Of course my fondest wish is for a little odbc driver that would allow
me to connect to these tables from Access, but I haven't turned up one
of those anywhere.

So, short of buying Rbase (a non-trivial expense) or driving to the
client (one hour each way), has anyone got any great ideas?

Thanks,

Liz Doering
Senior Developer
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400


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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Apr 25 10:31:39 2006
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:31:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rbase
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC10C757@dewey.Symphony.local>

Jim,

This makes me feel much better about the 2-hour round trip to get the
data.  Using Rbase's tools at their site was definitely the way to go,
once I went there.


Thanks,

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
JHicks at lincoln.ne.gov
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rbase


Don't bother with the ODBC drivers.  If my memory is correct, they don't
always work very well.  We have converted almost all of our RBase 4.5 to
Access 2000 (over 50 applications for some 200 RBase databases).  The
process we use is to export each RBase table to DBF files, then import
those into Access.  Your client's RBase has all the necessary tools
(i.e.
Gateway) to do the export from RBase.  One gotcha is that whoever set up
the RBase tables may have used some dBase reserved words as part of the
table or column names.  Column  names will also be truncated at eight
characters.  If so, you can issue the RENAME COLUMN command at a R>
prompt to change those.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off list.

Jim Hicks
Systems Analyst Programmer II
City of Lincoln
Information Services
402-441-7199



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 25 10:53:38 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:53:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BF7@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I believe that is so, but I don't know how that will affect programming
the interfaces.   


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen
S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

It is my understanding that the upcoming .ADO release is specifically
working towards providing the windows forms controls for both windows
apps and web forms. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 25 11:56:56 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:56:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Google maps
Message-ID: <s44e7114.051@cactus.dk>

Hi all

This service has been updated with street names for many European countries.
Visit my office where I at Kalkbr?nderil?bskaj (no kidding) can look at the tree (center of map) in the middle of the small parking lot and the power plant (of very high architectural quality!) across the harbour:

http://maps.google.com/?om=1&t=h&ll=55.713079,12.591501&spn=0.003252,0.007038

I'm amazed. This is so accurate. And free. Where are we going?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-11-2005 08:47:13 >>>
Hi Marty:

There is a lot of extra code to dig through to get a piece I can use but
thanks for the info... The address translator and returning lats and longs
should be able to work locally, depending if it is a process that all can
access.

Thanks again
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Google maps

Look up pushpin in the google map api
Multiple pushpins can only be done through your website, I think.
But I haven't footled around with it.

however the q parameter puts a pushpin on the map
http://maps.google.com/?q=-35.146540,138.540741&t=k&z=0 

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>This definitely OT but the list is such a talented group I pose this
>computer programming question.
> 
>There are a number of agencies that sell lat and long cross-references to
>zip and postal codes and those can be used roughly positioning a 'marker' on
>a Google maps page. If you only need a few locations on a map is there a
>quicker way than zooming, clicking, capturing the mouse position and then
>manually entering the results for each marker into the page script? If there
>are only a couple of markers it is definitely the best way but if there are
>say 20+ required are there any short-cuts?
>
>MTIA
>Jim




From cjeris at fas.harvard.edu  Tue Apr 25 12:07:20 2006
From: cjeris at fas.harvard.edu (Christopher Jeris)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:07:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DoCmd.TransferText inserts lines in found order?
Message-ID: <444E5748.9020008@fas.harvard.edu>

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Access 2002 SP3 10.6501.6735, VBA 6.3 (6.4.9972).

I have a fresh table

[rowno]   AutoNumber,
[content] Memo

I call
DoCmd.TransferText acImportFixed, <specname>, <tablename>, <filename>, , ,
65001

where <specname> names a specification which places each line of the input
text file <filename> into the [content] field of <tablename>.  It appears
that the text file's lines are inserted in order, so that [rowno] forms a
correct line numbering for the original text file (although the rows may
not physically be in order by [rowno] = line number).  Is this behavior
(rows inserted in the same order they appear in the text file) guaranteed?
 If so, is this fact documented anywhere?  I cannot find it.

(The reason I'm doing this is that the input text file is encoded UTF-8,
and if I use VBA Open/Line Input to get the text into strings, it appears
to destroy my text by assuming the file is encoded ISO-8859-1 or
Windows-1252 or something; if I use DoCmd.TransferText with CodePage =
65001 to pull it into a table and then open a recordset on the table, the
encoding is transformed correctly.  If you know an alternative solution to
this problem, I would be grateful for that as well.)

Thanks for your time,
Chris Jeris
- --
Christopher Jeris
Web and Database Application Developer
Harvard College Library, Widener G-10
cjeris at fas.harvard.edu / 617-495-2223
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Apr 25 12:17:11 2006
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:47:11 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Password argument
	for currently open db.
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BF7@INFOSERVER04.infostat.lo
	cal>
Message-ID: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt>

    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.

    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"

    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?

    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.

TIA
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 25 12:23:24 2006
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:23:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Google maps
In-Reply-To: <s44e7114.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F29879266BE0201841E78D4D2BF0@phx.gbl>

Gustav,

Have you used Google Earth?  Same concept as google maps...but with a lot 
more cool features.  I used it a few months ago...I rented a cabin in the 
mountains...looked at it with google earth...and I could tilt the map...and 
see what the mountains looked like from the deck...not a picture perfect 
image...but a great idea of what the terrain looked like.  I then emailed 
the link to my friend that was joining me there.

Another great feature...is that you can zoom on an area...and select what 
type of business you want it to pinpoint for you(banks, gas stations, fast 
food, chinese restaurant).

Some areas have better imagery than others...the parking lot at the google 
campus...you can almost see in the sunroof of a car in the parkinglot.  
Absolutely amazing.

Kinda scary when you think of it...


Mark


>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Google maps
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:56:56 +0200
>
>Hi all
>
>This service has been updated with street names for many European 
>countries.
>Visit my office where I at Kalkbr?nderil?bskaj (no kidding) can look at the 
>tree (center of map) in the middle of the small parking lot and the power 
>plant (of very high architectural quality!) across the harbour:
>
>http://maps.google.com/?om=1&t=h&ll=55.713079,12.591501&spn=0.003252,0.007038
>
>I'm amazed. This is so accurate. And free. Where are we going?
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-11-2005 08:47:13 >>>
>Hi Marty:
>
>There is a lot of extra code to dig through to get a piece I can use but
>thanks for the info... The address translator and returning lats and longs
>should be able to work locally, depending if it is a process that all can
>access.
>
>Thanks again
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Google maps
>
>Look up pushpin in the google map api
>Multiple pushpins can only be done through your website, I think.
>But I haven't footled around with it.
>
>however the q parameter puts a pushpin on the map
>http://maps.google.com/?q=-35.146540,138.540741&t=k&z=0
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> >Hi All:
> >
> >This definitely OT but the list is such a talented group I pose this
> >computer programming question.
> >
> >There are a number of agencies that sell lat and long cross-references to
> >zip and postal codes and those can be used roughly positioning a 'marker' 
>on
> >a Google maps page. If you only need a few locations on a map is there a
> >quicker way than zooming, clicking, capturing the mouse position and then
> >manually entering the results for each marker into the page script? If 
>there
> >are only a couple of markers it is definitely the best way but if there 
>are
> >say 20+ required are there any short-cuts?
> >
> >MTIA
> >Jim
>
>
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Tue Apr 25 12:29:32 2006
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:29:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Google maps
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A060A4ECA@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Gustav,

And a broadband connection with Google's "Google Earth" program ( http://earth.google.com/ ) gives you quick search and zoom capability for virtually any spot on the planet.  You can even alter the angle of view to examine geographic features in three dimensions and 360 degrees.  Very cool.  :0)

Cheers

Don



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Google maps

Hi all

This service has been updated with street names for many European countries.
Visit my office where I at Kalkbr?nderil?bskaj (no kidding) can look at the tree (center of map) in the middle of the small parking lot and the power plant (of very high architectural quality!) across the harbour:

http://maps.google.com/?om=1&t=h&ll=55.713079,12.591501&spn=0.003252,0.007038

I'm amazed. This is so accurate. And free. Where are we going?

/gustav




From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Tue Apr 25 12:44:24 2006
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:44:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A53CF87@aries.TexasSystems.local>


And there we have it. A completely non-Access thread, not flagged OT,
and not tagged by the moderators. The only one I can recall. 

I am NOT complaining -- I just wanted to observe that this should be the
natural trend of this forum. 

My local Access Developers group is now almost exclusively .NET and Web,
and that is largely a good thing. 

Like it or not, MS has moved our cheese. We need to follow the cheese. 

-Ken
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

I believe that is so, but I don't know how that will affect programming
the interfaces.   


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen
S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

It is my understanding that the upcoming .ADO release is specifically
working towards providing the windows forms controls for both windows
apps and web forms. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 25 12:50:32 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:50:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT? - Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BFF@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I think it is a logical move to discuss how to migrate from Access to
.Net in this list.  Where better? ;o> 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


And there we have it. A completely non-Access thread, not flagged OT,
and not tagged by the moderators. The only one I can recall. 

I am NOT complaining -- I just wanted to observe that this should be the
natural trend of this forum. 

My local Access Developers group is now almost exclusively .NET and Web,
and that is largely a good thing. 

Like it or not, MS has moved our cheese. We need to follow the cheese. 

-Ken
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

I believe that is so, but I don't know how that will affect programming
the interfaces.   


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen
S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

It is my understanding that the upcoming .ADO release is specifically
working towards providing the windows forms controls for both windows
apps and web forms. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

But that is for web pages/forms, not windows apps that aren't hosted in
a browser.  That's a bit farther from the Access object model than might
be comfortable for some developers just beginning to make the switch. In
spite of the Microsoft push, a lot of people just don't want to use a
browser for everything.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

A lot of sites are moving to AJAX (XML and Javascript) instead of Web
Forms, then there is no need for .net framework install.
however ATLAS (Microsoft AJAX controls) aren't fully browser independent
yet, as some don't work with Opera etc. This produces much wailing and
accusations.
http://atlas.asp.net/default.aspx?tabid=47&subtabid=477
There are many pros and cons to this approach

The big kick and bandwagon just now is to do mash-ups with AJAX.
ie linking Google Maps to your inhouse database.

Here is a an AJAX implementation just brought up It is an airline hotel
reservation system http://farechase.yahoo.com/


--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Apr 25 13:00:49 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:00:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] value List Headers
References: <B7C87D3ABC87FC4E8CFE054CE2E8868A53CF87@aries.TexasSystems.local>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE27821E2@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

How can I get headers to appear on an unbound list box based on a value list generated via code?
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 25 13:06:41 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:06:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] value List Headers
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5C00@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Make the header values the first items in the value list, delimited just
like the rest of the values.  Then you'll have to tell Access the list
had headers. 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] value List Headers

How can I get headers to appear on an unbound list box based on a value
list generated via code?
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 25 13:12:06 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:12:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Google maps
Message-ID: <s44e82b0.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark and Don

Yes I know that - it's installed - but the web service is shareable with a click!

> Kinda scary when you think of it...

Exactly. Very powerful.

Just located my hotel in Barcelona - with the pool on the roof:

http://maps.google.com/?om=1&t=h&ll=41.405326,2.212147&spn=0.002165,0.003519

Note the wonderful beach. Did you know that? A large city with "built-in beach".

Oh well, Friday is approaching ...

/gustav


>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 25-04-2006 19:23:24 >>>
Gustav,

Have you used Google Earth?  Same concept as google maps...but with a lot 
more cool features.  I used it a few months ago...I rented a cabin in the 
mountains...looked at it with google earth...and I could tilt the map...and 
see what the mountains looked like from the deck...not a picture perfect 
image...but a great idea of what the terrain looked like.  I then emailed 
the link to my friend that was joining me there.

Another great feature...is that you can zoom on an area...and select what 
type of business you want it to pinpoint for you(banks, gas stations, fast 
food, chinese restaurant).

Some areas have better imagery than others...the parking lot at the google 
campus...you can almost see in the sunroof of a car in the parkinglot.  
Absolutely amazing.

Kinda scary when you think of it...


Mark




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 25 15:02:16 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:02:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Password
 argument for currently open db.
References: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt>
Message-ID: <444E8048.5020109@shaw.ca>

For 97 this was easy
http://www.trigeminal.com/code/DatabasePassword.bas


A.D.TEJPAL wrote:

>    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.
>
>    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
>                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"
>
>    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?
>
>    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.
>
>TIA
>A.D.Tejpal
>---------------
>  
>

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Canada





From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 25 19:22:39 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:22:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BC3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00b301c668c7$8791d5a0$6601a8c0@office>

Hi Charlotte - thanks for asking. Yes - I did get a solution. 

Here it is:

- Add a new tab control (leave it called TabControl1)
- Change the tab control's properties as follows:

- Change DrawMode to OwnerDrawFixed
- Change Item Size to allow for a wider tab, eg. I changed it to 50,100
- Change Size mode to Fixed.

Then add this code to get the text turned around to horizontal:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub TabControl1_DrawItem(ByVal sender As System.Object, _
ByVal e As DrawItemEventArgs) Handles TabControl1.DrawItem

e.Graphics.FillRectangle(SystemBrushes.Control, e.Bounds)
Dim sf As New StringFormat
sf.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
sf.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
e.Graphics.DrawString(TabControl1.TabPages(e.Index ).Text, _
TabControl1.Font, SystemBrushes.ControlText, _
RectangleF.op_Implicit(e.Bounds), sf)
End Sub

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Works well. Credit to this site:
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-1323844.php

rgds
Kath


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
  days, so I'm out of date. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Tabs on the left with horizontal text


  Kath



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  > Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
  > side, or did you mean vertical text?
  >
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
  Pelletti
  > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
  > To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
  > Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
  >
  > (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
  >
  > I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
  > text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
  > [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
  then
  > they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
  >
  > Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
  way?
  > I can't find it....
  >
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 25 19:30:30 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:30:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00f301c668c8$9f710550$6601a8c0@office>

Charlotte - I am surprised by how *many* 3rd party tools you use - why do you use them for things like tabs, combos, date/time controls, text boxes? And is that something you would revisit with the new .net or have you gone that way because the new .net is buggy or ??? Are there some that you would particularly recommend?

I will have a look at ActiveReports as one of my requirements for this system is for charts.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of
  app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
  because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
  aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
  languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
  the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
  specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  We
  use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
  tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
  grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
  ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers) rather
  than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
  tools. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Charlotte,

  Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
  product like Infragistics is not used?

  Dan 
   


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
  Foust
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
  MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
  version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
  panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
  VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
  Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Hi Charlotte,

  I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
  called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
  wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

  Thanks!
  Dan 
   


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
  Foust
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
  days, so I'm out of date. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Tabs on the left with horizontal text


  Kath



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  > Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
  > side, or did you mean vertical text?
  >
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
  Pelletti
  > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
  > To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
  > Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
  >
  > (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
  >
  > I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
  > text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
  > [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
  then
  > they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
  >
  > Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
  way?
  > I can't find it....
  >
  > ______________________________________
  > Kath Pelletti
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 25 19:37:07 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:37:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E430362565D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <012001c668c9$8c97ed80$6601a8c0@office>

Karen - I have created a new Windows form, added a tab control, pasted the code inside the form's class.

I am getting sytax errors on the me. lines at the top. Should these be sitting inside an event associated with the tab control?

And when you say to set a reference to the tab control. do you mean via [Project], [Add Reference]?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR) 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.UserPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.AllPaintingInWmPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.DoubleBuffer, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.ResizeRedraw, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.SupportsTransparentBackColor, True)
  Then, you need to override the OnPaint event and draw your own control.
  The basic steps involved are:

  Protected Overrides Function ProcessMnemonic(ByVal charCode As Char) As
  Boolean
      For Each p As TabPage In Me.TabPages
          If Control.IsMnemonic(charCode, p.Text) Then
              Me.SelectedTab = p
              Me.Focus()
              Return True
          End If
      Next p
      Return False
  End Function 'ProcessMnemonic
            
  Protected Overrides Sub OnPaint(ByVal e As _
            System.Windows.Forms.PaintEventArgs)
      MyBase.OnPaint(e)
      DrawControl(e.Graphics)
  End Sub

  Friend Sub DrawControl(ByVal g As Graphics)
      If Not Visible Then
          Return
      End If
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      Dim TabControlArea As Rectangle = Me.ClientRectangle
      Dim TabArea As Rectangle = Me.DisplayRectangle
      TabArea.Y = TabArea.Y + 1
      TabArea.Width = TabArea.Width + 1
      Dim nDelta As Integer = SystemInformation.Border3DSize.Width
      TabArea.Inflate(nDelta, nDelta)
      render.DrawBackground(g, TabArea)
        
      Dim i As Integer = 0
      While i < Me.TabCount
          DrawTab(g, Me.TabPages(i), i)
          i += 1
      End While
        
  End Sub
            
  Friend Sub DrawTab(ByVal g As Graphics, ByVal tabPage _
             As TabPage, ByVal nIndex As Integer)
      Dim recBounds As Rectangle = Me.GetTabRect(nIndex)
        
      Dim tabTextArea As RectangleF = _
          CType(Me.GetTabRect(nIndex), RectangleF)
      Dim bSelected As Boolean = (Me.SelectedIndex = nIndex)
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
      If bSelected Then
          recBounds.Height = recBounds.Height + 10
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      Else
          recBounds.Y = recBounds.Y + 1
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Normal)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      End If
      If (tabPage.ImageIndex >= 0) AndAlso _
                  (Not (ImageList Is Nothing)) _
                  AndAlso (Not (ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex) _
                  Is Nothing)) Then
          Dim nLeftMargin As Integer = 8
          Dim nRightMargin As Integer = 2
          Dim img As Image = ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex)
          Dim rimage As Rectangle = New Rectangle(recBounds.X + _
                     nLeftMargin, recBounds.Y + 1, img.Width, img.Height)
          Dim nAdj As Single = CType((nLeftMargin + _
                      img.Width + nRightMargin), Single)
          rimage.Y += (recBounds.Height - img.Height) / 2
          tabTextArea.X += nAdj
          tabTextArea.Width -= nAdj
          g.DrawImage(img, rimage)
      End If

      Dim stringFormat As StringFormat = New StringFormat
      stringFormat.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
      stringFormat.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
      If FlagControl Then
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Show
      Else
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Hide
      End If
      Dim br As Brush
      br = New SolidBrush(tabPage.ForeColor)
      g.DrawString(tabPage.Text, Font, br, tabTextArea, stringFormat)
  End Sub

  'add a reference to the TabControl into the new project and drag the
  TabControl to your form.


  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov



From nd500_lo at charter.net  Tue Apr 25 20:19:08 2006
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:19:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: <000b01c666d9$d0da1f50$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <000001c668cf$70ebd320$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will do
it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Apr 25 22:43:09 2006
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:13:09 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying
	Passwordargument	 for currently open db.
References: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt> <444E8048.5020109@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <006401c668e4$2dd9abb0$e11765cb@pcadt>

    My sincere thanks Marty!  I shall explore the feasibility of adapting it to current version.

A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 01:32
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Passwordargument for currently open db.


  For 97 this was easy
  http://www.trigeminal.com/code/DatabasePassword.bas


  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:

  >    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.
  >
  >    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
  >                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"
  >
  >    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?
  >
  >    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.
  >
  >TIA
  >A.D.Tejpal
  >---------------
  >  
  >

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  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada


From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Apr 26 06:18:38 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:18:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625670@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

You can do it by creating a DTS ActiveX script from SQL server.  Then
schedule the task from SQL server.  You have to use VB, not VBA.

Function PrintReport()
 Dim objDB
 Set objDB = CreateObject("Access.Application")
 objDB.OpenCurrentDatabase("C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office10\Samples\Northwind.mdb")
 objDB.DoCmd.OpenReport "prtOpenedProjects", 0
 objDB.CloseCurrentDatabase
 objDB.Quit
 PrintReport = DTSTaskExecResult_Success
End Function 


Karen S. Long
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EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will
do it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to
send a canned email)?

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Apr 26 08:29:10 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:29:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625673@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have added this as a custom control so that I can drag and drop it
like we do in Access.  I found a good site last week for all kinds of
goodies:
http://www.startvbdotnet.com/extras/user.aspx
Details how to add your own custom control to your library. 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Karen - I have created a new Windows form, added a tab control, pasted
the code inside the form's class.

I am getting sytax errors on the me. lines at the top. Should these be
sitting inside an event associated with the tab control?

And when you say to set a reference to the tab control. do you mean via
[Project], [Add Reference]?

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.UserPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.AllPaintingInWmPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.DoubleBuffer, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.ResizeRedraw, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.SupportsTransparentBackColor, True)
  Then, you need to override the OnPaint event and draw your own
control.
  The basic steps involved are:

  Protected Overrides Function ProcessMnemonic(ByVal charCode As Char)
As
  Boolean
      For Each p As TabPage In Me.TabPages
          If Control.IsMnemonic(charCode, p.Text) Then
              Me.SelectedTab = p
              Me.Focus()
              Return True
          End If
      Next p
      Return False
  End Function 'ProcessMnemonic
            
  Protected Overrides Sub OnPaint(ByVal e As _
            System.Windows.Forms.PaintEventArgs)
      MyBase.OnPaint(e)
      DrawControl(e.Graphics)
  End Sub

  Friend Sub DrawControl(ByVal g As Graphics)
      If Not Visible Then
          Return
      End If
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      Dim TabControlArea As Rectangle = Me.ClientRectangle
      Dim TabArea As Rectangle = Me.DisplayRectangle
      TabArea.Y = TabArea.Y + 1
      TabArea.Width = TabArea.Width + 1
      Dim nDelta As Integer = SystemInformation.Border3DSize.Width
      TabArea.Inflate(nDelta, nDelta)
      render.DrawBackground(g, TabArea)
        
      Dim i As Integer = 0
      While i < Me.TabCount
          DrawTab(g, Me.TabPages(i), i)
          i += 1
      End While
        
  End Sub
            
  Friend Sub DrawTab(ByVal g As Graphics, ByVal tabPage _
             As TabPage, ByVal nIndex As Integer)
      Dim recBounds As Rectangle = Me.GetTabRect(nIndex)
        
      Dim tabTextArea As RectangleF = _
          CType(Me.GetTabRect(nIndex), RectangleF)
      Dim bSelected As Boolean = (Me.SelectedIndex = nIndex)
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
      If bSelected Then
          recBounds.Height = recBounds.Height + 10
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      Else
          recBounds.Y = recBounds.Y + 1
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Normal)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      End If
      If (tabPage.ImageIndex >= 0) AndAlso _
                  (Not (ImageList Is Nothing)) _
                  AndAlso (Not (ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex) _
                  Is Nothing)) Then
          Dim nLeftMargin As Integer = 8
          Dim nRightMargin As Integer = 2
          Dim img As Image = ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex)
          Dim rimage As Rectangle = New Rectangle(recBounds.X + _
                     nLeftMargin, recBounds.Y + 1, img.Width,
img.Height)
          Dim nAdj As Single = CType((nLeftMargin + _
                      img.Width + nRightMargin), Single)
          rimage.Y += (recBounds.Height - img.Height) / 2
          tabTextArea.X += nAdj
          tabTextArea.Width -= nAdj
          g.DrawImage(img, rimage)
      End If

      Dim stringFormat As StringFormat = New StringFormat
      stringFormat.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
      stringFormat.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
      If FlagControl Then
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Show
      Else
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Hide
      End If
      Dim br As Brush
      br = New SolidBrush(tabPage.ForeColor)
      g.DrawString(tabPage.Text, Font, br, tabTextArea, stringFormat)
  End Sub

  'add a reference to the TabControl into the new project and drag the
  TabControl to your form.


  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Apr 26 08:56:02 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:56:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625677@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Here is another good site, one that has a way to create custom rectangle
boxes on tab controls:
http://www.vb-helper.com/howto_net_ownerdraw_tab.html 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Karen - I have created a new Windows form, added a tab control, pasted
the code inside the form's class.

I am getting sytax errors on the me. lines at the top. Should these be
sitting inside an event associated with the tab control?

And when you say to set a reference to the tab control. do you mean via
[Project], [Add Reference]?

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.UserPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.AllPaintingInWmPaint, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.DoubleBuffer, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.ResizeRedraw, True)
  Me.SetStyle(ControlStyles.SupportsTransparentBackColor, True)
  Then, you need to override the OnPaint event and draw your own
control.
  The basic steps involved are:

  Protected Overrides Function ProcessMnemonic(ByVal charCode As Char)
As
  Boolean
      For Each p As TabPage In Me.TabPages
          If Control.IsMnemonic(charCode, p.Text) Then
              Me.SelectedTab = p
              Me.Focus()
              Return True
          End If
      Next p
      Return False
  End Function 'ProcessMnemonic
            
  Protected Overrides Sub OnPaint(ByVal e As _
            System.Windows.Forms.PaintEventArgs)
      MyBase.OnPaint(e)
      DrawControl(e.Graphics)
  End Sub

  Friend Sub DrawControl(ByVal g As Graphics)
      If Not Visible Then
          Return
      End If
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      Dim TabControlArea As Rectangle = Me.ClientRectangle
      Dim TabArea As Rectangle = Me.DisplayRectangle
      TabArea.Y = TabArea.Y + 1
      TabArea.Width = TabArea.Width + 1
      Dim nDelta As Integer = SystemInformation.Border3DSize.Width
      TabArea.Inflate(nDelta, nDelta)
      render.DrawBackground(g, TabArea)
        
      Dim i As Integer = 0
      While i < Me.TabCount
          DrawTab(g, Me.TabPages(i), i)
          i += 1
      End While
        
  End Sub
            
  Friend Sub DrawTab(ByVal g As Graphics, ByVal tabPage _
             As TabPage, ByVal nIndex As Integer)
      Dim recBounds As Rectangle = Me.GetTabRect(nIndex)
        
      Dim tabTextArea As RectangleF = _
          CType(Me.GetTabRect(nIndex), RectangleF)
      Dim bSelected As Boolean = (Me.SelectedIndex = nIndex)
      Dim render As New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.Pane.Normal)
      render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
      If bSelected Then
          recBounds.Height = recBounds.Height + 10
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Pressed)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      Else
          recBounds.Y = recBounds.Y + 1
          render = New
  VisualStyleRenderer(VisualStyleElement.Tab.TabItem.Normal)
          render.DrawBackground(g, recBounds)
          render.DrawEdge(g, recBounds, Edges.Diagonal, _
                 EdgeStyle.Sunken, EdgeEffects.Flat)
      End If
      If (tabPage.ImageIndex >= 0) AndAlso _
                  (Not (ImageList Is Nothing)) _
                  AndAlso (Not (ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex) _
                  Is Nothing)) Then
          Dim nLeftMargin As Integer = 8
          Dim nRightMargin As Integer = 2
          Dim img As Image = ImageList.Images(tabPage.ImageIndex)
          Dim rimage As Rectangle = New Rectangle(recBounds.X + _
                     nLeftMargin, recBounds.Y + 1, img.Width,
img.Height)
          Dim nAdj As Single = CType((nLeftMargin + _
                      img.Width + nRightMargin), Single)
          rimage.Y += (recBounds.Height - img.Height) / 2
          tabTextArea.X += nAdj
          tabTextArea.Width -= nAdj
          g.DrawImage(img, rimage)
      End If

      Dim stringFormat As StringFormat = New StringFormat
      stringFormat.Alignment = StringAlignment.Center
      stringFormat.LineAlignment = StringAlignment.Center
      If FlagControl Then
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Show
      Else
          stringFormat.HotkeyPrefix = Drawing.Text.HotkeyPrefix.Hide
      End If
      Dim br As Brush
      br = New SolidBrush(tabPage.ForeColor)
      g.DrawString(tabPage.Text, Font, br, tabTextArea, stringFormat)
  End Sub

  'add a reference to the TabControl into the new project and drag the
  TabControl to your form.


  Karen S. Long
  Programmer Analyst
  EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
  Pittsburgh, PA
  Phone: 412-386-6649
  Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov

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From max at sherman.org.uk  Wed Apr 26 10:19:58 2006
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Home)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:19:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWZt4UlhGRNs4nf35oT6aTEwiMA
Message-ID: <000001c66944$e2757940$746b1152@Max>

Hi All,

I am using Office3k.

I can set up a scheduled event
(Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Scheduled Tasks)

I can set it to open Outlook or Access or anything at the set dates/times,
etc.

When I open Access with the Scheduler it runs the Autoexec macro just fine
and in there I can tell it what to do.

When I try to do the same in Outlook it fails to run the
Application_Startup() function.

The following applies:
1. Macro security is set to low.
2. There is nothing disabled in "Help About Microsoft Office/Disabled Items"
3. The function works fine if manually invoked (Run button or F5).
4. It just won't run when the application loads (even using the exact
example from Outlook help)

Any ideas?  I suppose I could create an Outlook object and see if that
works, but I would like to run Outlook directly from the Scheduler in the
same way that I can run Access.

Regards

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Long, Karen S.
(CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: 26 April 2006 12:19
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

You can do it by creating a DTS ActiveX script from SQL server.  Then
schedule the task from SQL server.  You have to use VB, not VBA.

Function PrintReport()
 Dim objDB
 Set objDB = CreateObject("Access.Application")
 objDB.OpenCurrentDatabase("C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office10\Samples\Northwind.mdb")
 objDB.DoCmd.OpenReport "prtOpenedProjects", 0
 objDB.CloseCurrentDatabase
 objDB.Quit
 PrintReport = DTSTaskExecResult_Success
End Function 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will
do it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to
send a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr 26 10:34:09 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:34:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5C2D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

We looked at the third party tools because we were porting over an app
based on an Access predecessor.  ActiveReports has a wizard that helps
convert an Access report to .Net and in other ways is fairly similar to
the Access report generator.  Since we have perhaps 150 reports and
subreports to convert, that weighed heavily in the decision to go with
ActiveReports.

The Infragistics and other controls are built on the vanilla tools
offered in .Net but have been customized to allow easier access to the
methods and properties we want to control.  They give us the basic
functionality plus exposing properties through an interface that would
have to be handled in code in the native objects.  It has nothing to do
with .Net being buggy ... All software is buggy, after all.
ActiveReports does have a chart tool, but we decided to use ComponentOne
after a lot of comparisons and playing with them and pushing their
limits.  I haven't worked with either the ActiveReports or ComponentOne
chart tools, so I can't tell you much about them except that one of our
guys has produced some very slick graphics with them. 


