William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Tue Jul 4 08:22:52 CDT 2006
...oops ...correction: ...they are sold as Device or User CALs ...DEVICE cals being useful in shift work where 2 or more workers use the same workstation at different times ...USER cals are user name specific but can be installed on every device, the most common being a user with an office workstation, a home workstation, and a laptop ...a single user cal covers all three client installs for the same user. ...sorry :( William ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost SQl Server > Kath > > ...I asked what their Server OS was and you replied Windows XP Pro which > implies that they are networked using the workgroup features of Windows XP > Pro and thus don't have a Server in the classic sense. SQL Server is very > CPU and resource intensive and needs to be placed on a real network > server, > not a shared workstation. > > ...in that light I recommend Windows Small Business Server Premium as > configured below: > > Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2 Premium ONLSA w5 CAL 1 each > P/N T75-00144 $1950 (Open New License with Software Assurance) > > 5-pack CAL ONLSA 2 each P/N T74-00186 (User) $690 > > Total: 1950 + 690 + 690 = $3330 > > ...the part numbers are essential to getting the right version ...I > included > Software Assurance pricing so that your client will get the Windows Server > 2007/8 release without having to pay for it all over again ...the R2 spec > is > essential to get the SQL Server 2005 version rather than the SQL Server > 2000 > included in the original and R1 releases. > > ...the 5 CALs are included w/SBS ...additional CALs are sold in 5 or 20 > CAL > packs ...they are sold as Device or User CALs ...device cals being useful > in > shift work where 2 or more workers use the same workstation at different > times ...device cals are user name specific but can be installed on every > device, the most common being a user with an office workstation, a home > workstation, and a laptop ...a single user cal covers all three client > installs for the same user. > __________________________________________________________ > > ...if you require ONLY SQL Server itself, it comes in two applicable > editions now as follows: > > SQL Server Workgroup Edition w/Server CAL $730 > > Workgroup User Cal 15 each $146 > > Total: 730 + 2190 = $2920 > __________________________________________________________ > > SQL Server Standard Edition w/Server CAL $885 > > Workgroup User Cal 15 each $162 > > Total: 885 + 2430 = $3315 > > ...the major difference for your size customer lies in the additional > reliability features of the Standard edition vs. the pure db features of > the > Workgroup edition ...you'll have to look at the comparison charts to > determine which you feel comfortable with ...the SBS at the top comes with > the Standard edition ...as you can see, the pricing of the SBS Premium > edition is virtually identical to that of SQL Server Standard by itself > ...which is one reason why all of my clients are on SBS. > > ...the prices cited are from the MS site and are MSRP ...you can certainly > do better but be careful who and what you buy ...OEM versions are cheaper > but get zero support from MS (and you WILL need it) ...Open License > pricing > is more expensive but more than pays for itself the first time you get a > version upgrade ...e-bay has hundreds of items in this category for sale > at > much better prices but you can get badly burned if you're not very careful > ...probably 60% of them are illegal and MS claims its as high as 80% > ...they > can get away with this by pirating enterprise license numbers and selling > you copies ...it installs and upgrades fine until MS finds that the > license > number has been pirated and then shuts your client down ...if your client > decides to go with a new server, I use Dell because it simplifies my life > and my clients' ...you get better pricing and Dell will provide your > software support ...and Dell won't try to take your client away as some MS > Open License Dealers are wont to do. > > ...note that this is my opinion and my experience ...others may certainly > differ :) > > ...hth > > William > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:06 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost SQl Server > > >> The no. of users is between 5 and 15. They are currently using Windows XP >> Pro. >> >> I understand that Express is an option but I want to know the cost of >> full >> MS SQL as well. >> >> Kath >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: William Hindman >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost SQl Server >> >> >> ...what specific Server OS are they currently using and how many >> concurrent >> users? >> >> ...SQL Server Express is quite capable of serving as a be to an Access >> fe >> in >> many environments but you have to understand its limits ...but its free >> if >> those limitations don't limit your application. >> >> ...SQL Server 2005 comes packaged or stand alone ...if you purchase >> Small >> Business Server 2003 Premium, its included at a very steep discount to >> the >> stand alone price. >> >> ...the costs mount in either route as you add user licenses. >> >> ...server processor and memory specs are much more important in a >> client/server app w/SQL Server be than it is with an Access file/server >> be. >> >> ...Windows 2000 or XP will work fine but support for earlier versions is >> difficult at best ...the benefits of XP are, imnsho, more than >> sufficient >> to >> drive an upgrade ...unless they want to wait for Vista which will almost >> certainly require workstation hardware upgrades as well. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net> >> To: "Access D Normal List" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; "Access D SQl >> Server List" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:20 PM >> Subject: [AccessD] Cost SQl Server >> >> >> > Can someone help me with some costs which I find confusing on the MS >> site. >> > >> > I need to let a client know the costs of developing an app with SQL >> Server >> > as the BE as opposed to Access BE. >> > >> > I have all the development side clear but I need to quote them the >> cost >> of >> > them purchasing a license for SQL Server 2005, so that the users can >> > access it across the network. >> > >> > And do they need to use a specific Windows version with SQL Server >> 2005? >> > >> > TIA >> > >> > ______________________________________ >> > Kath Pelletti >> > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >> > Ph: 9505-6714 >> > Fax: 9505-6430 >> > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >