From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 04:40:21 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:40:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s60f9a43.050@cactus.dk>

Hi John and Stuart

It's easier than that; it behaves exactly like in Access (JET) except for two things:

 - SQL Server time is limited to real linear dates only, back to 1753-1-1, where JET goes back to an artificial value of 100-1-1.
 - SQL Server millisecond resolution is only 3.33 ms while JET goes down to 1 ms.

Thus, the date of numeric date value zero is the same for both: 1899-12-30.
This can be easily shown if you format a date/time field from SQL Server to a string which always include the date:

? Format(<SQL Server DT-field>, "yyyy-mm-dd hh:nn:ss")

Official doc is here:

  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms141036.aspx 

which also could imply that the data type of DT_DBTIME would fit your purpose.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 01-04-2007 01:40 >>>
On 31 Mar 2007 at 14:33, JWColby wrote:

> Can SQL Server handle a date with just a time portion in the field?  IOW a
> date of 12:03 am without a date?

Yes. Does it just the way that Access does. 
It defaults to date 0 if no date part is specified. Date 0 is
January 1, 1900 

To retrieve the time as a string use Convert(char(8),myDate,8) for hh:mm:ss
or  Convert(char(12),myDate,14) if you want milliseconds.
(108 and114 return the same thing)

-- 
Stuart



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 05:04:02 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:04:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Column Positions
Message-ID: <s60f9fc7.052@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

If this is in an Access environment, are there any benefits by specifying the Access Application object?
Normally I don't use it - I'm mostly in Access - but maybe I should?

Anyway, in Access this stripped down version seems to run with no glitches:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)

Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim frm As Form
Dim index As Integer
    
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    
    DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    For index = 0 To qdf.Fields.Count - 1
       frm.Controls(index).ColumnOrder = index + 1
    Next
    DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    
End Sub

/gustav


>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 30-03-2007 20:47 >>>
Hello Gustav,

Yes, that's OK - and now we start to play code optimization/generalization
game :)  (I'm using splitted code lines here to post ready to copy&paste
code, hopefully it will not be screwed anymore):

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder( _
      ByVal queryName As String, _
      Optional ByRef rapp As _
       Access.Application = Nothing)
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim frm As Access.Form
Dim ctl As Access.Control
    Set app = rapp
    If app Is Nothing Then _
       Set app = Access.Application
    With app
        Set dbs = .CurrentDb
        Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
        .DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
        Set frm = .Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form

        For Each fld In qdf.Fields
           frm.Controls(fld.Name).ColumnOrder = _
              fld.OrdinalPosition + 1
        Next fld

        .DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    End With
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

Hi Shamil

Bright idea! I hate when I have to say Yes to save the SQL of the query and
I forgot to rearrange a column I have moved for some reason. Now I can just
run this routine.

The function can be simplified a bit by just using the count of fields:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim index As Integer
Dim frm As Access.Form
    
    Set app = Access.Application
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    app.DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = app.Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    
    For index = 0 To qdf.Fields.Count - 1
       frm.Controls(index).ColumnOrder = index + 1
    Next
    
    app.DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 30-03-2007 19:17 >>>
Hi John,

Here is how column order can be "reset" to the column order in QBE grid:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim index As Integer
Dim frm As Access.Form
Dim ctl As Access.Control
    Set app = Access.Application
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    app.DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = app.Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    index = 1
    For Each fld In qdf.Fields
       Set ctl = frm.Controls(fld.Name)
       ctl.ColumnOrder = index
       index = index + 1
    Next fld
    app.DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

I have just "cooked" this code as a sample - it seems to work not bad but
please test it carefully if you plan to use it in production...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

I have no idea what happens if you don't either.  I believe that it does NOT
save your changes.  However if you DO save the changes, then the positions
in design view do not match the positions in data view, and I have never
discovered a way to "reset" them to match.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

You mean, if you don't save the datasheet view, the query retains the new
positions? I don't think I've ever paid any attention to this -- seems like
I'm always asked to save the query -- but really, never paid attention to
what happens if I don't. Or, am I someplace totally different that you guys?

Susan H. 

In a query's datasheet view you can easily drag the columns around.
 
Is there any way to reset them back to the way they are positioned in the
query grid?

The only way I have found to do this is to create a new query and just copy
the SQL statement to the new one. 
Is there a easier way, or maybe a menu option?


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr  1 05:03:19 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:03:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <s60f9a43.050@cactus.dk>
References: <s60f9a43.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <460F8367.15680.1548C5BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 1 Apr 2007 at 11:40, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John and Stuart
> 
> It's easier than that; it behaves exactly like in Access (JET) except for
> two things:
> 
>  - SQL Server time is limited to real linear dates only, back to 1753-1-1,
>  where JET goes back to an artificial value of 100-1-1. - SQL Server
>  millisecond resolution is only 3.33 ms while JET goes down to 1 ms.
> 
> Thus, the date of numeric date value zero is the same for both: 1899-12-30.
> This can be easily shown if you format a date/time field from SQL Server to
> a string which always include the date:

Unfortunately, that's not  true. 

In Access Date 0 is 1899-12-30, but in SQL server it is 1900-1-1.

>From Transact SQL Help in BOL:
Values with the datetime data type are stored internally by Microsoft SQL 
Server as two 4-byte integers. The first 4 bytes store the number of days 
before or after the base date, January 1, 1900. The base date is the system 
reference date. Values for datetime earlier than January 1, 1753, are not 
permitted. The other 4 bytes store the time of day represented as the 
number of milliseconds after midnight.

The smalldatetime data type stores dates and times of day with less 
precision than datetime. SQL Server stores smalldatetime values as two 2-
byte integers. The first 2 bytes store the number of days after January 1, 
1900. The other 2 bytes store the number of minutes since midnight. Dates 
range from January 1, 1900, through June 6, 2079, with accuracy to the 
minute.



-- 
Stuart




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sun Apr  1 05:52:40 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:52:40 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Column Positions
In-Reply-To: <s60f9fc7.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000601c7744b$deb21350$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

With Access.Application parameter passed as optional you "reserve"
opportunity to easily use the same code in Access Automation scenarios. I
also often (in my "previous life" when I programmed a lot on VBA) did use:

Optional ByRef rdbs as DAO.Database = Nothing

That "saved my life" many times when the database to work with wasn't
CurrentDB. For this subject case it's not needed because this code always
operates with CurrenDb...

The usage of:

    With app

Is used to not have costly Automation "round-trip" of getting reference of
MS Access instance. It's not needed when Access Automation is not used.

Using explicit:

app.DoCmd...
..
App.CurrentDb ..

Is good programming style IMO - when used that way then you get automatic
habit to use it simira way when programming MS Word/MS Exce/... Automation -
then copy & paste code between different VBA hosts will never result in
(unexpectedly) activating/running "ghost" background instances of MS
Access/Word/Excel/..., which are often not easy to "catch" where they come
from, to "kill" them etc...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

Hi Shamil

If this is in an Access environment, are there any benefits by specifying
the Access Application object?
Normally I don't use it - I'm mostly in Access - but maybe I should?

Anyway, in Access this stripped down version seems to run with no glitches:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)

Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim frm As Form
Dim index As Integer
    
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    
    DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    For index = 0 To qdf.Fields.Count - 1
       frm.Controls(index).ColumnOrder = index + 1
    Next
    DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    
End Sub

/gustav


>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 30-03-2007 20:47 >>>
Hello Gustav,

Yes, that's OK - and now we start to play code optimization/generalization
game :)  (I'm using splitted code lines here to post ready to copy&paste
code, hopefully it will not be screwed anymore):

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder( _
      ByVal queryName As String, _
      Optional ByRef rapp As _
       Access.Application = Nothing)
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim frm As Access.Form
Dim ctl As Access.Control
    Set app = rapp
    If app Is Nothing Then _
       Set app = Access.Application
    With app
        Set dbs = .CurrentDb
        Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
        .DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
        Set frm = .Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form

        For Each fld In qdf.Fields
           frm.Controls(fld.Name).ColumnOrder = _
              fld.OrdinalPosition + 1
        Next fld

        .DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    End With
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

Hi Shamil

Bright idea! I hate when I have to say Yes to save the SQL of the query and
I forgot to rearrange a column I have moved for some reason. Now I can just
run this routine.

The function can be simplified a bit by just using the count of fields:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim index As Integer
Dim frm As Access.Form
    
    Set app = Access.Application
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    app.DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = app.Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    
    For index = 0 To qdf.Fields.Count - 1
       frm.Controls(index).ColumnOrder = index + 1
    Next
    
    app.DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 30-03-2007 19:17 >>>
Hi John,

Here is how column order can be "reset" to the column order in QBE grid:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim index As Integer
Dim frm As Access.Form
Dim ctl As Access.Control
    Set app = Access.Application
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    app.DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = app.Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    index = 1
    For Each fld In qdf.Fields
       Set ctl = frm.Controls(fld.Name)
       ctl.ColumnOrder = index
       index = index + 1
    Next fld
    app.DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

I have just "cooked" this code as a sample - it seems to work not bad but
please test it carefully if you plan to use it in production...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

I have no idea what happens if you don't either.  I believe that it does NOT
save your changes.  However if you DO save the changes, then the positions
in design view do not match the positions in data view, and I have never
discovered a way to "reset" them to match.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

You mean, if you don't save the datasheet view, the query retains the new
positions? I don't think I've ever paid any attention to this -- seems like
I'm always asked to save the query -- but really, never paid attention to
what happens if I don't. Or, am I someplace totally different that you guys?

Susan H. 

In a query's datasheet view you can easily drag the columns around.
 
Is there any way to reset them back to the way they are positioned in the
query grid?

The only way I have found to do this is to create a new query and just copy
the SQL statement to the new one. 
Is there a easier way, or maybe a menu option?
-- 
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sun Apr  1 06:32:35 2007
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:32:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Data source for PivotTable-Form in ACCESS 2000
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEOCCOAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Hi, this drives me crazy,
4 years ago I defined in an ACCESS 2000 application a "PivotTable-Form". The
resulting EXCEL table inclusive the "Data update" works perfect. I now want
to update/change the query for the "Data Source" but cannot find which query
is behind the  "PivotTable-Form" or behind the resulting EXCEL spreadsheet.
When editing the  properties for the "PivotTable-Form" or the EXCEL
spreadsheet the "Data Source" is  always blank.
Question: Where does Access 2000 or EXCEL 2000 hide the respective data
source  (Query)??

Helmut



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 06:45:30 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:45:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s60fb792.053@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Sorry for the confusion. I assumed that John is operating in Access where the numeric value will be converted by the driver to match that of SQL Server by shifting the value by -2. Thus:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (0)

will insert the date 1899-12-30.

However, if John operates within SQL Server - for example by executing a pass-through query like:

  insert into dbo.timetable (timefield) values (0)

you are of course right - that date will be 1900-1-1.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 01-04-2007 12:03 >>>
On 1 Apr 2007 at 11:40, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John and Stuart
> 
> It's easier than that; it behaves exactly like in Access (JET) except for
> two things:
> 
>  - SQL Server time is limited to real linear dates only, back to 1753-1-1,
>  where JET goes back to an artificial value of 100-1-1. - SQL Server
>  millisecond resolution is only 3.33 ms while JET goes down to 1 ms.
> 
> Thus, the date of numeric date value zero is the same for both: 1899-12-30.
> This can be easily shown if you format a date/time field from SQL Server to
> a string which always include the date:

Unfortunately, that's not  true. 

In Access Date 0 is 1899-12-30, but in SQL server it is 1900-1-1.

>From Transact SQL Help in BOL:
Values with the datetime data type are stored internally by Microsoft SQL 
Server as two 4-byte integers. The first 4 bytes store the number of days 
before or after the base date, January 1, 1900. The base date is the system 
reference date. Values for datetime earlier than January 1, 1753, are not 
permitted. The other 4 bytes store the time of day represented as the 
number of milliseconds after midnight.

The smalldatetime data type stores dates and times of day with less 
precision than datetime. SQL Server stores smalldatetime values as two 2-
byte integers. The first 2 bytes store the number of days after January 1, 
1900. The other 2 bytes store the number of minutes since midnight. Dates 
range from January 1, 1900, through June 6, 2079, with accuracy to the 
minute.



-- 
Stuart



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 06:49:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:49:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Column Positions
Message-ID: <s60fb864.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Thanks, that explains. I will note this, should I ever have to do some serious programming in VBA outside Access.

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 01-04-2007 12:52 >>>
Hi Gustav,

With Access.Application parameter passed as optional you "reserve"
opportunity to easily use the same code in Access Automation scenarios. I
also often (in my "previous life" when I programmed a lot on VBA) did use:

Optional ByRef rdbs as DAO.Database = Nothing

That "saved my life" many times when the database to work with wasn't
CurrentDB. For this subject case it's not needed because this code always
operates with CurrenDb...

The usage of:

    With app

Is used to not have costly Automation "round-trip" of getting reference of
MS Access instance. It's not needed when Access Automation is not used.

Using explicit:

app.DoCmd...
..
App.CurrentDb ..

Is good programming style IMO - when used that way then you get automatic
habit to use it simira way when programming MS Word/MS Exce/... Automation -
then copy & paste code between different VBA hosts will never result in
(unexpectedly) activating/running "ghost" background instances of MS
Access/Word/Excel/..., which are often not easy to "catch" where they come
from, to "kill" them etc...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

Hi Shamil

If this is in an Access environment, are there any benefits by specifying
the Access Application object?
Normally I don't use it - I'm mostly in Access - but maybe I should?




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 06:54:01 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:54:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <s60fb792.053@cactus.dk>
References: <s60fb792.053@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002601c77454$75812020$657aa8c0@m6805>

In fact my question was more simple than that.  I have values in the date
fields that are #12:00:00 AM# for example.  Those values are NOT valid in
SQL Server, or at least will not upsize correctly.  I had to find and fix
all such values by adding some date to them to make them #1/1/1800 12:00:00
AM#.  Once I did that, the table with such fields would upsize.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi Stuart

Sorry for the confusion. I assumed that John is operating in Access where
the numeric value will be converted by the driver to match that of SQL
Server by shifting the value by -2. Thus:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (0)

will insert the date 1899-12-30.

However, if John operates within SQL Server - for example by executing a
pass-through query like:

  insert into dbo.timetable (timefield) values (0)

you are of course right - that date will be 1900-1-1.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 01-04-2007 12:03 >>>
On 1 Apr 2007 at 11:40, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John and Stuart
> 
> It's easier than that; it behaves exactly like in Access (JET) except 
> for two things:
> 
>  - SQL Server time is limited to real linear dates only, back to 
> 1753-1-1,  where JET goes back to an artificial value of 100-1-1. - 
> SQL Server  millisecond resolution is only 3.33 ms while JET goes down to
1 ms.
> 
> Thus, the date of numeric date value zero is the same for both:
1899-12-30.
> This can be easily shown if you format a date/time field from SQL 
> Server to a string which always include the date:

Unfortunately, that's not  true. 

In Access Date 0 is 1899-12-30, but in SQL server it is 1900-1-1.

>From Transact SQL Help in BOL:
Values with the datetime data type are stored internally by Microsoft SQL
Server as two 4-byte integers. The first 4 bytes store the number of days
before or after the base date, January 1, 1900. The base date is the system
reference date. Values for datetime earlier than January 1, 1753, are not
permitted. The other 4 bytes store the time of day represented as the number
of milliseconds after midnight.

The smalldatetime data type stores dates and times of day with less
precision than datetime. SQL Server stores smalldatetime values as two 2-
byte integers. The first 2 bytes store the number of days after January 1,
1900. The other 2 bytes store the number of minutes since midnight. Dates
range from January 1, 1900, through June 6, 2079, with accuracy to the
minute.



--
Stuart

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 07:10:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:10:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s60fbd6f.055@cactus.dk>

Hi John

That is strange - or it may be a limitation in the upsize wizard - as #12:00:00 AM# is a perfectly valid date value in Access.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 13:54 >>>
In fact my question was more simple than that.  I have values in the date
fields that are #12:00:00 AM# for example.  Those values are NOT valid in
SQL Server, or at least will not upsize correctly.  I had to find and fix
all such values by adding some date to them to make them #1/1/1800 12:00:00
AM#.  Once I did that, the table with such fields would upsize.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 07:13:16 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:13:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table
Message-ID: <002701c77457$23ef98b0$657aa8c0@m6805>

In an Access database the PKID (autonumber) of a table is available the
instant after doing the insert or AddNew, so I would use code such as:
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
        .Close
    End With

the code line
 
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID

fails when used in SQL Server because the ID is not yet valid.  How do I
work around this when the table is out in SQL Server?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 07:30:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:30:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table
Message-ID: <s60fc203.056@cactus.dk>

Hi John

That depends, but I guess you need the classic function (session scope) of @@IDENTITY.
Here's an explanation:

  http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=319

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 14:13 >>>
In an Access database the PKID (autonumber) of a table is available the
instant after doing the insert or AddNew, so I would use code such as:
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
        .Close
    End With

the code line
 
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID

fails when used in SQL Server because the ID is not yet valid.  How do I
work around this when the table is out in SQL Server?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Sun Apr  1 08:05:49 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:05:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RSS
In-Reply-To: <003d01c773ed$e2336190$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003d01c773ed$e2336190$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200704012305.52457.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

On Sunday 01 April 2007 09:39, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> Only as a consumer.  We've got an RSS feed on our website
> www.thesleepadvisor.com but my webmistress takes care of it all.  Adding it
> to a web site seemed pretty simple, though.  You can probably see the
> source code on the page yourself.  Wouldn't make any sense to me.
>
> Rocky
>

Rocky, 

The "CD" image on the home page 404's.  
<a>http://www.thesleepadvisor.com/order.html</a> doesn't seem to exist.

bruce


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 08:55:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:55:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Graphic Image Control
Message-ID: <001101c77465$5f4b7c90$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
Does anyone know of an image control that would allow you to zoom in and
scroll around an image?
 
TIA
 
Rocky
 


 	
	


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 09:11:18 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:11:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RSS
In-Reply-To: <200704012305.52457.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <001e01c77467$9e4194a0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Bruce:

The order page is http://www.thesleepadvisor.com/order.php

It comes up OK here.  Try the reload button.  Maybe an old version is still
in your cache. 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 6:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RSS

On Sunday 01 April 2007 09:39, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> Only as a consumer.  We've got an RSS feed on our website 
> www.thesleepadvisor.com but my webmistress takes care of it all.  
> Adding it to a web site seemed pretty simple, though.  You can 
> probably see the source code on the page yourself.  Wouldn't make any
sense to me.
>
> Rocky
>

Rocky, 

The "CD" image on the home page 404's.  
<a>http://www.thesleepadvisor.com/order.html</a> doesn't seem to exist.

bruce
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 09:33:53 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:33:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Graphic Image Control
Message-ID: <s60fdefc.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

I can recommend csXImage:

  http://www.chestysoft.com/ximage

It can zoom in several ways:

  http://www.chestysoft.com/ximage/manual.htm#sect8

It's about USD 150, but the support is excellent.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 01-04-2007 15:55 >>>
Dear List:
 
Does anyone know of an image control that would allow you to zoom in and scroll around an image?
 
TIA
 
Rocky



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 10:02:55 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:02:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Graphic Image Control
In-Reply-To: <s60fdefc.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002501c7746e$d42a6040$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Thanks Gustav.  Will forward to the guy who asked the question.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Graphic Image Control

Hi Rocky

I can recommend csXImage:

  http://www.chestysoft.com/ximage

It can zoom in several ways:

  http://www.chestysoft.com/ximage/manual.htm#sect8

It's about USD 150, but the support is excellent.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 01-04-2007 15:55 >>>
Dear List:
 
Does anyone know of an image control that would allow you to zoom in and
scroll around an image?
 
TIA
 
Rocky

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 11:46:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:46:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <s60fbd6f.055@cactus.dk>
References: <s60fbd6f.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003901c7747d$442ccff0$657aa8c0@m6805>

It is valid in ACCESS, but may not be in SQL SERVER.  Or, as you say, it may
be a limitation of the upsize wizard.  All I know is that once I handled
these (and other date problems) the table moved.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

That is strange - or it may be a limitation in the upsize wizard - as
#12:00:00 AM# is a perfectly valid date value in Access.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 13:54 >>>
In fact my question was more simple than that.  I have values in the date
fields that are #12:00:00 AM# for example.  Those values are NOT valid in
SQL Server, or at least will not upsize correctly.  I had to find and fix
all such values by adding some date to them to make them #1/1/1800 12:00:00
AM#.  Once I did that, the table with such fields would upsize.

John W. Colby
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 12:03:08 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:03:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk>

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 18:46 >>>
It is valid in ACCESS, but may not be in SQL SERVER.  Or, as you say, it may
be a limitation of the upsize wizard.  All I know is that once I handled
these (and other date problems) the table moved.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

That is strange - or it may be a limitation in the upsize wizard - as
#12:00:00 AM# is a perfectly valid date value in Access.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 13:54 >>>
In fact my question was more simple than that.  I have values in the date
fields that are #12:00:00 AM# for example.  Those values are NOT valid in
SQL Server, or at least will not upsize correctly.  I had to find and fix
all such values by adding some date to them to make them #1/1/1800 12:00:00
AM#.  Once I did that, the table with such fields would upsize.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 12:17:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:17:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk>
References: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003c01c77481$9bd6d760$657aa8c0@m6805>

LOL, the upsizing wizard does not ETLL you what the problem is anymore,
although I think it used to.  Now it simply says "tblXXX failed to upsize".
>From past experience I knew that dates were a problem.  The "other date
problems" were dates before the valid date range of SQL Server.  Data entry
errors had left dates of 1/23/0931 for example where the intent was
1/23/1931.  Anything in 0931 is an invalid date to SQL Server but quite
valid to Access.  Likewise I had fields that only contained a date, using
the Time() function of VBA.  These are date fields that now contain
something like #13:53:02# with NO DATE.  These also failed to upsize until I
placed a bogus date in front of the time.  

The upsizing wizard used to IIRC update the table but generate an error
report with a list of records that failed to upsize.  Now (Access 2003) it
just silently fails and simply reports "tblXXX failed to upsize".  No clue
at all what went wrong.  I happen to know from hard experience that dates
caused me problems last time, and were in fact the ONLY thing that caused me
problems in the upsizing wizard, so I went looking for bad dates in the
specific tables that refused to upsize.  Sure enough, that is what I found.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of
Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Sun Apr  1 12:22:54 2007
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:22:54 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BA36@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

John,

If you're working with linked SQL server tables in Access the LastModified
property does the trick for me in a DAO recordset.  I don't know if it's
available in an ADO recordset like you are using but the following is how it
might be used.
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        .Update
        .BookMark = .LastModified
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Close
    End With

HTH
Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: JWColby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table


In an Access database the PKID (autonumber) of a table is available the
instant after doing the insert or AddNew, so I would use code such as:
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
        .Close
    End With

the code line
 
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID

fails when used in SQL Server because the ID is not yet valid.  How do I
work around this when the table is out in SQL Server?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Apr  1 12:46:34 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:46:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <003c01c77481$9bd6d760$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk> <003c01c77481$9bd6d760$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000c01c77485$b1579d50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

This is a side question - are you using the Access upsizing tool or the SSMA
upsizing tool?

Also, I know of a tool (I haven't used it) you can purchase from a company
which provides a list of issues to look at prior to upsizing.  It's at
http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/UpsizingPRO/.  They also have a free trial
version.

I just looked at their site - their take on SSMA is that it's 'Not Ready'!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

LOL, the upsizing wizard does not ETLL you what the problem is anymore,
although I think it used to.  Now it simply says "tblXXX failed to upsize".
>From past experience I knew that dates were a problem.  The "other date
problems" were dates before the valid date range of SQL Server.  Data entry
errors had left dates of 1/23/0931 for example where the intent was
1/23/1931.  Anything in 0931 is an invalid date to SQL Server but quite
valid to Access.  Likewise I had fields that only contained a date, using
the Time() function of VBA.  These are date fields that now contain
something like #13:53:02# with NO DATE.  These also failed to upsize until I
placed a bogus date in front of the time.  

The upsizing wizard used to IIRC update the table but generate an error
report with a list of records that failed to upsize.  Now (Access 2003) it
just silently fails and simply reports "tblXXX failed to upsize".  No clue
at all what went wrong.  I happen to know from hard experience that dates
caused me problems last time, and were in fact the ONLY thing that caused me
problems in the upsizing wizard, so I went looking for bad dates in the
specific tables that refused to upsize.  Sure enough, that is what I found.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of
Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav

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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Apr  1 12:55:42 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:55:42 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36>

hey group,
I use the follown union

SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
FROM [MT_basic_char]

UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection], 
[IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];

because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a [Title] 
either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking to 
get back a searching form on that Union Query
something like the default msaccess's

    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70

but on that specific Union Query

many thank's
/kostas 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 12:57:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:57:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <000c01c77485$b1579d50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk> <003c01c77481$9bd6d760$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000c01c77485$b1579d50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <004401c77487$414eaab0$657aa8c0@m6805>

I used the Access upsizing tool.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John,

This is a side question - are you using the Access upsizing tool or the SSMA
upsizing tool?

Also, I know of a tool (I haven't used it) you can purchase from a company
which provides a list of issues to look at prior to upsizing.  It's at
http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/UpsizingPRO/.  They also have a free trial
version.

I just looked at their site - their take on SSMA is that it's 'Not Ready'!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

LOL, the upsizing wizard does not ETLL you what the problem is anymore,
although I think it used to.  Now it simply says "tblXXX failed to upsize".
>From past experience I knew that dates were a problem.  The "other date
problems" were dates before the valid date range of SQL Server.  Data entry
errors had left dates of 1/23/0931 for example where the intent was
1/23/1931.  Anything in 0931 is an invalid date to SQL Server but quite
valid to Access.  Likewise I had fields that only contained a date, using
the Time() function of VBA.  These are date fields that now contain
something like #13:53:02# with NO DATE.  These also failed to upsize until I
placed a bogus date in front of the time.  

The upsizing wizard used to IIRC update the table but generate an error
report with a list of records that failed to upsize.  Now (Access 2003) it
just silently fails and simply reports "tblXXX failed to upsize".  No clue
at all what went wrong.  I happen to know from hard experience that dates
caused me problems last time, and were in fact the ONLY thing that caused me
problems in the upsizing wizard, so I went looking for bad dates in the
specific tables that refused to upsize.  Sure enough, that is what I found.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of
Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 13:00:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:00:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BA36@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BA36@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <004501c77487$9db43b30$657aa8c0@m6805>

And in fact that is just what I did (more or less).  Since this is framework
code I strive for "any environment" so I changed it to  

        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
	  On Error resume next
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
	  if mlngLogID =0 then
            mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
	  endif
        .Close

The first will work correctly for an MDB and if the value is still zero then
the second picks up the slack.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table

John,

If you're working with linked SQL server tables in Access the LastModified
property does the trick for me in a DAO recordset.  I don't know if it's
available in an ADO recordset like you are using but the following is how it
might be used.
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        .Update
        .BookMark = .LastModified
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Close
    End With

HTH
Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: JWColby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table


In an Access database the PKID (autonumber) of a table is available the
instant after doing the insert or AddNew, so I would use code such as:
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
        .Close
    End With

the code line
 
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID

fails when used in SQL Server because the ID is not yet valid.  How do I
work around this when the table is out in SQL Server?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Apr  1 13:08:50 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:08:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
In-Reply-To: <008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36>
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk> <008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36>
Message-ID: <000d01c77488$cd213bb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Kostas,

Off the top of my head, there is a wizard in Access to write a 'Look for
Duplicates' query.  You should be able to run it against this Union query.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...

hey group,
I use the follown union

SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
FROM [MT_basic_char]

UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection], 
[IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];

because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a [Title] 
either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking to 
get back a searching form on that Union Query
something like the default msaccess's

    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70

but on that specific Union Query

many thank's
/kostas 


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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Apr  1 13:20:23 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:20:23 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk> <008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36>
	<000d01c77488$cd213bb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00af01c7748a$716ce7e0$6701a8c0@kost36>

Hi Dev,
may be I was not so specific in my previous message.
So, what I want to know is not the duplicates records general
but typing a Title to know if that record there is into the database

thank's
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...


> Hi Kostas,
>
> Off the top of my head, there is a wizard in Access to write a 'Look for
> Duplicates' query.  You should be able to run it against this Union query.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>
> hey group,
> I use the follown union
>
> SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
> FROM [MT_basic_char]
>
> UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection],
> [IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
> FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];
>
> because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a 
> [Title]
> either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
> I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking to
> get back a searching form on that Union Query
> something like the default msaccess's
>
>    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
>    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70
>
> but on that specific Union Query
>
> many thank's
> /kostas
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Apr  1 13:39:40 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:39:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
In-Reply-To: <00af01c7748a$716ce7e0$6701a8c0@kost36>
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk>
	<008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36><000d01c77488$cd213bb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00af01c7748a$716ce7e0$6701a8c0@kost36>
Message-ID: <001101c7748d$1bfec280$0200a8c0@danwaters>

This is what I do:

Dim stg as String
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset

stg = "SELECT Title FROM tblName" _
	    & " WHERE Title = '" & txtTitle & "'"
Set rst = Currentdb.Openrecordset(stg,dbopensnapshot)
If rst.EOF = False then
	Msgbox txtTitle & " already exists!"
End if
rst.close
Set rst = nothing


Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...

Hi Dev,
may be I was not so specific in my previous message.
So, what I want to know is not the duplicates records general
but typing a Title to know if that record there is into the database

thank's
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...


> Hi Kostas,
>
> Off the top of my head, there is a wizard in Access to write a 'Look for
> Duplicates' query.  You should be able to run it against this Union query.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>
> hey group,
> I use the follown union
>
> SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
> FROM [MT_basic_char]
>
> UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection],
> [IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
> FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];
>
> because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a 
> [Title]
> either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
> I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking to
> get back a searching form on that Union Query
> something like the default msaccess's
>
>    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
>    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70
>
> but on that specific Union Query
>
> many thank's
> /kostas
>
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Apr  1 15:32:39 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:32:39 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk><008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36><000d01c77488$cd213bb0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00af01c7748a$716ce7e0$6701a8c0@kost36>
	<001101c7748d$1bfec280$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <011901c7749c$ec0354f0$6701a8c0@kost36>

I found an excellent job by Terry Kreft and Dev Ashish
doing exactly what I need
Search Tips: Version 2.6 from http://mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm 
Find Record 2000

Dan and Dev thank's a lot for your response

/kostas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...


> This is what I do:
>
> Dim stg as String
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
>
> stg = "SELECT Title FROM tblName" _
>     & " WHERE Title = '" & txtTitle & "'"
> Set rst = Currentdb.Openrecordset(stg,dbopensnapshot)
> If rst.EOF = False then
> Msgbox txtTitle & " already exists!"
> End if
> rst.close
> Set rst = nothing
>
>
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>
> Hi Dev,
> may be I was not so specific in my previous message.
> So, what I want to know is not the duplicates records general
> but typing a Title to know if that record there is into the database
>
> thank's
> /kostas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>
>
>> Hi Kostas,
>>
>> Off the top of my head, there is a wizard in Access to write a 'Look for
>> Duplicates' query.  You should be able to run it against this Union 
>> query.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
>> Konstantinidis
>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:56 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>>
>> hey group,
>> I use the follown union
>>
>> SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
>> FROM [MT_basic_char]
>>
>> UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection],
>> [IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
>> FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];
>>
>> because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a
>> [Title]
>> either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
>> I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking 
>> to
>> get back a searching form on that Union Query
>> something like the default msaccess's
>>
>>    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
>>    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70
>>
>> but on that specific Union Query
>>
>> many thank's
>> /kostas
>>
>>
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Apr  1 16:51:08 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:51:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source property?
Message-ID: <000c01c774a7$db729af0$1bb82ad1@SusanOne>

A literal SQL string or a fixed query? 

Susan H. 



From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sun Apr  1 17:49:39 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:49:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source
	property?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c774a7$db729af0$1bb82ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c774b0$08f7c470$2101a8c0@AB>

Same:
Behind the scenes Access creates a fixed query for the literal string.
You can see the hidden fixed query which is prefixed by a "~" using
following code in a form module:
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    For Each qdf In dbs.QueryDefs
        Debug.Print qdf.Name
    Next qdf

Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 1. april 2007 23:51
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source property?

A literal SQL string or a fixed query? 

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Apr  1 18:25:33 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:25:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row
	Sourceproperty?
In-Reply-To: <000001c774b0$08f7c470$2101a8c0@AB>
References: <000c01c774a7$db729af0$1bb82ad1@SusanOne>
	<000001c774b0$08f7c470$2101a8c0@AB>
Message-ID: <001601c774b5$0c332710$dd34fad1@SusanOne>

Well, that's interesting. I couldn't really identify any of mine to a
specific control object though. 

So, do you think there's no appreciable difference between the two then --
as a performance issue? It seems to me, that pure SQL should always be
faster, regardless of how Access communicates it to Jet. 

Susan H. 

Same:
Behind the scenes Access creates a fixed query for the literal string.
You can see the hidden fixed query which is prefixed by a "~" using
following code in a form module:
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    For Each qdf In dbs.QueryDefs
        Debug.Print qdf.Name
    Next qdf

Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 1. april 2007 23:51
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source property?

A literal SQL string or a fixed query? 

Susan H. 

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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sun Apr  1 19:14:24 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:14:24 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's RowSourceproperty?
In-Reply-To: <001601c774b5$0c332710$dd34fad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000101c774bb$e4d3f170$2101a8c0@AB>

Hi Susan,
A fixed query is precompiled, making it faster than a pure SQL statement.
That's why Access's performance-analyser in older versions recommended using
stored (fixed/persisted) queries as record-sources and control-sources.
Newer versions of Access - I don't remember when, but I think after 97 -
doesn?t make this recommendation.
Reason: not that pure SQL is faster, but because Access creates the
persisted and precompiled query by itself.
I always use pure SQL statements because I don't want to fill up my pane of
query-objects in Access, and because it makes my forms and reports much more
immune to cleaning up of queries: ever tried to delete an "obsolete" stored
query, which was actually used by some component? I guess.

Asger


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 2. april 2007 01:26
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's RowSourceproperty?

Well, that's interesting. I couldn't really identify any of mine to a
specific control object though. 

So, do you think there's no appreciable difference between the two then --
as a performance issue? It seems to me, that pure SQL should always be
faster, regardless of how Access communicates it to Jet. 

Susan H. 

Same:
Behind the scenes Access creates a fixed query for the literal string.
You can see the hidden fixed query which is prefixed by a "~" using
following code in a form module:
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    For Each qdf In dbs.QueryDefs
        Debug.Print qdf.Name
    Next qdf

Asger

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Emne: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source property?

A literal SQL string or a fixed query? 

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Apr  1 20:25:01 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:25:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's RowSourceproperty?
In-Reply-To: <000101c774bb$e4d3f170$2101a8c0@AB>
References: <001601c774b5$0c332710$dd34fad1@SusanOne>
	<000101c774bb$e4d3f170$2101a8c0@AB>
Message-ID: <002301c774c5$bce74180$dd34fad1@SusanOne>

 
Access, and because it makes my forms and reports much more immune to
cleaning up of queries: ever tried to delete an "obsolete" stored query,
which was actually used by some component? I guess.

=========I have to admit, I have. ;) 

Susan H. 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  2 02:22:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:22:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s610cb57.065@cactus.dk>

Hi John

OK, the year 931 is clearly out of the range for SQL Server.
The "missing" date from the time-only records must represent a bug in the upsizer tool.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 19:17 >>>
LOL, the upsizing wizard does not ETLL you what the problem is anymore,
although I think it used to.  Now it simply says "tblXXX failed to upsize".
>From past experience I knew that dates were a problem.  The "other date
problems" were dates before the valid date range of SQL Server.  Data entry
errors had left dates of 1/23/0931 for example where the intent was
1/23/1931.  Anything in 0931 is an invalid date to SQL Server but quite
valid to Access.  Likewise I had fields that only contained a date, using
the Time() function of VBA.  These are date fields that now contain
something like #13:53:02# with NO DATE.  These also failed to upsize until I
placed a bogus date in front of the time.  

The upsizing wizard used to IIRC update the table but generate an error
report with a list of records that failed to upsize.  Now (Access 2003) it
just silently fails and simply reports "tblXXX failed to upsize".  No clue
at all what went wrong.  I happen to know from hard experience that dates
caused me problems last time, and were in fact the ONLY thing that caused me
problems in the upsizing wizard, so I went looking for bad dates in the
specific tables that refused to upsize.  Sure enough, that is what I found.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of
Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Apr  2 04:34:57 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 9:34:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
Message-ID: <20070402083500.7257E2B8D4F@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi William
Only just spotted this. You've probably done it by now, but..

I have an MDB which runs on a nightly schedule. What it does is slightly
different from yours in that it measures the difference in size between the
the live BE (well a copy actually) and one which it Compacts. It then emails
me telling me by how much the BE would shrink if I threw everyone out of the
system to run a compact. It's only a few lines of code and nothing you
couldn't do in your sleep but you're welcome to it if it's any use.

--
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: 31 March 2007 22:23
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
>
>
> ...I want to monitor the size of my be mdb's and gen an
> e-mail if they grow
> by a certain percentage in a given time frame ...has anyone
> already done
> this and have a solution they're willing to share?
>
> William Hindman
>


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From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Apr  2 04:52:40 2007
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:52:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
References: <20070402083500.7257E2B8D4F@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <016101c77510$cf92cf20$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Andy,
me too, please, if is possible...
Many thanks in advance,
    Ervin
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From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size


> Hi William
> Only just spotted this. You've probably done it by now, but..
>
> I have an MDB which runs on a nightly schedule. What it does is slightly
> different from yours in that it measures the difference in size between 
> the
> the live BE (well a copy actually) and one which it Compacts. It then 
> emails
> me telling me by how much the BE would shrink if I threw everyone out of 
> the
> system to run a compact. It's only a few lines of code and nothing you
> couldn't do in your sleep but you're welcome to it if it's any use.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> William Hindman
>> Sent: 31 March 2007 22:23
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
>>
>>
>> ...I want to monitor the size of my be mdb's and gen an
>> e-mail if they grow
>> by a certain percentage in a given time frame ...has anyone
>> already done
>> this and have a solution they're willing to share?
>>
>> William Hindman
>>
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Apr  2 06:53:30 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:53:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
Message-ID: <20070402105334.567F44FEC5@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Well there's not a lot to it really
=================================

Function CompactRepair()
Const strOldMDB As String = "X:\y\z\your.mdb"   'Amend as necessary
Const strNewMDB As String = "X:\y\z\Compacted.mdb"

Dim strSubject As String
Dim lngOldSize As Long
Dim lngNewSize As Long
Dim lngChange As Long
Dim lngOldSizeKB As Long
Dim lngNewSizeKB As Long
Dim lngChangeKB As Long
Dim lngOldSizeMB As Long
Dim lngNewSizeMB As Long
Dim lngChangeMB As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim strSQL As String


On Error GoTo Repair_Err
lngOldSize = FileLen(strOldMDB)
DBEngine.RepairDatabase strOldMDB

On Error Resume Next
Kill strNewMDB
On Error GoTo Compact_Err
DBEngine.CompactDatabase strOldMDB, strNewMDB
lngNewSize = FileLen(strNewMDB)
lngChange = lngOldSize - lngNewSize

lngOldSizeKB = lngOldSize / 1024
lngNewSizeKB = lngNewSize / 1024
lngChangeKB = lngChange / 1024
lngOldSizeMB = lngOldSizeKB / 1024
lngNewSizeMB = lngNewSizeKB / 1024
lngChangeMB = lngChangeKB / 1024

strSubject = "Repair & Compact: SUCCESS " & lngOldSizeMB & "mb To " &
lngNewSizeMB & "mb (saving " & lngChangeMB & "mb)"

'My email routine takes two parameters - body and subject. You'll do your
own thing no doubt.
Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Repair and Compact of " & strOldMDB & " ran
successfully" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
& "Old Size " & Format(lngOldSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _
& "New Size " & Format(lngNewSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _
& "Reduction Of " & Format(lngChangeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
& "NOTE THAT THIS HAS ONLY BEEN RUN ON AN OFF-LINE COPY OF TITUSDAT.MDB FOR
INFORMATION PURPOSES." _
, strSubject)

'I also keep a record in a stats table
strSQL = "INSERT INTO COMPSTAT (CST_DATE, CST_FROM, CST_TO) VALUES(Now()," &
lngOldSizeKB & ", " & lngNewSizeKB & ")"
Set db = CurrentDb
db.Execute strSQL

CompactRepair_Exit:
On Error Resume Next
db.Close: Set db = Nothing
Exit Function

Repair_Err:
strSubject = "Repair & Compact: FAILED"
Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Repair of " & strOldMDB & " failed with error " &
Err & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & Err.Description, strSubject)
Resume CompactRepair_Exit
Resume 0

Compact_Err:
strSubject = "Repair & Compact: FAILED"
Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Compact of " & strOldMDB & " failed with error " &
Err & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & Err.Description, strSubject)
Resume CompactRepair_Exit
Resume 0

End Function
==========================================


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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
Date: 02/04/07 10:25


Andy,
me too, please, if is possible...
Many thanks in advance,
Ervin
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From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size


> Hi William
> Only just spotted this. You've probably done it by now, but..
>
> I have an MDB which runs on a nightly schedule. What it does is slightly
> different from yours in that it measures the difference in size between
> the
> the live BE (well a copy actually) and one which it Compacts. It then
> emails
> me telling me by how much the BE would shrink if I threw everyone out of
> the
> system to run a compact. It's only a few lines of code and nothing you
> couldn't do in your sleep but you're welcome to it if it's any use.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> William Hindman
>> Sent: 31 March 2007 22:23
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
>>
>>
>> ...I want to monitor the size of my be mdb's and gen an
>> e-mail if they grow
>> by a certain percentage in a given time frame ...has anyone
>> already done
>> this and have a solution they're willing to share?
>>
>> William Hindman
>>
>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  2 06:31:59 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:31:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
Message-ID: <000901c7751a$872c5ee0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  2 06:51:40 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 04:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
Message-ID: <41363.41171.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You can do a passthrough query to the master database and execute this system stored procedure. 

EXEC SP_WHO
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



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From: JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:31:59 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server


Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Apr  2 07:50:38 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:50:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
References: <20070402105334.567F44FEC5@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000901c77525$847c8020$982b124c@50nm721>

Andy

...thanks much ...I did find some code over on Dev's site that looked like 
it might be adapted to what I wanted ...but your's looks like it should do 
the job nicely ...I'll give it a shot ..tks again.

William Hindman

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From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size


> Well there's not a lot to it really
> =================================
>
> Function CompactRepair()
> Const strOldMDB As String = "X:\y\z\your.mdb"   'Amend as necessary
> Const strNewMDB As String = "X:\y\z\Compacted.mdb"
>
> Dim strSubject As String
> Dim lngOldSize As Long
> Dim lngNewSize As Long
> Dim lngChange As Long
> Dim lngOldSizeKB As Long
> Dim lngNewSizeKB As Long
> Dim lngChangeKB As Long
> Dim lngOldSizeMB As Long
> Dim lngNewSizeMB As Long
> Dim lngChangeMB As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim strSQL As String
>
>
> On Error GoTo Repair_Err
> lngOldSize = FileLen(strOldMDB)
> DBEngine.RepairDatabase strOldMDB
>
> On Error Resume Next
> Kill strNewMDB
> On Error GoTo Compact_Err
> DBEngine.CompactDatabase strOldMDB, strNewMDB
> lngNewSize = FileLen(strNewMDB)
> lngChange = lngOldSize - lngNewSize
>
> lngOldSizeKB = lngOldSize / 1024
> lngNewSizeKB = lngNewSize / 1024
> lngChangeKB = lngChange / 1024
> lngOldSizeMB = lngOldSizeKB / 1024
> lngNewSizeMB = lngNewSizeKB / 1024
> lngChangeMB = lngChangeKB / 1024
>
> strSubject = "Repair & Compact: SUCCESS " & lngOldSizeMB & "mb To " &
> lngNewSizeMB & "mb (saving " & lngChangeMB & "mb)"
>
> 'My email routine takes two parameters - body and subject. You'll do your
> own thing no doubt.
> Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Repair and Compact of " & strOldMDB & " ran
> successfully" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
> & "Old Size " & Format(lngOldSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _
> & "New Size " & Format(lngNewSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _
> & "Reduction Of " & Format(lngChangeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf 
> _
> & "NOTE THAT THIS HAS ONLY BEEN RUN ON AN OFF-LINE COPY OF TITUSDAT.MDB 
> FOR
> INFORMATION PURPOSES." _
> , strSubject)
>
> 'I also keep a record in a stats table
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO COMPSTAT (CST_DATE, CST_FROM, CST_TO) VALUES(Now()," 
> &
> lngOldSizeKB & ", " & lngNewSizeKB & ")"
> Set db = CurrentDb
> db.Execute strSQL
>
> CompactRepair_Exit:
> On Error Resume Next
> db.Close: Set db = Nothing
> Exit Function
>
> Repair_Err:
> strSubject = "Repair & Compact: FAILED"
> Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Repair of " & strOldMDB & " failed with error " 
> &
> Err & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & Err.Description, strSubject)
> Resume CompactRepair_Exit
> Resume 0
>
> Compact_Err:
> strSubject = "Repair & Compact: FAILED"
> Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Compact of " & strOldMDB & " failed with error " 
> &
> Err & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & Err.Description, strSubject)
> Resume CompactRepair_Exit
> Resume 0
>
> End Function
> ==========================================
>
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
> Date: 02/04/07 10:25
>
>
> Andy,
> me too, please, if is possible...
> Many thanks in advance,
> Ervin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
>
>
>> Hi William
>> Only just spotted this. You've probably done it by now, but..
>>
>> I have an MDB which runs on a nightly schedule. What it does is slightly
>> different from yours in that it measures the difference in size between
>> the
>> the live BE (well a copy actually) and one which it Compacts. It then
>> emails
>> me telling me by how much the BE would shrink if I threw everyone out of
>> the
>> system to run a compact. It's only a few lines of code and nothing you
>> couldn't do in your sleep but you're welcome to it if it's any use.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> William Hindman
>>> Sent: 31 March 2007 22:23
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
>>>
>>>
>>> ...I want to monitor the size of my be mdb's and gen an
>>> e-mail if they grow
>>> by a certain percentage in a given time frame ...has anyone
>>> already done
>>> this and have a solution they're willing to share?
>>>
>>> William Hindman
>>>
>>
>
>
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  2 07:54:05 2007
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 05:54:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] VSTO and/or/vs Access 2007
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA25891E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <70344.76962.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thnx for the many replies and links! This was exactly
what I needed to find.

Summary,
It is possible to use .Net using Add-ins. However,
Charlotte is also correct in saying that it is not
possible to write .Net code in Access!

Regards,

Sander


--- Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
wrote:

> But those aren't created in Access, they're created
> in VS.Net and used
> as an add-in in Access.  Not the same thing at all
> as writing .Net code
> in Access.
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] VSTO and/or/vs Access 2007
> 
>
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa902693.aspx
> 
> <quote>
> Microsoft Office Access 2007 adds a new capability,
> making managed
> add-ins (that is, add-ins that run code created by
> using Microsoft
> Visual Studio 2005, written in either Microsoft
> Visual Basic or
> Microsoft Visual C#) both possible and relatively
> easy to create. Now
> you can use professional tools for creating managed
> applications, and
> incorporate the rich and powerful functionality of
> the Microsoft .NET
> Framework. 
> ...
> In this article, we demonstrate creating a simple
> add-in by using the
> Visual Studio Shared Add-in template. We provide
> code and instructions
> (in Visual Basic and in C#) so you can try this in
> the language that you
> prefer.
> </quote>  
> 
> On 29 Mar 2007 at 9:45, Martin Reid wrote:
> 
> > Sander
> > 
> > You can consume .NET components within Access and
> call web services 
> > etc. I have seen this done but haven't actually
> done it. From the 
> > other side you can use access within .net
> applications much like 
> > calling another database from a .NET application.
> > 
> > There are several web casts available on using
> Access 2003 and .NET
> > 
> > http://www.officeusers.org/see/26427
> > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/accesscook2/
> > 
> > But you may notice in all the tech stuff out there
> re Office and .NET 
> > Access gets little attention.
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > Martin WP Reid
> > Training and Assessment Unit
> > Riddle Hall
> > Belfast
> > 
> > tel: 02890 974477
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on
> behalf of Sad Der
> > Sent: Thu 29/03/2007 07:29
> > To: Acces User Group
> > Subject: [AccessD] VSTO and/or/vs Access 2007
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Can anybody provide with some
> links/info/docs/books etc about 
> > programming Access 2007 and what it's relation is
> with VSTO.
> > 
> > As I understand i can use vb.net / c# in Access
> 2007.
> > I cannot figure out how?!?!
> > When opening Access 2007 and going to code...I see
> vba.
> > In VS2005 I cannot find an Office project for
> access?!
> > 
> > Many TIA!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Sander
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr  2 09:05:46 2007
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:05:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003
In-Reply-To: <000901c773c2$d9d65320$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
References: <000901c773c2$d9d65320$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
Message-ID: <00cb01c77530$057210f0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>

MZ-Tools has a good replacement with many other tools also.

http://mztools.com/v3/download.htm 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Myke Myers
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:31 PM
To: 'Database Advisors'
Subject: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003

I've been using the Access 2000 XP MOD 'VBA Error Handler' for years and I
like it.
 
I installed Access 2003 on the same computer and the VBA Error Handler
appeared in the Visual Basic Add Ins and worked normally.
 
I installed Access 2003 on a new computer and I can't find a way to get 'VBA
Error Handler' installed. It's not in the Access 2003 Developer Extensions.
 
I've searched the web and Google Group with no success.
 
Anyone have a suggestion?
 
TIA,
 
Myke

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Mon Apr  2 09:47:17 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:47:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <41363.41171.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0JFV00KQYL2YKZ00@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

Sp_who and sp_who2 will give you processes and connections...not unique
users.

This gives you a count of processes connected to the specified database name

select count(*) from master.dbo.sysprocesses
where dbid = db_id('databasename') 

This gives you unique logins connected to the specified database name

select distinct loginame from master.dbo.sysprocesses
where loginame = 'userlogin'
and dbid = db_id('databasename')

NOTE: if your application's processes use one login for all users then you
won't get a true value. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

You can do a passthrough query to the master database and execute this
system stored procedure. 

EXEC SP_WHO
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases Visit me at ==>
http://www.prodev.us


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From: JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:31:59 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server


Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  2 11:13:03 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:13:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7733e$0683b550$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA25895B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00bb01c77338$e6dbb630$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000b01c7733e$0683b550$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258964@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 >Tyrants and dictators do things like this to stay in power

LOL Sounds like IT to me!

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny

Well, a company could set up some methodology where you have at least
two groups in house whose job it is to spy on each other, and create
situations for them to constantly distrust each other.  Then fire
someone once in a while and 'imply' it was for security reasons.  

Tyrants and dictators do things like this to stay in power.  Maybe it'll
work in IT too!

Dan



-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny

If I run short, I can make my own. :)

But all seriousness aside, our paper's business section seems to cover
them.
Maybe they've got a techie on staff.  San Diego is also very highly
wired.
So there's maybe more than average readership for this stuff.

But I was wondering if it's possible to stop an inside job.  If there is
some way to ultimately secure the data.  

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny

Hi Rocky:

You definitely seem to have to line on all the latest major database
errors.
:-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny

From: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070330/news_1b30tjx.html
 
TJX data breach now called world's largest
45.7 million cards were compromised
 
You can read the details yourself but this snip stood out:
 
The TJX case would "probably serve as a case study for computer security
and business students for years to come," said Beth Givens, director of
the San Diego-based Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. "This one could be
considered a worst-case scenario." 

One reason, Givens said, is because of TJX's disclosure late Wednesday
that it believed the hacker or hackers "had access to the decryption
tool for the encryption software utilized by TJX." 

Rocky

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  2 11:25:27 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:25:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c77530$057210f0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
References: <000901c773c2$d9d65320$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
	<00cb01c77530$057210f0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA25896A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I couldn't get by without MZ-Tools!  I even use it in VS 2005.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Myke Myers
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003

MZ-Tools has a good replacement with many other tools also.

http://mztools.com/v3/download.htm 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Myke Myers
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:31 PM
To: 'Database Advisors'
Subject: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003

I've been using the Access 2000 XP MOD 'VBA Error Handler' for years and
I like it.
 
I installed Access 2003 on the same computer and the VBA Error Handler
appeared in the Visual Basic Add Ins and worked normally.
 
I installed Access 2003 on a new computer and I can't find a way to get
'VBA Error Handler' installed. It's not in the Access 2003 Developer
Extensions.
 
I've searched the web and Google Group with no success.
 
Anyone have a suggestion?
 
TIA,
 
Myke

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Apr  2 13:24:05 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:24:05 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista
Message-ID: <20070402182248.PGCL19815.fep02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Group,

This was sent late Friday night but may have been overlooked in the 
excitement of the weekend.

Has anyone tested whether Access 97 runtime will run with Windows Vista?

Any potential problems to what out for?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Apr  2 14:00:02 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:00:02 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <20070402182248.PGCL19815.fep02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000601c77559$1e8f37b0$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello David,

My guess is that MS Access 97 runtime should work fine on MS Windows Vista.
MS Windows Vista is compatible and is based on "good old" MS Windows
95->98->(2000+XP+2003) versions - it's just 4% .NET based
(http://www.grimes.demon.co.uk/dotnet/vistaAndDotnet.htm ) and all the rest
is still (and will ever be?) COM-based...

I didn't test MS Access 97 on MS Windows Vista but I have MS Access 2003
installed and it worked OK...

VB6 works well on my MS Windows Vista system. I do not see why MS Access 97
runtime when properly installed (using SageKey scripts) should not work on
MS Windows Vista.

Just my guess...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista

Hi Group,

This was sent late Friday night but may have been overlooked in the 
excitement of the weekend.

Has anyone tested whether Access 97 runtime will run with Windows Vista?

Any potential problems to what out for?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Apr  2 14:51:24 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:51:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <20070402182248.PGCL19815.fep02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001301c77560$4bc2b430$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

David,

I don't know about the 97 runtime but I do know that Access XP runtimes
installed with Wise and Sagekey script installer do run on Vista, ours at
least.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista

Hi Group,

This was sent late Friday night but may have been overlooked in the
excitement of the weekend.

Has anyone tested whether Access 97 runtime will run with Windows Vista?

Any potential problems to what out for?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 04:24:39 2007
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 02:24:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error?
Message-ID: <814078.68357.qm@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I need to reset the
CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString value for
my ADP (2002)

When I try:
CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString =
strConnString

I get the error:
Operation is not allowed when the object is open.

This is true because the following returns false:
?CurrentProject.Connection.State = adStateClosed 

So before setting the new connectstring property I try
to close the connection but none of the below seem to
work, although they do NOT return an error!
Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
CurrentProject.CloseConnection
CurrentProject.Connection.Close 
set CurrentProject.Connection = nothing (?? just
trying)

Goal: How can I set a new connect string?

Regards,
Sander
PS: I asked this before and got some good answers.
Throughout the app several functions are used that use
CurrentProject.Connection. These are called hundreds
of times!! I do not want to modify that code.


 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  3 05:28:40 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:28:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error?
Message-ID: <s612488f.091@cactus.dk>

Hi Sander

I don't think you can cut the connection belonging to CurrentProject ... that would be like kicking your own feet away.
I guess you need to create a new Connection object and then use that for whatever your purpose is.

/gustav

>>> accessd666 at yahoo.com 03-04-2007 11:24:39 >>>
Hi,

I need to reset the
CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString value for
my ADP (2002)

When I try:
CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString =
strConnString

I get the error:
Operation is not allowed when the object is open.

This is true because the following returns false:
?CurrentProject.Connection.State = adStateClosed 

So before setting the new connectstring property I try
to close the connection but none of the below seem to
work, although they do NOT return an error!
Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
CurrentProject.CloseConnection
CurrentProject.Connection.Close 
set CurrentProject.Connection = nothing (?? just
trying)

Goal: How can I set a new connect string?

Regards,
Sander
PS: I asked this before and got some good answers.
Throughout the app several functions are used that use
CurrentProject.Connection. These are called hundreds
of times!! I do not want to modify that code.



From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 06:25:05 2007
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:25:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error?
In-Reply-To: <s612488f.091@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <103875.36919.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I need this because we need to set/check the
databaseconnection from outside the database e.g. an
ini file.

If it isn't possible to reset the connection to
another sql server, than we've got a problem....

As I said before. Throughout the code the
CurrentProject.Connection is used to set the
connectstring. I feel a Find/Replace comming on... Not
something I would like to do because I have to test
all changes. 

Sander
PS: There are few changes (1-3) on the database per
day but these can have major financial conseq. E.g.
values below ?100.000 are neglected!!

--- Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Sander
> 
> I don't think you can cut the connection belonging
> to CurrentProject ... that would be like kicking
> your own feet away.
> I guess you need to create a new Connection object
> and then use that for whatever your purpose is.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> accessd666 at yahoo.com 03-04-2007 11:24:39 >>>
> Hi,
> 
> I need to reset the
> CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString value for
> my ADP (2002)
> 
> When I try:
> CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString =
> strConnString
> 
> I get the error:
> Operation is not allowed when the object is open.
> 
> This is true because the following returns false:
> ?CurrentProject.Connection.State = adStateClosed 
> 
> So before setting the new connectstring property I
> try
> to close the connection but none of the below seem
> to
> work, although they do NOT return an error!
> Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
> CurrentProject.CloseConnection
> CurrentProject.Connection.Close 
> set CurrentProject.Connection = nothing (?? just
> trying)
> 
> Goal: How can I set a new connect string?
> 
> Regards,
> Sander
> PS: I asked this before and got some good answers.
> Throughout the app several functions are used that
> use
> CurrentProject.Connection. These are called hundreds
> of times!! I do not want to modify that code.
> 
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 07:10:30 2007
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error? SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <103875.36919.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <525747.82927.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gustav,

You're idea works...only 1.000.000 changes to go ;-)
Maybe a bit exadurated...

Regards,

Sander

--- Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I need this because we need to set/check the
> databaseconnection from outside the database e.g. an
> ini file.
> 
> If it isn't possible to reset the connection to
> another sql server, than we've got a problem....
> 
> As I said before. Throughout the code the
> CurrentProject.Connection is used to set the
> connectstring. I feel a Find/Replace comming on...
> Not
> something I would like to do because I have to test
> all changes. 
> 
> Sander
> PS: There are few changes (1-3) on the database per
> day but these can have major financial conseq. E.g.
> values below ?100.000 are neglected!!
> 
> --- Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sander
> > 
> > I don't think you can cut the connection belonging
> > to CurrentProject ... that would be like kicking
> > your own feet away.
> > I guess you need to create a new Connection object
> > and then use that for whatever your purpose is.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > >>> accessd666 at yahoo.com 03-04-2007 11:24:39 >>>
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I need to reset the
> > CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString value
> for
> > my ADP (2002)
> > 
> > When I try:
> > CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString =
> > strConnString
> > 
> > I get the error:
> > Operation is not allowed when the object is open.
> > 
> > This is true because the following returns false:
> > ?CurrentProject.Connection.State = adStateClosed 
> > 
> > So before setting the new connectstring property I
> > try
> > to close the connection but none of the below seem
> > to
> > work, although they do NOT return an error!
> > Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
> > CurrentProject.CloseConnection
> > CurrentProject.Connection.Close 
> > set CurrentProject.Connection = nothing (?? just
> > trying)
> > 
> > Goal: How can I set a new connect string?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sander
> > PS: I asked this before and got some good answers.
> > Throughout the app several functions are used that
> > use
> > CurrentProject.Connection. These are called
> hundreds
> > of times!! I do not want to modify that code.
> > 
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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Tue Apr  3 07:16:32 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:16:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error?
In-Reply-To: <103875.36919.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <103875.36919.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200704032216.35054.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

On Tuesday 03 April 2007 21:25, Sad Der wrote:
> I need this because we need to set/check the
> databaseconnection from outside the database e.g. an
> ini file.
..
>
> --- Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Sander
> >
> > I don't think you can cut the connection belonging
> > to CurrentProject ... that would be like kicking
> > your own feet away.
> > I guess you need to create a new Connection object
> > and then use that for whatever your purpose is.
> >
..

Sander,

You CANNOT do this, CurrentProject is just, sort of like [Me].

   set Me = SomeOneElse ... ???

I know that CurrentProject is just about a great way to shortcut
the local active connection, but it has it's pitfall's, and this
is it!

BTW: You can't even do this elsewhere.  Even in a true OO language 
you can't 
	( this <= this.base; }

or 
	{ this <= cMyAccount(YourAccount); }



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From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr  3 08:36:06 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:36:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <008401c71400$b96b21f0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <001e01c775f5$083448b0$0f01a8c0@officexp>

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem

It may be a windows event conflict.  I am not sure if the timer is an Access
thing or Access running a windows api.  I do know that if Outlook happens to
be sending or receiving when I try and send an email from Access an error is
generated.  This may be way out in left field but something to consider.

Doug 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem


I'll have to give this a try...but if it had any updates...they would have
to have been automatic...its an old box running 2K Server...and I haven't
run any updates in quite sometime.  The weird part for me...is I can run the
code from a button...but not a timer event???

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:12:25 -0500
>
>...have you tried a restore point before it started failing ...imnsho 
>Microsoft has returned to issuing updates without thoroughly vetting 
>them ...it seems everytime MS does an update these days, my phone 
>starts ringing :(
>
>William Hindman
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem
>
>
> >I am actually having a related issue right now.  I have a db that 
> >imports  data every 30 minutes...does an analysis...and emails 
> >results using  outlook.
> >  It worked fine for a year...and now outlook crashes almost 
> >everytime
>with
> > "An unknown Error".  If I execute the exact same code from a button 
> > instead of a timer, it runs fine...I'm lost at this time.  I need a 
> > way to send
>an
> > email without using outlook...I guess?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark A. Matte
> >
> >>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> >>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem
> >>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:09:03 +0100
> >>
> >>Hi Susan and Chris
> >>
> >>Oh, that's another story - I don't use Outlook - so I cannot help.
> >>Could it be an automatic Windows Updating issue?
> >>
> >>/gustav
> >>
> >> >>> ssharkins at setel.com 29-11-2006 17:40:32 >>>
> >>Gustav,
> >>
> >> This is something that Outlook seems to do on its own -- at least 
> >>on my system. An address that's worked for years will suddenly not 
> >>send. In the header, I can see the apostrophes. I delete the 
> >>address, re-enter it,
>and
> >>9
> >>times out of 10, it goes. No clue...
> >>
> >> In my case, there's no code involved -- this is all Outlook.
> >>
> >>Susan H.
> >>
> >>The obvious solution is to adjust your code to stop wrapping the 
> >>address in apostrophes.
> >>If, for some reason, that can't be done, change these to brackets like:
> >>
> >>   <johndoe at aol.com>
> >>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr  3 09:11:03 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:11:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <001e01c775f5$083448b0$0f01a8c0@officexp>
References: <008401c71400$b96b21f0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
	<001e01c775f5$083448b0$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <001b01c775f9$eb16e080$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
Windows OS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits





From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr  3 09:34:14 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:34:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <001b01c775f9$eb16e080$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <006401c775fd$27584360$0f01a8c0@officexp>

I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.

Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
can't figure out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

Hi John,

I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
Windows OS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  3 09:49:14 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:49:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <006401c775fd$27584360$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F16E7F21C2BEBD5BADD867ED2670@phx.gbl>

John,

I had a similar error recently...but not exactly the same...only some 
machine had the error...but all machines 'appeared' to be the same.  My 
problem was around DAO connections...in the VBA window, under 
tools...references...everyone had the same 3 things checked including DAO 
3.6

What I later found to be the problem was not what is checked...but what is 
available to be checked.  Apparently Access needs some of the old DLLs even 
though they are not checked in References.  My culprit was DAO 3.51. The 
machines that were having the problem with what seemed to be sound 
code...were indeed missing the 3.51 dll even though the db supposedly was 
not being used.  I copied the file to each machine, registered them...and 
everything worked fine.

Your error and mine weren't the same, but from what I can remember very 
similar...and both were good code and referenced automation.

at the time I found something on MS site describing the old dll missing 
issue...but I can't find it now.

Good Luck,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:34:14 -0400
>
>I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
>I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.
>
>Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
>can't figure out.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>
>Hi John,
>
>I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
>on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
>Windows OS.
>
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>
>I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.
>
>When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
>error.
>
>"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"
>
>The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
>2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install 
>on
>any of my other PCs.
>
>Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
>running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.
>
>I have totally removed Office and reinstalled.
>
>The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
>the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
>installing on this operating system"
>
>Anyone run into this yet.
>
>John Skolits
>
>
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Apr  3 09:56:05 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:56:05 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAA4@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

WAG. Is it possible the DAO reference was changed to an older version when
you installed VB or the ADO reference replaced the DAO? Just a thought.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue


I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.

Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
can't figure out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

Hi John,

I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
Windows OS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits



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From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr  3 10:13:29 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:13:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue - SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAA4@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <007b01c77602$a3315580$0f01a8c0@officexp>

Bingo.
I copied over an older DAO 2.5/3.51 from one of my PCs.
Added it to my References and removed DAO 3.60 from the reference.
Compiled, and it worked.
Closed Access.
Opened it, removed Dao 2.5/3.51 reference and added back Dao 3.60.
And everything is now fine.

Weird.

Thanks for all your help!

John




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

WAG. Is it possible the DAO reference was changed to an older version when
you installed VB or the ADO reference replaced the DAO? Just a thought.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue


I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.

Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
can't figure out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

Hi John,

I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
Windows OS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits



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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Apr  3 14:11:41 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
References: <BAY127-F16E7F21C2BEBD5BADD867ED2670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01c77623$eaa12230$982b124c@50nm721>

...two things I watch for here ...when code requires DAO 3.51 to compile it 
means I've got legacy code from an older version of Access running ...and 
when I start getting automation errors on one system and not on others, it 
usually points to the DAO/ADO references being out of sequence on that 
system ...which can happen when you do third party installs ...one reason I 
got religion about coding explicitly to DAO or ADO and not forcing Access to 
guess.
William Hindman

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From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue


> John,
>
> I had a similar error recently...but not exactly the same...only some
> machine had the error...but all machines 'appeared' to be the same.  My
> problem was around DAO connections...in the VBA window, under
> tools...references...everyone had the same 3 things checked including DAO
> 3.6
>
> What I later found to be the problem was not what is checked...but what is
> available to be checked.  Apparently Access needs some of the old DLLs 
> even
> though they are not checked in References.  My culprit was DAO 3.51. The
> machines that were having the problem with what seemed to be sound
> code...were indeed missing the 3.51 dll even though the db supposedly was
> not being used.  I copied the file to each machine, registered them...and
> everything worked fine.
>
> Your error and mine weren't the same, but from what I can remember very
> similar...and both were good code and referenced automation.
>
> at the time I found something on MS site describing the old dll missing
> issue...but I can't find it now.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>>From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
>>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:34:14 -0400
>>
>>I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
>>I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.
>>
>>Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
>>can't figure out.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>>
>>Hi John,
>>
>>I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' 
>>page
>>on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a 
>>different
>>Windows OS.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>>
>>I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.
>>
>>When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
>>error.
>>
>>"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"
>>
>>The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
>>2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install
>>on
>>any of my other PCs.
>>
>>Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
>>running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.
>>
>>I have totally removed Office and reinstalled.
>>
>>The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may 
>>fix
>>the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
>>installing on this operating system"
>>
>>Anyone run into this yet.
>>
>>John Skolits
>>
>>
>>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  3 14:23:36 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:23:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <001f01c77623$eaa12230$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F4046C65965877581B2145FD2670@phx.gbl>

My issue reared its ugly head in an A97 db that was created, and currently 
running, in A97.  The thing that concerned me was that I thought that if the 
libraries were not 'checked' under references...they were not used.  But in 
this case DAO 3.6 was checked and DAO 3.51 was not in the list.  Once I 
added the 3.51 dll to the machine and registered it(3.51 still NOT checked 
in references) the db ran fine...so this means that A97 still needed the 
other dll's even though they weren't checked.  With this being the 
case...what is the point of selecting the references if it is just going to 
use what it wants anyway?

I'm confused again?

Mark A. Matte




>From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:11:41 -0400
>
>...two things I watch for here ...when code requires DAO 3.51 to compile it
>means I've got legacy code from an older version of Access running ...and
>when I start getting automation errors on one system and not on others, it
>usually points to the DAO/ADO references being out of sequence on that
>system ...which can happen when you do third party installs ...one reason I
>got religion about coding explicitly to DAO or ADO and not forcing Access 
>to
>guess.
>William Hindman
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>
>
> > John,
> >
> > I had a similar error recently...but not exactly the same...only some
> > machine had the error...but all machines 'appeared' to be the same.  My
> > problem was around DAO connections...in the VBA window, under
> > tools...references...everyone had the same 3 things checked including 
>DAO
> > 3.6
> >
> > What I later found to be the problem was not what is checked...but what 
>is
> > available to be checked.  Apparently Access needs some of the old DLLs
> > even
> > though they are not checked in References.  My culprit was DAO 3.51. The
> > machines that were having the problem with what seemed to be sound
> > code...were indeed missing the 3.51 dll even though the db supposedly 
>was
> > not being used.  I copied the file to each machine, registered 
>them...and
> > everything worked fine.
> >
> > Your error and mine weren't the same, but from what I can remember very
> > similar...and both were good code and referenced automation.
> >
> > at the time I found something on MS site describing the old dll missing
> > issue...but I can't find it now.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Mark A. Matte
> >
> >
> >>From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
> >>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> >>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
> >>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:34:14 -0400
> >>
> >>I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
> >>I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.
> >>
> >>Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . 
>I
> >>can't figure out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
> >>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
> >>
> >>Hi John,
> >>
> >>I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8'
> >>page
> >>on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a
> >>different
> >>Windows OS.
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
> >>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
> >>
> >>I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.
> >>
> >>When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
> >>error.
> >>
> >>"Class does not support automation or does not support expected 
>interface"
> >>
> >>The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and 
>VB
> >>2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not 
>install
> >>on
> >>any of my other PCs.
> >>
> >>Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
> >>running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.
> >>
> >>I have totally removed Office and reinstalled.
> >>
> >>The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may
> >>fix
> >>the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
> >>installing on this operating system"
> >>
> >>Anyone run into this yet.
> >>
> >>John Skolits
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr  4 03:24:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:24:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables
Message-ID: <s6137cd2.012@cactus.dk>

Hi all

You have two tables each holding a field of some value, say an amount.
You wish to match the values in the first table with the closest value in the other table.

Here is one method with a subquery using Abs() to calculate the difference:

  SELECT 
    tblA.*, 
    tblB.*
  FROM 
    tblA, 
    tblB
  WHERE 
    tblB.ID=
      (Select Top 1 
        B.ID 
      From 
        tblB As B, 
        tblA As A 
      Where 
        A.ID = tblA.ID 
      Order By 
        Abs(A.ColumnA - B.ColumnB));

The IDs are the unique keys for the tables.

/gustav




From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Apr  4 04:11:06 2007
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed,  4 Apr 2007 11:11:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Open Web Link From Visual Basic
Message-ID: <13990550.813121175677866842.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203>

To all,

Think I am going mad, I am sure I have done this before and it's pretty easy....Basically I have a visual basic form with a menu option, when a user clicks that menu I want to open a link in a new browser. 

Can anyone help me on this.

Thanks in advance for all your help.



Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
07730 523179

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 05:06:33 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:06:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables
In-Reply-To: <s6137cd2.012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JFY00FUGX82EUD1@l-daemon>

Gustav:

Now that is a very slick piece of code.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables

Hi all

You have two tables each holding a field of some value, say an amount.
You wish to match the values in the first table with the closest value in
the other table.

Here is one method with a subquery using Abs() to calculate the difference:

  SELECT 
    tblA.*, 
    tblB.*
  FROM 
    tblA, 
    tblB
  WHERE 
    tblB.ID=
      (Select Top 1 
        B.ID 
      From 
        tblB As B, 
        tblA As A 
      Where 
        A.ID = tblA.ID 
      Order By 
        Abs(A.ColumnA - B.ColumnB));

The IDs are the unique keys for the tables.

/gustav


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 06:23:04 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:23:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables
References: <0JFY00FUGX82EUD1@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000701c776ab$9dc6b8c0$982b124c@50nm721>

...goes into my library.
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables


> Gustav:
>
> Now that is a very slick piece of code.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:24 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables
>
> Hi all
>
> You have two tables each holding a field of some value, say an amount.
> You wish to match the values in the first table with the closest value in
> the other table.
>
> Here is one method with a subquery using Abs() to calculate the 
> difference:
>
>  SELECT
>    tblA.*,
>    tblB.*
>  FROM
>    tblA,
>    tblB
>  WHERE
>    tblB.ID=
>      (Select Top 1
>        B.ID
>      From
>        tblB As B,
>        tblA As A
>      Where
>        A.ID = tblA.ID
>      Order By
>        Abs(A.ColumnA - B.ColumnB));
>
> The IDs are the unique keys for the tables.
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr  4 08:17:57 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:17:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Open Web Link From Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <13990550.813121175677866842.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203>
References: <13990550.813121175677866842.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203>
Message-ID: <4613A585.15412.256E0AEE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Apr 2007 at 11:11, paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

> Think I am going mad, I am sure I have done this before and it's pretty
> easy....Basically I have a visual basic form with a menu option, when a user
> clicks that menu I want to open a link in a new browser. 
> 
> Can anyone help me on this.

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Application.FollowHyperlink "http://www.lexacorp.com.pg"
End Sub

-- 
Stuart




From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr  4 09:27:16 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1175619601.18632.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677@is002023.gdls.com>

I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter 
functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million 
records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt 
the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's 
capacity increase.

Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to 
build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo 
boxes, or is there another way?

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems






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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 09:47:42 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:47:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <mailman.1.1175619601.18632.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704040747x6d12c182y369ef624aec710a@mail.gmail.com>

For this kind of thing I suggest trying out the built-in filter-by-form and
see how you like that.
Arthur


On 4/4/07, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
> records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
> the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> capacity increase.
>
> Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
> boxes, or is there another way?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> Stryker Mass Properties
> General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk  Wed Apr  4 11:26:56 2007
From: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk (John Porter)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:26:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Function references produce #Name? error
In-Reply-To: <460B84EC.15634.6746584F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk>,
	<5E1BB9C46D0B4E448812F5DEDEF234D0C5AA37@BE-SCAM2.ds.strath.ac.uk>
	<460B84EC.15634.6746584F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5E1BB9C46D0B4E448812F5DEDEF234D0CF89B7@BE-SCAM2.ds.strath.ac.uk>

There were no missing references, but adding or deleting a reference
(any reference, it appears) fixed the problem. This wasn't just because
the change caused decompilation, because a trivial change to the code
had no effect.

My thanks to all who contributed suggestions.

Regards, 


John R. Porter
IT Services
University of Strathclyde
Jordanhill Campus
86 Southbrae Drive
Glasgow
G13 1PP
e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk
Tel.: 0141 950 3289

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: 29 March 2007 00:21
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Function references produce #Name? error

SOunds like a missing reference. In the VBE, go to Tools-References and
look for one with an X beside it.  

On 28 Mar 2007 at 11:09, John Porter wrote:

> When I installed an Access 2003 application on a client's machine, I 
> found that, if the control source of a text box is an expression 
> including a function reference (e.g. Ucase('a')) the text box displays

> a #Name? error. This happens even if I choose to 'unblock unsafe 
> expressions' when opening the app., or set macro security to low.
> 
> Functions evaluate correctly in VBA code. In a new app. created on the

> client's machine, function refs. work OK in a text box, and if I 
> import the objects from the problem app., everything works fine.
> 
> I'd be really grateful if anyone could suggest an explanation or 
> solution of this problem.
> 
> Regards,    
> 
> 
> John R. Porter
> IT Services
> University of Strathclyde
> Jordanhill Campus
> 86 Southbrae Drive
> Glasgow
> G13 1PP
> e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk
> Tel.: 0141 950 3289
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr  4 12:10:48 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:10:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF234935E9.2695B4BA-ON852572B3.005DE0CD-852572B3.005E5F2F@is002023.gdls.com>

Thanks, but unfortunately the filter-by-form doesn't yield a list of all 
the candidates for each field like Excel's AutoFilter does. "Is Null" and 
"Is Not Null" doesn't help much. With 40+ fields, most of which they want 
to filter on, I can't require them to know all the candidates for each 
field.


Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


Message: 9
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:47:42 -0400
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
                 <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID:
 <29f585dd0704040747x6d12c182y369ef624aec710a at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

For this kind of thing I suggest trying out the built-in filter-by-form 
and
see how you like that.
Arthur


On 4/4/07, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 
million
> records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I 
doubt
> the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> capacity increase.
>
> Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40 combo
> boxes, or is there another way?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> Stryker Mass Properties
> General Dynamics Land Systems







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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr  4 12:22:38 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:22:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>

Thomas,

First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
That is extremely poor design.

And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I
think about that.

Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the
results of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load
the source for the subform until you click on a button to 'find' the
results of the search criteria entered. As part of the search, give
them a field for the top X number of records. And do not let them
exceed a certain number.

Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)

I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart
& Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I
know how backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D
engineer. As well as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1
systems.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
>From: ewaldt at gdls.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID:
> 
><OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677 at is002023.gdls.com>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
>functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
>records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
>the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
>capacity increase.
>
>Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
>build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
>boxes, or is there another way?
>
>TIA.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr  4 12:48:30 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:48:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <OFDF66073B.C431595B-ON852572B3.00604D1E-852572B3.006124DB@
	is002023.gdls.com>
References: <200704041719.l34HJEIh015576@maiss02h.gdls.com>
	<OFDF66073B.C431595B-ON852572B3.00604D1E-852572B3.006124DB@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <200704041752.l34HqHU15390@databaseadvisors.com>

Even on their worst days, the engineers at YPG did not want
to search 1.5 mil records on a single screen.

If they want to filter based on all 40 columns, then add
combo boxes for all of them. Then build the SQL for the
subform source dynamically based on the comboboxes that
have been used to select data. It will be a lot of code-behind,
but it will never break like the Excel thing did.


At 12:41 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:

>Thanks. My sanity is questionable at best.
>
>I would never have recommended Excel for this job. The department 
>asking for help actually used Excel for this before I got here. A 
>guy put together some VBA to import the text data into Excel, 
>splitting it into several sheets, of course. He has left, and the 
>VBA now bombs (no pun intended). Since it no longer works, and since 
>it took 25 minutes to load when it did, they've asked for my help.
>
>Limiting them in any way but their own applied filters is not an option.
>
>If I can't find a way to fake an AutoFilter, I guess I'll use a 
>zillion or so comboboxes and go from there.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Thomas,
>
>First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
>That is extremely poor design.
>
>And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I
>think about that.
>
>Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the
>results of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load
>the source for the subform until you click on a button to 'find' the
>results of the search criteria entered. As part of the search, give
>them a field for the top X number of records. And do not let them
>exceed a certain number.
>
>Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)
>
>I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart
>& Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I
>know how backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D
>engineer. As well as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1
>systems.
>
>Robert
>
>At 12:00 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
> >From: ewaldt at gdls.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Message-ID:
> >
> ><OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677 at is002023 
> .gdls.com>
> >
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> >functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
> >records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
> >the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> >capacity increase.
> >
> >Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> >build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
> >boxes, or is there another way?
> >
> >TIA.
> >
> >Thomas F. Ewald
> >Stryker Mass Properties
> >General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
>intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged 
>information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or 
>act in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the 
>intended recipient, please return this message to the sender and 
>delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Your 
>cooperation is appreciated.


From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 13:14:52 2007
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (sgoodhall at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:14:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
Message-ID: <040420071814.638.4613EB1C00077E330000027E220682469304040E080B0101099C@comcast.net>

I found this article (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480727.aspx)  describing how to do this in .NET 2005.  Even there it ain't simple.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
> Even on their worst days, the engineers at YPG did not want
> to search 1.5 mil records on a single screen.
> 
> If they want to filter based on all 40 columns, then add
> combo boxes for all of them. Then build the SQL for the
> subform source dynamically based on the comboboxes that
> have been used to select data. It will be a lot of code-behind,
> but it will never break like the Excel thing did.
> 
> 
> At 12:41 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> 
> >Thanks. My sanity is questionable at best.
> >
> >I would never have recommended Excel for this job. The department 
> >asking for help actually used Excel for this before I got here. A 
> >guy put together some VBA to import the text data into Excel, 
> >splitting it into several sheets, of course. He has left, and the 
> >VBA now bombs (no pun intended). Since it no longer works, and since 
> >it took 25 minutes to load when it did, they've asked for my help.
> >
> >Limiting them in any way but their own applied filters is not an option.
> >
> >If I can't find a way to fake an AutoFilter, I guess I'll use a 
> >zillion or so comboboxes and go from there.
> >
> >Thomas F. Ewald
> >Stryker Mass Properties
> >General Dynamics Land Systems
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Thomas,
> >
> >First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
> >That is extremely poor design.
> >
> >And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I
> >think about that.
> >
> >Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the
> >results of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load
> >the source for the subform until you click on a button to 'find' the
> >results of the search criteria entered. As part of the search, give
> >them a field for the top X number of records. And do not let them
> >exceed a certain number.
> >
> >Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)
> >
> >I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart
> >& Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I
> >know how backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D
> >engineer. As well as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1
> >systems.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >At 12:00 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
> > >From: ewaldt at gdls.com
> > >Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Message-ID:
> > >
> > ><OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677 at is002023 
> > .gdls.com>
> > >
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > >
> > >I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> > >functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
> > >records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
> > >the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> > >capacity increase.
> > >
> > >Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> > >build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
> > >boxes, or is there another way?
> > >
> > >TIA.
> > >
> > >Thomas F. Ewald
> > >Stryker Mass Properties
> > >General Dynamics Land Systems
> >
> >
> >
> >This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
> >intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged 
> >information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or 
> >act in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the 
> >intended recipient, please return this message to the sender and 
> >delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Your 
> >cooperation is appreciated.
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr  4 13:28:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:28:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>

>I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D engineer.

And I grew up in the Bard valley, the shortcut between Yuma and the YPG.  My
uncle was a test driver for the tanks and other vehicles out there, in fact
he was killed in a rollover of a vehicle he was testing.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: ewaldt at gdls.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter

Thomas,

First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
That is extremely poor design.

And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I think
about that.

Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the results
of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load the source for the
subform until you click on a button to 'find' the results of the search
criteria entered. As part of the search, give them a field for the top X
number of records. And do not let them exceed a certain number.

Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)

I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart &
Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I know how
backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D engineer. As well
as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1 systems.

Robert



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr  4 13:52:59 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:52:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <200704041752.l34HqHU15390@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200704041719.l34HJEIh015576@maiss02h.gdls.com><OFDF66073B.C431595B-ON852572B3.00604D1E-852572B3.006124DB@is002023.gdls.com>
	<200704041752.l34HqHU15390@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c776ea$773c8bf0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thomas,

I've done this many times, and it takes a lot of repetitive code, but it
does work well.

An Example:

    '-- SELECT CASE BASED ON A COMBOBOX
    '-- cboStage IS THE FIRST FIELD IN THE LIST
    If Not IsNull(cboStage) Then
        Select Case cboStage
            Case "All"
                stgSQL = "Stage IS NOT NULL"
            Case "Open"
                stgSQL = "DateClosed IS NULL"
                blnFirstControl = True
            Case "Description"
                stgSQL = "Stage = 'Description'"
                blnFirstControl = True
            Case "Root Cause"
                stgSQL = "Stage = 'Root Cause'"
                blnFirstControl = True
            Case "Implement/Verify"
                stgSQL = "Stage = 'Implement/Verify'"
                blnFirstControl = True
            Case "Closed"
                stgSQL = "DateClosed Is Not Null"
                blnFirstControl = True
        End Select
    End If
    
    '-- TEXT BOX OR COMBOBOX   
    '-- ALL SUBSEQUENT FIELDS USE blnFirstControl 
    If Not IsNull(cboType) Then
        If blnFirstControl = True Then
            stgSQL = stgSQL & " AND Type = '" & cboType & "'"
        Else
            stgSQL = "Type = '" & cboType & "'"
            blnFirstControl = True
        End If
    End If

    '-- PARTIAL SEARCH FIELDS    
    stgComments = "*" & txtComments & "*"
    If Not IsNull(txtComments) Then
        If blnFirstControl = True Then
            stgSQL = stgSQL & " AND Comments Like '" & stgComments & "'"
        Else
            stgSQL = "Comments Like '" & stgComments & "'"
            blnFirstControl = True
        End If
    End If

    '-- DATES RANGES
    If Not IsNull(txtDateReportedAfter) Then
        If blnFirstControl = True Then
            stgSQL = stgSQL & " AND DateReported >= #" &
txtDateReportedAfter & "#"
        Else
            stgSQL = "DateReported >= #" & txtDateReportedAfter & "#"
            blnFirstControl = True
        End If
    End If

    '-- FINISH THE SEARCH CRITERIA STRING
    stgSQL = "WHERE " & stgSQL


HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:49 PM
To: ewaldt at gdls.com
Cc: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter

Even on their worst days, the engineers at YPG did not want
to search 1.5 mil records on a single screen.

If they want to filter based on all 40 columns, then add
combo boxes for all of them. Then build the SQL for the
subform source dynamically based on the comboboxes that
have been used to select data. It will be a lot of code-behind,
but it will never break like the Excel thing did.


At 12:41 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:

>Thanks. My sanity is questionable at best.
>
>I would never have recommended Excel for this job. The department 
>asking for help actually used Excel for this before I got here. A 
>guy put together some VBA to import the text data into Excel, 
>splitting it into several sheets, of course. He has left, and the 
>VBA now bombs (no pun intended). Since it no longer works, and since 
>it took 25 minutes to load when it did, they've asked for my help.
>
>Limiting them in any way but their own applied filters is not an option.
>
>If I can't find a way to fake an AutoFilter, I guess I'll use a 
>zillion or so comboboxes and go from there.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Thomas,
>
>First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
>That is extremely poor design.
>
>And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I
>think about that.
>
>Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the
>results of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load
>the source for the subform until you click on a button to 'find' the
>results of the search criteria entered. As part of the search, give
>them a field for the top X number of records. And do not let them
>exceed a certain number.
>
>Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)
>
>I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart
>& Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I
>know how backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D
>engineer. As well as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1
>systems.
>
>Robert
>
>At 12:00 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
> >From: ewaldt at gdls.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Message-ID:
> >
> ><OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677 at is002023 
> .gdls.com>
> >
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> >functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5
million
> >records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
> >the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> >capacity increase.
> >
> >Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> >build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
> >boxes, or is there another way?
> >
> >TIA.
> >
> >Thomas F. Ewald
> >Stryker Mass Properties
> >General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
>intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged 
>information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or 
>act in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the 
>intended recipient, please return this message to the sender and 
>delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Your 
>cooperation is appreciated.
-- 
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Apr  4 14:02:04 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:02:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <000901c776eb$bc5f9000$6401a8c0@nant>

Thomas,

You can make a form with 40 textboxes, one "slipping" combobox and subform.
If we assume that Group By/Select distinct on your 1.5 million records on
any of 40 fields is satisfactory speedy (<=3 sec to complete) (is it like
that?) then on GotFocus event of a textbox you can put over textbox (by
using VBA event processing code) a "slipping" combobox and fill its
rowsource with corresponding Group By data etc...

If getting filter values using Group By isn't a speedy enough process then
you can use temp database and fill it on start-up of your application and
show a progress bar form to the user recommending him to take a break and
drink some coffee while your filter form/temp database is getting
initialized...

In any case there will be not that much VBA coding to implement this
filtering form...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter

I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter 
functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million 
records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt 
the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's 
capacity increase.

Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to 
build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo 
boxes, or is there another way?

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems






This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the intended
recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged information.  No
one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act in reliance on it or
its attachments.  If you are not the intended recipient, please return this
message to the sender and delete the message and any attachments from your
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 14:32:37 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:32:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>
	<009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>


Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP 
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  4 14:37:42 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:37:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <000901c776eb$bc5f9000$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F35A4C17308C2AC2B9EDCF8D2660@phx.gbl>

Shamil,

Sounds very interesting...but what do you mean by "slipping"?  Does it move?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:02:04 +0400
>
>Thomas,
>
>You can make a form with 40 textboxes, one "slipping" combobox and subform.
>If we assume that Group By/Select distinct on your 1.5 million records on
>any of 40 fields is satisfactory speedy (<=3 sec to complete) (is it like
>that?) then on GotFocus event of a textbox you can put over textbox (by
>using VBA event processing code) a "slipping" combobox and fill its
>rowsource with corresponding Group By data etc...
>
>If getting filter values using Group By isn't a speedy enough process then
>you can use temp database and fill it on start-up of your application and
>show a progress bar form to the user recommending him to take a break and
>drink some coffee while your filter form/temp database is getting
>initialized...
>
>In any case there will be not that much VBA coding to implement this
>filtering form...
>
>--
>Shamil
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:27 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>
>I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
>functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
>records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
>the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
>capacity increase.
>
>Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
>build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
>boxes, or is there another way?
>
>TIA.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
>intended
>recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged information.  No
>one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act in reliance on it or
>its attachments.  If you are not the intended recipient, please return this
>message to the sender and delete the message and any attachments from your
>computer. Your cooperation is appreciated.
>
>--
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Apr  4 14:38:43 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:38:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086952@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Wonderful. Congrats AD much deserved.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wed 04/04/2007 20:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP




Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 14:43:15 2007
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:43:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086952@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>
	<009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805> <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086952@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00704041243s7334bdd0nf23a4565cd545f5a@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats AD!

On 4/4/07, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Wonderful. Congrats AD much deserved.
>
> Martin
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Training and Assessment Unit
> Riddle Hall
> Belfast
>
> tel: 02890 974477
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Wed 04/04/2007 20:32
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
>
>
> Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
> award!
>
> If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr  4 14:48:07 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:48:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000501c776f2$2d85b8d0$87b82ad1@SusanOne>

Wow! I'm impressed! Congratulations! 

Susan H.  

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Apr  4 15:08:28 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 00:08:28 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F35A4C17308C2AC2B9EDCF8D2660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601c776f5$0474d860$6401a8c0@nant>

Mark,

By "slipping" I mean a combobox, which can be moved onto/showed upon one of
the 40 textboxes - the one, which gets focus.

Should I've better called it "jumping" or even "vagabond" combobox? :)

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter

Shamil,

Sounds very interesting...but what do you mean by "slipping"?  Does it move?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:02:04 +0400
>
>Thomas,
>
>You can make a form with 40 textboxes, one "slipping" combobox and subform.
>If we assume that Group By/Select distinct on your 1.5 million records on
>any of 40 fields is satisfactory speedy (<=3 sec to complete) (is it like
>that?) then on GotFocus event of a textbox you can put over textbox (by
>using VBA event processing code) a "slipping" combobox and fill its
>rowsource with corresponding Group By data etc...
>
>If getting filter values using Group By isn't a speedy enough process then
>you can use temp database and fill it on start-up of your application and
>show a progress bar form to the user recommending him to take a break and
>drink some coffee while your filter form/temp database is getting
>initialized...
>
>In any case there will be not that much VBA coding to implement this
>filtering form...
>
>--
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>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:27 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>
>I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
>functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
>records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
>the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
>capacity increase.
>
>Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
>build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
>boxes, or is there another way?
>
>TIA.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 15:27:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:27:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
Message-ID: <003c01c776f7$a5ba7b10$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the
default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other reports.
 
So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that prints
the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
 
Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com

 

www.bchacc.com
 


 	
	


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 15:47:27 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:47:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <003c01c776f7$a5ba7b10$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003c01c776f7$a5ba7b10$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950704041347u3b063298v96fa4d98aa85871b@mail.gmail.com>

Why wouldn't you just change the report with the barcode to print to
the specific printer? And leave the default alone. What happens if he
has multiple applications going at once and the default printer is
presto chango switched to the little barcode dude?

GK

On 4/4/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that prints
> the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 15:57:45 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:57:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <000501c776f2$2d85b8d0$87b82ad1@SusanOne>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805><4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
	<000501c776f2$2d85b8d0$87b82ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589D5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

And *I'm* impressed he still hangs around with us!!  LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

Wow! I'm impressed! Congratulations! 

Susan H.  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 16:43:59 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:43:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002501c77702$5e44de00$982b124c@50nm721>

...well MS finally got something right! :)
...congrats AD.

William Hindman

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From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


>
> Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
> award!
>
> If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
> -- 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 16:48:26 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:48:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
References: <003c01c776f7$a5ba7b10$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003601c77702$fa46c390$982b124c@50nm721>

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that 
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if 
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a 
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that prints
> the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 16:58:26 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:58:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JFZ00F0AU6K9670@l-daemon>

Congratulations A.D. Tejpal.

Well Done.

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 17:21:43 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:21:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JFZ00CGDV998690@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
details.

TIA
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP 
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 17:28:53 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:28:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950704041347u3b063298v96fa4d98aa85871b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004701c77708$a06f2230$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

I'd prefer to change the printer for that one report rather than the default
printer.  Problem is that I don't have that printer - don't know the name.
He's sophisticated enough that I could walk him through changing it in the
design view of the report but every time I send him an update he'd have to
go through the same change.  So I'd like to be able to do it in the load or
open event of the report.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Why wouldn't you just change the report with the barcode to print to the
specific printer? And leave the default alone. What happens if he has
multiple applications going at once and the default printer is presto chango
switched to the little barcode dude?

GK

On 4/4/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other
reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 17:32:03 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:32:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <003601c77702$fa46c390$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <004801c77709$11b3b730$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that prints
> the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 17:36:54 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:36:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <004701c77708$a06f2230$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <004b01c77709$bf9b8580$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Oops.  Just reviewed the code Gary.  I'm sending the stuff to the bar code
printer through a form.  See my code snip in reply to William.  I think I
have to change the default printer.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

I'd prefer to change the printer for that one report rather than the default
printer.  Problem is that I don't have that printer - don't know the name.
He's sophisticated enough that I could walk him through changing it in the
design view of the report but every time I send him an update he'd have to
go through the same change.  So I'd like to be able to do it in the load or
open event of the report.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Why wouldn't you just change the report with the barcode to print to the
specific printer? And leave the default alone. What happens if he has
multiple applications going at once and the default printer is presto chango
switched to the little barcode dude?

GK

On 4/4/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other
reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Wed Apr  4 17:41:02 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:41:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <004801c77709$11b3b730$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JFZ009ZOWCKVDU0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 18:51:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:51:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <0JFZ009ZOWCKVDU0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <005201c77714$27af0020$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Excellent!  That's too easy.  I didn't know there was a printer parameter on
the .Open but I see it now - I just have it as a "" string. I already put a
combo box on the form with the installed printers and save the selection in
a front end preferences table.

Thank you.  




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Wed Apr  4 19:07:56 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:07:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <005201c77714$27af0020$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JG000DMM0DDKS32@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

Rocky,

You're welcome!

Here's a snippet of code you might be interested in. You can provide a JPG
preview of the label before your client prints it. :)

//export the labelformat image to a JPG file
newFile = btFormat.FileName.Replace(labelFormatPath, labelFormatExportPath);
btFormat.ExportToFile(newFile.Replace(".btw", ".JPG"), "JPG" ,
BarTender.BtColors.btColors24Bit,
BarTender.BtResolution.btResolutionPrinter,
BarTender.BtSaveOptions.btSaveChanges);

The code is in C#. Minor mods needed for the replace syntax since in VB this
is a function instead of a method.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Excellent!  That's too easy.  I didn't know there was a printer parameter on
the .Open but I see it now - I just have it as a "" string. I already put a
combo box on the form with the installed printers and save the selection in
a front end preferences table.

Thank you.  

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 19:53:38 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:53:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <0JFZ00CGDV998690@l-daemon>
References: <0JFZ00CGDV998690@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <46144892.2050104@shaw.ca>

A couple of other Access MVP's announced it
Roger Carlson on Access-D and Bill Mosca on MS Access Professional
Yahoo. The MVP's have their own newsletter, web site and mail list.
In fact they have a  3-Day meeting every year in Seattle.

A slightly out of date list of Access MVP's can be found here.
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx?product=1&competency=Microsoft+Office+Access

Once your on the list, it is permanent ;)  I know one Access MVP who 
tried to resign
MS wouldn't let him. He had a big disagreement with MS. Funnily
enough he is now working full time for MS.  That got him off the list.



Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
>details.
>
>TIA
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
>Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP 
>award!
>
>If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
>http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 21:10:17 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:10:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
References: <0JFZ00CGDV998690@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000501c77727$8ef29180$982b124c@50nm721>

http://www.abhishekkant.net/2007/04/new-mvps-announced-in-south-asia.html
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


> Hi Marty:
>
> Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
> details.
>
> TIA
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
> Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
> award!
>
> If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 22:23:34 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:23:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <46144892.2050104@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JG0004HE98BCK00@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Thanks for the information. Much appreciated; but that still does not answer
the question of how, where and why you know A.D. Tejpal is now an MVP. Do
you have a 'secret' source that you can not be divulged? 

I have taken the liberty of posting A.D.'s win to the web site but am still
hesitant without proper validation or any collaboration. 

Jim      

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

A couple of other Access MVP's announced it
Roger Carlson on Access-D and Bill Mosca on MS Access Professional
Yahoo. The MVP's have their own newsletter, web site and mail list.
In fact they have a  3-Day meeting every year in Seattle.

A slightly out of date list of Access MVP's can be found here.
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx?product=1&competency=
Microsoft+Office+Access

Once your on the list, it is permanent ;)  I know one Access MVP who 
tried to resign
MS wouldn't let him. He had a big disagreement with MS. Funnily
enough he is now working full time for MS.  That got him off the list.



Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
>details.
>
>TIA
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
>Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP 
>award!
>
>If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
>http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 22:33:20 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:33:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <000501c77727$8ef29180$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <0JG000FPC9OL93M0@l-daemon>

Hi William:

Thank you, for that info. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

http://www.abhishekkant.net/2007/04/new-mvps-announced-in-south-asia.html
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


> Hi Marty:
>
> Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
> details.
>
> TIA
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
> Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
> award!
>
> If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
> -- 
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
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From adtp at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  5 09:00:30 2007
From: adtp at hotmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:30:30 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV87E7D6972E78E05BE689BCE650@phx.gbl>

Marty,

    My sincere thanks. I have no illusions about my limitations and am well aware that Access-D is graced with a galaxy of experts far more qualified than me. In this context, I take the compliments from my fellow members as an expression of goodwill that I hold precious.

    Right through my association with this forum, I have been benefiting immensely from the wealth of knowledge contributed by various members.

    I would like to record my grateful thanks to my colleagues (mentioned below, in the order of the messages received) for so kindly taking time out to write words of encouragement:

    Martin Reid, David McAfee, Susan Harkins, Charlotte Foust, William Hindman, Jim Lawrence,

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
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  Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 01:02
  Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

  Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP award!

  If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

  Marty Connelly
  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 09:09:45 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:09:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <0JG000DMM0DDKS32@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <00aa01c7778c$10621a60$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Eric:

A redundant thanks again, Eric.  I got the terse reply from my client this
A.M. "Got it. It works. Good job Rocky!" 

I pasted your snip into my code commented out in case he ever comes up with
the requirement.  I assume that the code will create the jpg but not display
it.  You have to trigger the display yourself?

Best regards,

Rocky


 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

You're welcome!

Here's a snippet of code you might be interested in. You can provide a JPG
preview of the label before your client prints it. :)

//export the labelformat image to a JPG file newFile =
btFormat.FileName.Replace(labelFormatPath, labelFormatExportPath);
btFormat.ExportToFile(newFile.Replace(".btw", ".JPG"), "JPG" ,
BarTender.BtColors.btColors24Bit,
BarTender.BtResolution.btResolutionPrinter,
BarTender.BtSaveOptions.btSaveChanges);

The code is in C#. Minor mods needed for the replace syntax since in VB this
is a function instead of a method.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Excellent!  That's too easy.  I didn't know there was a printer parameter on
the .Open but I see it now - I just have it as a "" string. I already put a
combo box on the form with the installed printers and save the selection in
a front end preferences table.

Thank you.  

 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Thu Apr  5 09:21:13 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:21:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c7778c$10621a60$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JG100IMR3VIQT02@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

Yes the code simply outputs the JPG image. You will need code to display it
for your user. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Eric:

A redundant thanks again, Eric.  I got the terse reply from my client this
A.M. "Got it. It works. Good job Rocky!" 

I pasted your snip into my code commented out in case he ever comes up with
the requirement.  I assume that the code will create the jpg but not display
it.  You have to trigger the display yourself?

Best regards,

Rocky


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

You're welcome!

Here's a snippet of code you might be interested in. You can provide a JPG
preview of the label before your client prints it. :)

//export the labelformat image to a JPG file newFile =
btFormat.FileName.Replace(labelFormatPath, labelFormatExportPath);
btFormat.ExportToFile(newFile.Replace(".btw", ".JPG"), "JPG" ,
BarTender.BtColors.btColors24Bit,
BarTender.BtResolution.btResolutionPrinter,
BarTender.BtSaveOptions.btSaveChanges);

The code is in C#. Minor mods needed for the replace syntax since in VB this
is a function instead of a method.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Excellent!  That's too easy.  I didn't know there was a printer parameter on
the .Open but I see it now - I just have it as a "" string. I already put a
combo box on the form with the installed printers and save the selection in
a front end preferences table.

Thank you.  

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 10:48:26 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:48:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV87E7D6972E78E05BE689BCE650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d001c77799$d99c76c0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:
 
Let me add my belated congratulations on your MVP award.  I tried to send it
offline but the address I have for you is no longer valid.

Had they called me or anyone on the AccessD list, it would have happened
much sooner.  But no one deserves it more.  
 
With best regards,
 
Rocky
  




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

Marty,

    My sincere thanks. I have no illusions about my limitations and am well
aware that Access-D is graced with a galaxy of experts far more qualified
than me. In this context, I take the compliments from my fellow members as
an expression of goodwill that I hold precious.

    Right through my association with this forum, I have been benefiting
immensely from the wealth of knowledge contributed by various members.

    I would like to record my grateful thanks to my colleagues (mentioned
below, in the order of the messages received) for so kindly taking time out
to write words of encouragement:

    Martin Reid, David McAfee, Susan Harkins, Charlotte Foust, William
Hindman, Jim Lawrence,

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: MartyConnelly
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 01:02
  Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

  Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

  If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

  Marty Connelly
  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  5 11:34:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:34:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <00d001c77799$d99c76c0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <BAY139-DAV87E7D6972E78E05BE689BCE650@phx.gbl>
	<00d001c77799$d99c76c0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000101c777a0$472c5970$657aa8c0@m6805>

Likewise, my belated congrats.  MVP truly is a recognition of your ability,
and given your contributions to this list I would say a well deserved
recognition.

Good Job. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

A.D.:
 
Let me add my belated congratulations on your MVP award.  I tried to send it
offline but the address I have for you is no longer valid.

Had they called me or anyone on the AccessD list, it would have happened
much sooner.  But no one deserves it more.  
 
With best regards,
 
Rocky
  




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

Marty,

    My sincere thanks. I have no illusions about my limitations and am well
aware that Access-D is graced with a galaxy of experts far more qualified
than me. In this context, I take the compliments from my fellow members as
an expression of goodwill that I hold precious.

    Right through my association with this forum, I have been benefiting
immensely from the wealth of knowledge contributed by various members.

    I would like to record my grateful thanks to my colleagues (mentioned
below, in the order of the messages received) for so kindly taking time out
to write words of encouragement:

    Martin Reid, David McAfee, Susan Harkins, Charlotte Foust, William
Hindman, Jim Lawrence,

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: MartyConnelly
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 01:02
  Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

  Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

  If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

  Marty Connelly
  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 12:09:08 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:09:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
Message-ID: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  5 12:17:40 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:17:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c7778c$10621a60$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JG100CYZBUFXSF0@l-daemon>

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those who
have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Apr  5 12:32:19 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:32:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003e01c777a8$5d24c390$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

I have a customer who has plants across North America, all on the same WAN.
I don't know what their throughput rate is though.

After using the system in one location for about a year, we tried putting
some client apps at the other sites.  The two folks I work directly with
were there at the time, and have told me that the app was as quick there as
it is here!  I was surprised - and happy.

My system is split FE/BE, and the usage is not high.

On the other hand, from home through their VPN connection, it takes me 20
minutes to open their system with my PC, so I don't.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr  5 13:00:44 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:00:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0CFF1CD0@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Rocky,

I have an app (not a commercial app - just something to support my users in their jobs) that runs on a server located in California, and my users (in California, Kansas, and Florida) connect via terminal services (Remote Desktop Connection) over our company's WAN.  FE and BE reside on the server, and each user gets a new instance of the FE in his/her TS.  My user count is usually <= 10, and the user experience is nearly the same as if the app were running as a FE/BE on their workstation.  When I connect from home, via VPN over a DSL connection, the response is nearly the same as when I'm at my desk at work.  Even via dialup, it's slower, but not so slow that I go crazy.

Don't know whether this strategy is appropriate to your situation, but may be worth a look see.

Don


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 13:07:58 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:07:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001b01c777ad$5875ef40$982b124c@50nm721>

...unplanned disconnects, even momentary, are the bane of any file server db 
system ...in my experience Access and WAN requires a Terminal Server or 
Citrix implementation to be both reliable and fast ...not to say it can't be 
done otherwise but that my experience with such sucks because disconnects 
are almost inevitable ...however, if you do go the TS route, your Access app 
can actually be faster in the user's view even though he's hundreds of miles 
away.

...btw, if you do look at this route, Citrix costs more than TS but their 
support is a whole lot better imnsho and well worth the extra bucks. TS in 
the mean time, is actually an older version of Citrix that MS licensed and 
has done some work with.

William Hindman

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access


> Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a 
> WAN.
> Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
> dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
> experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this 
> regard?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 13:06:58 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:06:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FB@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Rocky,

I think it depends on the WAN, but we try to persuade our clients not to
try it, particularly if the broadband connection is "iffy" or "slow".
We've had a few do it anyhow because their IT departments were sure they
could make it work.  They live with it.  Remote dialup is ugly at any
speed unless you use a VPN and log into an active local workstation and
run the app from there.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a
WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus
folks dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have
any experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this
regard?
 
MTIA,
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 13:11:47 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:11:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <0JG100CYZBUFXSF0@l-daemon>
References: <00aa01c7778c$10621a60$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<0JG100CYZBUFXSF0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.

Charlotte Foust  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
who have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  5 13:15:37 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:15:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JG100AJ4EIZJ0Y0@l-daemon>

Hi Rocky:

If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely done
enough of that type of work.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  5 13:18:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:18:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <001b01c777ad$5875ef40$982b124c@50nm721>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001b01c777ad$5875ef40$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <001101c777ae$d79c7b80$657aa8c0@m6805>

If the location with the file server has workstations with Windows 2003, you
can use remote desktop, at least two instances per computer.  Thus if the
client already had people inside that location (with windows 2003) running
the app, then another user could remote in to their machine and use the db.
They would have to have their own account etc.

Remote access is IMHO definitely the way to go, whether TS or other.  As
William says, disconnects will corrupt the database if the FE is running
remotely. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access

...unplanned disconnects, even momentary, are the bane of any file server db
system ...in my experience Access and WAN requires a Terminal Server or
Citrix implementation to be both reliable and fast ...not to say it can't be
done otherwise but that my experience with such sucks because disconnects
are almost inevitable ...however, if you do go the TS route, your Access app
can actually be faster in the user's view even though he's hundreds of miles
away.

...btw, if you do look at this route, Citrix costs more than TS but their
support is a whole lot better imnsho and well worth the extra bucks. TS in
the mean time, is actually an older version of Citrix that MS licensed and
has done some work with.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access


> Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a 
> WAN.
> Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
> dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
> experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this 
> regard?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  5 13:24:20 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:24:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>

Hi Charlotte:

So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant in
.Net and would find it very informative.

TIA

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
who have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 14:06:42 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:06:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!

Any questions?? LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant in
.Net and would find it very informative.

TIA

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
who have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 14:54:30 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:54:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <0JG100AJ4EIZJ0Y0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <013001c777bc$39d3d750$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Thanks to everyone for their replies on this.  I will forward your comments
to the prospect and let him decide how to proceed.

Best,

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Hi Rocky:

If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely done
enough of that type of work.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 15:06:49 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:06:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000d01c777bd$f38e6bf0$982b124c@50nm721>

...questions? ...not me ...I'm actually sorry Jim asked :)
...until I read that, I thought my schemas were so cool, eh.
William Hindman
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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL


> Eeek! How on earth would I do that??
>
> I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
> structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
> for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
> providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
> address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
> simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
> XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
> their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
> so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
> particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
> location.
>
> We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
> things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
> there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
> also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
> can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
> record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
> and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
> the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
> this in Access!
>
> Any questions?? LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Hi Charlotte:
>
> So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant in
> .Net and would find it very informative.
>
> TIA
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
> the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Hi All:
>
> There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
> who have used classes here is a new implementation:
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
> http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm
>
> Jim
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Apr  5 15:31:37 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:31:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2349F95@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Depends on the speed of their WAN.  50 mbps is a typical wireless speed,
so it's not bad at all...  However, go down to a T1, which is great for
the net, but an Access .mdb will take a bit just to open.  Complex
queries will take a while.  

I would recommend a web based front end.  Would work fine even over
dialup.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a
WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus
folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this
regard?
 
MTIA,
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 15:40:33 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:40:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <000d01c777bd$f38e6bf0$982b124c@50nm721>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Hey, I just work here! LOL  

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

...questions? ...not me ...I'm actually sorry Jim asked :) ...until I
read that, I thought my schemas were so cool, eh.
William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL


> Eeek! How on earth would I do that??
>
> I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
> structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
> for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
> providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
> address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
> simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL
(in
> XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
> their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider
classes,
> so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for
a
> particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
> location.
>
> We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
> things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
> there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
> also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where
it
> can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
> record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore
record
> and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
> the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try
modelling
> this in Access!
>
> Any questions?? LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Hi Charlotte:
>
> So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant
in
> .Net and would find it very informative.
>
> TIA
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
> the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Hi All:
>
> There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
> who have used classes here is a new implementation:
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
> http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  5 16:21:46 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:21:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JG1009F8N570201@l-daemon>

Hi Charlotte:

You bet... but if I asked all the questions that I want to ask the List
would reject that email due to size limitations.

Maybe some questions from the bottom or Server end. Is there any
white-papers on the design or is this the concept of some in-house guru?...
or your-self. Is there any recommended reference material?

Can I assume you are using SQL 2005? Is the SQL data stored as XML data or
translated on the fly? Is all the business logic stored on the server or is
it managed at the FE? Can I assume a desktop design? 

These are just a few of the broad questions I would like to know further
details on... ...and what is a Well record and wellBore record or is this
something to do with wells?

That is all for now 

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!

Any questions?? LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant in
.Net and would find it very informative.

TIA

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
who have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 16:45:30 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:45:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <0JG1009F8N570201@l-daemon>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG1009F8N570201@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

You bet... but if I asked all the questions that I want to ask the List
would reject that email due to size limitations.

Maybe some questions from the bottom or Server end. Is there any
white-papers on the design or is this the concept of some in-house
guru?...
or your-self. Is there any recommended reference material?

Can I assume you are using SQL 2005? Is the SQL data stored as XML data
or translated on the fly? Is all the business logic stored on the server
or is it managed at the FE? Can I assume a desktop design? 

These are just a few of the broad questions I would like to know further
details on... ...and what is a Well record and wellBore record or is
this something to do with wells?

That is all for now 

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!


From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  5 22:13:28 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
Message-ID: <297990.21670.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I do that?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us


 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  5 23:14:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:14:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
Message-ID: <000901c77802$0d82c490$657aa8c0@m6805>

Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
(active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out on
a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql server
is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From ebarro at verizon.net  Thu Apr  5 23:34:28 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:34:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <000901c77802$0d82c490$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager. 

EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'

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Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server

Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
(active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out on
a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql server
is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
 
John W. Colby
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Apr  6 00:41:24 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 01:41:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
References: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>

...geez Eric. you could have allowed JC to at least sweat a bit longer :)

William Hindman

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server


> Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager.
>
> EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
>        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
>        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
> Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
> (active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out 
> on
> a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
> directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql server
> is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 00:40:20 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:40:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
In-Reply-To: <297990.21670.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <297990.21670.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4615DD44.5060907@shaw.ca>

Here is how to open IE with various sized windows and toolbars
just pass your URL to .Navigate property.
It doesn't have to be a URL can be file like pdf or xsl; local or remote

Sub testIEvarious()
'------------------
' display various formats Tiffs PDF XLS local or remote
'If you add a reference to "Microsoft Internet Controls"
'(SHDOCVW.DLL) you should be able to do:
'Public IE as .... and find "InternetExplorer" in the popup menu.
'So then you have what you wrote, which is early-bound,
'and you can use that as follows:

'   Public IE As InternetExplorer
'   Set IE = New InternetExplorer

Dim objExplorer As Object
Dim strReturn As String

Set objExplorer = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application")
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
objExplorer.Navigate "about:blank"
objExplorer.Toolbar = False
objExplorer.StatusBar = False
objExplorer.MenuBar = True
objExplorer.FullScreen = False
objExplorer.AddressBar = False

objExplorer.Width = 800
objExplorer.Height = 570
objExplorer.Left = 0
objExplorer.Top = 0
objExplorer.Visible = 1
'objExplorer.Navigate "http://www.databaseadvisors.com/"
'objExplorer.Navigate "192.168.0.1/st_devic.html"
'objExplorer.navigate "http://checkip.dyndns.org/"
objExplorer.Navigate "http://www.adobe.com/prodlist.pdf#page=3"
'objExplorer.navigate "C:\records management\aircanadacasestudy.pdf#page=4"
'objExplorer.Navigate "C:\records management\Copy of rim_guide_sarbanes.xls"
'objExplorer.Navigate 
"http://www.swimseattle.org/Forms/ScholorshipPolicy2003-2004.pdf"
'objExplorer.Navigate "file://C:\records 
management\aircanadacasestudy.pdf#page=3"
'objExplorer.navigate "C:\records management\aircanadacasestudy.pdf#page=2"
'objExplorer.Navigate 
"http://www.adobe.com/products/server/pdfs/customer_FAQ.pdf#page=3&zoom=200,250,100"
'objExplorer.Navigate "C:\Documents and Settings\marty\My Documents\My 
Pictures\VS.tif"
'objExplorer.Navigate "res://msxml.dll/defaultss.xsl"
Do While (objExplorer.Busy)
Loop

MsgBox "finished"
Set objExplorer = Nothing

End Sub



Lonnie Johnson wrote:

>I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I do that?
> 
>May God bless you beyond your imagination!
>Lonnie Johnson
>ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
>Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>  
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 05:34:20 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:34:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has it
core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick client
(this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed to thin
client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested in
how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML option in
.Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third party?) to the
actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML in MS SQL 2005 is
built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same capabilities.) I am not
interested in specifics just the concepts... Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

You bet... but if I asked all the questions that I want to ask the List
would reject that email due to size limitations.

Maybe some questions from the bottom or Server end. Is there any
white-papers on the design or is this the concept of some in-house
guru?...
or your-self. Is there any recommended reference material?

Can I assume you are using SQL 2005? Is the SQL data stored as XML data
or translated on the fly? Is all the business logic stored on the server
or is it managed at the FE? Can I assume a desktop design? 

These are just a few of the broad questions I would like to know further
details on... ...and what is a Well record and wellBore record or is
this something to do with wells?

That is all for now 

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  6 07:25:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:25:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SMS
Message-ID: <s6165876.052@cactus.dk>

Hi all

If you consider sending SMS messages from your app, here is a commercial provider which sports an extensive array of APIs including COM:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/products/developer_solutions.php 

Also, the page has links to much relevant info on SMS including the special requirements for sending SMS to US receivers:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/sms_info.php 

I have not worked with this, so I cannot provide further advice.

/gustav



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 07:57:49 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:57:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SMS
In-Reply-To: <s6165876.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JG200DM3UH9B6A0@l-daemon>

Hi Gustav:

This looks very interesting and I will keep this ink as a reference.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SMS

Hi all

If you consider sending SMS messages from your app, here is a commercial
provider which sports an extensive array of APIs including COM:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/products/developer_solutions.php 

Also, the page has links to much relevant info on SMS including the special
requirements for sending SMS to US receivers:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/sms_info.php 

I have not worked with this, so I cannot provide further advice.

/gustav

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  6 08:38:20 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:38:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
Message-ID: <s6166975.053@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

That is how my A2003 and IE7 behave by default. I don't even know how to change that.

/gustav

>>> prodevmg at yahoo.com 06-04-2007 05:13 >>>
I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I do that?




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr  6 08:39:22 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:39:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: ** important **  just - say - no ...
Message-ID: <003201c77850$fc4278c0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com

 

 

  _____  

From: Joe K Anderson [mailto:ja at alldatacorp.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:47 PM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@nethere.net
Subject: ** important ** just - say - no ...


I know that many of you WILL want to look at naked, nude pix of Brittany
Spears ... especially with her shaved head (who knows what else is shaved).
HOWEVER ... JUST SAY NO !!!! 
 
As you can read below (and elsewhere) ... and may have already heard about
... you will very well end up having a reeeeeeally bad hair day (worse than
Brittany) if you get the Zero-Day virus!
 
So ... GET the Microsoft Patch ... in addition to any smoking or other types
of patches you may have.  JUST do it !!!  This affects ALL recent versions
of Windows ... 2000, XP ... and the new super-secure Windows Vista !!
(right!).  Also the Firefox browser ... my favorite!
 
Note:  This does not typically come in the form of an email attachment,
rather just an email with a 'clickable' like, probably behind a teaser pic
of Brittany ... you know ... showing a little skin or whatnot.  JUST SAY
NO!!!
 
And don't open any frickin' email attachments either unless you know EXACTLY
who it has been sleeping with (even then??) ... especially if it's from your
Mother!!!!
 
joe
 
 
  <http://enewsletters.ziffdavisinternet.com/esp/arrow.gif>
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671945-0-0-0-1>
Critical Flaw Forces Microsoft to Deliver Patch ASAP
Apparently Microsoft discovered a critical flaw in its Animated Cursor files
on Windows that allows nefarious people to take remote control over PCs. The
exploit is also being used to spread spam via an e-mail that promises
viewers naked pictures of
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671948-0-0-0-1>
"Britiney Speers" in addition to compromising a number of
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671951-0-0-0-1>
sites in the Asia/Pacific region that are now being used to spread malicious
code. For Microsoft, this latest security lapse
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671954-0-0-0-1>
negates the good will the company earned last month when it released no
major security updates, especially when you consider the fact that these
attacks are apparently closely linked to
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671957-0-0-0-1>
similar attacks made during the Super Bowl. But Microsoft shouldn't feel too
bad about taking
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671960-0-0-0-1>
so long to get a fix out because the folks at
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671963-0-0-0-1>
Firefox are vulnerable to the same type of attacks, while others warn that
anything built using
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671966-0-0-0-1>
AJAX is likely to have its own set of security woes. 
 
*****************************************************


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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Fri Apr  6 08:40:34 2007
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:40:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Upgrades
Message-ID: <46161592.19068.306522A@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com>

Hello all,

I hope you are all having a good Easter Weekend and that you won't 
miss the lists too much.

I have to do an upgrade on the server, so it will be mostly up, but 
at some points going down over this weekend.

If, at the end of the day, you are having problems, please e-mail me 
at listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or IF THAT DOES NOT WORK, e-mail 
me at bryan at carbonnell.ca

The main reason for this upgrade is for spam control. We are getting 
hammered at the server and I need to implement a spam control 
solution.

Again, if you have any problems, contact me at 
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or bryan at carbonnell.ca

-- 
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  6 08:52:34 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:52:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
Message-ID: <337978.6942.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes. The majority of the time it works that way in my app as well. But we are seeing a considerable amount of times that it does not work that way. Especially when the user has more than one IE window open already.
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



----- Original Message ----
From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 8:38:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.


Hi Lonnie

That is how my A2003 and IE7 behave by default. I don't even know how to change that.

/gustav

>>> prodevmg at yahoo.com 06-04-2007 05:13 >>>
I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I do that?


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____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peek at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 08:57:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:57:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00fb01c77853$7fbf4a50$8abea8c0@XPS>

Rocky,

<<Anyone have any experience with this or know of any limitations with
Access in this regard?>>

  Access with JET as a db engine is not designed to run over a WAN and
sooner or later, you will have corruption.  You need to use Citrix or
Terminal Services for remote users if your using JET.

  Alternative is Access with an SQL backend of some type.  That you can do
over a WAN.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  6 09:05:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:05:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>
References: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
	<001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <002301c77854$96d843d0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Believe me, I have been sweating plenty already.  8>(~) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server

...geez Eric. you could have allowed JC to at least sweat a bit longer :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at verizon.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server


> Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager.
>
> EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
>        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
>        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
> Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
> (active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out 
> on
> a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
> directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql server
> is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Apr  6 09:40:25 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:40:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
References: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>
	<002301c77854$96d843d0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <001401c77859$847374d0$982b124c@50nm721>

...amazing how often us old horses don't do as we say ...can't count the 
number of times I've been caught without a backup when I really needed one 
...and then resolve to never do that again ...until the next time :)
William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server


> Believe me, I have been sweating plenty already.  8>(~)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
> ...geez Eric. you could have allowed JC to at least sweat a bit longer :)
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at verizon.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
>
>> Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager.
>>
>> EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
>>        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
>> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
>>        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
>> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
>> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>>
>> Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
>> (active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out
>> on
>> a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
>> directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql 
>> server
>> is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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>>
>>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 09:51:50 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:51:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001401c77859$847374d0$982b124c@50nm721>
References: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
	<001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>
	<002301c77854$96d843d0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<001401c77859$847374d0$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950704060751h5d7f436nf9b3e83dda14c352@mail.gmail.com>

As I recall his database is HUGE though and he was still looking for a
method to back it up.   Good luck getting it back online John. So much
for that RAID disk technology saving you eh?  ;-)   Got bit by
something else than a drive failure I take it?

GK

On 4/6/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> ...amazing how often us old horses don't do as we say ...can't count the
> number of times I've been caught without a backup when I really needed one
> ...and then resolve to never do that again ...until the next time :)
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
>
> > Believe me, I have been sweating plenty already.  8>(~)
> >
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:41 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
> >
> > ...geez Eric. you could have allowed JC to at least sweat a bit longer :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at verizon.net>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
> >
> >
> >> Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager.
> >>
> >> EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
> >>        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> >> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
> >>        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> >> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> >> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
> >>
> >> Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
> >> (active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out
> >> on
> >> a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
> >> directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql
> >> server
> >> is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr  6 10:24:49 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:24:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <0JG100AJ4EIZJ0Y0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <004d01c7785f$b79a7dd0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

I'll forward your name to the client.  He's in Canada.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Hi Rocky:

If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely done
enough of that type of work.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  6 11:04:44 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:04:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim


From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 11:24:40 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:24:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JG3003QE49CR2A2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

The concept of a dataset in .NET is that of a database container. The
dataset contains datatables. In essence you can copy the whole database
structure into memory so that you can minimize roundtrips to the server.
Once you have the tables or recordsets in memory your app can process data,
apply business rules, etc... And then you can connect back to the database
and update the database tables using your updated recordsets or datatables.

In web-based apps I've seen code that creates an instance of the dataset
using session variables (a pointer to the actual dataset). Anytime the
application needs the dataset it just needs to use the session variable that
represents the dataset and perform any operations.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence, and
our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business logic off
to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I mentioned Access,
I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app is
designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in SQL
Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The application has to
be flexible enough to run either way and to be capable of switching between
the two, if need be (they tend to move their licenses around!).  Rather than
creating different versions of the app for the varying environments, we
simply built one that would work across the board.  That may change someday,
but we're still in the process of migrating our apps and our clients into
the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE is or
what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat list of rows,
but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from one or more tables.
A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind of class and models the
details of the data structure in code.  You can create them from scratch or
using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make available.
Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically connected the form to
the datastore the entity represents, so you can program to its columns,
methods, and properties as if it were a recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting firm
to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They did admit
when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen a Win-based
.Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe I should say our
clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have SQL
Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored in XML
files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to the calling
data provider routine.  The only business logic on the server is in
cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except relationships at
this point because we still have to handle both SQL Server and Access back
ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly that's part of the overall
solution.  Not sure what you mean by a desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has it
core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick client
(this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed to thin
client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original hole
in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested in
how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML option in
.Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML in MS
SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 12:00:43 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:00:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the Business
Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO can be
compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a presentation tier in
just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back and
forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking with
the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full 3-tier app
with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP at
the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  6 12:10:54 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:10:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  6 13:12:51 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:12:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086961@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

www.asp.net 
 
Covers a lot of this with some good video tutorials
 
I used this as a reference site in my book
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 06/04/2007 18:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL



I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc). 

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive. 

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.

We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?

Charlotte Foust

MTIA

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Apr  6 13:52:24 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:52:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
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Jim,

This is an article about Microsoft slowly letting go of VFP. It may become
open-source to some extent.

http://adtmag.com/article.aspx?id=20382



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the Business
Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO can be
compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a presentation tier in
just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back and
forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking with
the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full 3-tier app
with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP at
the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 14:51:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:51:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <002601c7787c$b7fbaa70$0200a8c0@danwaters>
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Dan,

  Yes, Microsoft has announced that there will be no new versions of VFP.
Standard support dies in 2010 and Extended support in 2015.  The language
however is mature and stable enough that I have no qualms about writing a
new app with it.  I use another language to this day called NPL, which
started out as Wang Basic.  I'm still supporting some of my clients on code
that I wrote back in the 80's.  The language has been "dead" for ten years
or more, but the code still does what they want it to and is still running.
So the timeframe for support and the fact that VFP is now officially dead
doesn't bother me.  Look how many of us still use DAO<g>.

   I'm giving it serious consideration because it brings a lot to the table
that I simply can't do with Access. But so far, I've also found that it
takes longer to develop an app as well (probably me; hard to teach an old
dog new tricks<g>).

  BTW, The open source initiative is not for VFP itself (which many articles
have claimed), but for the Senda add-on, which Microsoft will be releasing
shortly.  It allows VFP to integrate with .Net and SQL Server 2005 to a
greater extent. But it already has all the features I need to develop a
solid app and I'm not counting on any of it.  About the only thing that
might be nice is the OO menuing add-on.  It's the only part of VFP that's
not OO.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Jim,

This is an article about Microsoft slowly letting go of VFP. It may become
open-source to some extent.

http://adtmag.com/article.aspx?id=20382



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the Business
Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO can be
compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a presentation tier in
just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back and
forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking with
the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full 3-tier app
with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP at
the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 14:51:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:51:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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Charlotte,

<< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
now.>>

  That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 14:55:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:55:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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  Thanks for the link as this is a direction I want to start heading in...

  Here's a link I just picked up the other day on ASP development.  Seems to
be pretty good from what I've read so far.

  Starts of really sl o w....which is good for me<g> 

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

www.asp.net 
 
Covers a lot of this with some good video tutorials
 
I used this as a reference site in my book
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 06/04/2007 18:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL



I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc). 

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive. 

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.

We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?

Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 15:08:30 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:08:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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 Let's try that again...

http://www.webwizguide.com/asp/tutorials/default.asp 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

www.asp.net 
 
Covers a lot of this with some good video tutorials
 
I used this as a reference site in my book
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 06/04/2007 18:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL



I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc). 

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive. 

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.

We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?

Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Fri Apr  6 19:17:16 2007
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:17:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Upgrade Complete
Message-ID: <4616AACC.16681.54D3C94@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com>

Well, the server upgrade has been completed.

Hopefully you didn't notice too much of a disruption through out the 
day today.

If you run across anything out of the ordinary, please e-mail me at 
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or if that does not work, 
bryan at carbonnell.ca

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 19:42:44 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:42:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will
have to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to 
conform with.
The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act,
also known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
Jan. 2004.
There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised when 
password only.
Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
looking through
STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor only access.
So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are 
into the $20 range).
Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat 
this 6 months ago.
By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data 
Privacy Acts.
This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.


Jim Dettman wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
>now.>>
>
>  That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
>a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
>give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  
>
>Jim.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Charlotte,
>
>  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
>The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
>Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
>can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
>presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  
>
>  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
>provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.
>
>  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
>and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
>with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
>3-tier app with VFP/VMP).
>
>  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
>direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
>at the moment.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
>and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
>logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
>mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
>Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
>is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
>SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
>application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
>capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
>their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
>app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
>across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
>process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL
>
>A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
>is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
>list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
>one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
>of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
>create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
>They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
>exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
>available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
>connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
>program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
>recordsource in an Access form.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Hi Charlotte:
>
>I will comment inline
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
>firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
>did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
>a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
>I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
>yet.
>
>Comment: Sounds very impressive.  
>
>We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
>clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
>SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
>in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
>the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
>server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
>relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
>Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
>that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
>desktop design.
>
>Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
>it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
>client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
>to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
> 
>We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
>geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
>with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
>hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
>wellbore.
>
>Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
>in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
>divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
>abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
>option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
>party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
>in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
>capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
>Maybe a bird's-eye view?
> 
>Charlotte Foust
>
>MTIA
>
>Jim
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 22:04:48 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:04:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JG30008ZXPT8Q32@l-daemon>

When will it be when all that is needed is a drop of blood to confirm the
users DNA. It might be difficult to create a system for people that is
people proof. The cost to implementing the level of security you described
below will be incredible. Anything like a key will not work as someone is
bound to leave it just hanging from the terminal or sitting next to the
station or just loss it... (A key to one of the local banks just found
laying on our street one day) and then there is backup copies etc...

And then there is biometrics and for any who saw the SCIFI movie Gaidica.

It all sound like a combination someone's idea of a money making adventure
and someone's knee-jerk reaction to a couple of exaggerated events.

Now if you want to hear my opinion... just ask. :-)

Good research as always Marty.

Jim    

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will
have to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to 
conform with.
The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act,
also known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
Jan. 2004.
There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised when 
password only.
Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
looking through
STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor only access.
So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are 
into the $20 range).
Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat 
this 6 months ago.
By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data 
Privacy Acts.
This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.


Jim Dettman wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
>now.>>
>
>  That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
>a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
>give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  
>
>Jim.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Charlotte,
>
>  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
>The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
>Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
>can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
>presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  
>
>  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
>provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.
>
>  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
>and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
>with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
>3-tier app with VFP/VMP).
>
>  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
>direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
>at the moment.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
>and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
>logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
>mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
>Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
>is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
>SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
>application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
>capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
>their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
>app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
>across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
>process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL
>
>A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
>is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
>list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
>one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
>of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
>create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
>They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
>exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
>available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
>connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
>program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
>recordsource in an Access form.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Hi Charlotte:
>
>I will comment inline
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
>firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
>did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
>a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
>I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
>yet.
>
>Comment: Sounds very impressive.  
>
>We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
>clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
>SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
>in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
>the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
>server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
>relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
>Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
>that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
>desktop design.
>
>Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
>it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
>client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
>to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
> 
>We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
>geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
>with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
>hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
>wellbore.
>
>Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
>in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
>divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
>abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
>option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
>party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
>in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
>capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
>Maybe a bird's-eye view?
> 
>Charlotte Foust
>
>MTIA
>
>Jim
>  
>

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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Sat Apr  7 07:21:57 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:21:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <200704072222.00209.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

.. to change the orientation of a report half way through.


I've not tried this before.  But now I've got a sub report that occurs several 
pages into a report and it would fit better if the page orientation was 
landscape.


In fact it would only fit at all.

Page 1 has summary information, 5 subreports (4 graphs and a short table)
Page 2-n has an item by item subreport
Page 2n+1 I want to put an analysis summary of the (2-n) items

I have the sub report for the analysis, its' "beautiful", but it needs to be 
landscaped.

AS I said, I've not tried this before,  I tried various .Orientation and 
various PrtDevMode hacks but I'm beginnig to think it's not possible?

-- 
regards

Bruce


From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Sat Apr  7 08:01:07 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:01:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Reports - Conditional formatting question
In-Reply-To: <200703290105.l2T15uU24698@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200703290105.l2T15uU24698@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704072301.08468.bbruen@unwired.com.au>


On Thursday 29 March 2007 11:05, Darren DICK wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> If the background is transparent then you can't apply a colour - well you
> can but it won't be seen
>
> So you need to test for your condition in code then you have to set the
> .background = 1 (Normal) as well and vice versa when turning it off -
> .background =0 if your condition is not met
>
> This is gonna fail in a continuous form by the way a it will apply the
> .background to all field in the continuous list
>
> Haven't tested it but hope this helps
>
> Gimme a yell and I will show you a cool way I handle marking records as
> "current" - or not using conditional formatting
>
>
> See ya
>
> DD
Hi Darren,

I finaly gave up and went with the four available conditional formats (see my 
PEBCAK response.  It works, just... but it aint optimal.
  
I'll pre-empt your offer on the "current" idea as I'm trying to get around 5 
or 6 or 7 or ...AAARRRGGHHH... 8 or ... "conditions" on a row, and find a way 
of highlighting the anomalous items.  There are about ~7 
different "confirmed" anomalies.  

1) The service request has not been addressed at all. (conditionalformat 
="Highlight")
2) The service request has not been addressed within <timeframe for SR's of 
this level> (conditionalformat = "Extreme") 
3) The request has been addressed and resolved. (conditionalformat ="Normal")
4) The request has been addressed, but not resolved. (conditionalformat 
= "Highlight" - but would like a slightly different colour)
5) The request has been addressed, but not resolved and the resolution 
timeframe has expired. (conditionalformat = "Extreme" but should be with an 
oxy_torch_flame)
6) The SR has been (manually) escalated - but is still outstanding. 
(conditionalformat ="Moderate" + "_zzzzzzzzzzzz" ((SEP)) )
7) The SR response requirement has been over-ridden [conditionalformat = 
KILLER!  :-( ] ("colour=red,fontsize=172")
8) The SR response requirement has been over-ridden and is overdue 
(conditionalformat = "colour=several_thousand_degrees_kelvin_ >_ red, 
fontsize=2.326^23, ring bells, flash lights, phone_dad_for_a_lift_home, 
light_blue_touch_paper_and_stand_clear")

There may be a couple of gazillion levels between each of the above, I've only 
been able to ascertain this many.  "[$DEITY] help me to find the description 
if there are any more above (8). :-)

bruce



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 09:46:38 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:46:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <004d01c7785f$b79a7dd0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <0JG100AJ4EIZJ0Y0@l-daemon>
	<004d01c7785f$b79a7dd0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704070746s19f4e01eu35258d0409d3df1f@mail.gmail.com>

I have considerable experience doing this. In one case I had 4 offices
hooked together in a WAN, all running the same Access app. That's when I
became an expert at Access replication. I put a copy of the BE on a server
in each office, that the local users talked to. In the HQ office, a box was
running Synchronizer and updated the branch BEs every 5 minutes, as I
recall. Thus the longest it could take for any remote user to see changes
made by a local user was 10 minutes. But even in the case of collisions,
Replication Manager handled them flawlessly.

This delivered much better performance than the straight WAN approach, which
I tried first and was very unsatisfied with the performance. Using
replication over the WAN resulted in much greater performance.

Arthur


On 4/6/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I'll forward your name to the client.  He's in Canada.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
> locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely done
> enough of that type of work.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a
> WAN.
> Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
> dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
> experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this
> regard?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  7 09:56:33 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:56:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704070746s19f4e01eu35258d0409d3df1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c77924$ef2b14b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Were the remotes doing updates, then?  Or read only?  

In this case the remotes will be traveling, signing in from hotels and job
sites and such.  So I suppose they could run the replication ad hoc?


Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access

I have considerable experience doing this. In one case I had 4 offices
hooked together in a WAN, all running the same Access app. That's when I
became an expert at Access replication. I put a copy of the BE on a server
in each office, that the local users talked to. In the HQ office, a box was
running Synchronizer and updated the branch BEs every 5 minutes, as I
recall. Thus the longest it could take for any remote user to see changes
made by a local user was 10 minutes. But even in the case of collisions,
Replication Manager handled them flawlessly.

This delivered much better performance than the straight WAN approach, which
I tried first and was very unsatisfied with the performance. Using
replication over the WAN resulted in much greater performance.

Arthur


On 4/6/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I'll forward your name to the client.  He's in Canada.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> If you need any help with setting up applications running at different 
> locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely 
> done enough of that type of work.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over 
> a WAN.
> Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus 
> folks dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone 
> have any experience with this or know of any limitations with Access 
> in this regard?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Apr  7 10:46:44 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:46:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reports - Conditional formatting question
In-Reply-To: <200704072301.08468.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200703290105.l2T15uU24698@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704072301.08468.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000301c7792b$f20b7420$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Bruce,

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is another approach:

COLOR	     STATUS	      MEANING

Green      New Today    (received today)
           Unanswered   (but hasn't exceeded time limit)

Yellow     Over         (over response time limit)
	     Status 4

Orange     Status 5
           Status 6

Red        Status 7
           Status 8


You can set up four background colors, and then within the colors you can
use a text field and give a name for the status of that SR.  I put in three
examples above.

This could give people the ability to quickly discriminate among the 4
colors, but then know more when they read the Level field.  You get an
unlimited number of levels this way, or perhaps 2 levels for green, 4 levels
for yellow, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another approach could be:

COLOR1     COLOR2      (Meaning)

Green      White
Green	     Light Gray
Green	     Dark Gray
Green      Black

Yellow     White
Yellow     Light Gray
Yellow     Dark Gray
Yellow     Black

This would give an escalating gray scale within each of the 4 colors.  You
get 16 color combinations with this approach.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

HTH!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports - Conditional formatting question


On Thursday 29 March 2007 11:05, Darren DICK wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> If the background is transparent then you can't apply a colour - well you
> can but it won't be seen
>
> So you need to test for your condition in code then you have to set the
> .background = 1 (Normal) as well and vice versa when turning it off -
> .background =0 if your condition is not met
>
> This is gonna fail in a continuous form by the way a it will apply the
> .background to all field in the continuous list
>
> Haven't tested it but hope this helps
>
> Gimme a yell and I will show you a cool way I handle marking records as
> "current" - or not using conditional formatting
>
>
> See ya
>
> DD
Hi Darren,

I finaly gave up and went with the four available conditional formats (see
my 
PEBCAK response.  It works, just... but it aint optimal.
  
I'll pre-empt your offer on the "current" idea as I'm trying to get around 5

or 6 or 7 or ...AAARRRGGHHH... 8 or ... "conditions" on a row, and find a
way 
of highlighting the anomalous items.  There are about ~7 
different "confirmed" anomalies.  

1) The service request has not been addressed at all. (conditionalformat 
="Highlight")
2) The service request has not been addressed within <timeframe for SR's of 
this level> (conditionalformat = "Extreme") 
3) The request has been addressed and resolved. (conditionalformat
="Normal")
4) The request has been addressed, but not resolved. (conditionalformat 
= "Highlight" - but would like a slightly different colour)
5) The request has been addressed, but not resolved and the resolution 
timeframe has expired. (conditionalformat = "Extreme" but should be with an 
oxy_torch_flame)
6) The SR has been (manually) escalated - but is still outstanding. 
(conditionalformat ="Moderate" + "_zzzzzzzzzzzz" ((SEP)) )
7) The SR response requirement has been over-ridden [conditionalformat = 
KILLER!  :-( ] ("colour=red,fontsize=172")
8) The SR response requirement has been over-ridden and is overdue 
(conditionalformat = "colour=several_thousand_degrees_kelvin_ >_ red, 
fontsize=2.326^23, ring bells, flash lights, phone_dad_for_a_lift_home, 
light_blue_touch_paper_and_stand_clear")

There may be a couple of gazillion levels between each of the above, I've
only 
been able to ascertain this many.  "[$DEITY] help me to find the description

if there are any more above (8). :-)

bruce

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Apr  7 10:48:05 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:48:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006b01c77884$f4df7590$8abea8c0@XPS> <4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c7792c$2229b8b0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Marty,

  Yes, one of my big concerns with this app is security.  That's also why
I'm approaching their requirement of possible web access with some
hesitation.  If there will not be a web interface, then the allure of doing
a 3-tier design becomes a lot less.

  The main app is going to be using SQL Server for the BE, so it will be
tight and access to the system will be through Terminal Services.  It's the
web thing that worries me, although that's not in the scope as yet.

  In the states, we need to deal with the HIPAA (Health Insurance
Portability and Accountability Act), which I need to get some info on, as
I'm not sure how far I need to go with security.  I'm assuming the worst at
this point<g>.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will
have to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to 
conform with.
The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act,
also known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
Jan. 2004.
There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised when 
password only.
Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
looking through
STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor only access.
So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are 
into the $20 range).
Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat 
this 6 months ago.
By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data 
Privacy Acts.
This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.


Jim Dettman wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
>now.>>
>
>  That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
>a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
>give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  
>
>Jim.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Charlotte,
>
>  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
>The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
>Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
>can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
>presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  
>
>  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
>provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.
>
>  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
>and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
>with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
>3-tier app with VFP/VMP).
>
>  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
>direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
>at the moment.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
>and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
>logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
>mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
>Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
>is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
>SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
>application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
>capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
>their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
>app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
>across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
>process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL
>
>A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
>is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
>list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
>one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
>of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
>create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
>They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
>exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
>available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
>connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
>program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
>recordsource in an Access form.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Hi Charlotte:
>
>I will comment inline
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
>firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
>did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
>a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
>I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
>yet.
>
>Comment: Sounds very impressive.  
>
>We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
>clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
>SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
>in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
>the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
>server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
>relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
>Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
>that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
>desktop design.
>
>Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
>it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
>client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
>to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
> 
>We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
>geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
>with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
>hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
>wellbore.
>
>Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
>in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
>divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
>abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
>option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
>party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
>in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
>capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
>Maybe a bird's-eye view?
> 
>Charlotte Foust
>
>MTIA
>
>Jim
>  
>

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Apr  7 11:07:50 2007
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:07:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax for finding value of an item in a collection
Message-ID: <00a301c7792e$e3e412a0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>

I have a collection for control names (e.g., colControls) which contains certain controls (e.g. txtLastName) on a form (e.g. frmFormA).  For example,  colControls(1) =  "[Forms]![frmFormA]![txtLastName]".

Let's say that txtLastname currently contains the name "Smith.  What is the syntax for finding the VALUE of colControls(1) , i.e., "Smith"?

Thanks,
Barb

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  7 12:13:18 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:13:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automation Problem - Closing Word
Message-ID: <002701c77938$09aa1760$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I am getting the text of a document into a string variable from a word doc.
Then I want to close word.  I get the text of the document OK (which then
goes into an email). 
 
But with the code below, the document closes but Word says open.    How can
I get WORD closed up?
 
    Dim objWord As Object
    
    ' Get the body text
    Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
    objWord.Documents.Open (argDocument)
    objWord.Selection.WholeStory
    strBody = objWord.Selection
    'MsgBox strBody
    objWord.Documents.Close
    Set objWord = Nothing

 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


 	
	


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  7 12:16:39 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:16:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <000001c7792c$2229b8b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006b01c77884$f4df7590$8abea8c0@XPS> <4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca>
	<000001c7792c$2229b8b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <4617D1F7.2070008@shaw.ca>

Two tier authentication with a USB Fob is supposed to verify
the guy with the password and the USB token are the same.
In other words the password hasn't been loaned out.
The token alone won't get you in.

There are $5 USB tokens on the market now but may require
some server hardware possibly  in 2K to 5K dollar range.
Until this year the price was around  $60.

Here are some cheap Canadian examples.
http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=41998

I have been looking for a case study where someone has hooked this
into Sharepoint sites. The vendors might be able to provide it.

Some continental European banks have been doing client web app
with USB tokens (even at an 60 Euro cost) for a couple of years.

Charlotte may have done some HIPPA work.
Aside from this there has to be a lot of data encryption.



Jim Dettman wrote:

>Marty,
>
>  Yes, one of my big concerns with this app is security.  That's also why
>I'm approaching their requirement of possible web access with some
>hesitation.  If there will not be a web interface, then the allure of doing
>a 3-tier design becomes a lot less.
>
>  The main app is going to be using SQL Server for the BE, so it will be
>tight and access to the system will be through Terminal Services.  It's the
>web thing that worries me, although that's not in the scope as yet.
>
>  In the states, we need to deal with the HIPAA (Health Insurance
>Portability and Accountability Act), which I need to get some info on, as
>I'm not sure how far I need to go with security.  I'm assuming the worst at
>this point<g>.
>
>Jim.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:43 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will
>have to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to 
>conform with.
>The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act,
>also known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
>Jan. 2004.
>There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised when 
>password only.
>Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
>looking through
>STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor only access.
>So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are 
>into the $20 range).
>Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat 
>this 6 months ago.
>By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data 
>Privacy Acts.
>This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.
>
>
>Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Charlotte,
>>
>><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
>>now.>>
>>
>> That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
>>a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
>>give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  
>>
>>Jim.  
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>>
>>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
>>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
>>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
>>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>    
>>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  7 12:19:45 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:19:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automation Problem - Closing Word
In-Reply-To: <002701c77938$09aa1760$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002701c77938$09aa1760$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4617D2B1.8070305@shaw.ca>

Add this line

  objWord.Documents.Close
  objWord.Quit
  Set objWord = Nothing



Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dear List:
> 
>I am getting the text of a document into a string variable from a word doc.
>Then I want to close word.  I get the text of the document OK (which then
>goes into an email). 
> 
>But with the code below, the document closes but Word says open.    How can
>I get WORD closed up?
> 
>    Dim objWord As Object
>    
>    ' Get the body text
>    Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>    objWord.Documents.Open (argDocument)
>    objWord.Selection.WholeStory
>    strBody = objWord.Selection
>    'MsgBox strBody
>    objWord.Documents.Close
>    Set objWord = Nothing
>
> 
>MTIA
> 
>Rocky
> 
>
>
> 	
>	
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  7 12:20:06 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:20:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <s617eef4.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Bruce

You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF file or directly to a Postscript printer.

/gustav

>>> bbruen at unwired.com.au 07-04-07 14:21 >>>
.. to change the orientation of a report half way through.


I've not tried this before.  But now I've got a sub report that occurs several 
pages into a report and it would fit better if the page orientation was 
landscape.


In fact it would only fit at all.

Page 1 has summary information, 5 subreports (4 graphs and a short table)
Page 2-n has an item by item subreport
Page 2n+1 I want to put an analysis summary of the (2-n) items

I have the sub report for the analysis, its' "beautiful", but it needs to be 
landscaped.

AS I said, I've not tried this before,  I tried various .Orientation and 
various PrtDevMode hacks but I'm beginnig to think it's not possible?

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Bruce




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  7 13:00:42 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:00:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax for finding value of an item in a	collection
Message-ID: <s617f875.061@cactus.dk>

Hi Barb

Couldn't that be:

varValue = Me.Controls(Split(colControls(1), "!")(2)).Value
or:
varValue = Forms(Split(colControls(1), "!")(1)).Controls(Split(colControls(1), "!")(2)).Value

/gustav

>>> BarbaraRyan at cox.net 07-04-07 18:07 >>>
I have a collection for control names (e.g., colControls) which contains certain controls (e.g. txtLastName) on a form (e.g. frmFormA).  For example,  colControls(1) =  "[Forms]![frmFormA]![txtLastName]".

Let's say that txtLastname currently contains the name "Smith.  What is the syntax for finding the VALUE of colControls(1) , i.e., "Smith"?

Thanks,
Barb




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  7 13:30:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:30:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automation Problem - Closing Word
In-Reply-To: <4617D2B1.8070305@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002f01c77942$c83b9960$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Aha.  Quit.  Thank you.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automation Problem - Closing Word

Add this line

  objWord.Documents.Close
  objWord.Quit
  Set objWord = Nothing



Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dear List:
> 
>I am getting the text of a document into a string variable from a word doc.
>Then I want to close word.  I get the text of the document OK (which 
>then goes into an email).
> 
>But with the code below, the document closes but Word says open.    How can
>I get WORD closed up?
> 
>    Dim objWord As Object
>    
>    ' Get the body text
>    Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>    objWord.Documents.Open (argDocument)
>    objWord.Selection.WholeStory
>    strBody = objWord.Selection
>    'MsgBox strBody
>    objWord.Documents.Close
>    Set objWord = Nothing
>
> 
>MTIA
> 
>Rocky
> 
>
>
> 	
>	
>  
>

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Apr  7 14:03:40 2007
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:03:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax for finding value of an item in a	collection
References: <s617f875.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00cc01c77947$74aa5f70$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>

Hi, Gustav....

Thanks for your  reply.  I forgot to mention that I am using the collection 
within a class.  I just discovered that

varValue = mfrm.Controls(i).Value

seems to work.  I thought I had already tried that approach --- I may have 
been referencing a control type not having a value property.

Thanks,
Barb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax for finding value of an item in a collection


> Hi Barb
>
> Couldn't that be:
>
> varValue = Me.Controls(Split(colControls(1), "!")(2)).Value
> or:
> varValue = Forms(Split(colControls(1), 
> "!")(1)).Controls(Split(colControls(1), "!")(2)).Value
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> BarbaraRyan at cox.net 07-04-07 18:07 >>>
> I have a collection for control names (e.g., colControls) which contains 
> certain controls (e.g. txtLastName) on a form (e.g. frmFormA).  For 
> example,  colControls(1) =  "[Forms]![frmFormA]![txtLastName]".
>
> Let's say that txtLastname currently contains the name "Smith.  What is 
> the syntax for finding the VALUE of colControls(1) , i.e., "Smith"?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb
>
>
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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Sat Apr  7 17:41:45 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David & Joanne Gould)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:41:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
Message-ID: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>

I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that 
came with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated 
from the CD case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what 
software. Does any know if there is a tool around that can identify 
what software and version a key is from it's code?

Hope this makes sense.

TIA

David Gould
DG Solutions




From nd500_lo at charter.net  Sat Apr  7 17:52:08 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:52:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
Message-ID: <000001c77967$5f477760$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

I don't know of one...my first suggestion is to call Microsoft and let them
sort it...second suggestion...set up baby db to keep it
controlled...sorry...I'm quiet, but not dead... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David & Joanne
Gould
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys

I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that came
with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated from the CD
case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what software. Does any know
if there is a tool around that can identify what software and version a key
is from it's code?

Hope this makes sense.

TIA

David Gould
DG Solutions


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From david.gray at tpg.com.au  Sat Apr  7 18:21:08 2007
From: david.gray at tpg.com.au (David Gray)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:21:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <000001c77967$5f477760$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
	<000001c77967$5f477760$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <000601c7796b$6cb74480$4625cd80$@gray@tpg.com.au>

I've always thought Microsoft should print the name of the software with the
key. I wonder why they don't? Is it a security thing? Although I can't see
how! The keys should also be in a bigger font for us oldies. The number of
times I mistake an 8 for a B and visa versa.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 8:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] mystery software keys

I don't know of one...my first suggestion is to call Microsoft and let them
sort it...second suggestion...set up baby db to keep it
controlled...sorry...I'm quiet, but not dead... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David & Joanne
Gould
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys

I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that came
with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated from the CD
case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what software. Does any know
if there is a tool around that can identify what software and version a key
is from it's code?

Hope this makes sense.

TIA

David Gould
DG Solutions


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From bill_patten at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  7 19:25:38 2007
From: bill_patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:25:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
Message-ID: <A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>

Hi David,
If the software is already installed in a computer or computers you can 
sometimes search the registry for say the first 5 characters of the key , 
for example I searched for T499P and the PDKey was located in 
hklm\software\\\\Visual Studio\\\ So I would know that that key was for my 
VS 2005.

Any that can  be found can be marked perhaps shortening the list of unknown. 
You can also use a program called SIW that will show many licenses under 
it's secret tab. SIW does not work on Vista 64 but does on XP. Google SIW

Hope this helps a little

 Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David & Joanne Gould" <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys


>I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that
> came with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated
> from the CD case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what
> software. Does any know if there is a tool around that can identify
> what software and version a key is from it's code?
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> TIA
>
> David Gould
> DG Solutions
>
>
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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Sat Apr  7 20:07:46 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:07:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
	<A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>
Message-ID: <000001c7797a$546b7d10$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

I was harsh...and I apologize for that...have some friends looking for the
way (assuming it cannot be found on the computer in question) to find what
he needs. I'm very sorry...just found it irritating that someone didn't keep
ALL the info together...it's a (siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh) db thing... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] mystery software keys

Hi David,
If the software is already installed in a computer or computers you can
sometimes search the registry for say the first 5 characters of the key ,
for example I searched for T499P and the PDKey was located in
hklm\software\\\\Visual Studio\\\ So I would know that that key was for my
VS 2005.

Any that can  be found can be marked perhaps shortening the list of unknown.

You can also use a program called SIW that will show many licenses under
it's secret tab. SIW does not work on Vista 64 but does on XP. Google SIW

Hope this helps a little

 Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & Joanne Gould" <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys


>I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that
> came with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated
> from the CD case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what
> software. Does any know if there is a tool around that can identify
> what software and version a key is from it's code?
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> TIA
>
> David Gould
> DG Solutions
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Apr  7 20:58:09 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:58:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
	<A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>
Message-ID: <001d01c77981$5bafabd0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I've used Belarc Advisor and it sometimes shows keys (along with every other
piece of info about your PC!).  It's at:

http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Dan


-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [AccessD] mystery software keys

Hi David,
If the software is already installed in a computer or computers you can 
sometimes search the registry for say the first 5 characters of the key , 
for example I searched for T499P and the PDKey was located in 
hklm\software\\\\Visual Studio\\\ So I would know that that key was for my 
VS 2005.

Any that can  be found can be marked perhaps shortening the list of unknown.

You can also use a program called SIW that will show many licenses under 
it's secret tab. SIW does not work on Vista 64 but does on XP. Google SIW

Hope this helps a little

 Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys


>I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that
> came with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated
> from the CD case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what
> software. Does any know if there is a tool around that can identify
> what software and version a key is from it's code?
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> TIA
>
> David Gould
> DG Solutions
>




From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Sun Apr  8 04:36:19 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:36:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
In-Reply-To: <s617eef4.060@cactus.dk>
References: <s617eef4.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <200704081936.20179.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript
> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>
> /gustav

YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible then.

-- 
regards

Bruce


From adtp at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  8 08:56:53 2007
From: adtp at hotmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:26:53 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
References: <200704072222.00209.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV52BA9BCE441A7AC1AC1BBCE5A0@phx.gbl>

Bruce,

    Apparently, your requirement translates into printing first portion of the report (containing n number of pages) in portrait layout, followed by remaining portion in landscape layout.

    If the presumption made above is correct, are you in a position to set up two separate reports in respective layouts? If so, it should be possible to ensure that page numbering for second report is in continuation to the first one, so that overall, it constitutes one report.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bruce Bruen 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 15:06
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible...


On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript
> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>
> /gustav

YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible then.

regards
Bruce

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bruce Bruen 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 17:51
  Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...


  .. to change the orientation of a report half way through.

  I've not tried this before.  But now I've got a sub report that occurs several pages into a report and it would fit better if the page orientation was landscape.

  In fact it would only fit at all.

  Page 1 has summary information, 5 subreports (4 graphs and a short table)
  Page 2-n has an item by item subreport
  Page 2n+1 I want to put an analysis summary of the (2-n) items

  I have the sub report for the analysis, its' "beautiful", but it needs to be landscaped.

  AS I said, I've not tried this before,  I tried various .Orientation and 
  various PrtDevMode hacks but I'm beginnig to think it's not possible?

  regards
  Bruce


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  8 16:35:03 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:35:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <s6197c39.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Bruce

Not as far as I know. Problem is that you cannot ask the report to send custom control or Postscript code to the printer. 
Thus, you'll have - somehow - to split the print job into several, each with its own printer setup, or output the print job to a file which you later manipulate before sending it to print.

/gustav

>>> bbruen at unwired.com.au 08-04-07 11:36 >>>
On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript
> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>
> /gustav

YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible then.

-- 
regards

Bruce




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  8 17:18:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:18:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
In-Reply-To: <s6197c39.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003701c77a2b$e162a7f0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Gustav:

What would happen if he made two sub reports - 1 in portrait and one in
landscape - then dropped them both onto a parent report?  Would the fist
sub-report come out with a different orientation than the second?  Or would
they both follow the orientation of the parent report regardless of how they
were set up?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible...

Hi Bruce

Not as far as I know. Problem is that you cannot ask the report to send
custom control or Postscript code to the printer. 
Thus, you'll have - somehow - to split the print job into several, each with
its own printer setup, or output the print job to a file which you later
manipulate before sending it to print.

/gustav

>>> bbruen at unwired.com.au 08-04-07 11:36 >>>
On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use 
> Ghostscript to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new 
> postscript or PDF file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>
> /gustav

YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible
then.

--
regards

Bruce


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Apr  8 22:07:51 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:07:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
References: <s617eef4.060@cactus.dk> <200704081936.20179.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000501c77a54$436989a0$982b124c@jisshowsbs.local>

Bruce

...never say never ...my code library is loaded with things written by 
people here that I would have sworn were impossible in Access ...most of 
which I manage to use successfully without ever groking what they are going 
on about :)

...though I've not tried to switch orientation in the middle of a report 
myself, I know you can pause a report at a specific page, change the printer 
tray, print a page from that tray, and then pause and change back using the 
printdev mode properties as in mskb 200546 ...so long as the printer driver 
supports those properties ...and since page orientation is also a property 
of printdev mode, it would seem worth the time to try changing it at the 
same time you change printer trays using virtually the same code.

...if not, then you might have to look at creating separate reports and 
numbering the pages of each correctly.

...or if you want to walk on the wild side, use Lebans rotate text code to 
brute force design a portrait formatted subreport to look like a landscape 
format.

...if you do get it to work, let us in on the secret, eh.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at unwired.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible...


> On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi Bruce
>>
>> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use 
>> Ghostscript
>> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
>> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>>
>> /gustav
>
> YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible 
> then.
>
> -- 
> regards
>
> Bruce
> -- 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  9 05:14:46 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:14:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <s61a2e44.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

As far as I know, the parent report controls all printer settings; those of the subreport(s) are ignored.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 09-04-2007 00:18 >>>
Gustav:

What would happen if he made two sub reports - 1 in portrait and one in
landscape - then dropped them both onto a parent report?  Would the fist
sub-report come out with a different orientation than the second?  Or would
they both follow the orientation of the parent report regardless of how they
were set up?

Rocky





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  9 05:29:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:29:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <s61a31ac.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Bruce and William

It may be possible, but remember that you may encounter two problems: first, changing printer objects may fail in restricted (corporate) environments, and even if you succeed you may end up with two or more print jobs which - again in corporate environments - may get mixed with other print jobs.

However, the physical printer is perfectly capable of switching side orientation between pages - in PCL it is one single command - and that command is issued routinely by most applications before printing a page. That's why I assume it would be realistic to locate this command in a saved print file, change it, and then print the file - which would result in one print job. I've never had the need, though, for such fancy printing, so it is no more than an idea.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 09-04-2007 05:07 >>>
Bruce

...never say never ...my code library is loaded with things written by 
people here that I would have sworn were impossible in Access ...most of 
which I manage to use successfully without ever groking what they are going 
on about :)

...though I've not tried to switch orientation in the middle of a report 
myself, I know you can pause a report at a specific page, change the printer 
tray, print a page from that tray, and then pause and change back using the 
printdev mode properties as in mskb 200546 ...so long as the printer driver 
supports those properties ...and since page orientation is also a property 
of printdev mode, it would seem worth the time to try changing it at the 
same time you change printer trays using virtually the same code.

...if not, then you might have to look at creating separate reports and 
numbering the pages of each correctly.

...or if you want to walk on the wild side, use Lebans rotate text code to 
brute force design a portrait formatted subreport to look like a landscape 
format.

...if you do get it to work, let us in on the secret, eh.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at unwired.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible...


> On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi Bruce
>>
>> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript
>> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
>> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>>
>> /gustav
>
> YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible then.
>
> -- 
> regards
>
> Bruce




From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Apr  9 09:19:46 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:19:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <0JFV00KQYL2YKZ00@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <41363.41171.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0JFV00KQYL2YKZ00@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <004301c77ab2$20c0c4a0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

Also, note that for best scalability and best practices, users should
connect to the database, do what they need, then disconnect.  So really, the
users should not be connected to the database all of the time as in Access.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

Sp_who and sp_who2 will give you processes and connections...not unique
users.

This gives you a count of processes connected to the specified database name

select count(*) from master.dbo.sysprocesses
where dbid = db_id('databasename') 

This gives you unique logins connected to the specified database name

select distinct loginame from master.dbo.sysprocesses
where loginame = 'userlogin'
and dbid = db_id('databasename')

NOTE: if your application's processes use one login for all users then you
won't get a true value. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

You can do a passthrough query to the master database and execute this
system stored procedure. 

EXEC SP_WHO
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases Visit me at ==>
http://www.prodev.us


----- Original Message ----
From: JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:31:59 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server


Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  9 09:30:24 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:30:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <004301c77ab2$20c0c4a0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <41363.41171.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0JFV00KQYL2YKZ00@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
	<004301c77ab2$20c0c4a0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <003701c77ab3$9cbd1300$657aa8c0@m6805>

For best practices, users should be selected at random to be publicly
Colbyized (20,000 feet, out the door without a parachute), thereby keeping
the rest in line.

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

Also, note that for best scalability and best practices, users should
connect to the database, do what they need, then disconnect.  So really, the
users should not be connected to the database all of the time as in Access.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

Sp_who and sp_who2 will give you processes and connections...not unique
users.

This gives you a count of processes connected to the specified database name

select count(*) from master.dbo.sysprocesses where dbid =
db_id('databasename') 

This gives you unique logins connected to the specified database name

select distinct loginame from master.dbo.sysprocesses where loginame =
'userlogin'
and dbid = db_id('databasename')

NOTE: if your application's processes use one login for all users then you
won't get a true value. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

You can do a passthrough query to the master database and execute this
system stored procedure. 

EXEC SP_WHO
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases Visit me at ==>
http://www.prodev.us


----- Original Message ----
From: JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:31:59 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server


Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  9 10:06:49 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:06:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <4617D1F7.2070008@shaw.ca>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006b01c77884$f4df7590$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca><000001c7792c$2229b8b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<4617D1F7.2070008@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A3E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Charlotte has done NO HIPPA work and is eternally grateful for that same
miracle!  

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Two tier authentication with a USB Fob is supposed to verify the guy
with the password and the USB token are the same.
In other words the password hasn't been loaned out.
The token alone won't get you in.

There are $5 USB tokens on the market now but may require some server
hardware possibly  in 2K to 5K dollar range.
Until this year the price was around  $60.

Here are some cheap Canadian examples.
http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=41998

I have been looking for a case study where someone has hooked this into
Sharepoint sites. The vendors might be able to provide it.

Some continental European banks have been doing client web app with USB
tokens (even at an 60 Euro cost) for a couple of years.

Charlotte may have done some HIPPA work.
Aside from this there has to be a lot of data encryption.



Jim Dettman wrote:

>Marty,
>
>  Yes, one of my big concerns with this app is security.  That's also 
>why I'm approaching their requirement of possible web access with some 
>hesitation.  If there will not be a web interface, then the allure of 
>doing a 3-tier design becomes a lot less.
>
>  The main app is going to be using SQL Server for the BE, so it will 
>be tight and access to the system will be through Terminal Services.  
>It's the web thing that worries me, although that's not in the scope as
yet.
>
>  In the states, we need to deal with the HIPAA (Health Insurance 
>Portability and Accountability Act), which I need to get some info on, 
>as I'm not sure how far I need to go with security.  I'm assuming the 
>worst at this point<g>.
>
>Jim.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:43 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will have 
>to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to conform 
>with.
>The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act, also 
>known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
>Jan. 2004.
>There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised 
>when password only.
>Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
>looking through STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor 
>only access.
>So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are

>into the $20 range).
>Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat

>this 6 months ago.
>By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data

>Privacy Acts.
>This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.
>
>
>Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Charlotte,
>>
>><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can 
>>right now.>>
>>
>> That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to 
>>want a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at 
>>some point give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.
>>
>>Jim.  
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>Foust
>>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>>
>>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It 
>>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next 
>>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they

>>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into
Access.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>    
>>

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr  9 11:39:02 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:02 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  9 12:00:38 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:00:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
Message-ID: <s61a8d6b.071@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

You are on the track. You need: 

  UNION ALL

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 09-04-2007 18:39 >>>
I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;





From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr  9 12:09:09 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:09:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1176138001.19673.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFE6364BDA.751677ED-ON852572B8.005DF66F-852572B8.005E37B6@is002023.gdls.com>

If you want the duplicates, why are you using the "DISTINCT" keyword, 
which tells Access that you don't want them? If you want the duplicates, 
don't use either of the distinct or distinctrow keywords.

Sorry if this is too simple, but your SQL code doesn't seem to match what 
you say you're looking for.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:02 -0500 
From: "Hale, Jim" <Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message-ID:
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I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I 
believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no 
avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, 
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, 
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  9 12:29:33 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:29:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <0JG800HL4R2ZBXO2@l-daemon>

Jim 

UNION ALL will get them all. 

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query

I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;

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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Apr  9 12:39:29 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:39:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C05074202@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Jim,
I would think that taking out "DISTINCT" in the first query would work.
Another option - one that I use - is to create each query separately and insure the results of each query are what is needed.
Then use a simple union between them.
For example:  
If your first query was qryPlanCapex and your second was qryYTD_PlanCapex the your union query would be:

SELECT * 
>From qryPlanCapex
Union select *
>From qryYTD_PlanCapex

As long as each query has the same number of fields and are in the same order it should work.

HTH

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query

I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  9 12:56:57 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:56:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
In-Reply-To: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C05074202@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F16A8F5B63D84A5CFE5691DD2590@phx.gbl>

I've replied to this post before...but I have not seen it show up...

this is from the help file:"By default, no duplicate records are returned 
when you use a UNION operation; however, you can include the ALL predicate 
to ensure that all records are returned. This also makes the query run 
faster."

Good Luck,

Mark


>From: "Jim Hewson" <JHewson at karta.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:39:29 -0500
>
>Jim,
>I would think that taking out "DISTINCT" in the first query would work.
>Another option - one that I use - is to create each query separately and 
>insure the results of each query are what is needed.
>Then use a simple union between them.
>For example:
>If your first query was qryPlanCapex and your second was qryYTD_PlanCapex 
>the your union query would be:
>
>SELECT *
> >From qryPlanCapex
>Union select *
> >From qryYTD_PlanCapex
>
>As long as each query has the same number of fields and are in the same 
>order it should work.
>
>HTH
>
>Jim
>jhewson at karta.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:39 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
>
>I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
>when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I 
>believe
>it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
>tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no 
>avail.
>Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks
>
>The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
>one:
>
>SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
>qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
>qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
>qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
>qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
>Union
>SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
>FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
>UNION
>SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
>FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr  9 12:55:21 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:55:21 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AADB@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

That did the trick! Thanks
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query


Hi Jim

You are on the track. You need: 

  UNION ALL

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 09-04-2007 18:39 >>>
I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr  9 12:57:59 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:57:59 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AADC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

Union All worked. I tried Distinct when I was fiddling around trying to find
a solution. Thanks
Jim Hale

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:09 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query


If you want the duplicates, why are you using the "DISTINCT" keyword, 
which tells Access that you don't want them? If you want the duplicates, 
don't use either of the distinct or distinctrow keywords.

Sorry if this is too simple, but your SQL code doesn't seem to match what 
you say you're looking for.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:02 -0500 
From: "Hale, Jim" <Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message-ID:
<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6 at corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
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I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I 
believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no 
avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 13:37:35 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:37:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <001701c77924$ef2b14b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <29f585dd0704070746s19f4e01eu35258d0409d3df1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<001701c77924$ef2b14b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704091137t5c79f28cjb424ec28b29f75b1@mail.gmail.com>

The best approach for them is to set up a Terminal Services box in the
office and have them log into it. It can run the Access app which in turn
talks to a BE residing on another server. That way they get maximal speed
and they are talking to the HQ database.

On 4/7/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Were the remotes doing updates, then?  Or read only?
>
> In this case the remotes will be traveling, signing in from hotels and job
> sites and such.  So I suppose they could run the replication ad hoc?
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> I have considerable experience doing this. In one case I had 4 offices
> hooked together in a WAN, all running the same Access app. That's when I
> became an expert at Access replication. I put a copy of the BE on a server
> in each office, that the local users talked to. In the HQ office, a box
> was
> running Synchronizer and updated the branch BEs every 5 minutes, as I
> recall. Thus the longest it could take for any remote user to see changes
> made by a local user was 10 minutes. But even in the case of collisions,
> Replication Manager handled them flawlessly.
>
> This delivered much better performance than the straight WAN approach,
> which
> I tried first and was very unsatisfied with the performance. Using
> replication over the WAN resulted in much greater performance.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On 4/6/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'll forward your name to the client.  He's in Canada.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Lawrence
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access
> >
> > Hi Rocky:
> >
> > If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
> > locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely
> > done enough of that type of work.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Smolin at Beach Access Software
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> > Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
> >
> > Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over
> > a WAN.
> > Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus
> > folks dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone
> > have any experience with this or know of any limitations with Access
> > in this regard?
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> > MTIA,
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> > Rocky
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 14:54:50 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:54:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
Message-ID: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  9 15:11:19 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:11:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <0JG800K84YKLF3S2@l-daemon>

Hi Jim:

For the one office I was commissioned to write a application that could
manage all their projects. One of the components was the handling of account
files, spreadsheets, invoices and other miscellaneous text file and
graphics. These files were storied externally in a public/private set of
directories but their locations were all transparently managed for the MS
Access application.

MS Access can be setup to access Outlook emails but how it would also manage
attachments is something I have never researched.

If there is any way I could help just let me know.

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  9 15:22:15 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:22:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>

One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
 legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.

You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
with based on some sort of taxonomy.

Look at TimeMatters, Legal Files, Billing Matters, and
PracticeMaster, Amicus Attorney

Both PracticeMaster and TimeMatters work with Outlook
 through MAPI and SMTP.

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/charts/casemanagementcomparison.html

http://www.timematters.com/products/timematters/

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Greetings All,
> 
>  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
>medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
>them external, but beyond that:
> 
>a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
>do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
> 
>b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
> 
>c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
>attachment or something more automatic?
> 
>  Any insights would be helpful.
> 
>Thanks,
>Jim
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Apr  9 15:44:45 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:44:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086964@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Jim
 
I just set up a case management system for the University Counselling Office in the SharePoint.
 
Email and attachments directly to  sharepoint email enabled lists. eg CounsolListName at qub.ac.uk and you can send docs directly into the sharepoint list. The user gets an automatic alert via Outlook that the doc is available.
 
Almost no programming involved. Tight integration with our Active Directory. May not be suitable for you but worked out well so far for us.
 
We use lists to split the cases up to individual staff,
 
All access is strictly internal only which saved a lot of work.

If they need to take the stuff of line we can always use A 2007 which works well for us as well. 
 
Its mainly all in test mode at the moment but we will be moving almost everything to MOSS 2007 over the next year or so.
 
Martin
 
 
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
Sent: Mon 09/04/2007 20:54
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files



Greetings All,

  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:

a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?

b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?

c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?

  Any insights would be helpful.

Thanks,
Jim
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr  9 15:54:54 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:54:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <002301c77ae9$534c33a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Jim,

I do this frequently.

I copy the files that a user has selected and move the copies to a specific
directory on the server where the db is stored.  I also make the copies
read-only so that when someone opens it (with a hyperlink path created at
run-time in code), they can't store changes over the stored copy.  I use
File Systems Object for this.

I guess an inbound fax would need to be scanned electronically to be stored
as a file.  Unless there is software that can be used to view a fax and save
it as a separate file without printing it out.

I have figured out how to pull emails from Outlook and save them as separate
files in .msg format.  I was surprised to find that when I did this, any
attachments came right along with the email!  I'll have to go through my
code to find this, and I'll reply again tomorrow.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Apr  9 16:06:39 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:06:39 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>


Regarding the attachments in emails: as has been pointed out, when you save
such emails as .msg files the attachments are included.

Regarding preventing the pesky users from damaging the stored files: I store
the files somewhere on the network and the users get at the files via an
Access app. When they select a file to examine the Access app *copies* the
original to a predefined folder on the user's home drive, and then opens the
copy for them to play with. When the Access application shuts down, any
files found in the predefined folder are deleted.

HTH

Lambert

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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  9 16:25:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:25:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
Message-ID: <007601c77aed$a1572830$657aa8c0@m6805>

I do the same.  Outlook has a collection to hold messages.  Each message has
a collection to hold attachments.  You can iterate these collections storing
the objects as you wish.  I "strip off" attachments all of the time simply
by iterating the attachments collection and doing a save of the items. 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Regarding the attachments in emails: as has been pointed out, when you save
such emails as .msg files the attachments are included.

Regarding preventing the pesky users from damaging the stored files: I store
the files somewhere on the network and the users get at the files via an
Access app. When they select a file to examine the Access app *copies* the
original to a predefined folder on the user's home drive, and then opens the
copy for them to play with. When the Access application shuts down, any
files found in the predefined folder are deleted.

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  9 16:48:48 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:48:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
In-Reply-To: <337978.6942.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B234A0AF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

There is an option in the advanced tab of the IE internet options
window, which says whether IE will 'reuse' open browser windows.  Not
sure how ie 7.0 works with that, I still use 6.x.

However, with that setting set to 'yes', what would happen is if you
have a browser window open, and you click a link (say in an email), IE
would grab that browser window and navigate to the link.  With the
setting to 'no', IE opens a NEW window every time you click a link.

Not sure if this helps or not, I saw a posted solution (I think) which
has you open a new IE instance, and then navigating to that... that
should work independent of the above mentioned setting.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.

Yes. The majority of the time it works that way in my app as well. But
we are seeing a considerable amount of times that it does not work that
way. Especially when the user has more than one IE window open already.
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



----- Original Message ----
From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 8:38:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.


Hi Lonnie

That is how my A2003 and IE7 behave by default. I don't even know how to
change that.

/gustav

>>> prodevmg at yahoo.com 06-04-2007 05:13 >>>
I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I
want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I
do that?


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <007601c77aed$a1572830$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
	<007601c77aed$a1572830$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <007d01c77b07$058c0b40$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  Sounds simple enough<g>.  I know anti-virus packages do this all the time.
Thankfully, I can standardize on Outlook as a client, so this shouldn't be a
major hurdle.  What's bouncing around in the back of my mind is working with
the faxes as well.

  I haven't played around in the e-mail/fax area for a while now (used to
use Winfax Pro<g>).  I'm sure quite a bit has changed as has the products
available.  

  I also need to explore what Exchange has to offer for handling inbound
faxes.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

I do the same.  Outlook has a collection to hold messages.  Each message has
a collection to hold attachments.  You can iterate these collections storing
the objects as you wish.  I "strip off" attachments all of the time simply
by iterating the attachments collection and doing a save of the items. 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Regarding the attachments in emails: as has been pointed out, when you save
such emails as .msg files the attachments are included.

Regarding preventing the pesky users from damaging the stored files: I store
the files somewhere on the network and the users get at the files via an
Access app. When they select a file to examine the Access app *copies* the
original to a predefined folder on the user's home drive, and then opens the
copy for them to play with. When the Access application shuts down, any
files found in the predefined folder are deleted.

HTH

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c77b07$063088a0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Thanks Lambert.  Ensuring the integrity of received files is also something
I'm concerned about.  That sounds like a good solution.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Regarding the attachments in emails: as has been pointed out, when you save
such emails as .msg files the attachments are included.

Regarding preventing the pesky users from damaging the stored files: I store
the files somewhere on the network and the users get at the files via an
Access app. When they select a file to examine the Access app *copies* the
original to a predefined folder on the user's home drive, and then opens the
copy for them to play with. When the Access application shuts down, any
files found in the predefined folder are deleted.

HTH

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS> <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>

Marty,

<<One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
 legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.>>

  Definitely a thought.. This will be for a medicals claims system.

<<You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
with based on some sort of taxonomy.>>

  Got that well in hand already.  Main worry is all these external files.
The end users are non-computer literate folks, so I need everything to be as
automatic as possible.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
 legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.

You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
with based on some sort of taxonomy.

Look at TimeMatters, Legal Files, Billing Matters, and
PracticeMaster, Amicus Attorney

Both PracticeMaster and TimeMatters work with Outlook
 through MAPI and SMTP.

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/charts/casemanagementcomparison.html

http://www.timematters.com/products/timematters/

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Greetings All,
> 
>  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
>medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
>them external, but beyond that:
> 
>a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
>do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
> 
>b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
> 
>c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
>attachment or something more automatic?
> 
>  Any insights would be helpful.
> 
>Thanks,
>Jim
>  
>

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <002301c77ae9$534c33a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<002301c77ae9$534c33a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <007f01c77b07$067f44e0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Dan,

  How do you view the attachments once they are in .msg format?  I assume
you'd need to go through Outlook, or do they show up as individual files?

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Hi Jim,

I do this frequently.

I copy the files that a user has selected and move the copies to a specific
directory on the server where the db is stored.  I also make the copies
read-only so that when someone opens it (with a hyperlink path created at
run-time in code), they can't store changes over the stored copy.  I use
File Systems Object for this.

I guess an inbound fax would need to be scanned electronically to be stored
as a file.  Unless there is software that can be used to view a fax and save
it as a separate file without printing it out.

I have figured out how to pull emails from Outlook and save them as separate
files in .msg format.  I was surprised to find that when I did this, any
attachments came right along with the email!  I'll have to go through my
code to find this, and I'll reply again tomorrow.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086964@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086964@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <008001c77b07$06d77700$8abea8c0@XPS>

Martin,

  Thanks for that.  I have been starting to explore Share Point as one of
the recommendations I'll be making is for them to purchase SBS 2003 and
Office.  My problem is I can't really find anything in all the fluff that
Microsoft has about what it actually does or how it does it.  I probably
should install it and play with it (I have a MSDN Universal subscription) or
buy a book.

  This setup will have medical records coming in via e-mail and fax.  Most
are .tiff or PDF format. I'd really like a setup where I strip off the
attachment, tag and save them. Some type of notification to the user will
also be required (I was thinking it would be just the e-mail or fax itself
sans the attachments).

 I'm also going to need outbound capability, but I don't think that's going
to be as problematic.

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Jim
 
I just set up a case management system for the University Counselling Office
in the SharePoint.
 
Email and attachments directly to  sharepoint email enabled lists. eg
CounsolListName at qub.ac.uk and you can send docs directly into the sharepoint
list. The user gets an automatic alert via Outlook that the doc is
available.
 
Almost no programming involved. Tight integration with our Active Directory.
May not be suitable for you but worked out well so far for us.
 
We use lists to split the cases up to individual staff,
 
All access is strictly internal only which saved a lot of work.

If they need to take the stuff of line we can always use A 2007 which works
well for us as well. 
 
Its mainly all in test mode at the moment but we will be moving almost
everything to MOSS 2007 over the next year or so.
 
Martin
 
 
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
Sent: Mon 09/04/2007 20:54
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files



Greetings All,

  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:

a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?

b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?

c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?

  Any insights would be helpful.

Thanks,
Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <0JG800K84YKLF3S2@l-daemon>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS> <0JG800K84YKLF3S2@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <008201c77b07$078cbd40$8abea8c0@XPS>

Jim,

<<If there is any way I could help just let me know.>>

  Thanks. 

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Hi Jim:

For the one office I was commissioned to write a application that could
manage all their projects. One of the components was the handling of account
files, spreadsheets, invoices and other miscellaneous text file and
graphics. These files were storied externally in a public/private set of
directories but their locations were all transparently managed for the MS
Access application.

MS Access can be setup to access Outlook emails but how it would also manage
attachments is something I have never researched.

If there is any way I could help just let me know.

Jim   

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr  9 20:21:49 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:21:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <007f01c77b07$067f44e0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS><002301c77ae9$534c33a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<007f01c77b07$067f44e0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <002901c77b0e$9d2d51a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Jim,

The attachments are contained with the single file.

Open an outlook email you've received that has an attachment.  Save it as a
separate file using .msg format.  Now close Outlook.  Now open that file,
and you'll see the attachment with it!  

It's pretty nice!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Dan,

  How do you view the attachments once they are in .msg format?  I assume
you'd need to go through Outlook, or do they show up as individual files?

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Hi Jim,

I do this frequently.

I copy the files that a user has selected and move the copies to a specific
directory on the server where the db is stored.  I also make the copies
read-only so that when someone opens it (with a hyperlink path created at
run-time in code), they can't store changes over the stored copy.  I use
File Systems Object for this.

I guess an inbound fax would need to be scanned electronically to be stored
as a file.  Unless there is software that can be used to view a fax and save
it as a separate file without printing it out.

I have figured out how to pull emails from Outlook and save them as separate
files in .msg format.  I was surprised to find that when I did this, any
attachments came right along with the email!  I'll have to go through my
code to find this, and I'll reply again tomorrow.  

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Apr  9 21:07:15 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:07:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01289580@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hmmm,

Sounds very close to www.nettiers.com
Definitely worth a look for those using VS 2005.

cheers

Michael M


Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!

Any questions?? LOL

Charlotte Foust



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  9 21:25:42 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:25:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS> <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>
	<008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <461AF5A6.8030807@shaw.ca>

Here is one mailing list you could ask questions
that might help. It a a legal software list, I look at occasionally

ABA American Bar Association Legal Technology Resource Center
http://mail.abanet.org/archives/lawtech.html

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Marty,
>
><<One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
> legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
>The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.>>
>
>  Definitely a thought.. This will be for a medicals claims system.
>
><<You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
>with based on some sort of taxonomy.>>
>
>  Got that well in hand already.  Main worry is all these external files.
>The end users are non-computer literate folks, so I need everything to be as
>automatic as possible.
>
>Jim.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:22 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files
>
>One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
> legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
>The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.
>
>You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
>with based on some sort of taxonomy.
>
>Look at TimeMatters, Legal Files, Billing Matters, and
>PracticeMaster, Amicus Attorney
>
>Both PracticeMaster and TimeMatters work with Outlook
> through MAPI and SMTP.
>
>http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/
>
>http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/charts/casemanagementcomparison.html
>
>http://www.timematters.com/products/timematters/
>
>Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Greetings All,
>>
>> Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
>>medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
>>them external, but beyond that:
>>
>>a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
>>do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
>>
>>b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
>>
>>c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
>>attachment or something more automatic?
>>
>> Any insights would be helpful.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jim
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From pcs at azizaz.com  Mon Apr  9 23:50:51 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:50:51 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD]  Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
Message-ID: <20070410145051.CRP23482@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Hi,

I need help with the following:

I am opening a form called frmDisplay in design mode from 
code that has opened an ado recordset

frmDisplay has 100 text controls named 
TextControl1,
TextControl2,
..
TextControl100

that's all... no code behind form

After opening the Form I set the name of the textcontrols to 
the name of the fields in the ado recordset;
next I set the recordsource of the now named textcontrols to 
the fields in the ado recordset;
then I set the recordset of frmDisplay to the ado recordset;
and I open the Form is Datasheet mode....

So far so good....I can see the ado recordset as a 'table', 
resizing columns etc. .... any unused textcontrols are still 
named TextControl(n) .... all is good!

My problem comes when I am closing frmDisplay using the 
datasheet's close control.

I want to suppress the Access System prompt:

"The Form has been changed etc. do you want to save the 
changes?" Yes(default)  - No - Cancel

The User should just be able to close the Form .....

I've tried to cancel the closing of the Form on the UnLoad 
event - in order to gain programmatic control of the close 
process, but the system prompt has already kicked in by 
then....  If I set warnings to False, I get rid of the 
system prompt, but since Yes is the default - the Form is 
closed with all design changes saved!! not good!!

Any suggestion??

Regards
borge


The User sh 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 10 04:12:27 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:12:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet	Form
Message-ID: <s61b712e.078@cactus.dk>

Hi Borge

Couldn't you just create a master form which you copy to the name you currently use, then modify it as described. When finished, close and save (as you have to do now), then delete the modified form.

Another option is to write-protect the database file, thus any design change cannot be saved. Of course, neither can any other change - like writing to local temp tables - be saved. As will any bloating be history.

/gustav

>>> pcs at azizaz.com 10-04-2007 06:50 >>>
Hi,

I need help with the following:

I am opening a form called frmDisplay in design mode from 
code that has opened an ado recordset

frmDisplay has 100 text controls named 
TextControl1,
TextControl2,
..
TextControl100

that's all... no code behind form

After opening the Form I set the name of the textcontrols to 
the name of the fields in the ado recordset;
next I set the recordsource of the now named textcontrols to 
the fields in the ado recordset;
then I set the recordset of frmDisplay to the ado recordset;
and I open the Form is Datasheet mode....

So far so good....I can see the ado recordset as a 'table', 
resizing columns etc. .... any unused textcontrols are still 
named TextControl(n) .... all is good!

My problem comes when I am closing frmDisplay using the 
datasheet's close control.

I want to suppress the Access System prompt:

"The Form has been changed etc. do you want to save the 
changes?" Yes(default)  - No - Cancel

The User should just be able to close the Form .....

I've tried to cancel the closing of the Form on the UnLoad 
event - in order to gain programmatic control of the close 
process, but the system prompt has already kicked in by 
then....  If I set warnings to False, I get rid of the 
system prompt, but since Yes is the default - the Form is 
closed with all design changes saved!! not good!!

Any suggestion??

Regards
borge




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 10 06:31:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:31:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS> <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>
	<008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <000901c77b63$bdcc9ab0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Jim,

They should be thinking of a document scanner / archive.  DIS, my insurance
client, scans all of their paperwork and has a completely paperless system.
The scanned paperwork is assigned a claim number to link it back to the
claim.  They take paperwork as it comes in the door and scans it (manually,
but it does have a document feeder).

It is not totally integrated, unfortunately the archive system cannot be
easily manipulated by my call center software but it still works a treat.
This system has a "remote access" kind of thing where users remote in from
their desk (the system is inside of their building) to access / view
documents.

Not cheap at somewhere south of 20K but given the cost of my time to build
the call center software, cost of storage for the paper etc. DIS still
thinks it is reasonable.  Plus, they can generate PDF files of all the docs
in a case and mail it (DVDs) to interested parties.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Marty,

<<One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular  legal
case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.>>

  Definitely a thought.. This will be for a medicals claims system.

<<You should have a basic series file numbering system to start with based
on some sort of taxonomy.>>

  Got that well in hand already.  Main worry is all these external files.
The end users are non-computer literate folks, so I need everything to be as
automatic as possible.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular  legal
case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.

You should have a basic series file numbering system to start with based on
some sort of taxonomy.

Look at TimeMatters, Legal Files, Billing Matters, and PracticeMaster,
Amicus Attorney

Both PracticeMaster and TimeMatters work with Outlook  through MAPI and
SMTP.

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/charts/casemanagementcomparison.html

http://www.timematters.com/products/timematters/

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Greetings All,
> 
>  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files 
>(i.e medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best 
>to leave them external, but beyond that:
> 
>a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
>do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
> 
>b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
> 
>c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save 
>the attachment or something more automatic?
> 
>  Any insights would be helpful.
> 
>Thanks,
>Jim
>  
>

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 10 10:31:28 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:31:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
In-Reply-To: <20070410145051.CRP23482@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F26DC6CA674966F42ADC4FAD2580@phx.gbl>

Borge,

Could you use:
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "form1", acSaveNo

to close the form?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: <pcs at azizaz.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>CC: pcs at azizaz.com
>Subject: [AccessD]  Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:50:51 +1000 (EST)
>
>Hi,
>
>I need help with the following:
>
>I am opening a form called frmDisplay in design mode from
>code that has opened an ado recordset
>
>frmDisplay has 100 text controls named
>TextControl1,
>TextControl2,
>..
>TextControl100
>
>that's all... no code behind form
>
>After opening the Form I set the name of the textcontrols to
>the name of the fields in the ado recordset;
>next I set the recordsource of the now named textcontrols to
>the fields in the ado recordset;
>then I set the recordset of frmDisplay to the ado recordset;
>and I open the Form is Datasheet mode....
>
>So far so good....I can see the ado recordset as a 'table',
>resizing columns etc. .... any unused textcontrols are still
>named TextControl(n) .... all is good!
>
>My problem comes when I am closing frmDisplay using the
>datasheet's close control.
>
>I want to suppress the Access System prompt:
>
>"The Form has been changed etc. do you want to save the
>changes?" Yes(default)  - No - Cancel
>
>The User should just be able to close the Form .....
>
>I've tried to cancel the closing of the Form on the UnLoad
>event - in order to gain programmatic control of the close
>process, but the system prompt has already kicked in by
>then....  If I set warnings to False, I get rid of the
>system prompt, but since Yes is the default - the Form is
>closed with all design changes saved!! not good!!
>
>Any suggestion??
>
>Regards
>borge
>
>
>The User sh
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 10 10:36:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:36:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F26DC6CA674966F42ADC4FAD2580@phx.gbl>
References: <20070410145051.CRP23482@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
	<BAY127-F26DC6CA674966F42ADC4FAD2580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601c77b86$11558580$657aa8c0@m6805>

Yes, but you will have to disable the close button in the upper left of the
form (the X), then build a close button that runs that code.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form

Borge,

Could you use:
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "form1", acSaveNo

to close the form?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: <pcs at azizaz.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>CC: pcs at azizaz.com
>Subject: [AccessD]  Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:50:51 +1000 (EST)
>
>Hi,
>
>I need help with the following:
>
>I am opening a form called frmDisplay in design mode from code that has 
>opened an ado recordset
>
>frmDisplay has 100 text controls named
>TextControl1,
>TextControl2,
>..
>TextControl100
>
>that's all... no code behind form
>
>After opening the Form I set the name of the textcontrols to the name 
>of the fields in the ado recordset; next I set the recordsource of the 
>now named textcontrols to the fields in the ado recordset; then I set 
>the recordset of frmDisplay to the ado recordset; and I open the Form 
>is Datasheet mode....
>
>So far so good....I can see the ado recordset as a 'table', resizing 
>columns etc. .... any unused textcontrols are still named 
>TextControl(n) .... all is good!
>
>My problem comes when I am closing frmDisplay using the datasheet's 
>close control.
>
>I want to suppress the Access System prompt:
>
>"The Form has been changed etc. do you want to save the changes?" 
>Yes(default)  - No - Cancel
>
>The User should just be able to close the Form .....
>
>I've tried to cancel the closing of the Form on the UnLoad event - in 
>order to gain programmatic control of the close process, but the system 
>prompt has already kicked in by then....  If I set warnings to False, I 
>get rid of the system prompt, but since Yes is the default - the Form 
>is closed with all design changes saved!! not good!!
>
>Any suggestion??
>
>Regards
>borge
>
>
>The User sh
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Apr 10 10:46:23 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:46:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
properly.

For example, one that I am fighting right now is a line like this...(this is
a extremely simple version of the function)

====================================================
On Error GoTo No_beuDBAGetProp
beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)

Exit_beuDBAGetProp:
    Set db = Nothing
    Exit Function
No_beuDBAGetProp:
    On Error GoTo Err_beuDBAGetProp
    If beuDBACreateProp(db, strProp) = True Then
      Resume 0
    Else
      Resume Exit_beuDBAGetProp
    End If
====================================================

So when the code tries to retreive the property and it doesn't exist it
should goto the No_.. line and start the routine to create the property.
However, it just pops up the standard Access error dialog and stops the code
from running.

I have the same problem in a relinking function where I check for a table in
the BE...
    On Error Resume Next
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(conLinkTable)

Whether the link is good or not it should continue to the next line.  Again,
in this case, it stops the code and will not continue.

What's going on?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017






From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 11:20:05 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> properly.

<snip>

> What's going on?

In the VBE

Tools|Options...
General Tab

You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on
All Errors, as I suspect you have.


-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 10 12:15:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:15:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c77b93$e6bc0840$657aa8c0@m6805>

This is probably a runtime SYNTAX error.  I would guess that you need to use
a set statement.

Set beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)

Or... The property being returned is not the correct type defined in the
property statement - returning a long when the property is expecting to
return a currency, something like that.

Or... Do a decompile / compile . Compact / repair.

Or... Jump up and down on one foot, muttering incantations to the right
subset of the Access gods, promising never to try anything too complex with
Access again...

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:46 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K

Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
properly.

For example, one that I am fighting right now is a line like this...(this is
a extremely simple version of the function)

====================================================
On Error GoTo No_beuDBAGetProp
beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)

Exit_beuDBAGetProp:
    Set db = Nothing
    Exit Function
No_beuDBAGetProp:
    On Error GoTo Err_beuDBAGetProp
    If beuDBACreateProp(db, strProp) = True Then
      Resume 0
    Else
      Resume Exit_beuDBAGetProp
    End If
====================================================

So when the code tries to retreive the property and it doesn't exist it
should goto the No_.. line and start the routine to create the property.
However, it just pops up the standard Access error dialog and stops the code
from running.

I have the same problem in a relinking function where I check for a table in
the BE...
    On Error Resume Next
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(conLinkTable)

Whether the link is good or not it should continue to the next line.  Again,
in this case, it stops the code and will not continue.

What's going on?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 10 12:17:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:17:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
	<e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c77b94$13964560$657aa8c0@m6805>

Good one!  But why suddenly?   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K

On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working 
> properly.

<snip>

> What's going on?

In the VBE

Tools|Options...
General Tab

You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on All
Errors, as I suspect you have.


--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 10 12:18:07 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:18:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>

I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked back.  
No reason given.  below is the text of the email:

"This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       accessd at databaseadvisors.com"

Just wanted to let someone know.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:05 -0400
>
>On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> > Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> > properly.
>
><snip>
>
> > What's going on?
>
>In the VBE
>
>Tools|Options...
>General Tab
>
>You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on
>All Errors, as I suspect you have.
>
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
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>shouting "What a great ride!"
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Apr 10 13:00:47 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:00:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <000e01c77b93$e6bc0840$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPOENOEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

> Or... Jump up and down on one foot, muttering incantations to the right
> subset of the Access gods, promising never to try anything too
> complex with
> Access again...

I think this is my best option...

This is all code that has run flawlessly for years.

I have decompile/compiled/compacted and imported everything to a new db and
tried all that stuff again.  Sometimes I have problems - sometimes I don't.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:16 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>
>
> This is probably a runtime SYNTAX error.  I would guess that you
> need to use
> a set statement.
>
> Set beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)
>
> Or... The property being returned is not the correct type defined in the
> property statement - returning a long when the property is expecting to
> return a currency, something like that.
>
> Or... Do a decompile / compile . Compact / repair.
>
> Or... Jump up and down on one foot, muttering incantations to the right
> subset of the Access gods, promising never to try anything too
> complex with
> Access again...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:46 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>
> Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> properly.
>
> For example, one that I am fighting right now is a line like
> this...(this is
> a extremely simple version of the function)
>
> ====================================================
> On Error GoTo No_beuDBAGetProp
> beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)
>
> Exit_beuDBAGetProp:
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Exit Function
> No_beuDBAGetProp:
>     On Error GoTo Err_beuDBAGetProp
>     If beuDBACreateProp(db, strProp) = True Then
>       Resume 0
>     Else
>       Resume Exit_beuDBAGetProp
>     End If
> ====================================================
>
> So when the code tries to retreive the property and it doesn't exist it
> should goto the No_.. line and start the routine to create the property.
> However, it just pops up the standard Access error dialog and
> stops the code
> from running.
>
> I have the same problem in a relinking function where I check for
> a table in
> the BE...
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(conLinkTable)
>
> Whether the link is good or not it should continue to the next
> line.  Again,
> in this case, it stops the code and will not continue.
>
> What's going on?
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Apr 10 13:00:46 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:00:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPMENOEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Good idea, but unfortunately not it.  Also, this is extremely intermittent -
after writing the email neither error occurred in the same db that caused me
to write the email.

The one thing that may be in common on the apps that this occurs in is that
they are being worked on on a different (newer) computer and then I am
bringing them back to mine to finalize the updates and create the exe for
distribution.

In the normal course of me working on them I am finding these error
problems.

I'll have to investigate exactly what files I have problems with and when
and where they were worked on.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>
>
> On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> > Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> > properly.
>
> <snip>
>
> > What's going on?
>
> In the VBE
>
> Tools|Options...
> General Tab
>
> You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on
> All Errors, as I suspect you have.
>
>
> --
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> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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>






From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 13:10:41 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:10:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77b94$13964560$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
	<e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01c77b94$13964560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101110m68436888kb30092be5b0b1255@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Good one!  But why suddenly?

Someone got somewhere they shouldn't?

-- 
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 13:12:33 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:12:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPMENOEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPMENOEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101112ne032346ife50466268afe4a6@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> Good idea, but unfortunately not it.  Also, this is extremely intermittent -
> after writing the email neither error occurred in the same db that caused me
> to write the email.
>
> The one thing that may be in common on the apps that this occurs in is that
> they are being worked on on a different (newer) computer and then I am
> bringing them back to mine to finalize the updates and create the exe for
> distribution.
>
> In the normal course of me working on them I am finding these error
> problems.
>
> I'll have to investigate exactly what files I have problems with and when
> and where they were worked on.

First place to check is Jet SP levels.

I ran into all sorts of weird problems with A2K and Jet SP levels a
while back (ok, a few years ago).

All it took was ignoring IT and upgrading the workstations to Jet SP6
(IIRC), which is what my development machine was at.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 10 13:13:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:13:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01289580@ddi-01.DDI.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01289580@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

If you're writing C#, of course!  LOL  

We do use CodeSmith, primarily to autogen Nunit tests and some of our
basic stuff in data entities, unless we need to custom build them.  I
hand build Nunit tests for business rules ... And hand build the
business rules as well.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hmmm,

Sounds very close to www.nettiers.com
Definitely worth a look for those using VS 2005.

cheers

Michael M


Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!

Any questions?? LOL

Charlotte Foust

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 13:15:40 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:15:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101115w339eadcfh1dd69b77f0575f7f@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked back.
> No reason given.  below is the text of the email:
>
> "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>
> Delivery to the following recipients failed.
>
>        accessd at databaseadvisors.com"
>
> Just wanted to let someone know.

In addition to the request I sent off list, which e-mail address did
you try to send from?

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Apr 10 13:29:45 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:29:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704101112ne032346ife50466268afe4a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPAEOAEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I have Jet version 4.0.8618.0 which is in the Windows XP SP2 and Security
Bulletin MS04-014 release.  This is a later version than is included with
Jet SP 8.0

I hate computers.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>
>
> On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> > Good idea, but unfortunately not it.  Also, this is extremely
> intermittent -
> > after writing the email neither error occurred in the same db
> that caused me
> > to write the email.
> >
> > The one thing that may be in common on the apps that this
> occurs in is that
> > they are being worked on on a different (newer) computer and then I am
> > bringing them back to mine to finalize the updates and create
> the exe for
> > distribution.
> >
> > In the normal course of me working on them I am finding these error
> > problems.
> >
> > I'll have to investigate exactly what files I have problems
> with and when
> > and where they were worked on.
>
> First place to check is Jet SP levels.
>
> I ran into all sorts of weird problems with A2K and Jet SP levels a
> while back (ok, a few years ago).
>
> All it took was ignoring IT and upgrading the workstations to Jet SP6
> (IIRC), which is what my development machine was at.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>






From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 14:56:27 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:56:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101256s3100e5eds28a23209addcb75f@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked back.
> No reason given.  below is the text of the email:
>
> "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>
> Delivery to the following recipients failed.
>
>        accessd at databaseadvisors.com"
>
> Just wanted to let someone know.

Mark,

After looking at the attachments you sent,  it appears that some
Hotmail servers are on sorbs.net DNSBL.

In english that means that some Hotmail servers are on one of the Spam
Blacklists that was implemented this past weekend to help and aleviate
the spam problem on DBAs server.

The reason I say it's some, is because at least one of your posts made
it to the list.

At this point, all I can suggest is that when you get the rejection,
resend. It will probably go out on a different server.

I, apparently, have to do some more looking at the server config.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 10 15:13:17 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:13:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704101256s3100e5eds28a23209addcb75f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F81FB222C3F15209789C8BD2580@phx.gbl>

Thanks Bryan...4th try????


>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:56:27 -0400
>
>On 4/10/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked 
>back.
> > No reason given.  below is the text of the email:
> >
> > "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
> >
> > Delivery to the following recipients failed.
> >
> >        accessd at databaseadvisors.com"
> >
> > Just wanted to let someone know.
>
>Mark,
>
>After looking at the attachments you sent,  it appears that some
>Hotmail servers are on sorbs.net DNSBL.
>
>In english that means that some Hotmail servers are on one of the Spam
>Blacklists that was implemented this past weekend to help and aleviate
>the spam problem on DBAs server.
>
>The reason I say it's some, is because at least one of your posts made
>it to the list.
>
>At this point, all I can suggest is that when you get the rejection,
>resend. It will probably go out on a different server.
>
>I, apparently, have to do some more looking at the server config.
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
>preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>shouting "What a great ride!"
>--
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Apr 10 15:55:43 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:55:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c77bb2$9b606750$8abea8c0@XPS>

Mark,

  I've had a couple of those to.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned

I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked back.  
No reason given.  below is the text of the email:

"This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       accessd at databaseadvisors.com"

Just wanted to let someone know.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:05 -0400
>
>On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> > Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> > properly.
>
><snip>
>
> > What's going on?
>
>In the VBE
>
>Tools|Options...
>General Tab
>
>You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on
>All Errors, as I suspect you have.
>
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
>preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>shouting "What a great ride!"
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 19:11:25 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:11:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <000e01c77bb2$9b606750$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
	<000e01c77bb2$9b606750$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101711u4c3a7da3te4219b2bccf776e1@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>   I've had a couple of those to.

I've disabled the blacklist that was blocking the Hotmail servers. I
also went through the log file and it was also blocking verizon. So
hopefully we are good to go.

If not please let me know at listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND
bryan at carbonnell.ca

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shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:18:03 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:18:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering Word
	text
Message-ID: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an Access
memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects the
entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything. 

Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table. 

Susan H. 






From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr 11 10:22:21 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:22:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
	Wordtext
In-Reply-To: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A9D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Tell all, Susan.  What versions of Word and Access is this person using?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
Wordtext

A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an
Access memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field
rejects the entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into
this problem.
I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything. 

Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table. 

Susan H. 




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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 10:28:55 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:28:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
	Word text
In-Reply-To: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if the problem memo field being pasted into is part of a
query result set? Perhaps the query would only allow the limit of a
text field in a memo field while the table itself would allow the
larger size?  Just a guess. You could create a query over your test
table and try that maybe.

GK

On 4/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at setel.com> wrote:
> A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an Access
> memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects the
> entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
> I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything.
>
> Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
>
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Apr 11 10:36:10 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:36:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi:

I'm in the process of developing a simple application that has to print out
EAN 128 format barcodes.

Does anyone have any recommendations of plugins, activex components or fonts
that are reliable? 

Thanks in advance. 

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645




From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:37:53 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:37:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWord text
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00eb01c77c4f$5f20bc70$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

Tried it, worked fine. Thank you for trying -- would you like to play again?
;) 

Susan H.  


I wonder if the problem memo field being pasted into is part of a query
result set? Perhaps the query would only allow the limit of a text field in
a memo field while the table itself would allow the larger size?  Just a
guess. You could create a query over your test table and try that maybe.

GK

On 4/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at setel.com> wrote:
> A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an 
> Access memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo 
> field rejects the entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run
into this problem.
> I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything.
>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 11 10:38:51 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:38:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWord text
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101c77c4f$819896b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

I'd have them email the back end to you and try it yourself.  Or use Remote
Assistance to look at the field.  It certainly sounds like they're trying to
paste into a Text field not a memo.  

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
enteringWord text

I wonder if the problem memo field being pasted into is part of a query
result set? Perhaps the query would only allow the limit of a text field in
a memo field while the table itself would allow the larger size?  Just a
guess. You could create a query over your test table and try that maybe.

GK

On 4/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at setel.com> wrote:
> A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an 
> Access memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo 
> field rejects the entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run
into this problem.
> I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything.
>
> Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:39:54 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:39:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWordtext
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A9D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A9D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00f101c77c4f$a7b24fd0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

I didn't ask, but I'll find out.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
enteringWordtext

Tell all, Susan.  What versions of Word and Access is this person using?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
Wordtext

A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an Access
memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects the
entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything. 

Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table. 

Susan H. 




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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Apr 11 10:42:18 2007
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:42:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
	Word text
Message-ID: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D185@jgexch1.jenkens.com>

Can she verify that it is any chunk of word text greater than 255 characters
and any memo field?  There could be something specific about either one that
is causing the problem.  If she verifies that it happens every time (I would
even test a new database with a new table.) then it becomes an Access engine
issue.  Otherwise it is likely corruption hiding somewhere.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at setel.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering Word
text


A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an Access
memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects the
entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything. 

Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table. 

Susan H. 




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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:50:58 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:50:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains whenenteringWord
	text
In-Reply-To: <003101c77c4f$819896b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
	<003101c77c4f$819896b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00f401c77c51$377777c0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

Rocky, I agree, but she insists that the field is a Memo field. That's why I
thought I'd ask if anyone knew of a specific problem between Word and
Access. 

Susan H. 

I'd have them email the back end to you and try it yourself.  Or use Remote
Assistance to look at the field.  It certainly sounds like they're trying to
paste into a Text field not a memo.  




From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:52:10 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:52:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWord text
In-Reply-To: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D185@jgexch1.jenkens.com>
References: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D185@jgexch1.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c77c51$5e192590$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

 

Can she verify that it is any chunk of word text greater than 255 characters
and any memo field?  There could be something specific about either one that
is causing the problem.  If she verifies that it happens every time (I would
even test a new database with a new table.) then it becomes an Access engine
issue.  Otherwise it is likely corruption hiding somewhere.

============Yes, on the 255 character issue. However, she hadn't tried
manually entering the text (typing new text herself), so she was going to
try that to see what happened. 

Susan H. 



From bill_patten at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 11 11:12:50 2007
From: bill_patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:12:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing
In-Reply-To: <01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne><aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
	<01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <A1E5729F2E2343DDB4D7641984C358BE@BPCS>

Larry,

I have been testing LabelGo 2 from Bokai.  (http://ww.bokai.com  The have a 
demo you can use to see if it will do what you want. I have tested it in a 
report as an invoice number and also on an inventory report so that the 
users can scan each item on the report and it seems to work fine. The 
licensing is a little confusing but I checked with them and the developer 
license will allow you to distribute it as long as the user can't develop 
their own forms etc. About $300

I'm waiting for an answer from my client before implementation but feel 
pretty good about it.


Bill
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From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing


> Hi:
>
> I'm in the process of developing a simple application that has to print 
> out
> EAN 128 format barcodes.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations of plugins, activex components or 
> fonts
> that are reliable?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr 11 11:48:04 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:48:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] acCmdExport Question
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C222E082@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
Message-ID: <OFE463D196.8066E5DA-ON852572BA.005BF3EE-852572BA.005C4977@is002023.gdls.com>

I have a form with 29 combo boxes (the user's choices limit the data 
displayed by new ADO recordsets' being created) and 43 fields. Using the 
simple command "DoCmd.RunCommand  acCmdExport", to export the displayed 
recordset to Excel, I get 72 columns! How can I control this to NOT give 
the combo box data? VBA Help doesn't tell me anything about acCmdExport, 
unfortunately; maybe there's a way to state just what is to be exported? 

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 11 12:27:34 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:27:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
Message-ID: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>

All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 11 12:42:19 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:42:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] acCmdExport Question
In-Reply-To: <OFE463D196.8066E5DA-ON852572BA.005BF3EE-852572BA.005C4977@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C222E082@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
	<OFE463D196.8066E5DA-ON852572BA.005BF3EE-852572BA.005C4977@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c77c60$c0c0e480$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Tom,

You need to create a query (or in code, a SELECT FROM WHERE string) that has
the columns and data you want moved to the spreadsheet, and use that query's
name or the string in the Export command.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acCmdExport Question

I have a form with 29 combo boxes (the user's choices limit the data 
displayed by new ADO recordsets' being created) and 43 fields. Using the 
simple command "DoCmd.RunCommand  acCmdExport", to export the displayed 
recordset to Excel, I get 72 columns! How can I control this to NOT give 
the combo box data? VBA Help doesn't tell me anything about acCmdExport, 
unfortunately; maybe there's a way to state just what is to be exported? 

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 11 12:44:42 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:44:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <000d01c77c61$1679a010$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Jim,

Somewhere I read that the memo field in Access 2007 has formatting
capabilities - perhaps like the FMS Memo control.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 12:46:43 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:46:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

Are they willing to upgrade to 2007? I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007 -- might be
worth looking into. 

Susan H. 

All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 11 12:50:12 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:50:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F242C10167972A0D30C3F8DD25F0@phx.gbl>

If you can use different approaches for each of your line numbers...

>5. Ability to spell check
How about:  RunCommand acCmdSpelling

Haven't used it since 97...not sure if it is still an option.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:27:34 -0400
>
>All,
>
>   Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
>Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
>because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
>
>  I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need 
>a
>RTF control that can do the following:
>
>1. Different fonts and sizes.
>2. Different font colors.
>3. Ability to bold and italicize.
>4. Ability to high light in color.
>5. Ability to spell check
>6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
>characters and a string is inserted in place of).
>
>   The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I 
>really
>don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
>FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
>
>   Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
>
>TIA,
>Jim.
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 11 12:53:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:53:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
Message-ID: <s61d3cbc.028@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

#6 is more like a word processor feature, not a feature of a Rich Text control.
However, #5 can be performed by at least A2007, was is not for a nasty bug:

  http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/29653342/spell-check-problems-in-a.aspx 

That may be solved. 
Further, note that the Rich Text control in A2007 is HTML-based while the standard MS Rich Text ocx is RTF-based.

I once noticed this word processor style ocx which - at a price - could be used for your purpose:

  http://www.spellchecksoftware.com/aboutspe.htm 

but I have not worked with it myself; I've always used the simple MS Rich Text ocx.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 11-04-2007 19:27 >>>
All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr 11 19:32:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:32:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <002701c77c99$fcbe7810$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>

Jim

...I've used Lebans rtf.ocx (www.lebans.com) in several apps now and am 
really pleased with it's reliability, simplicity, and avoidance of 
versioning issues ...although Items 5 & 6 are not native, there are ready 
solutions to do them in Access without another ocx ...dl the install and 
samples from his site and take a look, its all free and lebans writes solid 
code that won't screw with you ...plus he readily answers support/design 
questions about it on the ms.access.public news group.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?


> All,
>
>  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
> Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native 
> controls
> because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
>
> I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
> RTF control that can do the following:
>
> 1. Different fonts and sizes.
> 2. Different font colors.
> 3. Ability to bold and italicize.
> 4. Ability to high light in color.
> 5. Ability to spell check
> 6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
> characters and a string is inserted in place of).
>
>  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
> don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked 
> out
> FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
>
>  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
>
> TIA,
> Jim.
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr 11 19:38:37 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:38:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne><aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
	<01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <002b01c77c9a$e9492040$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>

Larry

...after some trial and error I settled on IDAutomation's barcode fonts in 
some ticketing and security apps http://www.idautomation.com/ ...their 
products come with solid Access sample apps/code and they're responsive to 
questions from newbies to barcoding ...I've used several different scanners 
on these fonts and have had zero problems with reading them.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing


> Hi:
>
> I'm in the process of developing a simple application that has to print 
> out
> EAN 128 format barcodes.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations of plugins, activex components or 
> fonts
> that are reliable?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr 11 20:02:22 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:02:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
	Wordtext
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000301c77c9e$3ad91250$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>

...it could be that your reader is using a query with the Unique Values 
property set to yes and a memo field included ...if so there is, iirc, an MS 
KB on the bug somewhere ...the Unique Values results in a comparison of the 
memo fields using text boxes ...you get no error, just the first 255 
characters ...basically you have to run one query without the memo field and 
then use it as a source for another query with the memo field from the table 
itself included.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at setel.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering 
Wordtext


>A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an 
>Access
> memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects 
> the
> entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
> I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything.
>
> Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 20:31:25 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:31:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWordtext
In-Reply-To: <000301c77c9e$3ad91250$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<000301c77c9e$3ad91250$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
Message-ID: <002f01c77ca2$4d20f460$7334fad1@SusanOne>

Turned out that she had forgotten about a log table -- and that table's
field wasn't a Memo. :( I did suggest that to her first thing, but of
course, because she'd forgotten about that table, she didn't remember to
check it until  much later in the day. I do crap lik that myself. 

Susan h. 

...it could be that your reader is using a query with the Unique Values
property set to yes and a memo field included ...if so there is, iirc, an MS
KB on the bug somewhere ...the Unique Values results in a comparison of the
memo fields using text boxes ...you get no error, just the first 255
characters ...basically you have to run one query without the memo field and
then use it as a source for another query with the memo field from the table
itself included.




From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Apr 12 08:42:07 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:42:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing
In-Reply-To: <002b01c77c9a$e9492040$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne><aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com><01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<002b01c77c9a$e9492040$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
Message-ID: <012201c77d08$5e497030$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Thanks William & Bill P.:

I've also been looking at the Idautomation tools, as they seem reasonable
and their demos work. Good to know that someone else is using their stuff.

Thanks for your input.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing

Larry

...after some trial and error I settled on IDAutomation's barcode fonts in
some ticketing and security apps http://www.idautomation.com/ ...their
products come with solid Access sample apps/code and they're responsive to
questions from newbies to barcoding ...I've used several different scanners
on these fonts and have had zero problems with reading them.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing


> Hi:
>
> I'm in the process of developing a simple application that has to print 
> out
> EAN 128 format barcodes.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations of plugins, activex components or 
> fonts
> that are reliable?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 12 11:33:14 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:33:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258ADA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust


From bill_patten at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 12 11:46:27 2007
From: bill_patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:46:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258ADA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258ADA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <205EA4453EDB4F4DBFBEC3D64DFA1AF1@BPCS>

Hi  Charlotte,

Just us lurkers today I guess.

Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?


> Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 12 11:49:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:49:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?
Message-ID: <s61e7f49.049@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Got Office 2007 installed - and now fighting with A2007 and that nasty over-it-all pane ... controls and menus are everywhere - took me a while to locate Access Options juxtaposed to a Close button just for fun. What did they drink? And at the down right corner - in the status bar - now is a full set of buttons for change between views of queries! Oh my ...

Still struggling to find out how to get rid of the "Add new field" column in tables' data(!) view.

This will take a while, I can feel.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 12-04-2007 18:33 >>>
Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust
-- 




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr 12 11:43:26 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:43:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <013301c77d21$b20b0d50$1493a8c0@LaptopII>

Susan,

<<Are they willing to upgrade to 2007?>>

  There is nothing in place as of yet, so that would not be a problem.

<<I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007>>

  Was aware of that, but haven't found any docs on it as yet.  I'll have to
install 2007 and see what it's like.

  I'll let you know what its like

Thanks,
Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

Are they willing to upgrade to 2007? I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007 -- might be
worth looking into. 

Susan H. 

All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr 12 11:53:13 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:53:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <s61d3cbc.028@cactus.dk>
References: <s61d3cbc.028@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <013401c77d23$10066390$1493a8c0@LaptopII>

Gustav,

<<#6 is more like a word processor feature, not a feature of a Rich Text
control.>>

  yeah, that's is going to be the rub I think.  The nursing staff is pretty
adamant about having it.  A lot of the reports they generate will include
some canned text, so the ability to insert text at a specific point is
pretty important to them.

  Right now, they are using Word to do all the reports.  It may be that I'll
need to bite the bullet and use in-place activation with Word to get what I
need.

<<#5 can be performed by at least A2007, was is not for a nasty>>

 Very nice to know; Thanks!  I need to get a2007 loaded up and check this
out.

<<I once noticed this word processor style ocx which - at a price - could be
used for your purpose:>>

  That's very encouraging; if there is one out there then there is probably
more.  The price doesn't bother me; I just want it to *work*, which is why I
was looking for some "hands on" recommendations.

  This control will be a fundamental part of the app.  

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

Hi Jim

#6 is more like a word processor feature, not a feature of a Rich Text
control.
However, #5 can be performed by at least A2007, was is not for a nasty bug:

 
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/29653342/spell-check-problems-in-
a.aspx 

That may be solved. 
Further, note that the Rich Text control in A2007 is HTML-based while the
standard MS Rich Text ocx is RTF-based.

I once noticed this word processor style ocx which - at a price - could be
used for your purpose:

  http://www.spellchecksoftware.com/aboutspe.htm 

but I have not worked with it myself; I've always used the simple MS Rich
Text ocx.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 11-04-2007 19:27 >>>
All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 12 11:57:42 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:57:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?
In-Reply-To: <s61e7f49.049@cactus.dk>
References: <s61e7f49.049@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258ADE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Martin's book is a good intro.  

One of the (many) things I hate about this version of Office is that the
options that used to be at the bottom of the tools menus are now tucked
away behind an options button at the bottom of the pane that drops down
from the IMO non-intuitive round office button in the upper left.   

The download that Marty posted nearly a month ago helps too.  
http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=AM101757761033

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Activity?

Hi Charlotte

Got Office 2007 installed - and now fighting with A2007 and that nasty
over-it-all pane ... controls and menus are everywhere - took me a while
to locate Access Options juxtaposed to a Close button just for fun. What
did they drink? And at the down right corner - in the status bar - now
is a full set of buttons for change between views of queries! Oh my ...

Still struggling to find out how to get rid of the "Add new field"
column in tables' data(!) view.

This will take a while, I can feel.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 12-04-2007 18:33 >>>
Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr 12 11:54:03 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:54:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <002701c77c99$fcbe7810$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<002701c77c99$fcbe7810$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
Message-ID: <014201c77d23$2db989d0$1493a8c0@LaptopII>

William,

  Thanks, I'll check it out.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

Jim

...I've used Lebans rtf.ocx (www.lebans.com) in several apps now and am 
really pleased with it's reliability, simplicity, and avoidance of 
versioning issues ...although Items 5 & 6 are not native, there are ready 
solutions to do them in Access without another ocx ...dl the install and 
samples from his site and take a look, its all free and lebans writes solid 
code that won't screw with you ...plus he readily answers support/design 
questions about it on the ms.access.public news group.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?


> All,
>
>  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
> Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native 
> controls
> because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
>
> I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
> RTF control that can do the following:
>
> 1. Different fonts and sizes.
> 2. Different font colors.
> 3. Ability to bold and italicize.
> 4. Ability to high light in color.
> 5. Ability to spell check
> 6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
> characters and a string is inserted in place of).
>
>  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
> don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked 
> out
> FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
>
>  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
>
> TIA,
> Jim.
> -- 
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Thu Apr 12 12:31:17 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:31:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] HEY Martin! (RE:  RTF control for Access?)
In-Reply-To: <013301c77d21$b20b0d50$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS><011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<013301c77d21$b20b0d50$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
Message-ID: <002a01c77d28$61bf9da0$f334fad1@SusanOne>

Martin's probably the one to ask -- I know he's worked extensively with
Access 2007. 

Susan H. 

Susan,

<<Are they willing to upgrade to 2007?>>

  There is nothing in place as of yet, so that would not be a problem.

<<I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007>>

  Was aware of that, but haven't found any docs on it as yet.  I'll have to
install 2007 and see what it's like.

  I'll let you know what its like




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Apr 12 13:00:58 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:00:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HEY Martin! (RE:  RTF control for Access?)
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS><011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne><013301c77d21$b20b0d50$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
	<002a01c77d28$61bf9da0$f334fad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE20108696B@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

2007 has a rich text . Works well but only with the new Access 2007 file type and is a field property when creating the table for memo Datatypes. I believe it stores the text as HTML. Its main limit is its an Access 2007 tool.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thu 12/04/2007 18:31
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HEY Martin! (RE: RTF control for Access?)



Martin's probably the one to ask -- I know he's worked extensively with
Access 2007.

Susan H.

Susan,

<<Are they willing to upgrade to 2007?>>

  There is nothing in place as of yet, so that would not be a problem.

<<I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007>>

  Was aware of that, but haven't found any docs on it as yet.  I'll have to
install 2007 and see what it's like.

  I'll let you know what its like


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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr 12 15:58:51 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:58:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Hello, All

I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas" with such an implementation.  

Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for study would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Don McGillivray





From bheid at sc.rr.com  Thu Apr 12 16:10:49 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:10:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <013401c77d23$10066390$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
References: <s61d3cbc.028@cactus.dk> <013401c77d23$10066390$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
Message-ID: <000601c77d47$0be75b10$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

We once did an app in VB where we could insert "place holder fields" into
the text by dragging and dropping a node or double-clicking a node from a
tree view control.  This was used later to generate a kind of mail merge
document where we replaced the field(s) with as value.  You might could do
something like this, but insert text.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

Gustav,

<<#6 is more like a word processor feature, not a feature of a Rich Text
control.>>

  yeah, that's is going to be the rub I think.  The nursing staff is pretty
adamant about having it.  A lot of the reports they generate will include
some canned text, so the ability to insert text at a specific point is
pretty important to them.

  Right now, they are using Word to do all the reports.  It may be that I'll
need to bite the bullet and use in-place activation with Word to get what I
need.
<snip>




From joeget at vgernet.net  Thu Apr 12 18:46:37 2007
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:46:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN>

all of my upgrades have worked with minimal issues

John Eget
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" <Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility


> Hello, All
>
> I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed 
> using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few 
> reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being 
> deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked 
> by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an 
> Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to 
> 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new 
> Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas" 
> with such an implementation.
>
> Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for 
> study would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Don McGillivray
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 12 20:48:22 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:48:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>,
	<005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN>
Message-ID: <461F6E06.29796.3260E44F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" <Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility

> I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed 
> using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few 
> reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being 
> deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked 
> by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an 
> Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to 
> 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new 
> Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas" 
> with such an implementation.
>
> Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for 
> study would be greatly appreciated.
>

Check out http://www.allenbrowne.com/Access2007.html
for a list of the good, the bad and the ugly.






From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 12 22:14:11 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:14:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
 
I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
 
"SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
 
Any help?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Apr 12 22:23:10 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:23:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
References: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c77d7b$11e1d250$0302a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Lonnie,

Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: AccessD solving&#39; 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
   
  I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
   
  "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
   
  Any help?
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 12 22:29:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:29:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
In-Reply-To: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c77d7b$ff103490$657aa8c0@m6805>

Lonnie,

There are a couple of options - automation and referencing.  

Automation means the same thing that it does in Excel or Word, creating an
instance of the remote database and manipulating it to cause it to open the
report.  That is rather ugly because it is difficult to keep the manipulated
database from displaying itself in the process of manipulating it, i.e. it
wants to "open".  If the remote database has an autoexec or an autoform then
that will try to execute / open.  I am no expert in automation of Access
databases so there may in fact be methods to get around these issues. 

Referencing means creating a reference to the database so that you can run
code inside of the database.  Having done that, you can then create public
functions that take a report name as a parameter and then opens that report.
Since the data for the report is inside of the database (or linked to it
anyway) this works nicely.  Unfortunately references can get messy depending
on the circumstance.

As you can see, there are ways to do this and which you choose will depend
on your circumstances.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db

Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
 
I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
 
"SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
 
Any help?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr 13 01:46:32 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:46:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>,
	<005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN>
	<461F6E06.29796.3260E44F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE20108696D@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Stuart
 
If you want to zip it up and forward to me I can check it for you. But if its  a basic report I don't think there will be any issues.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Fri 13/04/2007 02:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility



----- Original Message -----
From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" <Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility

> I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed
> using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few
> reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being
> deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked
> by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an
> Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to
> 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new
> Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas"
> with such an implementation.
>
> Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for
> study would be greatly appreciated.
>

Check out http://www.allenbrowne.com/Access2007.html
for a list of the good, the bad and the ugly.




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 03:55:32 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:55:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 woe (was: Activity?)
Message-ID: <s61f61bb.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that's what I mean - options, menus, strange buttons, panes, etc. are all over.
Marty's link seems to be very useful solving this.

The link from Stuart (thanks) gave me this:

Modify schema (Datasheet)
On by default, so users can add, delete, and rename fields in Datasheet view.
Can disable: Office Button | Access Options | Current Database | Enable Design Changes in Datasheet View. 
 
/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 12-04-2007 18:57 >>>
Martin's book is a good intro.  

One of the (many) things I hate about this version of Office is that the
options that used to be at the bottom of the tools menus are now tucked
away behind an options button at the bottom of the pane that drops down
from the IMO non-intuitive round office button in the upper left.   

The download that Marty posted nearly a month ago helps too.  
http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=AM101757761033 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Activity?

Hi Charlotte

Got Office 2007 installed - and now fighting with A2007 and that nasty
over-it-all pane ... controls and menus are everywhere - took me a while
to locate Access Options juxtaposed to a Close button just for fun. What
did they drink? And at the down right corner - in the status bar - now
is a full set of buttons for change between views of queries! Oh my ...

Still struggling to find out how to get rid of the "Add new field"
column in tables' data(!) view.

This will take a while, I can feel.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 12-04-2007 18:33 >>>
Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 08:36:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:36:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Message-ID: <s61fa372.065@cactus.dk>

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Apr 13 10:17:06 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:17:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Message-ID: <20070413141710.8D8182B6B85@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Ah well, as we're so quiet try this. Go to Google maps, select Get
Directions, enter London to New York. Enjoy the trip but watch out for no
37.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Date: 13/04/07 13:41


** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 09:33:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:33:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Message-ID: <s61fb0d3.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Just bring your swim suit and you'll be kept busy for the weekend!

/gustav

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 13-04-2007 17:17 >>>
Ah well, as we're so quiet try this. Go to Google maps, select Get
Directions, enter London to New York. Enjoy the trip but watch out for no
37.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Date: 13/04/07 13:41


** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 13 09:46:12 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:46:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
In-Reply-To: <20070413141710.8D8182B6B85@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0JGF00JUXY6AHU11@l-daemon>

OT Friday:

Tired of those plain MS SQL DBs... try this:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx

...and... 

http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim  



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Apr 13 11:06:04 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:06:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
Message-ID: <20070413150609.39B2A4C269@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Swimming the Atlantic suddenly looks like child's play.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
Date: 13/04/07 14:52


OT Friday:

Tired of those plain MS SQL DBs... try this:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx

....and...

http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 10:21:33 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:21:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
Message-ID: <s61fbc36.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Yes. It could be the next challenge for the guy who recently swam the Amazonas downstream - in 66 days!

/gustav

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 13-04-2007 18:06 >>>
Swimming the Atlantic suddenly looks like child's play.

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
Date: 13/04/07 14:52


OT Friday:

Tired of those plain MS SQL DBs... try this:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx 

....and...

http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm 

Jim




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr 13 11:57:47 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:57:47 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <s61fa372.065@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* alien
software?

My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from Russian
anecdote:

Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
strip-club. 
2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that 
4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, and
a woman - up to a chin. 
5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
hours to finish investigation. 
6. Everyone can land a plane.
7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
part of a building. 
8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion. 
10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
enough for them to speak English with German accent.
11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator. 
12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check what
is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, magnificent
hair and magnificent teeth. 
15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway will
be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
menacing body movements. 
16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel has
to be twisted furiously here and there. 
17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child is
locked. 
18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
shower or dives with an aqualung.

--
Shamil
 
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Importance: Low

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

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From drboz at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 13 12:08:47 2007
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:08:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
References: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001a01c77dee$687a4340$6601a8c0@don>

Add to your list the fact that the hero/heroine don't seem to mind walking 
around in darkened rooms when there's something bad in there.

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)


> Hi Gustav,
>
> It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* 
> alien
> software?
>
> My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from 
> Russian
> anecdote:
>
> Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
> 1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
> strip-club.
> 2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
> 3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
> passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that
> 4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, 
> and
> a woman - up to a chin.
> 5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
> hours to finish investigation.
> 6. Everyone can land a plane.
> 7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
> will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
> part of a building.
> 8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window.
> 9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
> large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion.
> 10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
> enough for them to speak English with German accent.
> 11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
> at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator.
> 12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
> and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check 
> what
> is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen.
> 13. Collided cars always blow up and burn.
> 14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, 
> magnificent
> hair and magnificent teeth.
> 15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway 
> will
> be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
> menacing body movements.
> 16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel 
> has
> to be twisted furiously here and there.
> 17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
> Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child 
> is
> locked.
> 18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
> shower or dives with an aqualung.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
> Importance: Low
>
> ** Low Priority **
>
> Hi all, quiet day again.
>
> A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Fri Apr 13 12:09:51 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE20108696D@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>,
	<005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN><461F6E06.29796.3260E44F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE20108696D@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D238A36@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Thanks to all for the offers, input, and expertise.  This should be enough to allow me to ease their fears.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility

Stuart
 
If you want to zip it up and forward to me I can check it for you. But if its  a basic report I don't think there will be any issues.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Fri 13/04/2007 02:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility



----- Original Message -----
From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" <Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility

> I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed
> using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few
> reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being
> deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked
> by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an
> Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to
> 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new
> Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas"
> with such an implementation.
>
> Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for
> study would be greatly appreciated.
>

Check out http://www.allenbrowne.com/Access2007.html
for a list of the good, the bad and the ugly.




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 12:19:09 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:19:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Message-ID: <s61fd7c2.071@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

That's right, I forgot that ... remember the old virus "Friday 13th"?. Scary indeed.

Also, add to the list:
Cowboys newer sh.t.

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 13-04-2007 18:57 >>>
Hi Gustav,

It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* alien
software?

My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from Russian
anecdote:

Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
strip-club. 
2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that 
4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, and
a woman - up to a chin. 
5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
hours to finish investigation. 
6. Everyone can land a plane.
7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
part of a building. 
8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion. 
10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
enough for them to speak English with German accent.
11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator. 
12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check what
is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, magnificent
hair and magnificent teeth. 
15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway will
be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
menacing body movements. 
16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel has
to be twisted furiously here and there. 
17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child is
locked. 
18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
shower or dives with an aqualung.

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Importance: Low

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Apr 13 12:20:47 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:20:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
References: <s61fa372.065@cactus.dk> <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <002e01c77df0$14b6dd20$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Well - I just learned a lot about Hollywood movies!!

Thanks Shamil!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Hi Gustav,

It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* alien
software?

My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from Russian
anecdote:

Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
strip-club. 
2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that 
4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, and
a woman - up to a chin. 
5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
hours to finish investigation. 
6. Everyone can land a plane.
7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
part of a building. 
8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion. 
10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
enough for them to speak English with German accent.
11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator. 
12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check what
is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, magnificent
hair and magnificent teeth. 
15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway will
be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
menacing body movements. 
16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel has
to be twisted furiously here and there. 
17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child is
locked. 
18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
shower or dives with an aqualung.

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Importance: Low

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Apr 13 13:52:14 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:52:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <01d301c77dfc$da8b6eb0$9898d355@minster33c3r25>

Great stuff Shamil, thanks. And SO true.

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 13 April 2007 17:58
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
> 
> 
> Hi Gustav,
> 
> It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with 
> *malicious* alien software?
> 
> My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a 
> translated from Russian
> anecdote:
> 
> Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
> 1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one 
> time visits a strip-club. 
> 2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to 
> each other. 3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible 
> to hide in a crowd of a passing by parade. For sure there 
> will be suitable parade to do that 
> 4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up 
> to a belt, and a woman - up to a chin. 
> 5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she 
> is given 48 hours to finish investigation. 
> 6. Everyone can land a plane.
> 7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to 
> hide, nobody will try to search for you there you there, but 
> using it you can reach any part of a building. 
> 8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
> 9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the 
> indicator with large red figures for everybody to see what 
> time remains before explosion. 
> 10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German 
> language, it is enough for them to speak English with German 
> accent. 11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To 
> get a light in kitchen at night time it is enough to open a 
> door of a refrigerator. 
> 12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and 
> gloomy building and having heard a suspicious sound, the 
> heroine(actress) goes to check what is happening, having put 
> on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
> 13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
> 14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have 
> shining, magnificent hair and magnificent teeth. 
> 15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, 
> there anyway will be just one attacking you, and the others 
> at this time will be making menacing body movements. 
> 16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the 
> steering wheel has to be twisted furiously here and there. 
> 17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a 
> credit card. Exception is the case when a fire begins in the 
> house where a small child is locked. 
> 18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine 
> (actress) takes a shower or dives with an aqualung.
> 
> --
> Shamil
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
> Importance: Low
> 
> ** Low Priority **
> 
> Hi all, quiet day again.
> 
> A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
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> 




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 13 14:52:52 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:52:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <016701c77e05$52d73400$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Hi Gustav,

It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* alien
software?

My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from Russian
anecdote:

Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
strip-club. 
2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that 4. On
every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, and a
woman - up to a chin. 
5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
hours to finish investigation. 
6. Everyone can land a plane.
7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
part of a building. 
8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion. 
10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
enough for them to speak English with German accent.
11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator. 
12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check what
is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, magnificent
hair and magnificent teeth. 
15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway will
be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
menacing body movements. 
16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel has
to be twisted furiously here and there. 
17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child is
locked. 
18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
shower or dives with an aqualung.

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Importance: Low

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr 13 15:21:24 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:21:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
References: <016701c77e05$52d73400$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086971@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Just to finish this off
 
My Uncle, Sean was in the Merchant Navy. In the 1960s of the coast of Africa he was killed. His mate was asked to go up a chair to paint a mast. His mate refused as it was Friday 13th. My Uncle went up, rope broke and he was killed.
 
True story.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
Sent: Fri 13/04/2007 20:52
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)



Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky





       


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr 13 16:15:35 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:15:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <016701c77e05$52d73400$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>

Rocky,

No, there is no 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition here - I have got
known about it after I started to talk to Western colleagues via Internet...

Unlucky/heavy day is considered to be Monday here, every Monday :) And
Monday, 13th is considered especially heavy/unlucky...

There is a very famous here Soviet times' comedy movie and a soundtrack to
this movie is a song about "Unlucky Island" having these words: "Whatever
they (inhabitants of Unlucky Island) do - it doesn't work well, it looks
like they were born on Monday..."

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky
 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 13 18:16:04 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:16:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

OK I kind of forgot it was OT Friday so I can post a link to an op-ed piece
that my 17 y.o. got published in the San Diego Union Tribune today?  It's
just shameless boasting but as they say - easier to ask forgiveness than
permission.  Hard to keep a proud Dad at bay, you know - 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070413/news_lz1e13sutton.html

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Rocky,

No, there is no 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition here - I have got
known about it after I started to talk to Western colleagues via Internet...

Unlucky/heavy day is considered to be Monday here, every Monday :) And
Monday, 13th is considered especially heavy/unlucky...

There is a very famous here Soviet times' comedy movie and a soundtrack to
this movie is a song about "Unlucky Island" having these words: "Whatever
they (inhabitants of Unlucky Island) do - it doesn't work well, it looks
like they were born on Monday..."

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky
 


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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 15 20:01:43 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <701922.48730.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



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From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Hi Lonnie,

Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: AccessD solving&#39; 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
   
  I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
   
  "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
   
  Any help?
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Apr 15 21:23:16 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
References: <701922.48730.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c77fce$322f7530$0302a8c0@Laptop>

Alright, Lonnie.
I think the simplest method would be to create a public function
in the referenced database that tells the report to open.
Then it doesn't matter where you call it from, it just pops up.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Hi Lonnie,

  Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

  Michael R. Mattys
  MapPoint & Access Dev
  www.mattysconsulting.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lonnie Johnson 
    To: AccessD solving&#39; 
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
     
    I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
     
    "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
     
    Any help?
     
    May God bless you beyond your imagination!
    Lonnie Johnson
    ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
    Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




     



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From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Mon Apr 16 07:47:25 2007
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:47:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
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Message-ID: <1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A05D6@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>

Wow.  Dad is justly proud. 



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

OK I kind of forgot it was OT Friday so I can post a link to an op-ed
piece that my 17 y.o. got published in the San Diego Union Tribune
today?  It's just shameless boasting but as they say - easier to ask
forgiveness than permission.  Hard to keep a proud Dad at bay, you know
- 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070413/news_lz1e13sutton.html

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Rocky,

No, there is no 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition here - I have got
known about it after I started to talk to Western colleagues via
Internet...

Unlucky/heavy day is considered to be Monday here, every Monday :) And
Monday, 13th is considered especially heavy/unlucky...

There is a very famous here Soviet times' comedy movie and a soundtrack
to this movie is a song about "Unlucky Island" having these words:
"Whatever they (inhabitants of Unlucky Island) do - it doesn't work
well, it looks like they were born on Monday..."

--
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at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky
 


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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 16 08:09:42 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <905309.89689.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks. I guess I should have been more revealing. 

I have been asked to create a process by which the user can type in a database path and name into one field and a report name in another field, click a button and that report opens. So I will be adding references to the main database dynamically and through code and retrieving the report. It sounds like a pain but it's what they want. They are bent on certain conveniences like not having to open another database.

Does that help?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:23:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Alright, Lonnie.
I think the simplest method would be to create a public function
in the referenced database that tells the report to open.
Then it doesn't matter where you call it from, it just pops up.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Hi Lonnie,

  Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

  Michael R. Mattys
  MapPoint & Access Dev
  www.mattysconsulting.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lonnie Johnson 
    To: AccessD solving&#39; 
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
     
    I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
     
    "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
     
    Any help?
     
    May God bless you beyond your imagination!
    Lonnie Johnson
    ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
    Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




     



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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Apr 16 09:19:22 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:49:22 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
References: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c78032$5b555e70$0357a27a@pcadt>

Lonnie,

    Two alternatives are available as follows, for viewing / printing reports & forms belonging to external db:

    (a) Library reference to external db:
    (i) In local db, set up library reference named "External" to the external db and then call subroutines & functions belonging to external db by using the qualifier "External." 
    (ii) In the code modules of external db, care is to be taken to use CodeDb & CodeProject in lieu of CurrentDb & CurrentProject respectively, wherever occurring.
    (iii) Automatic setting up of correct reference to external db can be ensured programmatically, through code in start-up form of local db.

    (b) Access automation:
    Activate the external db via automation and toggle respective visibilities of local & external db's appropriately, for user convenience.

    Two of my sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you:
    (a) ExternalDbAsLibraryRef
    (b) ExternalDbAutomation

    Both samples are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: AccessD solving&#39; 
  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 08:44
  Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
   
  I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
   
  "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
   
  Any help?
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Apr 16 09:21:49 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:21:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel
References: <905309.89689.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086986@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

I have a member of staff who is in real need of some expert Excel help. They are also a mature studend and close to deadline re an Excel project as part of their MA. I dont know enough to help her. Would anyone with good Excel expereince care to volunteer???
 
You can contact me of line.
 
Martin
 
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Mon Apr 16 10:55:43 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:55:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
References: <905309.89689.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006401c7803f$b1cac760$0302a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Lonnie,

While I haven't looked at A.D.'s implementations,
my guess is that they're sufficient to answer all of your questions.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Thanks. I guess I should have been more revealing. 

  I have been asked to create a process by which the user can type in a database path and name into one field and a report name in another field, click a button and that report opens. So I will be adding references to the main database dynamically and through code and retrieving the report. It sounds like a pain but it's what they want. They are bent on certain conveniences like not having to open another database.

  Does that help?
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:23:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Alright, Lonnie.
  I think the simplest method would be to create a public function
  in the referenced database that tells the report to open.
  Then it doesn't matter where you call it from, it just pops up.

  Michael R. Mattys
  MapPoint & Access Dev
  www.mattysconsulting.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lonnie Johnson 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:01 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
     
    May God bless you beyond your imagination!
    Lonnie Johnson
    ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
    Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




     



    ----- Original Message ----
    From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Hi Lonnie,

    Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

    Michael R. Mattys
    MapPoint & Access Dev
    www.mattysconsulting.com
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Lonnie Johnson 
      To: AccessD solving&#39; 
      Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


      Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
       
      I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
       
      "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
       
      Any help?
       
      May God bless you beyond your imagination!
      Lonnie Johnson
      ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
      Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




       



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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 11:40:56 2007
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:40:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT -- Transfer Rich Text to SQL Server
Message-ID: <001301c78046$02391570$2f01a8c0@Kermit>

Does anyone on this list happen to know how to take a rich text formatted
cell from Excel and transfer that to SQL Server?

 

Doris Manning

Database Administrator

Hargrove Inc.



From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Apr 16 13:44:49 2007
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:44:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>

Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There are a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased w/it. The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the mileage rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter this rate, every quarter, if it changes.

This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in a bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so the allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may change it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate question will be relevant for that too.

I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they are stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do I reference this record?

Example:

Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485

Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]

Make sense? I hope!

John W. Clark





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 16 14:03:24 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:03:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F25CDCE6CF0E709462FE994D2520@phx.gbl>

John,

I do something similar.  I use a dlookup...and then give them a form with an 
unbound field and a button to change it.  On this form they enter the new 
(in your case) milage...and I use a SQL statement behing the button to write 
over my singe record.  This way the don't have the chance to enter 
additional records in the table.  The Dlookup is then used in all of my 
calculations.

Hope this helps...

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:44:49 -0400
>
>Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There are 
>a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased 
>w/it. The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the 
>mileage rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and 
>alter this rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
>This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of 
>times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in a 
>bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so the 
>allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old 
>amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may change 
>it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate 
>question will be relevant for that too.
>
>I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the 
>rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type 
>form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they 
>are stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how 
>do I reference this record?
>
>Example:
>
>Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
>Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
>Make sense? I hope!
>
>John W. Clark
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 14:03:56 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:03:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
 XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <001301c78046$02391570$2f01a8c0@Kermit>
References: <001301c78046$02391570$2f01a8c0@Kermit>
Message-ID: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca>

Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-bit-ed.aspx

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-bit-ed.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 ? This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won?t be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 ? Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Apr 16 14:15:10 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:15:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

John,

I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up of
the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the user
to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text field,
then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.


'load the data
dim mdRate as double
dim rs as recordset
dim db as database
dim strSQL as string

strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
set db=currentdb()
set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
mdRate=rs(0)
rs.close
set rs=nothing
db.close
set db=nothing



'And use it like:
[AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate


Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There are
a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased w/it.
The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the mileage
rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter this
rate, every quarter, if it changes.

This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in a
bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so the
allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may change
it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
question will be relevant for that too.

I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they are
stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do I
reference this record?

Example:

Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485

Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]

Make sense? I hope!

John W. Clark




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 14:13:30 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:13:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086986@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <905309.89689.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086986@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4623CADA.2010000@shaw.ca>

Here is a useful active Excel-L mailing list and archive

http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html

Martin Reid wrote:

>I have a member of staff who is in real need of some expert Excel help. They are also a mature studend and close to deadline re an Excel project as part of their MA. I dont know enough to help her. Would anyone with good Excel expereince care to volunteer???
> 
>You can contact me of line.
> 
>Martin
> 
>Martin WP Reid
>Training and Assessment Unit
>Riddle Hall
>Belfast
> 
>tel: 02890 974477
> 
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 16 14:31:23 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:31:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB0B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

A number of years ago when I first started running Access queries from
inside Excel I found that I was unable to run queries with functions in the
database for criteria. I was told this was a limitation of VBA (I was using
office 97). Ever since then I have gotten around this by using sub queries
which get the criteria from a table, ie a pure sql solution. This thread has
me wondering if it is possible to use Access functions within queries
executed from within Excel by using different referencing?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Lonnie,

    Two alternatives are available as follows, for viewing / printing
reports & forms belonging to external db:

    (a) Library reference to external db:
    (i) In local db, set up library reference named "External" to the
external db and then call subroutines & functions belonging to external db
by using the qualifier "External." 
    (ii) In the code modules of external db, care is to be taken to use
CodeDb & CodeProject in lieu of CurrentDb & CurrentProject respectively,
wherever occurring.
    (iii) Automatic setting up of correct reference to external db can be
ensured programmatically, through code in start-up form of local db.

    (b) Access automation:
    Activate the external db via automation and toggle respective
visibilities of local & external db's appropriately, for user convenience.

    Two of my sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you:
    (a) ExternalDbAsLibraryRef
    (b) ExternalDbAutomation

    Both samples are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers
library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 14:53:13 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:53:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
 XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Excellent research as always. 

Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
but just in IE

Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won't be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

-- 
AccessD mailing list
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 16:56:33 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:56:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
 XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
References: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca> <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000001c78072$191b8710$8abea8c0@XPS>


  I loved this part:

"# re: MSXML4 is going to be kill bit-ed 
Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:18 PM by XmlTeam 
To amplify Umut's point a bit -- The point of killbitting MSXML4 is to
encourage people to migrate to MSXML6 so that they have a solid foundation
going forward. There are no plans for an MSXML7, so this isn't something
we're going to ask you to do all over again in a couple of years."

  Uh, yeah right...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
2007 but just in IE

Hi Marty:

Excellent research as always. 

Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
but just in IE

Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won't be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 16 17:09:05 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:09:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>,
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>,
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <4623F401.17816.2E6C23D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 16 Apr 2007 at 14:44, John Clark wrote:

> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do I
> reference this record?
> 
> Example:
> 
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
> 
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]

You would use DLookup("CurRate","tblMIleageRate"). Problem is there are 
several situations where Access can't handle this - notably in CrossTab 
queries. 

One solution is to use STATIC functions. They've been discussed several 
times here in the past, search the archives for a discussion of the 
benefits.  Here's how I would approach your problem.

[AmtOwed] = [Miles] * CurRate()
.......
Static Function CurRate() As Curency
Dim store As Long
If store = 0 Then
   store = DLookup("CurRate", "tblMileageRate")
End If
   CurRate = store
End Function

First time you use the function, it does the lookup, from then on, it 
doesn't need to so is a lot faster - important if you use the rate over 
many rows in a query.

If you want to be able to change the rate during a session then you need to 
expand the function:

Static Function CurRate(Option Rate as Currency = -1 ) As Curency
Dim store As Currency
If Rate <> -1 then
   CurrentDB.Execute "Update tblMileageRate Set CurRate = " & Rate
   store = Rate
End If
If store = 0 Then
   store = DLookup("CurRate", "tblMileageRate")
End If
   CurRate = store
End Function

Now "CurRate 0.485" will set the rate, "CurRate()" willl return the rate.

-- 
Stuart




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 17:17:33 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:17:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
	<001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com>

I think a DLookup is simpler:

Me.Control = Dlookup("Rate", "MyTable").

hth,
Arthur

On 4/16/07, Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up
> of
> the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the
> user
> to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text
> field,
> then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.
>
>
> 'load the data
> dim mdRate as double
> dim rs as recordset
> dim db as database
> dim strSQL as string
>
> strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
> set db=currentdb()
> set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
> mdRate=rs(0)
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> db.close
> set db=nothing
>
>
>
> 'And use it like:
> [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate
>
>
> Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>
> Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There
> are
> a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased
> w/it.
> The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the
> mileage
> rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter
> this
> rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
> This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
> times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in
> a
> bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so
> the
> allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
> amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may
> change
> it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
> question will be relevant for that too.
>
> I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
> rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
> form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they
> are
> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do
> I
> reference this record?
>
> Example:
>
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
> Make sense? I hope!
>
> John W. Clark
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 16 18:03:55 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:03:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
	XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE XML 4.0 to be
	kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <000001c78072$191b8710$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca> <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
	<000001c78072$191b8710$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <004301c7807b$82833c80$0200a8c0@danwaters>

How do you upgrade to MSXML 6.0?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
2007 but just in IE XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE


  I loved this part:

"# re: MSXML4 is going to be kill bit-ed 
Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:18 PM by XmlTeam 
To amplify Umut's point a bit -- The point of killbitting MSXML4 is to
encourage people to migrate to MSXML6 so that they have a solid foundation
going forward. There are no plans for an MSXML7, so this isn't something
we're going to ask you to do all over again in a couple of years."

  Uh, yeah right...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
2007 but just in IE

Hi Marty:

Excellent research as always. 

Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
but just in IE

Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won't be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Apr 16 18:21:21 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:21:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
	<001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
	<29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7807d$f1db7ff0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

I agree it would be simpler, but I have tried to get away from dlookup and
the like because it opens another connection to the database.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

I think a DLookup is simpler:

Me.Control = Dlookup("Rate", "MyTable").

hth,
Arthur

On 4/16/07, Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up
> of
> the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the
> user
> to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text
> field,
> then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.
>
>
> 'load the data
> dim mdRate as double
> dim rs as recordset
> dim db as database
> dim strSQL as string
>
> strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
> set db=currentdb()
> set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
> mdRate=rs(0)
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> db.close
> set db=nothing
>
>
>
> 'And use it like:
> [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate
>
>
> Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>
> Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There
> are
> a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased
> w/it.
> The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the
> mileage
> rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter
> this
> rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
> This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
> times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in
> a
> bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so
> the
> allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
> amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may
> change
> it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
> question will be relevant for that too.
>
> I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
> rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
> form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they
> are
> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do
> I
> reference this record?
>
> Example:
>
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
> Make sense? I hope!
>
> John W. Clark
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 20:20:07 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:20:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
	XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE XML 4.0 to
	be	kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <004301c7807b$82833c80$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca> <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
	<000001c78072$191b8710$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<004301c7807b$82833c80$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <462420C7.90104@shaw.ca>

It is preinstalled on Vista and with SQL 2005 SP2
otherwise msi file. some older bits maynot work like XDR schemas
You need for XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 and  new upgrades to
XQuery 1.0



http://tinyurl.com/33borw

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en


Dan Waters wrote:

>How do you upgrade to MSXML 6.0?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:57 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
>2007 but just in IE XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
>
>
>  I loved this part:
>
>"# re: MSXML4 is going to be kill bit-ed 
>Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:18 PM by XmlTeam 
>To amplify Umut's point a bit -- The point of killbitting MSXML4 is to
>encourage people to migrate to MSXML6 so that they have a solid foundation
>going forward. There are no plans for an MSXML7, so this isn't something
>we're going to ask you to do all over again in a couple of years."
>
>  Uh, yeah right...
>
>Jim. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:53 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
>2007 but just in IE
>
>Hi Marty:
>
>Excellent research as always. 
>
>Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
>else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
>but just in IE
>
>Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
>even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
>introduced.
>
>MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
>bit-ed.aspx
>
>MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
>download for supported downlevel platforms from
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
>9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en
>
>MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
>of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
>Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
>XQuery 1.0.
>
>However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
>but not XSD schemas.
>
>MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references
>
>* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
>so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
>stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."
>
>* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
>2007,
>via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
>this change is that
>applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
>browser.
>Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
>of this kill bit
>and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
>from MSXML4 and
>MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
>MSXML 6.0."
>
>MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
>More information here:
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
>bit-ed.aspx
>
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx
>
>
>MS Notes.
>
>MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
>version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
>are working
>on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs
>
>MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
>We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
>won't be adding any functional improvements.
>
>MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
>approaching End of Life.
>
>MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.
>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 20:49:15 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:49:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
 XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
References: <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <4624279B.1010305@shaw.ca>

There are many XML DOM parsers aside from Microsoft's not to mention SAX 
parsers.
However AJAX with MS IE, uses an XMLHTTP Active X to grab files.
XML is based on a series of WSC standards that are being released on a 
yearly basis.
like XSLT 2.0 or XPATH 2.0.  SQL 2005 SP2 installs XML 6.0
also Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0, Microsoft Visual Studio 2005,
and Windows SharePoint Services 3.0.

To get around crossbrowser problems using say Mozilla, you can use 
JavaScript
methods that have been around prior to AJAX. One I use is Sarissa.
A lot of these libraries are available for AJAX.
A cross-browser ECMAScript lib that helps with browser incompatibilities
in XMLHttpRequest/XML/XSLT/XPath along with some with some
useful utility methods. Just extract sarrissa.js

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sarissa/

How  to use
 http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/javascript/ajax.html#crossbrowser

A really simple cross browser java script

/* creates an XMLHttpRequest instance */
function createXmlHttpRequestObject()
{
// will store the reference to the XMLHttpRequest object
var xmlHttp;
// this should work for all browsers except IE6 and older
try
{
// try to create XMLHttpRequest object
xmlHttp = new XMLHttpRequest();
}
catch(e)
{
// assume IE6 or older
var XmlHttpVersions = new Array("MSXML2.XMLHTTP.6.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP.5.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP.4.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP.3.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP",
"Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
// try every prog id until one works
for (var i=0; i<XmlHttpVersions.length && !xmlHttp; i++)
{
try
{
// try to create XMLHttpRequest object
xmlHttp = new ActiveXObject(XmlHttpVersions[i]);
}
catch (e) {}
}
}
// return the created object or display an error message
if (!xmlHttp)
alert("Error creating the XMLHttpRequest object.");
www.PacktPub.com
13
else
return xmlHttp;
}
/*


Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Excellent research as always. 
>
>Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
>else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
>but just in IE
>
>Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
>even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
>introduced.
>
>MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
>bit-ed.aspx
>
>MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
>download for supported downlevel platforms from
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
>9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en
>
>MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
>of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
>Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
>XQuery 1.0.
>
>However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
>but not XSD schemas.
>
>MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references
>
>* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
>so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
>stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."
>
>* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
>2007,
>via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
>this change is that
>applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
>browser.
>Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
>of this kill bit
>and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
>from MSXML4 and
>MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
>MSXML 6.0."
>
>MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
>More information here:
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
>bit-ed.aspx
>
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx
>
>
>MS Notes.
>
>MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
>version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
>are working
>on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs
>
>MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
>We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
>won't be adding any functional improvements.
>
>MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
>approaching End of Life.
>
>MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.
>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 16 20:55:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:55:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB0B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB0B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <000801c78093$8cb44240$657aa8c0@m6805>

Jim,

The issue it appears is one of scope.  Queries running in an access
environment can see code inside of that container.  It cannot see functions
inside of the excel spreadsheet.  To my knowledge, while you can reference
the Excel libraries, you cannot reference code modules inside of
spreadsheets or workbooks (from within Access), nor code inside of documents
(word, from inside of Access).  That makes Access unique within office as a
container that can contain referencable code.  

IOW, I BELIEVE that you can reference an Access MDA from any of the other
office applications - Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and of course, Access.
However you cannot reference modules inside of a workbook from word,
PowerPoint etc, nor can you reference code inside of word documents from
inside of Excel, PowerPoint etc.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db

A number of years ago when I first started running Access queries from
inside Excel I found that I was unable to run queries with functions in the
database for criteria. I was told this was a limitation of VBA (I was using
office 97). Ever since then I have gotten around this by using sub queries
which get the criteria from a table, ie a pure sql solution. This thread has
me wondering if it is possible to use Access functions within queries
executed from within Excel by using different referencing?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Lonnie,

    Two alternatives are available as follows, for viewing / printing
reports & forms belonging to external db:

    (a) Library reference to external db:
    (i) In local db, set up library reference named "External" to the
external db and then call subroutines & functions belonging to external db
by using the qualifier "External." 
    (ii) In the code modules of external db, care is to be taken to use
CodeDb & CodeProject in lieu of CurrentDb & CurrentProject respectively,
wherever occurring.
    (iii) Automatic setting up of correct reference to external db can be
ensured programmatically, through code in start-up form of local db.

    (b) Access automation:
    Activate the external db via automation and toggle respective
visibilities of local & external db's appropriately, for user convenience.

    Two of my sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you:
    (a) ExternalDbAsLibraryRef
    (b) ExternalDbAutomation

    Both samples are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers
library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 17 03:03:26 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:03:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
	XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in	Oct 2007 but just in IE
Message-ID: <s6249b7b.011@cactus.dk>

Thanks Marty, very useful.

I've wondered several times what all these versions were for and which one to use. And recently I noticed 5.0 on my machine which I now understand origins from an Office install.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 16-04-2007 21:03 >>>
Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-bit-ed.aspx 

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en 

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-bit-ed.aspx 

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx 


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 * This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won't be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 * Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Apr 17 09:26:47 2007
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:26:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
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Well, I thank you all. I am going to look into both of these solutions, and see which one is for me...it'll be the one I have lease trouble with ;o)

I'll post again to let you know how it turns out.

John W. Clark


>>> "Bobby Heid" <bheid at sc.rr.com> 4/16/2007 7:21 PM >>>
I agree it would be simpler, but I have tried to get away from dlookup and
the like because it opens another connection to the database.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

I think a DLookup is simpler:

Me.Control = Dlookup("Rate", "MyTable").

hth,
Arthur

On 4/16/07, Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up
> of
> the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the
> user
> to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text
> field,
> then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.
>
>
> 'load the data
> dim mdRate as double
> dim rs as recordset
> dim db as database
> dim strSQL as string
>
> strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
> set db=currentdb()
> set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
> mdRate=rs(0)
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> db.close
> set db=nothing
>
>
>
> 'And use it like:
> [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate
>
>
> Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>
> Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There
> are
> a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased
> w/it.
> The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the
> mileage
> rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter
> this
> rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
> This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
> times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in
> a
> bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so
> the
> allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
> amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may
> change
> it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
> question will be relevant for that too.
>
> I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
> rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
> form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they
> are
> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do
> I
> reference this record?
>
> Example:
>
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
> Make sense? I hope!
>
> John W. Clark
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 17 10:08:48 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:08:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
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References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant><019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005><46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com><001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp><29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com><000f01c7807d$f1db7ff0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
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John,

It looks like your rate information won't change often.  You could copy the
table from the BE to the FE when the FE opens, and then use DLookup without
creating a new connection.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

Well, I thank you all. I am going to look into both of these solutions, and
see which one is for me...it'll be the one I have lease trouble with ;o)

I'll post again to let you know how it turns out.

John W. Clark


>>> "Bobby Heid" <bheid at sc.rr.com> 4/16/2007 7:21 PM >>>
I agree it would be simpler, but I have tried to get away from dlookup and
the like because it opens another connection to the database.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

I think a DLookup is simpler:

Me.Control = Dlookup("Rate", "MyTable").

hth,
Arthur

On 4/16/07, Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up
> of
> the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the
> user
> to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text
> field,
> then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.
>
>
> 'load the data
> dim mdRate as double
> dim rs as recordset
> dim db as database
> dim strSQL as string
>
> strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
> set db=currentdb()
> set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
> mdRate=rs(0)
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> db.close
> set db=nothing
>
>
>
> 'And use it like:
> [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate
>
>
> Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>
> Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There
> are
> a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased
> w/it.
> The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the
> mileage
> rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter
> this
> rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
> This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
> times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in
> a
> bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so
> the
> allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
> amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may
> change
> it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
> question will be relevant for that too.
>
> I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
> rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
> form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they
> are
> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do
> I
> reference this record?
>
> Example:
>
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
> Make sense? I hope!
>
> John W. Clark
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 17 10:33:01 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:33:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
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 >
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John,

I would do a table with the effective date range for the mileage rate.
You do a quick select for the date of the entry to see where it falls
in the range and get the rate for it.  Now, it is fixed forever, and
you also have the history of the rate. It is a good fix, and not just
a Band-Aid.

Robert


At 10:09 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:44:49 -0400
>From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. 
>There are a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are 
>very pleased w/it. The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure 
>out how to change the mileage rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. 
>So, I have had to go in and alter this rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
>This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last 
>couple of times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had 
>already keyed in a bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at 
>the time of entry, so the allowances were off, and I had to run a 
>quick update query to fix the old amounts. This is one of the things 
>I would do differently, and I may change it to compare the date w/a 
>table of dates and rates, but this immediate question will be 
>relevant for that too.
>
>I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to 
>hold the rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a 
>pop-up type form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. 
>buttons, so they are stuck on the one record only. But...finally, 
>we're at my question...how do I reference this record?
>
>Example:
>
>Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
>Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
>Make sense? I hope!
>
>John W. Clark




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 17 10:52:10 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:52:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C20606EB3F@xlivmbx35.aig.com>

Lonnie,

Rather than get involved in adding references dynamically (can you even do
that in an MDE file?) I would still go down the 'set a reference to the
other database' route. 

With luck you will get away with setting references to *all* the other
databases in the one central app. that fires off the reports. In each of the
other apps. Define a public function, each with a prefix unique to the
database it resides in (to avoid duplicate definition issues), and the
function will take a string parameter which will be the name of the report.
Then your central app. can call the function and produce the report. The
down side of all those references is that you may get conflicts with code
routines having the same name. As long as all the references are at the
bottom of the pile you should get away with it.

If that's a no-go, then another alternative is open to you. As they seem to
have accepted the notion of selecting the "other" database and a report in
it before clicking the magic button, why not just spawn the other database,
passing in the name of the report to run? 

You can do this with the /cmd command line switch, and you could use the /x
switch to run a macro which in turn calls a function that produces the
report and then exits the spawned database.

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Thanks. I guess I should have been more revealing. 

I have been asked to create a process by which the user can type in a
database path and name into one field and a report name in another field,
click a button and that report opens. So I will be adding references to the
main database dynamically and through code and retrieving the report. It
sounds like a pain but it's what they want. They are bent on certain
conveniences like not having to open another database.

Does that help?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
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----- Original Message ----
From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:23:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Alright, Lonnie.
I think the simplest method would be to create a public function in the
referenced database that tells the report to open. Then it doesn't matter
where you call it from, it just pops up.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I
may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Hi Lonnie,

  Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

  Michael R. Mattys
  MapPoint & Access Dev
  www.mattysconsulting.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lonnie Johnson 
    To: AccessD solving&#39; 
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
     
    I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database
with...
     
    "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
     
    Any help?
     
    May God bless you beyond your imagination!
    Lonnie Johnson
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Apr 17 10:58:28 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:58:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB0D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

My experience certainly seems to bear out what you say, thanks
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Jim,

The issue it appears is one of scope.  Queries running in an access
environment can see code inside of that container.  It cannot see functions
inside of the excel spreadsheet.  To my knowledge, while you can reference
the Excel libraries, you cannot reference code modules inside of
spreadsheets or workbooks (from within Access), nor code inside of documents
(word, from inside of Access).  That makes Access unique within office as a
container that can contain referencable code.  

IOW, I BELIEVE that you can reference an Access MDA from any of the other
office applications - Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and of course, Access.
However you cannot reference modules inside of a workbook from word,
PowerPoint etc, nor can you reference code inside of word documents from
inside of Excel, PowerPoint etc.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db

A number of years ago when I first started running Access queries from
inside Excel I found that I was unable to run queries with functions in the
database for criteria. I was told this was a limitation of VBA (I was using
office 97). Ever since then I have gotten around this by using sub queries
which get the criteria from a table, ie a pure sql solution. This thread has
me wondering if it is possible to use Access functions within queries
executed from within Excel by using different referencing? Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Lonnie,

    Two alternatives are available as follows, for viewing / printing
reports & forms belonging to external db:

    (a) Library reference to external db:
    (i) In local db, set up library reference named "External" to the
external db and then call subroutines & functions belonging to external db
by using the qualifier "External." 
    (ii) In the code modules of external db, care is to be taken to use
CodeDb & CodeProject in lieu of CurrentDb & CurrentProject respectively,
wherever occurring.
    (iii) Automatic setting up of correct reference to external db can be
ensured programmatically, through code in start-up form of local db.

    (b) Access automation:
    Activate the external db via automation and toggle respective
visibilities of local & external db's appropriately, for user convenience.

    Two of my sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you:
    (a) ExternalDbAsLibraryRef
    (b) ExternalDbAutomation

    Both samples are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers
library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 14:18:16 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:18:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n
Message-ID: <b874372a0704171218mff39b78sfcda3de3c5eea0bf@mail.gmail.com>

I know how to do this in Sql Server, but have been thinking it over on how
to do this via the QBE grid in Access...


The situation is there is a list like so

Bob  100
Bob  090
Bob  050
Bob  010
Bill   250
Bill   100
Bill   070
Bill   050
Jim   etc...


What is required, is that they want to be able to obtain the top 3 records
for each customer ie, Top 3 records sorted in descending order by the qty.

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From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Tue Apr 17 14:37:07 2007
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:37:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms
Message-ID: <013301c78127$c8d1d190$6501a8c0@TBIG1>

Has anyone found a viable way to display thumbnails for linked (external)
images in a continous form in Access 2003?
 
TIA,
 
Myke
The Better Information Group



From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 16:09:40 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:09:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
Message-ID: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello:

Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?
I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form
view using a button

thanks in advance

Billy

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 17:18:03 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:18:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009901c7813e$4485e6d0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

I just had to do this.  OK, it's not exactly what you're looking for but
it's a work-around, yes?  You make the form a sub form and change the source
object.  I have two subforms - one's a continuous form, one's a datasheet
form. 

This is the code behind a command button on the main form to toggle the
sub-form.  

    If Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail" Then
        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetailDatasheet"
    Else
        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail"
    End If
    Me.subfrmPODetail.Requery

HTH

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy Pang
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA

Hello:

Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?
I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form
view using a button

thanks in advance

Billy

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 17 17:32:27 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:32:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46254AFB.19017.822807B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Apr 2007 at 14:09, Billy Pang wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?
> I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form
> view using a button

Easy enough to go from Form View to Datasheet view with a button which 
invokes DoCmd.DoMenuItem..... 

Trouble is that the button is not visible in Datasheet view so the user 
can't change back.  

-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 17 17:36:40 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:36:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46254BF8.31804.8265B8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

<quot>
Easy enough to go from Form View to Datasheet view with a button which 
invokes DoCmd.DoMenuItem..... 
</quote>

But it's better to use DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDatasheetView

:-)


-- 
Stuart




From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 19:35:33 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:35:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <009901c7813e$4485e6d0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
	<009901c7813e$4485e6d0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704171735q745035a3nb9ce195a7c36d095@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Rocky.

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I just had to do this.  OK, it's not exactly what you're looking for but
> it's a work-around, yes?  You make the form a sub form and change the
> source
> object.  I have two subforms - one's a continuous form, one's a datasheet
> form.
>
> This is the code behind a command button on the main form to toggle the
> sub-form.
>
>    If Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail" Then
>        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetailDatasheet"
>    Else
>        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail"
>    End If
>    Me.subfrmPODetail.Requery
>
> HTH
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy Pang
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
>
> Hello:
>
> Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using
> VBA?
> I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the
> form
> view using a button
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Billy
>
> --
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> http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
> "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
> Italian proverb
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Italian proverb


From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 19:37:52 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:37:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <46254BF8.31804.8265B8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
	<46254BF8.31804.8265B8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704171737y336b64d7we2a462b39df6625f@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Stuart. however, when i run docmd.runcommand accmddatasheetview opens
up the current form selected from the database window, which may or may not
be the target form.

On 4/17/07, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
> <quot>
> Easy enough to go from Form View to Datasheet view with a button which
> invokes DoCmd.DoMenuItem.....
> </quote>
>
> But it's better to use DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDatasheetView
>
> :-)
>
>
> --
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>
>
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"Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
Italian proverb


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 19:47:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:47:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WinZip Courier
Message-ID: <00d601c78153$2ad4db50$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

OT but hopefully useful information:
 
Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier
(http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email attachment
size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and then notify
recipients where they can download the files.  It works.  Pretty cool.  I
had an occasion last week to need a back end from a client.  It was 100MB+
and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would have solved the problem.
 
Rocky
 



 	
	


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 22:44:38 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:44:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <44ef7a350704171947j7f2f126aif484a51ea2c6f6f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011601c7816b$e4232220$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.  
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From adtp at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 17 23:56:34 2007
From: adtp at hotmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:26:34 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms
References: <013301c78127$c8d1d190$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV136D63D653C4098BD2819BCE500@phx.gbl>

Myke,

    Apparently, you wish to display externally stored images via image control (avoiding OLE field, to prevent bloat).

    My sample db named ImageManager might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.


    This sample db uses image control, assigning relevant file paths to its picture property. User can browse & select the image files in target folder and their paths get stored programmatically in access table.

    Apart from covering display of images via slide shows (manual advance or automatic advance as desired), the sample also demonstrates display of images in thumbnail view, in continuous form style (it is a simulated continuous form).

    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Myke Myers 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 01:07
  Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms


  Has anyone found a viable way to display thumbnails for linked (external) images in a continous form in Access 2003?
   
  TIA,
   
  Myke
  The Better Information Group

From adtp at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 18 01:21:25 2007
From: adtp at hotmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:51:25 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV16E70CF0A6883BEFA5F9AFCE500@phx.gbl>

Billy,

    Sample public subroutine named P_ToggleView(), in form's module, as given below, should enable you to toggle the view between datasheet & normal form as desired. 

    You can call this routine from double click event of various controls. Whenever the user dbl-clicks any of the controls (in form view) or any of the columns (in datasheet view), the existing view will change-over to the other one.

    If you wish to toggle the view of target form (named F_Test) by clicking a button on another form (named F_Test_02), the routine in module of form F_Test can be called via click event of command button on form F_Test_02. While doing so, care is to be taken to first select form F_Test as shown in the sample code below, for module of form F_Test_02.

    Note - When toggling views, it is often desirable to simultaneously take care of column widths (in datasheet view) and settings for scroll bars & dividing lines, as shown in the sample code below.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

Code module of form F_Test
(ID, SDate, Product & Qty are 
 names of controls on the form)
=================================
Public Sub P_ToggleView()
    ' Toggles between Form & Datasheet views
    
    ' Check current view and change accordingly
    ' Value of 2 stands for Datasheet view
    If Me.CurrentView = 2 Then
        ' Change to Form view
        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFormView
        
        ' Remove scroll bars & dividing lines
        Me.ScrollBars = 0      ' Neither
        Me.DividingLines = False
    Else
        ' Change to Datasheet view
        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDatasheetView
        
        ' Adjust column widths in datasheet view
        ID.ColumnWidth = 1500               ' (A)
        SDate.ColumnWidth = 2000          ' (B)
        Product.ColumnWidth = 3000       ' (C)
        Qty.ColumnWidth = 1550             ' (D)
        
        ' Restore scroll bars & dividing lines
        Me.ScrollBars = 3     ' Both
        Me.DividingLines = True
    End If
End Sub
=================================

Code module of form F_Test_02
=================================
Private Sub CmdToggleView_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, "F_Test", False
    Forms("F_Test").P_ToggleView
End Sub
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Billy Pang 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 02:39
  Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA


  Hello:

  Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?

  I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form view using a button

  thanks in advance

  Billy


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 18 03:07:27 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:07:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
Message-ID: <s625ee04.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Billy

I think I would move the form into a subform, then you can have your button to control the view on the main form.

/gustav

>>> tuxedoman888 at gmail.com 17-04-2007 23:09 >>>
Hello:

Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?
I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form view using a button

thanks in advance

Billy




From pcs at azizaz.com  Wed Apr 18 09:29:39 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Hansen, Professional Computer Systems)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:29:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Assistance Required - Web Development
Message-ID: <038701c781c6$001e4540$fa10a8c0@Albatross>

Hi,

I don't know if this is breaching netiquette - if so I ask to be excused...

Any one interested, please take contact directly.

I am in need of assistance with the development of a web interface for the following features:
- Secure Login 
- Update of Personal Details
- Event Registration including Payment (Credit Card) over secure line
with Read and Write to SQL Server 2005

Background:
Event Management System 
Access 2003
In production since 1993 - in Access since 1999

Currently the Backend is being upsized to SQL Server2005 


Regards
borge
pcs at azizaz.com



From bheid at sc.rr.com  Wed Apr 18 09:31:31 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:31:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <011601c7816b$e4232220$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <44ef7a350704171947j7f2f126aif484a51ea2c6f6f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<011601c7816b$e4232220$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001d01c781c6$432626f0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.  
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Apr 18 09:57:28 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:57:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Best / Safest method of connecting to a dbase IV table
	via Access XP
In-Reply-To: <038701c781c6$001e4540$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
References: <038701c781c6$001e4540$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
Message-ID: <036501c781c9$e3103bd0$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Folks:

(Using Access XP/2002 Runtime)
I have a project that will require me to connect to a dbase table
periodically to scan for changes / additions. 

Since I will never write to this table, I'm wondering what is the
best/safest technique to use when reading the table? I can link to the table
fine via the native linked tables method in Access.

I'm primarily concerned with not messing up the dbase table!

Thanks in advance.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 18 10:05:03 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:05:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <001d01c781c6$432626f0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <002301c781ca$f1d60360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
_______________________________________________
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dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 18 10:40:11 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:40:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <002301c781ca$f1d60360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JGP00E9P9ZM4X20@l-daemon>

Hi Rocky:

If you want to send any file, using a similar method and it is still free
check out http://sendspace.com

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Wed Apr 18 11:09:10 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <002301c781ca$f1d60360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <001d01c781c6$432626f0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
	<002301c781ca$f1d60360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003901c781d3$e6e1f8c0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

Thanks Rocky.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 18 11:41:21 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:41:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <0JGP00E9P9ZM4X20@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <004201c781d8$660d86b0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Service looks pretty much identical to WinZip's.  But I never heard of them.
They been around long? 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Hi Rocky:

If you want to send any file, using a similar method and it is still free
check out http://sendspace.com

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 18 13:01:38 2007
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV136D63D653C4098BD2819BCE500@phx.gbl>
References: <013301c78127$c8d1d190$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
	<BAY139-DAV136D63D653C4098BD2819BCE500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <014401c781e3$a628a7b0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>

A.D.:

Thanks for the example. I think I can adapt it to my app.

If I understand your simulated continuous form design, I would need 10
identical subforms with different names if I wanted to display 10 records
per page. Is that correct?

Thanks,

Myke

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: ADT
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms

Myke,

    Apparently, you wish to display externally stored images via image
control (avoiding OLE field, to prevent bloat).

    My sample db named ImageManager might be of interest to you. It is
available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.


    This sample db uses image control, assigning relevant file paths to its
picture property. User can browse & select the image files in target folder
and their paths get stored programmatically in access table.

    Apart from covering display of images via slide shows (manual advance or
automatic advance as desired), the sample also demonstrates display of
images in thumbnail view, in continuous form style (it is a simulated
continuous form).

    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Myke Myers
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 01:07
  Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms


  Has anyone found a viable way to display thumbnails for linked (external)
images in a continous form in Access 2003?
   
  TIA,
   
  Myke
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 18 13:28:39 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:28:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <004201c781d8$660d86b0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JGP00EHNHSDYU00@l-daemon>

Hi Rocky:

I have not idea. It was one the daughters' discoveries... they know all the
latest technologies and try to keep their Dad current. I would have also
suggested YouSendIt (http://www.yousendit.com) but similar to the WinZip
version it is time sensitive.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Service looks pretty much identical to WinZip's.  But I never heard of them.
They been around long? 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Hi Rocky:

If you want to send any file, using a similar method and it is still free
check out http://sendspace.com

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 18 14:09:54 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <0JGP00EHNHSDYU00@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <006101c781ed$26073fb0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Yousendit is the engine behind the WinZip Courier service.

R
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Hi Rocky:

I have not idea. It was one the daughters' discoveries... they know all the
latest technologies and try to keep their Dad current. I would have also
suggested YouSendIt (http://www.yousendit.com) but similar to the WinZip
version it is time sensitive.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Service looks pretty much identical to WinZip's.  But I never heard of them.
They been around long? 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Hi Rocky:

If you want to send any file, using a similar method and it is still free
check out http://sendspace.com

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr 18 14:53:11 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:53:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Assistance Required - Web Development
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1176915602.3932.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1176915602.3932.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704181958.l3IJwV5x027680@databaseadvisors.com>

Borge,

I might be interested in helping you with this.
I think i already have everything in place but
the credit card portion of it. And that really
depends on the API for the service you plan on
using.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/18/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:29:39 +1000
>From: "Borge Hansen, Professional Computer Systems" <pcs at azizaz.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Assistance Required - Web Development
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <038701c781c6$001e4540$fa10a8c0 at Albatross>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hi,
>
>I don't know if this is breaching netiquette - if so I ask to be excused...
>
>Any one interested, please take contact directly.
>
>I am in need of assistance with the development of a web interface 
>for the following features:
>- Secure Login
>- Update of Personal Details
>- Event Registration including Payment (Credit Card) over secure line
>with Read and Write to SQL Server 2005
>
>Background:
>Event Management System
>Access 2003
>In production since 1993 - in Access since 1999
>
>Currently the Backend is being upsized to SQL Server2005
>
>
>Regards
>borge
>pcs at azizaz.com




From jengross at gte.net  Wed Apr 18 15:47:25 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:47:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K --> SQL 2005 - Licensing
Message-ID: <017701c781fa$cc78bba0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi All,

If I link from A2K to SQL 2005, but the table is not open/active within
the Access database, am I still eating up one of the SQL Server
licenses?  Or, is it only when the user engages in a process that is
actively using that SQL table that we are then considered using one of
our SQL seats?

We currently have a 20 user license for SQL Server and approximately 35
users of our Access database.  I would like to tap into the SQL database
for some information.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Jennifer Gross
databasics
2839 Shirley Drive
Newbury Park, CA 91320-3068
office:  (805) 480-1921
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Apr 18 17:11:04 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:11:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] My nemesis - ODBC Connections
In-Reply-To: <017701c781fa$cc78bba0$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <013801c78206$74dc0760$6501a8c0@LaptopXP>

I've been having ODBC issues with SqlServer for, what seems to be, forever.
On different servers, different PCs, different OS. This week has been
particularly bad. It could have something to do with some updates my
customer is putting on his server, but even so, it's an issue that had
bugged me for years. Maybe someone can shed some light on this.

Access 2K and SQLServer 2000:

What seems to happen is when I develop an app on my PC and relink to
SQLServer using Accces, my app works fine. When I give it to others,
sometimes the app works and sometime it gives me an ODBC error. Usually
after the error, it comes up with the SQL Server login box and the after
entering login info. It's fine. If they restart, same issue. But it's very
inconsistent. I can then go back and relink again on my PC and give it to
them again. Sometimes that actually fixes it, yet I didn't do anything
different than I did before.

I initially link using a DSN Filename, but after linking my guess is the DSN
file is no longer used since I can usually install the app on a new PC
without putting the DSN on their PC. When I look at the linked table's
properties it shows the connection string without the DSN name. Which makes
sense since it's not using the DSN for a connection, but the imbedded string
instead. 

Does all this make sense. Can someone explain what's going on? Why I'm
having all these problems? Is there a fix?? Help!!!!

John Skolits





From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Apr 18 23:14:01 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:44:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms
References: <013301c78127$c8d1d190$6501a8c0@TBIG1><BAY139-DAV136D63D653C4098
	BD2819BCE500@phx.gbl> <014401c781e3$a628a7b0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
Message-ID: <00cf01c7823a$eac6f550$3f57a27a@pcadt>

    Yes Myke!  Your presumption is correct.

A.D.Tejpal
---------------

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  From: Myke Myers 
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  Cc: 'ADT' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 23:31
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms


  A.D.:

  Thanks for the example. I think I can adapt it to my app.

  If I understand your simulated continuous form design, I would need 10 identical subforms with different names if I wanted to display 10 records per page. Is that correct?

  Thanks,

  Myke

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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:57 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: ADT
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms

  Myke,

      Apparently, you wish to display externally stored images via image
  control (avoiding OLE field, to prevent bloat).

      My sample db named ImageManager might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link -
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.


      This sample db uses image control, assigning relevant file paths to its picture property. User can browse & select the image files in target folder and their paths get stored programmatically in access table.

      Apart from covering display of images via slide shows (manual advance or automatic advance as desired), the sample also demonstrates display of images in thumbnail view, in continuous form style (it is a simulated continuous form).

      You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.
   
  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ---------------

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Myke Myers
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 01:07
    Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms

    Has anyone found a viable way to display thumbnails for linked (external) images in a continous form in Access 2003?
     
    TIA,
     
    Myke
    The Better Information Group

From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Apr 19 05:49:38 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:49:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
Message-ID: <200704191035.l3JAZQx15157@smarthost.yourcomms.net>

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record). 

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr 19 07:40:43 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:40:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
In-Reply-To: <200704191035.l3JAZQx15157@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
Message-ID: <001001c7827f$f24823e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2?  What's the
row source for Combo2?  Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular look,
even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2 is
cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say to the
current record). 

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all you
active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Apr 19 08:57:08 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:57:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
In-Reply-To: <001001c7827f$f24823e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <200704191035.l3JAZQx15157@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
	<001001c7827f$f24823e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200704191349.l3JDnsx07252@smarthost.yourcomms.net>

Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2?  What's
the
row source for Combo2?  Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look,
even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is
cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say to
the
current record). 

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you
active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 09:34:39 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:34:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
In-Reply-To: <001001c7827f$f24823e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F7916DA2292C246AA77742D2570@phx.gbl>

Is it because it is on a continuous form?


>From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:40:43 -0700
>
>In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2?  What's the
>row source for Combo2?  Does it include the value of Combo1?
>
>Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
>Richard
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
>
>Hi
>
>Access 97
>
>It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular look,
>even though I concentrate on .net these days.
>A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
>myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.
>
>Scenario.....timesheet screen...
>
>header record with continuous subform details.
>Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
>based on the value in combo 1.
>This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.
>
>The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2 is
>cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say to the
>current record).
>
>I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all you
>active MS Accessers..... any clues??
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>Richard Griffiths
>0161 253 5169
>Software Developer
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Apr 19 10:46:00 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:46:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
Message-ID: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field stored
by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is the 1st
column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you requery the combo
then most records on the subform find themselves trying to display something
which is no longer in the combo's recordset as it were. I'll be watching
with interest for good ideas.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the
row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look,
even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is
cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say to
the
current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you
active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Thu Apr 19 10:01:23 2007
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:01:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>

The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box.  Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz 


Liz Doering
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Apr 19 11:30:50 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:30:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
Message-ID: <20070419153055.BC15C4C71C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

And I guess you'd have to get the value to display by a Dlookup or
something, which might be pretty slow.
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 15:05


The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box. Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz


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612.667.2447


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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Apr 19 10:31:37 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:31:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
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Hi

Not sure if everyone's on the same track

Combo 1		Combo 2 (sub-activity)

A01				
B02
C03
D04

A01 has sub-activities SA01, SA02, SA03
B01 has sub-activities SB01, SB02, SB03
C01 has sub-activities SC01, SC02, SB03

Line 1 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03


Line 2 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03

All okay so far but.......

Line 3 in sub (continuous form) select B01...and

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
B01			 we want SB01, SB02, SB03 to show in combo 2
(which I think does work) but on line 1 and line 2 the second combo
(whilst actually
retaining the correct value behind the scenes now displays a blank combo
box value.  There is some logic here in that combo 2 has just been
re-queried
using the filter main code B01 (combo 1) on the current line - the
values in the combo 2 on lines 1 and 2 cannot now find/map correctly as
there record source is using B01 as the filter.




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com
Sent: 19 April 2007 16:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box.  Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz 


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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 19 10:38:59 2007
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:38:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
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X-posted AccessD, VB

Hello All,

I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope
someone can help with.

Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.

Any short code snip will do.

TIA,

Jim DeMarco



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 19 10:53:58 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:53:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
In-Reply-To: <200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk><1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
	<200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258BC1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

This is normal behavior in a continuous form with a combobox.  The way
I've always worked around it is to put a textbox behind the combobox and
make the backstyle of the combo transaparent.  Both controls are bound
to the same field, but when the record is not current, the value from
the textbox shows through.  When the combo gets the focus, the textbox
is automatically hidden.  Would that work for you?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Not sure if everyone's on the same track

Combo 1		Combo 2 (sub-activity)

A01				
B02
C03
D04

A01 has sub-activities SA01, SA02, SA03
B01 has sub-activities SB01, SB02, SB03
C01 has sub-activities SC01, SC02, SB03

Line 1 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03


Line 2 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03

All okay so far but.......

Line 3 in sub (continuous form) select B01...and

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
B01			 we want SB01, SB02, SB03 to show in combo 2
(which I think does work) but on line 1 and line 2 the second combo
(whilst actually retaining the correct value behind the scenes now
displays a blank combo box value.  There is some logic here in that
combo 2 has just been re-queried using the filter main code B01 (combo
1) on the current line - the values in the combo 2 on lines 1 and 2
cannot now find/map correctly as there record source is using B01 as the
filter.




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com
Sent: 19 April 2007 16:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box.  Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz 


Liz Doering
elizabeth.j.doering at wellsfargo.com
612.667.2447


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Apr 19 11:59:59 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:59:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
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I'll give it a try, thanks to all

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 19 April 2007 16:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

This is normal behavior in a continuous form with a combobox.  The way
I've always worked around it is to put a textbox behind the combobox and
make the backstyle of the combo transaparent.  Both controls are bound
to the same field, but when the record is not current, the value from
the textbox shows through.  When the combo gets the focus, the textbox
is automatically hidden.  Would that work for you?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Not sure if everyone's on the same track

Combo 1		Combo 2 (sub-activity)

A01				
B02
C03
D04

A01 has sub-activities SA01, SA02, SA03
B01 has sub-activities SB01, SB02, SB03
C01 has sub-activities SC01, SC02, SB03

Line 1 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03


Line 2 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03

All okay so far but.......

Line 3 in sub (continuous form) select B01...and

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
B01			 we want SB01, SB02, SB03 to show in combo 2
(which I think does work) but on line 1 and line 2 the second combo
(whilst actually retaining the correct value behind the scenes now
displays a blank combo box value.  There is some logic here in that
combo 2 has just been re-queried using the filter main code B01 (combo
1) on the current line - the values in the combo 2 on lines 1 and 2
cannot now find/map correctly as there record source is using B01 as the
filter.




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com
Sent: 19 April 2007 16:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box.  Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz 


Liz Doering
elizabeth.j.doering at wellsfargo.com
612.667.2447


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 11:59:21 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:59:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
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	<1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
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	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>

I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net
I have XPath examples in VBA

Are you using XQuery or XPath?

 XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves 
the
role of node-set identification (selection)

XQuery example

Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT 
Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _

                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"


XPath example

    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
   Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")

Have a look at
SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2
By Alex Homer

http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>X-posted AccessD, VB
>
>Hello All,
>
>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope
>someone can help with.
>
>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>
>Any short code snip will do.
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>  
>

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 19 12:10:41 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:10:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table
Message-ID: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended as expected.

/gustav




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 19 12:29:07 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table
In-Reply-To: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
References: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258BC8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Are you sure it shouldn't be adUseServer?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL
table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB
provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are
appended as expected.

/gustav


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 12:47:30 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:47:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table
In-Reply-To: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
References: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4627AB32.70004@shaw.ca>

Could be cursor type or location.
Try running an ODBC trace log works for other DB's too.
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myodbc-configuration-trace.html
or look through here
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myodbc-connector.html

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
>Any ideas why?
>
>  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
>  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
>  
>  Dim lngRow  As Long
>   
>  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
>  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
>
>  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
>  cnn.Open
>  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient
>
>  With rst
>    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
>    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
>      .AddNew
>        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
>      .Update
>    Next
>    .Close
>  End With
>  
>  Set rst = Nothing
>  Set cnn = Nothing
>  
>End Function
>
>If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended as expected.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 19 13:18:24 2007
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:18:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk><1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com><200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net><0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>

Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.

We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
betweent the two do you think?


Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6

I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
VBA

Are you using XQuery or XPath?

 XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
the role of node-set identification (selection)

XQuery example

Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _

                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"


XPath example

    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
   Set oNodeList =
oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")

Have a look at
SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer

http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>X-posted AccessD, VB
>
>Hello All,
>
>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope 
>someone can help with.
>
>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of 
>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the 
>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>
>Any short code snip will do.
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>  
>

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Canada

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 14:35:31 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:35:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table
In-Reply-To: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JGR00EXCFJO4TU1@l-daemon>

Hi Gustav:

I did not know there were OLE DB drivers for MySQL that would run through
Access... only ODBC drivers. There are a number of .Net examples but I do
not believe they are cross-compatible. This may not be the case as I was
working with such a configuration but it was about 4 or 5 years ago and
things should have progressed since then.

I have seen a configuration example... not tried. It shows "Provider=MySQL
Provider" code looking like "Provider=MySQLProv".

Below is a list of links to the latest software pieces:

1. MySQL - latest version from http://www.mysql.com/downloads
2. MySQLODBC (reqd for Access to MySQL) - http://www.mysql.com/downloads
3. MyOLEDB - http://www.mysql.com/downloads (should be MySQLProv.2.5)
4. WinMySQLAdmin - http://www.mysql.com/downloads
5. Access To MySQL -
http://www.mysql.com/downloads/win32/myaccess2000_1_4.zip
 
HTH

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider,
nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended
as expected.

/gustav


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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 17:50:52 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:50:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <s625ee04.042@cactus.dk>
References: <s625ee04.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704191550g2ee34130n25cd62ab02ef85ba@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Gustav.  I'll give this a shot.

On 4/18/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Billy
>
> I think I would move the form into a subform, then you can have your
> button to control the view on the main form.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> tuxedoman888 at gmail.com 17-04-2007 23:09 >>>
> Hello:
>
> Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using
> VBA?
> I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the
> form view using a button
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Billy
>
>
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Italian proverb


From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 17:51:41 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:51:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV16E70CF0A6883BEFA5F9AFCE500@phx.gbl>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY139-DAV16E70CF0A6883BEFA5F9AFCE500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704191551j4b7c4673ic61e5477b9738758@mail.gmail.com>

thanks A.D..  I'll give this a shot.

On 4/17/07, A.D.TEJPAL <adtp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Billy,
>
>    Sample public subroutine named P_ToggleView(), in form's module, as
> given below, should enable you to toggle the view between datasheet & normal
> form as desired.
>
>    You can call this routine from double click event of various controls.
> Whenever the user dbl-clicks any of the controls (in form view) or any of
> the columns (in datasheet view), the existing view will change-over to the
> other one.
>
>    If you wish to toggle the view of target form (named F_Test) by
> clicking a button on another form (named F_Test_02), the routine in module
> of form F_Test can be called via click event of command button on form
> F_Test_02. While doing so, care is to be taken to first select form F_Test
> as shown in the sample code below, for module of form F_Test_02.
>
>    Note - When toggling views, it is often desirable to simultaneously
> take care of column widths (in datasheet view) and settings for scroll bars
> & dividing lines, as shown in the sample code below.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ---------------
>
> Code module of form F_Test
> (ID, SDate, Product & Qty are
> names of controls on the form)
> =================================
> Public Sub P_ToggleView()
>    ' Toggles between Form & Datasheet views
>
>    ' Check current view and change accordingly
>    ' Value of 2 stands for Datasheet view
>    If Me.CurrentView = 2 Then
>        ' Change to Form view
>        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFormView
>
>        ' Remove scroll bars & dividing lines
>        Me.ScrollBars = 0      ' Neither
>        Me.DividingLines = False
>    Else
>        ' Change to Datasheet view
>        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDatasheetView
>
>        ' Adjust column widths in datasheet view
>        ID.ColumnWidth = 1500               ' (A)
>        SDate.ColumnWidth = 2000          ' (B)
>        Product.ColumnWidth = 3000       ' (C)
>        Qty.ColumnWidth = 1550             ' (D)
>
>        ' Restore scroll bars & dividing lines
>        Me.ScrollBars = 3     ' Both
>        Me.DividingLines = True
>    End If
> End Sub
> =================================
>
> Code module of form F_Test_02
> =================================
> Private Sub CmdToggleView_Click()
>    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, "F_Test", False
>    Forms("F_Test").P_ToggleView
> End Sub
> =================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Billy Pang
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 02:39
> Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
>
>
> Hello:
>
> Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using
> VBA?
>
> I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the
> form view using a button
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Billy
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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 17:59:41 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:59:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] My nemesis - ODBC Connections
In-Reply-To: <013801c78206$74dc0760$6501a8c0@LaptopXP>
References: <017701c781fa$cc78bba0$6501a8c0@jefferson>
	<013801c78206$74dc0760$6501a8c0@LaptopXP>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704191559t9352ff1s9d61d15bdb42cfd1@mail.gmail.com>

how often does the odbc error message come up?  what does the error message
say?  because login box pops up, if possible, i'd use profiler or server
side traces to monitor the logins and logouts.  if there is invalid login
attempts made by the application, maybe the connection info is being drop
upon reestablishing the db connection.


On 4/18/07, John Skolits <askolits at ot.com> wrote:
>
> I've been having ODBC issues with SqlServer for, what seems to be,
> forever.
> On different servers, different PCs, different OS. This week has been
> particularly bad. It could have something to do with some updates my
> customer is putting on his server, but even so, it's an issue that had
> bugged me for years. Maybe someone can shed some light on this.
>
> Access 2K and SQLServer 2000:
>
> What seems to happen is when I develop an app on my PC and relink to
> SQLServer using Accces, my app works fine. When I give it to others,
> sometimes the app works and sometime it gives me an ODBC error. Usually
> after the error, it comes up with the SQL Server login box and the after
> entering login info. It's fine. If they restart, same issue. But it's very
> inconsistent. I can then go back and relink again on my PC and give it to
> them again. Sometimes that actually fixes it, yet I didn't do anything
> different than I did before.
>
> I initially link using a DSN Filename, but after linking my guess is the
> DSN
> file is no longer used since I can usually install the app on a new PC
> without putting the DSN on their PC. When I look at the linked table's
> properties it shows the connection string without the DSN name. Which
> makes
> sense since it's not using the DSN for a connection, but the imbedded
> string
> instead.
>
> Does all this make sense. Can someone explain what's going on? Why I'm
> having all these problems? Is there a fix?? Help!!!!
>
> John Skolits
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 19:55:50 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:55:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
	<200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <46280F96.2040800@shaw.ca>

As long as you are clear that XQuery now runs in SQL 2005 only.
Using XQuery to manage XML with SQL Server 2005,
you can create a table or a stored  XML document in an xml datatype
Maybe you can run from a Stored Procedure not sure.

Microsoft originally included XQuery in the .NET framework for use with
client-side XML processing. They have since removed it from the .NET 
framework
and kept XQuery native only to the SQL Server environment.
The reasons for this vary from being more secure to better performance 
by having
it at the SQL Server level. The .NET framework does still include XML 
client-side parsing
capability through the use of the Systems.XML namespace, however.
this namespace includes Xpath 2.0, a language for locating and extracting
parts of an XML document. XQuery can also use Xpath expressions.
Xpath 1.0, 2.0 is also available with XML 4.0 and XML 6.0 standalone parsers

I'll post a couple of  XPath VBA examples.

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>
>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
>betweent the two do you think?
>
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
>VBA
>
>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>
> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>
>XQuery example
>
>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>
>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"
>
>
>XPath example
>
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>   Set oNodeList =
>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>
>Have a look at
>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>
>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>
>
>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>  
>
>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope 
>>someone can help with.
>>
>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of 
>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the 
>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>
>>Any short code snip will do.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Jim DeMarco
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
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>
>  
>

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Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 19:59:22 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:59:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
	<200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <4628106A.60007@shaw.ca>

'criteria grab all books with price >20


Dim mcolRate As Collection
Sub testxmlinventory()
http://cairocafe.blogspot.com/2006/09/xpath-intro.html
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms256086.aspx
  Set mcolRate = New Collection

GrabXMLFile ("C:\Access files\xmlfiles\inventory.xml")

Debug.Print "mcol " & mcolRate(1)

End Sub
Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)

    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
    Dim Mydb As Database
    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
    Dim sTempValue As String
    Dim i As Long
    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40

    oDOMDocument.async = False
    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors
    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
 
    'use if xml disk file
      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
        MsgBox ("XML File error")
             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
        DOMParseError xPError
      
       End If
   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml

   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
  
  ' Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
 ' Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("/bookstore/book/price")
   Set oNodeList = 
oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("/bookstore/book[price>20]/price")
     Debug.Print "Length = " & oNodeList.length
   i = 0
    For Each oNode In oNodeList
    i = i + 1
       Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text & " " & oNode.nodeName & "*"
      
        Select Case oNode.nodeName
            Case "price"
             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
                On Error Resume Next
                sTempValue = oNode.nodeName & CStr(i)
                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " price " & oNode.Text
                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
           
        End Select
     
      Next
    Set oNodeList = Nothing
    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:

  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)

End Function

inventory.xml

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="myfile.xsl" ?>
<bookstore specialty="novel">
  <book style="autobiography">
    <author>
      <first-name>Joe</first-name>
      <last-name>Bob</last-name>
      <award>Trenton Literary Review Honorable Mention</award>
    </author>
    <price>12</price>
  </book>
  <book style="textbook">
    <author>
      <first-name>Mary</first-name>
      <last-name>Bob</last-name>
      <publication>Selected Short Stories of
        <first-name>Mary</first-name>
        <last-name>Bob</last-name>
      </publication>
    </author>
    <editor>
      <first-name>Britney</first-name>
      <last-name>Bob</last-name>
    </editor>
    <price>55</price>
  </book>
  <magazine style="glossy" frequency="monthly">
    <price>2.50</price>
    <subscription price="24" per="year"/>
  </magazine>
  <book style="novel" id="myfave">
    <author>
      <first-name>Toni</first-name>
      <last-name>Bob</last-name>
      <degree from="Trenton U">B.A.</degree>
      <degree from="Harvard">Ph.D.</degree>
      <award>Pulitzer</award>
      <publication>Still in Trenton</publication>
      <publication>Trenton Forever</publication>
    </author>
    <price intl="Canada" exchange="0.7">6.50</price>
    <excerpt>
      <p>It was a dark and stormy night.</p>
      <p>But then all nights in Trenton seem dark and
      stormy to someone who has gone through what
      <emph>I</emph> have.</p>
      <definition-list>
        <term>Trenton</term>
        <definition>misery</definition>
      </definition-list>
    </excerpt>
  </book>
  <my:book xmlns:my="uri:mynamespace" style="leather" price="29.50">
    <my:title>Who's Who in Trenton</my:title>
    <my:author>Robert Bob</my:author>
  </my:book>
</bookstore>

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>
>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
>betweent the two do you think?
>
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
>VBA
>
>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>
> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>
>XQuery example
>
>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>
>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"
>
>
>XPath example
>
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>   Set oNodeList =
>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>
>Have a look at
>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>
>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>
>
>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>  
>
>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope 
>>someone can help with.
>>
>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of 
>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the 
>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>
>>Any short code snip will do.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Jim DeMarco
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 20:02:34 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:02:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
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	<1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
	<200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
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Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Dim mcolRate As Collection
Sub testxml()
  Set mcolRate = New Collection
'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
' via XPath

GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")

Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
End Sub
Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html

'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.

  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
    Dim Mydb As Database
    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
    Dim sTempValue As String
  
    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40

    oDOMDocument.async = False
    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors
    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
 
    'use if xml disk file
      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
        MsgBox ("XML File error")
             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
        DOMParseError xPError
      
       End If
   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml

   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
  
  ' Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
  Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
    
     Debug.Print oNodeList.length
  
    For Each oNode In oNodeList
 
      '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
      
        Select Case oNode.nodeName
            Case "currency"
                 sTempValue = oNode.Text
              
            Case "rate"
             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
                On Error Resume Next
                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
           
        End Select
     
      Next
    Set oNodeList = Nothing
    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:

  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)

End Function
Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)

    ' The document failed to load.
    Dim strErrText As String
    ' Obtain the ParseError object
    With xPE
    strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
        "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
        "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
        "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
        "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
        "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
        "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
        "Document URL: " & .url
    End With
    Debug.Print strErrText

  Dim s As String
  Dim r As String
  Dim i As Long
 
   s = ""
  For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
    s = s & " "
  Next
  r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
  Debug.Print r
    'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml file
  If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
    r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf & _
         xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
  End If
  Debug.Print r
    MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
End Sub


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>
>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
>betweent the two do you think?
>
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
>VBA
>
>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>
> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>
>XQuery example
>
>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>
>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"
>
>
>XPath example
>
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>   Set oNodeList =
>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>
>Have a look at
>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>
>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>
>
>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>  
>
>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope 
>>someone can help with.
>>
>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of 
>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the 
>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>
>>Any short code snip will do.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Jim DeMarco
>>    
>>
-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From viner at EUnet.yu  Fri Apr 20 01:42:21 2007
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:42:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk><1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com><200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net><0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com><46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca><0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<4628112A.6080702@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <017901c78317$1fa6f3b0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Marty,
when will be your MVP announcement?
Regards,
    Ervin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6


> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Dim mcolRate As Collection
> Sub testxml()
>  Set mcolRate = New Collection
> 'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
> ' via XPath
>
> GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
>
> Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
> MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
> End Sub
> Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
>  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html
>
> 'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
> 'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.
>
>  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
>    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
>    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
>    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
>    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
>    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
>    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
>     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
>    Dim Mydb As Database
>    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
>    Dim sTempValue As String
>
>    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>
>    oDOMDocument.async = False
>    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors
>    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
>    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
>
>    'use if xml disk file
>      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
>        MsgBox ("XML File error")
>             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
>        DOMParseError xPError
>
>       End If
>   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml
>
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>
>  ' Set oNodeList = 
> oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
>  Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
>
>     Debug.Print oNodeList.length
>
>    For Each oNode In oNodeList
>
>      '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
>
>        Select Case oNode.nodeName
>            Case "currency"
>                 sTempValue = oNode.Text
>
>            Case "rate"
>             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
>                On Error Resume Next
>                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
>                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
>                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
>                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>
>        End Select
>
>      Next
>    Set oNodeList = Nothing
>    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
>    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
>    Exit Function
>
> ErrorHandler:
>
>  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)
>
> End Function
> Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)
>
>    ' The document failed to load.
>    Dim strErrText As String
>    ' Obtain the ParseError object
>    With xPE
>    strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
>        "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
>        "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
>        "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
>        "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
>        "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
>        "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
>        "Document URL: " & .url
>    End With
>    Debug.Print strErrText
>
>  Dim s As String
>  Dim r As String
>  Dim i As Long
>
>   s = ""
>  For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
>    s = s & " "
>  Next
>  r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
>  Debug.Print r
>    'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml file
>  If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
>    r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf & _
>         xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
>  End If
>  Debug.Print r
>    MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
> End Sub
>
>
> Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>>
>>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
>>betweent the two do you think?
>>
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>>
>>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
>>VBA
>>
>>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>>
>> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
>>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>>
>>XQuery example
>>
>>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>>
>>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"
>>
>>
>>XPath example
>>
>>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>>   Set oNodeList =
>>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>>
>>Have a look at
>>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>>
>>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>>
>>
>>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>>
>>>Hello All,
>>>
>>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope
>>>someone can help with.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
>>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
>>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>>
>>>Any short code snip will do.
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>Jim DeMarco
>>>
>>>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
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>
>
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>
> 



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 20 05:14:30 2007
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:14:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Records From A Query
Message-ID: <18541384.2128831177064070874.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102>

To all,

Not quite sure how to put this but I have the following example result set from a query:
LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
ADDERRAYATKINSONJOHNCLEGG15/02/2007 10:30:14
ADDERRAYATKINSONANDREWNORRIDGE02/02/2007 12:01:29
ADDERRAYATKINSONIANNEWCOMBE05/12/2006 12:50:01
ADDERRAYATKINSONJIMMYWILSON30/09/2006 12:01:47
ADDERRAYATKINSONRICHARDMASKERY30/08/2006 12:53:11
ADDERRAYATKINSONBRIANTHOMAS23/07/2006 14:33:47
ADDERRAYATKINSONBRIANTHOMAS.12/05/2006 12:57:59
ALBANIATERRYJONESJOHNCLEGG20/09/2006 12:41:40
ALBANIATERRYJONESLYLEBARRAS20/09/2006 10:43:37
ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10

What I need to end up with is this:
Query1LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
ADDERRAYATKINSONJOHNCLEGG15/02/2007 10:30:14






ALBANIATERRYJONESJOHNCLEGG20/09/2006 12:41:40



i.e the maximum date....I am sure there has been a solution to this on here before, but I can seem to find it..

Thanks in advance for any help on this..

Paul Hartland


Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
07730 523179

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 20 05:25:36 2007
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:25:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Values Again - Sorry about last email
Message-ID: <14636301.8571177064736316.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,

Not quite sure how to put this but I have the following example result set from a query:
LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
ADDER RAYATKINSON ANDREWNORRIDGE 02/02/2007 12:01:29
ADDER RAYATKINSON IANNEWCOMBE 05/12/2006 12:50:01
ADDER RAYATKINSON JIMMYWILSON 30/09/2006 12:01:47
ADDER RAYATKINSON RICHARDMASKERY 30/08/2006 12:53:11
ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 23/07/2006 14:33:47
ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 12/05/2006 12:57:59
ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40
ALBANIA TERRYJONES LYLEBARRAS 20/09/2006 10:43:37
ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10

What I need to end up with is this:

ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40



i.e the maximum date....I am sure there has been a solution to this on here before, but I can seem to find it..

Thanks in advance for any help on this..



Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
07730 523179

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr 20 05:22:32 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:22:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT InfoPath
References: <18541384.2128831177064070874.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869BD@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Anyone any experience with Infopath.
 
I have an InfoPath form connecting to SQL Server 2005. I have the form working as I want it in that it does the insert to the back end. 
 
I want to add a new section to the form that dosnt get inserted but does return data in response to a parameter entered into a text box on the form. I do however want one text box value from this group to be inserted with the rest of the form. The idea is that a member of staff will enter a student number into the text box and this will populate the section with the personal details on the student. I want to add the student number inot the Insert.
 
The second part of the form is a call logger. That bit is done.
 
I am not (for those with experience) using a web service for this. I do intend to move the conenction to an EndPoint SQL Server 2005 web service once i understand how they work properly.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 05:44:26 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:44:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n
Message-ID: <s628b5c6.099@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Did you ever get a solution to this?
If not, look the archive:

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2003-May/006636.html 

/gustav

>>> fhtapia at gmail.com 17-04-2007 21:18 >>>
I know how to do this in Sql Server, but have been thinking it over on how
to do this via the QBE grid in Access...


The situation is there is a list like so

Bob  100
Bob  090
Bob  050
Bob  010
Bill   250
Bill   100
Bill   070
Bill   050
Jim   etc...


What is required, is that they want to be able to obtain the top 3 records
for each customer ie, Top 3 records sorted in descending order by the qty.

Thanks guys

-- 
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 05:49:27 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:49:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Values Again - Sorry about last	email
Message-ID: <s628b6f2.000@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Look here for a method that you should be able to tweak:

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2006-May/043938.html 

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 20-04-2007 12:25 >>>
To all,

Not quite sure how to put this but I have the following example result set from a query:
LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
ADDER RAYATKINSON ANDREWNORRIDGE 02/02/2007 12:01:29
ADDER RAYATKINSON IANNEWCOMBE 05/12/2006 12:50:01
ADDER RAYATKINSON JIMMYWILSON 30/09/2006 12:01:47
ADDER RAYATKINSON RICHARDMASKERY 30/08/2006 12:53:11
ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 23/07/2006 14:33:47
ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 12/05/2006 12:57:59
ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40
ALBANIA TERRYJONES LYLEBARRAS 20/09/2006 10:43:37
ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10

What I need to end up with is this:

ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40



i.e the maximum date....I am sure there has been a solution to this on here before, but I can seem to find it..

Thanks in advance for any help on this..



Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at fsmail.net 
07730 523179





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 07:05:35 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:05:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
Message-ID: <s628c8cc.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Thanks! Great example.
Seems to work fine even with XML 3.0.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 20-04-2007 03:02 >>>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Dim mcolRate As Collection
Sub testxml()
  Set mcolRate = New Collection
'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
' via XPath

GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")

Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
End Sub
Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html

'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.

  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
    Dim Mydb As Database
    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
    Dim sTempValue As String
  
    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40

    oDOMDocument.async = False
    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors
    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
 
    'use if xml disk file
      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
        MsgBox ("XML File error")
             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
        DOMParseError xPError
      
       End If
   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml

   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
  
  ' Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
  Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
    
     Debug.Print oNodeList.length
  
    For Each oNode In oNodeList
 
      '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
      
        Select Case oNode.nodeName
            Case "currency"
                 sTempValue = oNode.Text
              
            Case "rate"
             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
                On Error Resume Next
                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
           
        End Select
     
      Next
    Set oNodeList = Nothing
    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:

  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)

End Function
Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)

    ' The document failed to load.
    Dim strErrText As String
    ' Obtain the ParseError object
    With xPE
    strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
        "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
        "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
        "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
        "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
        "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
        "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
        "Document URL: " & .url
    End With
    Debug.Print strErrText

  Dim s As String
  Dim r As String
  Dim i As Long
 
   s = ""
  For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
    s = s & " "
  Next
  r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
  Debug.Print r
    'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml file
  If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
    r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf & _
         xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
  End If
  Debug.Print r
    MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
End Sub





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 07:16:12 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:16:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to	MySQL table
Message-ID: <s628cb45.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

No, but if I do so, error 80040e23 is raised ... about a row that is deleted or is waiting to be deleted.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 19-04-2007 19:29 >>>
Are you sure it shouldn't be adUseServer?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL
table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB
provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are
appended as expected.

/gustav




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 08:14:18 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:14:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] System Won't Recognize .exe
Message-ID: <003301c7834d$cde55df0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List(s):
 
I sent a setup.exe file created by Wise to my distributor in Taiwan.  On her
system it does no seem to want to execute the file but gives her the dialog
box asking for the program to open this type of file.  It is treating the
exe file like a file without an association.  
 
Has anyone ever seen this and know what to do about it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 08:22:47 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:22:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to	MySQL table
Message-ID: <s628dae3.011@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Tried that, but no trace at all. The OLE DB provider seems to bypass the ODBC driver.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 19-04-2007 19:47 >>>
Could be cursor type or location.
Try running an ODBC trace log works for other DB's too.
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myodbc-configuration-trace.html 
or look through here
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myodbc-connector.html 

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
>Any ideas why?
>
>  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
>  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
>  
>  Dim lngRow  As Long
>   
>  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
>  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
>
>  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
>  cnn.Open
>  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient
>
>  With rst
>    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
>    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
>      .AddNew
>        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
>      .Update
>    Next
>    .Close
>  End With
>  
>  Set rst = Nothing
>  Set cnn = Nothing
>  
>End Function
>
>If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended as expected.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 09:02:57 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:02:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to	MySQL table
Message-ID: <s628e44c.013@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Sorry, I forgot to mention that this provider is non-MySQL stuff. It is for download here:

  http://luggle.com/~sean

I better address my question to the author ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-04-2007 21:35 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I did not know there were OLE DB drivers for MySQL that would run through
Access... only ODBC drivers. There are a number of .Net examples but I do
not believe they are cross-compatible. This may not be the case as I was
working with such a configuration but it was about 4 or 5 years ago and
things should have progressed since then.

I have seen a configuration example... not tried. It shows "Provider=MySQL
Provider" code looking like "Provider=MySQLProv".

Below is a list of links to the latest software pieces:

1. MySQL - latest version from http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
2. MySQLODBC (reqd for Access to MySQL) - http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
3. MyOLEDB - http://www.mysql.com/downloads (should be MySQLProv.2.5)
4. WinMySQLAdmin - http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
5. Access To MySQL -
http://www.mysql.com/downloads/win32/myaccess2000_1_4.zip 
 
HTH

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider,
nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended
as expected.

/gustav





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 09:48:44 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:48:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
Message-ID: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>

My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
"extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
programmed parser).
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Apr 20 10:05:49 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:05:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <001801c7835d$622fb780$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

To do this manually, you can right-click on the data area, then select
'Export to Excel' in the menu list.

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page

My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
"extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
programmed parser).
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From rlavsa at tigg.com  Fri Apr 20 10:10:06 2007
From: rlavsa at tigg.com (Richard Lavsa)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:10:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F44A0E447535764DB9447CED518D0C7E9EA55E@tiggsbs1.tiggpittsburgh1.local>

Just to do it quick and dirty I've done the following..
I've had some luck doing this via the simple highlight what you want to
copy, then Copy and then Paste directly into Excel.

I've also had to depending on how it was formatted highlight, then copy
and past into Word then convert the text into a table... 

Like I said.. Quick and dirty.. But it works most of the time.. 

Rich

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page

My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
"extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
programmed parser).
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr 20 10:18:53 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:18:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
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And if you do it this way you need to do a Paste Special and then specify
Text. Otherwise the data is all in one cell...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Richard Lavsa
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page

Just to do it quick and dirty I've done the following..
I've had some luck doing this via the simple highlight what you want to
copy, then Copy and then Paste directly into Excel.

I've also had to depending on how it was formatted highlight, then copy and
past into Word then convert the text into a table... 

Like I said.. Quick and dirty.. But it works most of the time.. 

Rich

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page

My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
"extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
programmed parser).
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 10:36:18 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:36:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n
In-Reply-To: <s628b5c6.099@cactus.dk>
References: <s628b5c6.099@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a0704200836w5ff41e53r486ec71fd7eba42@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,
  It was actually pretty simple, I received this from another colleague

SELECT CustomerID, OrderDate
FROM Orders
WHERE OrderID In (SELECT TOP 3 OrderID FROM Orders O WHERE O.CustomerID =
Orders.CustomerID ORDER BY OrderDate Desc)
ORDER BY CustomerID, OrderDate DESC;

which actually does what I needed.

--
Francisco

On 4/20/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Francisco
>
> Did you ever get a solution to this?
> If not, look the archive:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2003-May/006636.html
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> fhtapia at gmail.com 17-04-2007 21:18 >>>
> I know how to do this in Sql Server, but have been thinking it over on how
> to do this via the QBE grid in Access...
>
>
> The situation is there is a list like so
>
> Bob  100
> Bob  090
> Bob  050
> Bob  010
> Bill   250
> Bill   100
> Bill   070
> Bill   050
> Jim   etc...
>
>
> What is required, is that they want to be able to obtain the top 3 records
> for each customer ie, Top 3 records sorted in descending order by the qty.
>
> Thanks guys
>
> --
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 10:47:23 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:47:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0704200836w5ff41e53r486ec71fd7eba42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s628b5c6.099@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a0704200836w5ff41e53r486ec71fd7eba42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c78363$30ed5690$657aa8c0@m6805>

Yes, I ran into this as well and it is the select query in the IN() clause
that is the key.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n

Gustav,
  It was actually pretty simple, I received this from another colleague

SELECT CustomerID, OrderDate
FROM Orders
WHERE OrderID In (SELECT TOP 3 OrderID FROM Orders O WHERE O.CustomerID =
Orders.CustomerID ORDER BY OrderDate Desc) ORDER BY CustomerID, OrderDate
DESC;

which actually does what I needed.

--
Francisco

On 4/20/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Francisco
>
> Did you ever get a solution to this?
> If not, look the archive:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2003-May/006636.html
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> fhtapia at gmail.com 17-04-2007 21:18 >>>
> I know how to do this in Sql Server, but have been thinking it over on 
> how to do this via the QBE grid in Access...
>
>
> The situation is there is a list like so
>
> Bob  100
> Bob  090
> Bob  050
> Bob  010
> Bill   250
> Bill   100
> Bill   070
> Bill   050
> Jim   etc...
>
>
> What is required, is that they want to be able to obtain the top 3 
> records for each customer ie, Top 3 records sorted in descending order by
the qty.
>
> Thanks guys
>
> --
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 11:17:37 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:17:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Currency statistics (was: XQuery in VB 6)
Message-ID: <s62903e2.018@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty et al

Oh my, did that URL to the site of the European Cental Bank point to a wealth of statistics from the "Statistical Data Warehouse":

  http://sdw.ecb.int/browse.do?currentNodeId=2018779

Note that everything can be exported to XML so also if you need some real sample data, this is an excellent source.
Also, the speed of that site is amazing. 

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 20-04-2007 03:02 >>>

  http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html 





From CFraase at officeimagesinc.com  Fri Apr 20 11:40:24 2007
From: CFraase at officeimagesinc.com (Cindy Fraase)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:40:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
In-Reply-To: <200702042226.l14MQdO04505@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200702042226.l14MQdO04505@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <C73FDD408D9C0945B0CD235A8BE8E70F016A776B@SVRMAIN.officeimagesinc.com>

Hi all,
I'm really mystified as to what is happening. The following line of code
works fine on my machine, but fails with this error on another. Both
machines are running Access 2003 and all of the references match. The
database is in Access 2002-3 format. It's located on the server, so I'm
running exactly the same database as he is.

I've created an Excel sheet via automation and am filling it with data
here.

The line is: 

objSheet2.Range("A2").CopyFromRecordset rsSalary

The error message I get is:
 430 Class does not support Automation or does not support expected
interface.

Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Cindy
 
 
 
Cynthia Fraase
Asst. Controller
Direct: 678-325-3251
Cell:     770-318-0628
Fax:     770-641-2656
 
www.officeimagesinc.com
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Determining Background colour of the
desktop

Stuart

Work of genius - well done and thanks

Darren
------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Friday, 2 February 2007 9:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Determining Background colour of the
desktop

On 2 Feb 2007 at 8:47, Darren DICK wrote:

> Does anyone know how to determine the background colour of the
desktop?
> 
> I have a form I want to set its background colour to match

Look up "System Color Constants" in VBA Help (remember to omit the "u"
<g>)

Specifically "vbDesktop 0x80000001 Desktop color "

So set the Detail Backcolor property to  &H80000001 or to -2147483647


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Apr 20 11:47:34 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:47:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
References: <200702042226.l14MQdO04505@databaseadvisors.com>
	<C73FDD408D9C0945B0CD235A8BE8E70F016A776B@SVRMAIN.officeimagesinc.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>

The problem may be that Access keeps putting your
references out of order. You'd need to make sure that
DAO36 is ahead of ADO##

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Fraase" <CFraase at officeimagesinc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem


> Hi all,
> I'm really mystified as to what is happening. The following line of code
> works fine on my machine, but fails with this error on another. Both
> machines are running Access 2003 and all of the references match. The
> database is in Access 2002-3 format. It's located on the server, so I'm
> running exactly the same database as he is.
>
> I've created an Excel sheet via automation and am filling it with data
> here.
>
> The line is:
>
> objSheet2.Range("A2").CopyFromRecordset rsSalary
>
> The error message I get is:
> 430 Class does not support Automation or does not support expected
> interface.
>
> Any insights would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Cindy
>
>
>
> Cynthia Fraase
> Asst. Controller
> Direct: 678-325-3251
> Cell:     770-318-0628
> Fax:     770-641-2656
>
> www.officeimagesinc.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 11:54:55 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:54:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
Message-ID: <s6290c92.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Cindy

It could be an MDAC versions mis-match:

http://search.msdn.microsoft.com/search/Default.aspx?brand=msdn&locale=en-us&query=430+Class+does+not+support+Automation+or+does+not+support+expected

/gustav

>>> CFraase at officeimagesinc.com 20-04-2007 18:40 >>>
Hi all,
I'm really mystified as to what is happening. The following line of code
works fine on my machine, but fails with this error on another. Both
machines are running Access 2003 and all of the references match. The
database is in Access 2002-3 format. It's located on the server, so I'm
running exactly the same database as he is.

I've created an Excel sheet via automation and am filling it with data
here.

The line is: 

objSheet2.Range("A2").CopyFromRecordset rsSalary

The error message I get is:
 430 Class does not support Automation or does not support expected
interface.

Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Cindy





From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Fri Apr 20 12:06:56 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:06:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Joining tables from two different dbs
In-Reply-To: <00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>
References: <200702042226.l14MQdO04505@databaseadvisors.com><C73FDD408D9C0945B0CD235A8BE8E70F016A776B@SVRMAIN.officeimagesinc.com>
	<00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <009601c7836e$4e170080$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi:

I have the following code to create a recordset from a dbase file:

 Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset

    Set cn = New ADODB.Connection
    Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

    cn.Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"

    cn.ConnectionString = "Data Source=C:\DBASE Path;Extended
Properties=dBASE IV;"
    cn.Open

    Set rs = cn.Execute("SELECT Production FROM dbaseTABLE where
Production=133745 group by Production", , adLockReadOnly) 


 cn.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set cn = Nothing


This works fine, connects to and reads the dBase table fine. However, I'd
like to do a join to detect unmatched records in the dBase table. In this
case, I'd be joining a local Access table to the dBase table ... Is this
possible to do? 

Thanks in advance.



Larry Mrazek

LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645




From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 20 12:22:53 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:22:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
In-Reply-To: <00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F163E66438E0F6204BA6F72D2560@phx.gbl>

This is the error very similar to when you have DAO36 selected but DAO3.51 
is not on the machine at all.  I have found that downloading 
DAO350.dll...registering it...and everything is fixed.

Learned this after chasing down the error on 1 of 2 identical(so I thought) 
machines.  The offending machine did not have 3.51 on it...I didn't have it 
checked in references...so I never looked to see if it was there.  After 
putting it on the machine/registering...the error went away.

There is a reference to it on MS site...but no explanation as to why it 
causes these errors, sometimes.

Good Luck,

Mark A. Matte




>From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:47:34 -0400
>
>The problem may be that Access keeps putting your
>references out of order. You'd need to make sure that
>DAO36 is ahead of ADO##
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>MapPoint & Access Dev
>www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cindy Fraase" <CFraase at officeimagesinc.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:40 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > I'm really mystified as to what is happening. The following line of code
> > works fine on my machine, but fails with this error on another. Both
> > machines are running Access 2003 and all of the references match. The
> > database is in Access 2002-3 format. It's located on the server, so I'm
> > running exactly the same database as he is.
> >
> > I've created an Excel sheet via automation and am filling it with data
> > here.
> >
> > The line is:
> >
> > objSheet2.Range("A2").CopyFromRecordset rsSalary
> >
> > The error message I get is:
> > 430 Class does not support Automation or does not support expected
> > interface.
> >
> > Any insights would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > Cynthia Fraase
> > Asst. Controller
> > Direct: 678-325-3251
> > Cell:     770-318-0628
> > Fax:     770-641-2656
> >
> > www.officeimagesinc.com
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 20 12:30:34 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:30:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Values Again - Sorry about last email
In-Reply-To: <14636301.8571177064736316.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F1F9F77A06A917B88800AFD2560@phx.gbl>

In looking at the set of data...all of the records seem to be in the same 
format except  the last:
">ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10"

There are no spaces like the other records.  If all of the records were in 
the same format...and it was impossible for the same machine to have the 
exact 2 date/times the same...you could strip out the machine name and the 
date...get max of date...and join back to the table to get the full name.

Good Luck,

Mark A. MAtte


>From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Values Again - Sorry about last email
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:25:36 +0200 (CEST)
>
>To all,
>
>Not quite sure how to put this but I have the following example result set 
>from a query:
>LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
>ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
>ADDER RAYATKINSON ANDREWNORRIDGE 02/02/2007 12:01:29
>ADDER RAYATKINSON IANNEWCOMBE 05/12/2006 12:50:01
>ADDER RAYATKINSON JIMMYWILSON 30/09/2006 12:01:47
>ADDER RAYATKINSON RICHARDMASKERY 30/08/2006 12:53:11
>ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 23/07/2006 14:33:47
>ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 12/05/2006 12:57:59
>ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40
>ALBANIA TERRYJONES LYLEBARRAS 20/09/2006 10:43:37
>ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10
>
>What I need to end up with is this:
>
>ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
>ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40
>
>
>
>i.e the maximum date....I am sure there has been a solution to this on here 
>before, but I can seem to find it..
>
>Thanks in advance for any help on this..
>
>
>
>Paul Hartland
>paul.hartland at fsmail.net
>07730 523179
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From CFraase at officeimagesinc.com  Fri Apr 20 13:16:58 2007
From: CFraase at officeimagesinc.com (Cindy Fraase)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:16:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F163E66438E0F6204BA6F72D2560@phx.gbl>
References: <00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>
	<BAY127-F163E66438E0F6204BA6F72D2560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C73FDD408D9C0945B0CD235A8BE8E70F016A778D@SVRMAIN.officeimagesinc.com>

Thanks to everyone who answered! I'll let you all know if your
suggestions work. Unfortunately, I have to wait for access to that
machine to try them. I hope the reference order works - that's an easy
fix!

 
 
 
Cynthia Fraase
Asst. Controller
Direct: 678-325-3251
Cell:     770-318-0628
Fax:     770-641-2656
 
www.officeimagesinc.com
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem

This is the error very similar to when you have DAO36 selected but
DAO3.51 
is not on the machine at all.  I have found that downloading 
DAO350.dll...registering it...and everything is fixed.

Learned this after chasing down the error on 1 of 2 identical(so I
thought) 
machines.  The offending machine did not have 3.51 on it...I didn't have
it 
checked in references...so I never looked to see if it was there.  After

putting it on the machine/registering...the error went away.

There is a reference to it on MS site...but no explanation as to why it 
causes these errors, sometimes.

Good Luck,

Mark A. Matte







From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 14:43:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:43:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net
Message-ID: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>

Guys,
 
I am looking for a learning experience here.  Using the import wizard in SQL
Server 2005 I created a .dtsx file, and successfully imported the first of
about 60 files using that from right inside of SQL Server's import wizard.
It asks if you want to save at the very end which I did, and which created
the aforementioned .dtsx file.  Unfortunately that wizard does not allow you
to use that file for another file.  Even more unfortunately, the files in
question are fixed width, and thus have no field info in the first line etc.
Thus to use the wizard, I would have to respecify the names and widths of
all 150 fields each and every time.  
 
Therefore... I am attempting to use the dtsx file in .Net to do the import.
If I "open" that file, Visual studio is selected as the file to do the
opening, and if I do so it opens and shows me a tabbed object.  The first
tab is a control flow, the next is a data flow, event handlers and package
explorer.
 
I can actually execute the entire thing from inside of Visual studio and
imports that first file, creates the table, with the field names and field
widths etc.  Unfortunately, for some reason NVarChar was selected as the
default when I created this thing back in SQL Server.  I managed to change
the table inside of SQL Server to just use VarChar.  It was a few days ago
and I don't really remember how.  I do remember that the wizards that allow
you to manipulate the table / field definitions very helpfully try and
change the length from whatever value you currently have back to 50 if you
change the data type from NVarChar to VarChar.  Sometimes I think the world
is just one big IDIOT MASS.  
 
Be that as it may, (back in Visual Studio) if I click on the data flow tab,
it shows the source as the original file.  First task is to change that to
the name of the second file to be processed.  If I click on the "source
connection flat file" object in that tab down below the main screen, there
is a connection string property which I can change to the next file name.  
 
The next issue now is that the data conversion object is pulling data out of
an XML file which stubbornly insists that the destination data is NVarChar -
with the correct field lengths.  If I open the wizard, I can indeed edit
this to change the datatype, but it insists on helpfully changing the field
length from the correct values (carefully entered already) back to the
standard 50.  Sometimes I am absolutely CERTAIN that the entire world is one
big IDIOT MASS.
 
So here I am, trying to edit the data conversion object for 150 fields to
change from NVarChar to VarChar, where with each field change the very
helpful wizard insists on changing my field length back to 50.  Sigh.
Idiots, all of them.  If I can get this edit done I believe I can use this
thing to import the other 60 or so files.
 
So am I stuck with doing this all over again?  Is there even one microscopic
particle of grey brain matter anywhere in the Microsoft campus?  Is it just
me and the rest of the world WANTS their carefully entered field lengths
changed back to 50 if they need to change from NvarChar to VarChar (and if
so why)?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr 20 17:50:15 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:50:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <462943A7.21898.57F9DEA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try copying it then open Excel and  "Paste Special - Text"   followed by a 
"Data-Text to Columns".

On 20 Apr 2007 at 10:48, JWColby wrote:

> My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
> AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
> "extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
> programmed parser).
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Apr 20 22:00:54 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:00:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...no question at all JC, its just you ...hth :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>; 
"'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net


> Guys,
>
> I am looking for a learning experience here.  Using the import wizard in 
> SQL
> Server 2005 I created a .dtsx file, and successfully imported the first of
> about 60 files using that from right inside of SQL Server's import wizard.
> It asks if you want to save at the very end which I did, and which created
> the aforementioned .dtsx file.  Unfortunately that wizard does not allow 
> you
> to use that file for another file.  Even more unfortunately, the files in
> question are fixed width, and thus have no field info in the first line 
> etc.
> Thus to use the wizard, I would have to respecify the names and widths of
> all 150 fields each and every time.
>
> Therefore... I am attempting to use the dtsx file in .Net to do the 
> import.
> If I "open" that file, Visual studio is selected as the file to do the
> opening, and if I do so it opens and shows me a tabbed object.  The first
> tab is a control flow, the next is a data flow, event handlers and package
> explorer.
>
> I can actually execute the entire thing from inside of Visual studio and
> imports that first file, creates the table, with the field names and field
> widths etc.  Unfortunately, for some reason NVarChar was selected as the
> default when I created this thing back in SQL Server.  I managed to change
> the table inside of SQL Server to just use VarChar.  It was a few days ago
> and I don't really remember how.  I do remember that the wizards that 
> allow
> you to manipulate the table / field definitions very helpfully try and
> change the length from whatever value you currently have back to 50 if you
> change the data type from NVarChar to VarChar.  Sometimes I think the 
> world
> is just one big IDIOT MASS.
>
> Be that as it may, (back in Visual Studio) if I click on the data flow 
> tab,
> it shows the source as the original file.  First task is to change that to
> the name of the second file to be processed.  If I click on the "source
> connection flat file" object in that tab down below the main screen, there
> is a connection string property which I can change to the next file name.
>
> The next issue now is that the data conversion object is pulling data out 
> of
> an XML file which stubbornly insists that the destination data is 
> NVarChar -
> with the correct field lengths.  If I open the wizard, I can indeed edit
> this to change the datatype, but it insists on helpfully changing the 
> field
> length from the correct values (carefully entered already) back to the
> standard 50.  Sometimes I am absolutely CERTAIN that the entire world is 
> one
> big IDIOT MASS.
>
> So here I am, trying to edit the data conversion object for 150 fields to
> change from NVarChar to VarChar, where with each field change the very
> helpful wizard insists on changing my field length back to 50.  Sigh.
> Idiots, all of them.  If I can get this edit done I believe I can use this
> thing to import the other 60 or so files.
>
> So am I stuck with doing this all over again?  Is there even one 
> microscopic
> particle of grey brain matter anywhere in the Microsoft campus?  Is it 
> just
> me and the rest of the world WANTS their carefully entered field lengths
> changed back to 50 if they need to change from NvarChar to VarChar (and if
> so why)?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 22:18:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:18:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>

ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.

I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.

On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part of the
Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net to make
your application more responsive to the user".  It is really cool, but as it
turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was looking for - a
directory watcher which is a com object that can be used from VB6.  Now to
be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this might also be usable from
VBA.  It is a referencable object that sources events, and may allow me to
do directory watching from inside of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer
on a form.  How cool would that be?

VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I have
to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I absolutely
do understand everything they are talking about in this demo, I just don't
understand all the syntax (couldn't write it myself).  It is so strange
though, just today I was looking for code to "watch a directory for files"
and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free copy
of Visual Studio 2005.

So much to learn, so little time.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net

...no question at all JC, its just you ...hth :)

William Hindman



From bheid at sc.rr.com  Sat Apr 21 08:26:44 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:26:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <001e01c78418$b4cace60$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

>From my understanding, you should be able to use .Net stuff from VBA just as
you would from VB6.  I think there was an MSDN magazine article about this.
I'll see what I can find.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.

I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.

On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part of the
Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net to make
your application more responsive to the user".  It is really cool, but as it
turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was looking for - a
directory watcher which is a com object that can be used from VB6.  Now to
be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this might also be usable from
VBA.  It is a referencable object that sources events, and may allow me to
do directory watching from inside of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer
on a form.  How cool would that be?

VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I have
to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I absolutely
do understand everything they are talking about in this demo, I just don't
understand all the syntax (couldn't write it myself).  It is so strange
though, just today I was looking for code to "watch a directory for files"
and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free copy
of Visual Studio 2005.

So much to learn, so little time.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net

...no question at all JC, its just you ...hth :)

William Hindman

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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Sat Apr 21 09:14:29 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:14:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <001e01c78418$b4cace60$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<001e01c78418$b4cace60$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <002301c7841f$60988790$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

John,

Here's one link (not MSDN Mag though) for calling .Net from VBA:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa140276(office.10).aspx

And here's one going the other way:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa159913(office.11).aspx 

And that was a neat labcast.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

>From my understanding, you should be able to use .Net stuff from VBA just
as
you would from VB6.  I think there was an MSDN magazine article about this.
I'll see what I can find.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.

I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.

On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part of the
Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net to make
your application more responsive to the user".  It is really cool, but as it
turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was looking for - a
directory watcher which is a com object that can be used from VB6.  Now to
be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this might also be usable from
VBA.  It is a referencable object that sources events, and may allow me to
do directory watching from inside of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer
on a form.  How cool would that be?

VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I have
to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I absolutely
do understand everything they are talking about in this demo, I just don't
understand all the syntax (couldn't write it myself).  It is so strange
though, just today I was looking for code to "watch a directory for files"
and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free copy
of Visual Studio 2005.

So much to learn, so little time.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net

...no question at all JC, its just you ...hth :)

William Hindman

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 21 12:31:17 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:31:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>

You could use these Visual Basic 6.0  File API Routines
in VBA     FindFirstChangeNotification:
Randy Birch does a good job on error checking

Might have to run in a hidden form

   Create a 'Watched' Folder

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/watchedfolder.htm


JWColby wrote:

>ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.
>
>I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.
>
>On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part of the
>Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net to make
>your application more responsive to the user".  It is really cool, but as it
>turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was looking for - a
>directory watcher which is a com object that can be used from VB6.  Now to
>be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this might also be usable from
>VBA.  It is a referencable object that sources events, and may allow me to
>do directory watching from inside of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer
>on a form.  How cool would that be?
>
>VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I have
>to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I absolutely
>do understand everything they are talking about in this demo, I just don't
>understand all the syntax (couldn't write it myself).  It is so strange
>though, just today I was looking for code to "watch a directory for files"
>and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free copy
>of Visual Studio 2005.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 14:37:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:37:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805>

Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
can only monitor one directory, and apparently that it can pretty much do
nothing else.  The reason is that VBA is single threaded, and this code is a
tight loop with a DoEvents to allow the appearance of normalcy.  However it
really doesn't allow anything else to function.  I tried to make this a
class so that I could then do two (or more) instances.  The first instance
starts up but the second instance is not allowed to instantiate, with a "the
macro or validation rule prevents..." error thrown in the event of the text
box that tries to set up the second instance.  In essence it appears that
this would work just fine in limited situations where you just want an
application to monitor a directory, do something specific, then go right
back to the monitor loop, however it may completely prevent a broader
application from functioning after the loop is started.

One of the things I am trying to do is to start slowly doing some VB.Net
development.  I have a handful of things that really don't "fit" Access as a
development tool, e.g. running things as services.  I am also doing a lot
more stuff directly out in SQL Server 2005, and I want the ability to run a
powerful programming language that more directly talks to SQL Server, and
also does not require a copy of Access installed in order to operate.
VB.Net will give me that if I can ever get it figured out (I just need the
TIME!).  

The .Net code basically listens for EVENTS from a DotNet DiskWatcher object.
I haven't gotten so far as to determine whether when wrapped as a COM object
it can be used more than once from inside of Access.  The Web Seminar left
out the critical (written) instructions for compiling and registering the
com object, though the instructions are in the video, so I am headed back to
watch that portion of the video again.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

You could use these Visual Basic 6.0  File API Routines
in VBA     FindFirstChangeNotification:
Randy Birch does a good job on error checking

Might have to run in a hidden form

   Create a 'Watched' Folder

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/watchedfolder.htm


JWColby wrote:

>ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.
>
>I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.
>
>On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part 
>of the Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net 
>to make your application more responsive to the user".  It is really 
>cool, but as it turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was 
>looking for - a directory watcher which is a com object that can be 
>used from VB6.  Now to be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this 
>might also be usable from VBA.  It is a referencable object that 
>sources events, and may allow me to do directory watching from inside 
>of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer on a form.  How cool would that
be?
>
>VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I 
>have to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I 
>absolutely do understand everything they are talking about in this 
>demo, I just don't understand all the syntax (couldn't write it 
>myself).  It is so strange though, just today I was looking for code to
"watch a directory for files"
>and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free 
>copy of Visual Studio 2005.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>  
>

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 15:19:03 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:19:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in
	.Net
In-Reply-To: <003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805><462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>
	<003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Just an FYI, the dirwatcher com object from the webcast apparently can be
used "simultaneously" from Access.  I created a form with two text controls.
Each text control creates an instance of the referenced com object and
passes in whatever you type in as a directory.  If you pass in an invalid
dir name it errors, else it watches.  I then created two empty directories
and tested by creating new text files in each directory.  The correct events
fired and I was notified of the appearance of a file (and it's name) in the
correct watched directory.  

And of course this does require a completely external "watcher widget" which
has to be registered etc., at least for use in Access.

WARNING... The COM object DELETES the file behind itself so it is NOT
appropriate for use "as is", nor did I expect it to be, but it does function
inside of VBA and it can do so multi-instanced.

The following is the code in the test form that I created:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Dim WithEvents fDirWatcher1 As DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
Dim WithEvents fDirWatcher2 As DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher

Private Sub fDirWatcher1_ProcessingFile(ByVal FileName As String)
    MsgBox "Watcher 1 fired: " & FileName
End Sub

Private Sub fDirWatcher2_ProcessingFile(ByVal FileName As String)
    MsgBox "watcher 2 fired: " & FileName
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Close()
    Set fDirWatcher1 = Nothing
    Set fDirWatcher2 = Nothing
End Sub

Private Sub Text0_AfterUpdate()
    Set fDirWatcher1 = New DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
    fDirWatcher1.Init Text0.Value
End Sub

Private Sub Text2_AfterUpdate()
    Set fDirWatcher2 = New DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
    fDirWatcher2.Init Text2.Value
End Sub

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
can only monitor one directory, and apparently that it can pretty much do
nothing else.  The reason is that VBA is single threaded, and this code is a
tight loop with a DoEvents to allow the appearance of normalcy.  However it
really doesn't allow anything else to function.  I tried to make this a
class so that I could then do two (or more) instances.  The first instance
starts up but the second instance is not allowed to instantiate, with a "the
macro or validation rule prevents..." error thrown in the event of the text
box that tries to set up the second instance.  In essence it appears that
this would work just fine in limited situations where you just want an
application to monitor a directory, do something specific, then go right
back to the monitor loop, however it may completely prevent a broader
application from functioning after the loop is started.

One of the things I am trying to do is to start slowly doing some VB.Net
development.  I have a handful of things that really don't "fit" Access as a
development tool, e.g. running things as services.  I am also doing a lot
more stuff directly out in SQL Server 2005, and I want the ability to run a
powerful programming language that more directly talks to SQL Server, and
also does not require a copy of Access installed in order to operate.
VB.Net will give me that if I can ever get it figured out (I just need the
TIME!).  

The .Net code basically listens for EVENTS from a DotNet DiskWatcher object.
I haven't gotten so far as to determine whether when wrapped as a COM object
it can be used more than once from inside of Access.  The Web Seminar left
out the critical (written) instructions for compiling and registering the
com object, though the instructions are in the video, so I am headed back to
watch that portion of the video again.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 21 17:52:20 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:52:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
 dtsx in	.Net
In-Reply-To: <003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805> <462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>
	<003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca>

Just wondering, if you used this method to register the com class dll.
It uses regasm and gacutil to remove any previously named dll
and reinstalls in the registry.
See :
http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/Interop/Building_Samples_COM2NET.aspx

the install batch file looks like this for your dll FX20Wrapper.dll

regasm 
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\system.windows.forms.dll"

gacutil -u FX20Wrapper
regasm /u "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

regasm /tlb "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"
gacutil -i "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

To use Access set a reference to the tlb file that will be in a
directory like below depending on where you installed the project.
\VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.tlb

The tlb will allow Access to see the class definitions and do a compile.

JWColby wrote:

>Just an FYI, the dirwatcher com object from the webcast apparently can be
>used "simultaneously" from Access.  I created a form with two text controls.
>Each text control creates an instance of the referenced com object and
>passes in whatever you type in as a directory.  If you pass in an invalid
>dir name it errors, else it watches.  I then created two empty directories
>and tested by creating new text files in each directory.  The correct events
>fired and I was notified of the appearance of a file (and it's name) in the
>correct watched directory.  
>
>And of course this does require a completely external "watcher widget" which
>has to be registered etc., at least for use in Access.
>
>WARNING... The COM object DELETES the file behind itself so it is NOT
>appropriate for use "as is", nor did I expect it to be, but it does function
>inside of VBA and it can do so multi-instanced.
>
>The following is the code in the test form that I created:
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>Dim WithEvents fDirWatcher1 As DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
>Dim WithEvents fDirWatcher2 As DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
>
>Private Sub fDirWatcher1_ProcessingFile(ByVal FileName As String)
>    MsgBox "Watcher 1 fired: " & FileName
>End Sub
>
>Private Sub fDirWatcher2_ProcessingFile(ByVal FileName As String)
>    MsgBox "watcher 2 fired: " & FileName
>End Sub
>
>Private Sub Form_Close()
>    Set fDirWatcher1 = Nothing
>    Set fDirWatcher2 = Nothing
>End Sub
>
>Private Sub Text0_AfterUpdate()
>    Set fDirWatcher1 = New DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
>    fDirWatcher1.Init Text0.Value
>End Sub
>
>Private Sub Text2_AfterUpdate()
>    Set fDirWatcher2 = New DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
>    fDirWatcher2.Init Text2.Value
>End Sub
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:38 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net
>
>Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
>function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
>can only monitor one directory, and apparently that it can pretty much do
>nothing else.  The reason is that VBA is single threaded, and this code is a
>tight loop with a DoEvents to allow the appearance of normalcy.  However it
>really doesn't allow anything else to function.  I tried to make this a
>class so that I could then do two (or more) instances.  The first instance
>starts up but the second instance is not allowed to instantiate, with a "the
>macro or validation rule prevents..." error thrown in the event of the text
>box that tries to set up the second instance.  In essence it appears that
>this would work just fine in limited situations where you just want an
>application to monitor a directory, do something specific, then go right
>back to the monitor loop, however it may completely prevent a broader
>application from functioning after the loop is started.
>
>One of the things I am trying to do is to start slowly doing some VB.Net
>development.  I have a handful of things that really don't "fit" Access as a
>development tool, e.g. running things as services.  I am also doing a lot
>more stuff directly out in SQL Server 2005, and I want the ability to run a
>powerful programming language that more directly talks to SQL Server, and
>also does not require a copy of Access installed in order to operate.
>VB.Net will give me that if I can ever get it figured out (I just need the
>TIME!).  
>
>The .Net code basically listens for EVENTS from a DotNet DiskWatcher object.
>I haven't gotten so far as to determine whether when wrapped as a COM object
>it can be used more than once from inside of Access.  The Web Seminar left
>out the critical (written) instructions for compiling and registering the
>com object, though the instructions are in the video, so I am headed back to
>watch that portion of the video again.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 18:22:36 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:22:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
	dtsx in	.Net
In-Reply-To: <462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
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Marty,

I didn't have to do a register on this machine since it was the one that I
created the VB.Net project on and the simple act of building it caused it to
be registered.  I will certainly look at that stuff if I need to do this on
another machine (actually use this thing).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
dtsx in .Net

Just wondering, if you used this method to register the com class dll.
It uses regasm and gacutil to remove any previously named dll and reinstalls
in the registry.
See :
http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/Interop/Building_Samples_C
OM2NET.aspx

the install batch file looks like this for your dll FX20Wrapper.dll

regasm
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\system.windows.forms.dll"

gacutil -u FX20Wrapper
regasm /u "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

regasm /tlb "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"
gacutil -i "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

To use Access set a reference to the tlb file that will be in a directory
like below depending on where you installed the project.
\VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.tlb

The tlb will allow Access to see the class definitions and do a compile.





From ebarro at verizon.net  Sat Apr 21 20:16:45 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:16:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using
 a	dtsx in	.Net
In-Reply-To: <004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JGV007WDKVX266A@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

John,

.Net takes care of registering any COM objects that you reference in your
projects. If you look at the bin folder where your project was compiled it
will contain an Interop.COMObject.dll file corresponding to the COMObject
that you referenced. That's just one of the "beauties" of .Net. :) When you
deploy the app to another machine all you need to do is to copy your
application DLL and the Interop DLLs to make it work.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
dtsx in .Net

Marty,

I didn't have to do a register on this machine since it was the one that I
created the VB.Net project on and the simple act of building it caused it to
be registered.  I will certainly look at that stuff if I need to do this on
another machine (actually use this thing).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
dtsx in .Net

Just wondering, if you used this method to register the com class dll.
It uses regasm and gacutil to remove any previously named dll and reinstalls
in the registry.
See :
http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/Interop/Building_Samples_C
OM2NET.aspx

the install batch file looks like this for your dll FX20Wrapper.dll

regasm
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\system.windows.forms.dll"

gacutil -u FX20Wrapper
regasm /u "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

regasm /tlb "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"
gacutil -i "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

To use Access set a reference to the tlb file that will be in a directory
like below depending on where you installed the project.
\VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.tlb

The tlb will allow Access to see the class definitions and do a compile.



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From pcs at azizaz.com  Sat Apr 21 20:31:06 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Hansen, Professional Computer Systems)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:31:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using adtsx
	in	.Net
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805><462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca><003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805><003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805><462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca>
	<004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <04e401c7847d$e61da770$fa10a8c0@Albatross>

Jon,
I am reading the thread with great interest.
I think a lot us hanging out in this forum are seeing the need of getting up to speed with .net and sql server etc.
... and wishing we had more time.

if you have time, would you mind going through the steps involved for creating what you did.

I understand there is a .net object - among the many thousands -  you refer to as "DotNet DiskWatcher object". - What's the name?

You write some .net code using this object that will monitor a Folder and alert you when things happens in the folder. What does the
code look like.

Then you write a "wrapper" so the .net code can be used in VB and more of interest in VBA.
What does the wrapper code look like - the com object?

Then there is the issue of registered the com object.
Marty is writing about certain code for using this.
What's the connection between the .dll file and .tlb file ?
Is the .dll file the file that contains the com object. what's the function of the tlb file?

You didn't need to register the com object as it gets registered on the machine you built the code on.

You then used the com object in some vba code, copy of which you showed us, right?

hmmm.... so much ... to get around to finding a 'easy' way to make .net functionality available in vba code

Here's another link:
Visual Basic Fusion: Best Practices to Use Visual Basic 6 and Visual Basic .NET Together
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364069(vs.80).aspx

borge


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using adtsx in .Net


Marty,

I didn't have to do a register on this machine since it was the one that I
created the VB.Net project on and the simple act of building it caused it to
be registered.  I will certainly look at that stuff if I need to do this on
another machine (actually use this thing).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
dtsx in .Net

Just wondering, if you used this method to register the com class dll.
It uses regasm and gacutil to remove any previously named dll and reinstalls
in the registry.
See :
http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/Interop/Building_Samples_C
OM2NET.aspx

the install batch file looks like this for your dll FX20Wrapper.dll

regasm
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\system.windows.forms.dll"

gacutil -u FX20Wrapper
regasm /u "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

regasm /tlb "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"
gacutil -i "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

To use Access set a reference to the tlb file that will be in a directory
like below depending on where you installed the project.
\VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.tlb

The tlb will allow Access to see the class definitions and do a compile.



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 23:29:34 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:29:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using
	adtsxin	.Net
In-Reply-To: <04e401c7847d$e61da770$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805><462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca><003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805><003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805><462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca><004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<04e401c7847d$e61da770$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
Message-ID: <004301c78496$d4f90980$657aa8c0@m6805>

Borge,

This all started when I watched a webcast video from a series that MS is
publishing.  They all seemed aimed at nudging VB6 folks to start using
VB.Net.  I am not a VB6 person, perhaps unfortunately.  

Anyway, I found this webcast in the start page of Visual Studio, but in fact
the email someone sent has the page to go to find these things.

http://msevents.microsoft.com/CUI/WebCastEventDetails.aspx?EventID=103233340
8&EventCategory=3&culture=en-US&CountryCode=US

Watch for wrap.

I know NOTHING about this other than what I learned in the webcast.  The
webcast showed how to build a com object from DotNet to do this stuff.  I
watched it, I typed it all in and built it.  I referenced it from Access,
built a demo etc. and it worked (after I figured out one syntax error).

How it worked I do not yet understand, in fact it is waaaay over my head.
This is a classic case of "they went too far", i.e. they should have stopped
at the diskwatcher but they did not, they wanted to show other (more
advanced) cool stuff.  Anyway, watch the video and see what you can get.  I
am now trying to lobotomize their COM widget to NOT do the extra cool stuff
because it gets in the way of actually using the disk watcher as a simple
diskwatcher.  

Basically they also read the contents of the files placed in the watched
directory into memory and then pass that off to the using application as a
parameter.  IOW when you sink an event in Access (or VB6) you get the actual
contents of the file in something - I think it is an array of strings but I
am not sure.  They also delete the file after they read it into this memory.


I don't WANT either of these functionalities, I just want to be notified
that there are files in the dir.  Some of the files I am processing are
multi-gigabyte text files.  I sure as hell don't want this thing trying to
read that into memory and pass it to my Access app thank you very much.  I
can go to the directory and open a text stream and do my own reading.  I
also don't want them deleting the file, I can do what I want with the file
when I am finished processing it.

But they had to be cool.

Anyway, there you are.  I am such a nubee that I will have to watch the
video several times to even begin to understand the finer points of it.

I have always been impressed with .Net, at least since version 2.0 came out.
It is very powerful stuff, and yes, I am trying to get into it.  I now
actually have a use for it - if I could just find the year required to
struggle up the learning curve.  I think it is just a matter of keeping at
it, day after day, week after week until it becomes familiar.  Hard to do
when you have way more Access work to do than you can ever get done which is
where I am right now (not complaining though).

BTW I posted the code (with one small syntax error) but it got caught in the
email size filter and never made it through to the list.

I will get back to you when I have this com object running the way I need
it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Borge Hansen,
Professional Computer Systems
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using
adtsxin .Net

Jon,
I am reading the thread with great interest.
I think a lot us hanging out in this forum are seeing the need of getting up
to speed with .net and sql server etc.
... and wishing we had more time.

if you have time, would you mind going through the steps involved for
creating what you did.

I understand there is a .net object - among the many thousands -  you refer
to as "DotNet DiskWatcher object". - What's the name?

You write some .net code using this object that will monitor a Folder and
alert you when things happens in the folder. What does the code look like.

Then you write a "wrapper" so the .net code can be used in VB and more of
interest in VBA.
What does the wrapper code look like - the com object?

Then there is the issue of registered the com object.
Marty is writing about certain code for using this.
What's the connection between the .dll file and .tlb file ?
Is the .dll file the file that contains the com object. what's the function
of the tlb file?

You didn't need to register the com object as it gets registered on the
machine you built the code on.

You then used the com object in some vba code, copy of which you showed us,
right?

hmmm.... so much ... to get around to finding a 'easy' way to make .net
functionality available in vba code

Here's another link:
Visual Basic Fusion: Best Practices to Use Visual Basic 6 and Visual Basic
.NET Together http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364069(vs.80).aspx

borge



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 22 05:01:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:01:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
Message-ID: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>

Hi John

It's worse. It has only limited functionality.
Quoting myself from 2002-02-19 where J?rgen had brought up how to use FindFirstChangeNotification:

<quote>
The problem I have with this is that it does not seem to be very
accurate. If a bunch of small files are copied then the event fires only
a couple of times; thus - for accurate purposes - it may be necessary to
regard the event being fired when "something" has happened - then you
have to investigate what this something is. Of course, if a file is
dropped in the watched directory only once in a while, this is not
necessary.

Any suggestions from the API gurus are most welcome.
</quote>

No suggestions were posted, so somehow this task must be very difficult ...

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-04-2007 21:37 >>>
Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
can only monitor one directory, and apparently that it can pretty much do
nothing else.  The reason is that VBA is single threaded, and this code is a
tight loop with a DoEvents to allow the appearance of normalcy.  However it
really doesn't allow anything else to function.  I tried to make this a
class so that I could then do two (or more) instances.  The first instance
starts up but the second instance is not allowed to instantiate, with a "the
macro or validation rule prevents..." error thrown in the event of the text
box that tries to set up the second instance.  In essence it appears that
this would work just fine in limited situations where you just want an
application to monitor a directory, do something specific, then go right
back to the monitor loop, however it may completely prevent a broader
application from functioning after the loop is started.

One of the things I am trying to do is to start slowly doing some VB.Net
development.  I have a handful of things that really don't "fit" Access as a
development tool, e.g. running things as services.  I am also doing a lot
more stuff directly out in SQL Server 2005, and I want the ability to run a
powerful programming language that more directly talks to SQL Server, and
also does not require a copy of Access installed in order to operate.
VB.Net will give me that if I can ever get it figured out (I just need the
TIME!).  

The .Net code basically listens for EVENTS from a DotNet DiskWatcher object.
I haven't gotten so far as to determine whether when wrapped as a COM object
it can be used more than once from inside of Access.  The Web Seminar left
out the critical (written) instructions for compiling and registering the
com object, though the instructions are in the video, so I am headed back to
watch that portion of the video again.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

You could use these Visual Basic 6.0  File API Routines
in VBA     FindFirstChangeNotification:
Randy Birch does a good job on error checking

Might have to run in a hidden form

   Create a 'Watched' Folder

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/watchedfolder.htm 


JWColby wrote:

>ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.
>
>I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.
>
>On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part 
>of the Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net 
>to make your application more responsive to the user".  It is really 
>cool, but as it turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was 
>looking for - a directory watcher which is a com object that can be 
>used from VB6.  Now to be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this 
>might also be usable from VBA.  It is a referencable object that 
>sources events, and may allow me to do directory watching from inside 
>of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer on a form.  How cool would that
be?
>
>VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I 
>have to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I 
>absolutely do understand everything they are talking about in this 
>demo, I just don't understand all the syntax (couldn't write it 
>myself).  It is so strange though, just today I was looking for code to
"watch a directory for files"
>and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free 
>copy of Visual Studio 2005.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 22 05:23:57 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:23:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to	MySQL table
Message-ID: <s62b53fa.028@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

And so I did - the developer is now organised as Cherry City Software:
http://cherrycitysoftware.com/CCS/Home/Default.aspx

<quote>
We never supported upadate/delete/add function on the fly. Instead, you have
to use script or SP call to do that.

We know it would be nice to that work. However, we are currently short of
resources.

Regards,
Cherry City Software Support Team
</quote>

So no luck. You have to run an SQL "Insert Values" command. Not very fancy.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 20-04-2007 16:02 >>>
Hi Jim

Sorry, I forgot to mention that this provider is non-MySQL stuff. It is for download here:

  http://luggle.com/~sean 

I better address my question to the author ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-04-2007 21:35 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I did not know there were OLE DB drivers for MySQL that would run through
Access... only ODBC drivers. There are a number of .Net examples but I do
not believe they are cross-compatible. This may not be the case as I was
working with such a configuration but it was about 4 or 5 years ago and
things should have progressed since then.

I have seen a configuration example... not tried. It shows "Provider=MySQL
Provider" code looking like "Provider=MySQLProv".

Below is a list of links to the latest software pieces:

1. MySQL - latest version from http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
2. MySQLODBC (reqd for Access to MySQL) - http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
3. MyOLEDB - http://www.mysql.com/downloads (should be MySQLProv.2.5)
4. WinMySQLAdmin - http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
5. Access To MySQL -
http://www.mysql.com/downloads/win32/myaccess2000_1_4.zip 
 
HTH

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider,
nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended
as expected.

/gustav




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 22 06:25:21 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:25:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>
References: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <462B4621.24380.D594DA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Apr 2007 at 12:01, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> It's worse. It has only limited functionality.
> Quoting myself from 2002-02-19 where J?rgen had brought up how to use
> FindFirstChangeNotification:
> 
> <quote>
> The problem I have with this is that it does not seem to be very
> accurate. If a bunch of small files are copied then the event fires only a
> couple of times;

That will happen especially if you are monitoring  the 
FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE or the FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE  events. 
(Probably  the more common ones in practice)
<quote>
 The operating system detects a change in file size only when the file is 
written to the disk. For operating systems that use extensive caching, 
detection occurs only when the cache is sufficiently flushed.
</quote>
<quote>
The operating system detects a change to the last write-time only when the 
file is written to the disk
</quote>

-- 
Stuart





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 22 06:27:32 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:27:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>
References: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <462B46A4.23315.D5B4C16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

> 
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-04-2007 21:37 >>>
> Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
> function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
> can only monitor one directory, 

It will monitor a complete directory tree is you set the bWatchSubtree 
flag.



-- 
Stuart




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 22 06:56:16 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:56:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
Message-ID: <s62b698f.030@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Yes, that was the case.
By second thought, it wouldn't take that much to load the list of files of the directory under observation into an array or collection at launch, then when "something happens" reread that list and pull out the new entries.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 22-04-2007 13:25 >>>
On 22 Apr 2007 at 12:01, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> It's worse. It has only limited functionality.
> Quoting myself from 2002-02-19 where J?rgen had brought up how to use
> FindFirstChangeNotification:
> 
> <quote>
> The problem I have with this is that it does not seem to be very
> accurate. If a bunch of small files are copied then the event fires only a
> couple of times;

That will happen especially if you are monitoring  the 
FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE or the FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE  events. 
(Probably  the more common ones in practice)
<quote>
 The operating system detects a change in file size only when the file is 
written to the disk. For operating systems that use extensive caching, 
detection occurs only when the cache is sufficiently flushed.
</quote>
<quote>
The operating system detects a change to the last write-time only when the 
file is written to the disk
</quote>

-- 
Stuart




From pcs at azizaz.com  Sun Apr 22 08:39:26 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Hansen, Professional Computer Systems)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:39:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE:
	usingadtsxin	.Net
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805><462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca><003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805><003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805><462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca><004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805><04e401c7847d$e61da770$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
	<004301c78496$d4f90980$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <050a01c784e3$a5bf78a0$fa10a8c0@Albatross>

Jon,
Thanks for taking the time to respond...
This may be of interest :
Access the File System with .NET Framework Classes from Visual Basic 6
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364070(vs.80).aspx

borge


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: usingadtsxin .Net


Borge,

This all started when I watched a webcast video from a series that MS is
publishing.  They all seemed aimed at nudging VB6 folks to start using
VB.Net.  I am not a VB6 person, perhaps unfortunately.  




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr 22 14:44:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:44:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
Message-ID: <004d01c78516$aab2ae80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 22 17:00:56 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:00:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <004d01c78516$aab2ae80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004d01c78516$aab2ae80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <462BDB18.5046.F9F2FDE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Apr 2007 at 12:44, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access  wrote:

> Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
> when you create a new message?

Gues you'd have to create a VBA macro in Outlook and set the Item.BCC 
property  in the Item_Send event


Of course if you use Pegasus Mail,  you can set it for each identity 
separately under the Sending Mail preferences :-)








-- 
Stuart




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr 22 17:23:42 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:23:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <462BDB18.5046.F9F2FDE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <005501c7852c$e27fccb0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Stuart:

Well I cribbed this of the net:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

But don't have a clue how to implement it.

Looks like I'll be learning something new this week.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On 22 Apr 2007 at 12:44, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access  wrote:

> Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
> Outlook when you create a new message?

Gues you'd have to create a VBA macro in Outlook and set the Item.BCC
property  in the Item_Send event


Of course if you use Pegasus Mail,  you can set it for each identity 
separately under the Sending Mail preferences :-)








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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr 22 22:56:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:56:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <000301c7855b$5c12e9d0$657aa8c0@m6805>

I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 23 04:15:50 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:15:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 23 07:08:33 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:08:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with spaces
between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e. 'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that
reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even
using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run
a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from
the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length
records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it
is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Apr 23 07:16:13 2007
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:16:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <017901c78317$1fa6f3b0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk><1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com><200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net><0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com><46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca><0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com><4628112A.6080702@shaw.ca>
	<017901c78317$1fa6f3b0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
Message-ID: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB442@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>

I'll second that. 


Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6

Marty,
when will be your MVP announcement?
Regards,
    Ervin
----- Original Message -----
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6


> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Dim mcolRate As Collection
> Sub testxml()
>  Set mcolRate = New Collection
> 'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
> ' via XPath
>
> GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
>
> Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
> MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
> End Sub
> Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
>  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html
>
> 'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
> 'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.
>
>  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
>    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
>    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
>    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
>    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
>    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
>    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
>     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
>    Dim Mydb As Database
>    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
>    Dim sTempValue As String
>
>    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>
>    oDOMDocument.async = False
>    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for
errors
>    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
>    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
>
>    'use if xml disk file
>      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
>        MsgBox ("XML File error")
>             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
>        DOMParseError xPError
>
>       End If
>   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml
>
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>
>  ' Set oNodeList = 
> oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
>  Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
>
>     Debug.Print oNodeList.length
>
>    For Each oNode In oNodeList
>
>      '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
>
>        Select Case oNode.nodeName
>            Case "currency"
>                 sTempValue = oNode.Text
>
>            Case "rate"
>             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
>                On Error Resume Next
>                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
>                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
>                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
>                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>
>        End Select
>
>      Next
>    Set oNodeList = Nothing
>    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
>    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
>    Exit Function
>
> ErrorHandler:
>
>  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)
>
> End Function
> Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)
>
>    ' The document failed to load.
>    Dim strErrText As String
>    ' Obtain the ParseError object
>    With xPE
>    strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
>        "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
>        "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
>        "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
>        "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
>        "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
>        "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
>        "Document URL: " & .url
>    End With
>    Debug.Print strErrText
>
>  Dim s As String
>  Dim r As String
>  Dim i As Long
>
>   s = ""
>  For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
>    s = s & " "
>  Next
>  r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
>  Debug.Print r
>    'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml
file
>  If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
>    r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf &
_
>         xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
>  End If
>  Debug.Print r
>    MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
> End Sub
>
>
> Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>>
>>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of
differences
>>betweent the two do you think?
>>
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>>
>>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples
in
>>VBA
>>
>>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>>
>> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it
serves
>>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>>
>>XQuery example
>>
>>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>>
>>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID =
@CustomerID"
>>
>>
>>XPath example
>>
>>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>>   Set oNodeList =
>>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>>
>>Have a look at
>>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>>
>>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>>
>>
>>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>>
>>>Hello All,
>>>
>>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I
hope
>>>someone can help with.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
>>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
>>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>>
>>>Any short code snip will do.
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>Jim DeMarco
>>>
>>>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr 23 10:10:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:10:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <004d01c78516$aab2ae80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 11:01:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <008801c785c0$ae09a070$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr 23 11:38:53 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:38:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <008801c785c0$ae09a070$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 11:50:41 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:50:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next and
Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list' to
select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 23 11:56:45 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:56:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C23@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Wouldn't it be easier to just add a custom button to Outlook to pop the
Admin Assistant into the Bcc for each email she wants to apply it to?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule
wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc
her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next
and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list'
to select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing
addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 12:17:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:17:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C23@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00c101c785cb$42b4a9e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Charlotte:

Too easy.  But I couldn't figure out how to do it.  Checked the Customize
commands but didn't see anything obvious.   How do you do that?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Wouldn't it be easier to just add a custom button to Outlook to pop the
Admin Assistant into the Bcc for each email she wants to apply it to?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc
her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next and
Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list'
to select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr 23 12:26:17 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:26:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B19F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Hmmmm, good point.  Another option would be to have the lawyer link
outlook to a folder in her assistants account (easier if on an Exchange
server, if they are using .pst's, may not work), and use the move to
folder action.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule
wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc
her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next
and
Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list'
to
select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing
addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Apr 23 12:54:09 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:54:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000001c785d0$66cea920$c9e1d355@minster33c3r25>

Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option
ticked doesn't she?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
> Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
> The rule wizard
> seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
> wants to Bcc her
> admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
> 
> Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
> 
> Click New Rule
> 
> Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
> 
> Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
> 
> Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
> 
> (Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The 
> last Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
> 
> Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
> 
> In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or 
> distribution list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
> 
> Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions 
> that you can apply to your rule)
> 
> Click Finish
> 
> All done!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
> That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs 
> outgoing addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing 
> it somewhere?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field 
> in Outlook when you create a new message?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
>  	
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 13:01:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:01:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <000001c785d0$66cea920$c9e1d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00d601c785d1$621a5360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every email
that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she was looking
for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in the Bcc line on
every email.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option
ticked doesn't she?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
> Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
> The rule wizard
> seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
> wants to Bcc her
> admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
> 
> Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
> 
> Click New Rule
> 
> Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
> 
> Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
> 
> Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
> 
> (Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
> Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
> 
> Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
> 
> In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
> list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
> 
> Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
> can apply to your rule)
> 
> Click Finish
> 
> All done!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
> at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
> That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
> addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
> at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
> Outlook when you create a new message?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Apr 23 13:05:39 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:05:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query returns only some results
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32202A02BC1@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

When I run the following query it returns results for only some
patterns. An example is Pattern 111-1. Below the query is a listing of
some of the data for Pattern 111-1. I have also tried min in place of
first. I cannot seem to see why I am getting no results for this
pattern.

 

SELECT DISTINCT Daily_Appended_Audit.Pattern,
First(Daily_Appended_Audit.Date) AS FirstOfDate

FROM Daily_Appended_Audit

WHERE (((Daily_Appended_Audit.[Inject Fluid])="Water") AND
((Daily_Appended_Audit.BWIPD)>0))

GROUP BY Daily_Appended_Audit.Pattern

HAVING (((First(Daily_Appended_Audit.Date))>Date()-2));

 

qry First Date of Water Injection after Today

Pattern

Date

111-1

4/20/2006

111-1

4/21/2006

111-1

4/22/2006

111-1

4/23/2006

111-1

4/24/2006

111-1

4/25/2006

111-1

4/26/2006

111-1

4/27/2006

111-1

4/28/2006

111-1

4/29/2006

111-1

4/30/2006

111-1

5/1/2006

111-1

5/2/2006

111-1

5/3/2006

111-1

5/4/2006

111-1

5/5/2006

111-1

5/6/2006

111-1

5/7/2006

111-1

5/8/2006

111-1

5/9/2006

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Mon Apr 23 13:09:33 2007
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:09:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
References: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015F7DDB@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>

There is an option in Rules to check messages after they are sent, and
then send copy to another person.   Does this help? 


Thanks, 


Liz 


Liz Doering
elizabeth.j.doering at wellsfargo.com
612.667.2447


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule
wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc
her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next
and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list'
to select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing
addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Apr 23 13:26:52 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:26:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query returns only some results
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32202A02BC1@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32202A02BC1@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32202A02BD6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem solved!
Field name in source table of Date is the problem. I should know that
Date  is not a good field name to use. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Query returns only some results

When I run the following query it returns results for only some
patterns. An example is Pattern 111-1. Below the query is a listing of
some of the data for Pattern 111-1. I have also tried min in place of
first. I cannot seem to see why I am getting no results for this
pattern.

 

SELECT DISTINCT Daily_Appended_Audit.Pattern,
First(Daily_Appended_Audit.Date) AS FirstOfDate

FROM Daily_Appended_Audit

WHERE (((Daily_Appended_Audit.[Inject Fluid])="Water") AND
((Daily_Appended_Audit.BWIPD)>0))

GROUP BY Daily_Appended_Audit.Pattern

HAVING (((First(Daily_Appended_Audit.Date))>Date()-2));

 

qry First Date of Water Injection after Today

Pattern

Date

111-1

4/20/2006

111-1

4/21/2006

111-1

4/22/2006

111-1

4/23/2006

111-1

4/24/2006

111-1

4/25/2006

111-1

4/26/2006

111-1

4/27/2006

111-1

4/28/2006

111-1

4/29/2006

111-1

4/30/2006

111-1

5/1/2006

111-1

5/2/2006

111-1

5/3/2006

111-1

5/4/2006

111-1

5/5/2006

111-1

5/6/2006

111-1

5/7/2006

111-1

5/8/2006

111-1

5/9/2006

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 16:58:57 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:58:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <00d601c785d1$621a5360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00d601c785d1$621a5360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <462D2C21.5050209@shaw.ca>

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every email
>that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she was looking
>for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in the Bcc line on
>every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 18:03:12 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:03:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <462D2C21.5050209@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 23 18:13:05 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:13:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk> <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped off
of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that pulls
the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with spaces
between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e. 'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that
reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even
using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run
a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from
the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length
records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it
is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr 23 18:57:51 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:57:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B23C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop
down box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down
will then have the ItemSend event.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never
put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to
the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Apr 23 19:01:27 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:01:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk> <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <004401c78603$b4fc5c90$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

John,

Check out FileHelpers 2.0 http://filehelpers.sourceforge.net/ and see if
that will help you.

Also, it sounds like BCP in SQL server would be a better candidate to get
the data into SQL in a bulk manner.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped off
of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that pulls
the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with spaces
between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e. 'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that
reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even
using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run
a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from
the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length
records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it
is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 23 19:01:00 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:01:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk> <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn
the fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces
stripped off of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second
for the conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and
linked the file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append
query that pulls the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the
SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better
than 500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take
weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with
spaces between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e.
'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found
that reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second
even using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then
run a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the
data from the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server
table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed
length records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at
least it is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need
to change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table /
append, and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of
course I can simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard
again, however this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of
the field name / field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or
should I just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to
import into the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The
last time I did this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files
from the original fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around
the barn but then again I do not see how this wizard is really very
useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 19:58:44 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:58:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Express Orcas CTP is released April 21
In-Reply-To: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <462D5644.1060009@shaw.ca>

Visual Studio Express Orcas CTP is released April 21.
Community Technology Preview Beta

The Orcas version of VB.NET Express is available and will run on WinXP
and Vista
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/future/default.aspx

What is new?

LINQ, Windows Presentation Foundation, improvements in the CLR,
Windows Communication Foundation and Windows Workflow Foundation
May need Net Framework 3.5

Will LINQ replace XQuery or is it an enhancement?

LINQ aims to reduce complexity for developers through a set
of extensions to the C# and Visual Basic programming languages
as well as the Microsoft .NET Framework which provide integrated
querying for objects, databases and XML data.
 Using LINQ, developers will be able to write queries natively in C# or 
Visual Basic
without having to use specialized languages, such as Structured Query 
Language (SQL) and XPath.


An Overview of Microsoft Visual Studio Code Name "Orcas" White Paper
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=17319EB4-299C-43B8-A360-A1C2BD6A421B&displaylang=en


The Beta 1 download for Visual Studio codename "Orcas"
is available immediately for MSDN subscribers and
the public download will be available soon. And yes, it will install on 
Vista
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa700831.aspx

Here is download could be 5 Gig

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=36B6609E-6F3D-40F4-8C7D-AD111679D8DC&displaylang=en

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 20:03:36 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:03:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB442@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
	<200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<4628112A.6080702@shaw.ca> <017901c78317$1fa6f3b0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB442@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <462D5768.1090508@shaw.ca>

Maybe when I finally get around to getting my IBM XML certification
if they don't stop moving the goal posts. Last time I went to try it,
they changed the exam and dropped XSL patterns as obsolete
after I finally figured them out and the penny dropped..

Yeah now I have to find out the differences between XQuery and LINQ.
NetFramework 3.5 is now out with changes to VSTO.


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>I'll second that. 
>
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:42 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>Marty,
>when will be your MVP announcement?
>Regards,
>    Ervin
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>
>  
>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Dim mcolRate As Collection
>>Sub testxml()
>> Set mcolRate = New Collection
>>'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
>>' via XPath
>>
>>GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
>>
>>Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
>>MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
>>End Sub
>>Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
>> 'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html
>>
>>'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
>>'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.
>>
>> 'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
>>   'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>>   'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
>>   Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>>   Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
>>   Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
>>   Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
>>   Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
>>   Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
>>    Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
>>   Dim Mydb As Database
>>   Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
>>   Dim sTempValue As String
>>
>>   Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>>
>>   oDOMDocument.async = False
>>   oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for
>>    
>>
>errors
>  
>
>>   oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
>>   oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
>>
>>   'use if xml disk file
>>     If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
>>       MsgBox ("XML File error")
>>            Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
>>       DOMParseError xPError
>>
>>      End If
>>  Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>>    Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml
>>
>>  'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>>
>> ' Set oNodeList = 
>>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
>> Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
>>
>>    Debug.Print oNodeList.length
>>
>>   For Each oNode In oNodeList
>>
>>     '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
>>
>>       Select Case oNode.nodeName
>>           Case "currency"
>>                sTempValue = oNode.Text
>>
>>           Case "rate"
>>            'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
>>               On Error Resume Next
>>                mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
>>                mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
>>                  Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
>>               On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>>
>>       End Select
>>
>>     Next
>>   Set oNodeList = Nothing
>>   Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
>>   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
>>   Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
>>   Exit Function
>>
>>ErrorHandler:
>>
>> '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)
>>
>>End Function
>>Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)
>>
>>   ' The document failed to load.
>>   Dim strErrText As String
>>   ' Obtain the ParseError object
>>   With xPE
>>   strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
>>       "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
>>       "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Document URL: " & .url
>>   End With
>>   Debug.Print strErrText
>>
>> Dim s As String
>> Dim r As String
>> Dim i As Long
>>
>>  s = ""
>> For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
>>   s = s & " "
>> Next
>> r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
>> Debug.Print r
>>   'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml
>>    
>>
>file
>  
>
>> If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
>>   r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf &
>>    
>>
>_
>  
>
>>        xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
>> End If
>> Debug.Print r
>>   MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
>>End Sub
>>
>>
>>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>>>
>>>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>>>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>>>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>>>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of
>>>      
>>>
>differences
>  
>
>>>betweent the two do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>      
>>>
>MartyConnelly
>  
>
>>>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>>>
>>>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples
>>>      
>>>
>in
>  
>
>>>VBA
>>>
>>>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>>>
>>>XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it
>>>      
>>>
>serves
>  
>
>>>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>>>
>>>XQuery example
>>>
>>>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>>>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>>>
>>>                         & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID =
>>>      
>>>
>@CustomerID"
>  
>
>>>XPath example
>>>
>>>   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>>>  'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>>>  Set oNodeList =
>>>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>>>
>>>Have a look at
>>>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>>>
>>>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>>>
>>>>Hello All,
>>>>
>>>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I
>>>>        
>>>>
>hope
>  
>
>>>>someone can help with.
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
>>>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
>>>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>>>
>>>>Any short code snip will do.
>>>>
>>>>TIA,
>>>>
>>>>Jim DeMarco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>-- 
>>Marty Connelly
>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>-- 
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date:
>>    
>>
>4/1/2007 
>  
>
>>8:49 PM
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 20:09:04 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:09:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <462D58B0.9040107@shaw.ca>

I haven't got Outlook on this machine but I think,
there is a built-in ThisOutlookSession module in Outlook VBA.
Just place in there.

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Marty:
>
>You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
>any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
>Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?
>
>Rocky
> 
>
>
>
>
> 	
>	
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>This site says you have to do through VBA code.
>or use third party add-in
>http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm
>
>To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
>http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm
>
>Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>>the Bcc line on every email.
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>>ticked doesn't she?
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>>The rule wizard
>>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>>wants to Bcc her
>>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>>
>>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>>
>>>Click New Rule
>>>
>>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>>
>>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>>
>>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>>
>>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>>
>>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>>
>>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>>
>>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>>can apply to your rule)
>>>
>>>Click Finish
>>>
>>>All done!
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>>at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>	
>>>	
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>>at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear List:
>>>
>>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>--
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Free Edition. 
>Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 4/22/2007
>8:18 PM
> 
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 23 20:29:03 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:29:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk>
	<001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805><000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000101c7860f$f2bd6b80$657aa8c0@m6805>

>Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??

LOL, not at all. If I figure this out, it could turn into thousands of
dollars a month in recurring income.  We like recurring income!


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped off
of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that pulls
the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Apr 23 22:23:40 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:23:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk><001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805><000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<000101c7860f$f2bd6b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000701c7861f$f53cf730$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...recurring income ...the holy grail of every independent :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


> >Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
>
> LOL, not at all. If I figure this out, it could turn into thousands of
> dollars a month in recurring income.  We like recurring income!
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:01 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>
> Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
> LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>
> Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
> fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped 
> off
> of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
> conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
> file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that 
> pulls
> the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.
>
> Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
> 500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.
>
> I have ~ 100 million records to convert so...
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 24 02:03:33 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:03:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk><001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805><000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><000101c7860f$f2bd6b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000701c7861f$f53cf730$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <001601c7863e$ad150a00$6501a8c0@office>

....I second that. For the first time (ever I think for me) it apears that I may actually have an 'on sale' of something I have already written. Hallelujah.....

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


  ...recurring income ...the holy grail of every independent :)

  William Hindman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


  > >Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
  >
  > LOL, not at all. If I figure this out, it could turn into thousands of
  > dollars a month in recurring income.  We like recurring income!
  >
  >
  > John W. Colby
  > Colby Consulting
  > www.ColbyConsulting.com
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
  > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:01 PM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
  >
  > Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
  > LOL
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
  > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:13 PM
  > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
  >
  > Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
  > fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped 
  > off
  > of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
  > conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
  > file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that 
  > pulls
  > the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.
  >
  > Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
  > 500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.
  >
  > I have ~ 100 million records to convert so...
  >
  > John W. Colby
  > Colby Consulting
  > www.ColbyConsulting.com
  >
  >
  > -- 
  > AccessD mailing list
  > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
  > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
  > 



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  Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Tue Apr 24 02:28:22 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:28:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
Message-ID: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms and 
12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which 
produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO WAY 
TO CANCEL IT!  

Guess what, all the conditional formats are now black-on-defaultbackground.

Recovered the backup taken 30 minutes ago, still the same.  Went back to this 
mornings backup, still the same. Changed the display mode back to normal XP 
defaults, ... still the same.

1. Has anyone got any idea how to fix this?
2. Can anyone give me the home address of the M$ MORON who did this to me?

-- 
regards

Bruce


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 03:33:52 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:33:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62ddd35.067@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Having the csv files created, I see no reason to use Access to guide the import to SQL Server. Either BCP, as Bobby mentions, or a bulk statement-  which you could adjust on the fly as a pass-through query - could be used at much higher speed:

  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187042.aspx 

though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post): 50k records/s

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-2007 01:13 >>>
Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped off
of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that pulls
the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with spaces
between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e. 'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that
reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even
using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run
a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from
the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length
records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it
is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr 24 06:58:37 2007
From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:58:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] CreateObject to open Outlook
Message-ID: <003e01c78667$e50f5810$6401a8c0@XPcomputer>

Access 2000/XP/2003 with Outlook 2003

I have a procedure that creates an email in Outlook using late binding.
The initial code is as follows

    Set objOutlook = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application")
    If Err.Number = 429 Then Set objOutlook =
CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

    Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(0)


This code has been working correctly for years until recently.   Now I am
getting the error "Object variable or With block variable not set."    The
error is occuring on the 3rd line -- if Outlook is not open, it correctly
executes the If then statement, but I then get an error on the 3rd line.
If Outlook is already open, the code runs correctly.

This code is still working correctly on my laptop.   The last time I know it
worked on my desktop was several weeks ago.

My laptop has Outlook 2003  SP1.
My desktop has Outlook 2003  SP2.    It's had automated Window updates in
the last couple of weeks.

Does anyone know how to solve this issue, other than opening Outlook first?


Thanks
Carolyn Johnson



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 07:11:33 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:11:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62ddd35.067@cactus.dk>
References: <s62ddd35.067@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002d01c78669$b39ac060$657aa8c0@m6805>

Gustav,

I found a syntax for SQL Server that, executed directly, allows me to do the
import from inside of SQL Server.

SELECT * 
FROM
OPENROWSET( 'MSDASQL',
		'Driver=(Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt, *.csv));
		DEFAULTDIR=d:\YadaYada;Extensions=CSV;',
		'SELECT * FROM NAR_CA1N.CSV')

This syntax directly opens a dataset, which can then be fed into an INSERT
statement as the "data clause".

It works, I have done so.  I have no idea how fast it is, but not
particularly I suspect.  One thing I have to go do is look at the log files
and see if I need to turn off logging.  

Another thing I need to do is TURN OFF the windows updates, which rebooted
my machine in the middle of the night last night!!!  If I have no logging, I
certainly don't want Windows rebooting itself in the middle of an import.

>though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post):
50k records/s

What are you suggesting with this?  That I set up MySQL on this machine just
to do the imports and then import the data out of MySQL into SQL Server?  It
seems that with as many problems as I have getting up to speed on SQL Server
I am doubling my problems trying to install another entire database server
and learn it as well.  I understand that you know and love MySQL but I am
pretty certain I have enough problems already without adding MySQL to my
plate.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Having the csv files created, I see no reason to use Access to guide the
import to SQL Server. Either BCP, as Bobby mentions, or a bulk statement-
which you could adjust on the fly as a pass-through query - could be used at
much higher speed:

  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187042.aspx 

though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post):
50k records/s

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 07:53:53 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:53:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62e1a23.082@cactus.dk>

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-2007 14:11 >>>
Gustav,

I found a syntax for SQL Server that, executed directly, allows me to do the
import from inside of SQL Server.

SELECT * 
FROM
OPENROWSET( 'MSDASQL',
		'Driver=(Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt, *.csv));
		DEFAULTDIR=d:\YadaYada;Extensions=CSV;',
		'SELECT * FROM NAR_CA1N.CSV')

This syntax directly opens a dataset, which can then be fed into an INSERT
statement as the "data clause".

It works, I have done so.  I have no idea how fast it is, but not
particularly I suspect.  One thing I have to go do is look at the log files
and see if I need to turn off logging.  

Another thing I need to do is TURN OFF the windows updates, which rebooted
my machine in the middle of the night last night!!!  If I have no logging, I
certainly don't want Windows rebooting itself in the middle of an import.

>though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post):
50k records/s

What are you suggesting with this?  That I set up MySQL on this machine just
to do the imports and then import the data out of MySQL into SQL Server?  It
seems that with as many problems as I have getting up to speed on SQL Server
I am doubling my problems trying to install another entire database server
and learn it as well.  I understand that you know and love MySQL but I am
pretty certain I have enough problems already without adding MySQL to my
plate.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Having the csv files created, I see no reason to use Access to guide the
import to SQL Server. Either BCP, as Bobby mentions, or a bulk statement-
which you could adjust on the fly as a pass-through query - could be used at
much higher speed:

  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187042.aspx 

though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post):
50k records/s

/gustav





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 24 08:06:21 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:06:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000601c78671$5b442ed0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Bruce,

Can't help with the home address!

I would first try to rule out that something has happened to your PC.  Put
your database on another PC to see what happens.  Do you have any other
databases that use conditional formatting?

Then on your PC, create a new small database and then see if conditional
formatting works.

You can try importing a couple of your objects to a new database.

I use conditional formatting quite a bit but haven't seen this problem.

Long term, conditional formatting can be established through code.  This
would hopefully reset your forms/reports even if your PC did this again.

Hope this helps - and good luck!
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
and 
12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which 
produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO WAY

TO CANCEL IT!  

Guess what, all the conditional formats are now black-on-defaultbackground.

Recovered the backup taken 30 minutes ago, still the same.  Went back to
this 
mornings backup, still the same. Changed the display mode back to normal XP 
defaults, ... still the same.

1. Has anyone got any idea how to fix this?
2. Can anyone give me the home address of the M$ MORON who did this to me?

-- 
regards

Bruce
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Apr 24 08:59:55 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Apr 24 09:08:50 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:08:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
CodeType     CodeId     CodeName                OrderOnForm 
Ethnicity      1        Puerto Rican                 1 
Ethnicity      2        Mexican                      2 
Ethnicity      3        Cuban                        3 
Ethnicity      4        Other Hispanic               4 
Ethnicity      5        Hispanic, Not Specified/Known5 
Ethnicity      7        Not of Hispanic Origin       6 
Ethnicity      9        Don't Know/No Answer         7 
Gender         1        Male                        10 
Gender         2        Female                      20 
Health         1        Poor                         5 
Health         2        Fair                        10 
Health         3        Good                        15 
Health         4        Very Good                   20 
Health         5        Excellent                   25 
Health         9        Don't Know/No Answer        80 

 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 09:32:44 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62e1a23.082@cactus.dk>
References: <s62e1a23.082@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Gustav,

My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
for a given file.

I have never written a stored procedure.
Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
code.

So much to learn, so little time.

Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.

And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
need to get this process automated.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be
more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO
and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from
the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize
logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't
seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you
can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for
you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true
experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these
files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without
manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 09:39:11 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:39:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain the
same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that anymore? So
all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a lookup
table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then JC's
little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not relational
structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding what
I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application in
Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and county
name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them as separate
tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his "logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see what
else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 24 09:48:52 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:48:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B23C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000301c7867f$ad2266f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 24 09:58:38 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:58:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <462D58B0.9040107@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000401c78681$0a76ced0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

I'm lost.  I don't see that anywhere.  I see the Application.ItemSend in the
object browser but no way to create the code.  If I just paste the code in
that I found on the web, it doesn't work. What am I missing here?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

I haven't got Outlook on this machine but I think, there is a built-in
ThisOutlookSession module in Outlook VBA.
Just place in there.

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Marty:
>
>You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never 
>put any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached 
>to the Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?
>
>Rocky
> 
>
>
>
>
> 	
>	
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>This site says you have to do through VBA code.
>or use third party add-in
>http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm
>
>To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
>http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm
>
>Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>>the Bcc line on every email.
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>>ticked doesn't she?
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>>The rule wizard
>>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>>wants to Bcc her
>>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>>
>>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>>
>>>Click New Rule
>>>
>>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>>
>>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>>
>>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>>
>>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>>
>>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>>
>>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>>
>>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>>can apply to your rule)
>>>
>>>Click Finish
>>>
>>>All done!
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>	
>>>	
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear List:
>>>
>>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 10:13:05 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:13:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain the
same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that anymore? So
all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a lookup
table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then JC's
little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not relational
structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding what
I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application in
Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and county
name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them as separate
tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his "logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see what
else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Apr 24 10:20:36 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:20:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <000301c7867f$ad2266f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B2FB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of
your Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft
Outlook as a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left
combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop
down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will
then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never
put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to
the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 10:21:03 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:21:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}  

I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access apps.
In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead
of in the database. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as
it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain
the same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that
anymore? So all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a
lookup table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then
JC's little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not
relational structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and
problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see
what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 10:22:42 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:22:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62e3cff.089@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, I hope you get paid well.

Had you installed your SQL Server 2005 in "backwards compatibility mode" or whatever it is called - to behave like an SQL Server 2000 - it is my understanding that you could have created an ADP which gives you direct access to create and edit stored procedures in the SQL Server engine.
I have never done this myself so someone else might guide you here what your options are.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-2007 16:32 >>>
Gustav,

My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
for a given file.

I have never written a stored procedure.
Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
code.

So much to learn, so little time.

Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.

And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
need to get this process automated.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be
more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO
and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from
the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize
logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't
seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you
can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for
you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true
experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these
files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without
manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav




From ssharkins at setel.com  Tue Apr 24 10:30:17 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:30:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000b01c78685$76c7dad0$0432fad1@SusanOne>

Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with the
problem at hand -- sorry about that. :( 

Susan H. 

After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
and
12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO WAY
TO CANCEL IT!  




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 10:36:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:36:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>

>Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}  

Only when someone is trying to use a single record table and adding fields
to the table every day.

<grin>

>In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead of
in the database. 

I find it useful to have a copy (for my framework SysVars for example) in
the framework itself, then a copy in the FE.  The FE copy is loaded AFTER
the FW copy so overwrites the FW copy if any changes are made in the FE.
This allows me to set up the framework to have default behaviors that can be
overwritten as desired for specific Fes. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}  

I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access apps.
In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead of
in the database. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain the
same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that anymore? So
all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a lookup
table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then JC's
little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not relational
structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding what
I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application in
Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and county
name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them as separate
tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his "logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see what
else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 10:44:10 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:44:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Essentially, we do the same thing in .Net.  The xml files are the
equivalent of FE tables.  We also provide an "overwrite" methodology
that allows admins to distribute an xml file that will install and/or
lock settings on an installation so the user either doesn't have to or
can't set them.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

>Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}

Only when someone is trying to use a single record table and adding
fields to the table every day.

<grin>

>In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file 
>instead of
in the database. 

I find it useful to have a copy (for my framework SysVars for example)
in the framework itself, then a copy in the FE.  The FE copy is loaded
AFTER the FW copy so overwrites the FW copy if any changes are made in
the FE.
This allows me to set up the framework to have default behaviors that
can be overwritten as desired for specific Fes. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}  

I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access apps.
In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead
of in the database. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as
it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain
the same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that
anymore? So all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a
lookup table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then
JC's little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not
relational structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and
problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see
what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 10:50:52 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:50:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>

He is probably an ex-FoxPro developer.
They were one of the ones that got into
doing a single table like that for all
of the lookups.

It is flat out bad design.

Show him the correct way, yours.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
>From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,      "Access Developers discussion and
>         problem solving"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9 at ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi All,
>I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
>what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
>in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
>county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
>as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
>relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
>Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
>dbo_tblCodes
>CodeType        CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
>Ethnicity       1       Puerto Rican    1
>Ethnicity       2       Mexican 2
>Ethnicity       3       Cuban   3
>Ethnicity       4       Other Hispanic  4
>Ethnicity       5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
>Ethnicity       7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
>Ethnicity       9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
>Gender  1       Male    10
>Gender  2       Female  20
>Health  1       Poor    5
>Health  2       Fair    10
>Health  3       Good    15
>Health  4       Very Good       20
>Health  5       Excellent       25
>Health  9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
>This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
>"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
>see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
>TIA
>Ed
>
>
>Edward P. Tesiny
>Assistant Director for Evaluation
>Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
>New York State OASAS
>1450 Western Ave.
>Albany, New York  12203-3526
>Phone:  (518) 485-7189
>Fax:  (518) 485-5769
>Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 10:53:22 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:53:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241554.l3OFsB3F026427@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster
is to have the CSV file on the server and not on a different
machine. Network traffic can kill the process and slow it
down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
>chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
>next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
>below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
>the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
>directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
>for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
>fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
>/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
>size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
>need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 10:55:07 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:55:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704240855t7a6f5d90nc7337197ebc8ed9a@mail.gmail.com>

For those who care about theory, this model is a definite no-no. A table
(relation) is a collection of like entities, and since there is no
observable penalty for the number of tables (unless it goes into the
thousands), then IMO it is asinine, not to mention theoretically unsound, to
use one table for several purposes.