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

Charlotte - I am surprised by how *many* 3rd party tools you use - why
do you use them for things like tabs, combos, date/time controls, text
boxes? And is that something you would revisit with the new .net or have
you gone that way because the new .net is buggy or ??? Are there some
that you would particularly recommend?

I will have a look at ActiveReports as one of my requirements for this
system is for charts.

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind
of
  app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
  because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things
that
  aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
  languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
  the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
  specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.
We
  use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
  tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
  grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
  ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers)
rather
  than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
  tools. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Charlotte,

  Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
  product like Infragistics is not used?

  Dan 
   


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
  Foust
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
  MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the
Access
  version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined
with
  panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
  VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.
Only
  Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Hi Charlotte,

  I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this
be
  called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
  wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?

  Thanks!
  Dan 
   


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
  Foust
  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
  days, so I'm out of date. 


  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net

  Tabs on the left with horizontal text


  Kath



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net


  > Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the
  > side, or did you mean vertical text?
  >
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
  Pelletti
  > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
  > To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
  > Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
  >
  > (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
  >
  > I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the
  > text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View],
  > [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
  then
  > they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
  >
  > Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
  way?
  > I can't find it....
  >
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr 26 11:23:29 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:23:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12625.1146065673.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF0267CA42.4DEA8FCE-ON8525715C.0059E916-8525715C.005A1084@is002023.gdls.com>

Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256





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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 26 11:44:14 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:44:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question
Message-ID: <s44fbf96.076@cactus.dk>

Hi Tom

Recently I joined a presentation on WinFX Windows Workflow Foundation:

http://www.windowsworkflow.net 

Quite impressive and perhaps overkill for your need, but lots of papers and info at this site.

/gustav

>>> ewaldt at gdls.com 26-04-2006 18:23:29 >>>
Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
FCS Database Manager
General Dynamics Land Systems
(586) 276-1256




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 26 11:51:33 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:51:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5BD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00f301c668c8$9f710550$6601a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <444FA515.1030805@shaw.ca>

I have used TeeChart for Access Charts, they have a similar control for 
.Net.
 
TeeChart for .NET v1 Lite and Pro versions
http://www.steema.com/products/teechart/whatsnew.html



Kath Pelletti wrote:

>Charlotte - I am surprised by how *many* 3rd party tools you use - why do you use them for things like tabs, combos, date/time controls, text boxes? And is that something you would revisit with the new .net or have you gone that way because the new .net is buggy or ??? Are there some that you would particularly recommend?
>
>I will have a look at ActiveReports as one of my requirements for this system is for charts.
>
>Kath
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Charlotte Foust 
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:54 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  VS uses Windows forms (Win Forms) or Web Forms, depending on the kind of
>  app you're building.  Most development shops use 3rd party controls
>  because the granularity is greater and you can make them do things that
>  aren't possible with the built in tools.  VB, C#, and the other
>  languages that are part of VS all use the same forms, whether they're
>  the built in ones or 3rd party.  You can also mix and match using just
>  specific 3rd party tools with the built in tools to meet your needs.  We
>  use a lot of the built in controls, like panels, but we use 3rd party
>  tab controls, combobboxes, textboxes, date/time controls, calendars,
>  grids, and some others that escape me at the  moment.  We also use
>  ActiveReports (which is very comfortable for Access programmers) rather
>  than the built in Crystal reports and we use ComponentOne graphing
>  tools. 
>
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM
>  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>  Charlotte,
>
>  Does VB have forms?  Or is MS Forms used by default if a 3rd party
>  product like Infragistics is not used?
>
>  Dan 
>   
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
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>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>  Foust
>  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:42 AM
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  We use 3rd party controls from Infragistics, so I'm not sure about the
>  MS forms tab control, but I'd say they should work much like the Access
>  version except they're far more powerful, especially when combined with
>  panels and other forms tools.   VB.Net is VB 2005/VB 8.  Technically,
>  VB.Net was the version in  VS 2003/VB 7, but don't worry about it.  Only
>  Microsoft pays attention to the exact name. ;o>
>
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:35 AM
>  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>  Hi Charlotte,
>
>  I was wondering about a tab control in VB.net as well (or should this be
>  called VB 2005?)  I depend greatly on these for my Access apps, and
>  wonder if the VB tab control works in a similar way as those?
>
>  Thanks!
>  Dan 
>   
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
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>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>  Foust
>  Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:51 AM
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  Did you ever get an answer to this?  I was on vacation for 7 working
>  days, so I'm out of date. 
>
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:19 PM
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>  Tabs on the left with horizontal text
>
>
>  Kath
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:15 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>
>
>  > Text on labels is normally horizontal.  Do you have the tabs on the 
>  > side, or did you mean vertical text?
>  >
>  >
>  > Charlotte Foust
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>  Pelletti
>  > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:04 PM
>  > To: AccessD VB List; Access D Normal List
>  > Subject: [AccessD] Tab Control - vb.net
>  >
>  > (Cross posted to accessd normal and vb.net lists)
>  >
>  > I am trying to create a form in vb.net with a tab control, where the 
>  > text on the labels is shown horizontally. If you look at [View], 
>  > [Property Pages] in vb.net to see the properties of the vb.net app
>  then
>  > they display a tab control exactly like what I need......
>  >
>  > Does anyone know which properties I set to get the text to go that
>  way?
>  > I can't find it....
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Apr 26 12:51:40 2006
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:51:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156ABE@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 26 13:13:11 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:13:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <s44fd473.078@cactus.dk>

Hi Joe

We use this generic function to look up values in a range:

Function RLookup(ByVal rngLookup As Range, _
                 ByVal strField As String, _
                 Optional intSearchOrder As Integer = xlByRows, _
                 Optional intOffset As Integer = 1) As Variant

' Looks up a value in the named range rngLookup from the cell,
' offset intOffset rows below or columns right from the found cell.
'
' 2000-07-30.
' Cactus Data ApS, Gustav Brock

' Default intSearchOrder is xlByRows, as named ranges built this way
' are easily attached by Access.
  
  Dim rng       As Range
  Dim intRow    As Integer
  Dim intColumn As Integer
  
  ' No special errorhandling.
  On Error Resume Next

  If intSearchOrder = xlByRows Then
    ' Search by rows.
    ' Read from found row, offset intOffset rows, and found column.
  Else
    ' Search by columns.
    ' Read from found row and found column, offset intOffset columns.
    intSearchOrder = xlByColumns
  End If
  
  With rngLookup
    ' Start search from upper left cell in range by starting in lower right cell.
    ' Search case sensitive for whole words in values only.
    Set rng = .Find(strField, .Cells(.Rows.Count, .Columns.Count), xlValues, xlWhole, intSearchOrder, , True)
  End With
  If Not rng Is Nothing Then
    ' Searched value found.
    ' Lookup value to retrieve.
    With rng
      intRow = .Row - (intOffset * (intSearchOrder = xlByRows))
      intColumn = .Column - (intOffset * (intSearchOrder = xlByColumns))
      ' Return value, offset intOffset rows or columns from cell with found value.
      RLookup = .Worksheet.Cells(intRow, intColumn).Value
    End With
    Set rng = Nothing
  End If

End Function

You may be able to modify (simplify) it for your need.

/gustav

>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 26-04-2006 19:51:40 >>>
Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com 




From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr 26 13:16:24 2006
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1146070807.23640.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF13962796.F07B6FE5-ON8525715C.0064250F-8525715C.006466AA@is002023.gdls.com>

Gustav, thanks, but I'm looking for something specific to Access, or at
least an RDBMS. I looked through this and it looks like it's a separate
app. Am I misunderstanding it?

Thanks,

Tom

------------------------------------

Hi Tom

Recently I joined a presentation on WinFX Windows Workflow Foundation:

http://www.windowsworkflow.net

Quite impressive and perhaps overkill for your need, but lots of papers and
info at this site.

/gustav

>>> ewaldt at gdls.com 26-04-2006 18:23:29 >>>
Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Apr 26 13:26:02 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:26:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4303625680@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

=IF(ISNA(VLOOKUP(E2,$A$2:$C$5,3,FALSE)),0,VLOOKUP(E2,$A$2:$C$5,3,FALSE))
would return 0  

I use this site for referencing formulas, etc.
http://www.techonthenet.com/excel/formulas/vlookup.php

The main menu is:
http://www.techonthenet.com/excel/formulas/index.php 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP

Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com
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From Steven.Peterson at qwest.com  Wed Apr 26 13:28:54 2006
From: Steven.Peterson at qwest.com (Peterson, Steve)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:28:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <5E6C0F4B8C8601448942896366748A5434E150@ITDENE2KM03.AD.QINTRA.COM>

Joe,

You can use the ISNA() function:

=If(ISNA(<your vlookup function>),0,<your vlookup function>)

HTH,
Steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP

Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Apr 26 13:35:50 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:35:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBD4@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I usually use iserror() which is more comprehensive than ISNA()
ex
=IF(ISERROR(VLOOKUP($A6,5,FALSE)),0,VLOOKUP($A6,5,FALSE))
Jim Hale

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From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP


Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 26 13:37:42 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:37:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking Question
Message-ID: <s44fda1e.079@cactus.dk>

Hi Tom

No, you are right. But it could give you some ideas how to build your own Access system.
I haven't heard of a general tool for Access, most are custom built.
If you search our list for "state machine" and "workflow" you may find some old threads.

/gustav

>>> ewaldt at gdls.com 26-04-2006 20:16:24 >>>
Gustav, thanks, but I'm looking for something specific to Access, or at
least an RDBMS. I looked through this and it looks like it's a separate
app. Am I misunderstanding it?

Thanks,

Tom

------------------------------------

Hi Tom

Recently I joined a presentation on WinFX Windows Workflow Foundation:

http://www.windowsworkflow.net 

Quite impressive and perhaps overkill for your need, but lots of papers and
info at this site.

/gustav

>>> ewaldt at gdls.com 26-04-2006 18:23:29 >>>
Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 26 14:35:43 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:35:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question
In-Reply-To: <18326655.1146068893356.JavaMail.root@sniper22>
Message-ID: <000401c66968$9ca51e60$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Tom,

I do this with many of my applications.  

For example, the first thing that may happen in a record is that descriptive
information is entered, so I call that a Description Stage.  The Stage is a
field in the table, which has a corresponding textbox or label (in large
bold text) on the form.  This tells the user (and the database code) where
the record is in its workflow path.  The stage is not changed by people, but
only in code.  To change the code, all the activities within a stage must be
completed - when they are the database recognizes that and changes the Stage
to whatever is next.  Form controls in previous stages are locked so no more
changes can be made when someone is making a decision based on information
in a previous stage.

For you, when the last person has approved or disapproved, this can cause
the Stage to move to what's next.

By the way, keep a StageSort integer field up to date with the Stage field
so you can sort reports by Stage, because the Stage names won't be in
alphabetical order.

Hope this helps!
Dan 
 


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Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question


Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 26 14:59:16 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:59:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying	Passwordargument
 for currently open db.
References: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt> <444E8048.5020109@shaw.ca>
	<006401c668e4$2dd9abb0$e11765cb@pcadt>
Message-ID: <444FD114.6070408@shaw.ca>

I knew I had it somewhere from a couple of years ago, this works for 
Access 2000-2003
They use an XOR on the file creation datestamp, now this method may not work
in some situations like an mde or an encrypted file, I haven't checked.

Now everyone should know this method of security is easily circumvented.
so I am posting it here. Variations of this code are available on the web.

Dim NullDate As Date
Private Declare Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias 
"GetTempPathA" (ByVal nBufferLength As Long, _
ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long
Private Declare Function GetTempFileName Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias 
"GetTempFileNameA" (ByVal lpszPath As String, _
ByVal lpPrefixString As String, ByVal wUnique As Long, ByVal 
lpTempFileName As String) As Long

Private Type FILETIME
dwLowDateTime As Long
dwHighDateTime As Long
End Type

Private Type BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION
dwFileAttributes As Long
ftCreationTime As FILETIME
ftLastAccessTime As FILETIME
ftLastWriteTime As FILETIME
dwVolumeSerialNumber As Long
nFileSizeHigh As Long
nFileSizeLow As Long
nNumberOfLinks As Long
nFileIndexHigh As Long
nFileIndexLow As Long
End Type

Private Type SYSTEMTIME
wYear As Integer
wMonth As Integer
wDayOfWeek As Integer
wDay As Integer
wHour As Integer
wMinute As Integer
wSecond As Integer
wMilliseconds As Integer
End Type

Private Const OFS_MAXPATHNAME = 128
Private Const OF_READ = &H0

Private Type OFSTRUCT
cBytes As Byte
fFixedDisk As Byte
nErrCode As Integer
Reserved1 As Integer
Reserved2 As Integer
szPathName(OFS_MAXPATHNAME) As Byte
End Type

Private Declare Function GetFileInformationByHandle Lib "kernel32" 
(ByVal hfile As Long, lpFileInformation As _
BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION) As Long
Private Declare Function FileTimeToSystemTime Lib "kernel32" (lpFileTime 
As FILETIME, lpSystemTime As _
SYSTEMTIME) As Long
Private Declare Function FileTimeToLocalFileTime Lib "kernel32" 
(lpFileTime As FILETIME, lpLocalFileTime As _
FILETIME) As Long
Private Declare Function OpenFile Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpFileName As 
String, lpReOpenBuff As OFSTRUCT, _
ByVal wStyle As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As 
Long) As Long


Public Function GetFileDate(File As String) As Date
Dim fhi As BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION
Dim ctime As FILETIME, atime As FILETIME, wtime As FILETIME
Dim ftime As SYSTEMTIME
Dim buff As OFSTRUCT
Dim rval As Long, hfile As Long
hfile = OpenFile(File, buff, OF_READ)
If hfile = -1 Then
GetFileDate = NullDate
Else
GetFileInformationByHandle hfile, fhi
ctime = fhi.ftCreationTime
'Convert File Time Zone to Local
rval = FileTimeToLocalFileTime(ctime, ctime)
'Convert File Time Format to System Time Format
rval = FileTimeToSystemTime(ctime, ftime)
GetFileDate = ftime.wDay & "/" & ftime.wMonth & "/" & ftime.wYear & " " 
& ftime.wHour & ":" & ftime.wMinute & ":" & ftime.wSecond
End If
CloseHandle hfile
End Function

Public Function GuessAccess2000Password(ProtectedFile As String) As String
' The trick of this function is that Access 2000 codifies your password by
' making the XOR of it and a mask. I don't know the algorithm to get 
this mask
' but I do know that it only depends on the creation date of the database.
' So the proccess is: create a dummy database with the same date as the 
protected
' database, and then make the XOR of the encrypted bytes of the 
protected database
' and the password-less database we create in this process.
Dim n As Long, s1 As String * 1, s2 As String * 1
Dim Password As String
Dim x1 As Byte, x2 As Byte
Dim TempFile As String
Dim DateFile As Date, PreviousDate As Date
Dim Handle1 As Long, Handle2 As Long

' Get the creation date of the protected database
DateFile = GetFileDate(ProtectedFile)
If DateFile = NullDate Then
GuessAccess2000Password = "Can't open database file. Maybe you have it 
open in exclusive mode"
Exit Function
End If
' Create a temporary file in the Temp directory of windows
TempFile = TempPath & "temp.mdb"
' Remove the temporary file if it exists
If Dir(TempFile) <> "" Then
Kill TempFile
End If