Assuming that you choose the one-table route, then you must create views or
UDFs to isolate the collection of interest. Given the overhead involved in
doing that (and the more rows, the more overhead), what do you gain by
stuffing a bunch of unlike entities into a single table?

The whole idea IMO is incoherent and self-defeating.

My $.02.
Arthur


On 4/24/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}
>
> Only when someone is trying to use a single record table and adding fields
> to the table every day.
>
> <grin>
>
> >In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead
> of
> in the database.
>
> I find it useful to have a copy (for my framework SysVars for example) in
> the framework itself, then a copy in the FE.  The FE copy is loaded AFTER
> the FW copy so overwrites the FW copy if any changes are made in the FE.
> This allows me to set up the framework to have default behaviors that can
> be
> overwritten as desired for specific Fes.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}
>
> I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access apps.
> In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead
> of
> in the database.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Hi Ed,
> My ponderings...
>
> I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.
>
> I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
> theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as
> it
> (obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain
> the
> same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that anymore?
> So
> all I can advise is to document, document, document!
>
> The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a lookup
> table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then JC's
> little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not
> relational
> structure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Hi All,
> I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
> what
> I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application in
> Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and county
> name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them as
> separate
> tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and relationships "my"
> programmer created.  He has one code table period!
> Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
> dbo_tblCodes
> CodeType         CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
> Ethnicity        1       Puerto Rican    1
> Ethnicity        2       Mexican         2
> Ethnicity        3       Cuban   3
> Ethnicity        4       Other Hispanic  4
> Ethnicity        5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
> Ethnicity        7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
> Ethnicity        9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
> Gender   1       Male    10
> Gender   2       Female  20
> Health   1       Poor    5
> Health   2       Fair    10
> Health   3       Good    15
> Health   4       Very Good       20
> Health   5       Excellent       25
> Health   9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
> This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his "logic"
> here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see what
> else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
> TIA
> Ed
>
>
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
> Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 10:58:01 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:58:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>
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I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep
track of all the table files otherwise.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

He is probably an ex-FoxPro developer.
They were one of the ones that got into
doing a single table like that for all
of the lookups.

It is flat out bad design.

Show him the correct way, yours.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
>From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,      "Access Developers discussion
and
>         problem solving"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9 at ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi All,
>I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding

>what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an 
>application in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., 
>county code and county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider 
>Name.  I have them as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of

>the tables and relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code
table period!
>Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
>dbo_tblCodes
>CodeType        CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
>Ethnicity       1       Puerto Rican    1
>Ethnicity       2       Mexican 2
>Ethnicity       3       Cuban   3
>Ethnicity       4       Other Hispanic  4
>Ethnicity       5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
>Ethnicity       7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
>Ethnicity       9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
>Gender  1       Male    10
>Gender  2       Female  20
>Health  1       Poor    5
>Health  2       Fair    10
>Health  3       Good    15
>Health  4       Very Good       20
>Health  5       Excellent       25
>Health  9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
>This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his 
>"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate 
>to see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
>TIA
>Ed
>
>
>Edward P. Tesiny
>Assistant Director for Evaluation
>Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450

>Western Ave.
>Albany, New York  12203-3526
>Phone:  (518) 485-7189
>Fax:  (518) 485-5769
>Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 11:07:11 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:07:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <200704241554.l3OFsB3F026427@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241554.l3OFsB3F026427@databaseadvisors.com>
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The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 11:07:57 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:07:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704240855t7a6f5d90nc7337197ebc8ed9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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In modern databases, it's incoherent and unnecessary.  In the databases
of 25 years ago, where every table was a separate file, it made a bit
more sesne to reduce the number of tables where possible.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

For those who care about theory, this model is a definite no-no. A table
(relation) is a collection of like entities, and since there is no
observable penalty for the number of tables (unless it goes into the
thousands), then IMO it is asinine, not to mention theoretically
unsound, to use one table for several purposes.

Assuming that you choose the one-table route, then you must create views
or UDFs to isolate the collection of interest. Given the overhead
involved in doing that (and the more rows, the more overhead), what do
you gain by stuffing a bunch of unlike entities into a single table?

The whole idea IMO is incoherent and self-defeating.

My $.02.
Arthur


On 4/24/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}
>
> Only when someone is trying to use a single record table and adding 
> fields to the table every day.
>
> <grin>
>
> >In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file 
> >instead
> of
> in the database.
>
> I find it useful to have a copy (for my framework SysVars for example)

> in the framework itself, then a copy in the FE.  The FE copy is loaded

> AFTER the FW copy so overwrites the FW copy if any changes are made in
the FE.
> This allows me to set up the framework to have default behaviors that 
> can be overwritten as desired for specific Fes.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}
>
> I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access
apps.
> In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file 
> instead of in the database.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Hi Ed,
> My ponderings...
>
> I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.
>
> I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational

> theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values 
> as it
> (obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you 
> retain the same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do

> that anymore?
> So
> all I can advise is to document, document, document!
>
> The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a 
> lookup table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - 
> then JC's little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code

> not relational structure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and 
> problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Hi All,
> I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question 
> regarding what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an

> application in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., 
> county code and county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider 
> Name.  I have them as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out 
> of the tables and relationships "my"
> programmer created.  He has one code table period!
> Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
> dbo_tblCodes
> CodeType         CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
> Ethnicity        1       Puerto Rican    1
> Ethnicity        2       Mexican         2
> Ethnicity        3       Cuban   3
> Ethnicity        4       Other Hispanic  4
> Ethnicity        5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
> Ethnicity        7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
> Ethnicity        9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
> Gender   1       Male    10
> Gender   2       Female  20
> Health   1       Poor    5
> Health   2       Fair    10
> Health   3       Good    15
> Health   4       Very Good       20
> Health   5       Excellent       25
> Health   9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
> This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic"
> here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see 
> what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
> TIA
> Ed
>
>
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 11:09:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:09:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>
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>I think it was pretty standard for all the xBase languages because it was
so hard to keep track of all the table files otherwise.

LOL.  I got a job one time rescuing a Paradox database that was crumbling.
It had well over TWO THOUSAND files in dozens of directories.  It was not
pleasant trying to get the data out of it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep track of
all the table files otherwise.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

He is probably an ex-FoxPro developer.
They were one of the ones that got into
doing a single table like that for all
of the lookups.

It is flat out bad design.

Show him the correct way, yours.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
>From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,      "Access Developers discussion
and
>         problem solving"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9 at ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi All,
>I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding

>what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an 
>application in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., 
>county code and county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider 
>Name.  I have them as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of

>the tables and relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code
table period!
>Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
>dbo_tblCodes
>CodeType        CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
>Ethnicity       1       Puerto Rican    1
>Ethnicity       2       Mexican 2
>Ethnicity       3       Cuban   3
>Ethnicity       4       Other Hispanic  4
>Ethnicity       5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
>Ethnicity       7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
>Ethnicity       9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
>Gender  1       Male    10
>Gender  2       Female  20
>Health  1       Poor    5
>Health  2       Fair    10
>Health  3       Good    15
>Health  4       Very Good       20
>Health  5       Excellent       25
>Health  9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
>This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his 
>"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate 
>to see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
>TIA
>Ed
>
>
>Edward P. Tesiny
>Assistant Director for Evaluation
>Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450

>Western Ave.
>Albany, New York  12203-3526
>Phone:  (518) 485-7189
>Fax:  (518) 485-5769
>Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 11:13:00 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:13:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <004401c7868a$e4fdde00$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<004401c7868a$e4fdde00$657aa8c0@m6805>
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<shudder>  You have my deepest sympathy in retrospect!  Been there, done
that, bought the mouse pad.

Charlotte  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

>I think it was pretty standard for all the xBase languages because it 
>was
so hard to keep track of all the table files otherwise.

LOL.  I got a job one time rescuing a Paradox database that was
crumbling.
It had well over TWO THOUSAND files in dozens of directories.  It was
not pleasant trying to get the data out of it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep
track of all the table files otherwise.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

He is probably an ex-FoxPro developer.
They were one of the ones that got into
doing a single table like that for all
of the lookups.

It is flat out bad design.

Show him the correct way, yours.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
>From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,      "Access Developers discussion
and
>         problem solving"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9 at ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi All,
>I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding

>what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an 
>application in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., 
>county code and county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider 
>Name.  I have them as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of

>the tables and relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code
table period!
>Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
>dbo_tblCodes
>CodeType        CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
>Ethnicity       1       Puerto Rican    1
>Ethnicity       2       Mexican 2
>Ethnicity       3       Cuban   3
>Ethnicity       4       Other Hispanic  4
>Ethnicity       5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
>Ethnicity       7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
>Ethnicity       9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
>Gender  1       Male    10
>Gender  2       Female  20
>Health  1       Poor    5
>Health  2       Fair    10
>Health  3       Good    15
>Health  4       Very Good       20
>Health  5       Excellent       25
>Health  9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
>This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his 
>"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate 
>to see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
>TIA
>Ed
>
>
>Edward P. Tesiny
>Assistant Director for Evaluation
>Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450

>Western Ave.
>Albany, New York  12203-3526
>Phone:  (518) 485-7189
>Fax:  (518) 485-5769
>Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 11:26:56 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:26:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <015d01c7868d$60b7fdd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yes - a code based solution to a relational theory based PITA ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 11:41:43 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:41:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704240855t7a6f5d90nc7337197ebc8ed9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704240855t7a6f5d90nc7337197ebc8ed9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016a01c7868f$717ed010$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I think it was bad design due to the limitations of some of the DB products
of the time.

Also, another reason it was done was for the end user's sake. Basically
there would be one table with lookups and values and the user could add or
edit new lookups types and values which would be loaded to a UI form via a
DB View.  Although it could have been done using other methods, it was one
method of accomplishing something that needed to be done. I didn't like it
back then and I dislike it even more now. I migrated data from the DB
(Informix) that held this methodology into a normalized SQL Server DB - I
had to set up many filters to get the lookup tables migrated! And that
wasn't the only non-standard methodology used in the Informix DB :o(

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

For those who care about theory, this model is a definite no-no. A table
(relation) is a collection of like entities, and since there is no
observable penalty for the number of tables (unless it goes into the
thousands), then IMO it is asinine, not to mention theoretically unsound, to
use one table for several purposes.

Assuming that you choose the one-table route, then you must create views or
UDFs to isolate the collection of interest. Given the overhead involved in
doing that (and the more rows, the more overhead), what do you gain by
stuffing a bunch of unlike entities into a single table?



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 11:47:19 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:47:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <016c01c78690$3a8a4020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yes, that could be a drag - a good reason during that era to use R:Base. It
had three files Data, Index, Notes(memo) field data.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep track of
all the table files otherwise.



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 12:20:33 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:20:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241724.l3OHO65p020120@databaseadvisors.com>

Charlotte,

Personally, my Clipper stuff was normalized. The Fox guys
thought they could get away with the bad design because of the
advantage that the Rushmore technology used in the idexing
gave to them.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:58:01 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58 at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
>standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep
>track of all the table files otherwise.
>
>Charlotte Foust




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 12:22:28 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:22:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241724.l3OHO6jw020122@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

Try setting up a linked server using the text files as the server files.
This would allow SQL Server to operate as if they were SQL files.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:07:11 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <004301c7868a$9e6cd590$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
>the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
>large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
>largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
>read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
>starts appending all of the assembled records.
>
>If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
>Alas, I am not.
>
>John W. Colby




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 12:23:44 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:23:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241729.l3OHT5it021503@databaseadvisors.com>

The real Paradox was that Paradox even worked.  :-)

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:09:10 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <004401c7868a$e4fdde00$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> >I think it was pretty standard for all the xBase languages because it was
>so hard to keep track of all the table files otherwise.
>
>LOL.  I got a job one time rescuing a Paradox database that was crumbling.
>It had well over TWO THOUSAND files in dozens of directories.  It was not
>pleasant trying to get the data out of it.
>
>John W. Colby




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Apr 24 12:33:21 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:33:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241724.l3OHO6jw020122@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869DE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

John
 
Have not worked with such large text files. But here are some links to areas with similar needs. You might pick up an idea or two.
 
http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware4/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=130552&ixReplies=16
 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms139941.aspx
 
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.sqlserver.programming/browse_thread/thread/d11a50d085985781/b16c9cc3cbbef69f%23b16c9cc3cbbef69f
 
http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/mladenp/articles/10631.aspx
 
HTH
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Apr 24 12:47:57 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:47:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <017e01c78698$b27dd350$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense in
setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are all
the same.

  And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.  They
are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a description.
That's it.  No more and no less.

  It would be a different matter if I had something like this:

Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
OnOrder Form
Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
Null  
Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
Null
Ethnicity	 1	       Puerto Rican       Null           Null
1	
Ethnicity	 2           Mexican            Null           Null
2

  Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.

  This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type, I
keep them all in the same table.

  I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.  Lot
less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be opened,
closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.

My .02
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 13:06:33 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:06:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <200704241724.l3OHO65p020120@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241724.l3OHO65p020120@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C6E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Clipper was a special case.  I never programmed in it, but I effectively
"debugged" commercial apps we used that were built in it. <groan>

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:21 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

Charlotte,

Personally, my Clipper stuff was normalized. The Fox guys thought they
could get away with the bad design because of the advantage that the
Rushmore technology used in the idexing gave to them.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:58:01 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>
<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58 at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was 
>pretty standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to 
>keep track of all the table files otherwise.
>
>Charlotte Foust


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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Apr 24 13:12:35 2007
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:12:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
Message-ID: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D206@jgexch1.jenkens.com>

I agree.  The only thing I would do is make sure the ID is unique regardless
of the code type.  Having a multiple field key does cause more problems.  As
I pointed out, if you want to add the functionality to the front end of
being able to define some custom combo or list boxes, custom codes are often
needed too.  This offers the ability to recycle a previous list (Yes/no is a
common recycled list) or create a new one from scratch.

I use a commercial product that uses a consolidated code table and party
table for just that reason.  It has made the interface very customizable by
a reasonably savvy end user with no programming experience and no access to
the server to add new tables.

The views of each code type are a convenience, not a necessity.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables



  Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense in
setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are all
the same.

  And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.  They
are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a description.
That's it.  No more and no less.

  It would be a different matter if I had something like this:

Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
OnOrder Form
Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
Null  
Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
Null
Ethnicity	 1	       Puerto Rican       Null           Null
1	
Ethnicity	 2           Mexican            Null           Null
2

  Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.

  This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type, I
keep them all in the same table.

  I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.  Lot
less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be opened,
closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.

My .02
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 13:14:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:14:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <017e01c78698$b27dd350$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<017e01c78698$b27dd350$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C6F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I think your approach is the cousin to John's SysVars and my
USysSettings tables, Jim.  In my USysSettings table, every value is a
string that gets translated to the appropriate datatype in the public
function that retrieves it.  I break out my multi-record lookup values
that have different structures, i.e., fields that don't apply to other
types, etc., or where they would require a multi-field key to insure
uniqueness.  If the CodeID is numeric in one set of values and a string
in another, they go in different tables anyhow.

I can see using your approach in a class to wrap the separate tables,
but I'd still want the tables broken out. :-}

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables


  Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense
in setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are
all the same.

  And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.
They are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a
description.
That's it.  No more and no less.

  It would be a different matter if I had something like this:

Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
OnOrder Form
Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
Null  
Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
Null
Ethnicity	 1	       Puerto Rican       Null           Null
1	
Ethnicity	 2           Mexican            Null           Null
2

  Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.

  This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type,
I keep them all in the same table.

  I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.
Lot less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be
opened, closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.

My .02
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and
problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 24 13:47:43 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:47:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B2FB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <004201c786a1$0b4582f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 24 14:14:19 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:14:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JH000F13NXIHH60@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Here is a basic... very basic MS Windows SQL 2005 Stored Procedure
introduction video:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/3/8/b3847275-2bea-440a-8e2e-305b009
bb261/sql_12.wmv

HTH
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Gustav,

My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
for a given file.

I have never written a stored procedure.
Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
code.

So much to learn, so little time.

Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.

And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
need to get this process automated.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be
more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO
and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from
the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize
logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't
seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you
can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for
you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true
experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these
files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without
manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 16:15:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:15:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <0JH000F13NXIHH60@l-daemon>
References: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0@m6805> <0JH000F13NXIHH60@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <008b01c786b5$baa422b0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Thanks,

I am looking at it now.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John:

Here is a basic... very basic MS Windows SQL 2005 Stored Procedure
introduction video:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/3/8/b3847275-2bea-440a-8e2e-305b009
bb261/sql_12.wmv

HTH
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Gustav,

My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
for a given file.

I have never written a stored procedure.
Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
code.

So much to learn, so little time.

Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.

And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
need to get this process automated.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be
more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO
and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from
the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize
logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't
seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you
can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for
you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true
experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these
files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without
manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Apr 24 16:36:05 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:36:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241724.l3OHO6jw020122@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00ca01c786b8$911c3d80$0302a8c0@Laptop>

John,

I've read through your description and see the bottlenecks.
All I can think of is that you could have this running distributed
across machines (but I know you thought of that).

Robert,

Please explain your idea a little further - how to set up.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


> John,
>
> Try setting up a linked server using the text files as the server files.
> This would allow SQL Server to operate as if they were SQL files.
>
> Robert
>
> At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:07:11 -0400
>>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <004301c7868a$9e6cd590$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that 
>>pulls
>>the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These 
>>are
>>large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
>>largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does 
>>not
>>read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and 
>>then
>>starts appending all of the assembled records.
>>
>>If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
>>Alas, I am not.
>>
>>John W. Colby
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 17:24:23 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:24:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-07 18:07 >>>
The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 17:26:52 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:26:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62ea06b.095@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-07 18:07 >>>
The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby




From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Tue Apr 24 17:24:07 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:24:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <000601c78671$5b442ed0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
	<000601c78671$5b442ed0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <200704250824.09584.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

Thanks Dan,

I was pretty panicky yesterday when this happened and didn't think of going 
through the "normal" diagnostics as you suggest.  

For interest sakes, other databases with conditional formatting suffered the
same problem.  I haven't the luxury of more than one windows PC here, so I 
haven't tried step 2. 
What I did was log out and back in to see if the environment was corrupted 
somehow.  This didn't fix the problem.  Then, grasping at straws, I power 
cycled the PC.  Now its back up and the formats are all back to normal.

Much relief!  Thanks for the "calm down and think it through" suggest.  
Whatever the keystroke sequence is that sets the high res mode, it must do 
something deep inside the OS though, I cant see why logout/login wouldn't fix 
it.

As regards setting the format in code, that's what I am partway through.  
Getting the visual effect needed for the multiplicity of conditions was the 
first task and it was quicker to use the format design tool to tweak the 
various colors.

regards
Bruce
  
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 23:06, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Can't help with the home address!
>
> I would first try to rule out that something has happened to your PC.  Put
> your database on another PC to see what happens.  Do you have any other
> databases that use conditional formatting?
>
> Then on your PC, create a new small database and then see if conditional
> formatting works.
>
> You can try importing a couple of your objects to a new database.
>
> I use conditional formatting quite a bit but haven't seen this problem.
>
> Long term, conditional formatting can be established through code.  This
> would hopefully reset your forms/reports even if your PC did this again.
>
> Hope this helps - and good luck!
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
> and
> 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> WAY
>
> TO CANCEL IT!
>
> Guess what, all the conditional formats are now black-on-defaultbackground.
>
> Recovered the backup taken 30 minutes ago, still the same.  Went back to
> this
> mornings backup, still the same. Changed the display mode back to normal XP
> defaults, ... still the same.
>
> 1. Has anyone got any idea how to fix this?
> 2. Can anyone give me the home address of the M$ MORON who did this to me?
>
> --
> regards
>
> Bruce
> --
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 24 18:06:01 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:06:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704250824.09584.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au><000601c78671$5b442ed0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<200704250824.09584.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <003901c786c5$20b17ad0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Glad to help!

I had a problem with conditional formatting a few years ago.  MS did
acknowledge that it was a bug - they even sent me a follow-up email telling
me that they weren't going to charge me for their help because I had solved
the problem myself!  :-)

The solution at the time was to multiply a numeric value in the conditional
format expression field by 1.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

Thanks Dan,

I was pretty panicky yesterday when this happened and didn't think of going 
through the "normal" diagnostics as you suggest.  

For interest sakes, other databases with conditional formatting suffered the
same problem.  I haven't the luxury of more than one windows PC here, so I 
haven't tried step 2. 
What I did was log out and back in to see if the environment was corrupted 
somehow.  This didn't fix the problem.  Then, grasping at straws, I power 
cycled the PC.  Now its back up and the formats are all back to normal.

Much relief!  Thanks for the "calm down and think it through" suggest.  
Whatever the keystroke sequence is that sets the high res mode, it must do 
something deep inside the OS though, I cant see why logout/login wouldn't
fix 
it.

As regards setting the format in code, that's what I am partway through.  
Getting the visual effect needed for the multiplicity of conditions was the 
first task and it was quicker to use the format design tool to tweak the 
various colors.

regards
Bruce
  
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 23:06, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Can't help with the home address!
>
> I would first try to rule out that something has happened to your PC.  Put
> your database on another PC to see what happens.  Do you have any other
> databases that use conditional formatting?
>
> Then on your PC, create a new small database and then see if conditional
> formatting works.
>
> You can try importing a couple of your objects to a new database.
>
> I use conditional formatting quite a bit but haven't seen this problem.
>
> Long term, conditional formatting can be established through code.  This
> would hopefully reset your forms/reports even if your PC did this again.
>
> Hope this helps - and good luck!
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
> and
> 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> WAY
>
> TO CANCEL IT!
>
> Guess what, all the conditional formats are now
black-on-defaultbackground.
>
> Recovered the backup taken 30 minutes ago, still the same.  Went back to
> this
> mornings backup, still the same. Changed the display mode back to normal
XP
> defaults, ... still the same.
>
> 1. Has anyone got any idea how to fix this?
> 2. Can anyone give me the home address of the M$ MORON who did this to me?
>
> --
> regards
>
> Bruce
> --
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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Tue Apr 24 18:31:35 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:31:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <000b01c78685$76c7dad0$0432fad1@SusanOne>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
	<000b01c78685$76c7dad0$0432fad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

Hi Susan,

Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor for 
injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There are 
essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and statuses. 
The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and 4 
levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real 
objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's normal 
status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer" 
or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on the 
operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the object, 
its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot or 
develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm and 
stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the realtime 
stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at 
the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an overall 
view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a 
particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).

So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For 
certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector may 
need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it 
will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of course 
there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states.  Rather 
than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set 
the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this app 
to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.  

There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around 
10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up the 
major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so its 
important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by quickly 
scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The 
treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of node 
selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the fly, 
say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in etc 
etc.

Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!

regards
Bruce

 
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with the
> problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
>
> Susan H.
>
> After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
> and
> 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> WAY TO CANCEL IT!


From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Apr 24 18:51:52 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:51:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.  Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.  I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 9:59 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables



Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.

dbo_tblCodes
CodeType         CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm   
Ethnicity        1       Puerto Rican    1     
Ethnicity        2       Mexican         2     
Ethnicity        3       Cuban   3     
Ethnicity        4       Other Hispanic  4     
Ethnicity        5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5     
Ethnicity        7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6     
Ethnicity        9       Don't Know/No Answer    7     
Gender   1       Male    10    
Gender   2       Female  20    
Health   1       Poor    5     
Health   2       Fair    10    
Health   3       Good    15    
Health   4       Very Good       20    
Health   5       Excellent       25    
Health   9       Don't Know/No Answer    80    

This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed


Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Tue Apr 24 19:47:13 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:47:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>
References: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002901c786d3$44482a30$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

John, 

Did you ever check out the BCP utility in SQL Server to import the files?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files
in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL
Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command
object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of
records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to
modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-07 18:07 >>>
The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 24 20:22:23 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:22:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au><000b01c78685$76c7dad0$0432fad1@SusanOne>
	<200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <003f01c786d8$2d679710$0200a8c0@danwaters>

That's Very interesting!

How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?

Dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

Hi Susan,

Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor for 
injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There
are 
essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and statuses. 
The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and 4 
levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real 
objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's
normal 
status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer" 
or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on
the 
operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the object, 
its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot or 
develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm and 
stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the realtime 
stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at 
the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an
overall 
view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a 
particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).

So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For 
certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector may

need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it 
will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of course

there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states.  Rather

than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set 
the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this app 
to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.  

There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around 
10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up
the 
major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so
its 
important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by
quickly 
scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The 
treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of
node 
selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the fly,

say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in
etc 
etc.

Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!

regards
Bruce

 
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with
the
> problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
>
> Susan H.
>
> After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
> and
> 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> WAY TO CANCEL IT!
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From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr 24 21:58:30 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:58:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer
In-Reply-To: <015d01c7868d$60b7fdd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <010001c786e5$9b4ac5b0$7a02a8c0@LaptopXP>

I know there is an RTRIM() and LTRIM() in SQLServer, but is there one that
trims both ends, like the Access TRIM() function?

I want to do this in a SQLServer view.

John





From ebarro at verizon.net  Tue Apr 24 22:20:09 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:20:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer
In-Reply-To: <010001c786e5$9b4ac5b0$7a02a8c0@LaptopXP>
Message-ID: <0JH1005DDALREVGP@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

SELECT LTRIM(RTRIM(' foo ')) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer

I know there is an RTRIM() and LTRIM() in SQLServer, but is there one that
trims both ends, like the Access TRIM() function?

I want to do this in a SQLServer view.

John



 



From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr 24 22:25:15 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:25:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer
In-Reply-To: <0JH1005DDALREVGP@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <010901c786e9$5791bfa0$7a02a8c0@LaptopXP>

Yep, Makes sense. Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer

SELECT LTRIM(RTRIM(' foo ')) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer

I know there is an RTRIM() and LTRIM() in SQLServer, but is there one that
trims both ends, like the Access TRIM() function?

I want to do this in a SQLServer view.

John



 

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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Wed Apr 25 05:15:55 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:15:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <003f01c786d8$2d679710$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
	<200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
	<003f01c786d8$2d679710$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <200704252015.56198.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

Ah now that's a real tricky piece of work. :-)  

Basically the realtime monitors log every measurement they make (~26-46 per 
minute) to a text file with the first 20 bytes being a DTS.  All I'm doing is 
everytime this app gets invoked is to read the log file, ignore anything that 
is less than the "last stamp I know of" and process the rest.  Tricky eh! and 
now I've told you, I'm afraid I'll have to ....

Sometimes simple is best.  Dont forget, these people open the app 1 or 2 times 
per shift, check things out and close it.  It's not doing or pretending to be 
am "active" monitor, just something to make the operator's life a bit easier 
than walking around a 2 acre floor, taking and logging readings, correlating 
them to the current job mix, checking the mix against the 
schedule.........etc etc.    Actually, these guys spend most of their shift 
walking the floor.  Apart from die jams, which happen every couple of hours 
or so, most of the time they ...  wait for it

essentially use their faces to detect if anything is slightly aberrent.

That is, these people can "just tell" by walking past a machine line whether 
it sounds, smells, looks and feels like its going full bore and OK.  

Currently, we are working on "feels", i.e the operating temps amd feed rates. 
If I can get into the "sounds, smells and looks" regime. I'll be applying for 
patents and making an aggressive takeover for M$ ... :-)

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:22, Dan Waters wrote:
> That's Very interesting!
>
> How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor for
> injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There
> are
> essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and statuses.
> The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and 4
> levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real
> objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's
> normal
> status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer"
> or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on
> the
> operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the object,
> its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot or
> develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm and
> stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the realtime
> stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at
> the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an
> overall
> view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a
> particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).
>
> So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For
> certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector
> may
>
> need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it
> will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of
> course
>
> there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states. 
> Rather
>
> than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set
> the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this app
> to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.
>
> There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around
> 10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up
> the
> major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so
> its
> important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by
> quickly
> scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The
> treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of
> node
> selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the
> fly,
>
> say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in
> etc
> etc.
>
> Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!
>
> regards
> Bruce
>
> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> > default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with
>
> the
>
> > problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65
> > forms and
> > 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> > produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> > WAY TO CANCEL IT!
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 06:30:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:30:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <002901c786d3$44482a30$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk> <002901c786d3$44482a30$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <002f01c7872d$153fa880$657aa8c0@m6805>

Bobby,

I have not.  I have always meant to go study that but life (other work) got
in the way.  Maybe today I will get a moment.

So much to know, so little time. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John, 

Did you ever check out the BCP utility in SQL Server to import the files?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files
in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL
Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command
object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of
records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to
modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-07 18:07 >>>
The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a 
>new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 07:06:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:06:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>
References: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003001c78732$1ee35d00$657aa8c0@m6805>

Gustav,

Yesterday afternoon I started looking at something similar.  

First I tried to just write a sql statement for each record and execute that
against SQL Server.  That runs about 300 records / second.  The advantage it
has is that is "one step", i.e. there is no "convert to csv" and then
"import to SQL Server".  ATM the "import to SQL Server requires manual work
on my part so this is truly automated from start to finish.  I unzip the
files to a directory, then my (Access/VBA) program picks up all the files
one by one and processes them, automatically.  Unfortunately processing 100
million records at 300 / second turns into 92.5 hours.  Fortunately it is
totally automatic, barring some outside influence such as disk full, power
loss, mangled file etc.

I then tried to write a DAO recordset to a temp table inside of Access.
Working directly with the recordset I AddNew / iterate the fields filling in
the data pulled from the flat file line, Update, do it again.  This creates
the temp table records at a rate of about 1000 per second but the MDB gets
HUGE, remember that the source files are often multi-gigabyte monstrosities.
Then appending the entire table to SQL Server just takes forever.

So essentially I tried your suggestion:

>  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

And it does work, it is automatic and it is painfully slow.  OTOH, I just
used a Dao database object and used db.execute to send the data to sql
server.

Do you think it would be faster using the ADO method?

I am now timing having a dao.db.execute append an entire linked CSV file
into SQL Server.

In the end, I think that I can go with any of these methods as long as it
does not require manual intervention.  I already have CSVs generated for the
majority of these flat files.  I can do the rest and then just use Access /
VBA to bang the CSV files in to SQL Server.  If it takes four days well...
It will be done by Monday.

I really want to switch to VB.Net for all of this bit twiddling.  I think I
will use VB.Net to do the part where I pull the name / address stuff back
out to CSVs for feeding to Accuzip.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files
in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL
Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command
object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of
records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to
modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 25 08:01:27 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:01:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704252015.56198.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au><200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au><003f01c786d8$2d679710$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<200704252015.56198.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c78739$d6461030$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Nice!  If you can get into the sounds, smells, and looks you'll have
manufacturers knocking down your door!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

Ah now that's a real tricky piece of work. :-)  

Basically the realtime monitors log every measurement they make (~26-46 per 
minute) to a text file with the first 20 bytes being a DTS.  All I'm doing
is 
everytime this app gets invoked is to read the log file, ignore anything
that 
is less than the "last stamp I know of" and process the rest.  Tricky eh!
and 
now I've told you, I'm afraid I'll have to ....

Sometimes simple is best.  Dont forget, these people open the app 1 or 2
times 
per shift, check things out and close it.  It's not doing or pretending to
be 
am "active" monitor, just something to make the operator's life a bit easier

than walking around a 2 acre floor, taking and logging readings, correlating

them to the current job mix, checking the mix against the 
schedule.........etc etc.    Actually, these guys spend most of their shift 
walking the floor.  Apart from die jams, which happen every couple of hours 
or so, most of the time they ...  wait for it

essentially use their faces to detect if anything is slightly aberrent.

That is, these people can "just tell" by walking past a machine line whether

it sounds, smells, looks and feels like its going full bore and OK.  

Currently, we are working on "feels", i.e the operating temps amd feed
rates. 
If I can get into the "sounds, smells and looks" regime. I'll be applying
for 
patents and making an aggressive takeover for M$ ... :-)

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:22, Dan Waters wrote:
> That's Very interesting!
>
> How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor
for
> injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There
> are
> essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and
statuses.
> The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and
4
> levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real
> objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's
> normal
> status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer"
> or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on
> the
> operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the
object,
> its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot
or
> develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm
and
> stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the
realtime
> stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at
> the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an
> overall
> view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a
> particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).
>
> So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For
> certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector
> may
>
> need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it
> will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of
> course
>
> there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states. 
> Rather
>
> than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set
> the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this
app
> to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.
>
> There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around
> 10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up
> the
> major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so
> its
> important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by
> quickly
> scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The
> treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of
> node
> selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the
> fly,
>
> say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in
> etc
> etc.
>
> Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!
>
> regards
> Bruce
>
> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> > default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with
>
> the
>
> > problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65
> > forms and
> > 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> > produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> > WAY TO CANCEL IT!
>
> --
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 25 08:01:29 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:01:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62f6d53.014@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I'm not sure you may get much faster than about 1000 records/s with ADO.
Here's what I have tried:

Public Function AppendBatchADO(ByVal lngRows As Long)

' Inserts about 1000 records/s.

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
  Dim strSQL  As String
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
  cnn.ConnectionString = "DSN=Test;DATABASE=TestDb;"

  cnn.Open , "SA", "password"
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseServer

    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      strSQL = "Insert Into dbo.Sample Values ( " & _
        CStr(lngRow) & "," & _
        "'Name'," & _
        "'Address'," & _
        CStr(1) & ")"
      cmd.CommandText = strSQL
      cnn.Execute cmd.CommandText, , adCmdText + adExecuteNoRecords
    Next
  cnn.Close
  
  Set cmd = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

The advantage would be, that you can handle whatever size of input file, read one line, convert it, and insert it. Done. Next line.
You could probably set up several instances to handle several files simultaneously.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 25-04-2007 14:06 >>>
Gustav,

Yesterday afternoon I started looking at something similar.  

First I tried to just write a sql statement for each record and execute that
against SQL Server.  That runs about 300 records / second.  The advantage it
has is that is "one step", i.e. there is no "convert to csv" and then
"import to SQL Server".  ATM the "import to SQL Server requires manual work
on my part so this is truly automated from start to finish.  I unzip the
files to a directory, then my (Access/VBA) program picks up all the files
one by one and processes them, automatically.  Unfortunately processing 100
million records at 300 / second turns into 92.5 hours.  Fortunately it is
totally automatic, barring some outside influence such as disk full, power
loss, mangled file etc.

I then tried to write a DAO recordset to a temp table inside of Access.
Working directly with the recordset I AddNew / iterate the fields filling in
the data pulled from the flat file line, Update, do it again.  This creates
the temp table records at a rate of about 1000 per second but the MDB gets
HUGE, remember that the source files are often multi-gigabyte monstrosities.
Then appending the entire table to SQL Server just takes forever.

So essentially I tried your suggestion:

>  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

And it does work, it is automatic and it is painfully slow.  OTOH, I just
used a Dao database object and used db.execute to send the data to sql
server.

Do you think it would be faster using the ADO method?

I am now timing having a dao.db.execute append an entire linked CSV file
into SQL Server.

In the end, I think that I can go with any of these methods as long as it
does not require manual intervention.  I already have CSVs generated for the
majority of these flat files.  I can do the rest and then just use Access /
VBA to bang the CSV files in to SQL Server.  If it takes four days well...
It will be done by Monday.

I really want to switch to VB.Net for all of this bit twiddling.  I think I
will use VB.Net to do the part where I pull the name / address stuff back
out to CSVs for feeding to Accuzip.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files
in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL
Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command
object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of
records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to
modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 08:10:29 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:10:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

FWIW
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.
Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it
productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.
I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down
and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is
ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 9:59 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables



Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.

dbo_tblCodes
CodeType         CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm   
Ethnicity        1       Puerto Rican    1     
Ethnicity        2       Mexican         2     
Ethnicity        3       Cuban   3     
Ethnicity        4       Other Hispanic  4     
Ethnicity        5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5     
Ethnicity        7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6     
Ethnicity        9       Don't Know/No Answer    7     
Gender   1       Male    10    
Gender   2       Female  20    
Health   1       Poor    5     
Health   2       Fair    10    
Health   3       Good    15    
Health   4       Very Good       20    
Health   5       Excellent       25    
Health   9       Don't Know/No Answer    80    

This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed


Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr 25 08:12:16 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:12:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704251316.l3PDGNju025938@databaseadvisors.com>

Debbie and Jim (and anyone else that thinks of this as good design),

Sorry, but it is PURE BAD design. And Jim, just because you
do it in all your apps does not make it right or good design.
Most of the money I make and the highest prices I charge are
for fixing poorly designed Access applications.

IT is NOT relational in any stretch of the imagination.
If you think so, then you need to go back and review
relational theory.

You can make a very customizable interface for the user
with good design also.

So if you want the ultimate in flexibility (and bad design)
here you go:

tblEntity

EntityID
EntityDescription

tblEntityAttribute
EntityAttributeID
EntityID
AttributeID
AttributeValue
AttributeComments

tblAttribute
AttributeID
AttributeDescription

tblRelatedEntities
RelatedEntityID
ParentEntityID
ChildEntityID

There, that is all you will need forever to define whatever
you need to store data for.  Here is an example:

tblEntity
EntityID        EntityDescription
    1            Robert
    2            Sales Order
    3            Address

tblAttribute
AttributeID     AttributeDescription
    1            AddressLine1
    2            City
    3            State
    4            PostalCode
    5            OrderNumber
    6            OrderDate
    7            CustomerNumber

tblEntityAttribute
EntityAttributeID  EntityID   AttributeID  AttributValue  AttributeComments
   1                   3           1        123 IDK St.
   2                   3           2        Bellville
   3                   3           3        TX
   4                   2           5        2007-02-12-01
   5                   2           6        2/12/2007
   6                   2           7        1

tblRelatedEntities
RelatedEntityID  ParentEntityID  ChildEntityID
   1                   1              3

Well, there you go, the ultimate in flexibility and bad design.

Now go back and review what the first 3 normal forms are before
you spout off that a single code table is not bad design and
does not violate normalization rules again. They are not the same
entity. You obviously do not know the definition of 'entity' either.

And Debbie, just because a commercial product has it in it, does
not make it good either.  I have a number of commercial products
out and NONE of them are given to this poor design concept.

Robert

At 07:47 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:12:35 -0500
>From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D206 at jgexch1.jenkens.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>I agree.  The only thing I would do is make sure the ID is unique regardless
>of the code type.  Having a multiple field key does cause more problems.  As
>I pointed out, if you want to add the functionality to the front end of
>being able to define some custom combo or list boxes, custom codes are often
>needed too.  This offers the ability to recycle a previous list (Yes/no is a
>common recycled list) or create a new one from scratch.
>
>I use a commercial product that uses a consolidated code table and party
>table for just that reason.  It has made the interface very customizable by
>a reasonably savvy end user with no programming experience and no access to
>the server to add new tables.
>
>The views of each code type are a convenience, not a necessity.
>
>Debbie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:48 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
>
>
>   Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense in
>setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are all
>the same.
>
>   And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.  They
>are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a description.
>That's it.  No more and no less.
>
>   It would be a different matter if I had something like this:
>
>Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
>OnOrder Form
>Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
>Null
>Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
>Null
>Ethnicity       1              Puerto Rican       Null           Null
>1
>Ethnicity       2           Mexican            Null           Null
>2
>
>   Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
>have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.
>
>   This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
>"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type, I
>keep them all in the same table.
>
>   I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.  Lot
>less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be opened,
>closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.
>
>My .02
>Jim.




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr 25 08:15:19 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:15:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704251316.l3PDGNtY025939@databaseadvisors.com>

You need to go to the books on line and read up on Linked Servers.
It is not that difficult to do.  But, once done, it is very simple
to access the information.  You can even link Access tables to SQL
Server this way.

Robert

At 07:47 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:36:05 -0400
>From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <00ca01c786b8$911c3d80$0302a8c0 at Laptop>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>         reply-type=original
>
>John,
>
>I've read through your description and see the bottlenecks.
>All I can think of is that you could have this running distributed
>across machines (but I know you thought of that).
>
>Robert,
>
>Please explain your idea a little further - how to set up.
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>MapPoint & Access Dev




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Apr 25 08:29:21 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:29:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704251316.l3PDGNtY025939@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <022e01c7873d$bceafca0$0302a8c0@Laptop>

'Linked Servers'
That'll work - thanks

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


> You need to go to the books on line and read up on Linked Servers.
> It is not that difficult to do.  But, once done, it is very simple
> to access the information.  You can even link Access tables to SQL
> Server this way.
> 
> Robert
> 
> At 07:47 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:36:05 -0400
>>From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <00ca01c786b8$911c3d80$0302a8c0 at Laptop>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>         reply-type=original
>>
>>John,
>>
>>I've read through your description and see the bottlenecks.
>>All I can think of is that you could have this running distributed
>>across machines (but I know you thought of that).
>>
>>Robert,
>>
>>Please explain your idea a little further - how to set up.
>>
>>Michael R. Mattys
>>MapPoint & Access Dev
> 
> 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Apr 25 08:33:31 2007
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:33:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
Message-ID: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D211@jgexch1.jenkens.com>

Never thought that just because a commercial product does it that it is most
correct.  I have had product (including from this same manufacturer) that I
have cursed for bad design.  I would prefer separate tables, but in this
instance, it does solve a practical problem in that customers can create new
code types without table changes and it does it with a minimum of problems.
Practical solution to a problem.  

Would I use this exclusively, no, and I do not unless there is some chance
that a customer would need to create their own lookup table that cannot be
glommed on to an existing one.  Even in that case I would be inclined to
make separate tables for the defaults and one like this for the user created
ones.

In the annals of bad design, this ranks near the bottom of my list and does
have it's useful point.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Stewart [mailto:rl_stewart at highstream.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables


Debbie and Jim (and anyone else that thinks of this as good design),

Sorry, but it is PURE BAD design. And Jim, just because you
do it in all your apps does not make it right or good design.
Most of the money I make and the highest prices I charge are
for fixing poorly designed Access applications.

IT is NOT relational in any stretch of the imagination.
If you think so, then you need to go back and review
relational theory.

You can make a very customizable interface for the user
with good design also.

So if you want the ultimate in flexibility (and bad design)
here you go:

tblEntity

EntityID
EntityDescription

tblEntityAttribute
EntityAttributeID
EntityID
AttributeID
AttributeValue
AttributeComments

tblAttribute
AttributeID
AttributeDescription

tblRelatedEntities
RelatedEntityID
ParentEntityID
ChildEntityID

There, that is all you will need forever to define whatever
you need to store data for.  Here is an example:

tblEntity
EntityID        EntityDescription
    1            Robert
    2            Sales Order
    3            Address

tblAttribute
AttributeID     AttributeDescription
    1            AddressLine1
    2            City
    3            State
    4            PostalCode
    5            OrderNumber
    6            OrderDate
    7            CustomerNumber

tblEntityAttribute
EntityAttributeID  EntityID   AttributeID  AttributValue  AttributeComments
   1                   3           1        123 IDK St.
   2                   3           2        Bellville
   3                   3           3        TX
   4                   2           5        2007-02-12-01
   5                   2           6        2/12/2007
   6                   2           7        1

tblRelatedEntities
RelatedEntityID  ParentEntityID  ChildEntityID
   1                   1              3

Well, there you go, the ultimate in flexibility and bad design.

Now go back and review what the first 3 normal forms are before
you spout off that a single code table is not bad design and
does not violate normalization rules again. They are not the same
entity. You obviously do not know the definition of 'entity' either.

And Debbie, just because a commercial product has it in it, does
not make it good either.  I have a number of commercial products
out and NONE of them are given to this poor design concept.

Robert

At 07:47 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:12:35 -0500
>From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D206 at jgexch1.jenkens.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>I agree.  The only thing I would do is make sure the ID is unique
regardless
>of the code type.  Having a multiple field key does cause more problems.
As
>I pointed out, if you want to add the functionality to the front end of
>being able to define some custom combo or list boxes, custom codes are
often
>needed too.  This offers the ability to recycle a previous list (Yes/no is
a
>common recycled list) or create a new one from scratch.
>
>I use a commercial product that uses a consolidated code table and party
>table for just that reason.  It has made the interface very customizable by
>a reasonably savvy end user with no programming experience and no access to
>the server to add new tables.
>
>The views of each code type are a convenience, not a necessity.
>
>Debbie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:48 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
>
>
>   Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense
in
>setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are all
>the same.
>
>   And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.
They
>are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a description.
>That's it.  No more and no less.
>
>   It would be a different matter if I had something like this:
>
>Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
>OnOrder Form
>Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
>Null
>Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
>Null
>Ethnicity       1              Puerto Rican       Null           Null
>1
>Ethnicity       2           Mexican            Null           Null
>2
>
>   Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
>have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.
>
>   This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
>"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type, I
>keep them all in the same table.
>
>   I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.
Lot
>less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be opened,
>closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.
>
>My .02
>Jim.


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 08:35:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <003101c7873e$a68a44b0$657aa8c0@m6805>

I pretty much have to agree Jim.  Given a LookupID as you use to relate the
record back to other records then you are good to go.  The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:

Chrg		Visa

and 

Charge	MC 

Then if you simply filtered in Charge you would not pick up Chrg.

If they filled in a second table with Charge and then used that in a combo
to select the lookup type, you could use the PKID of the LookupType table
and always pick up all Charge records.

Of course that now becomes TWO tables to maintain, but still less than N
tables.

tblLookupType
LT_ID		LT_Type
1		Charge
2		Shipping
3		State

tblLookupDetail
LD_ID		LD_LTID	LD_Details
1		1		MC
2		1		Visa
3		1		Am Ex
4		2		Fed Ex
5		2		UPS
6		2		USPS
7		3		AZ
8		3		CA


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

FWIW
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.
Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it
productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.
I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down
and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is
ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 25 09:07:13 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:07:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <00e301c78743$06e70330$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Jim,
These are the pro side arguments of this type of design that I've heard in
the past (and well put BTW).

As in all things relational - theory is theory and practical is practical.
Theory can be taken too far for practicality. When is the last time anyone
here worked on a completely normalized (per Codd) data structure?

IMO as long as you know which road you're taking, practical is OK. If I
hired you as a programmer and you wanted to take this approach I'd be OK
with it. But then I've seen a lot reasons to be confident in your abilities.
Same with a number of people here. I'd certainly want documentation on it so
that the next person who worked on it could understand it without spending a
lot of time on it. On the other if some newbie came up with this idea I'd
not be quite so accepting. Talent and experience go a long way in
determining flexibility ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Apr 25 09:35:00 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:35:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB2B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

Very interesting stuff. Now that you are out of panic mode I've been dying
to ask how do you "accidentally" hit
'ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose'? (I didn't dare ask yesterday)
Reminds me of Nixon's secretary who had to simultaneously hit keys with her
hands and feet to "accidentally" erase 15 minutes of Watergate tapes.
Inquiring minds want to know :-)
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!


Ah now that's a real tricky piece of work. :-)  

Basically the realtime monitors log every measurement they make (~26-46 per 
minute) to a text file with the first 20 bytes being a DTS.  All I'm doing
is 
everytime this app gets invoked is to read the log file, ignore anything
that 
is less than the "last stamp I know of" and process the rest.  Tricky eh!
and 
now I've told you, I'm afraid I'll have to ....

Sometimes simple is best.  Dont forget, these people open the app 1 or 2
times 
per shift, check things out and close it.  It's not doing or pretending to
be 
am "active" monitor, just something to make the operator's life a bit easier

than walking around a 2 acre floor, taking and logging readings, correlating

them to the current job mix, checking the mix against the 
schedule.........etc etc.    Actually, these guys spend most of their shift 
walking the floor.  Apart from die jams, which happen every couple of hours 
or so, most of the time they ...  wait for it

essentially use their faces to detect if anything is slightly aberrent.

That is, these people can "just tell" by walking past a machine line whether

it sounds, smells, looks and feels like its going full bore and OK.  

Currently, we are working on "feels", i.e the operating temps amd feed
rates. 
If I can get into the "sounds, smells and looks" regime. I'll be applying
for 
patents and making an aggressive takeover for M$ ... :-)

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:22, Dan Waters wrote:
> That's Very interesting!
>
> How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?
>
> Dan
>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 09:45:41 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:45:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
Message-ID: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 09:51:41 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:51:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>

As always, immediately after I pressed Send I discovered the answer.  

=if((E3="x"),0,C3)

Now why doesn't IIF work?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Wed Apr 25 09:58:27 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:58:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCEFPENAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I think in Excel it's just 'if' not 'iif' - just one i

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
> 
> 
> I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
>  
> =iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
>  
> IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the 
> current cell
> = 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
>  
> All I get is the infamous #Name?
>  
> Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
>  
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 10:01:11 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:01:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704250801m15e52152k2e6bc1ab1bd0aae2@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/25/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> As always, immediately after I pressed Send I discovered the answer.
>
> =if((E3="x"),0,C3)
>
> Now why doesn't IIF work?

'Cause IIF is not a valid function in Excel Formulas.

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 10:01:26 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:01:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JH20030I72LFWF7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

Because IIF is not a supported function in Excel. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

As always, immediately after I pressed Send I discovered the answer.  

=if((E3="x"),0,C3)

Now why doesn't IIF work?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Apr 25 09:58:25 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:58:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB2D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

Use if not iif
-Rudyard Kipling

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell


I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
John W. Colby
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Apr 25 10:21:58 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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In Excel the function is simply IF
Also you don't need the parens around the logical test.

=If(E3="x",0,C3)

HTH

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:46 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 10:38:11 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:38:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <00e301c78743$06e70330$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
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John,

<<These are the pro side arguments of this type of design that I've heard in
the past (and well put BTW).>>

 Thanks.

<<When is the last time anyone
here worked on a completely normalized (per Codd) data structure?>>

  Not in recent history I think<g>

<<MO as long as you know which road you're taking, practical is OK.>>

  That is a great point.  I used to be very hung up about getting it
"right".  It took me quite a while to learn that "right" is not always
practical or best for a given situation.

  You need to know the pros and cons of the various approaches and what the
ramifications will be.  As long as you know what your working with and can
make it clear to others why that route was chosen, then I see nothing wrong
with using a more practical approach.

  That's why even though I now understand that a single lookup table is
technically wrong, I probably won't change anything.  What I have works and
it works pretty well.  The only real issue I have to deal with is to
remember to use a view rather then binding directly to the table when
working with the database directly.  For the things I gain in the app, that
seems to be a good trade off and a fairly safe one.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Jim,
These are the pro side arguments of this type of design that I've heard in
the past (and well put BTW).

As in all things relational - theory is theory and practical is practical.
Theory can be taken too far for practicality. When is the last time anyone
here worked on a completely normalized (per Codd) data structure?

IMO as long as you know which road you're taking, practical is OK. If I
hired you as a programmer and you wanted to take this approach I'd be OK
with it. But then I've seen a lot reasons to be confident in your abilities.
Same with a number of people here. I'd certainly want documentation on it so
that the next person who worked on it could understand it without spending a
lot of time on it. On the other if some newbie came up with this idea I'd
not be quite so accepting. Talent and experience go a long way in
determining flexibility ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 10:38:11 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:38:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <003101c7873e$a68a44b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
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	<003101c7873e$a68a44b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <014301c7874f$bf992780$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

<< The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:>>

  Yes, that is what I do.  I have one maintenance form to maintain those two
tables.  The tblLookupType is bound to a drop down, then a grid to handle
the tblLookupValues, which is filtered by the combo.

  I also include a field on tblLookupType "UserModify", which is a yes/no
indicating if the lookup values are modifiable by the end user.

  Certain types of lookups that I store in the table are coded into the app
in some way shape or form and should not be changed.  For example, a
Transaction status of Open (0), Closed (1), and Archived (2).  Rather then
code that in as a property or doing it in code, I just stuff it in the
lookup table.  This makes it very easy to convert to different languages.

Jim.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

I pretty much have to agree Jim.  Given a LookupID as you use to relate the
record back to other records then you are good to go.  The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:

Chrg		Visa

and 

Charge	MC 

Then if you simply filtered in Charge you would not pick up Chrg.

If they filled in a second table with Charge and then used that in a combo
to select the lookup type, you could use the PKID of the LookupType table
and always pick up all Charge records.

Of course that now becomes TWO tables to maintain, but still less than N
tables.

tblLookupType
LT_ID		LT_Type
1		Charge
2		Shipping
3		State

tblLookupDetail
LD_ID		LD_LTID	LD_Details
1		1		MC
2		1		Visa
3		1		Am Ex
4		2		Fed Ex
5		2		UPS
6		2		USPS
7		3		AZ
8		3		CA


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

FWIW
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.
Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it
productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.
I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down
and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is
ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 10:53:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:53:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <014301c7874f$bf992780$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS><003101c7873e$a68a44b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<014301c7874f$bf992780$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <004701c78751$d5ce0d20$657aa8c0@m6805>

BTW, doing it this way once again makes it (more) normalized - object /
object detail.  The object is now the lookup type, the detail records apply
equally to all objects.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

John,

<< The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:>>

  Yes, that is what I do.  I have one maintenance form to maintain those two
tables.  The tblLookupType is bound to a drop down, then a grid to handle
the tblLookupValues, which is filtered by the combo.

  I also include a field on tblLookupType "UserModify", which is a yes/no
indicating if the lookup values are modifiable by the end user.

  Certain types of lookups that I store in the table are coded into the app
in some way shape or form and should not be changed.  For example, a
Transaction status of Open (0), Closed (1), and Archived (2).  Rather then
code that in as a property or doing it in code, I just stuff it in the
lookup table.  This makes it very easy to convert to different languages.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

I pretty much have to agree Jim.  Given a LookupID as you use to relate the
record back to other records then you are good to go.  The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:

Chrg		Visa

and 

Charge	MC 

Then if you simply filtered in Charge you would not pick up Chrg.

If they filled in a second table with Charge and then used that in a combo
to select the lookup type, you could use the PKID of the LookupType table
and always pick up all Charge records.

Of course that now becomes TWO tables to maintain, but still less than N
tables.

tblLookupType
LT_ID		LT_Type
1		Charge
2		Shipping
3		State

tblLookupDetail
LD_ID		LD_LTID	LD_Details
1		1		MC
2		1		Visa
3		1		Am Ex
4		2		Fed Ex
5		2		UPS
6		2		USPS
7		3		AZ
8		3		CA


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

FWIW
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.
Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it
productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.
I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down
and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is
ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 25 15:21:18 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:21:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704252015.56198.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <0JH200LRPLP0UYQ4@l-daemon>

Hi All:

Just a note on this discussion and this may be a bit off topic but: A MS SQL
server can be setup to monitor multiple ports. There is a SQL Server Network
Utility (SQL 2000) and the SQL Server Configuration Manager tool (SQL 2005)
which allows this configuration. Example: SQL server listening on
157.54.178.42:1433, 157.54.178.42:5000, 127.0.0.1:1433, 127.0.0.1:5000
etc... Virtually any IP address and port option. 

See articles http://support.microsoft.com/kb/294453 and
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189310.aspx

I have not tested this to see whether the functionality can be extended the
Express version. A friend, using this technology has a system that can
monitor a large number of controllers (Neptune Project
-http://www.neptune.washington.edu/pub/whats_neptune/whats_neptune.html).
There would be a bit of work if the protocols differ from standards but
considering that the DB is designed to sustain thousands of hits per minute
it might be an idea to utilize the existing technology. An Access GUI would
just be used to display the results.

HTH
Jim   


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

Ah now that's a real tricky piece of work. :-)  

Basically the realtime monitors log every measurement they make (~26-46 per 
minute) to a text file with the first 20 bytes being a DTS.  All I'm doing
is 
everytime this app gets invoked is to read the log file, ignore anything
that 
is less than the "last stamp I know of" and process the rest.  Tricky eh!
and 
now I've told you, I'm afraid I'll have to ....

Sometimes simple is best.  Dont forget, these people open the app 1 or 2
times 
per shift, check things out and close it.  It's not doing or pretending to
be 
am "active" monitor, just something to make the operator's life a bit easier

than walking around a 2 acre floor, taking and logging readings, correlating

them to the current job mix, checking the mix against the 
schedule.........etc etc.    Actually, these guys spend most of their shift 
walking the floor.  Apart from die jams, which happen every couple of hours 
or so, most of the time they ...  wait for it

essentially use their faces to detect if anything is slightly aberrent.

That is, these people can "just tell" by walking past a machine line whether

it sounds, smells, looks and feels like its going full bore and OK.  

Currently, we are working on "feels", i.e the operating temps amd feed
rates. 
If I can get into the "sounds, smells and looks" regime. I'll be applying
for 
patents and making an aggressive takeover for M$ ... :-)

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:22, Dan Waters wrote:
> That's Very interesting!
>
> How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor
for
> injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There
> are
> essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and
statuses.
> The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and
4
> levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real
> objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's
> normal
> status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer"
> or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on
> the
> operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the
object,
> its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot
or
> develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm
and
> stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the
realtime
> stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at
> the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an
> overall
> view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a
> particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).
>
> So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For
> certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector
> may
>
> need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it
> will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of
> course
>
> there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states. 
> Rather
>
> than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set
> the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this
app
> to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.
>
> There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around
> 10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up
> the
> major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so
> its
> important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by
> quickly
> scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The
> treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of
> node
> selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the
> fly,
>
> say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in
> etc
> etc.
>
> Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!
>
> regards
> Bruce
>
> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> > default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with
>
> the
>
> > problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65
> > forms and
> > 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> > produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> > WAY TO CANCEL IT!
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 25 15:26:21 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:26:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JH200M7GLXFFLP4@l-daemon>

...Because it is not needed. Why the iif command was created when the
functionality could have been extended to the already existing if statement
has always been beyond me.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

As always, immediately after I pressed Send I discovered the answer.  

=if((E3="x"),0,C3)

Now why doesn't IIF work?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
John W. Colby
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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 16:30:56 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:30:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704251430s210ffaf5x7ea6110a60fb6325@mail.gmail.com>

same reason why datediff in excel does not work; gotta use datedif (missing
one F)

On 4/25/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>
> Now why doesn't IIF work?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
> --
> Billy Pang
> http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
> "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
> Italian proverb


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr 26 08:18:00 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:18:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: WinZip Courier Problem
Message-ID: <001301c78805$50cc9fb0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

For those who may be considering WinZip's new Courier service, there's a
small problem.  If you upload a file with a .EXE extension, it is delivered
without the extension.  So when the user tries to run it it comes up with
the 'what program do you want to use to open this file?" prompt.  Since I'm
sending mostly setup files created by Wise, this is a serious problem.

They currently have no fix for this other than the workaround that the user
need to be advised to add the .EXE to the file before running it.  

Regards,

Rocky



 	
	



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 26 09:28:51 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:28:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
Message-ID: <s630d350.038@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Anyone having the Action Pack? Finally, the above title arrived but it won't install.
It keeps popping a message:

  Please insert the disk: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition - ENU Disk 2

but there is no disk 2.
This appears during the very first install item, "Microsoft Visual Studio 2005", and the file ..\Common7\Tools\VDT\vdt80.dll

I've browsed all over the net and can find some hints mostly related to downloaded images burned/saved to cd/iso with wrong titles, but this is the original cd which doesn't carry any info that it should be "Disk 1".
I've also tried to copy to cd to a folder and install from that, and also to disable antivirus but to no avail.

I had VB 2005 Express and Web Express installed (with no errors) but those were uninstalled first.

Any hints?

/gustav




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 11:16:21 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:16:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
In-Reply-To: <s630d350.038@cactus.dk>
References: <s630d350.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704260916y311eeb9fqa9a55fb57b262de0@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have the Action Pack but I do have VS 2005 Standard Edition and it
does have a Disk 2.

On 4/26/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Anyone having the Action Pack? Finally, the above title arrived but it
> won't install.
> It keeps popping a message:
>
> Please insert the disk: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition -
> ENU Disk 2
>
> but there is no disk 2.
> This appears during the very first install item, "Microsoft Visual Studio
> 2005", and the file ..\Common7\Tools\VDT\vdt80.dll
>
> I've browsed all over the net and can find some hints mostly related to
> downloaded images burned/saved to cd/iso with wrong titles, but this is the
> original cd which doesn't carry any info that it should be "Disk 1".
> I've also tried to copy to cd to a folder and install from that, and also
> to disable antivirus but to no avail.
>
> I had VB 2005 Express and Web Express installed (with no errors) but those
> were uninstalled first.
>
> Any hints?
>
> /gustav
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 26 11:40:56 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:40:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
Message-ID: <s630f248.047@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

OK, thanks, that explains.
Then that disk probably will arrive with the next update - in three months ...

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 26-04-2007 18:16 >>>
I don't have the Action Pack but I do have VS 2005 Standard Edition and it
does have a Disk 2.

On 4/26/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Anyone having the Action Pack? Finally, the above title arrived but it
> won't install.
> It keeps popping a message:
>
> Please insert the disk: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition -
> ENU Disk 2
>
> but there is no disk 2.
> This appears during the very first install item, "Microsoft Visual Studio
> 2005", and the file ..\Common7\Tools\VDT\vdt80.dll
>
> I've browsed all over the net and can find some hints mostly related to
> downloaded images burned/saved to cd/iso with wrong titles, but this is the
> original cd which doesn't carry any info that it should be "Disk 1".
> I've also tried to copy to cd to a folder and install from that, and also
> to disable antivirus but to no avail.
>
> I had VB 2005 Express and Web Express installed (with no errors) but those
> were uninstalled first.
>
> Any hints?
>
> /gustav




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 26 12:25:23 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:25:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
In-Reply-To: <s630f248.047@cactus.dk>
References: <s630f248.047@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <037401c78827$e047c350$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

The first shipment of MSDN comes with everything and then gets updated
afterwards. Seems odd that they wouldn't do the same with the Action Pack
(but I don't know for sure as I don't get that).

I'd advise you contact the MS rep and check on it.





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 26 21:51:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:51:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
Message-ID: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>

I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access for
one reason or another.  These include things like 
 
* doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action when a
file appears.
* FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
* Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote mainframe
 
To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
 
Header Rec
Detail Rec
Detail Rec
Detail Rec
.
.
Trailer Rec
 
The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is coming
from, the date of the file etc.
 
The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients, payment
dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the check number
etc.
 
The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of checks,
the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
 
I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it works, but
it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to reference specific libs,
go outside of VBA to handle things like the file system and text streams (in
an object oriented manner) and so forth.  There are no threads so a single
error can hang the system, and things that should happen in parallel have to
happen sequentially.
 
So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  What I
am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) deployed to the
desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more than one person, often
at the same time.  At the moment, because they are Access / vba based, I
just do a copy down to the desktop (a single file) and open the mdb.  A form
opens and the user goes to work.  These applets are under constant
development, literally daily as I finish one report another is started.  Bug
fixes are done.
 
I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed as
well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the vehicle for
this distribution?  
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Apr 26 22:02:43 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:02:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0128968B@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi John,

ClickOnce sounds perfect for your situation.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/t71a733d(VS.80).aspx

cheers


Michael M



I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access
for one reason or another.  These include things like 
 
* doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action when
a file appears.
* FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
* Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote mainframe
 
To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
 
Header Rec
Detail Rec
Detail Rec
Detail Rec
.
.
Trailer Rec
 
The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is
coming from, the date of the file etc.
 
The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients,
payment dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the
check number etc.
 
The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of
checks, the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
 
I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it works,
but it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to reference
specific libs, go outside of VBA to handle things like the file system
and text streams (in an object oriented manner) and so forth.  There are
no threads so a single error can hang the system, and things that should
happen in parallel have to happen sequentially.
 
So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  What
I am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) deployed to
the desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more than one
person, often at the same time.  At the moment, because they are Access
/ vba based, I just do a copy down to the desktop (a single file) and
open the mdb.  A form opens and the user goes to work.  These applets
are under constant development, literally daily as I finish one report
another is started.  Bug fixes are done.
 
I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed as
well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the vehicle
for this distribution?  
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 02:03:36 2007
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:03:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <AceGehVTw0Cm8nAXR2OUSvY25bkumg==>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00704270003g6b983f3bv688997d9e630689f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Ed,

I have seen this in an Oracle database on one accasion.  Of course, it is
not a relational database when you store lookup tables like this, or at
least, it is no possible to enforce good referential integrity.  But... in
that company, once we got used to the little function that we used to
retrieve values from the lookup, it worked a treat.  And to make matters
even better, when we wanted a new lookup table added, we could do it
ourselves without having to go to a DBA.  In that company, they have about
one hundred look tables, so it was neater than if they were all stored in
seperate tables.

In summary, I would not do it, but I did see it working effectively.

Mark



On 24/04/07, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
> what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
> in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
> county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
> as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
> relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
> Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
> CodeType     CodeId     CodeName                OrderOnForm
> Ethnicity      1        Puerto Rican                 1
> Ethnicity      2        Mexican                      2
> Ethnicity      3        Cuban                        3
> Ethnicity      4        Other Hispanic               4
> Ethnicity      5        Hispanic, Not Specified/Known5
> Ethnicity      7        Not of Hispanic Origin       6
> Ethnicity      9        Don't Know/No Answer         7
> Gender         1        Male                        10
> Gender         2        Female                      20
> Health         1        Poor                         5
> Health         2        Fair                        10
> Health         3        Good                        15
> Health         4        Very Good                   20
> Health         5        Excellent                   25
> Health         9        Don't Know/No Answer        80
>
>
> This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
> "logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
> see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
> TIA
> Ed
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 03:52:17 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:52:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>

One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that, the One-Click
technology in .NET should please you immensely. While you explore that, I
also suggest a terrific product called Total Commander, which is a
Windows-based "clone" + extension of Norton Commander, and includes FTP
facilities, so you could use it to get immediately to your goal, while you
experiment with the One-Click .NET technology.

A.


On 4/26/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access for
> one reason or another.  These include things like
>
> * doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action when a
> file appears.
> * FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
> * Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote mainframe
>
> To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
>
> Header Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> .
> .
> Trailer Rec
>
> The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is
> coming
> from, the date of the file etc.
>
> The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients, payment
> dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the check number
> etc.
>
> The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of checks,
> the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
>
> I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it works,
> but
> it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to reference specific
> libs,
> go outside of VBA to handle things like the file system and text streams
> (in
> an object oriented manner) and so forth.  There are no threads so a single
> error can hang the system, and things that should happen in parallel have
> to
> happen sequentially.
>
> So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  What I
> am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) deployed to the
> desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more than one person,
> often
> at the same time.  At the moment, because they are Access / vba based, I
> just do a copy down to the desktop (a single file) and open the mdb.  A
> form
> opens and the user goes to work.  These applets are under constant
> development, literally daily as I finish one report another is
> started.  Bug
> fixes are done.
>
> I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed as
> well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the vehicle
> for
> this distribution?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 07:39:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c788c9$1943db70$657aa8c0@m6805>

>One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that

LOL, so what, is that term reserved for Java now?  Applet = little
application to me.  Java is so unimportant to me that I have no problem in
borrowing the term to mean something actually useful.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions

One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that, the One-Click
technology in .NET should please you immensely. While you explore that, I
also suggest a terrific product called Total Commander, which is a
Windows-based "clone" + extension of Norton Commander, and includes FTP
facilities, so you could use it to get immediately to your goal, while you
experiment with the One-Click .NET technology.

A.


On 4/26/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access 
> for one reason or another.  These include things like
>
> * doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action 
> when a file appears.
> * FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
> * Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote 
> mainframe
>
> To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
>
> Header Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> .
> .
> Trailer Rec
>
> The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is 
> coming from, the date of the file etc.
>
> The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients, 
> payment dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the 
> check number etc.
>
> The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of 
> checks, the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
>
> I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it 
> works, but it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to 
> reference specific libs, go outside of VBA to handle things like the 
> file system and text streams (in an object oriented manner) and so 
> forth.  There are no threads so a single error can hang the system, 
> and things that should happen in parallel have to happen sequentially.
>
> So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  
> What I am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) 
> deployed to the desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more 
> than one person, often at the same time.  At the moment, because they 
> are Access / vba based, I just do a copy down to the desktop (a single 
> file) and open the mdb.  A form opens and the user goes to work.  
> These applets are under constant development, literally daily as I 
> finish one report another is started.  Bug fixes are done.
>
> I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed 
> as well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the 
> vehicle for this distribution?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 27 08:07:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:07:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <004201c786a1$0b4582f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001d01c788cd$14c02b40$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 08:26:22 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:26:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
Message-ID: <s632162d.053@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, but this package is an addendum - special for Small Business Partners - and it doesn't even contain the usual list of included and previously supplied cd/dvd roms.
I've sent a notice to the MS distribution center hoping they will sort it out.

/gustav

>>> john at winhaven.net 26-04-2007 19:25 >>>
The first shipment of MSDN comes with everything and then gets updated
afterwards. Seems odd that they wouldn't do the same with the Action Pack
(but I don't know for sure as I don't get that).

I'd advise you contact the MS rep and check on it.



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 08:34:03 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:34:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <001d01c788cd$14c02b40$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004201c786a1$0b4582f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001d01c788cd$14c02b40$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000401c788d0$b9f0f560$5101a8c0@LT>

You could try:-

    Dim objMe As Outlook.Recipient instead of just Recipient.

I always do things like Dim objOutlook as outlook.application, etc.
Expressly state what the object is.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 27 08:54:10 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:54:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <000401c788d0$b9f0f560$5101a8c0@LT>
Message-ID: <003001c788d3$88684400$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Max:

Then where would I reference outlook.application in the code?  Or is the Dim
all that's necessary?  Wouldn't I need a Set statement as well and then a
reference to it in the doe?

TIA

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

You could try:-

    Dim objMe As Outlook.Recipient instead of just Recipient.

I always do things like Dim objOutlook as outlook.application, etc.
Expressly state what the object is.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:01:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:01:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <00d501c788c9$1943db70$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<00d501c788c9$1943db70$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270701i38d99d1cle20d9c712648c7a5@mail.gmail.com>

Oh sorry, JC, it's only the most widely used programming language in the
world, but when you're stepping on toes, why not step on the big toe? An
applet is a chunk of Java code that runs inside a web page. Incidentally,
that is not my statistic but Information Week's. That's why I'm learning it
now. Actually, I'm on a crash course at the moment. I'm learning Java, Perl
and C#/VB.NET (they are so similar they might as well be one language, but
there is an objective difference -- you can charge more money for C#; c.f.
Visual Studio magazine's stats).

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that
>
> LOL, so what, is that term reserved for Java now?  Applet = little
> application to me.  Java is so unimportant to me that I have no problem in
> borrowing the term to mean something actually useful.
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 09:10:08 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:10:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 09:11:00 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:11:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01c788d5$e24e1c90$657aa8c0@m6805>

>I also suggest a terrific product called Total Commander, which is a
Windows-based "clone" + extension of Norton Commander, and includes FTP
facilities, so you could use it to get immediately to your goal, while you
experiment with the One-Click .NET technology.

My goal isn't a file manager replacement.  My goal is a program which ftps
files down to the local hard drive, unzips them, unencrypts them, and loads
them into a database.  Each such file is specific to one particular client
insurer (client of my client) and there are potentially dozens of them, a
half dozen at the moment.  Each from a different company, each coming from a
different FTP site (obviously), each formatted differently (but with
patterns which allow a generic solution).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions

One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that, the One-Click
technology in .NET should please you immensely. While you explore that, I
also suggest a terrific product called Total Commander, which is a
Windows-based "clone" + extension of Norton Commander, and includes FTP
facilities, so you could use it to get immediately to your goal, while you
experiment with the One-Click .NET technology.

A.


On 4/26/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access 
> for one reason or another.  These include things like
>
> * doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action 
> when a file appears.
> * FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
> * Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote 
> mainframe
>
> To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
>
> Header Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> .
> .
> Trailer Rec
>
> The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is 
> coming from, the date of the file etc.
>
> The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients, 
> payment dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the 
> check number etc.
>
> The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of 
> checks, the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
>
> I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it 
> works, but it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to 
> reference specific libs, go outside of VBA to handle things like the 
> file system and text streams (in an object oriented manner) and so 
> forth.  There are no threads so a single error can hang the system, 
> and things that should happen in parallel have to happen sequentially.
>
> So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  
> What I am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) 
> deployed to the desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more 
> than one person, often at the same time.  At the moment, because they 
> are Access / vba based, I just do a copy down to the desktop (a single 
> file) and open the mdb.  A form opens and the user goes to work.  
> These applets are under constant development, literally daily as I 
> finish one report another is started.  Bug fixes are done.
>
> I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed 
> as well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the 
> vehicle for this distribution?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 09:21:34 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:21:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270701i38d99d1cle20d9c712648c7a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805><29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com><00d501c788c9$1943db70$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270701i38d99d1cle20d9c712648c7a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ef01c788d7$5c7583e0$657aa8c0@m6805>

ROTFL.  If I actually ever gave a crap about stepping on toes it might, I
suppose, matter (but very damned little as it turns out).  If I stepped on
yours, well... 

Given that soldiers are dying in Iraq, men, women and children are dying in
civil wars all over Africa, opium is the largest cash crop in Afghanistan,
children are used as sex slaves all over the world, the average factory
worker in China makes just a few dollars a day... well... Hmmm...

Just how important is this again?  Java rates about 1 on a scale of 1^99 in
the grander scheme of things and my borrowing a term from that rates
somewhere about 1^9999999 in the scheme of things.

If my borrowing the term bothers you, I would have to say go work on one of
the problems above and then come back in a year and tell me how much it
really matters.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions

Oh sorry, JC, it's only the most widely used programming language in the
world, but when you're stepping on toes, why not step on the big toe? An
applet is a chunk of Java code that runs inside a web page. Incidentally,
that is not my statistic but Information Week's. That's why I'm learning it
now. Actually, I'm on a crash course at the moment. I'm learning Java, Perl
and C#/VB.NET (they are so similar they might as well be one language, but
there is an objective difference -- you can charge more money for C#; c.f.
Visual Studio magazine's stats).

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that
>
> LOL, so what, is that term reserved for Java now?  Applet = little 
> application to me.  Java is so unimportant to me that I have no 
> problem in borrowing the term to mean something actually useful.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:24:50 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:24:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c788d5$e24e1c90$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ee01c788d5$e24e1c90$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270724g2e0614fdk6e6c7b5315a167@mail.gmail.com>

You're not going to get this all in one package, I think. But for the SQL
database creation/installation part, have a look at Red Gate's SQL Packager.
It is amazing. Once you create said package, any number of FTP tools will do
the rest for you. Virtually all FTP tools are scriptable, so you can make
them do anything you want, assuming that the recipient has granted you the
authority to do so.

A.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:28:40 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:28:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270728n57536681x88d0bf1bc88180b3@mail.gmail.com>

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly since
MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio Magazine and
CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google vbJumpStart
and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this book so good that
I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than Access.

Arthur


On 4/27/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
> start?
> The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
> handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
> 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...
>
> In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
> 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
> worth the effort to study?
>
> I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic
> seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
> discuss Access here?
>
> One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
> third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
> preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.
>
> Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
> development is second, and game development won't come into play.
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> /gustav
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 09:30:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:30:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Gustav,

I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.

I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
express versions do not provide. 

As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
stuff, then I can re-examine my options.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems
to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 09:31:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:31:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270724g2e0614fdk6e6c7b5315a167@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805><29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com><00ee01c788d5$e24e1c90$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270724g2e0614fdk6e6c7b5315a167@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f201c788d8$cdd26660$657aa8c0@m6805>

Yes, I use 3DFTP which is an amazing package and scriptable.  It turns out
that FTP is one of the things not native to the .Net framework (not sure
why) so a third party tool is required.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions

You're not going to get this all in one package, I think. But for the SQL
database creation/installation part, have a look at Red Gate's SQL Packager.
It is amazing. Once you create said package, any number of FTP tools will do
the rest for you. Virtually all FTP tools are scriptable, so you can make
them do anything you want, assuming that the recipient has granted you the
authority to do so.

A.
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr 27 09:43:32 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:43:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JH500LK8VKOP2S9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

Gustav,

The book that helped me transition my Access/VB skills to the .NET world was

ASP.NET Tips, Tutorials, AND CODE (emphasis mine)

http://www.amazon.com/ASP-NET-Tips-Tutorials-Scott-Mitchell/dp/0672321432/re
f=sr_1_1/103-9789491-9429402?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177683655&sr=8-1

1. The biggest advantage I found in this book over those that I looked into
before buying this 2 yrs ago were the code snippets that clearly explained
and helped me transition my VB knowledge into VB.NET. The main code samples
that benefited me were on datasets, datagrids, arraylists and hashtables
because I was looking for a quick way to understand how .NET handled the
data access layer. I was already proficient in ADO and the examples that
included ADO.NET were very helpful.

2. Majority of the code in the first few chapters were devoted to VB.NET.
This was a big plus since I didn't need to or want to jump to .NET from my
VBA/VB background. The writers of course have samples in C# and it doesn't
take long to quickly transition to the C# version once you are comfortable
in VB.NET.

3. I bought this book precisely for the good code samples. I don't have the
time or patience either to wade through 50 pages of explanation when a few
lines of code smattered with comments would suffice.

The application development environment that helped me transition from VB to
VB.NET was Web Matrix. This was the pre-cursor to Visual Studio. Best of all
was that it was free. It worked great for coding but was very poor for page
layout so I had to use Dreamweaver for that purpose.

Today I develop web-based applications that interface with SQL Server
2000/2005 using C# as the programming language with VS.NET 2003 as the
development environment. Since I am quite proficient in HTML and javascript
(same syntax as C#), I no longer switch to Dreamweaver for page layout.
Instead I switch to HTML view and modify HTML and javascript code manually.

I have not transitioned from .NET ver 1.1 to 2.0. One of these days I will
probably skip 2.0 and move to 3.0.

For reporting I create custom reports using the regular .NET application
development route. I have also used Crystal Reports (which closely resembles
the Access band-type report generator) with SQL stored procedures. I've
stayed away from SQL Reporting Services because the version prior to 2005 is
limited in functionality although I've had to modify SQL Reporting Services
2000 code in VS.NET and also transitioned some of these reports to Crystal
Reports. As far as I'm concerned the major advantages of these two reporting
engines is the ease with which you can export the report data to any number
of formats (Excel, PDF, Word, ASCII, etc...) without any coding other than
knowing how to call those functions or utilize those classes to output the
report.

Today I have built my own data access layer, security layer and
common/utility libraries which I use for every project I develop in C#. I
have also built a couple of my own web controls that encapsulate
functionality such as CRUD operations to speed up the development cycle.

And I do agree...even if VB.NET and C# produce the same DLL, you can
definitely charge more money and have more respect as a C# developer
compared to a VB.NET developer. It's that same "Access is just a toy"
mentality.

Eric 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems
to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav



 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:49:37 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:49:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <003001c788d3$88684400$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000401c788d0$b9f0f560$5101a8c0@LT>
	<003001c788d3$88684400$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000b01c788db$49aeb430$5101a8c0@LT>

Hi Rocky
Try messing around with this.  I think I have used this function before.
No error handling in example
Max


Public Function pfSendEmail()

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset

  Dim strSubject As String

  Dim strText As String, bDisplayMsg As Boolean

  Set dbs = CurrentDb

  Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("QE_ActiveEmails")

  If rst.EOF Then

    GoTo exithere

  Else

    bDisplayMsg = False 'True

    Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application

    Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem

    Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient

    Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment

    ' Create the Outlook session.

    Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

    ' Create the message.

    strSubject = "Newsletter"

    strText = "Dear Supporter," & vbCrLf & _

    "Please note that the latest version of our Newsletters is now available
on our main website at ....etc, etc"    

    Call fStartClickYes(True)

    Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)

    'Always send to MGX (dummy which is valid) ,and BC to recipient to
prevent users seeing each others mail

    ' Add the To recipient(s) to the message.

    With objOutlookMsg

      Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("mgx at abcdef.org")

      objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo

      ' Set the Subject, Body, and Importance of the message.

      .Subject = strSubject

      .Body = strText & vbCrLf & vbCrLf

      '.Importance = olImportanceHigh  'High importance

 

      ' Add attachments to the message.

      'If Not IsMissing(AttachmentPath) Then

      '  Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(AttachmentPath)

      'End If

 

      ' Resolve each Recipient's name.

      'For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients

      '  objOutlookRecip.Resolve

      'Next

 

      rst.MoveFirst

      Do While Not rst.EOF

        If Len(rst!EmailUsed) > 0 and InStr(rst!EmailUsed, "@") > 0 Then

 

          ' Add the CC recipient(s) to the message.

          'Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("Name of person")

          'objOutlookRecip.Type = olCC

 

          ' Add the BCC recipient(s) to the message.

          Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(rst!EmailUsed)

          objOutlookRecip.Type = olBCC

 

        End If

        DoEvents ' give user time to cancel

        rst.MoveNext

      Loop

      ' add myself in as a BCC to see what it looks like.  should not see
anybody else's BCC address

      Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("me at myemailaddress.org")

      objOutlookRecip.Type = olBCC

      ' Should we display the message before sending?

      If bDisplayMsg Then

        .Display

      Else

        .Save

        .Send

      End If

    End With

    Call fStartClickYes(False)

  End If

exithere:

  'MsgBox "Done"

  Set objOutlook = Nothing: Set dbs = Nothing: Set rst = Nothing

  Exit Function

End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Max:

Then where would I reference outlook.application in the code?  Or is the Dim
all that's necessary?  Wouldn't I need a Set statement as well and then a
reference to it in the doe?

TIA

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

You could try:-

    Dim objMe As Outlook.Recipient instead of just Recipient.

I always do things like Dim objOutlook as outlook.application, etc.
Expressly state what the object is.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr 27 09:53:15 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:53:15 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000101c788db$c951dff0$6401a8c0@nant>

<<<
As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  
>>>
John,

VS2005 Professional has Crystal Reports - when one gets on speed with CR
they can make very advanced reports with it - the reports, which can't be
done with MS Access.

IOW every report, which can be done in MS Access can be done in CR. But the
opposite is not true. CR is (much) more powerful than MS Access Report
Generator...

Well, embedded in VS2005 CR IDE is limited comparing to professional version
of CR, still it (VS2005 CR) is good enough to design reports but after MS
Access report designer one usually feels that limited CR IDE as RPITA (There
is no any functionality of CR engine limited - just IDE).

And reports created with CR within VS2005 professional can be distributed
with royalty free CR engine, which can be downloaded from Internet...

What is also good with CR is that reports created for desktop applications
can be relatively easy moved to use from Web Server (CR Server (not free) is
needed for that) - there will be no need to do any redesign of these reports
and CR Server is "smart" enough and handles large reports in small chunks,
which can be quickly downloaded on client computer...


--
Shamil
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Gustav,

I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.

I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
express versions do not provide. 

As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
stuff, then I can re-examine my options.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems
to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:55:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:55:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk> <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270755o1deb4eb6t71769f3a175f0efa@mail.gmail.com>

Are you kidding? The report stuff in VS 2005 is killer technology! It blows
Access and Crystal and various other contenders out of the water. IMO it is
the definitive reporting technology extant.

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Gustav,
>
> I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got
> it
> at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
> and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.
>
> I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
> speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free
> and
> provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment
> anyway.
> Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
> express versions do not provide.
>
> As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
> Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
> actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
> report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the
> .Net
> stuff, then I can re-examine my options.
>
>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 10:00:51 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:00:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CC9@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Gustav,

If someone else is paying for it, the AppDev CBT on .Net is an excellent
starting point.  We used them in my office to bring the VBA duffers
(like me) up to speed in .Net.  It doesn't teach you all you need to
know, but it gets you firmly grounded in the basics.  After that, it
depends on your direction.  Web is different from Windows is distinct
from database apps, etc.

The 3rd party report generators are all built on extensions to the .Net
report generator, so it can't be that bad, but we use DataDynamics
ActiveReports because it is fairly similar to the Access report
generator and includes a conversion wizard, which is handy as a starting
place when porting the reports over.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where
to start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for
Access 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience
...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for
VS 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these
tutorials worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic
seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level
as we discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor
and third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to
be preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 10:05:07 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:05:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <000101c788db$c951dff0$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000101c788db$c951dff0$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <00f601c788dd$71c05ad0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Shamil,

Unfortunately what I have now is the standard version. Until such time as I
am actually doing paying work in the package I will not be buying the
professional version.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

<<<
As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  
>>>
John,

VS2005 Professional has Crystal Reports - when one gets on speed with CR
they can make very advanced reports with it - the reports, which can't be
done with MS Access.

IOW every report, which can be done in MS Access can be done in CR. But the
opposite is not true. CR is (much) more powerful than MS Access Report
Generator...

Well, embedded in VS2005 CR IDE is limited comparing to professional version
of CR, still it (VS2005 CR) is good enough to design reports but after MS
Access report designer one usually feels that limited CR IDE as RPITA (There
is no any functionality of CR engine limited - just IDE).

And reports created with CR within VS2005 professional can be distributed
with royalty free CR engine, which can be downloaded from Internet...

What is also good with CR is that reports created for desktop applications
can be relatively easy moved to use from Web Server (CR Server (not free) is
needed for that) - there will be no need to do any redesign of these reports
and CR Server is "smart" enough and handles large reports in small chunks,
which can be quickly downloaded on client computer...


--
Shamil
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Gustav,

I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.

I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
express versions do not provide. 

As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
stuff, then I can re-examine my options.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems
to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 10:10:44 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:10:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270728n57536681x88d0bf1bc88180b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
	<29f585dd0704270728n57536681x88d0bf1bc88180b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
"Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
Magazine and CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
Access.

Arthur


On 4/27/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But 
> where to start?
> The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and

> handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for 
> Access
> 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...
>
> In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs 
> for VS
> 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these 
> tutorials worth the effort to study?
>
> I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic 
> seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level

> as we discuss Access here?
>
> One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor 
> and third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are 
> to be preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of
Access.
>
> Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure 
> web development is second, and game development won't come into play.
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> /gustav
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr 27 10:19:34 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:19:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk><29f585dd0704270728n57536681x88d0bf1bc88180b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869FE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

www.asp.net
www.4guysfromrolla.com
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974465
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 27/04/2007 16:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?



But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
"Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
Magazine and CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
Access.

Arthur


On 4/27/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But
> where to start?
> The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and

> handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for
> Access
> 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...
>
> In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs
> for VS
> 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these
> tutorials worth the effort to study?
>
> I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic
> seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level

> as we discuss Access here?
>
> One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor
> and third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are
> to be preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of
Access.
>
> Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure
> web development is second, and game development won't come into play.
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> /gustav
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 27 10:39:40 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:39:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <000b01c788db$49aeb430$5101a8c0@LT>
Message-ID: <003f01c788e2$45915f90$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Max:

That would work EXCEPT.  The problem is not part of an Access app.  I've got
some code like that and it works real good.

But she wants to create, reply and/or forward emails in Outlook and have the
Bcc automagically add when creating, forwarding, or replying. And she wants
to see it before the mail is sent so she can delete the Bcc is it's not
appropriate.  Right now she's adding her assistant's email as a Bcc to about
80% of the messages she sends.

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Hi Rocky
Try messing around with this.  I think I have used this function before.
No error handling in example
Max


Public Function pfSendEmail()

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset

  Dim strSubject As String

  Dim strText As String, bDisplayMsg As Boolean

  Set dbs = CurrentDb

  Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("QE_ActiveEmails")

  If rst.EOF Then

    GoTo exithere

  Else

    bDisplayMsg = False 'True

    Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application

    Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem

    Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient

    Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment

    ' Create the Outlook session.

    Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

    ' Create the message.

    strSubject = "Newsletter"

    strText = "Dear Supporter," & vbCrLf & _

    "Please note that the latest version of our Newsletters is now available
on our main website at ....etc, etc"    

    Call fStartClickYes(True)

    Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)

    'Always send to MGX (dummy which is valid) ,and BC to recipient to
prevent users seeing each others mail

    ' Add the To recipient(s) to the message.

    With objOutlookMsg

      Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("mgx at abcdef.org")

      objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo

      ' Set the Subject, Body, and Importance of the message.

      .Subject = strSubject

      .Body = strText & vbCrLf & vbCrLf

      '.Importance = olImportanceHigh  'High importance

 

      ' Add attachments to the message.

      'If Not IsMissing(AttachmentPath) Then

      '  Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(AttachmentPath)

      'End If

 

      ' Resolve each Recipient's name.

      'For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients

      '  objOutlookRecip.Resolve

      'Next

 

      rst.MoveFirst

      Do While Not rst.EOF

        If Len(rst!EmailUsed) > 0 and InStr(rst!EmailUsed, "@") > 0 Then

 

          ' Add the CC recipient(s) to the message.

          'Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("Name of person")

          'objOutlookRecip.Type = olCC

 

          ' Add the BCC recipient(s) to the message.

          Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(rst!EmailUsed)

          objOutlookRecip.Type = olBCC

 

        End If

        DoEvents ' give user time to cancel

        rst.MoveNext

      Loop

      ' add myself in as a BCC to see what it looks like.  should not see
anybody else's BCC address

      Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("me at myemailaddress.org")

      objOutlookRecip.Type = olBCC

      ' Should we display the message before sending?

      If bDisplayMsg Then

        .Display

      Else

        .Save

        .Send

      End If

    End With

    Call fStartClickYes(False)

  End If

exithere:

  'MsgBox "Done"

  Set objOutlook = Nothing: Set dbs = Nothing: Set rst = Nothing

  Exit Function

End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Max:

Then where would I reference outlook.application in the code?  Or is the Dim
all that's necessary?  Wouldn't I need a Set statement as well and then a
reference to it in the doe?

TIA

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

You could try:-

    Dim objMe As Outlook.Recipient instead of just Recipient.

I always do things like Dim objOutlook as outlook.application, etc.
Expressly state what the object is.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 10:39:30 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:39:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6323566.058@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

All samples? It lists 470 on Visual Studio alone!

Found the JumpStart code download and the book: 

  http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/
  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/

Thanks!

/gustav



>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:28 >>>
Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly since
MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio Magazine and
CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google vbJumpStart
and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this book so good that
I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than Access.

Arthur




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 10:46:47 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:46:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6323728.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Eric

Thanks, very useful.
Are you joining a list like this, or do you manage on your own?

/gustav

>>> ebarro at verizon.net 27-04-2007 16:43 >>>
Gustav,

The book that helped me transition my Access/VB skills to the .NET world was

ASP.NET Tips, Tutorials, AND CODE (emphasis mine)

http://www.amazon.com/ASP-NET-Tips-Tutorials-Scott-Mitchell/dp/0672321432/re 
f=sr_1_1/103-9789491-9429402?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177683655&sr=8-1

1. The biggest advantage I found in this book over those that I looked into
before buying this 2 yrs ago were the code snippets that clearly explained
and helped me transition my VB knowledge into VB.NET. The main code samples
that benefited me were on datasets, datagrids, arraylists and hashtables
because I was looking for a quick way to understand how .NET handled the
data access layer. I was already proficient in ADO and the examples that
included ADO.NET were very helpful.

2. Majority of the code in the first few chapters were devoted to VB.NET.
This was a big plus since I didn't need to or want to jump to .NET from my
VBA/VB background. The writers of course have samples in C# and it doesn't
take long to quickly transition to the C# version once you are comfortable
in VB.NET.

3. I bought this book precisely for the good code samples. I don't have the
time or patience either to wade through 50 pages of explanation when a few
lines of code smattered with comments would suffice.

The application development environment that helped me transition from VB to
VB.NET was Web Matrix. This was the pre-cursor to Visual Studio. Best of all
was that it was free. It worked great for coding but was very poor for page
layout so I had to use Dreamweaver for that purpose.

Today I develop web-based applications that interface with SQL Server
2000/2005 using C# as the programming language with VS.NET 2003 as the
development environment. Since I am quite proficient in HTML and javascript
(same syntax as C#), I no longer switch to Dreamweaver for page layout.
Instead I switch to HTML view and modify HTML and javascript code manually.

I have not transitioned from .NET ver 1.1 to 2.0. One of these days I will
probably skip 2.0 and move to 3.0.

For reporting I create custom reports using the regular .NET application
development route. I have also used Crystal Reports (which closely resembles
the Access band-type report generator) with SQL stored procedures. I've
stayed away from SQL Reporting Services because the version prior to 2005 is
limited in functionality although I've had to modify SQL Reporting Services
2000 code in VS.NET and also transitioned some of these reports to Crystal
Reports. As far as I'm concerned the major advantages of these two reporting
engines is the ease with which you can export the report data to any number
of formats (Excel, PDF, Word, ASCII, etc...) without any coding other than
knowing how to call those functions or utilize those classes to output the
report.

Today I have built my own data access layer, security layer and
common/utility libraries which I use for every project I develop in C#. I
have also built a couple of my own web controls that encapsulate
functionality such as CRUD operations to speed up the development cycle.

And I do agree...even if VB.NET and C# produce the same DLL, you can
definitely charge more money and have more respect as a C# developer
compared to a VB.NET developer. It's that same "Access is just a toy"
mentality.

Eric 





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 10:53:13 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:53:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words as I like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen to Shamil and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may encounter, reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:55 >>>
Are you kidding? The report stuff in VS 2005 is killer technology! It blows
Access and Crystal and various other contenders out of the water. IMO it is
the definitive reporting technology extant.

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Gustav,
>
> I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
> at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
> and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.
>
> I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
> speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
> provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
> Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
> express versions do not provide.
>
> As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
> Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
> actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
> report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
> stuff, then I can re-examine my options.





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 10:58:40 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:58:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s63239dc.062@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

That is so true; database handling is a key point. Also, I've seen so much poor code from web programmers that just know how to connect to a database and think that's it.

That book, does it explain in depth of n-tier which I feel is very important and powerful?
And is your data tier built on that code or did you create it from scratch?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 27-04-2007 17:10 >>>
But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
"Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
Magazine and CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
Access.

Arthur




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 11:04:52 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:04:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6323b62.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

Thanks. I do remember this sites now.
I can see they can keep you busy for a weekend or two!

A feature series of articles on databases is up right now:

http://aspnet.4guysfromrolla.com/articles/041107-1.aspx

/gustav

>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 27-04-2007 17:19 >>>
www.asp.net 
www.4guysfromrolla.com 
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974465





From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr 27 11:12:23 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:12:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s6323728.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JH500BOSZOMWCO3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

Gustav,

No, I haven't joined any .NET specific list. I find most of the snippets of
code I need by googling them. AccessD is really the only list that offers
any value since the discussions aren't limited to pure code.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Eric

Thanks, very useful.
Are you joining a list like this, or do you manage on your own?

/gustav

>>> ebarro at verizon.net 27-04-2007 16:43 >>>
Gustav,

The book that helped me transition my Access/VB skills to the .NET world was

ASP.NET Tips, Tutorials, AND CODE (emphasis mine)

http://www.amazon.com/ASP-NET-Tips-Tutorials-Scott-Mitchell/dp/0672321432/re
f=sr_1_1/103-9789491-9429402?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177683655&sr=8-1

1. The biggest advantage I found in this book over those that I looked into
before buying this 2 yrs ago were the code snippets that clearly explained
and helped me transition my VB knowledge into VB.NET. The main code samples
that benefited me were on datasets, datagrids, arraylists and hashtables
because I was looking for a quick way to understand how .NET handled the
data access layer. I was already proficient in ADO and the examples that
included ADO.NET were very helpful.

2. Majority of the code in the first few chapters were devoted to VB.NET.
This was a big plus since I didn't need to or want to jump to .NET from my
VBA/VB background. The writers of course have samples in C# and it doesn't
take long to quickly transition to the C# version once you are comfortable
in VB.NET.

3. I bought this book precisely for the good code samples. I don't have the
time or patience either to wade through 50 pages of explanation when a few
lines of code smattered with comments would suffice.

The application development environment that helped me transition from VB to
VB.NET was Web Matrix. This was the pre-cursor to Visual Studio. Best of all
was that it was free. It worked great for coding but was very poor for page
layout so I had to use Dreamweaver for that purpose.

Today I develop web-based applications that interface with SQL Server
2000/2005 using C# as the programming language with VS.NET 2003 as the
development environment. Since I am quite proficient in HTML and javascript
(same syntax as C#), I no longer switch to Dreamweaver for page layout.
Instead I switch to HTML view and modify HTML and javascript code manually.

I have not transitioned from .NET ver 1.1 to 2.0. One of these days I will
probably skip 2.0 and move to 3.0.

For reporting I create custom reports using the regular .NET application
development route. I have also used Crystal Reports (which closely resembles
the Access band-type report generator) with SQL stored procedures. I've
stayed away from SQL Reporting Services because the version prior to 2005 is
limited in functionality although I've had to modify SQL Reporting Services
2000 code in VS.NET and also transitioned some of these reports to Crystal
Reports. As far as I'm concerned the major advantages of these two reporting
engines is the ease with which you can export the report data to any number
of formats (Excel, PDF, Word, ASCII, etc...) without any coding other than
knowing how to call those functions or utilize those classes to output the
report.

Today I have built my own data access layer, security layer and
common/utility libraries which I use for every project I develop in C#. I
have also built a couple of my own web controls that encapsulate
functionality such as CRUD operations to speed up the development cycle.

And I do agree...even if VB.NET and C# produce the same DLL, you can
definitely charge more money and have more respect as a C# developer
compared to a VB.NET developer. It's that same "Access is just a toy"
mentality.