' Keep the system date, then set it to the same date as the protected 
database
PreviousDate = Date
Date = DateFile
' Create the database, which will have so the same date as the protected 
database
CreateDatabase TempFile, dbLangGeneral

' We can restore now the real date
Date = PreviousDate

Handle1 = FreeFile
Open TempFile For Binary As #Handle1
Handle2 = FreeFile
Open ProtectedFile For Binary As #Handle2
Password = ""
Seek #Handle1, &H43
Seek #Handle2, &H43
' The maximum length of the password is 20 characters
For n = 0 To 19
x1 = Asc(Input(1, Handle1))
x2 = Asc(Input(1, Handle2))
If x1 <> x2 Then
Password = Password & Chr(x1 Xor x2)
End If
' We skip the even positions, because the password is stored using
' two bytes per character
x1 = Asc(Input(1, Handle1))
x2 = Asc(Input(1, Handle2))
Next
Close 1
Close 2
Kill TempFile
GuessAccess2000Password = Password
End Function

Private Function TempPath() As String
' Generate a temporary file path to ?????.TMP, where (path)
' is Windows's temporary file directory and ???? is a randomly assigned 
unique value.
' Then display the name of the created file on the screen.
Dim Path As String ' receives name of temporary file path
Dim TempFile As String ' receives name of temporary file
Dim slength As Long ' receives length of string returned for the path
Dim lastfour As Long ' receives hex value of the randomly assigned ????
' Get Windows's temporary file path
Path = Space(255) ' initialize the buffer to receive the path
slength = GetTempPath(255, Path) ' read the path name
TempPath = Left(Path, slength) ' extract data from the variable
End Function

Sub testit()
' NOte 1: Put a reference to Microsoft DAO 3.6
' Note 2: You cannot have the database opened in exclusive mode while 
you execute this procedure
Debug.Print GuessAccess2000Password("C:\Access files\Security\Access 
2003 Security Macro\Macro security for runtime.mdb")
End Sub



A.D.TEJPAL wrote:

>    My sincere thanks Marty!  I shall explore the feasibility of adapting it to current version.
>
>A.D.Tejpal
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>
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>  From: MartyConnelly 
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 01:32
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Passwordargument for currently open db.
>
>
>  For 97 this was easy
>  http://www.trigeminal.com/code/DatabasePassword.bas
>
>
>  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:
>
>  >    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.
>  >
>  >    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
>  >                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"
>  >
>  >    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?
>  >
>  >    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.
>  >
>  >TIA
>  >A.D.Tejpal
>  >---------------
>  >  
>  >
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Apr 26 15:45:34 2006
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:45:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156AC0@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Thanks to everyone for the quick responses!

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com


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S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR)
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP

=IF(ISNA(VLOOKUP(E2,$A$2:$C$5,3,FALSE)),0,VLOOKUP(E2,$A$2:$C$5,3,FALSE))
would return 0  

I use this site for referencing formulas, etc.
http://www.techonthenet.com/excel/formulas/vlookup.php

The main menu is:
http://www.techonthenet.com/excel/formulas/index.php 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Function - VLOOKUP

Hi All,

I have an Excel question.

The VLOOKUP function returns "#N/A" if it cannot find a matching value.
I was trying to wrap the VLOOKUP function in an IF statement to test if
it returns #N/A so I could output a zero instead of #N/A.

Does anyone know exactly what value to test for? I tried "#N/A", '#N/A',
#N/A, and FALSE but none these worked.

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 26 15:48:42 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:48:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tracking question
In-Reply-To: <OF0267CA42.4DEA8FCE-ON8525715C.0059E916-8525715C.005A1084@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <mailman.12625.1146065673.6799.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4450694A.1422.377CB862@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 26 Apr 2006 at 12:23, ewaldt at gdls.com wrote:

> Is there a favored way of tracking progress in changes? I'm speaking of a
> database where records go through an approval/disapproval process at many
> levels, so it needs to be kept track of. I'm looking for suggestions.
> 

I generally use a status field and write date/time,username and existing 
status into a logfile every time the status changes.
-- 
Stuart




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Apr 26 21:26:27 2006
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:26:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Pulling values from a spreadsheet embedded in a word
	document
In-Reply-To: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF577156ABE@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <000001c669a1$fc79a700$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Folks,

Have any of you had experience in accessing values in a spreadsheet embedded
in a Word document via code from Access?  I have been asked if I could come
up with a method of scanning through a directory of documents, and pull
values from spreadsheets embedded in them.  I have done a little looking at
the Word object model and on the web but it doesn't seem intuitive, at least
to me.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks 

Doug



From darrend at nimble.com.au  Wed Apr 26 21:39:03 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:39:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
Message-ID: <20060427023903.NRAE847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software
So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1 Results etc
but the final column is the 
one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value
but this is the other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole
row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 26 21:49:42 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:49:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <3200575.1146105689332.JavaMail.root@sniper38>
Message-ID: <000501c669a5$3d4ec2d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each would
be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel - maybe
absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy once and
paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the row.

Dan 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1
Results etc but the final column is the 
one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is the
other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Wed Apr 26 23:36:44 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:36:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <000501c669a5$3d4ec2d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <20060427043644.OXWJ17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi Dan
If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
following...
   if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
 
But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from Cell A1 to
a19

That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a value in
a cell
Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value in that cell


Darren
------------------------------

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each would be
to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel - maybe absolute
references in the CF expression would allow you to copy once and paste into the
CF expression field for the other cells in the row.

Dan 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1
Results etc but the final column is the one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is the other
way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Apr 26 23:51:19 2006
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:21:19 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase -
	Supplying	Passwordargumentfor currently open db.
References: <011d01c6688c$3fa5d2e0$dc1565cb@pcadt> 
	<444E8048.5020109@shaw.ca><006401c668e4$2dd9abb0$e11765cb@pcadt> 
	<444FD114.6070408@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <010a01c669b6$53b19870$a51b65cb@pcadt>

Marty,

    Really amazing, the way you come up with such gems. Thanks again.

A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 01:29
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Passwordargumentfor currently open db.


  I knew I had it somewhere from a couple of years ago, this works for 
  Access 2000-2003
  They use an XOR on the file creation datestamp, now this method may not work in some situations like an mde or an encrypted file, I haven't checked.

  Now everyone should know this method of security is easily circumvented.
  so I am posting it here. Variations of this code are available on the web.

  Dim NullDate As Date
  Private Declare Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias 
  "GetTempPathA" (ByVal nBufferLength As Long, _
  ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long
  Private Declare Function GetTempFileName Lib "kernel32.dll" Alias 
  "GetTempFileNameA" (ByVal lpszPath As String, _
  ByVal lpPrefixString As String, ByVal wUnique As Long, ByVal 
  lpTempFileName As String) As Long

  Private Type FILETIME
  dwLowDateTime As Long
  dwHighDateTime As Long
  End Type

  Private Type BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION
  dwFileAttributes As Long
  ftCreationTime As FILETIME
  ftLastAccessTime As FILETIME
  ftLastWriteTime As FILETIME
  dwVolumeSerialNumber As Long
  nFileSizeHigh As Long
  nFileSizeLow As Long
  nNumberOfLinks As Long
  nFileIndexHigh As Long
  nFileIndexLow As Long
  End Type

  Private Type SYSTEMTIME
  wYear As Integer
  wMonth As Integer
  wDayOfWeek As Integer
  wDay As Integer
  wHour As Integer
  wMinute As Integer
  wSecond As Integer
  wMilliseconds As Integer
  End Type

  Private Const OFS_MAXPATHNAME = 128
  Private Const OF_READ = &H0

  Private Type OFSTRUCT
  cBytes As Byte
  fFixedDisk As Byte
  nErrCode As Integer
  Reserved1 As Integer
  Reserved2 As Integer
  szPathName(OFS_MAXPATHNAME) As Byte
  End Type

  Private Declare Function GetFileInformationByHandle Lib "kernel32" 
  (ByVal hfile As Long, lpFileInformation As _
  BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION) As Long
  Private Declare Function FileTimeToSystemTime Lib "kernel32" (lpFileTime 
  As FILETIME, lpSystemTime As _
  SYSTEMTIME) As Long
  Private Declare Function FileTimeToLocalFileTime Lib "kernel32" 
  (lpFileTime As FILETIME, lpLocalFileTime As _
  FILETIME) As Long
  Private Declare Function OpenFile Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpFileName As 
  String, lpReOpenBuff As OFSTRUCT, _
  ByVal wStyle As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As 
  Long) As Long


  Public Function GetFileDate(File As String) As Date
  Dim fhi As BY_HANDLE_FILE_INFORMATION
  Dim ctime As FILETIME, atime As FILETIME, wtime As FILETIME
  Dim ftime As SYSTEMTIME
  Dim buff As OFSTRUCT
  Dim rval As Long, hfile As Long
  hfile = OpenFile(File, buff, OF_READ)
  If hfile = -1 Then
  GetFileDate = NullDate
  Else
  GetFileInformationByHandle hfile, fhi
  ctime = fhi.ftCreationTime
  'Convert File Time Zone to Local
  rval = FileTimeToLocalFileTime(ctime, ctime)
  'Convert File Time Format to System Time Format
  rval = FileTimeToSystemTime(ctime, ftime)
  GetFileDate = ftime.wDay & "/" & ftime.wMonth & "/" & ftime.wYear & " " 
  & ftime.wHour & ":" & ftime.wMinute & ":" & ftime.wSecond
  End If
  CloseHandle hfile
  End Function

  Public Function GuessAccess2000Password(ProtectedFile As String) As String
  ' The trick of this function is that Access 2000 codifies your password by
  ' making the XOR of it and a mask. I don't know the algorithm to get 
  this mask
  ' but I do know that it only depends on the creation date of the database.
  ' So the proccess is: create a dummy database with the same date as the 
  protected
  ' database, and then make the XOR of the encrypted bytes of the 
  protected database
  ' and the password-less database we create in this process.
  Dim n As Long, s1 As String * 1, s2 As String * 1
  Dim Password As String
  Dim x1 As Byte, x2 As Byte
  Dim TempFile As String
  Dim DateFile As Date, PreviousDate As Date
  Dim Handle1 As Long, Handle2 As Long

  ' Get the creation date of the protected database
  DateFile = GetFileDate(ProtectedFile)
  If DateFile = NullDate Then
  GuessAccess2000Password = "Can't open database file. Maybe you have it 
  open in exclusive mode"
  Exit Function
  End If
  ' Create a temporary file in the Temp directory of windows
  TempFile = TempPath & "temp.mdb"
  ' Remove the temporary file if it exists
  If Dir(TempFile) <> "" Then
  Kill TempFile
  End If

  ' Keep the system date, then set it to the same date as the protected 
  database
  PreviousDate = Date
  Date = DateFile
  ' Create the database, which will have so the same date as the protected 
  database
  CreateDatabase TempFile, dbLangGeneral

  ' We can restore now the real date
  Date = PreviousDate

  Handle1 = FreeFile
  Open TempFile For Binary As #Handle1
  Handle2 = FreeFile
  Open ProtectedFile For Binary As #Handle2
  Password = ""
  Seek #Handle1, &H43
  Seek #Handle2, &H43
  ' The maximum length of the password is 20 characters
  For n = 0 To 19
  x1 = Asc(Input(1, Handle1))
  x2 = Asc(Input(1, Handle2))
  If x1 <> x2 Then
  Password = Password & Chr(x1 Xor x2)
  End If
  ' We skip the even positions, because the password is stored using
  ' two bytes per character
  x1 = Asc(Input(1, Handle1))
  x2 = Asc(Input(1, Handle2))
  Next
  Close 1
  Close 2
  Kill TempFile
  GuessAccess2000Password = Password
  End Function

  Private Function TempPath() As String
  ' Generate a temporary file path to ?????.TMP, where (path)
  ' is Windows's temporary file directory and ???? is a randomly assigned 
  unique value.
  ' Then display the name of the created file on the screen.
  Dim Path As String ' receives name of temporary file path
  Dim TempFile As String ' receives name of temporary file
  Dim slength As Long ' receives length of string returned for the path
  Dim lastfour As Long ' receives hex value of the randomly assigned ????
  ' Get Windows's temporary file path
  Path = Space(255) ' initialize the buffer to receive the path
  slength = GetTempPath(255, Path) ' read the path name
  TempPath = Left(Path, slength) ' extract data from the variable
  End Function

  Sub testit()
  ' NOte 1: Put a reference to Microsoft DAO 3.6
  ' Note 2: You cannot have the database opened in exclusive mode while 
  you execute this procedure
  Debug.Print GuessAccess2000Password("C:\Access files\Security\Access 
  2003 Security Macro\Macro security for runtime.mdb")
  End Sub



  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:

  >    My sincere thanks Marty!  I shall explore the feasibility of adapting it to current version.
  >
  >A.D.Tejpal
  >---------------
  >
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: MartyConnelly 
  >  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  >  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 01:32
  >  Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBEngine.CompactDatabase - Supplying Passwordargument for currently open db.
  >
  >
  >  For 97 this was easy
  >  http://www.trigeminal.com/code/DatabasePassword.bas
  >
  >
  >  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:
  >
  >  >    For making a back-up copy of currently open FE and then compacting this back-up copy, using  DBEngine.CompactDatabase method, database password if existing, has to be passed as the last argument, e.g.
  >  >
  >  >    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "SourceFilePath", _
  >  >                "DestinationFilePath", , , ";pwd=xyz"
  >  >
  >  >    Could there be a way to get the password for currently open db,  without prompting the user for it ?
  >  >
  >  >    Note - Application.CompactRepair method seems ruled out as it does not have any password argument in its syntax and instead prompts the user for it.
  >  >
  >  >TIA
  >  >A.D.Tejpal
  >  >---------------

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 27 01:23:53 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:23:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <20060427043644.OXWJ17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
References: <000501c669a5$3d4ec2d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4450F019.17175.BB47EC8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 27 Apr 2006 at 14:36, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Dan
> If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
> following...
>    if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
> 
> But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from
> Cell A1 to a19
> 
> That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a
> value in a cell Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value
> in that cell
> 

To highlight all the cells in a row when column H contains the text "Passed":

Select cell A1.
Set your Conditional Format to:  Formula is  = $H1 = "Passed"
Copy the cell.
Select the range that you want the formatting to apply to.
Right Click, Paste Special - Formats






From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 27 09:34:58 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:34:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
	Command
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403556A79@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Paul,

Menu bar objects can take 1 parameter if that's what you need.  I pulled
this code from a demo of a class-based menu creation tool I wrote.
Hopefully this snip is enough to get you going.

Private m_cbrctlMenuItem As CommandBarControl 'module level variable

Public Function AddMenuItem(WhichMenu As CommandBarControl, ItemCaption
As String, _
                                DoOnClick As String, Optional NewGroup
As Boolean = False, _
                                Optional Parm As String) As Boolean
    Set m_cbrctlMenuItem =
WhichMenu.Controls.Add(Type:=msoControlButton)
    With m_cbrctlMenuItem
        .Caption = "your text here"
        .Style = msoButtonCaption
        .OnAction = DoOnClick
        .BeginGroup = NewGroup
        .Parameter = Parm
    End With
End Function 


Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:38 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
Command
Importance: High

To all,
I am using a couple of menu bars which call functions with no problem at
all, however I have a function which does everything I need for my new
menu bar with the exception of a couple of additional commands at the
end.  I tried making the function with a parameter ( function
CallMe(strType as String) ) and putting either a 1 or a 2 in the
parameter options, however it wont now run the function.  I would rather
not copy all the code again as this seems a bit of a waste to me.
So is there a way I can pass a parameter to a function from one of my
menu bar options.
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Apr 27 09:41:29 2006
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:41:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On
	Action	Command
Message-ID: <13458390.1146148889423.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102>

Jim,
Thanks for email, I managed to suss out something similar but will keep the code for future reference.
Thanks again.
Paul Hartland





Message Received: Apr 27 2006, 03:36 PM
From: "Jim DeMarco" 
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action Command

Paul,

Menu bar objects can take 1 parameter if that's what you need. I pulled
this code from a demo of a class-based menu creation tool I wrote.
Hopefully this snip is enough to get you going.

Private m_cbrctlMenuItem As CommandBarControl 'module level variable

Public Function AddMenuItem(WhichMenu As CommandBarControl, ItemCaption
As String, _
DoOnClick As String, Optional NewGroup
As Boolean = False, _
Optional Parm As String) As Boolean
Set m_cbrctlMenuItem =
WhichMenu.Controls.Add(Type:=msoControlButton)
With m_cbrctlMenuItem
.Caption = "your text here"
.Style = msoButtonCaption
.OnAction = DoOnClick
.BeginGroup = NewGroup
.Parameter = Parm
End With
End Function 


Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:38 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Parameter Function From Menu Bar On Action
Command
Importance: High

To all,
I am using a couple of menu bars which call functions with no problem at
all, however I have a function which does everything I need for my new
menu bar with the exception of a couple of additional commands at the
end. I tried making the function with a parameter ( function
CallMe(strType as String) ) and putting either a 1 or a 2 in the
parameter options, however it wont now run the function. I would rather
not copy all the code again as this seems a bit of a waste to me.
So is there a way I can pass a parameter to a function from one of my
menu bar options.
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
Paul Hartland
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Apr 27 10:23:00 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:23:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBD8@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Here is a different method to try. Place these sub routines as code behind
the sheet in question. Type the word "Passed" in a cell. (BTW the routines
are case sensitive) It doesn't matter which cell as long as there are at
least 5 more columns to the right. The first sub routine changes that cell
and the cells in the first five columns to the right to red when you exit
the cell. The A1:F1 reference is relative to the activecell. If the word
Passed is already in the cell the second sub will change the cell and the
cells in the first five columns to the right to red when you click on the
cell.    HTH

Jim Hale

Private Sub Worksheet_Change(ByVal Target As Range)
If Target.Value = "Passed" Then
    Target.Range("A1:F1").Font.ColorIndex = 3
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub Worksheet_SelectionChange(ByVal Target As Range)
On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
If ActiveCell.Value = "Passed" Then
    ActiveCell.Range("A1:F1").Font.ColorIndex = 3
              
End If
PROC_ERR:
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each would
be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel - maybe
absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy once and
paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the row.

Dan 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1
Results etc but the final column is the 
one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is the
other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Apr 27 10:43:09 2006
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:43:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBD9@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

PS these routines change the font color (not the cell background itself) so
there has to be something in the cells to the right to be able to see the
change. :-)
Jim Hale 

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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Here is a different method to try. Place these sub routines as code behind
the sheet in question. Type the word "Passed" in a cell. (BTW the routines
are case sensitive) It doesn't matter which cell as long as there are at
least 5 more columns to the right. The first sub routine changes that cell
and the cells in the first five columns to the right to red when you exit
the cell. The A1:F1 reference is relative to the activecell. If the word
Passed is already in the cell the second sub will change the cell and the
cells in the first five columns to the right to red when you click on the
cell.    HTH

Jim Hale

Private Sub Worksheet_Change(ByVal Target As Range)
If Target.Value = "Passed" Then
    Target.Range("A1:F1").Font.ColorIndex = 3
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub Worksheet_SelectionChange(ByVal Target As Range)
On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
If ActiveCell.Value = "Passed" Then
    ActiveCell.Range("A1:F1").Font.ColorIndex = 3
              
End If
PROC_ERR:
End Sub

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From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each would
be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel - maybe
absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy once and
paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the row.

Dan 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy, Test1
Results etc but the final column is the 
one that has final say on what is done.
If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be grey font, italic
font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply cond
formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is the
other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 27 13:07:57 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:07:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic subform loading
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67727DDBD9@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <4451087D.9090602@shaw.ca>

Thought this article and method might be of interest to those having 
performance problems
on multiple tabbed subforms with say ten tabs and 10's of thousands of 
records.
I remember a couple of people asking about it a few months back.

There aren't any subforms embedded on the tab-pages. There is one 
unbound subform
object floating around. Through code, it is dynamically resized, moved and
loaded with the correct subform, depending on which tab page is selected.

 www.databasejournal.com/features/msaccess/article.php/3599781 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 27 13:27:10 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:27:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic subform loading
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0C5C69@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I've done that before too, but I also put unbound subform controls on
individual tabs and then load them in the tabchange event if they aren't
already loaded.  I don't know which is faster because I've never tried
comparing the two approaches.  Has anyone?


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic subform loading

Thought this article and method might be of interest to those having
performance problems on multiple tabbed subforms with say ten tabs and
10's of thousands of records.
I remember a couple of people asking about it a few months back.

There aren't any subforms embedded on the tab-pages. There is one
unbound subform object floating around. Through code, it is dynamically
resized, moved and loaded with the correct subform, depending on which
tab page is selected.

 www.databasejournal.com/features/msaccess/article.php/3599781 

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Thu Apr 27 16:47:46 2006
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:47:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: <000001c668cf$70ebd320$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <005201c66a44$38dee550$0400a8c0@PC1>

Hi John,

It's not clear to me what the environment settings in your case are like but
you could ofcourse write your own piece of code in an MDB to schedule and
send the mail using Outlook MAPI and have an Access instance 24/7 running.
If coding like this is not an option and the macro already exists, I assume
the macro does the complete job and all you need is the scheduling part,
then why not use the Outlook object model in an Access mdb and again keep it
running 24/7 and have vba code execute the macro using the objectmodel.

Ofcourse if you have SQL server around Karen's way is better in my opinion
since running Acces 24/7 would not be my first choice though windows also
has a scheduler which you could probably use(!). In this case not only could
you work with an ActiveX but also it would be possible to write some code to
execute an Access mdb (including an autoexec ofcourse) which triggers the
macro or a simple VB application, in both cases making use of the Outlook
object model.

I have to be honest though, I haven't checked the Object model for this
answer as we speak so there is a possiblity that using the object model is
out of the question regarding an Outlook macro but I assume it can be done
this way.

Hope it keeps your fantasy going;)

Regards,
Eric Starkenburg

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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will do
it as fast as I can...

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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From jeff at boyes.net  Thu Apr 27 18:37:48 2006
From: jeff at boyes.net (Jeff Boyes)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:37:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <20060427043644.OXWJ17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAARz9g1rj01hGxrAAGJag5I8KAAAAQAAAAx2dzt9Ad+UuNTPJe35hwOAEAAAAA@boyes.net>

Darren,

You have to set each cell in the row to the same formula. (I have only
done this one cell at a time.) The formula would be the same in every
cell of the row: If Cell A20=passed, set the font to grey in THIS cell.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi Dan
If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
following...
   if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
 
But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from
Cell A1 to a19

That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a
value in a cell Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value
in that cell


Darren
------------------------------

 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each
would be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel -
maybe absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy
once and paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the
row.

Dan 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy,
Test1 Results etc but the final column is the one that has final say on
what is done. If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be
grey font, italic font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply
cond formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is
the other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Apr 27 19:45:27 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:45:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
Message-ID: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>

Dear List:

According to my web developer, the referral date in my affiliate program 
is being stored as "time measured in the number of seconds since the 
Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00 GMT). Most programing 
languages/scripting languages will have functions to parse it and turn 
it into human readable time."

Is there such a VBA function?

MTIA

Rocky

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Date Field
Date: 	Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: 	Sergey Kushch <skushch at parasitehosting.com>
To: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
References: 	<4450E5F3.8090100 at san.rr.com>



Rocky,

That is stored in a common computer way to storing time: the time measured
in the number of seconds since the Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00
GMT). Most programing languages/scripting languages will have functions to
parse it and turn it into human readable time. It is convenient to store
dates like that because it is really easy to do queries for date ranges or
sorting the values.

What do you use to create the reports?

- Sergey

> Sergey:
>
> In the table affiliate_traffic the date field appears to be encoded
> somehow.  How do I extract the date from that field?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>



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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 20:40:11 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:40:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>
References: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604271840i3f53d050p7f680b19e7188742@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rocky,

If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like

OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")

Dateadd is described here...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp

That is what I would probably do anyway.

GK

On 4/27/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> According to my web developer, the referral date in my affiliate program
> is being stored as "time measured in the number of seconds since the
> Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00 GMT). Most programing
> languages/scripting languages will have functions to parse it and turn
> it into human readable time."
>
> Is there such a VBA function?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:        Re: Date Field
> Date:   Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From:   Sergey Kushch <skushch at parasitehosting.com>
> To:     Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> References:     <4450E5F3.8090100 at san.rr.com>
>
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> That is stored in a common computer way to storing time: the time measured
> in the number of seconds since the Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00
> GMT). Most programing languages/scripting languages will have functions to
> parse it and turn it into human readable time. It is convenient to store
> dates like that because it is really easy to do queries for date ranges or
> sorting the values.
>
> What do you use to create the reports?
>
> - Sergey
>
> > Sergey:
> >
> > In the table affiliate_traffic the date field appears to be encoded
> > somehow.  How do I extract the date from that field?
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > --
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Apr 27 21:01:12 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:01:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950604271840i3f53d050p7f680b19e7188742@mail.gmail.com>
References: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>
	<aea6c4950604271840i3f53d050p7f680b19e7188742@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44517768.1040608@san.rr.com>

Gary:

Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1: 
Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date 
only so I can count the hits by date. 

Thank you.

Rocky


Gary Kjos wrote:
> Hi Rocky,
>
> If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
> point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
> field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
> the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
> or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
>
> OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
>
> Dateadd is described here...
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp
>
> That is what I would probably do anyway.
>
> GK
>
> On 4/27/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>   
>> Dear List:
>>
>> According to my web developer, the referral date in my affiliate program
>> is being stored as "time measured in the number of seconds since the
>> Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00 GMT). Most programing
>> languages/scripting languages will have functions to parse it and turn
>> it into human readable time."
>>
>> Is there such a VBA function?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject:        Re: Date Field
>> Date:   Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
>> From:   Sergey Kushch <skushch at parasitehosting.com>
>> To:     Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>> References:     <4450E5F3.8090100 at san.rr.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> That is stored in a common computer way to storing time: the time measured
>> in the number of seconds since the Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00
>> GMT). Most programing languages/scripting languages will have functions to
>> parse it and turn it into human readable time. It is convenient to store
>> dates like that because it is really easy to do queries for date ranges or
>> sorting the values.
>>
>> What do you use to create the reports?
>>
>> - Sergey
>>
>>     
>>> Sergey:
>>>
>>> In the table affiliate_traffic the date field appears to be encoded
>>> somehow.  How do I extract the date from that field?
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rocky Smolin
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> 858-259-4334
>>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>
>> --
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
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>>
>>     
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
>   

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 21:10:11 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:10:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <44517768.1040608@san.rr.com>
References: <445165A7.2010407@san.rr.com>
	<aea6c4950604271840i3f53d050p7f680b19e7188742@mail.gmail.com>
	<44517768.1040608@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604271910g2186fc6er6852e1faf51ef751@mail.gmail.com>

Woohoo!  Glad I could help.

GK


On 4/27/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Gary:
>
> Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1:
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date
> only so I can count the hits by date.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
> > Hi Rocky,
> >
> > If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
> > point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
> > field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
> > the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
> > or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
> >
> > OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
> >
> > Dateadd is described here...
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp
> >
> > That is what I would probably do anyway.
> >
> > GK
> >
> > On 4/27/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear List:
> >>
> >> According to my web developer, the referral date in my affiliate program
> >> is being stored as "time measured in the number of seconds since the
> >> Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00 GMT). Most programing
> >> languages/scripting languages will have functions to parse it and turn
> >> it into human readable time."
> >>
> >> Is there such a VBA function?
> >>
> >> MTIA
> >>
> >> Rocky
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject:        Re: Date Field
> >> Date:   Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From:   Sergey Kushch <skushch at parasitehosting.com>
> >> To:     Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >> References:     <4450E5F3.8090100 at san.rr.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rocky,
> >>
> >> That is stored in a common computer way to storing time: the time measured
> >> in the number of seconds since the Unix Epoch (January 1 1970 00:00:00
> >> GMT). Most programing languages/scripting languages will have functions to
> >> parse it and turn it into human readable time. It is convenient to store
> >> dates like that because it is really easy to do queries for date ranges or
> >> sorting the values.
> >>
> >> What do you use to create the reports?
> >>
> >> - Sergey
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sergey:
> >>>
> >>> In the table affiliate_traffic the date field appears to be encoded
> >>> somehow.  How do I extract the date from that field?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rocky
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Rocky Smolin
> >>> Beach Access Software
> >>> 858-259-4334
> >>> www.e-z-mrp.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rocky Smolin
> >> Beach Access Software
> >> 858-259-4334
> >> www.e-z-mrp.com
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gary Kjos
> > garykjos at gmail.com
> >
>
> --
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Apr 27 21:25:36 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:25:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: <005201c66a44$38dee550$0400a8c0@PC1>
Message-ID: <004801c66a6b$097a1b00$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>

I wrote the macro in Outlook.  Currently it just runs when selected but it
would be nice to set it in an outlook "appointment" such that when the
appointment fired it ran the macro.  Seems so logical.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Hi John,

It's not clear to me what the environment settings in your case are like but
you could ofcourse write your own piece of code in an MDB to schedule and
send the mail using Outlook MAPI and have an Access instance 24/7 running.
If coding like this is not an option and the macro already exists, I assume
the macro does the complete job and all you need is the scheduling part,
then why not use the Outlook object model in an Access mdb and again keep it
running 24/7 and have vba code execute the macro using the objectmodel.

Ofcourse if you have SQL server around Karen's way is better in my opinion
since running Acces 24/7 would not be my first choice though windows also
has a scheduler which you could probably use(!). In this case not only could
you work with an ActiveX but also it would be possible to write some code to
execute an Access mdb (including an autoexec ofcourse) which triggers the
macro or a simple VB application, in both cases making use of the Outlook
object model.

I have to be honest though, I haven't checked the Object model for this
answer as we speak so there is a possiblity that using the object model is
out of the question regarding an Outlook macro but I assume it can be done
this way.

Hope it keeps your fantasy going;)

Regards,
Eric Starkenburg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will do
it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Fri Apr 28 02:43:12 2006
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:43:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] play wav file
Message-ID: <004a01c66a9b$ae2c45d0$eec2f63f@JOHN>

Is there a way to play a wav file when a form is opened?

John 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 28 03:58:03 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:58:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
Message-ID: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Gary and Rocky

Just a note: If possible, you should use a date value and not its string representation with DateAdd() even though the example uses a string:

Format(DateAdd("s",[date],#1/1/1970#),"Short Date")

It doesn't make much of a difference here but in other situations it might as the string will be converted to a date value using the local date/time settings. That will not happen for a date value.