Eric 






From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr 27 11:15:52 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:15:52 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000601c788e7$53bc70f0$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct Arthur?
The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx 
 
I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with MS
SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here about
it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life projects
and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I noted
already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine than
MS Access...

Of course it all depends on task to be developed - in some cases MS Acecss
reporting is all you need. But if you aim at many deployment scenarios of
your reporting solutions then CR is one of the best. I have heard (and
Charlotte approves that here) that Active Reports is also very good (I did
"touch" it one time in the past - and it looked more easy to start with it
than with CR but my customer was "CR-infected" therefore I was forced to
work with CR)...


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words as I
like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen to Shamil
and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may encounter,
reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:55 >>>
Are you kidding? The report stuff in VS 2005 is killer technology! It blows
Access and Crystal and various other contenders out of the water. IMO it is
the definitive reporting technology extant.

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Gustav,
>
> I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got
it
> at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
> and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.
>
> I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
> speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free
and
> provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment
anyway.
> Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
> express versions do not provide.
>
> As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
> Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
> actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
> report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the
.Net
> stuff, then I can re-examine my options.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 11:18:48 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:18:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s63239dc.062@cactus.dk>
References: <s63239dc.062@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
other entities if need be.

Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

That is so true; database handling is a key point. Also, I've seen so
much poor code from web programmers that just know how to connect to a
database and think that's it.

That book, does it explain in depth of n-tier which I feel is very
important and powerful?
And is your data tier built on that code or did you create it from
scratch?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 27-04-2007 17:10 >>>
But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
"Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
Magazine and CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
Access.

Arthur


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 11:23:07 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:23:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk>
References: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00ff01c788e8$57d84550$657aa8c0@m6805>

I have no reason to doubt Arthur (or Shamil), it is simply that when it
comes to actually doing something in .Net I am still so far under water that
there is not even a glimmer of light.  Once I can actually see the surface,
then I will start looking at extraneous stuff like reporting.

<grin> 

I have "played" with .Net, both VS2005 and VB.Net express.  The IDE itself
is so vast that just getting comfortable with that is a job in itself (which
is why I recommend the Express for starters, it is more limited but
similar).  After you do that, becoming familiar with the framework and all
of its classes is another major job.  It is trivial to build a form and get
a button to click.  It is NOT TRIVIAL to (for example) understand how
collections are used, what the various types of collections are and what
they are used for and when to use them etc.  I use collections EVERYWHERE in
Access, but there is only one, and it only has only 4 methods.  

EVERYTHING is an object in .Net.  Simple variables such as strings have
methods for formatting, cutting, pattern recognition etc.  All of the
"string stuff" that are functions in VBA are methods of the string object in
VB.Net.  Classes can be static (don't need to be instantiated) or dynamic(?)
have to be instantiated.  Getting at data isn't just set "db = current db,
set rst = db.open()".  There are FOUR different objects and each of those
objects have a ton of properties and methods.

And that is kind of my point, it seems to put the cart before the horse to
be worrying about reporting if you can't even use a collection correctly
yet.  There is a LOT to do to get comfortable here.  Get a copy of VBA.Net
Express and dig in.  Once you can write code in it as easily as you can in
VBA, then take a breath and worry about the other stuff.  

I have a very real problem that I simply have too much (ACCESS) work to do,
I can't even look up during the day, and I now have two kids as well taking
up my evenings.  My time to "play around" in .Net has been pretty limited,
and there is so much to know that it takes awhile to get familiar.  But I am
trying.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words as I
like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen to Shamil
and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may encounter,
reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 27 11:29:05 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:29:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869FE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <0JH60012409R50D1@l-daemon>

Hi All:

Any great web resources, on .Net that anyone has please resend them to me,
your friendly webmaster at webmaster at databaseadvisors.com and I will
hopefully create the definitive list and then it can be posted, in a section
on the DBA web site for all to reference.

Regards
Jim  



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 11:29:21 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:29:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <0JH60012409R50D1@l-daemon>
References: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869FE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<0JH60012409R50D1@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCF@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Ooooh, you lovely man!  That's one of the things I like best about this
list, the scope of ideas and resources.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

Any great web resources, on .Net that anyone has please resend them to
me, your friendly webmaster at webmaster at databaseadvisors.com and I will
hopefully create the definitive list and then it can be posted, in a
section on the DBA web site for all to reference.

Regards
Jim  

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 11:34:50 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:34:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c788e8$57d84550$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk> <00ff01c788e8$57d84550$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You forgot to mention that there are umpteen ways to do a thing and NONE
of them is always the right way!  I haven't seen the need for
collections in .Net that exists in Access/VBA.  We do use them, but
classes and structures fill most of the need.  And by the way, classes
can have methods available from a direct call to a class object as well
as methods that can only be called through an instance ... In the same
class.  It's not all or nothing.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

I have no reason to doubt Arthur (or Shamil), it is simply that when it
comes to actually doing something in .Net I am still so far under water
that there is not even a glimmer of light.  Once I can actually see the
surface, then I will start looking at extraneous stuff like reporting.

<grin> 

I have "played" with .Net, both VS2005 and VB.Net express.  The IDE
itself is so vast that just getting comfortable with that is a job in
itself (which is why I recommend the Express for starters, it is more
limited but similar).  After you do that, becoming familiar with the
framework and all of its classes is another major job.  It is trivial to
build a form and get a button to click.  It is NOT TRIVIAL to (for
example) understand how collections are used, what the various types of
collections are and what they are used for and when to use them etc.  I
use collections EVERYWHERE in Access, but there is only one, and it only
has only 4 methods.  

EVERYTHING is an object in .Net.  Simple variables such as strings have
methods for formatting, cutting, pattern recognition etc.  All of the
"string stuff" that are functions in VBA are methods of the string
object in VB.Net.  Classes can be static (don't need to be instantiated)
or dynamic(?) have to be instantiated.  Getting at data isn't just set
"db = current db, set rst = db.open()".  There are FOUR different
objects and each of those objects have a ton of properties and methods.

And that is kind of my point, it seems to put the cart before the horse
to be worrying about reporting if you can't even use a collection
correctly yet.  There is a LOT to do to get comfortable here.  Get a
copy of VBA.Net Express and dig in.  Once you can write code in it as
easily as you can in VBA, then take a breath and worry about the other
stuff.  

I have a very real problem that I simply have too much (ACCESS) work to
do, I can't even look up during the day, and I now have two kids as well
taking up my evenings.  My time to "play around" in .Net has been pretty
limited, and there is so much to know that it takes awhile to get
familiar.  But I am trying.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words
as I like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen
to Shamil and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may
encounter, reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav


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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Apr 27 13:11:32 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:11:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4260.1177690825.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.4260.1177690825.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704271815.l3RIFCC1016699@databaseadvisors.com>

All,

There are excellent video tutorials available
on the Microsoft site that you can download and
go through at your own pace.

Also, I would highly recommend getting a tool
like Codesmith and using the .netTier template
for it. This will essentially give you a database
layer essentially the same as Access, but customized
to your SQL Server database.  I cannot vouch for
how it works with anything else as a backend, because
that is all I use any more.

If you don't want to put out the $299 or $99 for
Codesmith (.netTier is free), check out the
Enterprise Library (also free) from Microsoft.
It will give you an Access like object library
that is much easier to program against.  Codesmith
is based on top of this.

John, based on how you like to design with classes,
you will also want to check out the Model-View-
Presenter design pattern.

Robert




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 13:25:12 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:25:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Robert

Thanks, this sounds as great tools!

/gustav

>>> rl_stewart at highstream.net 27-04-2007 20:11 >>>
All,

There are excellent video tutorials available
on the Microsoft site that you can download and
go through at your own pace.

Also, I would highly recommend getting a tool
like Codesmith and using the .netTier template
for it. This will essentially give you a database
layer essentially the same as Access, but customized
to your SQL Server database.  I cannot vouch for
how it works with anything else as a backend, because
that is all I use any more.

If you don't want to put out the $299 or $99 for
Codesmith (.netTier is free), check out the
Enterprise Library (also free) from Microsoft.
It will give you an Access like object library
that is much easier to program against.  Codesmith
is based on top of this.

John, based on how you like to design with classes,
you will also want to check out the Model-View-
Presenter design pattern.

Robert




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 15:13:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:13:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re:  Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>

 
Everyone interested in VB and .Net please sign up for our VB list.  I will
be moving my questions and discussions over to that list.

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb

Thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 15:22:17 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:22:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re:  Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk> <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The problem with that is that VB and VB.Net are vastly different.  My
impression has always been that the VB forum was more application
oriented and not much database interest.  I don't want .Net questions
buried in a landslide of VB posts, and I'm not coming from VB but from
Access to .Net.  

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot
Net,where to start?

 
Everyone interested in VB and .Net please sign up for our VB list.  I
will be moving my questions and discussions over to that list.

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb

Thanks.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 15:32:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:32:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re:  Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk> <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>

LOL, if you have ever been over on the VB list, you will know that you will
not be buried in a landslide of messages.  If and when we have a thriving
VB.NET community going there we can split the lists in two.  I know the
right people.  <grin>  The thought right now is that the VB list isn't used
anyway so why split it into two unused lists.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot
Net,where to start?

The problem with that is that VB and VB.Net are vastly different.  My
impression has always been that the VB forum was more application oriented
and not much database interest.  I don't want .Net questions buried in a
landslide of VB posts, and I'm not coming from VB but from Access to .Net.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot Net,where
to start?

 
Everyone interested in VB and .Net please sign up for our VB list.  I will
be moving my questions and discussions over to that list.

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 15:33:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:33:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011901c7890b$504911c0$657aa8c0@m6805>

In playing around with the VB Express I discovered that you can reference an
Access FE in a dataset.  Doing that allows you to see not only all linked
tables, but also all of the queries in the FE.  Theoretically this will
allow me to build, save and use queries there where I am comfortable until
such time as you guys teach me how to build queries inside of VB.Net

One thing I am still struggling to figure out is how to move a table from an
MDB to SQL Server Express.  I have one specific table which is causing
heartaches in Access.  It uses memo fields and there are LOTS of "locking
issues" when users are trying to edit / add these memos.  This is a key
table, where the user adds dated notes about the claim, so users are in
there viewing old notes and adding new notes about phone conversations and
other stuff.  

Microsoft's party line is that these locking issues are often caused by the
way memos are stored in pages on the disk and how JET locks these pages
during edits.  Thus I believe (hope, pray) that if I move that table out to
SQL Server the locking issues will go away since SQL Server handles such
things entirely differently.  A related benefit is that the BE will slim
down considerably.  These memos constitute well over 250 megabytes of data
in a (consolidated) 700 mbyte BE.

I could of course simply  build the table by hand but I would really like to
"just move it", data and all.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr 27 15:51:59 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:51:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <011901c7890b$504911c0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JH600LNFCMY68YE@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

Using SQL Management Studio you connect to your SQL Express database where
you want the tables to live and then right click the database name and
select Tasks->Import Data from the drop down menu.

After you select the data source (Microsoft Access) and the file location
for the source and the SQL database for the destination, it will create the
tables for you. You might have to check indexes and copy and paste your
queries (views in SQL). 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

In playing around with the VB Express I discovered that you can reference an
Access FE in a dataset.  Doing that allows you to see not only all linked
tables, but also all of the queries in the FE.  Theoretically this will
allow me to build, save and use queries there where I am comfortable until
such time as you guys teach me how to build queries inside of VB.Net

One thing I am still struggling to figure out is how to move a table from an
MDB to SQL Server Express.  I have one specific table which is causing
heartaches in Access.  It uses memo fields and there are LOTS of "locking
issues" when users are trying to edit / add these memos.  This is a key
table, where the user adds dated notes about the claim, so users are in
there viewing old notes and adding new notes about phone conversations and
other stuff.  

Microsoft's party line is that these locking issues are often caused by the
way memos are stored in pages on the disk and how JET locks these pages
during edits.  Thus I believe (hope, pray) that if I move that table out to
SQL Server the locking issues will go away since SQL Server handles such
things entirely differently.  A related benefit is that the BE will slim
down considerably.  These memos constitute well over 250 megabytes of data
in a (consolidated) 700 mbyte BE.

I could of course simply  build the table by hand but I would really like to
"just move it", data and all.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 18:45:34 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:45:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <7d60f23a0704271348k215adach120403fbf818efef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d60f23a0704271348k215adach120403fbf818efef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012301c78926$274def50$657aa8c0@m6805>

Martin,

Really it is just a matter of "how do you do it".  I am the kind of person
who needs to know the "how it is done" so that I can do it the next time.
In SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition there is a wizard that I use but it
pretty much sucks (at least how I have used it).  Data types are lost,
indexes are lost etc.

HOLY SMOKE batman!  I just ran the SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access
and it WORKED!  I imported my entire billing database into SQL Server
Express.  The wizard would not "find" the SQL Server Express database, but
if I typed it in "m6805\SQLExpress" it found it.  I went out there in
advance and created the database itself (no tables).  I am IMPRESSED!!!  I
am actually using my billing database hooked to SQL Server expressed now!

WOW!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 18:51:30 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:51:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk> <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> LOL, if you have ever been over on the VB list, you will know that you will
> not be buried in a landslide of messages.  If and when we have a thriving
> VB.NET community going there we can split the lists in two.  I know the
> right people.  <grin>  The thought right now is that the VB list isn't used

Ah, you may KNOW the right people, but can you AFFORD them? :-)

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Apr 27 19:16:19 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:16:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <012301c78926$274def50$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <7d60f23a0704271348k215adach120403fbf818efef@mail.gmail.com>
	<012301c78926$274def50$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000301c7892a$72990090$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

SSMA for Access is supposed to require 1 Gb of RAM to work.  Does your PC
have that much?

Did this take an appropriate amount of time?

Thanks,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:46 PM
To: 'Martin'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server

Martin,

Really it is just a matter of "how do you do it".  I am the kind of person
who needs to know the "how it is done" so that I can do it the next time.
In SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition there is a wizard that I use but it
pretty much sucks (at least how I have used it).  Data types are lost,
indexes are lost etc.

HOLY SMOKE batman!  I just ran the SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access
and it WORKED!  I imported my entire billing database into SQL Server
Express.  The wizard would not "find" the SQL Server Express database, but
if I typed it in "m6805\SQLExpress" it found it.  I went out there in
advance and created the database itself (no tables).  I am IMPRESSED!!!  I
am actually using my billing database hooked to SQL Server expressed now!

WOW!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 19:18:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:18:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704271651v5b2eac70h360c62fbe88a1c21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
	<011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<e04a6c920704271651v5b2eac70h360c62fbe88a1c21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012401c7892a$d0d748b0$657aa8c0@m6805>

>Ah, you may KNOW the right people, but can you AFFORD them? :-)

ROTFL. You can't even let me dream that I am important.  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot
Net,where to start?

On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> LOL, if you have ever been over on the VB list, you will know that you 
> will not be buried in a landslide of messages.  If and when we have a 
> thriving VB.NET community going there we can split the lists in two.  
> I know the right people.  <grin>  The thought right now is that the VB 
> list isn't used

Ah, you may KNOW the right people, but can you AFFORD them? :-)

--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 19:27:52 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:27:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot Net,
	where to start?
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References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk> <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<e04a6c920704271651v5b2eac70h360c62fbe88a1c21@mail.gmail.com>
	<012401c7892a$d0d748b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> >Ah, you may KNOW the right people, but can you AFFORD them? :-)
>
> ROTFL. You can't even let me dream that I am important.  ;-)

Dreams are free John. So dream away......

Actions aren't :)

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 19:28:39 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:28:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <000301c7892a$72990090$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <7d60f23a0704271348k215adach120403fbf818efef@mail.gmail.com><012301c78926$274def50$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000301c7892a$72990090$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <012501c7892c$2b141050$657aa8c0@m6805>

This is my development laptop.  It is a 3 year old 3ghz AMD 64 (single core)
with 2 gb of ram.  The speed was reasonably fast although of course this is
not a huge database, either in terms of number of tables, or number of
records.  I would say it took perhaps 30-60 seconds to do the whole
database.  Pretty fast IMHO.

I will be trying it out on a big database at a client.  One table that I
really need to move has 250gb of data in a memo field.  I'll keep you
informed.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server

Hi John,

SSMA for Access is supposed to require 1 Gb of RAM to work.  Does your PC
have that much?

Did this take an appropriate amount of time?

Thanks,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:46 PM
To: 'Martin'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server

Martin,

Really it is just a matter of "how do you do it".  I am the kind of person
who needs to know the "how it is done" so that I can do it the next time.
In SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition there is a wizard that I use but it
pretty much sucks (at least how I have used it).  Data types are lost,
indexes are lost etc.

HOLY SMOKE batman!  I just ran the SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access
and it WORKED!  I imported my entire billing database into SQL Server
Express.  The wizard would not "find" the SQL Server Express database, but
if I typed it in "m6805\SQLExpress" it found it.  I went out there in
advance and created the database itself (no tables).  I am IMPRESSED!!!  I
am actually using my billing database hooked to SQL Server expressed now!

WOW!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 28 07:34:03 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Printing an Access Report from ASP.Net solution
Message-ID: <748602.65677.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there a way to use an Access  database report in an asp.net solution?

I have a report that is pretty complicated, I want to be able to use some type of automation and send the report object to the user's printer from an asp.net 2.0 application.

Thanks in advance. 
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 29 06:26:39 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:26:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
Message-ID: <s6349d31.074@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I found out that if on cd-rom, it _is_ a two-disk set.
A friend provided the missing disk 2, so now I have VS2005 installed and running.

/gustav

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 26-04-2007 16:28 >>>
Hi all

Anyone having the Action Pack? Finally, the above title arrived but it won't install.
It keeps popping a message:

  Please insert the disk: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition - ENU Disk 2

but there is no disk 2.
This appears during the very first install item, "Microsoft Visual Studio 2005", and the file ..\Common7\Tools\VDT\vdt80.dll

I've browsed all over the net and can find some hints mostly related to downloaded images burned/saved to cd/iso with wrong titles, but this is the original cd which doesn't carry any info that it should be "Disk 1".
I've also tried to copy to cd to a folder and install from that, and also to disable antivirus but to no avail.

I had VB 2005 Express and Web Express installed (with no errors) but those were uninstalled first.

Any hints?

/gustav





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 29 06:32:00 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:32:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6349e5f.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
Hi Gustav,

AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct Arthur?
The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx 
 
I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with MS
SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here about
it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life projects
and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I noted
already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine than
MS Access...

Of course it all depends on task to be developed - in some cases MS Acecss
reporting is all you need. But if you aim at many deployment scenarios of
your reporting solutions then CR is one of the best. I have heard (and
Charlotte approves that here) that Active Reports is also very good (I did
"touch" it one time in the past - and it looked more easy to start with it
than with CR but my customer was "CR-infected" therefore I was forced to
work with CR)...


--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words as I
like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen to Shamil
and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may encounter,
reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:55 >>>
Are you kidding? The report stuff in VS 2005 is killer technology! It blows
Access and Crystal and various other contenders out of the water. IMO it is
the definitive reporting technology extant.

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Gustav,
>
> I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
> at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
> and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.
>
> I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
> speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
> provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
> Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
> express versions do not provide.
>
> As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
> Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
> actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
> report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
> stuff, then I can re-examine my options.





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 09:23:09 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:23:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s6349e5f.075@cactus.dk>
References: <s6349e5f.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704290723g5d6c2560v3022ec5f33b33c33@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, RS is what I had in mind. There is an interesting shift in paradigm, if
you're used to working with Access and including all your reports inside the
app itself. Although you could kludge up some method of calling the reports
from within your app, typically that's not what you'd do. You'd deploy them
to a target server and send a link to the users, and they could use any
browser to display/print the reports. Now that I'm more used to the idea, I
like it a lot better. Back in the days when I worked at that travel agency,
there must have been a couple of hundred reports. It got so ridiculous I
sometimes had to ask the users how to navigate to the place from which you
could print some report.

The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down. Over the years, I
have been asked for that ability a hundred times, and had little to respond
except to say, "I can't do it in Access." To be sure, this capability is a
teensy bit counter-intuitive, but a few trial runs and a willingness to
experiment will convince you, I think.

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct
> Arthur?
> The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
> available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx
>
> I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
> MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with
> MS
> SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
> life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here
> about
> it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life
> projects
> and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I
> noted
> already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine
> than
> MS Access...
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 10:48:00 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:48:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704290848l15f8b55aoc6648d9a0768efe1@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone point me at a tutorial or sample code or something that
illustrates how to customize the navigation bar? I don't find the list of
tables and forms and reports particularly useful, except in terms of
development. I have more in mind a sort of hierarchical series, vaguely like
the classic switchboard technology but much more useful. Something along the
lines of:

Customers
   Browse Customers
   New Customer
   Print Customer Labels
   Top Ten Customers
   Email selected Customers

Products
   ...
   ...

etc.

TIA,
Arthur


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 29 11:33:22 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:33:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s634e50e.079@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur et al

Yes, this is indeed another paradigm. However, users more and more often request reports as files, and having a server engine to unload your report generation is certainly not a bad thing.

I located these pages on Reporting Services:

How to install RS for SQL Server 2005 Express:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms365250.aspx 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms365166.aspx

Download the toolkit to install RS:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/sql/download/

Some elaborate examples:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa964128.aspx 

Note that Reporting Services for Express is somewhat crippled compared to the standard version - mostly regarding connection to remote databases and options for file export.

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-04-2007 16:23 >>>
Yes, RS is what I had in mind. There is an interesting shift in paradigm, if
you're used to working with Access and including all your reports inside the
app itself. Although you could kludge up some method of calling the reports
from within your app, typically that's not what you'd do. You'd deploy them
to a target server and send a link to the users, and they could use any
browser to display/print the reports. Now that I'm more used to the idea, I
like it a lot better. Back in the days when I worked at that travel agency,
there must have been a couple of hundred reports. It got so ridiculous I
sometimes had to ask the users how to navigate to the place from which you
could print some report.

The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down. Over the years, I
have been asked for that ability a hundred times, and had little to respond
except to say, "I can't do it in Access." To be sure, this capability is a
teensy bit counter-intuitive, but a few trial runs and a willingness to
experiment will convince you, I think.

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct
> Arthur?
> The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
> available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx 
>
> I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
> MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with MS
> SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
> life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here about
> it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life projects
> and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I noted
> already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine than
> MS Access...





From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Apr 29 11:42:23 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:42:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
References: <29f585dd0704290848l15f8b55aoc6648d9a0768efe1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A07@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur
 
Look up RibbonX there is a lot of stuff on the web. This site is great and Patrick has a lovely developer tool available to customise the ribbon for you. 
 
http://pschmid.net/blog/category/office-2007/ribbonx/
 
Basically you create a system table used to hold the XML files used to create the menus or now Ribbons.
 
 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338202.aspx
 
This site is great
 
http://www.accessribbon.de/en/?Access_-_Ribbons
 
Martin
 
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974465
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sun 29/04/2007 16:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar



Can anyone point me at a tutorial or sample code or something that
illustrates how to customize the navigation bar? I don't find the list of
tables and forms and reports particularly useful, except in terms of
development. I have more in mind a sort of hierarchical series, vaguely like
the classic switchboard technology but much more useful. Something along the
lines of:

Customers
   Browse Customers
   New Customer
   Print Customer Labels
   Top Ten Customers
   Email selected Customers

Products
   ...
   ...

etc.

TIA,
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 12:06:23 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:06:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A07@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <29f585dd0704290848l15f8b55aoc6648d9a0768efe1@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A07@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704291006m6bd3fb99qfd98a0a797de918e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Martin! I'll check all these sites out.

Incidentally, it's been a while since I did anything in Access. Lately I've
been doing a lot of tech-docs and learning UML 2.1 and Java and Perl and
Python. (When deciding it's time to learn a new language, I always choose
several rather than just one.)

Anyway, what is the current state of Access 2007 and ADP file format? (I
could look it up but hey, you're here. If the ADP is still supported, how
does it react to SQL 2005 databases and the new features available, such as
the revamped schema definition -- one of my favourite features! I totally
love this feature. I have a single database in which I store all the code
for my SQL Tips column, and whenever I start a new subject, I create a
schema for it, which subdivides the tables etc. in a most beautiful way. I
haven't tried to connect to a SQL2005 db with Access 2007 yet, but I am most
interested in how it will respond to schemas. Unfortunately, that exercise
will have to wait. I have other fish to fry (about to post a message to
dba-Tech hoping for insight on said larger fish).

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Arthur
>
> Look up RibbonX there is a lot of stuff on the web. This site is great and
> Patrick has a lovely developer tool available to customise the ribbon for
> you.
>
> http://pschmid.net/blog/category/office-2007/ribbonx/
>
> Basically you create a system table used to hold the XML files used to
> create the menus or now Ribbons.
>
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338202.aspx
>
> This site is great
>
> http://www.accessribbon.de/en/?Access_-_Ribbons
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Training and Assessment Unit
> Riddle Hall
> Belfast
>
> tel: 02890 974465
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sun 29/04/2007 16:48
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
>
>
>
> Can anyone point me at a tutorial or sample code or something that
> illustrates how to customize the navigation bar? I don't find the list of
> tables and forms and reports particularly useful, except in terms of
> development. I have more in mind a sort of hierarchical series, vaguely
> like
> the classic switchboard technology but much more useful. Something along
> the
> lines of:
>
> Customers
>   Browse Customers
>   New Customer
>   Print Customer Labels
>   Top Ten Customers
>   Email selected Customers
>
> Products
>   ...
>   ...
>
> etc.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Apr 29 13:08:25 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:08:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
References: <29f585dd0704290848l15f8b55aoc6648d9a0768efe1@mail.gmail.com><D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A07@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<29f585dd0704291006m6bd3fb99qfd98a0a797de918e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A08@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur
 
Still supported unless you use any of the new SQLS erver 2005 data types. MS is making a huge push towards the world using linked tables. Fromwhat I see they are also making a huge push towards Access being used to work ofline with SharePoint list data. Both areas will I would guess receive more focus than ADPs as Acecss moves forward towards .NET and SharePoint.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974465
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sun 29/04/2007 18:06
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar



Thanks, Martin! I'll check all these sites out.

Incidentally, it's been a while since I did anything in Access. Lately I've
been doing a lot of tech-docs and learning UML 2.1 and Java and Perl and
Python. (When deciding it's time to learn a new language, I always choose
several rather than just one.)

Anyway, what is the current state of Access 2007 and ADP file format? (I
could look it up but hey, you're here. If the ADP is still supported, how
does it react to SQL 2005 databases and the new features available, such as
the revamped schema definition -- one of my favourite features! I totally
love this feature. I have a single database in which I store all the code
for my SQL Tips column, and whenever I start a new subject, I create a
schema for it, which subdivides the tables etc. in a most beautiful way. I
haven't tried to connect to a SQL2005 db with Access 2007 yet, but I am most
interested in how it will respond to schemas. Unfortunately, that exercise
will have to wait. I have other fish to fry (about to post a message to
dba-Tech hoping for insight on said larger fish).

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Arthur
>
> Look up RibbonX there is a lot of stuff on the web. This site is great and
> Patrick has a lovely developer tool available to customise the ribbon for
> you.
>
> http://pschmid.net/blog/category/office-2007/ribbonx/
>
> Basically you create a system table used to hold the XML files used to
> create the menus or now Ribbons.
>
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338202.aspx
>
> This site is great
>
> http://www.accessribbon.de/en/?Access_-_Ribbons
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Training and Assessment Unit
> Riddle Hall
> Belfast
>
> tel: 02890 974465
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sun 29/04/2007 16:48
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
>
>
>
> Can anyone point me at a tutorial or sample code or something that
> illustrates how to customize the navigation bar? I don't find the list of
> tables and forms and reports particularly useful, except in terms of
> development. I have more in mind a sort of hierarchical series, vaguely
> like
> the classic switchboard technology but much more useful. Something along
> the
> lines of:
>
> Customers
>   Browse Customers
>   New Customer
>   Print Customer Labels
>   Top Ten Customers
>   Email selected Customers
>
> Products
>   ...
>   ...
>
> etc.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sun Apr 29 13:57:07 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:57:07 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704290723g5d6c2560v3022ec5f33b33c33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c78a90$34fe1920$6401a8c0@nant>

<<<
The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down.
>>>
Hi Arthur,

Drill-down is one of the very often used feature of Crystal Reports reports
too - my guess MS RS "borrowed: this feature from CR...

BTW, MS Access 2007 Reports are more like forms now (one can program click
and other events processing - right Martin?) therefore my guess is that one
may try to simulate drill-down with MS Access 2007 reports and maybe next MS
Access version will have native drill-down feature...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Yes, RS is what I had in mind. There is an interesting shift in paradigm, if
you're used to working with Access and including all your reports inside the
app itself. Although you could kludge up some method of calling the reports
from within your app, typically that's not what you'd do. You'd deploy them
to a target server and send a link to the users, and they could use any
browser to display/print the reports. Now that I'm more used to the idea, I
like it a lot better. Back in the days when I worked at that travel agency,
there must have been a couple of hundred reports. It got so ridiculous I
sometimes had to ask the users how to navigate to the place from which you
could print some report.

The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down. Over the years, I
have been asked for that ability a hundred times, and had little to respond
except to say, "I can't do it in Access." To be sure, this capability is a
teensy bit counter-intuitive, but a few trial runs and a willingness to
experiment will convince you, I think.

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct
> Arthur?
> The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
> available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx
>
> I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
> MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with
> MS
> SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
> life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here
> about
> it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life
> projects
> and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I
> noted
> already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine
> than
> MS Access...
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Apr 29 14:10:08 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:10:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <001101c78a90$34fe1920$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <29f585dd0704290723g5d6c2560v3022ec5f33b33c33@mail.gmail.com>
	<001101c78a90$34fe1920$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001101c78a92$026796b0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

In Access, I once made a drill-down chart using Web Components.  I think it
was actually a form instead of a report, but that didn't matter.  It was a
few years ago and I don't remember the details anymore.

Has anyone else done this?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

<<<
The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down.
>>>
Hi Arthur,

Drill-down is one of the very often used feature of Crystal Reports reports
too - my guess MS RS "borrowed: this feature from CR...

BTW, MS Access 2007 Reports are more like forms now (one can program click
and other events processing - right Martin?) therefore my guess is that one
may try to simulate drill-down with MS Access 2007 reports and maybe next MS
Access version will have native drill-down feature...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Yes, RS is what I had in mind. There is an interesting shift in paradigm, if
you're used to working with Access and including all your reports inside the
app itself. Although you could kludge up some method of calling the reports
from within your app, typically that's not what you'd do. You'd deploy them
to a target server and send a link to the users, and they could use any
browser to display/print the reports. Now that I'm more used to the idea, I
like it a lot better. Back in the days when I worked at that travel agency,
there must have been a couple of hundred reports. It got so ridiculous I
sometimes had to ask the users how to navigate to the place from which you
could print some report.

The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down. Over the years, I
have been asked for that ability a hundred times, and had little to respond
except to say, "I can't do it in Access." To be sure, this capability is a
teensy bit counter-intuitive, but a few trial runs and a willingness to
experiment will convince you, I think.

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct
> Arthur?
> The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
> available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx
>
> I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
> MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with
> MS
> SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
> life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here
> about
> it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life
> projects
> and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I
> noted
> already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine
> than
> MS Access...
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sun Apr 29 21:31:55 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:31:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <s63239dc.062@cactus.dk>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00aa01c78acf$b96d7450$6501a8c0@office>

Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

  Hi Charlotte

  That is so true; database handling is a key point. Also, I've seen so
  much poor code from web programmers that just know how to connect to a
  database and think that's it.

  That book, does it explain in depth of n-tier which I feel is very
  important and powerful?
  And is your data tier built on that code or did you create it from
  scratch?

  /gustav

  >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 27-04-2007 17:10 >>>
  But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
  Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
  "Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
  Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
  thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
  in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
  and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
  data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
  structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
  we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

  Charlotte Foust  

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

  Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
  since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
  Magazine and CodePlex.

  There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
  vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
  book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
  Access.

  Arthur


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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Apr 30 02:20:55 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:20:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Printing an Access Report from ASP.Net solution
References: <748602.65677.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D012896A7@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Lonnie,

No one seems to have responded so I'll give you my inexpert opinion...

The easy part is using Automation to fire up Access and run the report,
this is a server side function.

The hard part is printing to the users printer.  This is fundamentally
not a server side operation.
How many web sites actually print to your printer?  Short answer...
None.  Not without downloading and installing
an active-x control or similar.

So, I would recommend using Crystal Rpts for the report.  Use the CR
viewer control and let them print it if they want.
BTW I dislike CR but in the .net world it is the most straightforward
solution sometimes.

If you must use Access them maybe output as a snapshot and let the user
download and print.
Messy.  Also if you have a lot of traffic I doubt you'd want a whole
bunch of Access instances clogging up the works
on your web server ;-)

HTH

cheers

Michael M


Subject: [AccessD] Printing an Access Report from ASP.Net solution

Is there a way to use an Access  database report in an asp.net solution?

I have a report that is pretty complicated, I want to be able to use
some type of automation and send the report object to the user's printer
from an asp.net 2.0 application.

Thanks in advance. 
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases Visit me at ==>
http://www.prodev.us

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 30 07:00:44 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:00:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s635f695.091@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 10:30:24 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:30:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c78acf$b96d7450$6501a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F32C512C6E10A4CED301992D24C0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what color 
the header row is in excel?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

_________________________________________________________________
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new payment 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 10:48:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F32C512C6E10A4CED301992D24C0@phx.gbl>
References: <00aa01c78acf$b96d7450$6501a8c0@office>
	<BAY127-F32C512C6E10A4CED301992D24C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005501c78b3e$f8df85a0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Automation. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel

Hello All,

I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what color
the header row is in excel?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

_________________________________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 12:54:51 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:54:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s635f695.091@cactus.dk>
References: <s635f695.091@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:14:16 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:14:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <005501c78b3e$f8df85a0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F187A52DDE4A5138BCB92A3D24C0@phx.gbl>


Thanks John,

Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put border 
around each cell???  Any hints?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
>
>Automation.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what color
>the header row is in excel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS!  $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate
>new payment
>http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 30 14:00:59 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:00:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB41@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

<format><cells><border>. Use the macro recorder in Excel to create the code.
You can transfer the resulting code to Access, add an Excel application
object, clean up the code if necessary and you are good to go. The macro
recorder doesn't generate the prettiest code but it is great at pointing you
in the right direction by telling you which objects to use. HTH
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel



Thanks John,

Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put border

around each cell???  Any hints?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
>
>Automation.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what 
>color the header row is in excel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>_________________________________________________________________

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 30 14:51:06 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:51:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 15:21:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:21:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB41@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB41@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <006a01c78b65$16aa5d50$657aa8c0@m6805>

EXACTLY how I do it.  Turn on the macro recorder, do the action (border /
background / whatever) turn off the macro recorder, view the code.  After
that what you do depends on how you want to do the automation.  The easiest
way is to create a "template" workbook and create the macro in it, then just
call the macro (really a sub IIRC) when you are ready to execute that code.

As Jim mentioned, you might want to clean up the code, but you don't have
to.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel

<format><cells><border>. Use the macro recorder in Excel to create the code.
You can transfer the resulting code to Access, add an Excel application
object, clean up the code if necessary and you are good to go. The macro
recorder doesn't generate the prettiest code but it is great at pointing you
in the right direction by telling you which objects to use. HTH Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel



Thanks John,

Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put border

around each cell???  Any hints?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
>
>Automation.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what 
>color the header row is in excel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>_________________________________________________________________

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 15:42:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:42:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The more
you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.  It is
harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA and
can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an accomplished
programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take the
contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.  Uhh-Uhhhh!  In
VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it (apparently) tries
to stuff a control type into a single type and complains vigorously.  Now
ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there would be a
ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My computer
yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I will
type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain (that
is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 15:44:51 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:44:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <006a01c78b65$16aa5d50$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F31EF12921B0631CA100710D24C0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Jim and John,

I used...
".Columns.Borders.Color = vbBlack"
...and this seemed to do the trick...

The export will have a different number of columns and rows each time.  The 
above method puts a border around every cell in the worksheet...not just the 
data.

If I could isolate just the cells with data...it might look better...but 
this will get me by.

The 'macro recording' gave me a longer approach...but it was dependant on a 
range...which I'm not sure how to get.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:21:08 -0400
>
>EXACTLY how I do it.  Turn on the macro recorder, do the action (border /
>background / whatever) turn off the macro recorder, view the code.  After
>that what you do depends on how you want to do the automation.  The easiest
>way is to create a "template" workbook and create the macro in it, then 
>just
>call the macro (really a sub IIRC) when you are ready to execute that code.
>
>As Jim mentioned, you might want to clean up the code, but you don't have
>to.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:01 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
><format><cells><border>. Use the macro recorder in Excel to create the 
>code.
>You can transfer the resulting code to Access, add an Excel application
>object, clean up the code if necessary and you are good to go. The macro
>recorder doesn't generate the prettiest code but it is great at pointing 
>you
>in the right direction by telling you which objects to use. HTH Jim Hale
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:14 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>
>
>Thanks John,
>
>Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put 
>border
>
>around each cell???  Any hints?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
> >From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
> >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
> >
> >Automation.
> >
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >Colby Consulting
> >www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
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> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what
> >color the header row is in excel?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark A. Matte
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 15:54:24 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:54:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
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Everything is an object, JC. You of all people ought to be most receptive to
that concept. When migrating code from .NET 2003 to .NET 2005, and it
crashed, I just jumped in and added ".ToString()" to the offending variable.
It worked almost all the time. E.g. An array is an object not a structure.
Easy to get over once you realize it.

For those just diving in, my friend and colleague Joe and I both heartily
recommend vbJumpStart, which is a very Hands-On, step by step guide that
doesn't waste time with 100 inanities that in all likelihood I will never
use. In Chapter 3 of vbJumpStart you are already building
master-detail-detail forms. That's the sort of thing that appeals to Access
developers, I ween.

Arthur


On 4/30/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree
> turn not as a 180.
>
> And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The
> more
> you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.  It is
> harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA and
> can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
> anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an
> accomplished
> programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.
>
> If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take
> the
> contents of a text box and place it into a single
> variable.  Uhh-Uhhhh!  In
> VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it (apparently) tries
> to stuff a control type into a single type and complains vigorously.  Now
> ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there would be a
> ToSingle method right?
>
> I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My
> computer
> yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.
>
> And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I
> will
> type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain
> (that
> is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.
>
> In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
> favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
> every week.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Hi All:
>
> My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List
> are
> working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
> progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not
> as
> a 180.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
> 2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>
> Charlotte
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Hi Charlotte
>
> Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
> Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
> what you mean?
>
> Kath
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>
> The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
> and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
> compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
> describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
> the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
> work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
> typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
> then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
> connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
> class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
> other entities if need be.
>
> Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
> worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
> bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 30 15:55:56 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:55:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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Message-ID: <002801c78b69$f348a600$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Ya know,

Since about the time VB.Net was published, I get a lot more spam emails.

Hmmmmm . . .


Dan  ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The more
you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.  It is
harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA and
can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an accomplished
programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take the
contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.  Uhh-Uhhhh!  In
VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it (apparently) tries
to stuff a control type into a single type and complains vigorously.  Now
ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there would be a
ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My computer
yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I will
type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain (that
is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 15:54:31 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:54:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
	<006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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In .Net, you ALWAYS have to think about what you're instructing the
language to do.  You can't rely on the default methods or properties the
way we could in Access, so if you want to populate a textbox, you use
the Value property.  I've worked in it long enough so that I find it
easier than Access in almost every way and when I go back to Access, I
keep looking for things I can't find there!  It never becomes as
effortless as Access code because the object model is much vaster, and
you don't have the advantage of DAO being optimized for the UI to save
time and effort.

We (like a lot of shops) use some 3rd party tools instead of the basic
Windows controls and reports.  The 3rd party tools are heavily enhanced
versions of the built in stuff with far more control available to the
programmer.  If you think .Net looks intimidating, take a look at
Infragistics controls and the levels of properties you have to work
with!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The
more you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.
It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in
VBA and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at
first anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an
accomplished programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the
differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take
the contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.
Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it
(apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and
complains vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a
textbox.ToString method there would be a ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My
computer yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I
will type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the
pain (that is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert
years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List
are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see
the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn
not as a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 16:00:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:00:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F31EF12921B0631CA100710D24C0@phx.gbl>
References: <006a01c78b65$16aa5d50$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<BAY127-F31EF12921B0631CA100710D24C0@phx.gbl>
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When I was exporting data to a range, and the rows/columns varied, I looked
at the source recordset which can tell me the rowcount and (using dao
anyway) the number of fields in the fields collection of the recordset
object which is the width.  I then built the range on-the-fly using a
starting position and the row/columns info. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel

Thanks Jim and John,

I used...
".Columns.Borders.Color = vbBlack"
...and this seemed to do the trick...

The export will have a different number of columns and rows each time.  The
above method puts a border around every cell in the worksheet...not just the
data.

If I could isolate just the cells with data...it might look better...but
this will get me by.

The 'macro recording' gave me a longer approach...but it was dependant on a
range...which I'm not sure how to get.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:21:08 -0400
>
>EXACTLY how I do it.  Turn on the macro recorder, do the action (border 
>/ background / whatever) turn off the macro recorder, view the code.  
>After that what you do depends on how you want to do the automation.  
>The easiest way is to create a "template" workbook and create the macro 
>in it, then just call the macro (really a sub IIRC) when you are ready 
>to execute that code.
>
>As Jim mentioned, you might want to clean up the code, but you don't 
>have to.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:01 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
><format><cells><border>. Use the macro recorder in Excel to create the 
>code.
>You can transfer the resulting code to Access, add an Excel application 
>object, clean up the code if necessary and you are good to go. The 
>macro recorder doesn't generate the prettiest code but it is great at 
>pointing you in the right direction by telling you which objects to 
>use. HTH Jim Hale
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:14 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>
>
>Thanks John,
>
>Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put 
>border
>
>around each cell???  Any hints?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
> >From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
> >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
> >
> >Automation.
> >
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >Colby Consulting
> >www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> >Matte
> >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what 
> >color the header row is in excel?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark A. Matte
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 16:06:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:06:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
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>...heartily recommend vbJumpStart

Hey, I already have that book.  I guess it's time to read it eh?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Everything is an object, JC. You of all people ought to be most receptive to
that concept. When migrating code from .NET 2003 to .NET 2005, and it
crashed, I just jumped in and added ".ToString()" to the offending variable.
It worked almost all the time. E.g. An array is an object not a structure.
Easy to get over once you realize it.

For those just diving in, my friend and colleague Joe and I both heartily
recommend vbJumpStart, which is a very Hands-On, step by step guide that
doesn't waste time with 100 inanities that in all likelihood I will never
use. In Chapter 3 of vbJumpStart you are already building
master-detail-detail forms. That's the sort of thing that appeals to Access
developers, I ween.

Arthur


On 4/30/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
> >degree
> turn not as a 180.
>
> And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The 
> more you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.  
> It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly 
> in VBA and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in 
> VB.Net (at first anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are 
> already an accomplished programmer and "only" have to come up to speed 
> on the differences.
>
> If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to 
> take the contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.  
> Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it 
> (apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and 
> complains vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a 
> textbox.ToString method there would be a ToSingle method right?
>
> I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My 
> computer yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.
>
> And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and 
> I will type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all 
> the pain (that is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't 
> convert years ago.
>
> In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from 
> my favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so 
> many of every week.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Hi All:
>
> My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access 
> List are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one 
> point. I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 
> 90 degree turn not as a 180.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
> 2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>
> Charlotte
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Hi Charlotte
>
> Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
> Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example 
> of what you mean?
>
> Kath
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>
> The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data 
> providers and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and 
> it also compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any 
> books describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  
> Most of the books start with directly binding a form to a data 
> adapter, and we work the other way around.  We build data "entities" 
> that implement typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we 
> need.  We can then drop one of those entities on a form or report to 
> provide the data connections we need.  The working code is actually in 
> a dataprovider class with the entity containing calls to the 
> dataprovider and even to other entities if need be.
>
> Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what 
> worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) 
> the bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 16:08:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:08:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
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>It never becomes as effortless as Access code because ...

So you are dooming me to a life of screaming and internet pain killers?

8~(

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

In .Net, you ALWAYS have to think about what you're instructing the language
to do.  You can't rely on the default methods or properties the way we could
in Access, so if you want to populate a textbox, you use the Value property.
I've worked in it long enough so that I find it easier than Access in almost
every way and when I go back to Access, I keep looking for things I can't
find there!  It never becomes as effortless as Access code because the
object model is much vaster, and you don't have the advantage of DAO being
optimized for the UI to save time and effort.

We (like a lot of shops) use some 3rd party tools instead of the basic
Windows controls and reports.  The 3rd party tools are heavily enhanced
versions of the built in stuff with far more control available to the
programmer.  If you think .Net looks intimidating, take a look at
Infragistics controls and the levels of properties you have to work with!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The more
you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.
It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA
and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an accomplished
programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take the
contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.
Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it
(apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and complains
vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there
would be a ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My computer
yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I will
type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain (that
is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 16:24:30 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:24:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
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Hey, *I* didn't force you to become a programmer!! LOL

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>It never becomes as effortless as Access code because ...

So you are dooming me to a life of screaming and internet pain killers?

8~(

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

In .Net, you ALWAYS have to think about what you're instructing the
language to do.  You can't rely on the default methods or properties the
way we could in Access, so if you want to populate a textbox, you use
the Value property.
I've worked in it long enough so that I find it easier than Access in
almost every way and when I go back to Access, I keep looking for things
I can't find there!  It never becomes as effortless as Access code
because the object model is much vaster, and you don't have the
advantage of DAO being optimized for the UI to save time and effort.

We (like a lot of shops) use some 3rd party tools instead of the basic
Windows controls and reports.  The 3rd party tools are heavily enhanced
versions of the built in stuff with far more control available to the
programmer.  If you think .Net looks intimidating, take a look at
Infragistics controls and the levels of properties you have to work
with!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The
more you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.
It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in
VBA and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at
first anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an
accomplished programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the
differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take
the contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.
Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it
(apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and
complains vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a
textbox.ToString method there would be a ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My
computer yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I
will type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the
pain (that is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert
years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List
are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see
the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn
not as a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 16:35:58 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:35:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
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One of my problems with all of the database books is that all assume that
you are going to bind to a form.  Yea, that is important but once you get
past the data input / display, you still have data manipulations to do. 

I converted the code to find the population within a radius of a zip code.
Other than the fact that it took me a dozen hours to cut/paste/fix code that
was already written, it appears that something is just slightly off in the
calcs.  It looks to me like rounding errors across a dozen calcs is causing
the numbers to come out slightly larger.  Math.sin (for example) has a few
decimal points more accuracy (waaay out there to the right) than the VBA
cousins and I suspect that it is causing slightly larger values multiplied
by slightly larger values ^ slightly larger values to ripple out to
significantly larger values.

We'll see.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

In .Net, you ALWAYS have to think about what you're instructing the language
to do.  You can't rely on the default methods or properties the way we could
in Access, so if you want to populate a textbox, you use the Value property.
I've worked in it long enough so that I find it easier than Access in almost
every way and when I go back to Access, I keep looking for things I can't
find there!  It never becomes as effortless as Access code because the
object model is much vaster, and you don't have the advantage of DAO being
optimized for the UI to save time and effort.

We (like a lot of shops) use some 3rd party tools instead of the basic
Windows controls and reports.  The 3rd party tools are heavily enhanced
versions of the built in stuff with far more control available to the
programmer.  If you think .Net looks intimidating, take a look at
Infragistics controls and the levels of properties you have to work with!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The more
you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.
It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA
and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an accomplished
programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take the
contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.
Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it
(apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and complains
vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there
would be a ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My computer
yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I will
type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain (that
is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 30 16:44:42 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:44:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB42@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

"Migration" always brings to mind the thundering herd of wildebeest running
hell bent for leather across the savanna- and the crocodiles are just
floating in the river waiting, knowing lunch is about to be served. Well,
I'm crocodile food, too old and tired to learn new tricks- no way I'm going
to burn good hours learning dotnet when I could be using the time more
productively to hone my Tx hold'em skills instead.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From galeper at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 17:10:12 2007
From: galeper at gmail.com (Gale Perez)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:10:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (1) Text Box Formatted as " >" and (2) function to get
	user name for Windows
Message-ID: <5b2621db0704301510o68d4e9aeu35b66872155cd2dd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

It has been a while since I have developed in Access, and I'm reviewing my
old databases (I am very indebted to this group for assistance in developing
them).  I cannot remember what the ">" character in the Format property of a
text box does and hoped someone can tell me.

I also had been given a function to get the Novell User Name of a user in
order to set user permissions, etc. without having an actual login box (it
gets the Novell user name automatically and compares that to the one stored
in the table to see if the user is in the database).  It works beautifully
but now I am working in Windows, and I wondered whether a similar function
exists for Windows (XP and other versions).

Thank you!
Gale


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 30 17:10:21 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:10:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
Message-ID: <380-220074130221021550@M2W019.mail2web.com>

Mark:

My approach is always to start Excel, turn on the macro recorder, do what I
want in Excel,  turn off the macro recorder, and then crib the code out of
Excel and paste into Access.  Works every time and I don't have to acutally
learn anything. <g>

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Mark A Matte markamatte at hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:14:16 +0000
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel



Thanks John,

Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put
border 
around each cell???  Any hints?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
>
>Automation.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what color
>the header row is in excel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 30 17:23:14 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:23:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (1) Text Box Formatted as " >" and (2) function to
	get user name for Windows
In-Reply-To: <5b2621db0704301510o68d4e9aeu35b66872155cd2dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b2621db0704301510o68d4e9aeu35b66872155cd2dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46366C52.25936.38E67B78@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 30 Apr 2007 at 15:10, Gale Perez wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> It has been a while since I have developed in Access, and I'm reviewing my
> old databases (I am very indebted to this group for assistance in developing
> them).  I cannot remember what the ">" character in the Format property of a
> text box does and hoped someone can tell me.
> 

Displays characters as upper case.

> I also had been given a function to get the Novell User Name of a user in
> order to set user permissions, etc. without having an actual login box (it
> gets the Novell user name automatically and compares that to the one stored
> in the table to see if the user is in the database).  It works beautifully
> but now I am working in Windows, and I wondered whether a similar function
> exists for Windows (XP and other versions).

Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal 
lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function UserName() As String
Dim strUName As String
Dim lngRetVal As Long
strUName = Space$(16)
lngRetVal = GetUserName(strUName, 16)
strUName = Trim$(strUName)
'strip Chr$(0) from end of name
UserName = Left$(strUName, Len(strUName) - 1)  
End Function

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 30 17:48:24 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:48:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
References: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>

I would suggest, it is somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees,
just so it could be an obtuse angle.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
>working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
>progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
>a 180.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
>2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>
>Charlotte 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>Hi Charlotte
>
>Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
>what you mean? 
>
>Kath
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Charlotte Foust
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>
>  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
>providers
>  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
>  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
>  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
>  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
>  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
>  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
>  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
>data
>  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
>  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
>  other entities if need be.
>
>  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
>  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
>the
>  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  
>
>  Charlotte Foust 
>
>
>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 18:25:07 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:25:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon> <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00e301c78b7e$cb246a50$0302a8c0@Laptop>

Good one, Marty!

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


>I would suggest, it is somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees,
> just so it could be an obtuse angle.
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List 
>>are
>>working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
>>progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not 
>>as
>>a 180.



From ebarro at verizon.net  Mon Apr 30 18:31:07 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:31:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <004301c7868a$9e6cd590$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JHC007TC404LIX4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

Have you looked into BULK INSERT in SQL? This is supposed to be a faster
data import method.


Using T-SQL you can do something like this...

CREATE TABLE #tmpEmployees (<fieldnames here>)
BULK INSERT #tmpEmployees FROM 'c:\temp\import.csv'
WITH (FORMATFILE = 'c:\temp\importCSV.fmt'

importCSV.fmt would contain the file format...in this example it's fixed
width

8.0
18
1   SQLCHAR   0   5   ""     1	suffix	SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
2   SQLCHAR   0   30   ""   2	last_name	SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
3   SQLCHAR   0   20   ""   3	first_name	SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a 
>new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 18:30:43 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:30:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>
References: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon> <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258D0D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

ROTFL  Well said!

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

I would suggest, it is somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees, just so it
could be an obtuse angle.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access 
>List are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point.

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree turn not as a 180.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
>2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>
>Charlotte
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>Hi Charlotte
>
>Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example 
>of what you mean?
>
>Kath
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Charlotte Foust
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>
>  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data 
>providers
>  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
>  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
>  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most 
>of
>  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and 
>we
>  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
>  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
>  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the 
>data
>  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
>  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even 
>to
>  other entities if need be.
>
>  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
>  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) 
>the
>  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
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>  
>

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Apr 30 19:33:15 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:33:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <s635f695.091@cactus.dk>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <006201c78b88$4f9e3550$6501a8c0@office>

Well (she says selfishly) - I would start with 2005. And surely it would be OK if we discussed it on the vb list? That way pure Access could stay on AccessD?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
  2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

  Charlotte 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

  Hi Charlotte

  Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
  Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
  what you mean? 

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Charlotte Foust
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


    The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
  providers
    and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
    compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
    describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
    the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
    work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
    typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
    then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
  data
    connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
    class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
    other entities if need be.

    Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
    worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
  the
    bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

    Charlotte Foust 



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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 21:21:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:21:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon> <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001a01c78b97$5d2e33a0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...obtuse, eh ...no wonder JC is so enamored of it :)
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


>I would suggest, it is somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees,
> just so it could be an obtuse angle.
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List 
>>are
>>working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
>>progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not 
>>as
>>a 180.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>>
>>Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
>>2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>>
>>Charlotte
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>>
>>Hi Charlotte
>>
>>Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
>>what you mean?
>>
>>Kath
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Charlotte Foust
>>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>>
>>
>>  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
>>providers
>>  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
>>  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
>>  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
>>  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
>>  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
>>  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
>>  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
>>data
>>  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
>>  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
>>  other entities if need be.
>>
>>  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
>>  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
>>the
>>  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.
>>
>>  Charlotte Foust
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
> -- 
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 04:40:21 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:40:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s60f9a43.050@cactus.dk>

Hi John and Stuart

It's easier than that; it behaves exactly like in Access (JET) except for two things:

 - SQL Server time is limited to real linear dates only, back to 1753-1-1, where JET goes back to an artificial value of 100-1-1.
 - SQL Server millisecond resolution is only 3.33 ms while JET goes down to 1 ms.

Thus, the date of numeric date value zero is the same for both: 1899-12-30.
This can be easily shown if you format a date/time field from SQL Server to a string which always include the date:

? Format(<SQL Server DT-field>, "yyyy-mm-dd hh:nn:ss")

Official doc is here:

  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms141036.aspx 

which also could imply that the data type of DT_DBTIME would fit your purpose.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 01-04-2007 01:40 >>>
On 31 Mar 2007 at 14:33, JWColby wrote:

> Can SQL Server handle a date with just a time portion in the field?  IOW a
> date of 12:03 am without a date?

Yes. Does it just the way that Access does. 
It defaults to date 0 if no date part is specified. Date 0 is
January 1, 1900 

To retrieve the time as a string use Convert(char(8),myDate,8) for hh:mm:ss
or  Convert(char(12),myDate,14) if you want milliseconds.
(108 and114 return the same thing)

-- 
Stuart



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 05:04:02 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:04:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Column Positions
Message-ID: <s60f9fc7.052@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

If this is in an Access environment, are there any benefits by specifying the Access Application object?
Normally I don't use it - I'm mostly in Access - but maybe I should?

Anyway, in Access this stripped down version seems to run with no glitches:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)

Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim frm As Form
Dim index As Integer
    
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    
    DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    For index = 0 To qdf.Fields.Count - 1
       frm.Controls(index).ColumnOrder = index + 1
    Next
    DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    
End Sub

/gustav


>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 30-03-2007 20:47 >>>
Hello Gustav,

Yes, that's OK - and now we start to play code optimization/generalization
game :)  (I'm using splitted code lines here to post ready to copy&paste
code, hopefully it will not be screwed anymore):

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder( _
      ByVal queryName As String, _
      Optional ByRef rapp As _
       Access.Application = Nothing)
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim frm As Access.Form
Dim ctl As Access.Control
    Set app = rapp
    If app Is Nothing Then _
       Set app = Access.Application
    With app
        Set dbs = .CurrentDb
        Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
        .DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
        Set frm = .Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form

        For Each fld In qdf.Fields
           frm.Controls(fld.Name).ColumnOrder = _
              fld.OrdinalPosition + 1
        Next fld

        .DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    End With
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

Hi Shamil

Bright idea! I hate when I have to say Yes to save the SQL of the query and
I forgot to rearrange a column I have moved for some reason. Now I can just
run this routine.

The function can be simplified a bit by just using the count of fields:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim index As Integer
Dim frm As Access.Form
    
    Set app = Access.Application
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    app.DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = app.Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    
    For index = 0 To qdf.Fields.Count - 1
       frm.Controls(index).ColumnOrder = index + 1
    Next
    
    app.DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 30-03-2007 19:17 >>>
Hi John,

Here is how column order can be "reset" to the column order in QBE grid:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim index As Integer
Dim frm As Access.Form
Dim ctl As Access.Control
    Set app = Access.Application
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    app.DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = app.Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    index = 1
    For Each fld In qdf.Fields
       Set ctl = frm.Controls(fld.Name)
       ctl.ColumnOrder = index
       index = index + 1
    Next fld
    app.DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

I have just "cooked" this code as a sample - it seems to work not bad but
please test it carefully if you plan to use it in production...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

I have no idea what happens if you don't either.  I believe that it does NOT
save your changes.  However if you DO save the changes, then the positions
in design view do not match the positions in data view, and I have never
discovered a way to "reset" them to match.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

You mean, if you don't save the datasheet view, the query retains the new
positions? I don't think I've ever paid any attention to this -- seems like
I'm always asked to save the query -- but really, never paid attention to
what happens if I don't. Or, am I someplace totally different that you guys?

Susan H. 

In a query's datasheet view you can easily drag the columns around.
 
Is there any way to reset them back to the way they are positioned in the
query grid?

The only way I have found to do this is to create a new query and just copy
the SQL statement to the new one. 
Is there a easier way, or maybe a menu option?


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr  1 05:03:19 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:03:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <s60f9a43.050@cactus.dk>
References: <s60f9a43.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <460F8367.15680.1548C5BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 1 Apr 2007 at 11:40, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John and Stuart
> 
> It's easier than that; it behaves exactly like in Access (JET) except for
> two things:
> 
>  - SQL Server time is limited to real linear dates only, back to 1753-1-1,
>  where JET goes back to an artificial value of 100-1-1. - SQL Server
>  millisecond resolution is only 3.33 ms while JET goes down to 1 ms.
> 
> Thus, the date of numeric date value zero is the same for both: 1899-12-30.
> This can be easily shown if you format a date/time field from SQL Server to
> a string which always include the date:

Unfortunately, that's not  true. 

In Access Date 0 is 1899-12-30, but in SQL server it is 1900-1-1.

>From Transact SQL Help in BOL:
Values with the datetime data type are stored internally by Microsoft SQL 
Server as two 4-byte integers. The first 4 bytes store the number of days 
before or after the base date, January 1, 1900. The base date is the system 
reference date. Values for datetime earlier than January 1, 1753, are not 
permitted. The other 4 bytes store the time of day represented as the 
number of milliseconds after midnight.

The smalldatetime data type stores dates and times of day with less 
precision than datetime. SQL Server stores smalldatetime values as two 2-
byte integers. The first 2 bytes store the number of days after January 1, 
1900. The other 2 bytes store the number of minutes since midnight. Dates 
range from January 1, 1900, through June 6, 2079, with accuracy to the 
minute.



-- 
Stuart




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sun Apr  1 05:52:40 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:52:40 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Column Positions
In-Reply-To: <s60f9fc7.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000601c7744b$deb21350$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

With Access.Application parameter passed as optional you "reserve"
opportunity to easily use the same code in Access Automation scenarios. I
also often (in my "previous life" when I programmed a lot on VBA) did use:

Optional ByRef rdbs as DAO.Database = Nothing

That "saved my life" many times when the database to work with wasn't
CurrentDB. For this subject case it's not needed because this code always
operates with CurrenDb...

The usage of:

    With app

Is used to not have costly Automation "round-trip" of getting reference of
MS Access instance. It's not needed when Access Automation is not used.

Using explicit:

app.DoCmd...
..
App.CurrentDb ..

Is good programming style IMO - when used that way then you get automatic
habit to use it simira way when programming MS Word/MS Exce/... Automation -
then copy & paste code between different VBA hosts will never result in
(unexpectedly) activating/running "ghost" background instances of MS
Access/Word/Excel/..., which are often not easy to "catch" where they come
from, to "kill" them etc...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

Hi Shamil

If this is in an Access environment, are there any benefits by specifying
the Access Application object?
Normally I don't use it - I'm mostly in Access - but maybe I should?

Anyway, in Access this stripped down version seems to run with no glitches:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)

Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim frm As Form
Dim index As Integer
    
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    
    DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    For index = 0 To qdf.Fields.Count - 1
       frm.Controls(index).ColumnOrder = index + 1
    Next
    DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    
End Sub

/gustav


>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 30-03-2007 20:47 >>>
Hello Gustav,

Yes, that's OK - and now we start to play code optimization/generalization
game :)  (I'm using splitted code lines here to post ready to copy&paste
code, hopefully it will not be screwed anymore):

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder( _
      ByVal queryName As String, _
      Optional ByRef rapp As _
       Access.Application = Nothing)
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim frm As Access.Form
Dim ctl As Access.Control
    Set app = rapp
    If app Is Nothing Then _
       Set app = Access.Application
    With app
        Set dbs = .CurrentDb
        Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
        .DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
        Set frm = .Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form

        For Each fld In qdf.Fields
           frm.Controls(fld.Name).ColumnOrder = _
              fld.OrdinalPosition + 1
        Next fld

        .DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    End With
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

Hi Shamil

Bright idea! I hate when I have to say Yes to save the SQL of the query and
I forgot to rearrange a column I have moved for some reason. Now I can just
run this routine.

The function can be simplified a bit by just using the count of fields:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim index As Integer
Dim frm As Access.Form
    
    Set app = Access.Application
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    app.DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = app.Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    
    For index = 0 To qdf.Fields.Count - 1
       frm.Controls(index).ColumnOrder = index + 1
    Next
    
    app.DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 30-03-2007 19:17 >>>
Hi John,

Here is how column order can be "reset" to the column order in QBE grid:

Public Sub ResetToQBEFieldsOrder(ByVal queryName As String)
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim fld As DAO.Field
Dim qdf As DAO.QueryDef
Dim index As Integer
Dim frm As Access.Form
Dim ctl As Access.Control
    Set app = Access.Application
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(queryName)
    app.DoCmd.OpenQuery queryName, acViewNormal
    Set frm = app.Screen.ActiveDatasheet.Form
    index = 1
    For Each fld In qdf.Fields
       Set ctl = frm.Controls(fld.Name)
       ctl.ColumnOrder = index
       index = index + 1
    Next fld
    app.DoCmd.Close acQuery, queryName, acSaveYes
    Set qdf = Nothing
    Set dbs = Nothing
    Set app = Nothing
End Sub

I have just "cooked" this code as a sample - it seems to work not bad but
please test it carefully if you plan to use it in production...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

I have no idea what happens if you don't either.  I believe that it does NOT
save your changes.  However if you DO save the changes, then the positions
in design view do not match the positions in data view, and I have never
discovered a way to "reset" them to match.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

You mean, if you don't save the datasheet view, the query retains the new
positions? I don't think I've ever paid any attention to this -- seems like
I'm always asked to save the query -- but really, never paid attention to
what happens if I don't. Or, am I someplace totally different that you guys?

Susan H. 

In a query's datasheet view you can easily drag the columns around.
 
Is there any way to reset them back to the way they are positioned in the
query grid?

The only way I have found to do this is to create a new query and just copy
the SQL statement to the new one. 
Is there a easier way, or maybe a menu option?
-- 
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sun Apr  1 06:32:35 2007
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:32:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Data source for PivotTable-Form in ACCESS 2000
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEOCCOAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Hi, this drives me crazy,
4 years ago I defined in an ACCESS 2000 application a "PivotTable-Form". The
resulting EXCEL table inclusive the "Data update" works perfect. I now want
to update/change the query for the "Data Source" but cannot find which query
is behind the  "PivotTable-Form" or behind the resulting EXCEL spreadsheet.
When editing the  properties for the "PivotTable-Form" or the EXCEL
spreadsheet the "Data Source" is  always blank.
Question: Where does Access 2000 or EXCEL 2000 hide the respective data
source  (Query)??

Helmut



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 06:45:30 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:45:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s60fb792.053@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Sorry for the confusion. I assumed that John is operating in Access where the numeric value will be converted by the driver to match that of SQL Server by shifting the value by -2. Thus:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (0)

will insert the date 1899-12-30.

However, if John operates within SQL Server - for example by executing a pass-through query like:

  insert into dbo.timetable (timefield) values (0)

you are of course right - that date will be 1900-1-1.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 01-04-2007 12:03 >>>
On 1 Apr 2007 at 11:40, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John and Stuart
> 
> It's easier than that; it behaves exactly like in Access (JET) except for
> two things:
> 
>  - SQL Server time is limited to real linear dates only, back to 1753-1-1,
>  where JET goes back to an artificial value of 100-1-1. - SQL Server
>  millisecond resolution is only 3.33 ms while JET goes down to 1 ms.
> 
> Thus, the date of numeric date value zero is the same for both: 1899-12-30.
> This can be easily shown if you format a date/time field from SQL Server to
> a string which always include the date:

Unfortunately, that's not  true. 

In Access Date 0 is 1899-12-30, but in SQL server it is 1900-1-1.

>From Transact SQL Help in BOL:
Values with the datetime data type are stored internally by Microsoft SQL 
Server as two 4-byte integers. The first 4 bytes store the number of days 
before or after the base date, January 1, 1900. The base date is the system 
reference date. Values for datetime earlier than January 1, 1753, are not 
permitted. The other 4 bytes store the time of day represented as the 
number of milliseconds after midnight.

The smalldatetime data type stores dates and times of day with less 
precision than datetime. SQL Server stores smalldatetime values as two 2-
byte integers. The first 2 bytes store the number of days after January 1, 
1900. The other 2 bytes store the number of minutes since midnight. Dates 
range from January 1, 1900, through June 6, 2079, with accuracy to the 
minute.



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 06:49:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:49:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Column Positions
Message-ID: <s60fb864.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Thanks, that explains. I will note this, should I ever have to do some serious programming in VBA outside Access.

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 01-04-2007 12:52 >>>
Hi Gustav,

With Access.Application parameter passed as optional you "reserve"
opportunity to easily use the same code in Access Automation scenarios. I
also often (in my "previous life" when I programmed a lot on VBA) did use:

Optional ByRef rdbs as DAO.Database = Nothing

That "saved my life" many times when the database to work with wasn't
CurrentDB. For this subject case it's not needed because this code always
operates with CurrenDb...

The usage of:

    With app

Is used to not have costly Automation "round-trip" of getting reference of
MS Access instance. It's not needed when Access Automation is not used.

Using explicit:

app.DoCmd...
..
App.CurrentDb ..

Is good programming style IMO - when used that way then you get automatic
habit to use it simira way when programming MS Word/MS Exce/... Automation -
then copy & paste code between different VBA hosts will never result in
(unexpectedly) activating/running "ghost" background instances of MS
Access/Word/Excel/..., which are often not easy to "catch" where they come
from, to "kill" them etc...

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Column Positions

Hi Shamil

If this is in an Access environment, are there any benefits by specifying
the Access Application object?
Normally I don't use it - I'm mostly in Access - but maybe I should?




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 06:54:01 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:54:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <s60fb792.053@cactus.dk>
References: <s60fb792.053@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002601c77454$75812020$657aa8c0@m6805>

In fact my question was more simple than that.  I have values in the date
fields that are #12:00:00 AM# for example.  Those values are NOT valid in
SQL Server, or at least will not upsize correctly.  I had to find and fix
all such values by adding some date to them to make them #1/1/1800 12:00:00
AM#.  Once I did that, the table with such fields would upsize.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi Stuart

Sorry for the confusion. I assumed that John is operating in Access where
the numeric value will be converted by the driver to match that of SQL
Server by shifting the value by -2. Thus:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (0)

will insert the date 1899-12-30.

However, if John operates within SQL Server - for example by executing a
pass-through query like:

  insert into dbo.timetable (timefield) values (0)

you are of course right - that date will be 1900-1-1.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 01-04-2007 12:03 >>>
On 1 Apr 2007 at 11:40, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John and Stuart
> 
> It's easier than that; it behaves exactly like in Access (JET) except 
> for two things:
> 
>  - SQL Server time is limited to real linear dates only, back to 
> 1753-1-1,  where JET goes back to an artificial value of 100-1-1. - 
> SQL Server  millisecond resolution is only 3.33 ms while JET goes down to
1 ms.
> 
> Thus, the date of numeric date value zero is the same for both:
1899-12-30.
> This can be easily shown if you format a date/time field from SQL 
> Server to a string which always include the date:

Unfortunately, that's not  true. 

In Access Date 0 is 1899-12-30, but in SQL server it is 1900-1-1.

>From Transact SQL Help in BOL:
Values with the datetime data type are stored internally by Microsoft SQL
Server as two 4-byte integers. The first 4 bytes store the number of days
before or after the base date, January 1, 1900. The base date is the system
reference date. Values for datetime earlier than January 1, 1753, are not
permitted. The other 4 bytes store the time of day represented as the number
of milliseconds after midnight.

The smalldatetime data type stores dates and times of day with less
precision than datetime. SQL Server stores smalldatetime values as two 2-
byte integers. The first 2 bytes store the number of days after January 1,
1900. The other 2 bytes store the number of minutes since midnight. Dates
range from January 1, 1900, through June 6, 2079, with accuracy to the
minute.



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 07:10:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:10:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s60fbd6f.055@cactus.dk>

Hi John

That is strange - or it may be a limitation in the upsize wizard - as #12:00:00 AM# is a perfectly valid date value in Access.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 13:54 >>>
In fact my question was more simple than that.  I have values in the date
fields that are #12:00:00 AM# for example.  Those values are NOT valid in
SQL Server, or at least will not upsize correctly.  I had to find and fix
all such values by adding some date to them to make them #1/1/1800 12:00:00
AM#.  Once I did that, the table with such fields would upsize.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 07:13:16 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:13:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table
Message-ID: <002701c77457$23ef98b0$657aa8c0@m6805>

In an Access database the PKID (autonumber) of a table is available the
instant after doing the insert or AddNew, so I would use code such as:
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
        .Close
    End With

the code line
 
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID

fails when used in SQL Server because the ID is not yet valid.  How do I
work around this when the table is out in SQL Server?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 07:30:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:30:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table
Message-ID: <s60fc203.056@cactus.dk>

Hi John

That depends, but I guess you need the classic function (session scope) of @@IDENTITY.
Here's an explanation:

  http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=319

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 14:13 >>>
In an Access database the PKID (autonumber) of a table is available the
instant after doing the insert or AddNew, so I would use code such as:
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
        .Close
    End With

the code line
 
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID

fails when used in SQL Server because the ID is not yet valid.  How do I
work around this when the table is out in SQL Server?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Sun Apr  1 08:05:49 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:05:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RSS
In-Reply-To: <003d01c773ed$e2336190$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003d01c773ed$e2336190$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200704012305.52457.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

On Sunday 01 April 2007 09:39, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> Only as a consumer.  We've got an RSS feed on our website
> www.thesleepadvisor.com but my webmistress takes care of it all.  Adding it
> to a web site seemed pretty simple, though.  You can probably see the
> source code on the page yourself.  Wouldn't make any sense to me.
>
> Rocky
>

Rocky, 

The "CD" image on the home page 404's.  
<a>http://www.thesleepadvisor.com/order.html</a> doesn't seem to exist.

bruce


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 08:55:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:55:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Graphic Image Control
Message-ID: <001101c77465$5f4b7c90$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
Does anyone know of an image control that would allow you to zoom in and
scroll around an image?
 
TIA
 
Rocky
 


 	
	


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 09:11:18 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:11:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RSS
In-Reply-To: <200704012305.52457.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <001e01c77467$9e4194a0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Bruce:

The order page is http://www.thesleepadvisor.com/order.php

It comes up OK here.  Try the reload button.  Maybe an old version is still
in your cache. 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 6:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RSS

On Sunday 01 April 2007 09:39, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> Only as a consumer.  We've got an RSS feed on our website 
> www.thesleepadvisor.com but my webmistress takes care of it all.  
> Adding it to a web site seemed pretty simple, though.  You can 
> probably see the source code on the page yourself.  Wouldn't make any
sense to me.
>
> Rocky
>

Rocky, 

The "CD" image on the home page 404's.  
<a>http://www.thesleepadvisor.com/order.html</a> doesn't seem to exist.

bruce
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 09:33:53 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:33:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Graphic Image Control
Message-ID: <s60fdefc.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

I can recommend csXImage:

  http://www.chestysoft.com/ximage

It can zoom in several ways:

  http://www.chestysoft.com/ximage/manual.htm#sect8

It's about USD 150, but the support is excellent.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 01-04-2007 15:55 >>>
Dear List:
 
Does anyone know of an image control that would allow you to zoom in and scroll around an image?
 
TIA
 
Rocky



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  1 10:02:55 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:02:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Graphic Image Control
In-Reply-To: <s60fdefc.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002501c7746e$d42a6040$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Thanks Gustav.  Will forward to the guy who asked the question.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Graphic Image Control

Hi Rocky

I can recommend csXImage:

  http://www.chestysoft.com/ximage

It can zoom in several ways:

  http://www.chestysoft.com/ximage/manual.htm#sect8

It's about USD 150, but the support is excellent.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 01-04-2007 15:55 >>>
Dear List:
 
Does anyone know of an image control that would allow you to zoom in and
scroll around an image?
 
TIA
 
Rocky

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 11:46:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:46:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <s60fbd6f.055@cactus.dk>
References: <s60fbd6f.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003901c7747d$442ccff0$657aa8c0@m6805>

It is valid in ACCESS, but may not be in SQL SERVER.  Or, as you say, it may
be a limitation of the upsize wizard.  All I know is that once I handled
these (and other date problems) the table moved.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

That is strange - or it may be a limitation in the upsize wizard - as
#12:00:00 AM# is a perfectly valid date value in Access.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 13:54 >>>
In fact my question was more simple than that.  I have values in the date
fields that are #12:00:00 AM# for example.  Those values are NOT valid in
SQL Server, or at least will not upsize correctly.  I had to find and fix
all such values by adding some date to them to make them #1/1/1800 12:00:00
AM#.  Once I did that, the table with such fields would upsize.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  1 12:03:08 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:03:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk>

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 18:46 >>>
It is valid in ACCESS, but may not be in SQL SERVER.  Or, as you say, it may
be a limitation of the upsize wizard.  All I know is that once I handled
these (and other date problems) the table moved.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

That is strange - or it may be a limitation in the upsize wizard - as
#12:00:00 AM# is a perfectly valid date value in Access.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 13:54 >>>
In fact my question was more simple than that.  I have values in the date
fields that are #12:00:00 AM# for example.  Those values are NOT valid in
SQL Server, or at least will not upsize correctly.  I had to find and fix
all such values by adding some date to them to make them #1/1/1800 12:00:00
AM#.  Once I did that, the table with such fields would upsize.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 12:17:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:17:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk>
References: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003c01c77481$9bd6d760$657aa8c0@m6805>

LOL, the upsizing wizard does not ETLL you what the problem is anymore,
although I think it used to.  Now it simply says "tblXXX failed to upsize".
>From past experience I knew that dates were a problem.  The "other date
problems" were dates before the valid date range of SQL Server.  Data entry
errors had left dates of 1/23/0931 for example where the intent was
1/23/1931.  Anything in 0931 is an invalid date to SQL Server but quite
valid to Access.  Likewise I had fields that only contained a date, using
the Time() function of VBA.  These are date fields that now contain
something like #13:53:02# with NO DATE.  These also failed to upsize until I
placed a bogus date in front of the time.  

The upsizing wizard used to IIRC update the table but generate an error
report with a list of records that failed to upsize.  Now (Access 2003) it
just silently fails and simply reports "tblXXX failed to upsize".  No clue
at all what went wrong.  I happen to know from hard experience that dates
caused me problems last time, and were in fact the ONLY thing that caused me
problems in the upsizing wizard, so I went looking for bad dates in the
specific tables that refused to upsize.  Sure enough, that is what I found.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of
Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Sun Apr  1 12:22:54 2007
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:22:54 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BA36@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

John,

If you're working with linked SQL server tables in Access the LastModified
property does the trick for me in a DAO recordset.  I don't know if it's
available in an ADO recordset like you are using but the following is how it
might be used.
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        .Update
        .BookMark = .LastModified
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Close
    End With

HTH
Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: JWColby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table


In an Access database the PKID (autonumber) of a table is available the
instant after doing the insert or AddNew, so I would use code such as:
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
        .Close
    End With

the code line
 
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID

fails when used in SQL Server because the ID is not yet valid.  How do I
work around this when the table is out in SQL Server?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Apr  1 12:46:34 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:46:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <003c01c77481$9bd6d760$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk> <003c01c77481$9bd6d760$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000c01c77485$b1579d50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

This is a side question - are you using the Access upsizing tool or the SSMA
upsizing tool?

Also, I know of a tool (I haven't used it) you can purchase from a company
which provides a list of issues to look at prior to upsizing.  It's at
http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/UpsizingPRO/.  They also have a free trial
version.

I just looked at their site - their take on SSMA is that it's 'Not Ready'!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

LOL, the upsizing wizard does not ETLL you what the problem is anymore,
although I think it used to.  Now it simply says "tblXXX failed to upsize".
>From past experience I knew that dates were a problem.  The "other date
problems" were dates before the valid date range of SQL Server.  Data entry
errors had left dates of 1/23/0931 for example where the intent was
1/23/1931.  Anything in 0931 is an invalid date to SQL Server but quite
valid to Access.  Likewise I had fields that only contained a date, using
the Time() function of VBA.  These are date fields that now contain
something like #13:53:02# with NO DATE.  These also failed to upsize until I
placed a bogus date in front of the time.  

The upsizing wizard used to IIRC update the table but generate an error
report with a list of records that failed to upsize.  Now (Access 2003) it
just silently fails and simply reports "tblXXX failed to upsize".  No clue
at all what went wrong.  I happen to know from hard experience that dates
caused me problems last time, and were in fact the ONLY thing that caused me
problems in the upsizing wizard, so I went looking for bad dates in the
specific tables that refused to upsize.  Sure enough, that is what I found.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of
Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav

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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Apr  1 12:55:42 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:55:42 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36>

hey group,
I use the follown union

SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
FROM [MT_basic_char]

UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection], 
[IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];

because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a [Title] 
either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking to 
get back a searching form on that Union Query
something like the default msaccess's

    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70

but on that specific Union Query

many thank's
/kostas 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 12:57:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:57:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
In-Reply-To: <000c01c77485$b1579d50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <s6100209.062@cactus.dk> <003c01c77481$9bd6d760$657aa8c0@m6805>
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Message-ID: <004401c77487$414eaab0$657aa8c0@m6805>

I used the Access upsizing tool.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John,

This is a side question - are you using the Access upsizing tool or the SSMA
upsizing tool?

Also, I know of a tool (I haven't used it) you can purchase from a company
which provides a list of issues to look at prior to upsizing.  It's at
http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/UpsizingPRO/.  They also have a free trial
version.

I just looked at their site - their take on SSMA is that it's 'Not Ready'!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

LOL, the upsizing wizard does not ETLL you what the problem is anymore,
although I think it used to.  Now it simply says "tblXXX failed to upsize".
>From past experience I knew that dates were a problem.  The "other date
problems" were dates before the valid date range of SQL Server.  Data entry
errors had left dates of 1/23/0931 for example where the intent was
1/23/1931.  Anything in 0931 is an invalid date to SQL Server but quite
valid to Access.  Likewise I had fields that only contained a date, using
the Time() function of VBA.  These are date fields that now contain
something like #13:53:02# with NO DATE.  These also failed to upsize until I
placed a bogus date in front of the time.  

The upsizing wizard used to IIRC update the table but generate an error
report with a list of records that failed to upsize.  Now (Access 2003) it
just silently fails and simply reports "tblXXX failed to upsize".  No clue
at all what went wrong.  I happen to know from hard experience that dates
caused me problems last time, and were in fact the ONLY thing that caused me
problems in the upsizing wizard, so I went looking for bad dates in the
specific tables that refused to upsize.  Sure enough, that is what I found.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of
Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr  1 13:00:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:00:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BA36@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BA36@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <004501c77487$9db43b30$657aa8c0@m6805>

And in fact that is just what I did (more or less).  Since this is framework
code I strive for "any environment" so I changed it to  

        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
	  On Error resume next
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
	  if mlngLogID =0 then
            mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
	  endif
        .Close

The first will work correctly for an MDB and if the value is still zero then
the second picks up the slack.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table

John,

If you're working with linked SQL server tables in Access the LastModified
property does the trick for me in a DAO recordset.  I don't know if it's
available in an ADO recordset like you are using but the following is how it
might be used.
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        .Update
        .BookMark = .LastModified
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Close
    End With

HTH
Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: JWColby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the PK of a SQL Server table


In an Access database the PKID (autonumber) of a table is available the
instant after doing the insert or AddNew, so I would use code such as:
 
    With RS
        .Open "usystbllwsLog", gcnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockPessimistic
        'build a logout record.
        .AddNew
        !LWSL_IDLWSU = mlngUserID
        !LWSL_FE = CurrentProject.name
        !LWSL_Login = blnLogIn
        !LWSL_WorkstationID = CurrentMachineName()
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID
        .Update
        .Close
    End With

the code line
 
        mlngLogID = !LWSL_ID

fails when used in SQL Server because the ID is not yet valid.  How do I
work around this when the table is out in SQL Server?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Apr  1 13:08:50 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:08:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
In-Reply-To: <008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36>
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk> <008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36>
Message-ID: <000d01c77488$cd213bb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Kostas,

Off the top of my head, there is a wizard in Access to write a 'Look for
Duplicates' query.  You should be able to run it against this Union query.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...

hey group,
I use the follown union

SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
FROM [MT_basic_char]

UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection], 
[IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];

because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a [Title] 
either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking to 
get back a searching form on that Union Query
something like the default msaccess's

    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70

but on that specific Union Query

many thank's
/kostas 


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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Apr  1 13:20:23 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:20:23 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk> <008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36>
	<000d01c77488$cd213bb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00af01c7748a$716ce7e0$6701a8c0@kost36>

Hi Dev,
may be I was not so specific in my previous message.
So, what I want to know is not the duplicates records general
but typing a Title to know if that record there is into the database

thank's
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...


> Hi Kostas,
>
> Off the top of my head, there is a wizard in Access to write a 'Look for
> Duplicates' query.  You should be able to run it against this Union query.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>
> hey group,
> I use the follown union
>
> SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
> FROM [MT_basic_char]
>
> UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection],
> [IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
> FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];
>
> because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a 
> [Title]
> either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
> I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking to
> get back a searching form on that Union Query
> something like the default msaccess's
>
>    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
>    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70
>
> but on that specific Union Query
>
> many thank's
> /kostas
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Apr  1 13:39:40 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:39:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
In-Reply-To: <00af01c7748a$716ce7e0$6701a8c0@kost36>
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk>
	<008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36><000d01c77488$cd213bb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00af01c7748a$716ce7e0$6701a8c0@kost36>
Message-ID: <001101c7748d$1bfec280$0200a8c0@danwaters>

This is what I do:

Dim stg as String
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset

stg = "SELECT Title FROM tblName" _
	    & " WHERE Title = '" & txtTitle & "'"
Set rst = Currentdb.Openrecordset(stg,dbopensnapshot)
If rst.EOF = False then
	Msgbox txtTitle & " already exists!"
End if
rst.close
Set rst = nothing


Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...

Hi Dev,
may be I was not so specific in my previous message.
So, what I want to know is not the duplicates records general
but typing a Title to know if that record there is into the database

thank's
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...


> Hi Kostas,
>
> Off the top of my head, there is a wizard in Access to write a 'Look for
> Duplicates' query.  You should be able to run it against this Union query.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>
> hey group,
> I use the follown union
>
> SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
> FROM [MT_basic_char]
>
> UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection],
> [IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
> FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];
>
> because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a 
> [Title]
> either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
> I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking to
> get back a searching form on that Union Query
> something like the default msaccess's
>
>    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
>    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70
>
> but on that specific Union Query
>
> many thank's
> /kostas
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Apr  1 15:32:39 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:32:39 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk><008101c77487$01b2cad0$6701a8c0@kost36><000d01c77488$cd213bb0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00af01c7748a$716ce7e0$6701a8c0@kost36>
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Message-ID: <011901c7749c$ec0354f0$6701a8c0@kost36>

I found an excellent job by Terry Kreft and Dev Ashish
doing exactly what I need
Search Tips: Version 2.6 from http://mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm 
Find Record 2000

Dan and Dev thank's a lot for your response

/kostas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...


> This is what I do:
>
> Dim stg as String
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
>
> stg = "SELECT Title FROM tblName" _
>     & " WHERE Title = '" & txtTitle & "'"
> Set rst = Currentdb.Openrecordset(stg,dbopensnapshot)
> If rst.EOF = False then
> Msgbox txtTitle & " already exists!"
> End if
> rst.close
> Set rst = nothing
>
>
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>
> Hi Dev,
> may be I was not so specific in my previous message.
> So, what I want to know is not the duplicates records general
> but typing a Title to know if that record there is into the database
>
> thank's
> /kostas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>
>
>> Hi Kostas,
>>
>> Off the top of my head, there is a wizard in Access to write a 'Look for
>> Duplicates' query.  You should be able to run it against this Union 
>> query.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
>> Konstantinidis
>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:56 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] searching into a union query...
>>
>> hey group,
>> I use the follown union
>>
>> SELECT [Title], [Year], [IDdirector], [IDcomposer]
>> FROM [MT_basic_char]
>>
>> UNION ALL SELECT [title_collection], [year_collection],
>> [IDdirector_collection], [IDcomposer_collection]
>> FROM [RT_AM_COLLECTION_SUBFORM];
>>
>> because of about 15000 records what I need to know is if there is a
>> [Title]
>> either in MT_basic_char or in RT_AM_COLLECTION
>> I was wondering if it could be possible to make a button, when clicking 
>> to
>> get back a searching form on that Union Query
>> something like the default msaccess's
>>
>>    Screen.PreviousControl.SetFocus
>>    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 10, , acMenuVer70
>>
>> but on that specific Union Query
>>
>> many thank's
>> /kostas
>>
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Apr  1 16:51:08 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:51:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source property?
Message-ID: <000c01c774a7$db729af0$1bb82ad1@SusanOne>

A literal SQL string or a fixed query? 

Susan H. 



From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sun Apr  1 17:49:39 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:49:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source
	property?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c774a7$db729af0$1bb82ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c774b0$08f7c470$2101a8c0@AB>

Same:
Behind the scenes Access creates a fixed query for the literal string.
You can see the hidden fixed query which is prefixed by a "~" using
following code in a form module:
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    For Each qdf In dbs.QueryDefs
        Debug.Print qdf.Name
    Next qdf

Asger

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Sendt: 1. april 2007 23:51
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Emne: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source property?

A literal SQL string or a fixed query? 

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Apr  1 18:25:33 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:25:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row
	Sourceproperty?
In-Reply-To: <000001c774b0$08f7c470$2101a8c0@AB>
References: <000c01c774a7$db729af0$1bb82ad1@SusanOne>
	<000001c774b0$08f7c470$2101a8c0@AB>
Message-ID: <001601c774b5$0c332710$dd34fad1@SusanOne>

Well, that's interesting. I couldn't really identify any of mine to a
specific control object though. 

So, do you think there's no appreciable difference between the two then --
as a performance issue? It seems to me, that pure SQL should always be
faster, regardless of how Access communicates it to Jet. 

Susan H. 

Same:
Behind the scenes Access creates a fixed query for the literal string.
You can see the hidden fixed query which is prefixed by a "~" using
following code in a form module:
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    For Each qdf In dbs.QueryDefs
        Debug.Print qdf.Name
    Next qdf

Asger

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Emne: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's Row Source property?

A literal SQL string or a fixed query? 

Susan H. 

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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sun Apr  1 19:14:24 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:14:24 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's RowSourceproperty?
In-Reply-To: <001601c774b5$0c332710$dd34fad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000101c774bb$e4d3f170$2101a8c0@AB>

Hi Susan,
A fixed query is precompiled, making it faster than a pure SQL statement.
That's why Access's performance-analyser in older versions recommended using
stored (fixed/persisted) queries as record-sources and control-sources.
Newer versions of Access - I don't remember when, but I think after 97 -
doesn?t make this recommendation.
Reason: not that pure SQL is faster, but because Access creates the
persisted and precompiled query by itself.
I always use pure SQL statements because I don't want to fill up my pane of
query-objects in Access, and because it makes my forms and reports much more
immune to cleaning up of queries: ever tried to delete an "obsolete" stored
query, which was actually used by some component? I guess.

Asger


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 2. april 2007 01:26
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's RowSourceproperty?

Well, that's interesting. I couldn't really identify any of mine to a
specific control object though. 

So, do you think there's no appreciable difference between the two then --
as a performance issue? It seems to me, that pure SQL should always be
faster, regardless of how Access communicates it to Jet. 

Susan H. 

Same:
Behind the scenes Access creates a fixed query for the literal string.
You can see the hidden fixed query which is prefixed by a "~" using
following code in a form module:
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    For Each qdf In dbs.QueryDefs
        Debug.Print qdf.Name
    Next qdf

Asger

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A literal SQL string or a fixed query? 

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From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Apr  1 20:25:01 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:25:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which is fasted as a list control's RowSourceproperty?
In-Reply-To: <000101c774bb$e4d3f170$2101a8c0@AB>
References: <001601c774b5$0c332710$dd34fad1@SusanOne>
	<000101c774bb$e4d3f170$2101a8c0@AB>
Message-ID: <002301c774c5$bce74180$dd34fad1@SusanOne>

 
Access, and because it makes my forms and reports much more immune to
cleaning up of queries: ever tried to delete an "obsolete" stored query,
which was actually used by some component? I guess.

=========I have to admit, I have. ;) 

Susan H. 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  2 02:22:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:22:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field
Message-ID: <s610cb57.065@cactus.dk>

Hi John

OK, the year 931 is clearly out of the range for SQL Server.
The "missing" date from the time-only records must represent a bug in the upsizer tool.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 01-04-2007 19:17 >>>
LOL, the upsizing wizard does not ETLL you what the problem is anymore,
although I think it used to.  Now it simply says "tblXXX failed to upsize".
>From past experience I knew that dates were a problem.  The "other date
problems" were dates before the valid date range of SQL Server.  Data entry
errors had left dates of 1/23/0931 for example where the intent was
1/23/1931.  Anything in 0931 is an invalid date to SQL Server but quite
valid to Access.  Likewise I had fields that only contained a date, using
the Time() function of VBA.  These are date fields that now contain
something like #13:53:02# with NO DATE.  These also failed to upsize until I
placed a bogus date in front of the time.  

The upsizing wizard used to IIRC update the table but generate an error
report with a list of records that failed to upsize.  Now (Access 2003) it
just silently fails and simply reports "tblXXX failed to upsize".  No clue
at all what went wrong.  I happen to know from hard experience that dates
caused me problems last time, and were in fact the ONLY thing that caused me
problems in the upsizing wizard, so I went looking for bad dates in the
specific tables that refused to upsize.  Sure enough, that is what I found.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server - Time only in date field

Hi John

But isn't the upsize thingy an Access tool?
This SQL should cause zero problems:

  insert into dbo_timetable (timefield) values (#12:00:00 AM#)

Which "other date problems" did you encounter? The datetime data type of
Access/JET is very strict on holding valid dates/times only.
This sounds very weird.

/gustav



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Apr  2 04:34:57 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 9:34:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
Message-ID: <20070402083500.7257E2B8D4F@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi William
Only just spotted this. You've probably done it by now, but..

I have an MDB which runs on a nightly schedule. What it does is slightly
different from yours in that it measures the difference in size between the
the live BE (well a copy actually) and one which it Compacts. It then emails
me telling me by how much the BE would shrink if I threw everyone out of the
system to run a compact. It's only a few lines of code and nothing you
couldn't do in your sleep but you're welcome to it if it's any use.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
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> Sent: 31 March 2007 22:23
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
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> ...I want to monitor the size of my be mdb's and gen an
> e-mail if they grow
> by a certain percentage in a given time frame ...has anyone
> already done
> this and have a solution they're willing to share?
>
> William Hindman
>


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From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Apr  2 04:52:40 2007
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:52:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
References: <20070402083500.7257E2B8D4F@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <016101c77510$cf92cf20$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Andy,
me too, please, if is possible...
Many thanks in advance,
    Ervin
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From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size


> Hi William
> Only just spotted this. You've probably done it by now, but..
>
> I have an MDB which runs on a nightly schedule. What it does is slightly
> different from yours in that it measures the difference in size between 
> the
> the live BE (well a copy actually) and one which it Compacts. It then 
> emails
> me telling me by how much the BE would shrink if I threw everyone out of 
> the
> system to run a compact. It's only a few lines of code and nothing you
> couldn't do in your sleep but you're welcome to it if it's any use.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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>> Sent: 31 March 2007 22:23
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>> ...I want to monitor the size of my be mdb's and gen an
>> e-mail if they grow
>> by a certain percentage in a given time frame ...has anyone
>> already done
>> this and have a solution they're willing to share?
>>
>> William Hindman
>>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Apr  2 06:53:30 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:53:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
Message-ID: <20070402105334.567F44FEC5@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Well there's not a lot to it really
=================================

Function CompactRepair()
Const strOldMDB As String = "X:\y\z\your.mdb"   'Amend as necessary
Const strNewMDB As String = "X:\y\z\Compacted.mdb"

Dim strSubject As String
Dim lngOldSize As Long
Dim lngNewSize As Long
Dim lngChange As Long
Dim lngOldSizeKB As Long
Dim lngNewSizeKB As Long
Dim lngChangeKB As Long
Dim lngOldSizeMB As Long
Dim lngNewSizeMB As Long
Dim lngChangeMB As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim strSQL As String


On Error GoTo Repair_Err
lngOldSize = FileLen(strOldMDB)
DBEngine.RepairDatabase strOldMDB

On Error Resume Next
Kill strNewMDB
On Error GoTo Compact_Err
DBEngine.CompactDatabase strOldMDB, strNewMDB
lngNewSize = FileLen(strNewMDB)
lngChange = lngOldSize - lngNewSize

lngOldSizeKB = lngOldSize / 1024
lngNewSizeKB = lngNewSize / 1024
lngChangeKB = lngChange / 1024
lngOldSizeMB = lngOldSizeKB / 1024
lngNewSizeMB = lngNewSizeKB / 1024
lngChangeMB = lngChangeKB / 1024

strSubject = "Repair & Compact: SUCCESS " & lngOldSizeMB & "mb To " &
lngNewSizeMB & "mb (saving " & lngChangeMB & "mb)"

'My email routine takes two parameters - body and subject. You'll do your
own thing no doubt.
Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Repair and Compact of " & strOldMDB & " ran
successfully" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
& "Old Size " & Format(lngOldSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _
& "New Size " & Format(lngNewSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _
& "Reduction Of " & Format(lngChangeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
& "NOTE THAT THIS HAS ONLY BEEN RUN ON AN OFF-LINE COPY OF TITUSDAT.MDB FOR
INFORMATION PURPOSES." _
, strSubject)

'I also keep a record in a stats table
strSQL = "INSERT INTO COMPSTAT (CST_DATE, CST_FROM, CST_TO) VALUES(Now()," &
lngOldSizeKB & ", " & lngNewSizeKB & ")"
Set db = CurrentDb
db.Execute strSQL

CompactRepair_Exit:
On Error Resume Next
db.Close: Set db = Nothing
Exit Function

Repair_Err:
strSubject = "Repair & Compact: FAILED"
Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Repair of " & strOldMDB & " failed with error " &
Err & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & Err.Description, strSubject)
Resume CompactRepair_Exit
Resume 0

Compact_Err:
strSubject = "Repair & Compact: FAILED"
Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Compact of " & strOldMDB & " failed with error " &
Err & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & Err.Description, strSubject)
Resume CompactRepair_Exit
Resume 0

End Function
==========================================


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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
Date: 02/04/07 10:25


Andy,
me too, please, if is possible...
Many thanks in advance,
Ervin
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From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size


> Hi William
> Only just spotted this. You've probably done it by now, but..
>
> I have an MDB which runs on a nightly schedule. What it does is slightly
> different from yours in that it measures the difference in size between
> the
> the live BE (well a copy actually) and one which it Compacts. It then
> emails
> me telling me by how much the BE would shrink if I threw everyone out of
> the
> system to run a compact. It's only a few lines of code and nothing you
> couldn't do in your sleep but you're welcome to it if it's any use.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> William Hindman
>> Sent: 31 March 2007 22:23
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
>>
>>
>> ...I want to monitor the size of my be mdb's and gen an
>> e-mail if they grow
>> by a certain percentage in a given time frame ...has anyone
>> already done
>> this and have a solution they're willing to share?
>>
>> William Hindman
>>
>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  2 06:31:59 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:31:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
Message-ID: <000901c7751a$872c5ee0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  2 06:51:40 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 04:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
Message-ID: <41363.41171.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You can do a passthrough query to the master database and execute this system stored procedure. 