/gustav

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 04:01 >>>
Gary:

Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1: 
Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date 
only so I can count the hits by date. 

Thank you.

Rocky


Gary Kjos wrote:
> Hi Rocky,
>
> If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
> point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
> field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
> the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
> or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
>
> OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
>
> Dateadd is described here...
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp 
>
> That is what I would probably do anyway.




From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 06:55:09 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:55:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>
References: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950604280455j1d98b624jcf8c7214a3fe0e18@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gustav,

When I was typing my reply I did use the # characters around the date
instead of the " but I was swayed when I looked for the help file to
verify that the indicator tor seconds in dateadd was 's'. I saw that
they had the double quotes around the date in the example so I went
that way too even though it seemed wrong.

Thanks for pointing out the possible issues.

Gary

On 4/28/06, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Gary and Rocky
>
> Just a note: If possible, you should use a date value and not its string representation with DateAdd() even though the example uses a string:
>
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],#1/1/1970#),"Short Date")
>
> It doesn't make much of a difference here but in other situations it might as the string will be converted to a date value using the local date/time settings. That will not happen for a date value.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 04:01 >>>
> Gary:
>
> Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1:
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date
> only so I can count the hits by date.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
> > Hi Rocky,
> >
> > If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
> > point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
> > field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
> > the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
> > or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
> >
> > OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
> >
> > Dateadd is described here...
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp
> >
> > That is what I would probably do anyway.
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Apr 28 07:00:36 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:00:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
In-Reply-To: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>
References: <s451f548.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <445203E4.3030305@san.rr.com>

Gustav:

Do you mean the 1/1/1970?  Or the value returned by the expression?

Rocky


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Gary and Rocky
>
> Just a note: If possible, you should use a date value and not its string representation with DateAdd() even though the example uses a string:
>
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],#1/1/1970#),"Short Date")
>
> It doesn't make much of a difference here but in other situations it might as the string will be converted to a date value using the local date/time settings. That will not happen for a date value.
>
> /gustav
>
>   
>>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 04:01 >>>
>>>>         
> Gary:
>
> Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1: 
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date 
> only so I can count the hits by date. 
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>   
>> Hi Rocky,
>>
>> If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
>> point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
>> field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
>> the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
>> or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
>>
>> OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
>>
>> Dateadd is described here...
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp 
>>
>> That is what I would probably do anyway.
>>     
>
>
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From gjgiever at myway.com  Fri Apr 28 07:09:25 2006
From: gjgiever at myway.com (Gary J. Giever)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:09:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] play wav file
Message-ID: <20060428120925.B988867EA3@mprdmxin.myway.com>


' This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
' It is not to be altered or distributed,
' except as part of an application.
' You are free to use it in any application,
' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'
' Code Courtesy of
' Dev Ashish
'
Public Const pcsSYNC = 0      ' wait until sound is finished playing
Public Const pcsASYNC = 1     ' don't wait for finish
Public Const pcsNODEFAULT = 2 ' play no default sound if sound doesn't exist
Public Const pcsLOOP = 8      ' play sound in an infinite loop (until next apiPlaySound)
Public Const pcsNOSTOP = 16   ' don't interrupt a playing sound

'Sound APIs
Private Declare Function apiPlaySound Lib "Winmm.dll" Alias "sndPlaySoundA" _
    (ByVal lpszSoundName As String, ByVal uFlags As Long) As Long

'AVI APIs
Private Declare Function apimciSendString Lib "Winmm.dll" Alias "mciSendStringA" _
    (ByVal lpstrCommand As String, ByVal lpstrReturnString As String, _
    ByVal uReturnLength As Long, ByVal hwndCallback As Long) As Long

Private Declare Function apimciGetErrorString Lib "Winmm.dll" _
    Alias "mciGetErrorStringA" (ByVal dwError As Long, _
    ByVal lpstrBuffer As String, ByVal uLength As Long) As Long


Function fPlayStuff(ByVal strFilename As String, _
            Optional intPlayMode As Integer) As Long
'MUST pass a filename _with_ extension
'Supports Wav, AVI, MID type files
Dim lngRet As Long
Dim strTemp As String

    Select Case LCase(fGetFileExt(strFilename))
        Case "wav":
            If Not IsMissing(intPlayMode) Then
                lngRet = apiPlaySound(strFilename, intPlayMode)
            Else
                MsgBox "Must specify play mode."
                Exit Function
            End If
        Case "avi", "mid":
            strTemp = String$(256, 0)
            lngRet = apimciSendString("play " & strFilename, strTemp, 255, 0)
    End Select
    fPlayStuff = lngRet
End Function
Function fStopStuff(ByVal strFilename As String)
'Stops a multimedia playback
Dim lngRet As Long
Dim strTemp As String
    Select Case LCase(fGetFileExt(strFilename))
        Case "Wav":
            lngRet = apiPlaySound(0, pcsASYNC)
        Case "avi", "mid":
            strTemp = String$(256, 0)
            lngRet = apimciSendString("stop " & strFilename, strTemp, 255, 0)
    End Select
    fStopStuff = lngRet
End Function

Private Function fGetFileExt(ByVal strFullPath As String) As String
Dim intPos As Integer, intLen As Integer
    intLen = Len(strFullPath)
    If intLen Then
        For intPos = intLen To 1 Step -1
            'Find the last \
            If Mid$(strFullPath, intPos, 1) = "." Then
                fGetFileExt = Mid$(strFullPath, intPos + 1)
                Exit Function
            End If
        Next intPos
    End If
End Function

Function fGetError(ByVal lngErrNum As Long) As String
    ' Translate the error code to a string
    Dim lngx As Long
    Dim strErr As String

    strErr = String$(256, 0)
    lngx = apimciGetErrorString(lngErrNum, strErr, 255)
    strErr = Left$(strErr, Len(strErr) - 1)
    fGetError = strErr
End Function
Function fatest()
Dim a As Long
    a = fPlayStuff("C:\winnt\clock.avi")
    'a = fStopStuff("C:\winnt\clock.avi")
End Function



Gary J. Giever, M.A.
Applications Developer
ACCMHS
3285 122nd Avenue
PO Drawer 130
Allegan, MI  49010


 --- On Fri 04/28, John Eget < joeget at vgernet.net > wrote:
From: John Eget [mailto: joeget at vgernet.net]
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:43:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] play wav file

Is there a way to play a wav file when a form is opened?John -- AccessD mailing listAccessD at databaseadvisors.comhttp://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessdWebsite: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 28 07:20:03 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:20:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] [Fwd: Re: Date Field]
Message-ID: <s45224b9.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

> Do you mean the 1/1/1970?  

Yes, as shown. That's a fixed date.

/gustav

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 14:00:36 >>>
Gustav:

Do you mean the 1/1/1970?  Or the value returned by the expression?

Rocky


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Gary and Rocky
>
> Just a note: If possible, you should use a date value and not its string representation with DateAdd() even though the example uses a string:
>
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],#1/1/1970#),"Short Date")
>
> It doesn't make much of a difference here but in other situations it might as the string will be converted to a date value using the local date/time settings. That will not happen for a date value.
>
> /gustav
>
>   
>>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 28-04-2006 04:01 >>>
>>>>         
> Gary:
>
> Works perfectly!  I'm using Expr1: 
> Format(DateAdd("s",[date],"1/1/70"),"Short Date") just to get the date 
> only so I can count the hits by date. 
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>   
>> Hi Rocky,
>>
>> If the Unix Epoch date represents a number of seconds from a magic
>> point in time, how about if if you did a dateadd function with the
>> field containing the number of seconds to added the magic date with
>> the result being the date in date format from where you can store it
>> or do further fun stuff with it.. It would be something like
>>
>> OutputDateField = DateAdd("s", lngUnixEpochDateInput, "1/1/1970")
>>
>> Dateadd is described here...
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbenlr98/html/vafctdateadd.asp 
>>
>> That is what I would probably do anyway.




From viner at EUnet.yu  Fri Apr 28 07:30:04 2006
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:30:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] play wav file
References: <20060428120925.B988867EA3@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <001001c66abf$819f8210$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Search topic "Play a wav file (sound file) in an Access database" on 
http://www.techonthenet.com/access
Ervin


From: "Gary J. Giever" <gjgiever at myway.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] play wav file


>
> ' This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> ' It is not to be altered or distributed,
> ' except as part of an application.
> ' You are free to use it in any application,
> ' provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
> '
> ' Code Courtesy of
> ' Dev Ashish
> '
> Public Const pcsSYNC = 0      ' wait until sound is finished playing
> Public Const pcsASYNC = 1     ' don't wait for finish
> Public Const pcsNODEFAULT = 2 ' play no default sound if sound doesn't 
> exist
> Public Const pcsLOOP = 8      ' play sound in an infinite loop (until next 
> apiPlaySound)
> Public Const pcsNOSTOP = 16   ' don't interrupt a playing sound
>
> 'Sound APIs
> Private Declare Function apiPlaySound Lib "Winmm.dll" Alias 
> "sndPlaySoundA" _
>    (ByVal lpszSoundName As String, ByVal uFlags As Long) As Long
>
> 'AVI APIs
> Private Declare Function apimciSendString Lib "Winmm.dll" Alias 
> "mciSendStringA" _
>    (ByVal lpstrCommand As String, ByVal lpstrReturnString As String, _
>    ByVal uReturnLength As Long, ByVal hwndCallback As Long) As Long
>
> Private Declare Function apimciGetErrorString Lib "Winmm.dll" _
>    Alias "mciGetErrorStringA" (ByVal dwError As Long, _
>    ByVal lpstrBuffer As String, ByVal uLength As Long) As Long
>
>
> Function fPlayStuff(ByVal strFilename As String, _
>            Optional intPlayMode As Integer) As Long
> 'MUST pass a filename _with_ extension
> 'Supports Wav, AVI, MID type files
> Dim lngRet As Long
> Dim strTemp As String
>
>    Select Case LCase(fGetFileExt(strFilename))
>        Case "wav":
>            If Not IsMissing(intPlayMode) Then
>                lngRet = apiPlaySound(strFilename, intPlayMode)
>            Else
>                MsgBox "Must specify play mode."
>                Exit Function
>            End If
>        Case "avi", "mid":
>            strTemp = String$(256, 0)
>            lngRet = apimciSendString("play " & strFilename, strTemp, 255, 
> 0)
>    End Select
>    fPlayStuff = lngRet
> End Function
> Function fStopStuff(ByVal strFilename As String)
> 'Stops a multimedia playback
> Dim lngRet As Long
> Dim strTemp As String
>    Select Case LCase(fGetFileExt(strFilename))
>        Case "Wav":
>            lngRet = apiPlaySound(0, pcsASYNC)
>        Case "avi", "mid":
>            strTemp = String$(256, 0)
>            lngRet = apimciSendString("stop " & strFilename, strTemp, 255, 
> 0)
>    End Select
>    fStopStuff = lngRet
> End Function
>
> Private Function fGetFileExt(ByVal strFullPath As String) As String
> Dim intPos As Integer, intLen As Integer
>    intLen = Len(strFullPath)
>    If intLen Then
>        For intPos = intLen To 1 Step -1
>            'Find the last \
>            If Mid$(strFullPath, intPos, 1) = "." Then
>                fGetFileExt = Mid$(strFullPath, intPos + 1)
>                Exit Function
>            End If
>        Next intPos
>    End If
> End Function
>
> Function fGetError(ByVal lngErrNum As Long) As String
>    ' Translate the error code to a string
>    Dim lngx As Long
>    Dim strErr As String
>
>    strErr = String$(256, 0)
>    lngx = apimciGetErrorString(lngErrNum, strErr, 255)
>    strErr = Left$(strErr, Len(strErr) - 1)
>    fGetError = strErr
> End Function
> Function fatest()
> Dim a As Long
>    a = fPlayStuff("C:\winnt\clock.avi")
>    'a = fStopStuff("C:\winnt\clock.avi")
> End Function
>
>
>
> Gary J. Giever, M.A.
> Applications Developer
> ACCMHS
> 3285 122nd Avenue
> PO Drawer 130
> Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
> --- On Fri 04/28, John Eget < joeget at vgernet.net > wrote:
> From: John Eget [mailto: joeget at vgernet.net]
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:43:12 -0400
> Subject: [AccessD] play wav file
>
> Is there a way to play a wav file when a form is opened?John -- AccessD 
> mailing 
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr 28 07:58:57 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:58:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] report on Access Devcon Las Vegas
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403556FEC@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Same impression I've gotten at other conferences.  Two words to
developers using M$ tools, Sharepoint and .NET.  At the last
DevConnections conference I (where Access was not represented but
Sharepoint and .NET were) I heard a lot of "just like Access" and
"similar to Access" when the speakers showed new data access tools like
grids and and master/detail controls. 

Now whether an Access-Sharepoint connection keeps Access development
alive or not we'll see...


Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:07 PM
To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] report on Access Devcon Las Vegas

I thought I would report to the group some of my impressions on the
future of Access as presented at the "Advisor Summit" in Vegas this past
week.
First, I am very encouraged by the fact Microsoft appears to be pouring
substantial resources into Access so the rumors of Access's demise are
greatly exaggerated. Having said that, my strong impression is that they
are strengthening the product for power/personal users as opposed to
developers.
For example, they emphasized several times the experience of first
opening Access will provide a much richer interface with a lot of sample
databases to entice the new user to take the plunge. They contrasted
this with the current environment which isn't exactly intuitive when
opened for the first time. 

The item that drew the most groans of disbelief from developers was
Microsoft's promotion and re-emphasis on macros (of all things!). In
fact, the new sample databases will be written to use macros! While MS
claims the macros have been strengthened, the confusing old halt message
dialogue popped up when a macro they were running during the
presentation ran into trouble (sigh). Apparently the real issue is that
macros can run safely in sandbox mode whereas VBA will still be subject
to the same old security risks. Consequently new installs of Access will
have VBA security set to high similar (I think) to the security screen
Excel currently shows.  While I am hazy on all the particulars and the
exact ramifications of this, I have little doubt this will make
developer's lives more complicated. This strikes me as an exercise in
CYA for MS. 

I specifically asked if VBA was dead and the answer was definitely not,
in fact (according to the MS guys) the object models were being
improved, enhanced, etc. although I can't recall any specifics. ADPs,
however, appear to have no future and  I was encouraged not to start any
new projects using them. Also interesting was the fact that the infamous
Northwind is being rewritten. Apparently the debate within Microsoft is
how complicated the VBA code should be since this is basically an
example DB for newbies. My strong opinion to them was that the code
should be up to the highest standards.
This means using classes, function calls, error checking, naming
conventions, etc. IMHO when  newbies first venture into VBA they often
take Microsoft's examples as gospel. (I have to admit I did when I first
started) so Northwind should not be written by some summer intern.
Especially since users will be using macros much more, when they are
ready to venture into the world of VBA they should be exposed to the
best coding practices.
Anyway, if you have a strong opinion about what Northwind should look
like I can give you the email of the program manager who is trying to
figure out what to do. 

Anyway, it was a worthwhile conference although the slots didn't cut me
any slack. Apparently the money you take to Vegas stays in Vegas.

Jim Hale

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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Apr 28 08:39:15 2006
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:39:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C040E28E7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

I've set Conditional Formatting for an entire range.
The key is to choose a cell/row where you can set the parameters.
For example:  to apply CF to range B2:H20
Open a blank Worksheet
Highlight B2 through H20
Start with B2 and go towards H20
Open CF
Change "Cell Value Is" to "Formula Is"
In the formula type in =$A2=1
Then format by choosing a color for the cell
Click Add
Follow the above and choose a different color
Do it again for a third row color.
Close CF.

Test it.
By putting 1, 2, or 3 in column A the rows will change.

Any formula will work as long as the results are true/false.

HTH

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boyes
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

You have to set each cell in the row to the same formula. (I have only
done this one cell at a time.) The formula would be the same in every
cell of the row: If Cell A20=passed, set the font to grey in THIS cell.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi Dan
If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
following...
   if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
 
But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from
Cell A1 to a19

That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a
value in a cell Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value
in that cell


Darren
------------------------------

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each
would be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel -
maybe absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy
once and paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the
row.

Dan 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy,
Test1 Results etc but the final column is the one that has final say on
what is done. If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be
grey font, italic font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply
cond formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is
the other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Fri Apr 28 08:50:46 2006
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:50:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: between rock and hard place
Message-ID: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE04D8C28F@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>

 Hello all,

I've searched high and low.  I cannot seem to find what I'm looking for.
I don't want to give reasons why, but I need to capture all emails that
contain certain keywords in them from any EXCHANGE mailbox.  I need to
search subject, message body, and possibly attachment names.  

Anyway, the only tool I found was from QUEST "Recovery Manager for
Exchange".  
I'm Looking for alternatives, hopefully Access, VB, c#, anything that I
can do myself would be great.. Then again I'm open for suggestions.. 

If anyone can help guide me.. I would appreciate it.. 

Please respond off the list as this has nothing to do with Access... 

Thank You,
Rich 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 28 09:08:21 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:08:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: between rock and hard place
Message-ID: <s4523e05.011@cactus.dk>

Hi Rich

For e-mail handling in code we use the Chilkat Email ActiveX component that works nicely with Access VBA:

  http://www.chilkatsoft.com/email-activex.asp 

A fully functional 30-day evaluation copy can be downloaded.
I guess you would need to read the headers and the body of the e-mails ...

/gustav

>>> Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com 28-04-2006 15:50:46 >>>
 Hello all,

I've searched high and low.  I cannot seem to find what I'm looking for.
I don't want to give reasons why, but I need to capture all emails that
contain certain keywords in them from any EXCHANGE mailbox.  I need to
search subject, message body, and possibly attachment names.  

Anyway, the only tool I found was from QUEST "Recovery Manager for
Exchange".  
I'm Looking for alternatives, hopefully Access, VB, c#, anything that I
can do myself would be great.. Then again I'm open for suggestions.. 

If anyone can help guide me.. I would appreciate it.. 

Please respond off the list as this has nothing to do with Access... 

Thank You,
Rich 




From darrend at nimble.com.au  Fri Apr 28 09:33:16 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:33:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting
In-Reply-To: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C040E28E7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <20060428143318.BDYC27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Brilliant
Thanks to all who replied
Never knew any of this stuff
Brilliant

See y'all
 


Darren
------------------------------
T: 0424 696 433
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, 28 April 2006 11:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

I've set Conditional Formatting for an entire range.
The key is to choose a cell/row where you can set the parameters.
For example:  to apply CF to range B2:H20 Open a blank Worksheet Highlight B2
through H20 Start with B2 and go towards H20 Open CF Change "Cell Value Is" to
"Formula Is"
In the formula type in =$A2=1
Then format by choosing a color for the cell Click Add Follow the above and
choose a different color Do it again for a third row color.
Close CF.

Test it.
By putting 1, 2, or 3 in column A the rows will change.

Any formula will work as long as the results are true/false.

HTH

Jim
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boyes
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

You have to set each cell in the row to the same formula. (I have only done this
one cell at a time.) The formula would be the same in every cell of the row: If
Cell A20=passed, set the font to grey in THIS cell.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:darrend at nimble.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi Dan
If I select the whole row and set the CondFormatting to say...AirCode
following...
   if CellValue = 'Passed' then Grey Font
 
But there is nowhere to say if Cell A20 = Passed then Grey font from
Cell A1 to a19

That's what I really want to do - apply it to the whole row based on a
value in a cell Rather that have it apply to a cell based on the value
in that cell


Darren
------------------------------

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting

Darren,

Would it work to apply CF to each cell in the row?  The test for each
would be to look at the same cell.  I haven't done much CF in Excel -
maybe absolute references in the CF expression would allow you to copy
once and paste into the CF expression field for the other cells in the
row.

Dan 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bit OT - Excel Q on Conditional Formatting


Hi All
We have an excel spread sheet that our 'testers' use to test for bugs in
software So there are various column headers eg What Tested, TestedBy,
Test1 Results etc but the final column is the one that has final say on
what is done. If it says 'closed' or 'passed' I want the whole row to be
grey font, italic font etc to visually indicate 'it is finished' with
 
In the past I have applied cond formatting to whole columns that apply
cond formatting to individual cells depending on their value but this is
the other way about. IE a cell changing the formatting for the whole row
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Darren
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Apr 28 09:47:45 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:47:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?

 

ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

 

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From dgibso at uark.edu  Fri Apr 28 10:00:41 2006
From: dgibso at uark.edu (David A. Gibson)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:00:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermo
	rgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060428095928.01a0efa0@uark.edu>

Could it be that the user permissions are different?

David G.


At 09:47 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote:
>I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
>create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>
>ChDrive "C:"
>
>Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>
>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>End If
>
>  Chester Kaup
>Engineering Technician
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>Office (432) 688-3797
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.




From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Apr 28 10:17:19 2006
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:17:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C7403557028@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Or maybe it's possible that the Scripting component is not installed on
that machine.  I seem to recall a few years back sys admins were not
installing for fear of attacks. 


Jim DeMarco

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Gibson
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem

Could it be that the user permissions are different?

David G.


At 09:47 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote:
>I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works 
>fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could 
>not create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>
>ChDrive "C:"
>
>Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>
>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>End If
>
>  Chester Kaup
>Engineering Technician
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>Office (432) 688-3797
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
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>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Fri Apr 28 10:25:49 2006
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (sgoodhall at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:25:49 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <042820061525.9965.445233FD0002D360000026ED220588601404040E080B0101099C@comcast.net>

If Scripting were not installed, then the CreateObject should fail. Did you also try:

fso.CreateFolder ResultsPath

?  Also,

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> 

> Or maybe it's possible that the Scripting component is not installed on 
> that machine. I seem to recall a few years back sys admins were not 
> installing for fear of attacks. 
> 
> 
> Jim DeMarco 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David A. 
> Gibson 
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:01 AM 
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem 
> 
> Could it be that the user permissions are different? 
> 
> David G. 
> 
> 
> At 09:47 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote: 
> >I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works 
> >fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could 
> >not create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts? 
> > 
> >ChDrive "C:" 
> > 
> >Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") 
> > 
> >ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" 
> > 
> >If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then 
> > 
> > MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" 
> > 
> >End If 
> > 
> > Chester Kaup 
> >Engineering Technician 
> >Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP 
> >Office (432) 688-3797 
> >FAX (432) 688-3799 
> > 
> >No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large 
> >number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Apr 28 10:54:06 2006
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:54:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F20CD7563@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

I don't think you can create a path like "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" in one
step. You need to check if "C:\Files" exists first, then "C:\Files\Excel"
and then finally "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10", creating folders along the way.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem


I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works fine.
Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not create
folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?

 

ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

 

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Apr 28 10:47:25 2006
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Long, Karen S. (CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL) (CTR))
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:47:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43036256AC@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Does the user have Admin rights? 


Karen S. Long
Programmer Analyst
EG&G Technical Services, Inc.
Pittsburgh, PA
Phone: 412-386-6649
Email: cyx5 at cdc.gov


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem

I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?

 

ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

 

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri Apr 28 11:04:14 2006
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:04:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F20CD7563@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <OFE396A7BB.74F52323-ON8625715E.00583189-8625715E.00584735@usbank.com>

I have two functions base on the Windows API that I use that are below:

Public Function blnDirectoryExists(strDirectoryName As String) As Boolean
Dim strDir As String

   On Error GoTo blnDirectoryExists_Error

strDir = Dir(strDirectoryName, vbDirectory)

If IsNull(strDir) Or strDir = "" Then
    blnDirectoryExists = False
Else
    blnDirectoryExists = True
End If

   On Error GoTo 0
   Exit Function

blnDirectoryExists_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in procedure
blnDirectoryExists of Module mdlFile"
    blnDirectoryExists = False
End Function

Public Sub CreateNewDirectory(strNewDirectoryName As String)
   On Error GoTo CreateNewDirectory_Error

Select Case blnDirectoryExists(strNewDirectoryName)
    Case False
        Call MkDir(strNewDirectoryName)
End Select

   On Error GoTo 0
   Exit Sub

CreateNewDirectory_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in procedure
CreateNewDirectory of Module mdlFile"
End Sub

Jeffrey F. Demulling
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I don't think you can create a path like "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" in one
step. You need to check if "C:\Files" exists first, then "C:\Files\Excel"
and then finally "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10", creating folders along the
way.

Lambert

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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:48 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem


I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
fine.
Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not create
folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?



ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"



If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Apr 28 11:06:19 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:06:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D897@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

That was the problem. I already had the higher level directories on my
machine so did not test the whole path. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
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Lambert
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem

I don't think you can create a path like "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10" in
one
step. You need to check if "C:\Files" exists first, then
"C:\Files\Excel"
and then finally "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10", creating folders along the
way.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem


I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
fine.
Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
create
folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?

 

ChDrive "C:"

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

 

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then

    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"

End If

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From jim.moss at jlmoss.net  Fri Apr 28 11:05:36 2006
From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:05:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D851@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4589.65.196.182.34.1146240336.squirrel@65.196.182.34>

Chester,

I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it creates
sub folders just fine.

Jim

> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could not
> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> ChDrive "C:"
>
> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>
>
> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>
>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
> End If
>
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Apr 28 11:28:48 2006
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:28:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

When I try the following I get a runtime error 76

If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
End If

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem

Chester,

I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
creates
sub folders just fine.

Jim

> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
not
> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> ChDrive "C:"
>
> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
>
>
> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>
>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>
> End If
>
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 28 14:33:24 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:33:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <44526E04.6070902@shaw.ca>

 "Run-time error '76' Path Not found error".
Some part of the path doesn't exist.

I use Dir to create this type of directory structure.
For example I have three fields in a table each
one being a seperate directory level
So you have to walk down the path creating each level
Now Dir has a problem especially with deletes

The Dir function may hold an OS lock on the directory even after Access has
been terminated. To get around this point the DIR function at a directory,
you dont want to delete. Play around with code below to prove the point.
So you may want to use FSO instead

Also look at last routine to check for invalid DOS characters in path


'**************************************
' Name: CreateDirectoryStruct
' Description:Creates all non-existing
'   folders in a path. Local or network UNC path.
' By: Bill Jones
'
' Inputs:CreateThisPath as string
'

'CreateDirectoryStruct("c:\temp\b\a")

 Sub CreateDirectoryStruct(CreateThisPath As String)

    'do initial check
    Dim ret As Boolean, temp$, ComputerName As String, IntoItCount As 
Integer, X%, _
              WakeString As String
    Dim MadeIt As Integer
    If Dir$(CreateThisPath, vbDirectory) <> "" Then Exit Sub
    'is this a network path?

    If Left$(CreateThisPath, 2) = "\\" Then ' this is a UNC NetworkPath
        'must extract the machine name first, th
        '     en get to the first folder
        IntoItCount = 3
        ComputerName = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, 
InStr(IntoItCount, _
                 CreateThisPath, "\") - IntoItCount)
        IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(ComputerName) + 1
        IntoItCount = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\") + 1
        'temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount
        '     , x)
    Else ' this is a regular path
        IntoItCount = 4
    End If

    WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
    'start a loop through the CreateThisPath
    '     string

    Do
        X = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\")


        If X <> 0 Then
            X = X - IntoItCount
            temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, X)
        Else
            temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount)
        End If

        IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(temp) + 1
        temp = WakeString + temp
        'Create a directory if it doesn't alread
        '     y exist
        ret = (Dir$(temp, vbDirectory) <> "")
        If Not ret Then
            'ret& = CreateDirectory(temp, Security)
            Debug.Print "MD=" & temp
            MkDir temp
        End If

        IntoItCount = IntoItCount 'track where we are in the String
        WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
    Loop While WakeString <> CreateThisPath

End Sub

Function NameFix(NameIn As String) As String
' replaces illegal character with underscore
' for illegal filenames in windows dos
   Const ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS = "/\:*?<>|"""
   ' = /\:*?<>|"
   Dim i As Integer
   Dim iTmp As Integer
   Dim NameFixTemp As Variant
   'replace illegal filename character with an underscore
   NameFixTemp = NameIn

   For i = 1 To Len(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS)
    NameFixTemp = Replace(NameFixTemp, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1), "_")
     ' iTmp = InStr(1, NameFix, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1))
     ' If iTmp > 0 Then
     '    Mid$(NameFix, iTmp, 1) = "_"
     ' End If
   Next
   'non ascii printing characters
  ' Just realized this code will also replace spaces with
  'underscores.
'to accept spaces, change
'>       If iTmp < 33 Or iTmp > 126 Then to
'>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then

   For i = 1 To Len(NameFixTemp)
      iTmp = Asc(Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1))
      If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
         Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1) = "_"
      End If
   Next
   NameFix = NameFixTemp
End Function



Kaup, Chester wrote:

>When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>
>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
>End If
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
>Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>
>Chester,
>
>I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
>creates
>sub folders just fine.
>
>Jim
>
>  
>
>>I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>>fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
>>    
>>
>not
>  
>
>>create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>ChDrive "C:"
>>
>>Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>
>>ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>
>>
>>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>
>>    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>End If
>>
>>
>>
>>Chester Kaup
>>
>>Engineering Technician
>>
>>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>
>>Office (432) 688-3797
>>
>>FAX (432) 688-3799
>>
>>
>>
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>>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From jim.moss at jlmoss.net  Fri Apr 28 14:39:27 2006
From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:39:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <15208.65.196.182.34.1146253167.squirrel@65.196.182.34>

I thought that it built the entire path, but it will only build one level
in the path at a time.



Sorry,

jim

> When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>
> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>     fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
> End If
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>
> Chester,
>
> I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
> creates
> sub folders just fine.
>
> Jim
>
>> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
> not
>> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ChDrive "C:"
>>
>> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>
>> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>
>>
>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>
>>     MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>> End If
>>
>>
>>
>> Chester Kaup
>>
>> Engineering Technician
>>
>> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>
>> Office (432) 688-3797
>>
>> FAX (432) 688-3799
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Apr 28 16:27:54 2006
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:27:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting and opening excel spreadsheet
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A154F86C7@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

We are in the process of slowly upgrading to Office 2003 but still mainly
use Access 97.  In one of my Access 97 apps I'm using the OutputTo command
to export a report to Excel then via code I'm opening the excel spreadsheet
and running an Excel macro to clean up the spreadsheet.  This works fine
with Excel 97 but when Excel 2003 tries to open the spreadsheet I get an
error that the open method fails in the excel object.  If I go to Excel 2003
and manually open the spreadsheet I get a message that tells me Excel
automatically repaired the sheet and the problem is it "renamed invalid
sheet name".  The sheet name is just Sheet1 as far as I can tell.  Any
ideas?