EXEC SP_WHO
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



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To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:31:59 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server


Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Apr  2 07:50:38 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:50:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
References: <20070402105334.567F44FEC5@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000901c77525$847c8020$982b124c@50nm721>

Andy

...thanks much ...I did find some code over on Dev's site that looked like 
it might be adapted to what I wanted ...but your's looks like it should do 
the job nicely ...I'll give it a shot ..tks again.

William Hindman

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size


> Well there's not a lot to it really
> =================================
>
> Function CompactRepair()
> Const strOldMDB As String = "X:\y\z\your.mdb"   'Amend as necessary
> Const strNewMDB As String = "X:\y\z\Compacted.mdb"
>
> Dim strSubject As String
> Dim lngOldSize As Long
> Dim lngNewSize As Long
> Dim lngChange As Long
> Dim lngOldSizeKB As Long
> Dim lngNewSizeKB As Long
> Dim lngChangeKB As Long
> Dim lngOldSizeMB As Long
> Dim lngNewSizeMB As Long
> Dim lngChangeMB As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim strSQL As String
>
>
> On Error GoTo Repair_Err
> lngOldSize = FileLen(strOldMDB)
> DBEngine.RepairDatabase strOldMDB
>
> On Error Resume Next
> Kill strNewMDB
> On Error GoTo Compact_Err
> DBEngine.CompactDatabase strOldMDB, strNewMDB
> lngNewSize = FileLen(strNewMDB)
> lngChange = lngOldSize - lngNewSize
>
> lngOldSizeKB = lngOldSize / 1024
> lngNewSizeKB = lngNewSize / 1024
> lngChangeKB = lngChange / 1024
> lngOldSizeMB = lngOldSizeKB / 1024
> lngNewSizeMB = lngNewSizeKB / 1024
> lngChangeMB = lngChangeKB / 1024
>
> strSubject = "Repair & Compact: SUCCESS " & lngOldSizeMB & "mb To " &
> lngNewSizeMB & "mb (saving " & lngChangeMB & "mb)"
>
> 'My email routine takes two parameters - body and subject. You'll do your
> own thing no doubt.
> Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Repair and Compact of " & strOldMDB & " ran
> successfully" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
> & "Old Size " & Format(lngOldSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _
> & "New Size " & Format(lngNewSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _
> & "Reduction Of " & Format(lngChangeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf 
> _
> & "NOTE THAT THIS HAS ONLY BEEN RUN ON AN OFF-LINE COPY OF TITUSDAT.MDB 
> FOR
> INFORMATION PURPOSES." _
> , strSubject)
>
> 'I also keep a record in a stats table
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO COMPSTAT (CST_DATE, CST_FROM, CST_TO) VALUES(Now()," 
> &
> lngOldSizeKB & ", " & lngNewSizeKB & ")"
> Set db = CurrentDb
> db.Execute strSQL
>
> CompactRepair_Exit:
> On Error Resume Next
> db.Close: Set db = Nothing
> Exit Function
>
> Repair_Err:
> strSubject = "Repair & Compact: FAILED"
> Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Repair of " & strOldMDB & " failed with error " 
> &
> Err & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & Err.Description, strSubject)
> Resume CompactRepair_Exit
> Resume 0
>
> Compact_Err:
> strSubject = "Repair & Compact: FAILED"
> Call YourOwnEmailRoutine("Compact of " & strOldMDB & " failed with error " 
> &
> Err & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & Err.Description, strSubject)
> Resume CompactRepair_Exit
> Resume 0
>
> End Function
> ==========================================
>
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
> Date: 02/04/07 10:25
>
>
> Andy,
> me too, please, if is possible...
> Many thanks in advance,
> Ervin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
>
>
>> Hi William
>> Only just spotted this. You've probably done it by now, but..
>>
>> I have an MDB which runs on a nightly schedule. What it does is slightly
>> different from yours in that it measures the difference in size between
>> the
>> the live BE (well a copy actually) and one which it Compacts. It then
>> emails
>> me telling me by how much the BE would shrink if I threw everyone out of
>> the
>> system to run a compact. It's only a few lines of code and nothing you
>> couldn't do in your sleep but you're welcome to it if it's any use.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> William Hindman
>>> Sent: 31 March 2007 22:23
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] ...monitoring be mdb size
>>>
>>>
>>> ...I want to monitor the size of my be mdb's and gen an
>>> e-mail if they grow
>>> by a certain percentage in a given time frame ...has anyone
>>> already done
>>> this and have a solution they're willing to share?
>>>
>>> William Hindman
>>>
>>
>
>
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  2 07:54:05 2007
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 05:54:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] VSTO and/or/vs Access 2007
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA25891E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <70344.76962.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thnx for the many replies and links! This was exactly
what I needed to find.

Summary,
It is possible to use .Net using Add-ins. However,
Charlotte is also correct in saying that it is not
possible to write .Net code in Access!

Regards,

Sander


--- Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
wrote:

> But those aren't created in Access, they're created
> in VS.Net and used
> as an add-in in Access.  Not the same thing at all
> as writing .Net code
> in Access.
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] VSTO and/or/vs Access 2007
> 
>
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa902693.aspx
> 
> <quote>
> Microsoft Office Access 2007 adds a new capability,
> making managed
> add-ins (that is, add-ins that run code created by
> using Microsoft
> Visual Studio 2005, written in either Microsoft
> Visual Basic or
> Microsoft Visual C#) both possible and relatively
> easy to create. Now
> you can use professional tools for creating managed
> applications, and
> incorporate the rich and powerful functionality of
> the Microsoft .NET
> Framework. 
> ...
> In this article, we demonstrate creating a simple
> add-in by using the
> Visual Studio Shared Add-in template. We provide
> code and instructions
> (in Visual Basic and in C#) so you can try this in
> the language that you
> prefer.
> </quote>  
> 
> On 29 Mar 2007 at 9:45, Martin Reid wrote:
> 
> > Sander
> > 
> > You can consume .NET components within Access and
> call web services 
> > etc. I have seen this done but haven't actually
> done it. From the 
> > other side you can use access within .net
> applications much like 
> > calling another database from a .NET application.
> > 
> > There are several web casts available on using
> Access 2003 and .NET
> > 
> > http://www.officeusers.org/see/26427
> > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/accesscook2/
> > 
> > But you may notice in all the tech stuff out there
> re Office and .NET 
> > Access gets little attention.
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > Martin WP Reid
> > Training and Assessment Unit
> > Riddle Hall
> > Belfast
> > 
> > tel: 02890 974477
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on
> behalf of Sad Der
> > Sent: Thu 29/03/2007 07:29
> > To: Acces User Group
> > Subject: [AccessD] VSTO and/or/vs Access 2007
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Can anybody provide with some
> links/info/docs/books etc about 
> > programming Access 2007 and what it's relation is
> with VSTO.
> > 
> > As I understand i can use vb.net / c# in Access
> 2007.
> > I cannot figure out how?!?!
> > When opening Access 2007 and going to code...I see
> vba.
> > In VS2005 I cannot find an Office project for
> access?!
> > 
> > Many TIA!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Sander
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr  2 09:05:46 2007
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:05:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003
In-Reply-To: <000901c773c2$d9d65320$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
References: <000901c773c2$d9d65320$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
Message-ID: <00cb01c77530$057210f0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>

MZ-Tools has a good replacement with many other tools also.

http://mztools.com/v3/download.htm 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Myke Myers
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:31 PM
To: 'Database Advisors'
Subject: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003

I've been using the Access 2000 XP MOD 'VBA Error Handler' for years and I
like it.
 
I installed Access 2003 on the same computer and the VBA Error Handler
appeared in the Visual Basic Add Ins and worked normally.
 
I installed Access 2003 on a new computer and I can't find a way to get 'VBA
Error Handler' installed. It's not in the Access 2003 Developer Extensions.
 
I've searched the web and Google Group with no success.
 
Anyone have a suggestion?
 
TIA,
 
Myke

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Mon Apr  2 09:47:17 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:47:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <41363.41171.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0JFV00KQYL2YKZ00@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

Sp_who and sp_who2 will give you processes and connections...not unique
users.

This gives you a count of processes connected to the specified database name

select count(*) from master.dbo.sysprocesses
where dbid = db_id('databasename') 

This gives you unique logins connected to the specified database name

select distinct loginame from master.dbo.sysprocesses
where loginame = 'userlogin'
and dbid = db_id('databasename')

NOTE: if your application's processes use one login for all users then you
won't get a true value. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

You can do a passthrough query to the master database and execute this
system stored procedure. 

EXEC SP_WHO
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases Visit me at ==>
http://www.prodev.us


----- Original Message ----
From: JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:31:59 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server


Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  2 11:13:03 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:13:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7733e$0683b550$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA25895B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00bb01c77338$e6dbb630$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000b01c7733e$0683b550$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258964@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 >Tyrants and dictators do things like this to stay in power

LOL Sounds like IT to me!

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny

Well, a company could set up some methodology where you have at least
two groups in house whose job it is to spy on each other, and create
situations for them to constantly distrust each other.  Then fire
someone once in a while and 'imply' it was for security reasons.  

Tyrants and dictators do things like this to stay in power.  Maybe it'll
work in IT too!

Dan



-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny

If I run short, I can make my own. :)

But all seriousness aside, our paper's business section seems to cover
them.
Maybe they've got a techie on staff.  San Diego is also very highly
wired.
So there's maybe more than average readership for this stuff.

But I was wondering if it's possible to stop an inside job.  If there is
some way to ultimately secure the data.  

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny

Hi Rocky:

You definitely seem to have to line on all the latest major database
errors.
:-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday but not funny

From: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070330/news_1b30tjx.html
 
TJX data breach now called world's largest
45.7 million cards were compromised
 
You can read the details yourself but this snip stood out:
 
The TJX case would "probably serve as a case study for computer security
and business students for years to come," said Beth Givens, director of
the San Diego-based Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. "This one could be
considered a worst-case scenario." 

One reason, Givens said, is because of TJX's disclosure late Wednesday
that it believed the hacker or hackers "had access to the decryption
tool for the encryption software utilized by TJX." 

Rocky

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  2 11:25:27 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:25:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c77530$057210f0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
References: <000901c773c2$d9d65320$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
	<00cb01c77530$057210f0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA25896A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I couldn't get by without MZ-Tools!  I even use it in VS 2005.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Myke Myers
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003

MZ-Tools has a good replacement with many other tools also.

http://mztools.com/v3/download.htm 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Myke Myers
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:31 PM
To: 'Database Advisors'
Subject: [AccessD] MOD VBA Error Handler for Access 2003

I've been using the Access 2000 XP MOD 'VBA Error Handler' for years and
I like it.
 
I installed Access 2003 on the same computer and the VBA Error Handler
appeared in the Visual Basic Add Ins and worked normally.
 
I installed Access 2003 on a new computer and I can't find a way to get
'VBA Error Handler' installed. It's not in the Access 2003 Developer
Extensions.
 
I've searched the web and Google Group with no success.
 
Anyone have a suggestion?
 
TIA,
 
Myke

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Apr  2 13:24:05 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:24:05 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista
Message-ID: <20070402182248.PGCL19815.fep02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Group,

This was sent late Friday night but may have been overlooked in the 
excitement of the weekend.

Has anyone tested whether Access 97 runtime will run with Windows Vista?

Any potential problems to what out for?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Apr  2 14:00:02 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:00:02 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <20070402182248.PGCL19815.fep02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000601c77559$1e8f37b0$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello David,

My guess is that MS Access 97 runtime should work fine on MS Windows Vista.
MS Windows Vista is compatible and is based on "good old" MS Windows
95->98->(2000+XP+2003) versions - it's just 4% .NET based
(http://www.grimes.demon.co.uk/dotnet/vistaAndDotnet.htm ) and all the rest
is still (and will ever be?) COM-based...

I didn't test MS Access 97 on MS Windows Vista but I have MS Access 2003
installed and it worked OK...

VB6 works well on my MS Windows Vista system. I do not see why MS Access 97
runtime when properly installed (using SageKey scripts) should not work on
MS Windows Vista.

Just my guess...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista

Hi Group,

This was sent late Friday night but may have been overlooked in the 
excitement of the weekend.

Has anyone tested whether Access 97 runtime will run with Windows Vista?

Any potential problems to what out for?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Apr  2 14:51:24 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:51:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <20070402182248.PGCL19815.fep02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001301c77560$4bc2b430$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

David,

I don't know about the 97 runtime but I do know that Access XP runtimes
installed with Wise and Sagekey script installer do run on Vista, ours at
least.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 Runtime and Windows Vista

Hi Group,

This was sent late Friday night but may have been overlooked in the
excitement of the weekend.

Has anyone tested whether Access 97 runtime will run with Windows Vista?

Any potential problems to what out for?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 04:24:39 2007
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 02:24:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error?
Message-ID: <814078.68357.qm@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I need to reset the
CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString value for
my ADP (2002)

When I try:
CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString =
strConnString

I get the error:
Operation is not allowed when the object is open.

This is true because the following returns false:
?CurrentProject.Connection.State = adStateClosed 

So before setting the new connectstring property I try
to close the connection but none of the below seem to
work, although they do NOT return an error!
Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
CurrentProject.CloseConnection
CurrentProject.Connection.Close 
set CurrentProject.Connection = nothing (?? just
trying)

Goal: How can I set a new connect string?

Regards,
Sander
PS: I asked this before and got some good answers.
Throughout the app several functions are used that use
CurrentProject.Connection. These are called hundreds
of times!! I do not want to modify that code.


 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  3 05:28:40 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:28:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error?
Message-ID: <s612488f.091@cactus.dk>

Hi Sander

I don't think you can cut the connection belonging to CurrentProject ... that would be like kicking your own feet away.
I guess you need to create a new Connection object and then use that for whatever your purpose is.

/gustav

>>> accessd666 at yahoo.com 03-04-2007 11:24:39 >>>
Hi,

I need to reset the
CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString value for
my ADP (2002)

When I try:
CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString =
strConnString

I get the error:
Operation is not allowed when the object is open.

This is true because the following returns false:
?CurrentProject.Connection.State = adStateClosed 

So before setting the new connectstring property I try
to close the connection but none of the below seem to
work, although they do NOT return an error!
Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
CurrentProject.CloseConnection
CurrentProject.Connection.Close 
set CurrentProject.Connection = nothing (?? just
trying)

Goal: How can I set a new connect string?

Regards,
Sander
PS: I asked this before and got some good answers.
Throughout the app several functions are used that use
CurrentProject.Connection. These are called hundreds
of times!! I do not want to modify that code.



From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 06:25:05 2007
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:25:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error?
In-Reply-To: <s612488f.091@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <103875.36919.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I need this because we need to set/check the
databaseconnection from outside the database e.g. an
ini file.

If it isn't possible to reset the connection to
another sql server, than we've got a problem....

As I said before. Throughout the code the
CurrentProject.Connection is used to set the
connectstring. I feel a Find/Replace comming on... Not
something I would like to do because I have to test
all changes. 

Sander
PS: There are few changes (1-3) on the database per
day but these can have major financial conseq. E.g.
values below ?100.000 are neglected!!

--- Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Sander
> 
> I don't think you can cut the connection belonging
> to CurrentProject ... that would be like kicking
> your own feet away.
> I guess you need to create a new Connection object
> and then use that for whatever your purpose is.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> accessd666 at yahoo.com 03-04-2007 11:24:39 >>>
> Hi,
> 
> I need to reset the
> CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString value for
> my ADP (2002)
> 
> When I try:
> CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString =
> strConnString
> 
> I get the error:
> Operation is not allowed when the object is open.
> 
> This is true because the following returns false:
> ?CurrentProject.Connection.State = adStateClosed 
> 
> So before setting the new connectstring property I
> try
> to close the connection but none of the below seem
> to
> work, although they do NOT return an error!
> Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
> CurrentProject.CloseConnection
> CurrentProject.Connection.Close 
> set CurrentProject.Connection = nothing (?? just
> trying)
> 
> Goal: How can I set a new connect string?
> 
> Regards,
> Sander
> PS: I asked this before and got some good answers.
> Throughout the app several functions are used that
> use
> CurrentProject.Connection. These are called hundreds
> of times!! I do not want to modify that code.
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 07:10:30 2007
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error? SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <103875.36919.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <525747.82927.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gustav,

You're idea works...only 1.000.000 changes to go ;-)
Maybe a bit exadurated...

Regards,

Sander

--- Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I need this because we need to set/check the
> databaseconnection from outside the database e.g. an
> ini file.
> 
> If it isn't possible to reset the connection to
> another sql server, than we've got a problem....
> 
> As I said before. Throughout the code the
> CurrentProject.Connection is used to set the
> connectstring. I feel a Find/Replace comming on...
> Not
> something I would like to do because I have to test
> all changes. 
> 
> Sander
> PS: There are few changes (1-3) on the database per
> day but these can have major financial conseq. E.g.
> values below ?100.000 are neglected!!
> 
> --- Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sander
> > 
> > I don't think you can cut the connection belonging
> > to CurrentProject ... that would be like kicking
> > your own feet away.
> > I guess you need to create a new Connection object
> > and then use that for whatever your purpose is.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > >>> accessd666 at yahoo.com 03-04-2007 11:24:39 >>>
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I need to reset the
> > CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString value
> for
> > my ADP (2002)
> > 
> > When I try:
> > CurrentProject.Connection.ConnectionString =
> > strConnString
> > 
> > I get the error:
> > Operation is not allowed when the object is open.
> > 
> > This is true because the following returns false:
> > ?CurrentProject.Connection.State = adStateClosed 
> > 
> > So before setting the new connectstring property I
> > try
> > to close the connection but none of the below seem
> > to
> > work, although they do NOT return an error!
> > Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
> > CurrentProject.CloseConnection
> > CurrentProject.Connection.Close 
> > set CurrentProject.Connection = nothing (?? just
> > trying)
> > 
> > Goal: How can I set a new connect string?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sander
> > PS: I asked this before and got some good answers.
> > Throughout the app several functions are used that
> > use
> > CurrentProject.Connection. These are called
> hundreds
> > of times!! I do not want to modify that code.
> > 
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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Tue Apr  3 07:16:32 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:16:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ADP - Reset connection => Error?
In-Reply-To: <103875.36919.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <103875.36919.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200704032216.35054.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

On Tuesday 03 April 2007 21:25, Sad Der wrote:
> I need this because we need to set/check the
> databaseconnection from outside the database e.g. an
> ini file.
..
>
> --- Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Sander
> >
> > I don't think you can cut the connection belonging
> > to CurrentProject ... that would be like kicking
> > your own feet away.
> > I guess you need to create a new Connection object
> > and then use that for whatever your purpose is.
> >
..

Sander,

You CANNOT do this, CurrentProject is just, sort of like [Me].

   set Me = SomeOneElse ... ???

I know that CurrentProject is just about a great way to shortcut
the local active connection, but it has it's pitfall's, and this
is it!

BTW: You can't even do this elsewhere.  Even in a true OO language 
you can't 
	( this <= this.base; }

or 
	{ this <= cMyAccount(YourAccount); }



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From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr  3 08:36:06 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:36:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <008401c71400$b96b21f0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <001e01c775f5$083448b0$0f01a8c0@officexp>

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem

It may be a windows event conflict.  I am not sure if the timer is an Access
thing or Access running a windows api.  I do know that if Outlook happens to
be sending or receiving when I try and send an email from Access an error is
generated.  This may be way out in left field but something to consider.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem


I'll have to give this a try...but if it had any updates...they would have
to have been automatic...its an old box running 2K Server...and I haven't
run any updates in quite sometime.  The weird part for me...is I can run the
code from a button...but not a timer event???

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:12:25 -0500
>
>...have you tried a restore point before it started failing ...imnsho 
>Microsoft has returned to issuing updates without thoroughly vetting 
>them ...it seems everytime MS does an update these days, my phone 
>starts ringing :(
>
>William Hindman
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem
>
>
> >I am actually having a related issue right now.  I have a db that 
> >imports  data every 30 minutes...does an analysis...and emails 
> >results using  outlook.
> >  It worked fine for a year...and now outlook crashes almost 
> >everytime
>with
> > "An unknown Error".  If I execute the exact same code from a button 
> > instead of a timer, it runs fine...I'm lost at this time.  I need a 
> > way to send
>an
> > email without using outlook...I guess?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark A. Matte
> >
> >>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> >>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email Automation to Outlook problem
> >>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:09:03 +0100
> >>
> >>Hi Susan and Chris
> >>
> >>Oh, that's another story - I don't use Outlook - so I cannot help.
> >>Could it be an automatic Windows Updating issue?
> >>
> >>/gustav
> >>
> >> >>> ssharkins at setel.com 29-11-2006 17:40:32 >>>
> >>Gustav,
> >>
> >> This is something that Outlook seems to do on its own -- at least 
> >>on my system. An address that's worked for years will suddenly not 
> >>send. In the header, I can see the apostrophes. I delete the 
> >>address, re-enter it,
>and
> >>9
> >>times out of 10, it goes. No clue...
> >>
> >> In my case, there's no code involved -- this is all Outlook.
> >>
> >>Susan H.
> >>
> >>The obvious solution is to adjust your code to stop wrapping the 
> >>address in apostrophes.
> >>If, for some reason, that can't be done, change these to brackets like:
> >>
> >>   <johndoe at aol.com>
> >>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr  3 09:11:03 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:11:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <001e01c775f5$083448b0$0f01a8c0@officexp>
References: <008401c71400$b96b21f0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
	<001e01c775f5$083448b0$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <001b01c775f9$eb16e080$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
Windows OS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits





From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr  3 09:34:14 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:34:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <001b01c775f9$eb16e080$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <006401c775fd$27584360$0f01a8c0@officexp>

I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.

Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
can't figure out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

Hi John,

I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
Windows OS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  3 09:49:14 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:49:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <006401c775fd$27584360$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F16E7F21C2BEBD5BADD867ED2670@phx.gbl>

John,

I had a similar error recently...but not exactly the same...only some 
machine had the error...but all machines 'appeared' to be the same.  My 
problem was around DAO connections...in the VBA window, under 
tools...references...everyone had the same 3 things checked including DAO 
3.6

What I later found to be the problem was not what is checked...but what is 
available to be checked.  Apparently Access needs some of the old DLLs even 
though they are not checked in References.  My culprit was DAO 3.51. The 
machines that were having the problem with what seemed to be sound 
code...were indeed missing the 3.51 dll even though the db supposedly was 
not being used.  I copied the file to each machine, registered them...and 
everything worked fine.

Your error and mine weren't the same, but from what I can remember very 
similar...and both were good code and referenced automation.

at the time I found something on MS site describing the old dll missing 
issue...but I can't find it now.

Good Luck,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:34:14 -0400
>
>I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
>I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.
>
>Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
>can't figure out.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>
>Hi John,
>
>I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
>on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
>Windows OS.
>
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>
>I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.
>
>When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
>error.
>
>"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"
>
>The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
>2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install 
>on
>any of my other PCs.
>
>Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
>running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.
>
>I have totally removed Office and reinstalled.
>
>The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
>the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
>installing on this operating system"
>
>Anyone run into this yet.
>
>John Skolits
>
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Apr  3 09:56:05 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:56:05 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAA4@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

WAG. Is it possible the DAO reference was changed to an older version when
you installed VB or the ADO reference replaced the DAO? Just a thought.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue


I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.

Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
can't figure out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

Hi John,

I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
Windows OS.

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

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From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr  3 10:13:29 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:13:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue - SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAA4@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <007b01c77602$a3315580$0f01a8c0@officexp>

Bingo.
I copied over an older DAO 2.5/3.51 from one of my PCs.
Added it to my References and removed DAO 3.60 from the reference.
Compiled, and it worked.
Closed Access.
Opened it, removed Dao 2.5/3.51 reference and added back Dao 3.60.
And everything is now fine.

Weird.

Thanks for all your help!

John




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

WAG. Is it possible the DAO reference was changed to an older version when
you installed VB or the ADO reference replaced the DAO? Just a thought.
Jim Hale

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue


I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.

Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
can't figure out.



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

Hi John,

I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' page
on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a different
Windows OS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue

I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.

When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
error.

"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"

The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install on
any of my other PCs.

Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.

I have totally removed Office and reinstalled. 

The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may fix
the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
installing on this operating system"

Anyone run into this yet.

John Skolits



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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Apr  3 14:11:41 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
References: <BAY127-F16E7F21C2BEBD5BADD867ED2670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01c77623$eaa12230$982b124c@50nm721>

...two things I watch for here ...when code requires DAO 3.51 to compile it 
means I've got legacy code from an older version of Access running ...and 
when I start getting automation errors on one system and not on others, it 
usually points to the DAO/ADO references being out of sequence on that 
system ...which can happen when you do third party installs ...one reason I 
got religion about coding explicitly to DAO or ADO and not forcing Access to 
guess.
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue


> John,
>
> I had a similar error recently...but not exactly the same...only some
> machine had the error...but all machines 'appeared' to be the same.  My
> problem was around DAO connections...in the VBA window, under
> tools...references...everyone had the same 3 things checked including DAO
> 3.6
>
> What I later found to be the problem was not what is checked...but what is
> available to be checked.  Apparently Access needs some of the old DLLs 
> even
> though they are not checked in References.  My culprit was DAO 3.51. The
> machines that were having the problem with what seemed to be sound
> code...were indeed missing the 3.51 dll even though the db supposedly was
> not being used.  I copied the file to each machine, registered them...and
> everything worked fine.
>
> Your error and mine weren't the same, but from what I can remember very
> similar...and both were good code and referenced automation.
>
> at the time I found something on MS site describing the old dll missing
> issue...but I can't find it now.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>>From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
>>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:34:14 -0400
>>
>>I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
>>I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.
>>
>>Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . I
>>can't figure out.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>>
>>Hi John,
>>
>>I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8' 
>>page
>>on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a 
>>different
>>Windows OS.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>>
>>I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.
>>
>>When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
>>error.
>>
>>"Class does not support automation or does not support expected interface"
>>
>>The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and VB
>>2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not install
>>on
>>any of my other PCs.
>>
>>Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
>>running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.
>>
>>I have totally removed Office and reinstalled.
>>
>>The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may 
>>fix
>>the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
>>installing on this operating system"
>>
>>Anyone run into this yet.
>>
>>John Skolits
>>
>>
>>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  3 14:23:36 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:23:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
In-Reply-To: <001f01c77623$eaa12230$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F4046C65965877581B2145FD2670@phx.gbl>

My issue reared its ugly head in an A97 db that was created, and currently 
running, in A97.  The thing that concerned me was that I thought that if the 
libraries were not 'checked' under references...they were not used.  But in 
this case DAO 3.6 was checked and DAO 3.51 was not in the list.  Once I 
added the 3.51 dll to the machine and registered it(3.51 still NOT checked 
in references) the db ran fine...so this means that A97 still needed the 
other dll's even though they weren't checked.  With this being the 
case...what is the point of selecting the references if it is just going to 
use what it wants anyway?

I'm confused again?

Mark A. Matte




>From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:11:41 -0400
>
>...two things I watch for here ...when code requires DAO 3.51 to compile it
>means I've got legacy code from an older version of Access running ...and
>when I start getting automation errors on one system and not on others, it
>usually points to the DAO/ADO references being out of sequence on that
>system ...which can happen when you do third party installs ...one reason I
>got religion about coding explicitly to DAO or ADO and not forcing Access 
>to
>guess.
>William Hindman
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
>
>
> > John,
> >
> > I had a similar error recently...but not exactly the same...only some
> > machine had the error...but all machines 'appeared' to be the same.  My
> > problem was around DAO connections...in the VBA window, under
> > tools...references...everyone had the same 3 things checked including 
>DAO
> > 3.6
> >
> > What I later found to be the problem was not what is checked...but what 
>is
> > available to be checked.  Apparently Access needs some of the old DLLs
> > even
> > though they are not checked in References.  My culprit was DAO 3.51. The
> > machines that were having the problem with what seemed to be sound
> > code...were indeed missing the 3.51 dll even though the db supposedly 
>was
> > not being used.  I copied the file to each machine, registered 
>them...and
> > everything worked fine.
> >
> > Your error and mine weren't the same, but from what I can remember very
> > similar...and both were good code and referenced automation.
> >
> > at the time I found something on MS site describing the old dll missing
> > issue...but I can't find it now.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Mark A. Matte
> >
> >
> >>From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
> >>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> >>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
> >>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:34:14 -0400
> >>
> >>I just realized the SR-1 is not for XP. Only up till 2000
> >>I guess I assumed that a later version of 2.8 would be for XP as well.
> >>
> >>Either way, I still have the automation issue which for the life of me . 
>I
> >>can't figure out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:11 AM
> >>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
> >>
> >>Hi John,
> >>
> >>I can only answer the MDAC 2.8 issue.  You need to find the 'MDAC 2.8'
> >>page
> >>on MS's site.  There are several versions of MDAC 2.8, each for a
> >>different
> >>Windows OS.
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:36 AM
> >>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation issue
> >>
> >>I have a problem on my PC but it's not occurring on any other PC.
> >>
> >>When trying to do a CopyFromRecordset to Excel. I receive the following
> >>error.
> >>
> >>"Class does not support automation or does not support expected 
>interface"
> >>
> >>The only new thing I have done lately was to install SqlServer 2005 and 
>VB
> >>2005. These were not installed previous to this issue and are not 
>install
> >>on
> >>any of my other PCs.
> >>
> >>Ms Knowledgebase seems to point to using Access97 with Excel. But I'm
> >>running Access 2000. I have all the latest Service packs.
> >>
> >>I have totally removed Office and reinstalled.
> >>
> >>The other odd thing was I found an MDAC that's 2.8 SR1. Thinking it may
> >>fix
> >>the problem, I tried to run it and it said "This setup does not support
> >>installing on this operating system"
> >>
> >>Anyone run into this yet.
> >>
> >>John Skolits
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr  4 03:24:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:24:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables
Message-ID: <s6137cd2.012@cactus.dk>

Hi all

You have two tables each holding a field of some value, say an amount.
You wish to match the values in the first table with the closest value in the other table.

Here is one method with a subquery using Abs() to calculate the difference:

  SELECT 
    tblA.*, 
    tblB.*
  FROM 
    tblA, 
    tblB
  WHERE 
    tblB.ID=
      (Select Top 1 
        B.ID 
      From 
        tblB As B, 
        tblA As A 
      Where 
        A.ID = tblA.ID 
      Order By 
        Abs(A.ColumnA - B.ColumnB));

The IDs are the unique keys for the tables.

/gustav




From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Apr  4 04:11:06 2007
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed,  4 Apr 2007 11:11:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Open Web Link From Visual Basic
Message-ID: <13990550.813121175677866842.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203>

To all,

Think I am going mad, I am sure I have done this before and it's pretty easy....Basically I have a visual basic form with a menu option, when a user clicks that menu I want to open a link in a new browser. 

Can anyone help me on this.

Thanks in advance for all your help.



Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
07730 523179

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 05:06:33 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:06:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables
In-Reply-To: <s6137cd2.012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JFY00FUGX82EUD1@l-daemon>

Gustav:

Now that is a very slick piece of code.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables

Hi all

You have two tables each holding a field of some value, say an amount.
You wish to match the values in the first table with the closest value in
the other table.

Here is one method with a subquery using Abs() to calculate the difference:

  SELECT 
    tblA.*, 
    tblB.*
  FROM 
    tblA, 
    tblB
  WHERE 
    tblB.ID=
      (Select Top 1 
        B.ID 
      From 
        tblB As B, 
        tblA As A 
      Where 
        A.ID = tblA.ID 
      Order By 
        Abs(A.ColumnA - B.ColumnB));

The IDs are the unique keys for the tables.

/gustav


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 06:23:04 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:23:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables
References: <0JFY00FUGX82EUD1@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000701c776ab$9dc6b8c0$982b124c@50nm721>

...goes into my library.
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables


> Gustav:
>
> Now that is a very slick piece of code.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:24 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] How to match values that don't match from two tables
>
> Hi all
>
> You have two tables each holding a field of some value, say an amount.
> You wish to match the values in the first table with the closest value in
> the other table.
>
> Here is one method with a subquery using Abs() to calculate the 
> difference:
>
>  SELECT
>    tblA.*,
>    tblB.*
>  FROM
>    tblA,
>    tblB
>  WHERE
>    tblB.ID=
>      (Select Top 1
>        B.ID
>      From
>        tblB As B,
>        tblA As A
>      Where
>        A.ID = tblA.ID
>      Order By
>        Abs(A.ColumnA - B.ColumnB));
>
> The IDs are the unique keys for the tables.
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr  4 08:17:57 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:17:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Open Web Link From Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <13990550.813121175677866842.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203>
References: <13990550.813121175677866842.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203>
Message-ID: <4613A585.15412.256E0AEE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Apr 2007 at 11:11, paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

> Think I am going mad, I am sure I have done this before and it's pretty
> easy....Basically I have a visual basic form with a menu option, when a user
> clicks that menu I want to open a link in a new browser. 
> 
> Can anyone help me on this.

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Application.FollowHyperlink "http://www.lexacorp.com.pg"
End Sub

-- 
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr  4 09:27:16 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1175619601.18632.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677@is002023.gdls.com>

I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter 
functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million 
records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt 
the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's 
capacity increase.

Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to 
build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo 
boxes, or is there another way?

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems






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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 09:47:42 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:47:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <mailman.1.1175619601.18632.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704040747x6d12c182y369ef624aec710a@mail.gmail.com>

For this kind of thing I suggest trying out the built-in filter-by-form and
see how you like that.
Arthur


On 4/4/07, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
> records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
> the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> capacity increase.
>
> Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
> boxes, or is there another way?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> Stryker Mass Properties
> General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk  Wed Apr  4 11:26:56 2007
From: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk (John Porter)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:26:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Function references produce #Name? error
In-Reply-To: <460B84EC.15634.6746584F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <s60a48e9.028@cactus.dk>,
	<5E1BB9C46D0B4E448812F5DEDEF234D0C5AA37@BE-SCAM2.ds.strath.ac.uk>
	<460B84EC.15634.6746584F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5E1BB9C46D0B4E448812F5DEDEF234D0CF89B7@BE-SCAM2.ds.strath.ac.uk>

There were no missing references, but adding or deleting a reference
(any reference, it appears) fixed the problem. This wasn't just because
the change caused decompilation, because a trivial change to the code
had no effect.

My thanks to all who contributed suggestions.

Regards, 


John R. Porter
IT Services
University of Strathclyde
Jordanhill Campus
86 Southbrae Drive
Glasgow
G13 1PP
e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk
Tel.: 0141 950 3289

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: 29 March 2007 00:21
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Function references produce #Name? error

SOunds like a missing reference. In the VBE, go to Tools-References and
look for one with an X beside it.  

On 28 Mar 2007 at 11:09, John Porter wrote:

> When I installed an Access 2003 application on a client's machine, I 
> found that, if the control source of a text box is an expression 
> including a function reference (e.g. Ucase('a')) the text box displays

> a #Name? error. This happens even if I choose to 'unblock unsafe 
> expressions' when opening the app., or set macro security to low.
> 
> Functions evaluate correctly in VBA code. In a new app. created on the

> client's machine, function refs. work OK in a text box, and if I 
> import the objects from the problem app., everything works fine.
> 
> I'd be really grateful if anyone could suggest an explanation or 
> solution of this problem.
> 
> Regards,    
> 
> 
> John R. Porter
> IT Services
> University of Strathclyde
> Jordanhill Campus
> 86 Southbrae Drive
> Glasgow
> G13 1PP
> e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk
> Tel.: 0141 950 3289
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr  4 12:10:48 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:10:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OF234935E9.2695B4BA-ON852572B3.005DE0CD-852572B3.005E5F2F@is002023.gdls.com>

Thanks, but unfortunately the filter-by-form doesn't yield a list of all 
the candidates for each field like Excel's AutoFilter does. "Is Null" and 
"Is Not Null" doesn't help much. With 40+ fields, most of which they want 
to filter on, I can't require them to know all the candidates for each 
field.


Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


Message: 9
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:47:42 -0400
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
                 <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID:
 <29f585dd0704040747x6d12c182y369ef624aec710a at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

For this kind of thing I suggest trying out the built-in filter-by-form 
and
see how you like that.
Arthur


On 4/4/07, ewaldt at gdls.com <ewaldt at gdls.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 
million
> records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I 
doubt
> the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> capacity increase.
>
> Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40 combo
> boxes, or is there another way?
>
> TIA.
>
> Thomas F. Ewald
> Stryker Mass Properties
> General Dynamics Land Systems







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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr  4 12:22:38 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:22:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>

Thomas,

First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
That is extremely poor design.

And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I
think about that.

Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the
results of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load
the source for the subform until you click on a button to 'find' the
results of the search criteria entered. As part of the search, give
them a field for the top X number of records. And do not let them
exceed a certain number.

Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)

I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart
& Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I
know how backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D
engineer. As well as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1
systems.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
>From: ewaldt at gdls.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID:
> 
><OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677 at is002023.gdls.com>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
>functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
>records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
>the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
>capacity increase.
>
>Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
>build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
>boxes, or is there another way?
>
>TIA.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr  4 12:48:30 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:48:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <OFDF66073B.C431595B-ON852572B3.00604D1E-852572B3.006124DB@
	is002023.gdls.com>
References: <200704041719.l34HJEIh015576@maiss02h.gdls.com>
	<OFDF66073B.C431595B-ON852572B3.00604D1E-852572B3.006124DB@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <200704041752.l34HqHU15390@databaseadvisors.com>

Even on their worst days, the engineers at YPG did not want
to search 1.5 mil records on a single screen.

If they want to filter based on all 40 columns, then add
combo boxes for all of them. Then build the SQL for the
subform source dynamically based on the comboboxes that
have been used to select data. It will be a lot of code-behind,
but it will never break like the Excel thing did.


At 12:41 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:

>Thanks. My sanity is questionable at best.
>
>I would never have recommended Excel for this job. The department 
>asking for help actually used Excel for this before I got here. A 
>guy put together some VBA to import the text data into Excel, 
>splitting it into several sheets, of course. He has left, and the 
>VBA now bombs (no pun intended). Since it no longer works, and since 
>it took 25 minutes to load when it did, they've asked for my help.
>
>Limiting them in any way but their own applied filters is not an option.
>
>If I can't find a way to fake an AutoFilter, I guess I'll use a 
>zillion or so comboboxes and go from there.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Thomas,
>
>First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
>That is extremely poor design.
>
>And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I
>think about that.
>
>Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the
>results of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load
>the source for the subform until you click on a button to 'find' the
>results of the search criteria entered. As part of the search, give
>them a field for the top X number of records. And do not let them
>exceed a certain number.
>
>Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)
>
>I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart
>& Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I
>know how backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D
>engineer. As well as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1
>systems.
>
>Robert
>
>At 12:00 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
> >From: ewaldt at gdls.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Message-ID:
> >
> ><OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677 at is002023 
> .gdls.com>
> >
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> >functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
> >records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
> >the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> >capacity increase.
> >
> >Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> >build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
> >boxes, or is there another way?
> >
> >TIA.
> >
> >Thomas F. Ewald
> >Stryker Mass Properties
> >General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
>intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged 
>information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or 
>act in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the 
>intended recipient, please return this message to the sender and 
>delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Your 
>cooperation is appreciated.


From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 13:14:52 2007
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (sgoodhall at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:14:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
Message-ID: <040420071814.638.4613EB1C00077E330000027E220682469304040E080B0101099C@comcast.net>

I found this article (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480727.aspx)  describing how to do this in .NET 2005.  Even there it ain't simple.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
> Even on their worst days, the engineers at YPG did not want
> to search 1.5 mil records on a single screen.
> 
> If they want to filter based on all 40 columns, then add
> combo boxes for all of them. Then build the SQL for the
> subform source dynamically based on the comboboxes that
> have been used to select data. It will be a lot of code-behind,
> but it will never break like the Excel thing did.
> 
> 
> At 12:41 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> 
> >Thanks. My sanity is questionable at best.
> >
> >I would never have recommended Excel for this job. The department 
> >asking for help actually used Excel for this before I got here. A 
> >guy put together some VBA to import the text data into Excel, 
> >splitting it into several sheets, of course. He has left, and the 
> >VBA now bombs (no pun intended). Since it no longer works, and since 
> >it took 25 minutes to load when it did, they've asked for my help.
> >
> >Limiting them in any way but their own applied filters is not an option.
> >
> >If I can't find a way to fake an AutoFilter, I guess I'll use a 
> >zillion or so comboboxes and go from there.
> >
> >Thomas F. Ewald
> >Stryker Mass Properties
> >General Dynamics Land Systems
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Thomas,
> >
> >First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
> >That is extremely poor design.
> >
> >And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I
> >think about that.
> >
> >Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the
> >results of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load
> >the source for the subform until you click on a button to 'find' the
> >results of the search criteria entered. As part of the search, give
> >them a field for the top X number of records. And do not let them
> >exceed a certain number.
> >
> >Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)
> >
> >I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart
> >& Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I
> >know how backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D
> >engineer. As well as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1
> >systems.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >At 12:00 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
> > >From: ewaldt at gdls.com
> > >Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Message-ID:
> > >
> > ><OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677 at is002023 
> > .gdls.com>
> > >
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > >
> > >I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> > >functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
> > >records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
> > >the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> > >capacity increase.
> > >
> > >Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> > >build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
> > >boxes, or is there another way?
> > >
> > >TIA.
> > >
> > >Thomas F. Ewald
> > >Stryker Mass Properties
> > >General Dynamics Land Systems
> >
> >
> >
> >This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
> >intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged 
> >information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or 
> >act in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the 
> >intended recipient, please return this message to the sender and 
> >delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Your 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr  4 13:28:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:28:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>

>I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D engineer.

And I grew up in the Bard valley, the shortcut between Yuma and the YPG.  My
uncle was a test driver for the tanks and other vehicles out there, in fact
he was killed in a rollover of a vehicle he was testing.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: ewaldt at gdls.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter

Thomas,

First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
That is extremely poor design.

And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I think
about that.

Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the results
of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load the source for the
subform until you click on a button to 'find' the results of the search
criteria entered. As part of the search, give them a field for the top X
number of records. And do not let them exceed a certain number.

Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)

I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart &
Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I know how
backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D engineer. As well
as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1 systems.

Robert



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr  4 13:52:59 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:52:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <200704041752.l34HqHU15390@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200704041719.l34HJEIh015576@maiss02h.gdls.com><OFDF66073B.C431595B-ON852572B3.00604D1E-852572B3.006124DB@is002023.gdls.com>
	<200704041752.l34HqHU15390@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c776ea$773c8bf0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thomas,

I've done this many times, and it takes a lot of repetitive code, but it
does work well.

An Example:

    '-- SELECT CASE BASED ON A COMBOBOX
    '-- cboStage IS THE FIRST FIELD IN THE LIST
    If Not IsNull(cboStage) Then
        Select Case cboStage
            Case "All"
                stgSQL = "Stage IS NOT NULL"
            Case "Open"
                stgSQL = "DateClosed IS NULL"
                blnFirstControl = True
            Case "Description"
                stgSQL = "Stage = 'Description'"
                blnFirstControl = True
            Case "Root Cause"
                stgSQL = "Stage = 'Root Cause'"
                blnFirstControl = True
            Case "Implement/Verify"
                stgSQL = "Stage = 'Implement/Verify'"
                blnFirstControl = True
            Case "Closed"
                stgSQL = "DateClosed Is Not Null"
                blnFirstControl = True
        End Select
    End If
    
    '-- TEXT BOX OR COMBOBOX   
    '-- ALL SUBSEQUENT FIELDS USE blnFirstControl 
    If Not IsNull(cboType) Then
        If blnFirstControl = True Then
            stgSQL = stgSQL & " AND Type = '" & cboType & "'"
        Else
            stgSQL = "Type = '" & cboType & "'"
            blnFirstControl = True
        End If
    End If

    '-- PARTIAL SEARCH FIELDS    
    stgComments = "*" & txtComments & "*"
    If Not IsNull(txtComments) Then
        If blnFirstControl = True Then
            stgSQL = stgSQL & " AND Comments Like '" & stgComments & "'"
        Else
            stgSQL = "Comments Like '" & stgComments & "'"
            blnFirstControl = True
        End If
    End If

    '-- DATES RANGES
    If Not IsNull(txtDateReportedAfter) Then
        If blnFirstControl = True Then
            stgSQL = stgSQL & " AND DateReported >= #" &
txtDateReportedAfter & "#"
        Else
            stgSQL = "DateReported >= #" & txtDateReportedAfter & "#"
            blnFirstControl = True
        End If
    End If

    '-- FINISH THE SEARCH CRITERIA STRING
    stgSQL = "WHERE " & stgSQL


HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:49 PM
To: ewaldt at gdls.com
Cc: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter

Even on their worst days, the engineers at YPG did not want
to search 1.5 mil records on a single screen.

If they want to filter based on all 40 columns, then add
combo boxes for all of them. Then build the SQL for the
subform source dynamically based on the comboboxes that
have been used to select data. It will be a lot of code-behind,
but it will never break like the Excel thing did.


At 12:41 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:

>Thanks. My sanity is questionable at best.
>
>I would never have recommended Excel for this job. The department 
>asking for help actually used Excel for this before I got here. A 
>guy put together some VBA to import the text data into Excel, 
>splitting it into several sheets, of course. He has left, and the 
>VBA now bombs (no pun intended). Since it no longer works, and since 
>it took 25 minutes to load when it did, they've asked for my help.
>
>Limiting them in any way but their own applied filters is not an option.
>
>If I can't find a way to fake an AutoFilter, I guess I'll use a 
>zillion or so comboboxes and go from there.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Thomas,
>
>First, are you nuts? Loading 1.5 million records just to filter them.
>That is extremely poor design.
>
>And to even consider Excel for the task...well, I won't say what I
>think about that.
>
>Build a search form.  Create a subform on it that will display the
>results of the things selected as part of the search. Do not load
>the source for the subform until you click on a button to 'find' the
>results of the search criteria entered. As part of the search, give
>them a field for the top X number of records. And do not let them
>exceed a certain number.
>
>Even you military contractor types should be able to use it. :-)
>
>I can say that because I developed the FRACAS system that Stewart
>& Stevenson used in the FMTV production system for the Army. So, I
>know how backward engineers can be. I also worked at YPG as a RAM-D
>engineer. As well as reporting on some of the testing on the M1A1
>systems.
>
>Robert
>
>At 12:00 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:27:16 -0400
> >From: ewaldt at gdls.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Message-ID:
> >
> ><OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677 at is002023 
> .gdls.com>
> >
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
> >functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5
million
> >records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
> >the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
> >capacity increase.
> >
> >Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
> >build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
> >boxes, or is there another way?
> >
> >TIA.
> >
> >Thomas F. Ewald
> >Stryker Mass Properties
> >General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
>intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged 
>information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or 
>act in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the 
>intended recipient, please return this message to the sender and 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Apr  4 14:02:04 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:02:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <OFA16E1530.228F9136-ON852572B3.004F0FEB-852572B3.004F6677@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <000901c776eb$bc5f9000$6401a8c0@nant>

Thomas,

You can make a form with 40 textboxes, one "slipping" combobox and subform.
If we assume that Group By/Select distinct on your 1.5 million records on
any of 40 fields is satisfactory speedy (<=3 sec to complete) (is it like
that?) then on GotFocus event of a textbox you can put over textbox (by
using VBA event processing code) a "slipping" combobox and fill its
rowsource with corresponding Group By data etc...

If getting filter values using Group By isn't a speedy enough process then
you can use temp database and fill it on start-up of your application and
show a progress bar form to the user recommending him to take a break and
drink some coffee while your filter form/temp database is getting
initialized...

In any case there will be not that much VBA coding to implement this
filtering form...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter

I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter 
functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million 
records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt 
the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's 
capacity increase.

Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to 
build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo 
boxes, or is there another way?

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems






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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 14:32:37 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:32:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>
	<009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>


Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP 
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  4 14:37:42 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:37:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <000901c776eb$bc5f9000$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F35A4C17308C2AC2B9EDCF8D2660@phx.gbl>

Shamil,

Sounds very interesting...but what do you mean by "slipping"?  Does it move?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:02:04 +0400
>
>Thomas,
>
>You can make a form with 40 textboxes, one "slipping" combobox and subform.
>If we assume that Group By/Select distinct on your 1.5 million records on
>any of 40 fields is satisfactory speedy (<=3 sec to complete) (is it like
>that?) then on GotFocus event of a textbox you can put over textbox (by
>using VBA event processing code) a "slipping" combobox and fill its
>rowsource with corresponding Group By data etc...
>
>If getting filter values using Group By isn't a speedy enough process then
>you can use temp database and fill it on start-up of your application and
>show a progress bar form to the user recommending him to take a break and
>drink some coffee while your filter form/temp database is getting
>initialized...
>
>In any case there will be not that much VBA coding to implement this
>filtering form...
>
>--
>Shamil
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:27 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>
>I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
>functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
>records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
>the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
>capacity increase.
>
>Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
>build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
>boxes, or is there another way?
>
>TIA.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
>intended
>recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged information.  No
>one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act in reliance on it or
>its attachments.  If you are not the intended recipient, please return this
>message to the sender and delete the message and any attachments from your
>computer. Your cooperation is appreciated.
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Apr  4 14:38:43 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:38:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086952@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Wonderful. Congrats AD much deserved.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wed 04/04/2007 20:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP




Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

--
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 14:43:15 2007
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:43:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086952@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com>
	<009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805> <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086952@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00704041243s7334bdd0nf23a4565cd545f5a@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats AD!

On 4/4/07, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Wonderful. Congrats AD much deserved.
>
> Martin
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Training and Assessment Unit
> Riddle Hall
> Belfast
>
> tel: 02890 974477
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Wed 04/04/2007 20:32
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
>
>
> Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
> award!
>
> If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr  4 14:48:07 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:48:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000501c776f2$2d85b8d0$87b82ad1@SusanOne>

Wow! I'm impressed! Congratulations! 

Susan H.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

--
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Apr  4 15:08:28 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 00:08:28 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F35A4C17308C2AC2B9EDCF8D2660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601c776f5$0474d860$6401a8c0@nant>

Mark,

By "slipping" I mean a combobox, which can be moved onto/showed upon one of
the 40 textboxes - the one, which gets focus.

Should I've better called it "jumping" or even "vagabond" combobox? :)

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter

Shamil,

Sounds very interesting...but what do you mean by "slipping"?  Does it move?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:02:04 +0400
>
>Thomas,
>
>You can make a form with 40 textboxes, one "slipping" combobox and subform.
>If we assume that Group By/Select distinct on your 1.5 million records on
>any of 40 fields is satisfactory speedy (<=3 sec to complete) (is it like
>that?) then on GotFocus event of a textbox you can put over textbox (by
>using VBA event processing code) a "slipping" combobox and fill its
>rowsource with corresponding Group By data etc...
>
>If getting filter values using Group By isn't a speedy enough process then
>you can use temp database and fill it on start-up of your application and
>show a progress bar form to the user recommending him to take a break and
>drink some coffee while your filter form/temp database is getting
>initialized...
>
>In any case there will be not that much VBA coding to implement this
>filtering form...
>
>--
>Shamil
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:27 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Simulate AutoFilter
>
>I'd like to create a form in Access which simulates the AutoFilter
>functionality in Excel. Basically, it's the size of the files (1.5 million
>records) that makes Excel less useful than it would be otherwise. I doubt
>the company wants to spring for Office 2007 just now to have Excel's
>capacity increase.
>
>Does anyone know of a sample database or just some instruction on how to
>build such a puppy? I've got about 40 fields; will this require 40  combo
>boxes, or is there another way?
>
>TIA.
>
>Thomas F. Ewald
>Stryker Mass Properties
>General Dynamics Land Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the 
>intended
>recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged information.  No
>one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act in reliance on it or
>its attachments.  If you are not the intended recipient, please return this
>message to the sender and delete the message and any attachments from your
>computer. Your cooperation is appreciated.
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 15:27:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:27:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
Message-ID: <003c01c776f7$a5ba7b10$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the
default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other reports.
 
So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that prints
the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
 
Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com

 

www.bchacc.com
 


 	
	


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 15:47:27 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:47:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <003c01c776f7$a5ba7b10$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003c01c776f7$a5ba7b10$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950704041347u3b063298v96fa4d98aa85871b@mail.gmail.com>

Why wouldn't you just change the report with the barcode to print to
the specific printer? And leave the default alone. What happens if he
has multiple applications going at once and the default printer is
presto chango switched to the little barcode dude?

GK

On 4/4/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that prints
> the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 15:57:45 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:57:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <000501c776f2$2d85b8d0$87b82ad1@SusanOne>
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805><4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
	<000501c776f2$2d85b8d0$87b82ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589D5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

And *I'm* impressed he still hangs around with us!!  LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

Wow! I'm impressed! Congratulations! 

Susan H.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 16:43:59 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:43:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002501c77702$5e44de00$982b124c@50nm721>

...well MS finally got something right! :)
...congrats AD.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


>
> Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
> award!
>
> If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 16:48:26 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:48:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
References: <003c01c776f7$a5ba7b10$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003601c77702$fa46c390$982b124c@50nm721>

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that 
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if 
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a 
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that prints
> the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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> 





From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 16:58:26 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:58:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JFZ00F0AU6K9670@l-daemon>

Congratulations A.D. Tejpal.

Well Done.

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 17:21:43 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:21:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JFZ00CGDV998690@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
details.

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP 
award!

If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 17:28:53 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:28:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950704041347u3b063298v96fa4d98aa85871b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004701c77708$a06f2230$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

I'd prefer to change the printer for that one report rather than the default
printer.  Problem is that I don't have that printer - don't know the name.
He's sophisticated enough that I could walk him through changing it in the
design view of the report but every time I send him an update he'd have to
go through the same change.  So I'd like to be able to do it in the load or
open event of the report.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Why wouldn't you just change the report with the barcode to print to the
specific printer? And leave the default alone. What happens if he has
multiple applications going at once and the default printer is presto chango
switched to the little barcode dude?

GK

On 4/4/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other
reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 17:32:03 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:32:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <003601c77702$fa46c390$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <004801c77709$11b3b730$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that prints
> the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 17:36:54 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:36:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <004701c77708$a06f2230$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <004b01c77709$bf9b8580$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Oops.  Just reviewed the code Gary.  I'm sending the stuff to the bar code
printer through a form.  See my code snip in reply to William.  I think I
have to change the default printer.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

I'd prefer to change the printer for that one report rather than the default
printer.  Problem is that I don't have that printer - don't know the name.
He's sophisticated enough that I could walk him through changing it in the
design view of the report but every time I send him an update he'd have to
go through the same change.  So I'd like to be able to do it in the load or
open event of the report.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Why wouldn't you just change the report with the barcode to print to the
specific printer? And leave the default alone. What happens if he has
multiple applications going at once and the default printer is presto chango
switched to the little barcode dude?

GK

On 4/4/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other
reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Wed Apr  4 17:41:02 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:41:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <004801c77709$11b3b730$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JFZ009ZOWCKVDU0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr  4 18:51:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:51:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <0JFZ009ZOWCKVDU0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <005201c77714$27af0020$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Excellent!  That's too easy.  I didn't know there was a printer parameter on
the .Open but I see it now - I just have it as a "" string. I already put a
combo box on the form with the installed printers and save the selection in
a front end preferences table.

Thank you.  




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Wed Apr  4 19:07:56 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:07:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <005201c77714$27af0020$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JG000DMM0DDKS32@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

Rocky,

You're welcome!

Here's a snippet of code you might be interested in. You can provide a JPG
preview of the label before your client prints it. :)

//export the labelformat image to a JPG file
newFile = btFormat.FileName.Replace(labelFormatPath, labelFormatExportPath);
btFormat.ExportToFile(newFile.Replace(".btw", ".JPG"), "JPG" ,
BarTender.BtColors.btColors24Bit,
BarTender.BtResolution.btResolutionPrinter,
BarTender.BtSaveOptions.btSaveChanges);

The code is in C#. Minor mods needed for the replace syntax since in VB this
is a function instead of a method.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Excellent!  That's too easy.  I didn't know there was a printer parameter on
the .Open but I see it now - I just have it as a "" string. I already put a
combo box on the form with the installed printers and save the selection in
a front end preferences table.

Thank you.  

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 19:53:38 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:53:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <0JFZ00CGDV998690@l-daemon>
References: <0JFZ00CGDV998690@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <46144892.2050104@shaw.ca>

A couple of other Access MVP's announced it
Roger Carlson on Access-D and Bill Mosca on MS Access Professional
Yahoo. The MVP's have their own newsletter, web site and mail list.
In fact they have a  3-Day meeting every year in Seattle.

A slightly out of date list of Access MVP's can be found here.
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx?product=1&competency=Microsoft+Office+Access

Once your on the list, it is permanent ;)  I know one Access MVP who 
tried to resign
MS wouldn't let him. He had a big disagreement with MS. Funnily
enough he is now working full time for MS.  That got him off the list.



Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
>details.
>
>TIA
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
>Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP 
>award!
>
>If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
>http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
>  
>

-- 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr  4 21:10:17 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:10:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
References: <0JFZ00CGDV998690@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000501c77727$8ef29180$982b124c@50nm721>

http://www.abhishekkant.net/2007/04/new-mvps-announced-in-south-asia.html
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


> Hi Marty:
>
> Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
> details.
>
> TIA
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
> Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
> award!
>
> If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 22:23:34 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:23:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <46144892.2050104@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JG0004HE98BCK00@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Thanks for the information. Much appreciated; but that still does not answer
the question of how, where and why you know A.D. Tejpal is now an MVP. Do
you have a 'secret' source that you can not be divulged? 

I have taken the liberty of posting A.D.'s win to the web site but am still
hesitant without proper validation or any collaboration. 

Jim      

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

A couple of other Access MVP's announced it
Roger Carlson on Access-D and Bill Mosca on MS Access Professional
Yahoo. The MVP's have their own newsletter, web site and mail list.
In fact they have a  3-Day meeting every year in Seattle.

A slightly out of date list of Access MVP's can be found here.
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx?product=1&competency=
Microsoft+Office+Access

Once your on the list, it is permanent ;)  I know one Access MVP who 
tried to resign
MS wouldn't let him. He had a big disagreement with MS. Funnily
enough he is now working full time for MS.  That got him off the list.



Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
>details.
>
>TIA
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
>Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP 
>award!
>
>If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
>http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
>  
>

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  4 22:33:20 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:33:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <000501c77727$8ef29180$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <0JG000FPC9OL93M0@l-daemon>

Hi William:

Thank you, for that info. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

http://www.abhishekkant.net/2007/04/new-mvps-announced-in-south-asia.html
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP


> Hi Marty:
>
> Where did you get this information? I have been unable to confirm the
> details.
>
> TIA
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
>
>
> Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
> award!
>
> If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
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From adtp at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  5 09:00:30 2007
From: adtp at hotmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:30:30 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
References: <mailman.1.1175706003.25268.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704041727.l34HRIU05827@databaseadvisors.com><009b01c776e7$093771e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<4613FD55.9070907@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV87E7D6972E78E05BE689BCE650@phx.gbl>

Marty,

    My sincere thanks. I have no illusions about my limitations and am well aware that Access-D is graced with a galaxy of experts far more qualified than me. In this context, I take the compliments from my fellow members as an expression of goodwill that I hold precious.

    Right through my association with this forum, I have been benefiting immensely from the wealth of knowledge contributed by various members.

    I would like to record my grateful thanks to my colleagues (mentioned below, in the order of the messages received) for so kindly taking time out to write words of encouragement:

    Martin Reid, David McAfee, Susan Harkins, Charlotte Foust, William Hindman, Jim Lawrence,

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 01:02
  Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

  Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP award!

  If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

  Marty Connelly
  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 09:09:45 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:09:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <0JG000DMM0DDKS32@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <00aa01c7778c$10621a60$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Eric:

A redundant thanks again, Eric.  I got the terse reply from my client this
A.M. "Got it. It works. Good job Rocky!" 

I pasted your snip into my code commented out in case he ever comes up with
the requirement.  I assume that the code will create the jpg but not display
it.  You have to trigger the display yourself?

Best regards,

Rocky


 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

You're welcome!

Here's a snippet of code you might be interested in. You can provide a JPG
preview of the label before your client prints it. :)

//export the labelformat image to a JPG file newFile =
btFormat.FileName.Replace(labelFormatPath, labelFormatExportPath);
btFormat.ExportToFile(newFile.Replace(".btw", ".JPG"), "JPG" ,
BarTender.BtColors.btColors24Bit,
BarTender.BtResolution.btResolutionPrinter,
BarTender.BtSaveOptions.btSaveChanges);

The code is in C#. Minor mods needed for the replace syntax since in VB this
is a function instead of a method.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Excellent!  That's too easy.  I didn't know there was a printer parameter on
the .Open but I see it now - I just have it as a "" string. I already put a
combo box on the form with the installed printers and save the selection in
a front end preferences table.

Thank you.  

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Thu Apr  5 09:21:13 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:21:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c7778c$10621a60$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JG100IMR3VIQT02@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

Yes the code simply outputs the JPG image. You will need code to display it
for your user. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Eric:

A redundant thanks again, Eric.  I got the terse reply from my client this
A.M. "Got it. It works. Good job Rocky!" 

I pasted your snip into my code commented out in case he ever comes up with
the requirement.  I assume that the code will create the jpg but not display
it.  You have to trigger the display yourself?

Best regards,

Rocky


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

You're welcome!

Here's a snippet of code you might be interested in. You can provide a JPG
preview of the label before your client prints it. :)

//export the labelformat image to a JPG file newFile =
btFormat.FileName.Replace(labelFormatPath, labelFormatExportPath);
btFormat.ExportToFile(newFile.Replace(".btw", ".JPG"), "JPG" ,
BarTender.BtColors.btColors24Bit,
BarTender.BtResolution.btResolutionPrinter,
BarTender.BtSaveOptions.btSaveChanges);

The code is in C#. Minor mods needed for the replace syntax since in VB this
is a function instead of a method.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Excellent!  That's too easy.  I didn't know there was a printer parameter on
the .Open but I see it now - I just have it as a "" string. I already put a
combo box on the form with the installed printers and save the selection in
a front end preferences table.

Thank you.  

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Rocky,

LOL! Guess what...I have a web-based app developed in C# that calls
Bartender.exe as a COM object. I provide the default printer in code this
way...

btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(labelFormatFileName, false, labelPrinter)

Where labelFormatFileName and labelPrinter are string values.

Since you don't know the printer name you can simply present him with a
select printer form that pulls up all available connected printers and then
pass the value from the combobox to your function so that it passes it on to
the labelPrinter variable.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

Actually, I just reviewed the code.  It's not a report.  It's a bunch of
calls to an object.  Bartender (cute, huh) is the name of the program and I
call it from inside the form.

Code snip:

        Set btFormat = btApp.Formats.Open(Me.fldFABLabelFile, False, "")

        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Part No. (P)", Me.fldFABPartNumber
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity",
Me.fldContainerTotalPieces
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "OrderNumber", Me.cboJobs.Column(1)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "ContainerNumber",
Me.fldContainerContainer
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Serial", Me.fldContainerID
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "PO #",
Nz(Me.fldJobsEndCustomerPONumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "LOT #", strVendorLot
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "Quantity Identifier", "Q"
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "R#",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
        btFormat.SetNamedSubStringValue "EngineeringChangeNumber",
Nz(Me.fldFABEngineeringChangeNumber)
       
        btFormat.PrintOut False, False

So I need to change the default printer and then change it back again.  I
used to have some code somewher to do this but can't find it.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Changing Printer

...I use the "Select specific printer" option in the report set-up ...that
report always uses the selected printer and the rest use the default ...if
the bar-code printer is not available for some reason, the user will get a
pop-up dialog asking if they want to select another printer.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Changing Printer


> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who installed a bar code printer.  If he makes it the 
> default printer that screws up all of this print previews on other 
> reports.
>
> So I'd like to change the default printer from inside the form that 
> prints the bar code labels and change it back to the default when done.
>
> Does anyone know of or have a code snip that does this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 10:48:26 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:48:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV87E7D6972E78E05BE689BCE650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d001c77799$d99c76c0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:
 
Let me add my belated congratulations on your MVP award.  I tried to send it
offline but the address I have for you is no longer valid.

Had they called me or anyone on the AccessD list, it would have happened
much sooner.  But no one deserves it more.  
 
With best regards,
 
Rocky
  




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

Marty,

    My sincere thanks. I have no illusions about my limitations and am well
aware that Access-D is graced with a galaxy of experts far more qualified
than me. In this context, I take the compliments from my fellow members as
an expression of goodwill that I hold precious.

    Right through my association with this forum, I have been benefiting
immensely from the wealth of knowledge contributed by various members.

    I would like to record my grateful thanks to my colleagues (mentioned
below, in the order of the messages received) for so kindly taking time out
to write words of encouragement:

    Martin Reid, David McAfee, Susan Harkins, Charlotte Foust, William
Hindman, Jim Lawrence,

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: MartyConnelly
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 01:02
  Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

  Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

  If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

  Marty Connelly
  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  5 11:34:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:34:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP
In-Reply-To: <00d001c77799$d99c76c0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <BAY139-DAV87E7D6972E78E05BE689BCE650@phx.gbl>
	<00d001c77799$d99c76c0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000101c777a0$472c5970$657aa8c0@m6805>

Likewise, my belated congrats.  MVP truly is a recognition of your ability,
and given your contributions to this list I would say a well deserved
recognition.

Good Job. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

A.D.:
 
Let me add my belated congratulations on your MVP award.  I tried to send it
offline but the address I have for you is no longer valid.

Had they called me or anyone on the AccessD list, it would have happened
much sooner.  But no one deserves it more.  
 
With best regards,
 
Rocky
  




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

Marty,

    My sincere thanks. I have no illusions about my limitations and am well
aware that Access-D is graced with a galaxy of experts far more qualified
than me. In this context, I take the compliments from my fellow members as
an expression of goodwill that I hold precious.

    Right through my association with this forum, I have been benefiting
immensely from the wealth of knowledge contributed by various members.

    I would like to record my grateful thanks to my colleagues (mentioned
below, in the order of the messages received) for so kindly taking time out
to write words of encouragement:

    Martin Reid, David McAfee, Susan Harkins, Charlotte Foust, William
Hindman, Jim Lawrence,

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: MartyConnelly
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 01:02
  Subject: [AccessD] Access-D member awarded MS Access MVP

  Congrats.  A.D. Tejpal has been awarded the Microsoft Office Access MVP
award!

  If you have never seen AD's samples , they're well worth a look:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

  Marty Connelly
  Victoria, B.C.
  Canada
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 12:09:08 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:09:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
Message-ID: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  5 12:17:40 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:17:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c7778c$10621a60$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JG100CYZBUFXSF0@l-daemon>

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those who
have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Apr  5 12:32:19 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:32:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003e01c777a8$5d24c390$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

I have a customer who has plants across North America, all on the same WAN.
I don't know what their throughput rate is though.

After using the system in one location for about a year, we tried putting
some client apps at the other sites.  The two folks I work directly with
were there at the time, and have told me that the app was as quick there as
it is here!  I was surprised - and happy.

My system is split FE/BE, and the usage is not high.

On the other hand, from home through their VPN connection, it takes me 20
minutes to open their system with my PC, so I don't.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr  5 13:00:44 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:00:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0CFF1CD0@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Rocky,

I have an app (not a commercial app - just something to support my users in their jobs) that runs on a server located in California, and my users (in California, Kansas, and Florida) connect via terminal services (Remote Desktop Connection) over our company's WAN.  FE and BE reside on the server, and each user gets a new instance of the FE in his/her TS.  My user count is usually <= 10, and the user experience is nearly the same as if the app were running as a FE/BE on their workstation.  When I connect from home, via VPN over a DSL connection, the response is nearly the same as when I'm at my desk at work.  Even via dialup, it's slower, but not so slow that I go crazy.

Don't know whether this strategy is appropriate to your situation, but may be worth a look see.

Don


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 13:07:58 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:07:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001b01c777ad$5875ef40$982b124c@50nm721>

...unplanned disconnects, even momentary, are the bane of any file server db 
system ...in my experience Access and WAN requires a Terminal Server or 
Citrix implementation to be both reliable and fast ...not to say it can't be 
done otherwise but that my experience with such sucks because disconnects 
are almost inevitable ...however, if you do go the TS route, your Access app 
can actually be faster in the user's view even though he's hundreds of miles 
away.

...btw, if you do look at this route, Citrix costs more than TS but their 
support is a whole lot better imnsho and well worth the extra bucks. TS in 
the mean time, is actually an older version of Citrix that MS licensed and 
has done some work with.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access


> Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a 
> WAN.
> Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
> dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
> experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this 
> regard?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 13:06:58 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:06:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FB@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Rocky,

I think it depends on the WAN, but we try to persuade our clients not to
try it, particularly if the broadband connection is "iffy" or "slow".
We've had a few do it anyhow because their IT departments were sure they
could make it work.  They live with it.  Remote dialup is ugly at any
speed unless you use a VPN and log into an active local workstation and
run the app from there.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a
WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus
folks dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have
any experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this
regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 13:11:47 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:11:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <0JG100CYZBUFXSF0@l-daemon>
References: <00aa01c7778c$10621a60$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<0JG100CYZBUFXSF0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
who have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  5 13:15:37 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:15:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JG100AJ4EIZJ0Y0@l-daemon>

Hi Rocky:

If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely done
enough of that type of work.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  5 13:18:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:18:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <001b01c777ad$5875ef40$982b124c@50nm721>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001b01c777ad$5875ef40$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <001101c777ae$d79c7b80$657aa8c0@m6805>

If the location with the file server has workstations with Windows 2003, you
can use remote desktop, at least two instances per computer.  Thus if the
client already had people inside that location (with windows 2003) running
the app, then another user could remote in to their machine and use the db.
They would have to have their own account etc.

Remote access is IMHO definitely the way to go, whether TS or other.  As
William says, disconnects will corrupt the database if the FE is running
remotely. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access

...unplanned disconnects, even momentary, are the bane of any file server db
system ...in my experience Access and WAN requires a Terminal Server or
Citrix implementation to be both reliable and fast ...not to say it can't be
done otherwise but that my experience with such sucks because disconnects
are almost inevitable ...however, if you do go the TS route, your Access app
can actually be faster in the user's view even though he's hundreds of miles
away.

...btw, if you do look at this route, Citrix costs more than TS but their
support is a whole lot better imnsho and well worth the extra bucks. TS in
the mean time, is actually an older version of Citrix that MS licensed and
has done some work with.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access


> Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a 
> WAN.
> Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
> dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
> experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this 
> regard?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  5 13:24:20 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:24:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>

Hi Charlotte:

So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant in
.Net and would find it very informative.

TIA

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
who have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 14:06:42 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:06:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!

Any questions?? LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant in
.Net and would find it very informative.

TIA

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
who have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr  5 14:54:30 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:54:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <0JG100AJ4EIZJ0Y0@l-daemon>
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Thanks to everyone for their replies on this.  I will forward your comments
to the prospect and let him decide how to proceed.

Best,

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Hi Rocky:

If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely done
enough of that type of work.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 15:06:49 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:06:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>
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Message-ID: <000d01c777bd$f38e6bf0$982b124c@50nm721>

...questions? ...not me ...I'm actually sorry Jim asked :)
...until I read that, I thought my schemas were so cool, eh.
William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL


> Eeek! How on earth would I do that??
>
> I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
> structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
> for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
> providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
> address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
> simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
> XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
> their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
> so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
> particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
> location.
>
> We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
> things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
> there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
> also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
> can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
> record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
> and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
> the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
> this in Access!
>
> Any questions?? LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Hi Charlotte:
>
> So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant in
> .Net and would find it very informative.
>
> TIA
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
> the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Hi All:
>
> There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
> who have used classes here is a new implementation:
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
> http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm
>
> Jim
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Apr  5 15:31:37 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:31:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
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Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2349F95@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Depends on the speed of their WAN.  50 mbps is a typical wireless speed,
so it's not bad at all...  However, go down to a T1, which is great for
the net, but an Access .mdb will take a bit just to open.  Complex
queries will take a while.  

I would recommend a web based front end.  Would work fine even over
dialup.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a
WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus
folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this
regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 15:40:33 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:40:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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Hey, I just work here! LOL  

Charlotte

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

...questions? ...not me ...I'm actually sorry Jim asked :) ...until I
read that, I thought my schemas were so cool, eh.
William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL


> Eeek! How on earth would I do that??
>
> I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
> structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
> for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
> providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
> address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
> simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL
(in
> XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
> their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider
classes,
> so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for
a
> particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
> location.
>
> We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
> things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
> there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
> also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where
it
> can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
> record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore
record
> and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
> the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try
modelling
> this in Access!
>
> Any questions?? LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Hi Charlotte:
>
> So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant
in
> .Net and would find it very informative.
>
> TIA
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
> the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
> Hi All:
>
> There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
> who have used classes here is a new implementation:
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
> http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  5 16:21:46 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:21:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JG1009F8N570201@l-daemon>

Hi Charlotte:

You bet... but if I asked all the questions that I want to ask the List
would reject that email due to size limitations.

Maybe some questions from the bottom or Server end. Is there any
white-papers on the design or is this the concept of some in-house guru?...
or your-self. Is there any recommended reference material?

Can I assume you are using SQL 2005? Is the SQL data stored as XML data or
translated on the fly? Is all the business logic stored on the server or is
it managed at the FE? Can I assume a desktop design? 

These are just a few of the broad questions I would like to know further
details on... ...and what is a Well record and wellBore record or is this
something to do with wells?

That is all for now 

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!

Any questions?? LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

So let us see some samples... Most of us here are at least conversant in
.Net and would find it very informative.

TIA

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Interesting article, particularly since it seems to encompass a lot of
the design approaches we already use in VB.Net.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi All:

There seems to be an interesting design for MS SQL Database. For those
who have used classes here is a new implementation:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx
http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr  5 16:45:30 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:45:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <0JG1009F8N570201@l-daemon>
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	<0JG1009F8N570201@l-daemon>
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No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

You bet... but if I asked all the questions that I want to ask the List
would reject that email due to size limitations.

Maybe some questions from the bottom or Server end. Is there any
white-papers on the design or is this the concept of some in-house
guru?...
or your-self. Is there any recommended reference material?

Can I assume you are using SQL 2005? Is the SQL data stored as XML data
or translated on the fly? Is all the business logic stored on the server
or is it managed at the FE? Can I assume a desktop design? 

These are just a few of the broad questions I would like to know further
details on... ...and what is a Well record and wellBore record or is
this something to do with wells?

That is all for now 

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!


From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  5 22:13:28 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
Message-ID: <297990.21670.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I do that?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us


 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  5 23:14:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:14:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
Message-ID: <000901c77802$0d82c490$657aa8c0@m6805>

Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
(active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out on
a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql server
is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From ebarro at verizon.net  Thu Apr  5 23:34:28 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:34:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <000901c77802$0d82c490$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager. 

EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'

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Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
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Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server

Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
(active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out on
a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql server
is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Apr  6 00:41:24 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 01:41:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
References: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>

...geez Eric. you could have allowed JC to at least sweat a bit longer :)

William Hindman

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server


> Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager.
>
> EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
>        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
>        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
> Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
> (active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out 
> on
> a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
> directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql server
> is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 00:40:20 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:40:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
In-Reply-To: <297990.21670.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <297990.21670.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4615DD44.5060907@shaw.ca>

Here is how to open IE with various sized windows and toolbars
just pass your URL to .Navigate property.
It doesn't have to be a URL can be file like pdf or xsl; local or remote

Sub testIEvarious()
'------------------
' display various formats Tiffs PDF XLS local or remote
'If you add a reference to "Microsoft Internet Controls"
'(SHDOCVW.DLL) you should be able to do:
'Public IE as .... and find "InternetExplorer" in the popup menu.
'So then you have what you wrote, which is early-bound,
'and you can use that as follows:

'   Public IE As InternetExplorer
'   Set IE = New InternetExplorer

Dim objExplorer As Object
Dim strReturn As String

Set objExplorer = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application")
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
objExplorer.Navigate "about:blank"
objExplorer.Toolbar = False
objExplorer.StatusBar = False
objExplorer.MenuBar = True
objExplorer.FullScreen = False
objExplorer.AddressBar = False

objExplorer.Width = 800
objExplorer.Height = 570
objExplorer.Left = 0
objExplorer.Top = 0
objExplorer.Visible = 1
'objExplorer.Navigate "http://www.databaseadvisors.com/"
'objExplorer.Navigate "192.168.0.1/st_devic.html"
'objExplorer.navigate "http://checkip.dyndns.org/"
objExplorer.Navigate "http://www.adobe.com/prodlist.pdf#page=3"
'objExplorer.navigate "C:\records management\aircanadacasestudy.pdf#page=4"
'objExplorer.Navigate "C:\records management\Copy of rim_guide_sarbanes.xls"
'objExplorer.Navigate 
"http://www.swimseattle.org/Forms/ScholorshipPolicy2003-2004.pdf"
'objExplorer.Navigate "file://C:\records 
management\aircanadacasestudy.pdf#page=3"
'objExplorer.navigate "C:\records management\aircanadacasestudy.pdf#page=2"
'objExplorer.Navigate 
"http://www.adobe.com/products/server/pdfs/customer_FAQ.pdf#page=3&zoom=200,250,100"
'objExplorer.Navigate "C:\Documents and Settings\marty\My Documents\My 
Pictures\VS.tif"
'objExplorer.Navigate "res://msxml.dll/defaultss.xsl"
Do While (objExplorer.Busy)
Loop

MsgBox "finished"
Set objExplorer = Nothing

End Sub



Lonnie Johnson wrote:

>I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I do that?
> 
>May God bless you beyond your imagination!
>Lonnie Johnson
>ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
>Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 05:34:20 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:34:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has it
core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick client
(this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed to thin
client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested in
how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML option in
.Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third party?) to the
actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML in MS SQL 2005 is
built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same capabilities.) I am not
interested in specifics just the concepts... Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

You bet... but if I asked all the questions that I want to ask the List
would reject that email due to size limitations.

Maybe some questions from the bottom or Server end. Is there any
white-papers on the design or is this the concept of some in-house
guru?...
or your-self. Is there any recommended reference material?

Can I assume you are using SQL 2005? Is the SQL data stored as XML data
or translated on the fly? Is all the business logic stored on the server
or is it managed at the FE? Can I assume a desktop design? 

These are just a few of the broad questions I would like to know further
details on... ...and what is a Well record and wellBore record or is
this something to do with wells?

That is all for now 

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  6 07:25:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:25:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SMS
Message-ID: <s6165876.052@cactus.dk>

Hi all

If you consider sending SMS messages from your app, here is a commercial provider which sports an extensive array of APIs including COM:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/products/developer_solutions.php 

Also, the page has links to much relevant info on SMS including the special requirements for sending SMS to US receivers:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/sms_info.php 

I have not worked with this, so I cannot provide further advice.

/gustav



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 07:57:49 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:57:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SMS
In-Reply-To: <s6165876.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JG200DM3UH9B6A0@l-daemon>

Hi Gustav:

This looks very interesting and I will keep this ink as a reference.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SMS

Hi all

If you consider sending SMS messages from your app, here is a commercial
provider which sports an extensive array of APIs including COM:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/products/developer_solutions.php 

Also, the page has links to much relevant info on SMS including the special
requirements for sending SMS to US receivers:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/sms_info.php 

I have not worked with this, so I cannot provide further advice.

/gustav

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  6 08:38:20 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:38:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
Message-ID: <s6166975.053@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

That is how my A2003 and IE7 behave by default. I don't even know how to change that.

/gustav

>>> prodevmg at yahoo.com 06-04-2007 05:13 >>>
I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I do that?




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr  6 08:39:22 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:39:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: ** important **  just - say - no ...
Message-ID: <003201c77850$fc4278c0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com

 

 

  _____  

From: Joe K Anderson [mailto:ja at alldatacorp.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:47 PM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@nethere.net
Subject: ** important ** just - say - no ...


I know that many of you WILL want to look at naked, nude pix of Brittany
Spears ... especially with her shaved head (who knows what else is shaved).
HOWEVER ... JUST SAY NO !!!! 
 
As you can read below (and elsewhere) ... and may have already heard about
... you will very well end up having a reeeeeeally bad hair day (worse than
Brittany) if you get the Zero-Day virus!
 
So ... GET the Microsoft Patch ... in addition to any smoking or other types
of patches you may have.  JUST do it !!!  This affects ALL recent versions
of Windows ... 2000, XP ... and the new super-secure Windows Vista !!
(right!).  Also the Firefox browser ... my favorite!
 
Note:  This does not typically come in the form of an email attachment,
rather just an email with a 'clickable' like, probably behind a teaser pic
of Brittany ... you know ... showing a little skin or whatnot.  JUST SAY
NO!!!
 
And don't open any frickin' email attachments either unless you know EXACTLY
who it has been sleeping with (even then??) ... especially if it's from your
Mother!!!!
 
joe
 
 
  <http://enewsletters.ziffdavisinternet.com/esp/arrow.gif>
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671945-0-0-0-1>
Critical Flaw Forces Microsoft to Deliver Patch ASAP
Apparently Microsoft discovered a critical flaw in its Animated Cursor files
on Windows that allows nefarious people to take remote control over PCs. The
exploit is also being used to spread spam via an e-mail that promises
viewers naked pictures of
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671948-0-0-0-1>
"Britiney Speers" in addition to compromising a number of
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671951-0-0-0-1>
sites in the Asia/Pacific region that are now being used to spread malicious
code. For Microsoft, this latest security lapse
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671954-0-0-0-1>
negates the good will the company earned last month when it released no
major security updates, especially when you consider the fact that these
attacks are apparently closely linked to
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671957-0-0-0-1>
similar attacks made during the Super Bowl. But Microsoft shouldn't feel too
bad about taking
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671960-0-0-0-1>
so long to get a fix out because the folks at
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671963-0-0-0-1>
Firefox are vulnerable to the same type of attacks, while others warn that
anything built using
<http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-6011-49-644-757572-671966-0-0-0-1>
AJAX is likely to have its own set of security woes. 
 
*****************************************************


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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Fri Apr  6 08:40:34 2007
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:40:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Upgrades
Message-ID: <46161592.19068.306522A@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com>

Hello all,

I hope you are all having a good Easter Weekend and that you won't 
miss the lists too much.

I have to do an upgrade on the server, so it will be mostly up, but 
at some points going down over this weekend.

If, at the end of the day, you are having problems, please e-mail me 
at listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or IF THAT DOES NOT WORK, e-mail 
me at bryan at carbonnell.ca

The main reason for this upgrade is for spam control. We are getting 
hammered at the server and I need to implement a spam control 
solution.

Again, if you have any problems, contact me at 
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or bryan at carbonnell.ca

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com



From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  6 08:52:34 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:52:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
Message-ID: <337978.6942.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes. The majority of the time it works that way in my app as well. But we are seeing a considerable amount of times that it does not work that way. Especially when the user has more than one IE window open already.
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



----- Original Message ----
From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 8:38:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.


Hi Lonnie

That is how my A2003 and IE7 behave by default. I don't even know how to change that.

/gustav

>>> prodevmg at yahoo.com 06-04-2007 05:13 >>>
I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I do that?


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____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peek at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 08:57:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:57:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00f801c777a5$1fb233b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00fb01c77853$7fbf4a50$8abea8c0@XPS>

Rocky,

<<Anyone have any experience with this or know of any limitations with
Access in this regard?>>

  Access with JET as a db engine is not designed to run over a WAN and
sooner or later, you will have corruption.  You need to use Citrix or
Terminal Services for remote users if your using JET.

  Alternative is Access with an SQL backend of some type.  That you can do
over a WAN.

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  6 09:05:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:05:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>
References: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
	<001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>
Message-ID: <002301c77854$96d843d0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Believe me, I have been sweating plenty already.  8>(~) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server

...geez Eric. you could have allowed JC to at least sweat a bit longer :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at verizon.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server


> Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager.
>
> EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
>        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
>        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
> Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
> (active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out 
> on
> a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
> directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql server
> is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Apr  6 09:40:25 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:40:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
References: <0JG20062Q7DNMEUB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><001901c7780e$37b088e0$982b124c@50nm721>
	<002301c77854$96d843d0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <001401c77859$847374d0$982b124c@50nm721>

...amazing how often us old horses don't do as we say ...can't count the 
number of times I've been caught without a backup when I really needed one 
...and then resolve to never do that again ...until the next time :)
William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server


> Believe me, I have been sweating plenty already.  8>(~)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
> ...geez Eric. you could have allowed JC to at least sweat a bit longer :)
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at verizon.net>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
>
>> Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager.
>>
>> EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
>>        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
>> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
>>        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
>> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
>> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>>
>> Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
>> (active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out
>> on
>> a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
>> directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql 
>> server
>> is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 09:51:50 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:51:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
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As I recall his database is HUGE though and he was still looking for a
method to back it up.   Good luck getting it back online John. So much
for that RAID disk technology saving you eh?  ;-)   Got bit by
something else than a drive failure I take it?

GK

On 4/6/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> ...amazing how often us old horses don't do as we say ...can't count the
> number of times I've been caught without a backup when I really needed one
> ...and then resolve to never do that again ...until the next time :)
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
>
>
> > Believe me, I have been sweating plenty already.  8>(~)
> >
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:41 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
> >
> > ...geez Eric. you could have allowed JC to at least sweat a bit longer :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at verizon.net>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
> >
> >
> >> Just attach the databases using Query Analyzer or Enterprise Manager.
> >>
> >> EXEC sp_attach_db @dbname = 'pubs',
> >>        @filename1 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> >> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs.mdf',
> >>        @filename2 = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> >> Server\MSSQL\Data\pubs_log.ldf'
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:14 PM
> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> >> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Recover SQL Server
> >>
> >> Is it possible to recover a set of SQL Server databases that were mounted
> >> (active) when my computer died?  I have the database files themselves out
> >> on
> >> a data drive, and I have the SQL Server directory and all of its sub
> >> directories out on the same drive, but the system that ran that sql
> >> server
> >> is unrecoverable.  And of course I do not have a recent backup.
> >>
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> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr  6 10:24:49 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:24:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <0JG100AJ4EIZJ0Y0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <004d01c7785f$b79a7dd0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

I'll forward your name to the client.  He's in Canada.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Hi Rocky:

If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely done
enough of that type of work.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access

Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a WAN.
Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this regard?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  6 11:04:44 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:04:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim


From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 11:24:40 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:24:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JG3003QE49CR2A2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

The concept of a dataset in .NET is that of a database container. The
dataset contains datatables. In essence you can copy the whole database
structure into memory so that you can minimize roundtrips to the server.
Once you have the tables or recordsets in memory your app can process data,
apply business rules, etc... And then you can connect back to the database
and update the database tables using your updated recordsets or datatables.

In web-based apps I've seen code that creates an instance of the dataset
using session variables (a pointer to the actual dataset). Anytime the
application needs the dataset it just needs to use the session variable that
represents the dataset and perform any operations.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence, and
our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business logic off
to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I mentioned Access,
I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app is
designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in SQL
Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The application has to
be flexible enough to run either way and to be capable of switching between
the two, if need be (they tend to move their licenses around!).  Rather than
creating different versions of the app for the varying environments, we
simply built one that would work across the board.  That may change someday,
but we're still in the process of migrating our apps and our clients into
the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE is or
what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat list of rows,
but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from one or more tables.
A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind of class and models the
details of the data structure in code.  You can create them from scratch or
using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make available.
Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically connected the form to
the datastore the entity represents, so you can program to its columns,
methods, and properties as if it were a recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting firm
to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They did admit
when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen a Win-based
.Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe I should say our
clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have SQL
Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored in XML
files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to the calling
data provider routine.  The only business logic on the server is in
cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except relationships at
this point because we still have to handle both SQL Server and Access back
ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly that's part of the overall
solution.  Not sure what you mean by a desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has it
core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick client
(this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed to thin
client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original hole
in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested in
how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML option in
.Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML in MS
SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 12:00:43 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:00:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the Business
Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO can be
compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a presentation tier in
just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back and
forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking with
the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full 3-tier app
with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP at
the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  6 12:10:54 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:10:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  6 13:12:51 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:12:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
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www.asp.net 
 
Covers a lot of this with some good video tutorials
 
I used this as a reference site in my book
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 06/04/2007 18:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL



I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc). 

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive. 

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.

We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?

Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Apr  6 13:52:24 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:52:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
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Jim,

This is an article about Microsoft slowly letting go of VFP. It may become
open-source to some extent.

http://adtmag.com/article.aspx?id=20382



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the Business
Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO can be
compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a presentation tier in
just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back and
forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking with
the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full 3-tier app
with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP at
the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 14:51:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:51:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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Dan,

  Yes, Microsoft has announced that there will be no new versions of VFP.
Standard support dies in 2010 and Extended support in 2015.  The language
however is mature and stable enough that I have no qualms about writing a
new app with it.  I use another language to this day called NPL, which
started out as Wang Basic.  I'm still supporting some of my clients on code
that I wrote back in the 80's.  The language has been "dead" for ten years
or more, but the code still does what they want it to and is still running.
So the timeframe for support and the fact that VFP is now officially dead
doesn't bother me.  Look how many of us still use DAO<g>.

   I'm giving it serious consideration because it brings a lot to the table
that I simply can't do with Access. But so far, I've also found that it
takes longer to develop an app as well (probably me; hard to teach an old
dog new tricks<g>).

  BTW, The open source initiative is not for VFP itself (which many articles
have claimed), but for the Senda add-on, which Microsoft will be releasing
shortly.  It allows VFP to integrate with .Net and SQL Server 2005 to a
greater extent. But it already has all the features I need to develop a
solid app and I'm not counting on any of it.  About the only thing that
might be nice is the OO menuing add-on.  It's the only part of VFP that's
not OO.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Jim,

This is an article about Microsoft slowly letting go of VFP. It may become
open-source to some extent.

http://adtmag.com/article.aspx?id=20382



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the Business
Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO can be
compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a presentation tier in
just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back and
forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking with
the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full 3-tier app
with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP at
the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 14:51:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:51:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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Charlotte,

<< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
now.>>

  That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  

Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive.  

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
 
We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?
 
Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 14:55:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:55:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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  Thanks for the link as this is a direction I want to start heading in...

  Here's a link I just picked up the other day on ASP development.  Seems to
be pretty good from what I've read so far.

  Starts of really sl o w....which is good for me<g> 

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

www.asp.net 
 
Covers a lot of this with some good video tutorials
 
I used this as a reference site in my book
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 06/04/2007 18:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL



I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc). 

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive. 

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.

We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?

Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Apr  6 15:08:30 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:08:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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 Let's try that again...

http://www.webwizguide.com/asp/tutorials/default.asp 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

www.asp.net 
 
Covers a lot of this with some good video tutorials
 
I used this as a reference site in my book
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 06/04/2007 18:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL



I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Charlotte,

  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc). 

  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.

  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
3-tier app with VFP/VMP).

  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
at the moment.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL

A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
recordsource in an Access form.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hi Charlotte:

I will comment inline

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
yet.

Comment: Sounds very impressive. 

We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
desktop design.

Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.

We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
wellbore.

Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
Maybe a bird's-eye view?

Charlotte Foust

MTIA

Jim
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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Fri Apr  6 19:17:16 2007
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:17:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Upgrade Complete
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Well, the server upgrade has been completed.

Hopefully you didn't notice too much of a disruption through out the 
day today.

If you run across anything out of the ordinary, please e-mail me at 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 19:42:44 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:42:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
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In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will
have to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to 
conform with.
The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act,
also known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
Jan. 2004.
There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised when 
password only.
Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
looking through
STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor only access.
So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are 
into the $20 range).
Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat 
this 6 months ago.
By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data 
Privacy Acts.
This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.


Jim Dettman wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
>now.>>
>
>  That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
>a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
>give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  
>
>Jim.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Charlotte,
>
>  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
>The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
>Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
>can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
>presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  
>
>  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
>provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.
>
>  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
>and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
>with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
>3-tier app with VFP/VMP).
>
>  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
>direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
>at the moment.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
>and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
>logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
>mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
>Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
>is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
>SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
>application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
>capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
>their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
>app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
>across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
>process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL
>
>A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
>is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
>list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
>one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
>of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
>create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
>They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
>exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
>available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
>connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
>program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
>recordsource in an Access form.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Hi Charlotte:
>
>I will comment inline
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
>firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
>did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
>a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
>I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
>yet.
>
>Comment: Sounds very impressive.  
>
>We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
>clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
>SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
>in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
>the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
>server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
>relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
>Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
>that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
>desktop design.
>
>Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
>it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
>client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
>to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
> 
>We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
>geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
>with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
>hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
>wellbore.
>
>Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
>in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
>divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
>abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
>option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
>party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
>in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
>capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
>Maybe a bird's-eye view?
> 
>Charlotte Foust
>
>MTIA
>
>Jim
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  6 22:04:48 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:04:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JG30008ZXPT8Q32@l-daemon>

When will it be when all that is needed is a drop of blood to confirm the
users DNA. It might be difficult to create a system for people that is
people proof. The cost to implementing the level of security you described
below will be incredible. Anything like a key will not work as someone is
bound to leave it just hanging from the terminal or sitting next to the
station or just loss it... (A key to one of the local banks just found
laying on our street one day) and then there is backup copies etc...

And then there is biometrics and for any who saw the SCIFI movie Gaidica.

It all sound like a combination someone's idea of a money making adventure
and someone's knee-jerk reaction to a couple of exaggerated events.

Now if you want to hear my opinion... just ask. :-)

Good research as always Marty.

Jim    

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will
have to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to 
conform with.
The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act,
also known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
Jan. 2004.
There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised when 
password only.
Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
looking through
STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor only access.
So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are 
into the $20 range).
Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat 
this 6 months ago.
By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data 
Privacy Acts.
This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.


Jim Dettman wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
>now.>>
>
>  That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
>a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
>give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  
>
>Jim.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Charlotte,
>
>  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
>The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
>Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
>can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
>presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  
>
>  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
>provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.
>
>  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
>and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
>with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
>3-tier app with VFP/VMP).
>
>  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
>direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
>at the moment.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
>and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
>logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
>mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
>Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
>is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
>SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
>application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
>capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
>their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
>app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
>across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
>process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL
>
>A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
>is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
>list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
>one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
>of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
>create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
>They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
>exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
>available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
>connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
>program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
>recordsource in an Access form.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Hi Charlotte:
>
>I will comment inline
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
>firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
>did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
>a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
>I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
>yet.
>
>Comment: Sounds very impressive.  
>
>We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
>clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
>SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
>in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
>the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
>server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
>relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
>Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
>that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
>desktop design.
>
>Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
>it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
>client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
>to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
> 
>We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
>geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
>with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
>hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
>wellbore.
>
>Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
>in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
>divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
>abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
>option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
>party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
>in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
>capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
>Maybe a bird's-eye view?
> 
>Charlotte Foust
>
>MTIA
>
>Jim
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Sat Apr  7 07:21:57 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:21:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <200704072222.00209.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

.. to change the orientation of a report half way through.


I've not tried this before.  But now I've got a sub report that occurs several 
pages into a report and it would fit better if the page orientation was 
landscape.


In fact it would only fit at all.

Page 1 has summary information, 5 subreports (4 graphs and a short table)
Page 2-n has an item by item subreport
Page 2n+1 I want to put an analysis summary of the (2-n) items

I have the sub report for the analysis, its' "beautiful", but it needs to be 
landscaped.

AS I said, I've not tried this before,  I tried various .Orientation and 
various PrtDevMode hacks but I'm beginnig to think it's not possible?

-- 
regards

Bruce


From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Sat Apr  7 08:01:07 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:01:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Reports - Conditional formatting question
In-Reply-To: <200703290105.l2T15uU24698@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200703290105.l2T15uU24698@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704072301.08468.bbruen@unwired.com.au>


On Thursday 29 March 2007 11:05, Darren DICK wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> If the background is transparent then you can't apply a colour - well you
> can but it won't be seen
>
> So you need to test for your condition in code then you have to set the
> .background = 1 (Normal) as well and vice versa when turning it off -
> .background =0 if your condition is not met
>
> This is gonna fail in a continuous form by the way a it will apply the
> .background to all field in the continuous list
>
> Haven't tested it but hope this helps
>
> Gimme a yell and I will show you a cool way I handle marking records as
> "current" - or not using conditional formatting
>
>
> See ya
>
> DD
Hi Darren,

I finaly gave up and went with the four available conditional formats (see my 
PEBCAK response.  It works, just... but it aint optimal.
  
I'll pre-empt your offer on the "current" idea as I'm trying to get around 5 
or 6 or 7 or ...AAARRRGGHHH... 8 or ... "conditions" on a row, and find a way 
of highlighting the anomalous items.  There are about ~7 
different "confirmed" anomalies.  