TIA

Rusty Hammond
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CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Fri Apr 28 17:55:31 2006
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:55:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run
In-Reply-To: <004801c66a6b$097a1b00$647aa8c0@JWCM6805>
Message-ID: <003401c66b16$d9b0e820$0400a8c0@PC1>

John,

I think one option is to make use of the code here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnolbk02/ht
ml/odc_ch11olevents.asp

Here's mentioned (11.6 Reminders Events) how to respond to events fired in
Outlook.. Again you will have to do some coding since there's not an out of
the box solution for your wish but anyways I think the article is nice to
have even if you're not going to use it. This code can only be used from OL
2002 and up.


Regards,
Eric Starkenburg


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

I wrote the macro in Outlook.  Currently it just runs when selected but it
would be nice to set it in an outlook "appointment" such that when the
appointment fired it ran the macro.  Seems so logical.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Hi John,

It's not clear to me what the environment settings in your case are like but
you could ofcourse write your own piece of code in an MDB to schedule and
send the mail using Outlook MAPI and have an Access instance 24/7 running.
If coding like this is not an option and the macro already exists, I assume
the macro does the complete job and all you need is the scheduling part,
then why not use the Outlook object model in an Access mdb and again keep it
running 24/7 and have vba code execute the macro using the objectmodel.

Ofcourse if you have SQL server around Karen's way is better in my opinion
since running Acces 24/7 would not be my first choice though windows also
has a scheduler which you could probably use(!). In this case not only could
you work with an ActiveX but also it would be possible to write some code to
execute an Access mdb (including an autoexec ofcourse) which triggers the
macro or a simple VB application, in both cases making use of the Outlook
object model.

I have to be honest though, I haven't checked the Object model for this
answer as we speak so there is a possiblity that using the object model is
out of the question regarding an Outlook macro but I assume it can be done
this way.

Hope it keeps your fantasy going;)

Regards,
Eric Starkenburg

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

John, don't give it up just yet...I did this for a company a few years
ago...know the info is here somewhere, just haven't found it yet...will do
it as fast as I can...

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling a macro to run

Does anyone know how to schedule an Outlook macro to run every day (to send
a canned email)?

John W. Colby
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From bill_Patten at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 28 17:57:58 2006
From: bill_Patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:57:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting and opening excel spreadsheet
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A154F86C7@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <008001c66b17$3246d300$6501a8c0@BPCS>

Rusty,

I found that trying this would cause the problem you described.
    strSql = "Select * from vUnits where UnitID between 19445 and 19448"
     rs.Open strSql, cn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputServerView, strSql, acFormatXLS, "C:\test.xls", 
True

Because it tried to name the sheet the strSql string. My solution was to 
create a view on the fly then name the view in OutputTo call

    Dim strView As String, strPeriod As String ,strSqlCmd As String
    Dim cn As New ADODB.Connection
    Set cn = CurrentProject.AccessConnection
    strView = "vTemp" & Trim(glbStrUserName)  'Create a personal instance
    strPeriod = "0511"
    strSqlCmd = "if object_id('" & strView & "') is not null drop view dbo." 
& strView
    cn.Execute strSqlCmd
    strSqlCmd = "create view dbo." & strView & " as select * from 
vExcelOTReport where      BillingPeriod = '" & strPeriod & "'"
    cn.Execute strSqlCmd

then

 docmd.outputTo acOutputServerView ,strView ", acformatXLS, 
"c:\Somefilename.XLS"

Seemed to work ok

Hope this helps.

Bill
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From: <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting and opening excel spreadsheet


We are in the process of slowly upgrading to Office 2003 but still mainly
use Access 97.  In one of my Access 97 apps I'm using the OutputTo command
to export a report to Excel then via code I'm opening the excel spreadsheet
and running an Excel macro to clean up the spreadsheet.  This works fine
with Excel 97 but when Excel 2003 tries to open the spreadsheet I get an
error that the open method fails in the excel object.  If I go to Excel 2003
and manually open the spreadsheet I get a message that tells me Excel
automatically repaired the sheet and the problem is it "renamed invalid
sheet name".  The sheet name is just Sheet1 as far as I can tell.  Any
ideas?

TIA

Rusty Hammond
IT Dept. - B-20
CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
(620) 793-8473 ext. 416
rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 29 12:45:24 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:45:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220194D8A6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4453A634.7040604@shaw.ca>

This little nugget may come in handy
' Does a Directory exist
' Works with or without trailing slash
Function DirExists(ByVal strDirName As String) _
 As Boolean
  On Error Resume Next
  DirExists = _
   (GetAttr(strDirName) And vbDirectory) = vbDirectory
  Err.Clear
End Function

Kaup, Chester wrote:

>When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>
>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
>End If
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
>Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>
>Chester,
>
>I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
>creates
>sub folders just fine.
>
>Jim
>
>  
>
>>I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>>fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
>>    
>>
>not
>  
>
>>create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>ChDrive "C:"
>>
>>Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>
>>ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>
>>
>>If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>
>>    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>
>>End If
>>
>>
>>
>>Chester Kaup
>>
>>Engineering Technician
>>
>>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>
>>Office (432) 688-3797
>>
>>FAX (432) 688-3799
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>
>>
>>
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>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>

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From becklesd at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Apr 30 11:59:29 2006
From: becklesd at tiscali.co.uk (David Beckles)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:59:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 38, Issue 45
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1146330003.29578.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1146330003.29578.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4454ECF1.6020301@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi!
You could try the Windows API:

Declare Function MakeSureDirectoryPathExists Lib "imagehlp.dll" (ByVal
lpPath As String) As Long

Then the call
    MakeSureDirectoryPathExists "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10\"

will create the entire thing if necessary, but make sure that the path
ends with a backslash.  I have only ever had it fail if the drive did
not exist or the user did not have the necessary permissions.

Hope that this helps,
David

------------Original Message-------------------------------------
> From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <44526E04.6070902 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>  "Run-time error '76' Path Not found error".
> Some part of the path doesn't exist.
>
> I use Dir to create this type of directory structure.
> For example I have three fields in a table each
> one being a seperate directory level
> So you have to walk down the path creating each level
> Now Dir has a problem especially with deletes
>
> The Dir function may hold an OS lock on the directory even after Access has
> been terminated. To get around this point the DIR function at a directory,
> you dont want to delete. Play around with code below to prove the point.
> So you may want to use FSO instead
>
> Also look at last routine to check for invalid DOS characters in path
>
>
> '**************************************
> ' Name: CreateDirectoryStruct
> ' Description:Creates all non-existing
> '   folders in a path. Local or network UNC path.
> ' By: Bill Jones
> '
> ' Inputs:CreateThisPath as string
> '
>
> 'CreateDirectoryStruct("c:\temp\b\a")
>
>  Sub CreateDirectoryStruct(CreateThisPath As String)
>
>     'do initial check
>     Dim ret As Boolean, temp$, ComputerName As String, IntoItCount As 
> Integer, X%, _
>               WakeString As String
>     Dim MadeIt As Integer
>     If Dir$(CreateThisPath, vbDirectory) <> "" Then Exit Sub
>     'is this a network path?
>
>     If Left$(CreateThisPath, 2) = "\\" Then ' this is a UNC NetworkPath
>         'must extract the machine name first, th
>         '     en get to the first folder
>         IntoItCount = 3
>         ComputerName = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, 
> InStr(IntoItCount, _
>                  CreateThisPath, "\") - IntoItCount)
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(ComputerName) + 1
>         IntoItCount = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\") + 1
>         'temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount
>         '     , x)
>     Else ' this is a regular path
>         IntoItCount = 4
>     End If
>
>     WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
>     'start a loop through the CreateThisPath
>     '     string
>
>     Do
>         X = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\")
>
>
>         If X <> 0 Then
>             X = X - IntoItCount
>             temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, X)
>         Else
>             temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount)
>         End If
>
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(temp) + 1
>         temp = WakeString + temp
>         'Create a directory if it doesn't alread
>         '     y exist
>         ret = (Dir$(temp, vbDirectory) <> "")
>         If Not ret Then
>             'ret& = CreateDirectory(temp, Security)
>             Debug.Print "MD=" & temp
>             MkDir temp
>         End If
>
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount 'track where we are in the String
>         WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
>     Loop While WakeString <> CreateThisPath
>
> End Sub
>
> Function NameFix(NameIn As String) As String
> ' replaces illegal character with underscore
> ' for illegal filenames in windows dos
>    Const ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS = "/\:*?<>|"""
>    ' = /\:*?<>|"
>    Dim i As Integer
>    Dim iTmp As Integer
>    Dim NameFixTemp As Variant
>    'replace illegal filename character with an underscore
>    NameFixTemp = NameIn
>
>    For i = 1 To Len(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS)
>     NameFixTemp = Replace(NameFixTemp, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1), "_")
>      ' iTmp = InStr(1, NameFix, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1))
>      ' If iTmp > 0 Then
>      '    Mid$(NameFix, iTmp, 1) = "_"
>      ' End If
>    Next
>    'non ascii printing characters
>   ' Just realized this code will also replace spaces with
>   'underscores.
> 'to accept spaces, change
> '>       If iTmp < 33 Or iTmp > 126 Then to
> '>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
>
>    For i = 1 To Len(NameFixTemp)
>       iTmp = Asc(Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1))
>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
>          Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1) = "_"
>       End If
>    Next
>    NameFix = NameFixTemp
> End Function
>
>
>
> Kaup, Chester wrote:
>
>   
>> When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>>
>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>>    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
>> End If
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>>
>> Chester,
>>
>> I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
>> creates
>> sub folders just fine.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>>> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>> not
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ChDrive "C:"
>>>
>>> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>>
>>> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>>
>>>    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>>
>>> End If
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chester Kaup
>>>
>>> Engineering Technician
>>>
>>> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>>
>>> Office (432) 688-3797
>>>
>>> FAX (432) 688-3799
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>>> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>>  
>>
>>     
>
>   


-- 
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From becklesd at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Apr 30 15:13:24 2006
From: becklesd at tiscali.co.uk (David Beckles)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:13:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1146330003.29578.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1146330003.29578.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <44551A64.6040508@tiscali.co.uk>

Sorry, forgot to change the subject line.
You could try the Windows API:

Declare Function MakeSureDirectoryPathExists Lib "imagehlp.dll" (ByVal
lpPath As String) As Long

Then the call
    MakeSureDirectoryPathExists "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10\"

will create the entire thing if necessary, but make sure that the path
ends with a backslash.  I have only ever had it fail if the drive did
not exist or the user did not have the necessary permissions.

Hope that this helps,
David

------------Original Message-------------------------------------
> From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <44526E04.6070902 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>  "Run-time error '76' Path Not found error".
> Some part of the path doesn't exist.
>
> I use Dir to create this type of directory structure.
> For example I have three fields in a table each
> one being a seperate directory level
> So you have to walk down the path creating each level
> Now Dir has a problem especially with deletes
>
> The Dir function may hold an OS lock on the directory even after Access has
> been terminated. To get around this point the DIR function at a directory,
> you dont want to delete. Play around with code below to prove the point.
> So you may want to use FSO instead
>
> Also look at last routine to check for invalid DOS characters in path
>
>
> '**************************************
> ' Name: CreateDirectoryStruct
> ' Description:Creates all non-existing
> '   folders in a path. Local or network UNC path.
> ' By: Bill Jones
> '
> ' Inputs:CreateThisPath as string
> '
>
> 'CreateDirectoryStruct("c:\temp\b\a")
>
>  Sub CreateDirectoryStruct(CreateThisPath As String)
>
>     'do initial check
>     Dim ret As Boolean, temp$, ComputerName As String, IntoItCount As 
> Integer, X%, _
>               WakeString As String
>     Dim MadeIt As Integer
>     If Dir$(CreateThisPath, vbDirectory) <> "" Then Exit Sub
>     'is this a network path?
>
>     If Left$(CreateThisPath, 2) = "\\" Then ' this is a UNC NetworkPath
>         'must extract the machine name first, th
>         '     en get to the first folder
>         IntoItCount = 3
>         ComputerName = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, 
> InStr(IntoItCount, _
>                  CreateThisPath, "\") - IntoItCount)
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(ComputerName) + 1
>         IntoItCount = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\") + 1
>         'temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount
>         '     , x)
>     Else ' this is a regular path
>         IntoItCount = 4
>     End If
>
>     WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
>     'start a loop through the CreateThisPath
>     '     string
>
>     Do
>         X = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\")
>
>
>         If X <> 0 Then
>             X = X - IntoItCount
>             temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, X)
>         Else
>             temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount)
>         End If
>
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(temp) + 1
>         temp = WakeString + temp
>         'Create a directory if it doesn't alread
>         '     y exist
>         ret = (Dir$(temp, vbDirectory) <> "")
>         If Not ret Then
>             'ret& = CreateDirectory(temp, Security)
>             Debug.Print "MD=" & temp
>             MkDir temp
>         End If
>
>         IntoItCount = IntoItCount 'track where we are in the String
>         WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
>     Loop While WakeString <> CreateThisPath
>
> End Sub
>
> Function NameFix(NameIn As String) As String
> ' replaces illegal character with underscore
> ' for illegal filenames in windows dos
>    Const ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS = "/\:*?<>|"""
>    ' = /\:*?<>|"
>    Dim i As Integer
>    Dim iTmp As Integer
>    Dim NameFixTemp As Variant
>    'replace illegal filename character with an underscore
>    NameFixTemp = NameIn
>
>    For i = 1 To Len(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS)
>     NameFixTemp = Replace(NameFixTemp, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1), "_")
>      ' iTmp = InStr(1, NameFix, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1))
>      ' If iTmp > 0 Then
>      '    Mid$(NameFix, iTmp, 1) = "_"
>      ' End If
>    Next
>    'non ascii printing characters
>   ' Just realized this code will also replace spaces with
>   'underscores.
> 'to accept spaces, change
> '>       If iTmp < 33 Or iTmp > 126 Then to
> '>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
>
>    For i = 1 To Len(NameFixTemp)
>       iTmp = Asc(Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1))
>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
>          Mid$(NameFixTemp, i, 1) = "_"
>       End If
>    Next
>    NameFix = NameFixTemp
> End Function
>
>
>
> Kaup, Chester wrote:
>
>   
>> When I try the following I get a runtime error 76
>>
>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath2) Then
>>    fso.CreateFolder ("C:\Files1\Excel1\Scaleup1")
>> End If
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moss
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Make Folder Problem
>>
>> Chester,
>>
>> I use the fso.CreateFolder("C:\Accounts Payable\Processed") and it
>> creates
>> sub folders just fine.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> I use the following code on my machine to create a folder and it works
>>> fine. Just tried it on another users machine and got a message could
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>> not
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> create folder. I was able to do it manually. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ChDrive "C:"
>>>
>>> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>>>
>>> ResultsPath = "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Not fso.folderexists(ResultsPath) Then
>>>
>>>    MkDir "C:\Files\Excel\Scaleup10"
>>>
>>> End If
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chester Kaup
>>>
>>> Engineering Technician
>>>
>>> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>>>
>>> Office (432) 688-3797
>>>
>>> FAX (432) 688-3799
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>>> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>       
>>  
>>
>>     
>
>   


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