1) The service request has not been addressed at all. (conditionalformat 
="Highlight")
2) The service request has not been addressed within <timeframe for SR's of 
this level> (conditionalformat = "Extreme") 
3) The request has been addressed and resolved. (conditionalformat ="Normal")
4) The request has been addressed, but not resolved. (conditionalformat 
= "Highlight" - but would like a slightly different colour)
5) The request has been addressed, but not resolved and the resolution 
timeframe has expired. (conditionalformat = "Extreme" but should be with an 
oxy_torch_flame)
6) The SR has been (manually) escalated - but is still outstanding. 
(conditionalformat ="Moderate" + "_zzzzzzzzzzzz" ((SEP)) )
7) The SR response requirement has been over-ridden [conditionalformat = 
KILLER!  :-( ] ("colour=red,fontsize=172")
8) The SR response requirement has been over-ridden and is overdue 
(conditionalformat = "colour=several_thousand_degrees_kelvin_ >_ red, 
fontsize=2.326^23, ring bells, flash lights, phone_dad_for_a_lift_home, 
light_blue_touch_paper_and_stand_clear")

There may be a couple of gazillion levels between each of the above, I've only 
been able to ascertain this many.  "[$DEITY] help me to find the description 
if there are any more above (8). :-)

bruce



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 09:46:38 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:46:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <004d01c7785f$b79a7dd0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <0JG100AJ4EIZJ0Y0@l-daemon>
	<004d01c7785f$b79a7dd0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704070746s19f4e01eu35258d0409d3df1f@mail.gmail.com>

I have considerable experience doing this. In one case I had 4 offices
hooked together in a WAN, all running the same Access app. That's when I
became an expert at Access replication. I put a copy of the BE on a server
in each office, that the local users talked to. In the HQ office, a box was
running Synchronizer and updated the branch BEs every 5 minutes, as I
recall. Thus the longest it could take for any remote user to see changes
made by a local user was 10 minutes. But even in the case of collisions,
Replication Manager handled them flawlessly.

This delivered much better performance than the straight WAN approach, which
I tried first and was very unsatisfied with the performance. Using
replication over the WAN resulted in much greater performance.

Arthur


On 4/6/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I'll forward your name to the client.  He's in Canada.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
> locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely done
> enough of that type of work.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over a
> WAN.
> Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus folks
> dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone have any
> experience with this or know of any limitations with Access in this
> regard?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  7 09:56:33 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:56:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704070746s19f4e01eu35258d0409d3df1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c77924$ef2b14b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Were the remotes doing updates, then?  Or read only?  

In this case the remotes will be traveling, signing in from hotels and job
sites and such.  So I suppose they could run the replication ad hoc?


Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access

I have considerable experience doing this. In one case I had 4 offices
hooked together in a WAN, all running the same Access app. That's when I
became an expert at Access replication. I put a copy of the BE on a server
in each office, that the local users talked to. In the HQ office, a box was
running Synchronizer and updated the branch BEs every 5 minutes, as I
recall. Thus the longest it could take for any remote user to see changes
made by a local user was 10 minutes. But even in the case of collisions,
Replication Manager handled them flawlessly.

This delivered much better performance than the straight WAN approach, which
I tried first and was very unsatisfied with the performance. Using
replication over the WAN resulted in much greater performance.

Arthur


On 4/6/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I'll forward your name to the client.  He's in Canada.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> If you need any help with setting up applications running at different 
> locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely 
> done enough of that type of work.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over 
> a WAN.
> Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus 
> folks dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone 
> have any experience with this or know of any limitations with Access 
> in this regard?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Apr  7 10:46:44 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:46:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reports - Conditional formatting question
In-Reply-To: <200704072301.08468.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200703290105.l2T15uU24698@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704072301.08468.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000301c7792b$f20b7420$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Bruce,

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is another approach:

COLOR	     STATUS	      MEANING

Green      New Today    (received today)
           Unanswered   (but hasn't exceeded time limit)

Yellow     Over         (over response time limit)
	     Status 4

Orange     Status 5
           Status 6

Red        Status 7
           Status 8


You can set up four background colors, and then within the colors you can
use a text field and give a name for the status of that SR.  I put in three
examples above.

This could give people the ability to quickly discriminate among the 4
colors, but then know more when they read the Level field.  You get an
unlimited number of levels this way, or perhaps 2 levels for green, 4 levels
for yellow, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another approach could be:

COLOR1     COLOR2      (Meaning)

Green      White
Green	     Light Gray
Green	     Dark Gray
Green      Black

Yellow     White
Yellow     Light Gray
Yellow     Dark Gray
Yellow     Black

This would give an escalating gray scale within each of the 4 colors.  You
get 16 color combinations with this approach.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

HTH!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports - Conditional formatting question


On Thursday 29 March 2007 11:05, Darren DICK wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> If the background is transparent then you can't apply a colour - well you
> can but it won't be seen
>
> So you need to test for your condition in code then you have to set the
> .background = 1 (Normal) as well and vice versa when turning it off -
> .background =0 if your condition is not met
>
> This is gonna fail in a continuous form by the way a it will apply the
> .background to all field in the continuous list
>
> Haven't tested it but hope this helps
>
> Gimme a yell and I will show you a cool way I handle marking records as
> "current" - or not using conditional formatting
>
>
> See ya
>
> DD
Hi Darren,

I finaly gave up and went with the four available conditional formats (see
my 
PEBCAK response.  It works, just... but it aint optimal.
  
I'll pre-empt your offer on the "current" idea as I'm trying to get around 5

or 6 or 7 or ...AAARRRGGHHH... 8 or ... "conditions" on a row, and find a
way 
of highlighting the anomalous items.  There are about ~7 
different "confirmed" anomalies.  

1) The service request has not been addressed at all. (conditionalformat 
="Highlight")
2) The service request has not been addressed within <timeframe for SR's of 
this level> (conditionalformat = "Extreme") 
3) The request has been addressed and resolved. (conditionalformat
="Normal")
4) The request has been addressed, but not resolved. (conditionalformat 
= "Highlight" - but would like a slightly different colour)
5) The request has been addressed, but not resolved and the resolution 
timeframe has expired. (conditionalformat = "Extreme" but should be with an 
oxy_torch_flame)
6) The SR has been (manually) escalated - but is still outstanding. 
(conditionalformat ="Moderate" + "_zzzzzzzzzzzz" ((SEP)) )
7) The SR response requirement has been over-ridden [conditionalformat = 
KILLER!  :-( ] ("colour=red,fontsize=172")
8) The SR response requirement has been over-ridden and is overdue 
(conditionalformat = "colour=several_thousand_degrees_kelvin_ >_ red, 
fontsize=2.326^23, ring bells, flash lights, phone_dad_for_a_lift_home, 
light_blue_touch_paper_and_stand_clear")

There may be a couple of gazillion levels between each of the above, I've
only 
been able to ascertain this many.  "[$DEITY] help me to find the description

if there are any more above (8). :-)

bruce

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Apr  7 10:48:05 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:48:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006b01c77884$f4df7590$8abea8c0@XPS> <4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c7792c$2229b8b0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Marty,

  Yes, one of my big concerns with this app is security.  That's also why
I'm approaching their requirement of possible web access with some
hesitation.  If there will not be a web interface, then the allure of doing
a 3-tier design becomes a lot less.

  The main app is going to be using SQL Server for the BE, so it will be
tight and access to the system will be through Terminal Services.  It's the
web thing that worries me, although that's not in the scope as yet.

  In the states, we need to deal with the HIPAA (Health Insurance
Portability and Accountability Act), which I need to get some info on, as
I'm not sure how far I need to go with security.  I'm assuming the worst at
this point<g>.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will
have to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to 
conform with.
The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act,
also known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
Jan. 2004.
There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised when 
password only.
Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
looking through
STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor only access.
So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are 
into the $20 range).
Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat 
this 6 months ago.
By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data 
Privacy Acts.
This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.


Jim Dettman wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
>now.>>
>
>  That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
>a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
>give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  
>
>Jim.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:01 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Charlotte,
>
>  This is a lot like what I work with in VFP and a framework called VMP.
>The Framework lets you create fully 3-tier apps breaking out the
>Business Rules and Data Services classes into a Business Object.  The BO
>can be compiled separately into a COM object, so I can write a
>presentation tier in just about anything (Access, VFP, VB, etc).  
>
>  The Data Services like you describe below hides the BE data store and
>provides cascaded updates/deletes, constraints, etc.
>
>  I'm about to undertake a major development project and am going back
>and forth between doing this in VFP/VMP as a full 3-tier app or sticking
>with the tried and true Access approach (it would be my first full
>3-tier app with VFP/VMP).
>
>  I've got to talk to the client a few more times to get a sense of what
>direction they'll be heading in the future, but I'm leaning towards VFP
>at the moment.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:05 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Our executable installs on the client at this point in its existence,
>and our clients are *frequently* thick!  We haven't split the business
>logic off to the server because there isn't always a server.  When I
>mentioned Access, I was talking about the data store, not the front end.
>Our XML files have nothing to do with Access.  FE is VS.Net but the app
>is designed to work locally (say, on a rig) or with the data store in
>SQL Server on a server (usually an office installation).  The
>application has to be flexible enough to run either way and to be
>capable of switching between the two, if need be (they tend to move
>their licenses around!).  Rather than creating different versions of the
>app for the varying environments, we simply built one that would work
>across the board.  That may change someday, but we're still in the
>process of migrating our apps and our clients into the new century. LOL
>
>A dataset is a disconnected datastore, so it doesn't care where the BE
>is or what engine it runs in.  A _recordset_ is like a query, a flat
>list of rows, but a dataset represents the separate sets of rows from
>one or more tables.  A TYPED Dataset (as opposed to untyped) is a kind
>of class and models the details of the data structure in code.  You can
>create them from scratch or using the built in tools to "generate" one.
>They then become objects in the project that our entity classes wrap,
>exposing only the programming methods and events we want to make
>available.  Drop an entity on a form, and you have automatically
>connected the form to the datastore the entity represents, so you can
>program to its columns, methods, and properties as if it were a
>recordsource in an Access form.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:34 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>Hi Charlotte:
>
>I will comment inline
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>No white papers.  We started rolling our own and called in a consulting
>firm to review the fledgling solution and point out deficiencies.  They
>did admit when they came back for a later review that they'd never seen
>a Win-based .Net app this large and complex, but we aren't ready (maybe
>I should say our clients aren't ready) to convert totally to web-based
>yet.
>
>Comment: Sounds very impressive.  
>
>We're using either SQL 2005 or Access 2000 format BE because some of our
>clients are on drilling rigs in the middle of the ocean and don't have
>SQL Server handy.  The embedded SQL for the provider adapters is stored
>in XML files and we read it in using a streamreader and pass it back to
>the calling data provider routine.  The only business logic on the
>server is in cascading updates and deletes, etc., nothing else except
>relationships at this point because we still have to handle both SQL
>Server and Access back ends.  The business logic is in its own assembly
>that's part of the overall solution.  Not sure what you mean by a
>desktop design.
>
>Comment: 'Desktop design' is my description of an application that has
>it core functionality supported at the client end; or win-based or thick
>client (this could also be describing the actual client?) ...As opposed
>to thin client application where most of my work seems to be migrating.
> 
>We create and supply software to the drilling industry--oil, gas,
>geothermal--so a well is a hole in the ground plus everything associated
>with that.  A wellbore, is the hole itself, which may be the original
>hole in the ground or a sidetrack drilled as an offshoot of another
>wellbore.
>
>Comment: A very good explanation of your business. I would be interested
>in how the data tier actually works or maybe just an overview ...without
>divulging any trade secrets of course... like how the data tier layer
>abstracts the actual data structures. Is your office using the XML
>option in .Net datasets, through classes to connect via an OLE (third
>party?) to the actual tables being either MDB or MS SQL? (Handling XML
>in MS SQL 2005 is built-in but I was unaware that Access had the same
>capabilities.) I am not interested in specifics just the concepts...
>Maybe a bird's-eye view?
> 
>Charlotte Foust
>
>MTIA
>
>Jim
>  
>

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Apr  7 11:07:50 2007
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:07:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax for finding value of an item in a collection
Message-ID: <00a301c7792e$e3e412a0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>

I have a collection for control names (e.g., colControls) which contains certain controls (e.g. txtLastName) on a form (e.g. frmFormA).  For example,  colControls(1) =  "[Forms]![frmFormA]![txtLastName]".

Let's say that txtLastname currently contains the name "Smith.  What is the syntax for finding the VALUE of colControls(1) , i.e., "Smith"?

Thanks,
Barb

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  7 12:13:18 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:13:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automation Problem - Closing Word
Message-ID: <002701c77938$09aa1760$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I am getting the text of a document into a string variable from a word doc.
Then I want to close word.  I get the text of the document OK (which then
goes into an email). 
 
But with the code below, the document closes but Word says open.    How can
I get WORD closed up?
 
    Dim objWord As Object
    
    ' Get the body text
    Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
    objWord.Documents.Open (argDocument)
    objWord.Selection.WholeStory
    strBody = objWord.Selection
    'MsgBox strBody
    objWord.Documents.Close
    Set objWord = Nothing

 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


 	
	


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  7 12:16:39 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:16:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <000001c7792c$2229b8b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006b01c77884$f4df7590$8abea8c0@XPS> <4616E904.9040903@shaw.ca>
	<000001c7792c$2229b8b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <4617D1F7.2070008@shaw.ca>

Two tier authentication with a USB Fob is supposed to verify
the guy with the password and the USB token are the same.
In other words the password hasn't been loaned out.
The token alone won't get you in.

There are $5 USB tokens on the market now but may require
some server hardware possibly  in 2K to 5K dollar range.
Until this year the price was around  $60.

Here are some cheap Canadian examples.
http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=41998

I have been looking for a case study where someone has hooked this
into Sharepoint sites. The vendors might be able to provide it.

Some continental European banks have been doing client web app
with USB tokens (even at an 60 Euro cost) for a couple of years.

Charlotte may have done some HIPPA work.
Aside from this there has to be a lot of data encryption.



Jim Dettman wrote:

>Marty,
>
>  Yes, one of my big concerns with this app is security.  That's also why
>I'm approaching their requirement of possible web access with some
>hesitation.  If there will not be a web interface, then the allure of doing
>a 3-tier design becomes a lot less.
>
>  The main app is going to be using SQL Server for the BE, so it will be
>tight and access to the system will be through Terminal Services.  It's the
>web thing that worries me, although that's not in the scope as yet.
>
>  In the states, we need to deal with the HIPAA (Health Insurance
>Portability and Accountability Act), which I need to get some info on, as
>I'm not sure how far I need to go with security.  I'm assuming the worst at
>this point<g>.
>
>Jim.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:43 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will
>have to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to 
>conform with.
>The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act,
>also known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
>Jan. 2004.
>There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised when 
>password only.
>Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
>looking through
>STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor only access.
>So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are 
>into the $20 range).
>Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat 
>this 6 months ago.
>By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data 
>Privacy Acts.
>This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.
>
>
>Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Charlotte,
>>
>><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right
>>now.>>
>>
>> That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to want
>>a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at some point
>>give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.  
>>
>>Jim.  
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>>
>>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It
>>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next
>>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they
>>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into Access.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>    
>>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr  7 12:19:45 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:19:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automation Problem - Closing Word
In-Reply-To: <002701c77938$09aa1760$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002701c77938$09aa1760$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4617D2B1.8070305@shaw.ca>

Add this line

  objWord.Documents.Close
  objWord.Quit
  Set objWord = Nothing



Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dear List:
> 
>I am getting the text of a document into a string variable from a word doc.
>Then I want to close word.  I get the text of the document OK (which then
>goes into an email). 
> 
>But with the code below, the document closes but Word says open.    How can
>I get WORD closed up?
> 
>    Dim objWord As Object
>    
>    ' Get the body text
>    Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>    objWord.Documents.Open (argDocument)
>    objWord.Selection.WholeStory
>    strBody = objWord.Selection
>    'MsgBox strBody
>    objWord.Documents.Close
>    Set objWord = Nothing
>
> 
>MTIA
> 
>Rocky
> 
>
>
> 	
>	
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  7 12:20:06 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:20:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <s617eef4.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Bruce

You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF file or directly to a Postscript printer.

/gustav

>>> bbruen at unwired.com.au 07-04-07 14:21 >>>
.. to change the orientation of a report half way through.


I've not tried this before.  But now I've got a sub report that occurs several 
pages into a report and it would fit better if the page orientation was 
landscape.


In fact it would only fit at all.

Page 1 has summary information, 5 subreports (4 graphs and a short table)
Page 2-n has an item by item subreport
Page 2n+1 I want to put an analysis summary of the (2-n) items

I have the sub report for the analysis, its' "beautiful", but it needs to be 
landscaped.

AS I said, I've not tried this before,  I tried various .Orientation and 
various PrtDevMode hacks but I'm beginnig to think it's not possible?

-- 
regards

Bruce




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  7 13:00:42 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:00:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax for finding value of an item in a	collection
Message-ID: <s617f875.061@cactus.dk>

Hi Barb

Couldn't that be:

varValue = Me.Controls(Split(colControls(1), "!")(2)).Value
or:
varValue = Forms(Split(colControls(1), "!")(1)).Controls(Split(colControls(1), "!")(2)).Value

/gustav

>>> BarbaraRyan at cox.net 07-04-07 18:07 >>>
I have a collection for control names (e.g., colControls) which contains certain controls (e.g. txtLastName) on a form (e.g. frmFormA).  For example,  colControls(1) =  "[Forms]![frmFormA]![txtLastName]".

Let's say that txtLastname currently contains the name "Smith.  What is the syntax for finding the VALUE of colControls(1) , i.e., "Smith"?

Thanks,
Barb




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  7 13:30:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:30:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Automation Problem - Closing Word
In-Reply-To: <4617D2B1.8070305@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002f01c77942$c83b9960$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Aha.  Quit.  Thank you.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automation Problem - Closing Word

Add this line

  objWord.Documents.Close
  objWord.Quit
  Set objWord = Nothing



Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dear List:
> 
>I am getting the text of a document into a string variable from a word doc.
>Then I want to close word.  I get the text of the document OK (which 
>then goes into an email).
> 
>But with the code below, the document closes but Word says open.    How can
>I get WORD closed up?
> 
>    Dim objWord As Object
>    
>    ' Get the body text
>    Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>    objWord.Documents.Open (argDocument)
>    objWord.Selection.WholeStory
>    strBody = objWord.Selection
>    'MsgBox strBody
>    objWord.Documents.Close
>    Set objWord = Nothing
>
> 
>MTIA
> 
>Rocky
> 
>
>
> 	
>	
>  
>

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Apr  7 14:03:40 2007
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:03:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax for finding value of an item in a	collection
References: <s617f875.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00cc01c77947$74aa5f70$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>

Hi, Gustav....

Thanks for your  reply.  I forgot to mention that I am using the collection 
within a class.  I just discovered that

varValue = mfrm.Controls(i).Value

seems to work.  I thought I had already tried that approach --- I may have 
been referencing a control type not having a value property.

Thanks,
Barb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax for finding value of an item in a collection


> Hi Barb
>
> Couldn't that be:
>
> varValue = Me.Controls(Split(colControls(1), "!")(2)).Value
> or:
> varValue = Forms(Split(colControls(1), 
> "!")(1)).Controls(Split(colControls(1), "!")(2)).Value
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> BarbaraRyan at cox.net 07-04-07 18:07 >>>
> I have a collection for control names (e.g., colControls) which contains 
> certain controls (e.g. txtLastName) on a form (e.g. frmFormA).  For 
> example,  colControls(1) =  "[Forms]![frmFormA]![txtLastName]".
>
> Let's say that txtLastname currently contains the name "Smith.  What is 
> the syntax for finding the VALUE of colControls(1) , i.e., "Smith"?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb
>
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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Sat Apr  7 17:41:45 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David & Joanne Gould)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:41:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
Message-ID: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>

I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that 
came with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated 
from the CD case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what 
software. Does any know if there is a tool around that can identify 
what software and version a key is from it's code?

Hope this makes sense.

TIA

David Gould
DG Solutions




From nd500_lo at charter.net  Sat Apr  7 17:52:08 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:52:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
Message-ID: <000001c77967$5f477760$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

I don't know of one...my first suggestion is to call Microsoft and let them
sort it...second suggestion...set up baby db to keep it
controlled...sorry...I'm quiet, but not dead... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David & Joanne
Gould
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys

I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that came
with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated from the CD
case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what software. Does any know
if there is a tool around that can identify what software and version a key
is from it's code?

Hope this makes sense.

TIA

David Gould
DG Solutions


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From david.gray at tpg.com.au  Sat Apr  7 18:21:08 2007
From: david.gray at tpg.com.au (David Gray)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:21:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <000001c77967$5f477760$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
	<000001c77967$5f477760$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <000601c7796b$6cb74480$4625cd80$@gray@tpg.com.au>

I've always thought Microsoft should print the name of the software with the
key. I wonder why they don't? Is it a security thing? Although I can't see
how! The keys should also be in a bigger font for us oldies. The number of
times I mistake an 8 for a B and visa versa.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 8:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] mystery software keys

I don't know of one...my first suggestion is to call Microsoft and let them
sort it...second suggestion...set up baby db to keep it
controlled...sorry...I'm quiet, but not dead... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David & Joanne
Gould
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys

I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that came
with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated from the CD
case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what software. Does any know
if there is a tool around that can identify what software and version a key
is from it's code?

Hope this makes sense.

TIA

David Gould
DG Solutions


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From bill_patten at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  7 19:25:38 2007
From: bill_patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:25:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
Message-ID: <A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>

Hi David,
If the software is already installed in a computer or computers you can 
sometimes search the registry for say the first 5 characters of the key , 
for example I searched for T499P and the PDKey was located in 
hklm\software\\\\Visual Studio\\\ So I would know that that key was for my 
VS 2005.

Any that can  be found can be marked perhaps shortening the list of unknown. 
You can also use a program called SIW that will show many licenses under 
it's secret tab. SIW does not work on Vista 64 but does on XP. Google SIW

Hope this helps a little

 Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David & Joanne Gould" <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys


>I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that
> came with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated
> from the CD case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what
> software. Does any know if there is a tool around that can identify
> what software and version a key is from it's code?
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> TIA
>
> David Gould
> DG Solutions
>
>
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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Sat Apr  7 20:07:46 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:07:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
	<A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>
Message-ID: <000001c7797a$546b7d10$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

I was harsh...and I apologize for that...have some friends looking for the
way (assuming it cannot be found on the computer in question) to find what
he needs. I'm very sorry...just found it irritating that someone didn't keep
ALL the info together...it's a (siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh) db thing... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] mystery software keys

Hi David,
If the software is already installed in a computer or computers you can
sometimes search the registry for say the first 5 characters of the key ,
for example I searched for T499P and the PDKey was located in
hklm\software\\\\Visual Studio\\\ So I would know that that key was for my
VS 2005.

Any that can  be found can be marked perhaps shortening the list of unknown.

You can also use a program called SIW that will show many licenses under
it's secret tab. SIW does not work on Vista 64 but does on XP. Google SIW

Hope this helps a little

 Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & Joanne Gould" <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys


>I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that
> came with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated
> from the CD case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what
> software. Does any know if there is a tool around that can identify
> what software and version a key is from it's code?
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> TIA
>
> David Gould
> DG Solutions
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Apr  7 20:58:09 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:58:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys
In-Reply-To: <A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>
References: <200704072240.l37MdsZO049166@carby.powerband.net.au>
	<A3A08EAF5A804FD99060552AF4CA39A7@BPCS>
Message-ID: <001d01c77981$5bafabd0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I've used Belarc Advisor and it sometimes shows keys (along with every other
piece of info about your PC!).  It's at:

http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Dan


-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [AccessD] mystery software keys

Hi David,
If the software is already installed in a computer or computers you can 
sometimes search the registry for say the first 5 characters of the key , 
for example I searched for T499P and the PDKey was located in 
hklm\software\\\\Visual Studio\\\ So I would know that that key was for my 
VS 2005.

Any that can  be found can be marked perhaps shortening the list of unknown.

You can also use a program called SIW that will show many licenses under 
it's secret tab. SIW does not work on Vista 64 but does on XP. Google SIW

Hope this helps a little

 Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
Subject: [AccessD] mystery software keys


>I have a friend who has a list of software keys from microsoft that
> came with software cd's. Unfortunately, the cd's have been separated
> from the CD case and he doesn't know what cd key belongs to what
> software. Does any know if there is a tool around that can identify
> what software and version a key is from it's code?
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> TIA
>
> David Gould
> DG Solutions
>




From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Sun Apr  8 04:36:19 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:36:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
In-Reply-To: <s617eef4.060@cactus.dk>
References: <s617eef4.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <200704081936.20179.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript
> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>
> /gustav

YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible then.

-- 
regards

Bruce


From adtp at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  8 08:56:53 2007
From: adtp at hotmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:26:53 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
References: <200704072222.00209.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV52BA9BCE441A7AC1AC1BBCE5A0@phx.gbl>

Bruce,

    Apparently, your requirement translates into printing first portion of the report (containing n number of pages) in portrait layout, followed by remaining portion in landscape layout.

    If the presumption made above is correct, are you in a position to set up two separate reports in respective layouts? If so, it should be possible to ensure that page numbering for second report is in continuation to the first one, so that overall, it constitutes one report.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bruce Bruen 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 15:06
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible...


On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript
> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>
> /gustav

YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible then.

regards
Bruce

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bruce Bruen 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 17:51
  Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...


  .. to change the orientation of a report half way through.

  I've not tried this before.  But now I've got a sub report that occurs several pages into a report and it would fit better if the page orientation was landscape.

  In fact it would only fit at all.

  Page 1 has summary information, 5 subreports (4 graphs and a short table)
  Page 2-n has an item by item subreport
  Page 2n+1 I want to put an analysis summary of the (2-n) items

  I have the sub report for the analysis, its' "beautiful", but it needs to be landscaped.

  AS I said, I've not tried this before,  I tried various .Orientation and 
  various PrtDevMode hacks but I'm beginnig to think it's not possible?

  regards
  Bruce


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  8 16:35:03 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:35:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <s6197c39.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Bruce

Not as far as I know. Problem is that you cannot ask the report to send custom control or Postscript code to the printer. 
Thus, you'll have - somehow - to split the print job into several, each with its own printer setup, or output the print job to a file which you later manipulate before sending it to print.

/gustav

>>> bbruen at unwired.com.au 08-04-07 11:36 >>>
On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript
> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>
> /gustav

YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible then.

-- 
regards

Bruce




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr  8 17:18:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:18:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
In-Reply-To: <s6197c39.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003701c77a2b$e162a7f0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Gustav:

What would happen if he made two sub reports - 1 in portrait and one in
landscape - then dropped them both onto a parent report?  Would the fist
sub-report come out with a different orientation than the second?  Or would
they both follow the orientation of the parent report regardless of how they
were set up?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible...

Hi Bruce

Not as far as I know. Problem is that you cannot ask the report to send
custom control or Postscript code to the printer. 
Thus, you'll have - somehow - to split the print job into several, each with
its own printer setup, or output the print job to a file which you later
manipulate before sending it to print.

/gustav

>>> bbruen at unwired.com.au 08-04-07 11:36 >>>
On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Bruce
>
> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use 
> Ghostscript to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new 
> postscript or PDF file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>
> /gustav

YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible
then.

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Apr  8 22:07:51 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:07:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
References: <s617eef4.060@cactus.dk> <200704081936.20179.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000501c77a54$436989a0$982b124c@jisshowsbs.local>

Bruce

...never say never ...my code library is loaded with things written by 
people here that I would have sworn were impossible in Access ...most of 
which I manage to use successfully without ever groking what they are going 
on about :)

...though I've not tried to switch orientation in the middle of a report 
myself, I know you can pause a report at a specific page, change the printer 
tray, print a page from that tray, and then pause and change back using the 
printdev mode properties as in mskb 200546 ...so long as the printer driver 
supports those properties ...and since page orientation is also a property 
of printdev mode, it would seem worth the time to try changing it at the 
same time you change printer trays using virtually the same code.

...if not, then you might have to look at creating separate reports and 
numbering the pages of each correctly.

...or if you want to walk on the wild side, use Lebans rotate text code to 
brute force design a portrait formatted subreport to look like a landscape 
format.

...if you do get it to work, let us in on the secret, eh.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at unwired.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible...


> On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi Bruce
>>
>> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use 
>> Ghostscript
>> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
>> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>>
>> /gustav
>
> YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible 
> then.
>
> -- 
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>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  9 05:14:46 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:14:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <s61a2e44.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

As far as I know, the parent report controls all printer settings; those of the subreport(s) are ignored.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 09-04-2007 00:18 >>>
Gustav:

What would happen if he made two sub reports - 1 in portrait and one in
landscape - then dropped them both onto a parent report?  Would the fist
sub-report come out with a different orientation than the second?  Or would
they both follow the orientation of the parent report regardless of how they
were set up?

Rocky





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  9 05:29:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:29:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible...
Message-ID: <s61a31ac.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Bruce and William

It may be possible, but remember that you may encounter two problems: first, changing printer objects may fail in restricted (corporate) environments, and even if you succeed you may end up with two or more print jobs which - again in corporate environments - may get mixed with other print jobs.

However, the physical printer is perfectly capable of switching side orientation between pages - in PCL it is one single command - and that command is issued routinely by most applications before printing a page. That's why I assume it would be realistic to locate this command in a saved print file, change it, and then print the file - which would result in one print job. I've never had the need, though, for such fancy printing, so it is no more than an idea.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 09-04-2007 05:07 >>>
Bruce

...never say never ...my code library is loaded with things written by 
people here that I would have sworn were impossible in Access ...most of 
which I manage to use successfully without ever groking what they are going 
on about :)

...though I've not tried to switch orientation in the middle of a report 
myself, I know you can pause a report at a specific page, change the printer 
tray, print a page from that tray, and then pause and change back using the 
printdev mode properties as in mskb 200546 ...so long as the printer driver 
supports those properties ...and since page orientation is also a property 
of printdev mode, it would seem worth the time to try changing it at the 
same time you change printer trays using virtually the same code.

...if not, then you might have to look at creating separate reports and 
numbering the pages of each correctly.

...or if you want to walk on the wild side, use Lebans rotate text code to 
brute force design a portrait formatted subreport to look like a landscape 
format.

...if you do get it to work, let us in on the secret, eh.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at unwired.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible...


> On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:20, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi Bruce
>>
>> You could output the report twice to postscript files, then use Ghostscript
>> to select and mix the pages of your choice into one new postscript or PDF
>> file or directly to a Postscript printer.
>>
>> /gustav
>
> YUK! (No Offense Intended) I take it that its not (hacklessly) possible then.
>
> -- 
> regards
>
> Bruce




From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Apr  9 09:19:46 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:19:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <0JFV00KQYL2YKZ00@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <41363.41171.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0JFV00KQYL2YKZ00@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <004301c77ab2$20c0c4a0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

Also, note that for best scalability and best practices, users should
connect to the database, do what they need, then disconnect.  So really, the
users should not be connected to the database all of the time as in Access.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

Sp_who and sp_who2 will give you processes and connections...not unique
users.

This gives you a count of processes connected to the specified database name

select count(*) from master.dbo.sysprocesses
where dbid = db_id('databasename') 

This gives you unique logins connected to the specified database name

select distinct loginame from master.dbo.sysprocesses
where loginame = 'userlogin'
and dbid = db_id('databasename')

NOTE: if your application's processes use one login for all users then you
won't get a true value. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

You can do a passthrough query to the master database and execute this
system stored procedure. 

EXEC SP_WHO
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases Visit me at ==>
http://www.prodev.us


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From: JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:31:59 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server


Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  9 09:30:24 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:30:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <004301c77ab2$20c0c4a0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <41363.41171.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0JFV00KQYL2YKZ00@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
	<004301c77ab2$20c0c4a0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <003701c77ab3$9cbd1300$657aa8c0@m6805>

For best practices, users should be selected at random to be publicly
Colbyized (20,000 feet, out the door without a parachute), thereby keeping
the rest in line.

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

Also, note that for best scalability and best practices, users should
connect to the database, do what they need, then disconnect.  So really, the
users should not be connected to the database all of the time as in Access.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

Sp_who and sp_who2 will give you processes and connections...not unique
users.

This gives you a count of processes connected to the specified database name

select count(*) from master.dbo.sysprocesses where dbid =
db_id('databasename') 

This gives you unique logins connected to the specified database name

select distinct loginame from master.dbo.sysprocesses where loginame =
'userlogin'
and dbid = db_id('databasename')

NOTE: if your application's processes use one login for all users then you
won't get a true value. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server

You can do a passthrough query to the master database and execute this
system stored procedure. 

EXEC SP_WHO
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases Visit me at ==>
http://www.prodev.us


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To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:31:59 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server


Is there something that can be read from SQL Server to discover the count of
and even a list of users logged in to a SQL Server database?  I am moving a
client from an MDB data store to SQL Server and need to get this information
on demand, using VBA.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr  9 10:06:49 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:06:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <4617D1F7.2070008@shaw.ca>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A1D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG200558NU51JV0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A27@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><001201c7786d$21be8190$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006b01c77884$f4df7590$8abea8c0@XPS>
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Charlotte has done NO HIPPA work and is eternally grateful for that same
miracle!  

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Two tier authentication with a USB Fob is supposed to verify the guy
with the password and the USB token are the same.
In other words the password hasn't been loaned out.
The token alone won't get you in.

There are $5 USB tokens on the market now but may require some server
hardware possibly  in 2K to 5K dollar range.
Until this year the price was around  $60.

Here are some cheap Canadian examples.
http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=41998

I have been looking for a case study where someone has hooked this into
Sharepoint sites. The vendors might be able to provide it.

Some continental European banks have been doing client web app with USB
tokens (even at an 60 Euro cost) for a couple of years.

Charlotte may have done some HIPPA work.
Aside from this there has to be a lot of data encryption.



Jim Dettman wrote:

>Marty,
>
>  Yes, one of my big concerns with this app is security.  That's also 
>why I'm approaching their requirement of possible web access with some 
>hesitation.  If there will not be a web interface, then the allure of 
>doing a 3-tier design becomes a lot less.
>
>  The main app is going to be using SQL Server for the BE, so it will 
>be tight and access to the system will be through Terminal Services.  
>It's the web thing that worries me, although that's not in the scope as
yet.
>
>  In the states, we need to deal with the HIPAA (Health Insurance 
>Portability and Accountability Act), which I need to get some info on, 
>as I'm not sure how far I need to go with security.  I'm assuming the 
>worst at this point<g>.
>
>Jim.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:43 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>
>In Canada with Web based Apps on health and legal sites, you will have 
>to soon consider using two tier authentication for security to conform 
>with.
>The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act, also 
>known by the awkward acronym PIPEDA, which came into full effect on 
>Jan. 2004.
>There have been several sites in Ontario that have been compromised 
>when password only.
>Nurses were leaving userids etc on postit notes and patients were 
>looking through STD reporting sites that were supposed to be doctor 
>only access.
>So it is biometrics or dongles or USB keys (some with cyclical keys are

>into the $20 range).
>Forget fingerprint devices, Discovery channel showed a method to defeat

>this 6 months ago.
>By the way this will probably start to apply to HIPPA and European Data

>Privacy Acts.
>This isn't being enforced yet but will be soon.
>
>
>Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Charlotte,
>>
>><< It offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can 
>>right now.>>
>>
>> That's what I've been thinking.  I am worried that they are going to 
>>want a web interface for their nurses that are remote and possibly at 
>>some point give Doctors and Attorneys access to the system.
>>
>>Jim.  
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>Foust
>>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:11 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
>>
>>I don't know VFP, but I'd say go with the full 3-tier approach.  It 
>>offers so much more flexibility than our beloved Access can right now.
>>Since Access itself is moving toward being a front end, the next 
>>versions may see it gain a lot of those capabilities, but for now they

>>aren't there.  The .Net framework hasn't yet found its way into
Access.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>    
>>

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr  9 11:39:02 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:02 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  9 12:00:38 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:00:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
Message-ID: <s61a8d6b.071@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

You are on the track. You need: 

  UNION ALL

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 09-04-2007 18:39 >>>
I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;





From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Apr  9 12:09:09 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:09:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1176138001.19673.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFE6364BDA.751677ED-ON852572B8.005DF66F-852572B8.005E37B6@is002023.gdls.com>

If you want the duplicates, why are you using the "DISTINCT" keyword, 
which tells Access that you don't want them? If you want the duplicates, 
don't use either of the distinct or distinctrow keywords.

Sorry if this is too simple, but your SQL code doesn't seem to match what 
you say you're looking for.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:02 -0500 
From: "Hale, Jim" <Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message-ID:
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I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I 
believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no 
avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, 
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, 
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  9 12:29:33 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:29:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
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Jim 

UNION ALL will get them all. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query

I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;

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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Apr  9 12:39:29 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:39:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
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Jim,
I would think that taking out "DISTINCT" in the first query would work.
Another option - one that I use - is to create each query separately and insure the results of each query are what is needed.
Then use a simple union between them.
For example:  
If your first query was qryPlanCapex and your second was qryYTD_PlanCapex the your union query would be:

SELECT * 
>From qryPlanCapex
Union select *
>From qryYTD_PlanCapex

As long as each query has the same number of fields and are in the same order it should work.

HTH

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query

I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  9 12:56:57 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:56:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
In-Reply-To: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C05074202@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F16A8F5B63D84A5CFE5691DD2590@phx.gbl>

I've replied to this post before...but I have not seen it show up...

this is from the help file:"By default, no duplicate records are returned 
when you use a UNION operation; however, you can include the ALL predicate 
to ensure that all records are returned. This also makes the query run 
faster."

Good Luck,

Mark


>From: "Jim Hewson" <JHewson at karta.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:39:29 -0500
>
>Jim,
>I would think that taking out "DISTINCT" in the first query would work.
>Another option - one that I use - is to create each query separately and 
>insure the results of each query are what is needed.
>Then use a simple union between them.
>For example:
>If your first query was qryPlanCapex and your second was qryYTD_PlanCapex 
>the your union query would be:
>
>SELECT *
> >From qryPlanCapex
>Union select *
> >From qryYTD_PlanCapex
>
>As long as each query has the same number of fields and are in the same 
>order it should work.
>
>HTH
>
>Jim
>jhewson at karta.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:39 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
>
>I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
>when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I 
>believe
>it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
>tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no 
>avail.
>Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks
>
>The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
>one:
>
>SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
>qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
>qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
>qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
>qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
>Union
>SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
>qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
>FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
>UNION
>SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
>qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
>FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr  9 12:55:21 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:55:21 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AADB@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

That did the trick! Thanks
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query


Hi Jim

You are on the track. You need: 

  UNION ALL

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 09-04-2007 18:39 >>>
I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

SELECT  DISTINCT qryPlanCapex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryPlanCapex_sub.Name, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldProjectNo,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldDescr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldYr, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldQtr,
qryPlanCapex_sub.fldAmt, qryPlanCapex_sub.Kind, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldRegion,
qryPlanCapex_sub.PlanPrNO, qryPlanCapex_sub.fldArea FROM qryPlanCapex_sub;
Union SELECT qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldCOMPY,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldDEPT, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Name,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Yr,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Qtr, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.CAR_Amount,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Kind, qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,
qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_ApprovedAmt_sub;
UNION
SELECT qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldCOMPY, qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldDEPT,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Name, qryYTD_Capex_sub.CAR_Number,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Description, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Yr, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Qtr,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Acquired_Value, qryYTD_Capex_sub.Kind,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.fldRegion,
qryYTD_Capex_sub.Internal_Asset_ID,qryYTD_Capex_sub.GLMBRANCHES.fldArea
FROM qryYTD_Capex_sub;



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr  9 12:57:59 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:57:59 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AADC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

Union All worked. I tried Distinct when I was fiddling around trying to find
a solution. Thanks
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:09 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query


If you want the duplicates, why are you using the "DISTINCT" keyword, 
which tells Access that you don't want them? If you want the duplicates, 
don't use either of the distinct or distinctrow keywords.

Sorry if this is too simple, but your SQL code doesn't seem to match what 
you say you're looking for.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:39:02 -0500 
From: "Hale, Jim" <Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Wrong number of records returned in Union query
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message-ID:
<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AAD6 at corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
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I have a simple select  query that returns a different number of records
when it is run by itself than when it is run inside a union query. I 
believe
it is because duplicate records (which I need) are being dropped.  I have
tried the distinct and distinctrow key words in the union query to no 
avail.
Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks

The SQL for the union query is as follows ( the first query is the broken
one:

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 13:37:35 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:37:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
In-Reply-To: <001701c77924$ef2b14b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <29f585dd0704070746s19f4e01eu35258d0409d3df1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<001701c77924$ef2b14b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704091137t5c79f28cjb424ec28b29f75b1@mail.gmail.com>

The best approach for them is to set up a Terminal Services box in the
office and have them log into it. It can run the Access app which in turn
talks to a BE residing on another server. That way they get maximal speed
and they are talking to the HQ database.

On 4/7/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Were the remotes doing updates, then?  Or read only?
>
> In this case the remotes will be traveling, signing in from hotels and job
> sites and such.  So I suppose they could run the replication ad hoc?
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access
>
> I have considerable experience doing this. In one case I had 4 offices
> hooked together in a WAN, all running the same Access app. That's when I
> became an expert at Access replication. I put a copy of the BE on a server
> in each office, that the local users talked to. In the HQ office, a box
> was
> running Synchronizer and updated the branch BEs every 5 minutes, as I
> recall. Thus the longest it could take for any remote user to see changes
> made by a local user was 10 minutes. But even in the case of collisions,
> Replication Manager handled them flawlessly.
>
> This delivered much better performance than the straight WAN approach,
> which
> I tried first and was very unsatisfied with the performance. Using
> replication over the WAN resulted in much greater performance.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On 4/6/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'll forward your name to the client.  He's in Canada.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Lawrence
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:16 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] WANs and Access
> >
> > Hi Rocky:
> >
> > If you need any help with setting up applications running at different
> > locations I could offer some help in that area as I have definitely
> > done enough of that type of work.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> > Smolin at Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:09 AM
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> > Subject: [AccessD] WANs and Access
> >
> > Had a prospect ask me how robust my application would be running over
> > a WAN.
> > Broadband connection but 'slow' according to his description.  Plus
> > folks dialing in from remote locations but at least 50MBPS.  Anyone
> > have any experience with this or know of any limitations with Access
> > in this regard?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 14:54:50 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:54:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
Message-ID: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  9 15:11:19 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:11:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <0JG800K84YKLF3S2@l-daemon>

Hi Jim:

For the one office I was commissioned to write a application that could
manage all their projects. One of the components was the handling of account
files, spreadsheets, invoices and other miscellaneous text file and
graphics. These files were storied externally in a public/private set of
directories but their locations were all transparently managed for the MS
Access application.

MS Access can be setup to access Outlook emails but how it would also manage
attachments is something I have never researched.

If there is any way I could help just let me know.

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  9 15:22:15 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:22:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>

One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
 legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.

You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
with based on some sort of taxonomy.

Look at TimeMatters, Legal Files, Billing Matters, and
PracticeMaster, Amicus Attorney

Both PracticeMaster and TimeMatters work with Outlook
 through MAPI and SMTP.

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/charts/casemanagementcomparison.html

http://www.timematters.com/products/timematters/

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Greetings All,
> 
>  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
>medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
>them external, but beyond that:
> 
>a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
>do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
> 
>b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
> 
>c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
>attachment or something more automatic?
> 
>  Any insights would be helpful.
> 
>Thanks,
>Jim
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Apr  9 15:44:45 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:44:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086964@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Jim
 
I just set up a case management system for the University Counselling Office in the SharePoint.
 
Email and attachments directly to  sharepoint email enabled lists. eg CounsolListName at qub.ac.uk and you can send docs directly into the sharepoint list. The user gets an automatic alert via Outlook that the doc is available.
 
Almost no programming involved. Tight integration with our Active Directory. May not be suitable for you but worked out well so far for us.
 
We use lists to split the cases up to individual staff,
 
All access is strictly internal only which saved a lot of work.

If they need to take the stuff of line we can always use A 2007 which works well for us as well. 
 
Its mainly all in test mode at the moment but we will be moving almost everything to MOSS 2007 over the next year or so.
 
Martin
 
 
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Jim Dettman
Sent: Mon 09/04/2007 20:54
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files



Greetings All,

  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:

a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?

b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?

c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?

  Any insights would be helpful.

Thanks,
Jim
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr  9 15:54:54 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:54:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <002301c77ae9$534c33a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Jim,

I do this frequently.

I copy the files that a user has selected and move the copies to a specific
directory on the server where the db is stored.  I also make the copies
read-only so that when someone opens it (with a hyperlink path created at
run-time in code), they can't store changes over the stored copy.  I use
File Systems Object for this.

I guess an inbound fax would need to be scanned electronically to be stored
as a file.  Unless there is software that can be used to view a fax and save
it as a separate file without printing it out.

I have figured out how to pull emails from Outlook and save them as separate
files in .msg format.  I was surprised to find that when I did this, any
attachments came right along with the email!  I'll have to go through my
code to find this, and I'll reply again tomorrow.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Apr  9 16:06:39 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:06:39 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>


Regarding the attachments in emails: as has been pointed out, when you save
such emails as .msg files the attachments are included.

Regarding preventing the pesky users from damaging the stored files: I store
the files somewhere on the network and the users get at the files via an
Access app. When they select a file to examine the Access app *copies* the
original to a predefined folder on the user's home drive, and then opens the
copy for them to play with. When the Access application shuts down, any
files found in the predefined folder are deleted.

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  9 16:25:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:25:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
Message-ID: <007601c77aed$a1572830$657aa8c0@m6805>

I do the same.  Outlook has a collection to hold messages.  Each message has
a collection to hold attachments.  You can iterate these collections storing
the objects as you wish.  I "strip off" attachments all of the time simply
by iterating the attachments collection and doing a save of the items. 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Regarding the attachments in emails: as has been pointed out, when you save
such emails as .msg files the attachments are included.

Regarding preventing the pesky users from damaging the stored files: I store
the files somewhere on the network and the users get at the files via an
Access app. When they select a file to examine the Access app *copies* the
original to a predefined folder on the user's home drive, and then opens the
copy for them to play with. When the Access application shuts down, any
files found in the predefined folder are deleted.

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  9 16:48:48 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:48:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.
In-Reply-To: <337978.6942.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B234A0AF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

There is an option in the advanced tab of the IE internet options
window, which says whether IE will 'reuse' open browser windows.  Not
sure how ie 7.0 works with that, I still use 6.x.

However, with that setting set to 'yes', what would happen is if you
have a browser window open, and you click a link (say in an email), IE
would grab that browser window and navigate to the link.  With the
setting to 'no', IE opens a NEW window every time you click a link.

Not sure if this helps or not, I saw a posted solution (I think) which
has you open a new IE instance, and then navigating to that... that
should work independent of the above mentioned setting.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.

Yes. The majority of the time it works that way in my app as well. But
we are seeing a considerable amount of times that it does not work that
way. Especially when the user has more than one IE window open already.
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



----- Original Message ----
From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 8:38:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change the focus from Access to an IE window.


Hi Lonnie

That is how my A2003 and IE7 behave by default. I don't even know how to
change that.

/gustav

>>> prodevmg at yahoo.com 06-04-2007 05:13 >>>
I have URL's in a table. When clicked from a form the website opens. I
want to move the focus from Access to the newly opened window. How do I
do that?


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <007601c77aed$a1572830$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
	<007601c77aed$a1572830$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <007d01c77b07$058c0b40$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  Sounds simple enough<g>.  I know anti-virus packages do this all the time.
Thankfully, I can standardize on Outlook as a client, so this shouldn't be a
major hurdle.  What's bouncing around in the back of my mind is working with
the faxes as well.

  I haven't played around in the e-mail/fax area for a while now (used to
use Winfax Pro<g>).  I'm sure quite a bit has changed as has the products
available.  

  I also need to explore what Exchange has to offer for handling inbound
faxes.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

I do the same.  Outlook has a collection to hold messages.  Each message has
a collection to hold attachments.  You can iterate these collections storing
the objects as you wish.  I "strip off" attachments all of the time simply
by iterating the attachments collection and doing a save of the items. 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Regarding the attachments in emails: as has been pointed out, when you save
such emails as .msg files the attachments are included.

Regarding preventing the pesky users from damaging the stored files: I store
the files somewhere on the network and the users get at the files via an
Access app. When they select a file to examine the Access app *copies* the
original to a predefined folder on the user's home drive, and then opens the
copy for them to play with. When the Access application shuts down, any
files found in the predefined folder are deleted.

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C204044063@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c77b07$063088a0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Thanks Lambert.  Ensuring the integrity of received files is also something
I'm concerned about.  That sounds like a good solution.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Regarding the attachments in emails: as has been pointed out, when you save
such emails as .msg files the attachments are included.

Regarding preventing the pesky users from damaging the stored files: I store
the files somewhere on the network and the users get at the files via an
Access app. When they select a file to examine the Access app *copies* the
original to a predefined folder on the user's home drive, and then opens the
copy for them to play with. When the Access application shuts down, any
files found in the predefined folder are deleted.

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files


Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS> <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>

Marty,

<<One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
 legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.>>

  Definitely a thought.. This will be for a medicals claims system.

<<You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
with based on some sort of taxonomy.>>

  Got that well in hand already.  Main worry is all these external files.
The end users are non-computer literate folks, so I need everything to be as
automatic as possible.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
 legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.

You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
with based on some sort of taxonomy.

Look at TimeMatters, Legal Files, Billing Matters, and
PracticeMaster, Amicus Attorney

Both PracticeMaster and TimeMatters work with Outlook
 through MAPI and SMTP.

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/charts/casemanagementcomparison.html

http://www.timematters.com/products/timematters/

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Greetings All,
> 
>  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
>medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
>them external, but beyond that:
> 
>a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
>do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
> 
>b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
> 
>c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
>attachment or something more automatic?
> 
>  Any insights would be helpful.
> 
>Thanks,
>Jim
>  
>

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <002301c77ae9$534c33a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<002301c77ae9$534c33a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <007f01c77b07$067f44e0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Dan,

  How do you view the attachments once they are in .msg format?  I assume
you'd need to go through Outlook, or do they show up as individual files?

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Hi Jim,

I do this frequently.

I copy the files that a user has selected and move the copies to a specific
directory on the server where the db is stored.  I also make the copies
read-only so that when someone opens it (with a hyperlink path created at
run-time in code), they can't store changes over the stored copy.  I use
File Systems Object for this.

I guess an inbound fax would need to be scanned electronically to be stored
as a file.  Unless there is software that can be used to view a fax and save
it as a separate file without printing it out.

I have figured out how to pull emails from Outlook and save them as separate
files in .msg format.  I was surprised to find that when I did this, any
attachments came right along with the email!  I'll have to go through my
code to find this, and I'll reply again tomorrow.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086964@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086964@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <008001c77b07$06d77700$8abea8c0@XPS>

Martin,

  Thanks for that.  I have been starting to explore Share Point as one of
the recommendations I'll be making is for them to purchase SBS 2003 and
Office.  My problem is I can't really find anything in all the fluff that
Microsoft has about what it actually does or how it does it.  I probably
should install it and play with it (I have a MSDN Universal subscription) or
buy a book.

  This setup will have medical records coming in via e-mail and fax.  Most
are .tiff or PDF format. I'd really like a setup where I strip off the
attachment, tag and save them. Some type of notification to the user will
also be required (I was thinking it would be just the e-mail or fax itself
sans the attachments).

 I'm also going to need outbound capability, but I don't think that's going
to be as problematic.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Jim
 
I just set up a case management system for the University Counselling Office
in the SharePoint.
 
Email and attachments directly to  sharepoint email enabled lists. eg
CounsolListName at qub.ac.uk and you can send docs directly into the sharepoint
list. The user gets an automatic alert via Outlook that the doc is
available.
 
Almost no programming involved. Tight integration with our Active Directory.
May not be suitable for you but worked out well so far for us.
 
We use lists to split the cases up to individual staff,
 
All access is strictly internal only which saved a lot of work.

If they need to take the stuff of line we can always use A 2007 which works
well for us as well. 
 
Its mainly all in test mode at the moment but we will be moving almost
everything to MOSS 2007 over the next year or so.
 
Martin
 
 
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

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Sent: Mon 09/04/2007 20:54
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files



Greetings All,

  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:

a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?

b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?

c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?

  Any insights would be helpful.

Thanks,
Jim
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr  9 19:27:24 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <0JG800K84YKLF3S2@l-daemon>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS> <0JG800K84YKLF3S2@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <008201c77b07$078cbd40$8abea8c0@XPS>

Jim,

<<If there is any way I could help just let me know.>>

  Thanks. 

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Hi Jim:

For the one office I was commissioned to write a application that could
manage all their projects. One of the components was the handling of account
files, spreadsheets, invoices and other miscellaneous text file and
graphics. These files were storied externally in a public/private set of
directories but their locations were all transparently managed for the MS
Access application.

MS Access can be setup to access Outlook emails but how it would also manage
attachments is something I have never researched.

If there is any way I could help just let me know.

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr  9 20:21:49 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:21:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <007f01c77b07$067f44e0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS><002301c77ae9$534c33a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<007f01c77b07$067f44e0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <002901c77b0e$9d2d51a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Jim,

The attachments are contained with the single file.

Open an outlook email you've received that has an attachment.  Save it as a
separate file using .msg format.  Now close Outlook.  Now open that file,
and you'll see the attachment with it!  

It's pretty nice!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Dan,

  How do you view the attachments once they are in .msg format?  I assume
you'd need to go through Outlook, or do they show up as individual files?

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Hi Jim,

I do this frequently.

I copy the files that a user has selected and move the copies to a specific
directory on the server where the db is stored.  I also make the copies
read-only so that when someone opens it (with a hyperlink path created at
run-time in code), they can't store changes over the stored copy.  I use
File Systems Object for this.

I guess an inbound fax would need to be scanned electronically to be stored
as a file.  Unless there is software that can be used to view a fax and save
it as a separate file without printing it out.

I have figured out how to pull emails from Outlook and save them as separate
files in .msg format.  I was surprised to find that when I did this, any
attachments came right along with the email!  I'll have to go through my
code to find this, and I'll reply again tomorrow.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Greetings All,
 
  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
them external, but beyond that:
 
a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
 
b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
 
c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
attachment or something more automatic?
 
  Any insights would be helpful.
 
Thanks,
Jim
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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Apr  9 21:07:15 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:07:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01289580@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hmmm,

Sounds very close to www.nettiers.com
Definitely worth a look for those using VS 2005.

cheers

Michael M


Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!

Any questions?? LOL

Charlotte Foust



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  9 21:25:42 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:25:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS> <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>
	<008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <461AF5A6.8030807@shaw.ca>

Here is one mailing list you could ask questions
that might help. It a a legal software list, I look at occasionally

ABA American Bar Association Legal Technology Resource Center
http://mail.abanet.org/archives/lawtech.html

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Marty,
>
><<One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
> legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
>The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.>>
>
>  Definitely a thought.. This will be for a medicals claims system.
>
><<You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
>with based on some sort of taxonomy.>>
>
>  Got that well in hand already.  Main worry is all these external files.
>The end users are non-computer literate folks, so I need everything to be as
>automatic as possible.
>
>Jim.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:22 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files
>
>One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular
> legal case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
>The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.
>
>You should have a basic series file numbering system to start
>with based on some sort of taxonomy.
>
>Look at TimeMatters, Legal Files, Billing Matters, and
>PracticeMaster, Amicus Attorney
>
>Both PracticeMaster and TimeMatters work with Outlook
> through MAPI and SMTP.
>
>http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/
>
>http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/charts/casemanagementcomparison.html
>
>http://www.timematters.com/products/timematters/
>
>Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Greetings All,
>>
>> Question: anyone done work with case management and external files (i.e
>>medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best to leave
>>them external, but beyond that:
>>
>>a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
>>do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
>>
>>b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
>>
>>c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save the
>>attachment or something more automatic?
>>
>> Any insights would be helpful.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jim
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From pcs at azizaz.com  Mon Apr  9 23:50:51 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:50:51 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD]  Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
Message-ID: <20070410145051.CRP23482@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Hi,

I need help with the following:

I am opening a form called frmDisplay in design mode from 
code that has opened an ado recordset

frmDisplay has 100 text controls named 
TextControl1,
TextControl2,
..
TextControl100

that's all... no code behind form

After opening the Form I set the name of the textcontrols to 
the name of the fields in the ado recordset;
next I set the recordsource of the now named textcontrols to 
the fields in the ado recordset;
then I set the recordset of frmDisplay to the ado recordset;
and I open the Form is Datasheet mode....

So far so good....I can see the ado recordset as a 'table', 
resizing columns etc. .... any unused textcontrols are still 
named TextControl(n) .... all is good!

My problem comes when I am closing frmDisplay using the 
datasheet's close control.

I want to suppress the Access System prompt:

"The Form has been changed etc. do you want to save the 
changes?" Yes(default)  - No - Cancel

The User should just be able to close the Form .....

I've tried to cancel the closing of the Form on the UnLoad 
event - in order to gain programmatic control of the close 
process, but the system prompt has already kicked in by 
then....  If I set warnings to False, I get rid of the 
system prompt, but since Yes is the default - the Form is 
closed with all design changes saved!! not good!!

Any suggestion??

Regards
borge


The User sh 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 10 04:12:27 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:12:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet	Form
Message-ID: <s61b712e.078@cactus.dk>

Hi Borge

Couldn't you just create a master form which you copy to the name you currently use, then modify it as described. When finished, close and save (as you have to do now), then delete the modified form.

Another option is to write-protect the database file, thus any design change cannot be saved. Of course, neither can any other change - like writing to local temp tables - be saved. As will any bloating be history.

/gustav

>>> pcs at azizaz.com 10-04-2007 06:50 >>>
Hi,

I need help with the following:

I am opening a form called frmDisplay in design mode from 
code that has opened an ado recordset

frmDisplay has 100 text controls named 
TextControl1,
TextControl2,
..
TextControl100

that's all... no code behind form

After opening the Form I set the name of the textcontrols to 
the name of the fields in the ado recordset;
next I set the recordsource of the now named textcontrols to 
the fields in the ado recordset;
then I set the recordset of frmDisplay to the ado recordset;
and I open the Form is Datasheet mode....

So far so good....I can see the ado recordset as a 'table', 
resizing columns etc. .... any unused textcontrols are still 
named TextControl(n) .... all is good!

My problem comes when I am closing frmDisplay using the 
datasheet's close control.

I want to suppress the Access System prompt:

"The Form has been changed etc. do you want to save the 
changes?" Yes(default)  - No - Cancel

The User should just be able to close the Form .....

I've tried to cancel the closing of the Form on the UnLoad 
event - in order to gain programmatic control of the close 
process, but the system prompt has already kicked in by 
then....  If I set warnings to False, I get rid of the 
system prompt, but since Yes is the default - the Form is 
closed with all design changes saved!! not good!!

Any suggestion??

Regards
borge




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 10 06:31:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:31:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Case management and external files
In-Reply-To: <008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <000301c77ae0$ef9634d0$8abea8c0@XPS> <461AA077.8000302@shaw.ca>
	<008101c77b07$07394610$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <000901c77b63$bdcc9ab0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Jim,

They should be thinking of a document scanner / archive.  DIS, my insurance
client, scans all of their paperwork and has a completely paperless system.
The scanned paperwork is assigned a claim number to link it back to the
claim.  They take paperwork as it comes in the door and scans it (manually,
but it does have a document feeder).

It is not totally integrated, unfortunately the archive system cannot be
easily manipulated by my call center software but it still works a treat.
This system has a "remote access" kind of thing where users remote in from
their desk (the system is inside of their building) to access / view
documents.

Not cheap at somewhere south of 20K but given the cost of my time to build
the call center software, cost of storage for the paper etc. DIS still
thinks it is reasonable.  Plus, they can generate PDF files of all the docs
in a case and mail it (DVDs) to interested parties.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

Marty,

<<One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular  legal
case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.>>

  Definitely a thought.. This will be for a medicals claims system.

<<You should have a basic series file numbering system to start with based
on some sort of taxonomy.>>

  Got that well in hand already.  Main worry is all these external files.
The end users are non-computer literate folks, so I need everything to be as
automatic as possible.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Case management and external files

One option, you might want to look at, are some of the more popular  legal
case management solutions. These are in the $200-300 range.
The enterprise editions store info in SQL Server.

You should have a basic series file numbering system to start with based on
some sort of taxonomy.

Look at TimeMatters, Legal Files, Billing Matters, and PracticeMaster,
Amicus Attorney

Both PracticeMaster and TimeMatters work with Outlook  through MAPI and
SMTP.

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/

http://www.abanet.org/tech/ltrc/charts/casemanagementcomparison.html

http://www.timematters.com/products/timematters/

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Greetings All,
> 
>  Question: anyone done work with case management and external files 
>(i.e medical records, faxes, Word Docs, etc)?  I know it's always best 
>to leave them external, but beyond that:
> 
>a. Any best practices you've found for linking them to a given case - i.e.
>do you tag them or place them in a per claim specific directory?
> 
>b. How do you handle inbound faxes?  Any recommendations on software?
> 
>c. What about e-mails with attachments?  Manual operation to cut/save 
>the attachment or something more automatic?
> 
>  Any insights would be helpful.
> 
>Thanks,
>Jim
>  
>

--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 10 10:31:28 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:31:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
In-Reply-To: <20070410145051.CRP23482@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F26DC6CA674966F42ADC4FAD2580@phx.gbl>

Borge,

Could you use:
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "form1", acSaveNo

to close the form?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: <pcs at azizaz.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>CC: pcs at azizaz.com
>Subject: [AccessD]  Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:50:51 +1000 (EST)
>
>Hi,
>
>I need help with the following:
>
>I am opening a form called frmDisplay in design mode from
>code that has opened an ado recordset
>
>frmDisplay has 100 text controls named
>TextControl1,
>TextControl2,
>..
>TextControl100
>
>that's all... no code behind form
>
>After opening the Form I set the name of the textcontrols to
>the name of the fields in the ado recordset;
>next I set the recordsource of the now named textcontrols to
>the fields in the ado recordset;
>then I set the recordset of frmDisplay to the ado recordset;
>and I open the Form is Datasheet mode....
>
>So far so good....I can see the ado recordset as a 'table',
>resizing columns etc. .... any unused textcontrols are still
>named TextControl(n) .... all is good!
>
>My problem comes when I am closing frmDisplay using the
>datasheet's close control.
>
>I want to suppress the Access System prompt:
>
>"The Form has been changed etc. do you want to save the
>changes?" Yes(default)  - No - Cancel
>
>The User should just be able to close the Form .....
>
>I've tried to cancel the closing of the Form on the UnLoad
>event - in order to gain programmatic control of the close
>process, but the system prompt has already kicked in by
>then....  If I set warnings to False, I get rid of the
>system prompt, but since Yes is the default - the Form is
>closed with all design changes saved!! not good!!
>
>Any suggestion??
>
>Regards
>borge
>
>
>The User sh
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 10 10:36:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:36:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F26DC6CA674966F42ADC4FAD2580@phx.gbl>
References: <20070410145051.CRP23482@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
	<BAY127-F26DC6CA674966F42ADC4FAD2580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601c77b86$11558580$657aa8c0@m6805>

Yes, but you will have to disable the close button in the upper left of the
form (the X), then build a close button that runs that code.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form

Borge,

Could you use:
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "form1", acSaveNo

to close the form?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: <pcs at azizaz.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>CC: pcs at azizaz.com
>Subject: [AccessD]  Suppress System Dialog when closing DataSheet Form
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:50:51 +1000 (EST)
>
>Hi,
>
>I need help with the following:
>
>I am opening a form called frmDisplay in design mode from code that has 
>opened an ado recordset
>
>frmDisplay has 100 text controls named
>TextControl1,
>TextControl2,
>..
>TextControl100
>
>that's all... no code behind form
>
>After opening the Form I set the name of the textcontrols to the name 
>of the fields in the ado recordset; next I set the recordsource of the 
>now named textcontrols to the fields in the ado recordset; then I set 
>the recordset of frmDisplay to the ado recordset; and I open the Form 
>is Datasheet mode....
>
>So far so good....I can see the ado recordset as a 'table', resizing 
>columns etc. .... any unused textcontrols are still named 
>TextControl(n) .... all is good!
>
>My problem comes when I am closing frmDisplay using the datasheet's 
>close control.
>
>I want to suppress the Access System prompt:
>
>"The Form has been changed etc. do you want to save the changes?" 
>Yes(default)  - No - Cancel
>
>The User should just be able to close the Form .....
>
>I've tried to cancel the closing of the Form on the UnLoad event - in 
>order to gain programmatic control of the close process, but the system 
>prompt has already kicked in by then....  If I set warnings to False, I 
>get rid of the system prompt, but since Yes is the default - the Form 
>is closed with all design changes saved!! not good!!
>
>Any suggestion??
>
>Regards
>borge
>
>
>The User sh
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Apr 10 10:46:23 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:46:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
properly.

For example, one that I am fighting right now is a line like this...(this is
a extremely simple version of the function)

====================================================
On Error GoTo No_beuDBAGetProp
beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)

Exit_beuDBAGetProp:
    Set db = Nothing
    Exit Function
No_beuDBAGetProp:
    On Error GoTo Err_beuDBAGetProp
    If beuDBACreateProp(db, strProp) = True Then
      Resume 0
    Else
      Resume Exit_beuDBAGetProp
    End If
====================================================

So when the code tries to retreive the property and it doesn't exist it
should goto the No_.. line and start the routine to create the property.
However, it just pops up the standard Access error dialog and stops the code
from running.

I have the same problem in a relinking function where I check for a table in
the BE...
    On Error Resume Next
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(conLinkTable)

Whether the link is good or not it should continue to the next line.  Again,
in this case, it stops the code and will not continue.

What's going on?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017






From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 11:20:05 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> properly.

<snip>

> What's going on?

In the VBE

Tools|Options...
General Tab

You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on
All Errors, as I suspect you have.


-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 10 12:15:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:15:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c77b93$e6bc0840$657aa8c0@m6805>

This is probably a runtime SYNTAX error.  I would guess that you need to use
a set statement.

Set beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)

Or... The property being returned is not the correct type defined in the
property statement - returning a long when the property is expecting to
return a currency, something like that.

Or... Do a decompile / compile . Compact / repair.

Or... Jump up and down on one foot, muttering incantations to the right
subset of the Access gods, promising never to try anything too complex with
Access again...

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:46 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K

Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
properly.

For example, one that I am fighting right now is a line like this...(this is
a extremely simple version of the function)

====================================================
On Error GoTo No_beuDBAGetProp
beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)

Exit_beuDBAGetProp:
    Set db = Nothing
    Exit Function
No_beuDBAGetProp:
    On Error GoTo Err_beuDBAGetProp
    If beuDBACreateProp(db, strProp) = True Then
      Resume 0
    Else
      Resume Exit_beuDBAGetProp
    End If
====================================================

So when the code tries to retreive the property and it doesn't exist it
should goto the No_.. line and start the routine to create the property.
However, it just pops up the standard Access error dialog and stops the code
from running.

I have the same problem in a relinking function where I check for a table in
the BE...
    On Error Resume Next
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(conLinkTable)

Whether the link is good or not it should continue to the next line.  Again,
in this case, it stops the code and will not continue.

What's going on?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 10 12:17:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:17:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
	<e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c77b94$13964560$657aa8c0@m6805>

Good one!  But why suddenly?   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K

On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working 
> properly.

<snip>

> What's going on?

In the VBE

Tools|Options...
General Tab

You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on All
Errors, as I suspect you have.


--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 10 12:18:07 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:18:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>

I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked back.  
No reason given.  below is the text of the email:

"This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       accessd at databaseadvisors.com"

Just wanted to let someone know.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:05 -0400
>
>On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> > Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> > properly.
>
><snip>
>
> > What's going on?
>
>In the VBE
>
>Tools|Options...
>General Tab
>
>You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on
>All Errors, as I suspect you have.
>
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
>preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>shouting "What a great ride!"
>--
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Apr 10 13:00:47 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:00:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <000e01c77b93$e6bc0840$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPOENOEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

> Or... Jump up and down on one foot, muttering incantations to the right
> subset of the Access gods, promising never to try anything too
> complex with
> Access again...

I think this is my best option...

This is all code that has run flawlessly for years.

I have decompile/compiled/compacted and imported everything to a new db and
tried all that stuff again.  Sometimes I have problems - sometimes I don't.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:16 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>
>
> This is probably a runtime SYNTAX error.  I would guess that you
> need to use
> a set statement.
>
> Set beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)
>
> Or... The property being returned is not the correct type defined in the
> property statement - returning a long when the property is expecting to
> return a currency, something like that.
>
> Or... Do a decompile / compile . Compact / repair.
>
> Or... Jump up and down on one foot, muttering incantations to the right
> subset of the Access gods, promising never to try anything too
> complex with
> Access again...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:46 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>
> Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> properly.
>
> For example, one that I am fighting right now is a line like
> this...(this is
> a extremely simple version of the function)
>
> ====================================================
> On Error GoTo No_beuDBAGetProp
> beuDBAGetProp = db.Properties(strProp)
>
> Exit_beuDBAGetProp:
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Exit Function
> No_beuDBAGetProp:
>     On Error GoTo Err_beuDBAGetProp
>     If beuDBACreateProp(db, strProp) = True Then
>       Resume 0
>     Else
>       Resume Exit_beuDBAGetProp
>     End If
> ====================================================
>
> So when the code tries to retreive the property and it doesn't exist it
> should goto the No_.. line and start the routine to create the property.
> However, it just pops up the standard Access error dialog and
> stops the code
> from running.
>
> I have the same problem in a relinking function where I check for
> a table in
> the BE...
>     On Error Resume Next
>     Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(conLinkTable)
>
> Whether the link is good or not it should continue to the next
> line.  Again,
> in this case, it stops the code and will not continue.
>
> What's going on?
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>






From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Apr 10 13:00:46 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:00:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPMENOEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Good idea, but unfortunately not it.  Also, this is extremely intermittent -
after writing the email neither error occurred in the same db that caused me
to write the email.

The one thing that may be in common on the apps that this occurs in is that
they are being worked on on a different (newer) computer and then I am
bringing them back to mine to finalize the updates and create the exe for
distribution.

In the normal course of me working on them I am finding these error
problems.

I'll have to investigate exactly what files I have problems with and when
and where they were worked on.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>
>
> On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> > Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> > properly.
>
> <snip>
>
> > What's going on?
>
> In the VBE
>
> Tools|Options...
> General Tab
>
> You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on
> All Errors, as I suspect you have.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>






From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 13:10:41 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:10:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77b94$13964560$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCENKEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
	<e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01c77b94$13964560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101110m68436888kb30092be5b0b1255@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Good one!  But why suddenly?

Someone got somewhere they shouldn't?

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 13:12:33 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:12:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPMENOEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPMENOEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101112ne032346ife50466268afe4a6@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> Good idea, but unfortunately not it.  Also, this is extremely intermittent -
> after writing the email neither error occurred in the same db that caused me
> to write the email.
>
> The one thing that may be in common on the apps that this occurs in is that
> they are being worked on on a different (newer) computer and then I am
> bringing them back to mine to finalize the updates and create the exe for
> distribution.
>
> In the normal course of me working on them I am finding these error
> problems.
>
> I'll have to investigate exactly what files I have problems with and when
> and where they were worked on.

First place to check is Jet SP levels.

I ran into all sorts of weird problems with A2K and Jet SP levels a
while back (ok, a few years ago).

All it took was ignoring IT and upgrading the workstations to Jet SP6
(IIRC), which is what my development machine was at.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 10 13:13:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:13:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01289580@ddi-01.DDI.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA2589FC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JG100L1REXIDTG0@l-daemon><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A0A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01289580@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

If you're writing C#, of course!  LOL  

We do use CodeSmith, primarily to autogen Nunit tests and some of our
basic stuff in data entities, unless we need to custom build them.  I
hand build Nunit tests for business rules ... And hand build the
business rules as well.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New database design for MS SQL

Hmmm,

Sounds very close to www.nettiers.com
Definitely worth a look for those using VS 2005.

cheers

Michael M


Eeek! How on earth would I do that??  

I can explain that we use a data tier that abstracts the actual data
structures by building "entity" classes that implement a typeddataset
for that data entity and interface classes that define what the data
providers will expose for the entity.  The entity/typeddataset can
address and manipulate a single table or multiple related tables
simultaneously.  We use an OleDbProvider project that houses the SQL (in
XML files) and code classes specific to a related group of tables and
their children.  The entity classes call into the data provider classes,
so the code to do a particular thing (i.e., get the next ID number for a
particular table for a particular set of parameters) is in a single
location.

We build "business rules" into the entity classes that take care of
things like returning an exception if a record is being deleted and
there are related records that need to be deleted or reassigned.  We
also use them to cascade changes/deletions/insertions to tables where it
can't be done automatically.  For instance, when we create a new Well
record, the data tier automatically creates and initial wellBore record
and doesn't allow the user to delete that wellbore except by deleting
the well.  Someday, if I ever find the time, I'm going to try modelling
this in Access!

Any questions?? LOL

Charlotte Foust

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 13:15:40 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:15:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101115w339eadcfh1dd69b77f0575f7f@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked back.
> No reason given.  below is the text of the email:
>
> "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>
> Delivery to the following recipients failed.
>
>        accessd at databaseadvisors.com"
>
> Just wanted to let someone know.

In addition to the request I sent off list, which e-mail address did
you try to send from?

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Apr 10 13:29:45 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:29:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704101112ne032346ife50466268afe4a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPAEOAEMAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I have Jet version 4.0.8618.0 which is in the Windows XP SP2 and Security
Bulletin MS04-014 release.  This is a later version than is included with
Jet SP 8.0

I hate computers.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>
>
> On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> > Good idea, but unfortunately not it.  Also, this is extremely
> intermittent -
> > after writing the email neither error occurred in the same db
> that caused me
> > to write the email.
> >
> > The one thing that may be in common on the apps that this
> occurs in is that
> > they are being worked on on a different (newer) computer and then I am
> > bringing them back to mine to finalize the updates and create
> the exe for
> > distribution.
> >
> > In the normal course of me working on them I am finding these error
> > problems.
> >
> > I'll have to investigate exactly what files I have problems
> with and when
> > and where they were worked on.
>
> First place to check is Jet SP levels.
>
> I ran into all sorts of weird problems with A2K and Jet SP levels a
> while back (ok, a few years ago).
>
> All it took was ignoring IT and upgrading the workstations to Jet SP6
> (IIRC), which is what my development machine was at.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>






From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 14:56:27 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:56:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101256s3100e5eds28a23209addcb75f@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked back.
> No reason given.  below is the text of the email:
>
> "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>
> Delivery to the following recipients failed.
>
>        accessd at databaseadvisors.com"
>
> Just wanted to let someone know.

Mark,

After looking at the attachments you sent,  it appears that some
Hotmail servers are on sorbs.net DNSBL.

In english that means that some Hotmail servers are on one of the Spam
Blacklists that was implemented this past weekend to help and aleviate
the spam problem on DBAs server.

The reason I say it's some, is because at least one of your posts made
it to the list.

At this point, all I can suggest is that when you get the rejection,
resend. It will probably go out on a different server.

I, apparently, have to do some more looking at the server config.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 10 15:13:17 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:13:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704101256s3100e5eds28a23209addcb75f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F81FB222C3F15209789C8BD2580@phx.gbl>

Thanks Bryan...4th try????


>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:56:27 -0400
>
>On 4/10/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked 
>back.
> > No reason given.  below is the text of the email:
> >
> > "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
> >
> > Delivery to the following recipients failed.
> >
> >        accessd at databaseadvisors.com"
> >
> > Just wanted to let someone know.
>
>Mark,
>
>After looking at the attachments you sent,  it appears that some
>Hotmail servers are on sorbs.net DNSBL.
>
>In english that means that some Hotmail servers are on one of the Spam
>Blacklists that was implemented this past weekend to help and aleviate
>the spam problem on DBAs server.
>
>The reason I say it's some, is because at least one of your posts made
>it to the list.
>
>At this point, all I can suggest is that when you get the rejection,
>resend. It will probably go out on a different server.
>
>I, apparently, have to do some more looking at the server config.
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Apr 10 15:55:43 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:55:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c77bb2$9b606750$8abea8c0@XPS>

Mark,

  I've had a couple of those to.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned

I've replied to 3 messages from AccessD today.  2 of the were kicked back.  
No reason given.  below is the text of the email:

"This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       accessd at databaseadvisors.com"

Just wanted to let someone know.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error Handler failing - A2K
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:05 -0400
>
>On 4/10/07, Reuben Cummings <reuben at gfconsultants.com> wrote:
> > Recently, in some apps, the error handlers do not seem to be working
> > properly.
>
><snip>
>
> > What's going on?
>
>In the VBE
>
>Tools|Options...
>General Tab
>
>You should have Break on Unhandled Errors selected and not Break on
>All Errors, as I suspect you have.
>
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 19:11:25 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:11:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emails getting Returned
In-Reply-To: <000e01c77bb2$9b606750$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <e04a6c920704100920w6822fd6k91f90d93ea4ec6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-F16BEE97F38345CE5435645D2580@phx.gbl>
	<000e01c77bb2$9b606750$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704101711u4c3a7da3te4219b2bccf776e1@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/10/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>   I've had a couple of those to.

I've disabled the blacklist that was blocking the Hotmail servers. I
also went through the log file and it was also blocking verizon. So
hopefully we are good to go.

If not please let me know at listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND
bryan at carbonnell.ca

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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:18:03 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:18:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering Word
	text
Message-ID: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an Access
memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects the
entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything. 

Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table. 

Susan H. 






From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Apr 11 10:22:21 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:22:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
	Wordtext
In-Reply-To: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A9D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Tell all, Susan.  What versions of Word and Access is this person using?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
Wordtext

A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an
Access memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field
rejects the entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into
this problem.
I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything. 

Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table. 

Susan H. 




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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 10:28:55 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:28:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
	Word text
In-Reply-To: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if the problem memo field being pasted into is part of a
query result set? Perhaps the query would only allow the limit of a
text field in a memo field while the table itself would allow the
larger size?  Just a guess. You could create a query over your test
table and try that maybe.

GK

On 4/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at setel.com> wrote:
> A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an Access
> memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects the
> entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
> I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything.
>
> Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
>
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Apr 11 10:36:10 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:36:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi:

I'm in the process of developing a simple application that has to print out
EAN 128 format barcodes.

Does anyone have any recommendations of plugins, activex components or fonts
that are reliable? 

Thanks in advance. 

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645




From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:37:53 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:37:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWord text
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00eb01c77c4f$5f20bc70$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

Tried it, worked fine. Thank you for trying -- would you like to play again?
;) 

Susan H.  


I wonder if the problem memo field being pasted into is part of a query
result set? Perhaps the query would only allow the limit of a text field in
a memo field while the table itself would allow the larger size?  Just a
guess. You could create a query over your test table and try that maybe.

GK

On 4/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at setel.com> wrote:
> A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an 
> Access memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo 
> field rejects the entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run
into this problem.
> I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything.
>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 11 10:38:51 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:38:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWord text
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101c77c4f$819896b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

I'd have them email the back end to you and try it yourself.  Or use Remote
Assistance to look at the field.  It certainly sounds like they're trying to
paste into a Text field not a memo.  

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
enteringWord text

I wonder if the problem memo field being pasted into is part of a query
result set? Perhaps the query would only allow the limit of a text field in
a memo field while the table itself would allow the larger size?  Just a
guess. You could create a query over your test table and try that maybe.

GK

On 4/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at setel.com> wrote:
> A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an 
> Access memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo 
> field rejects the entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run
into this problem.
> I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything.
>
> Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
>
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>


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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:39:54 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:39:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWordtext
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A9D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258A9D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00f101c77c4f$a7b24fd0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

I didn't ask, but I'll find out.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
enteringWordtext

Tell all, Susan.  What versions of Word and Access is this person using?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
Wordtext

A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an Access
memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects the
entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything. 

Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table. 

Susan H. 




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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Apr 11 10:42:18 2007
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:42:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
	Word text
Message-ID: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D185@jgexch1.jenkens.com>

Can she verify that it is any chunk of word text greater than 255 characters
and any memo field?  There could be something specific about either one that
is causing the problem.  If she verifies that it happens every time (I would
even test a new database with a new table.) then it becomes an Access engine
issue.  Otherwise it is likely corruption hiding somewhere.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at setel.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering Word
text


A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an Access
memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects the
entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything. 

Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table. 

Susan H. 




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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:50:58 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:50:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains whenenteringWord
	text
In-Reply-To: <003101c77c4f$819896b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
	<003101c77c4f$819896b0$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00f401c77c51$377777c0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

Rocky, I agree, but she insists that the field is a Memo field. That's why I
thought I'd ask if anyone knew of a specific problem between Word and
Access. 

Susan H. 

I'd have them email the back end to you and try it yourself.  Or use Remote
Assistance to look at the field.  It certainly sounds like they're trying to
paste into a Text field not a memo.  




From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 10:52:10 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:52:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWord text
In-Reply-To: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D185@jgexch1.jenkens.com>
References: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D185@jgexch1.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c77c51$5e192590$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

 

Can she verify that it is any chunk of word text greater than 255 characters
and any memo field?  There could be something specific about either one that
is causing the problem.  If she verifies that it happens every time (I would
even test a new database with a new table.) then it becomes an Access engine
issue.  Otherwise it is likely corruption hiding somewhere.

============Yes, on the 255 character issue. However, she hadn't tried
manually entering the text (typing new text herself), so she was going to
try that to see what happened. 

Susan H. 



From bill_patten at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 11 11:12:50 2007
From: bill_patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:12:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing
In-Reply-To: <01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne><aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
	<01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <A1E5729F2E2343DDB4D7641984C358BE@BPCS>

Larry,

I have been testing LabelGo 2 from Bokai.  (http://ww.bokai.com  The have a 
demo you can use to see if it will do what you want. I have tested it in a 
report as an invoice number and also on an inventory report so that the 
users can scan each item on the report and it seems to work fine. The 
licensing is a little confusing but I checked with them and the developer 
license will allow you to distribute it as long as the user can't develop 
their own forms etc. About $300

I'm waiting for an answer from my client before implementation but feel 
pretty good about it.


Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing


> Hi:
>
> I'm in the process of developing a simple application that has to print 
> out
> EAN 128 format barcodes.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations of plugins, activex components or 
> fonts
> that are reliable?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Wed Apr 11 11:48:04 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:48:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] acCmdExport Question
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C222E082@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
Message-ID: <OFE463D196.8066E5DA-ON852572BA.005BF3EE-852572BA.005C4977@is002023.gdls.com>

I have a form with 29 combo boxes (the user's choices limit the data 
displayed by new ADO recordsets' being created) and 43 fields. Using the 
simple command "DoCmd.RunCommand  acCmdExport", to export the displayed 
recordset to Excel, I get 72 columns! How can I control this to NOT give 
the combo box data? VBA Help doesn't tell me anything about acCmdExport, 
unfortunately; maybe there's a way to state just what is to be exported? 

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 11 12:27:34 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:27:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
Message-ID: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>

All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 11 12:42:19 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:42:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] acCmdExport Question
In-Reply-To: <OFE463D196.8066E5DA-ON852572BA.005BF3EE-852572BA.005C4977@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C222E082@xlivmbx35.aig.com>
	<OFE463D196.8066E5DA-ON852572BA.005BF3EE-852572BA.005C4977@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c77c60$c0c0e480$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Tom,

You need to create a query (or in code, a SELECT FROM WHERE string) that has
the columns and data you want moved to the spreadsheet, and use that query's
name or the string in the Export command.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acCmdExport Question

I have a form with 29 combo boxes (the user's choices limit the data 
displayed by new ADO recordsets' being created) and 43 fields. Using the 
simple command "DoCmd.RunCommand  acCmdExport", to export the displayed 
recordset to Excel, I get 72 columns! How can I control this to NOT give 
the combo box data? VBA Help doesn't tell me anything about acCmdExport, 
unfortunately; maybe there's a way to state just what is to be exported? 

TIA,

Thomas F. Ewald
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 11 12:44:42 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:44:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
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Hi Jim,

Somewhere I read that the memo field in Access 2007 has formatting
capabilities - perhaps like the FMS Memo control.

Good Luck!
Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 12:46:43 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:46:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne>

Are they willing to upgrade to 2007? I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007 -- might be
worth looking into. 

Susan H. 

All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 11 12:50:12 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:50:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F242C10167972A0D30C3F8DD25F0@phx.gbl>

If you can use different approaches for each of your line numbers...

>5. Ability to spell check
How about:  RunCommand acCmdSpelling

Haven't used it since 97...not sure if it is still an option.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:27:34 -0400
>
>All,
>
>   Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
>Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
>because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
>
>  I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need 
>a
>RTF control that can do the following:
>
>1. Different fonts and sizes.
>2. Different font colors.
>3. Ability to bold and italicize.
>4. Ability to high light in color.
>5. Ability to spell check
>6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
>characters and a string is inserted in place of).
>
>   The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I 
>really
>don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
>FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
>
>   Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
>
>TIA,
>Jim.
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 11 12:53:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:53:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
Message-ID: <s61d3cbc.028@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

#6 is more like a word processor feature, not a feature of a Rich Text control.
However, #5 can be performed by at least A2007, was is not for a nasty bug:

  http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/29653342/spell-check-problems-in-a.aspx 

That may be solved. 
Further, note that the Rich Text control in A2007 is HTML-based while the standard MS Rich Text ocx is RTF-based.

I once noticed this word processor style ocx which - at a price - could be used for your purpose:

  http://www.spellchecksoftware.com/aboutspe.htm 

but I have not worked with it myself; I've always used the simple MS Rich Text ocx.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 11-04-2007 19:27 >>>
All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr 11 19:32:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:32:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <002701c77c99$fcbe7810$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>

Jim

...I've used Lebans rtf.ocx (www.lebans.com) in several apps now and am 
really pleased with it's reliability, simplicity, and avoidance of 
versioning issues ...although Items 5 & 6 are not native, there are ready 
solutions to do them in Access without another ocx ...dl the install and 
samples from his site and take a look, its all free and lebans writes solid 
code that won't screw with you ...plus he readily answers support/design 
questions about it on the ms.access.public news group.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?


> All,
>
>  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
> Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native 
> controls
> because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
>
> I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
> RTF control that can do the following:
>
> 1. Different fonts and sizes.
> 2. Different font colors.
> 3. Ability to bold and italicize.
> 4. Ability to high light in color.
> 5. Ability to spell check
> 6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
> characters and a string is inserted in place of).
>
>  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
> don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked 
> out
> FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
>
>  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
>
> TIA,
> Jim.
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr 11 19:38:37 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:38:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne><aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com>
	<01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <002b01c77c9a$e9492040$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>

Larry

...after some trial and error I settled on IDAutomation's barcode fonts in 
some ticketing and security apps http://www.idautomation.com/ ...their 
products come with solid Access sample apps/code and they're responsive to 
questions from newbies to barcoding ...I've used several different scanners 
on these fonts and have had zero problems with reading them.

William Hindman

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From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing


> Hi:
>
> I'm in the process of developing a simple application that has to print 
> out
> EAN 128 format barcodes.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations of plugins, activex components or 
> fonts
> that are reliable?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Apr 11 20:02:22 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:02:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering
	Wordtext
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000301c77c9e$3ad91250$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>

...it could be that your reader is using a query with the Unique Values 
property set to yes and a memo field included ...if so there is, iirc, an MS 
KB on the bug somewhere ...the Unique Values results in a comparison of the 
memo fields using text boxes ...you get no error, just the first 255 
characters ...basically you have to run one query without the memo field and 
then use it as a source for another query with the memo field from the table 
itself included.

William Hindman

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From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at setel.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when entering 
Wordtext


>A reader is trying to cut and paste text from a Word document into an 
>Access
> memo field. When the text is over 255 characters, the Memo field rejects 
> the
> entry. I ran a quick test for myself and did _not_ run into this problem.
> I've checked microsoft's support sites and not found anything.
>
> Any help? The best I can come up with is a corrupted table.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Wed Apr 11 20:31:25 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:31:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reader problem: memo field complains when
	enteringWordtext
In-Reply-To: <000301c77c9e$3ad91250$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<000301c77c9e$3ad91250$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
Message-ID: <002f01c77ca2$4d20f460$7334fad1@SusanOne>

Turned out that she had forgotten about a log table -- and that table's
field wasn't a Memo. :( I did suggest that to her first thing, but of
course, because she'd forgotten about that table, she didn't remember to
check it until  much later in the day. I do crap lik that myself. 

Susan h. 

...it could be that your reader is using a query with the Unique Values
property set to yes and a memo field included ...if so there is, iirc, an MS
KB on the bug somewhere ...the Unique Values results in a comparison of the
memo fields using text boxes ...you get no error, just the first 255
characters ...basically you have to run one query without the memo field and
then use it as a source for another query with the memo field from the table
itself included.




From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Apr 12 08:42:07 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:42:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing
In-Reply-To: <002b01c77c9a$e9492040$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
References: <00d701c77c4c$9b3f8ae0$05b62ad1@SusanOne><aea6c4950704110828x29263a23kde1c9980c4ce7217@mail.gmail.com><01eb01c77c4f$226f0430$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<002b01c77c9a$e9492040$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
Message-ID: <012201c77d08$5e497030$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Thanks William & Bill P.:

I've also been looking at the Idautomation tools, as they seem reasonable
and their demos work. Good to know that someone else is using their stuff.

Thanks for your input.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing

Larry

...after some trial and error I settled on IDAutomation's barcode fonts in
some ticketing and security apps http://www.idautomation.com/ ...their
products come with solid Access sample apps/code and they're responsive to
questions from newbies to barcoding ...I've used several different scanners
on these fonts and have had zero problems with reading them.

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Barcoding Printing


> Hi:
>
> I'm in the process of developing a simple application that has to print 
> out
> EAN 128 format barcodes.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations of plugins, activex components or 
> fonts
> that are reliable?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 12 11:33:14 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:33:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258ADA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust


From bill_patten at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 12 11:46:27 2007
From: bill_patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:46:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258ADA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258ADA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <205EA4453EDB4F4DBFBEC3D64DFA1AF1@BPCS>

Hi  Charlotte,

Just us lurkers today I guess.

Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?


> Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 12 11:49:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:49:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?
Message-ID: <s61e7f49.049@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Got Office 2007 installed - and now fighting with A2007 and that nasty over-it-all pane ... controls and menus are everywhere - took me a while to locate Access Options juxtaposed to a Close button just for fun. What did they drink? And at the down right corner - in the status bar - now is a full set of buttons for change between views of queries! Oh my ...

Still struggling to find out how to get rid of the "Add new field" column in tables' data(!) view.

This will take a while, I can feel.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 12-04-2007 18:33 >>>
Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr 12 11:43:26 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:43:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <013301c77d21$b20b0d50$1493a8c0@LaptopII>

Susan,

<<Are they willing to upgrade to 2007?>>

  There is nothing in place as of yet, so that would not be a problem.

<<I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007>>

  Was aware of that, but haven't found any docs on it as yet.  I'll have to
install 2007 and see what it's like.

  I'll let you know what its like

Thanks,
Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

Are they willing to upgrade to 2007? I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007 -- might be
worth looking into. 

Susan H. 

All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr 12 11:53:13 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:53:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <s61d3cbc.028@cactus.dk>
References: <s61d3cbc.028@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <013401c77d23$10066390$1493a8c0@LaptopII>

Gustav,

<<#6 is more like a word processor feature, not a feature of a Rich Text
control.>>

  yeah, that's is going to be the rub I think.  The nursing staff is pretty
adamant about having it.  A lot of the reports they generate will include
some canned text, so the ability to insert text at a specific point is
pretty important to them.

  Right now, they are using Word to do all the reports.  It may be that I'll
need to bite the bullet and use in-place activation with Word to get what I
need.

<<#5 can be performed by at least A2007, was is not for a nasty>>

 Very nice to know; Thanks!  I need to get a2007 loaded up and check this
out.

<<I once noticed this word processor style ocx which - at a price - could be
used for your purpose:>>

  That's very encouraging; if there is one out there then there is probably
more.  The price doesn't bother me; I just want it to *work*, which is why I
was looking for some "hands on" recommendations.

  This control will be a fundamental part of the app.  

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

Hi Jim

#6 is more like a word processor feature, not a feature of a Rich Text
control.
However, #5 can be performed by at least A2007, was is not for a nasty bug:

 
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/29653342/spell-check-problems-in-
a.aspx 

That may be solved. 
Further, note that the Rich Text control in A2007 is HTML-based while the
standard MS Rich Text ocx is RTF-based.

I once noticed this word processor style ocx which - at a price - could be
used for your purpose:

  http://www.spellchecksoftware.com/aboutspe.htm 

but I have not worked with it myself; I've always used the simple MS Rich
Text ocx.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 11-04-2007 19:27 >>>
All,
 
  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native controls
because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
 
 I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
RTF control that can do the following:
 
1. Different fonts and sizes.
2. Different font colors.
3. Ability to bold and italicize.
4. Ability to high light in color.
5. Ability to spell check
6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
characters and a string is inserted in place of).
 
  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked out
FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
 
  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
 
TIA,
Jim.


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 12 11:57:42 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:57:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Activity?
In-Reply-To: <s61e7f49.049@cactus.dk>
References: <s61e7f49.049@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258ADE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Martin's book is a good intro.  

One of the (many) things I hate about this version of Office is that the
options that used to be at the bottom of the tools menus are now tucked
away behind an options button at the bottom of the pane that drops down
from the IMO non-intuitive round office button in the upper left.   

The download that Marty posted nearly a month ago helps too.  
http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=AM101757761033

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Activity?

Hi Charlotte

Got Office 2007 installed - and now fighting with A2007 and that nasty
over-it-all pane ... controls and menus are everywhere - took me a while
to locate Access Options juxtaposed to a Close button just for fun. What
did they drink? And at the down right corner - in the status bar - now
is a full set of buttons for change between views of queries! Oh my ...

Still struggling to find out how to get rid of the "Add new field"
column in tables' data(!) view.

This will take a while, I can feel.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 12-04-2007 18:33 >>>
Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Apr 12 11:54:03 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:54:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <002701c77c99$fcbe7810$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<002701c77c99$fcbe7810$7d7d6c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
Message-ID: <014201c77d23$2db989d0$1493a8c0@LaptopII>

William,

  Thanks, I'll check it out.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

Jim

...I've used Lebans rtf.ocx (www.lebans.com) in several apps now and am 
really pleased with it's reliability, simplicity, and avoidance of 
versioning issues ...although Items 5 & 6 are not native, there are ready 
solutions to do them in Access without another ocx ...dl the install and 
samples from his site and take a look, its all free and lebans writes solid 
code that won't screw with you ...plus he readily answers support/design 
questions about it on the ms.access.public news group.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?


> All,
>
>  Has anyone had good success with any of the RTF controls out there for
> Access?  In the past, I've always been loath to use any non-native 
> controls
> because of the lack of functionality in Access's Active-X interface.
>
> I've gotten the gig with the case management thing and I'm going to need a
> RTF control that can do the following:
>
> 1. Different fonts and sizes.
> 2. Different font colors.
> 3. Ability to bold and italicize.
> 4. Ability to high light in color.
> 5. Ability to spell check
> 6. Ability to insert pre-defined text (ala AutoCorrect, type a few
> characters and a string is inserted in place of).
>
>  The last three items are critical and I cannot do without them.  I really
> don't want to use Word via OLE because of the overhead.  I have checked 
> out
> FMS, inc's RTF control, but it doesn't do #6 from what I can see.
>
>  Thoughts, comments, recommendations welcome...
>
> TIA,
> Jim.
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From ssharkins at setel.com  Thu Apr 12 12:31:17 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:31:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] HEY Martin! (RE:  RTF control for Access?)
In-Reply-To: <013301c77d21$b20b0d50$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS><011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne>
	<013301c77d21$b20b0d50$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
Message-ID: <002a01c77d28$61bf9da0$f334fad1@SusanOne>

Martin's probably the one to ask -- I know he's worked extensively with
Access 2007. 

Susan H. 

Susan,

<<Are they willing to upgrade to 2007?>>

  There is nothing in place as of yet, so that would not be a problem.

<<I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007>>

  Was aware of that, but haven't found any docs on it as yet.  I'll have to
install 2007 and see what it's like.

  I'll let you know what its like




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Apr 12 13:00:58 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:00:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HEY Martin! (RE:  RTF control for Access?)
References: <002201c77c5e$b2a3fc90$8abea8c0@XPS><011601c77c61$5ebe7300$05b62ad1@SusanOne><013301c77d21$b20b0d50$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
	<002a01c77d28$61bf9da0$f334fad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE20108696B@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

2007 has a rich text . Works well but only with the new Access 2007 file type and is a field property when creating the table for memo Datatypes. I believe it stores the text as HTML. Its main limit is its an Access 2007 tool.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thu 12/04/2007 18:31
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HEY Martin! (RE: RTF control for Access?)



Martin's probably the one to ask -- I know he's worked extensively with
Access 2007.

Susan H.

Susan,

<<Are they willing to upgrade to 2007?>>

  There is nothing in place as of yet, so that would not be a problem.

<<I haven't checked it out myself, but
there's supposed to be a new and improved RTF control in 2007>>

  Was aware of that, but haven't found any docs on it as yet.  I'll have to
install 2007 and see what it's like.

  I'll let you know what its like


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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Thu Apr 12 15:58:51 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:58:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Hello, All

I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas" with such an implementation.  

Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for study would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Don McGillivray





From bheid at sc.rr.com  Thu Apr 12 16:10:49 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:10:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?
In-Reply-To: <013401c77d23$10066390$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
References: <s61d3cbc.028@cactus.dk> <013401c77d23$10066390$1493a8c0@LaptopII>
Message-ID: <000601c77d47$0be75b10$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

We once did an app in VB where we could insert "place holder fields" into
the text by dragging and dropping a node or double-clicking a node from a
tree view control.  This was used later to generate a kind of mail merge
document where we replaced the field(s) with as value.  You might could do
something like this, but insert text.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RTF control for Access?

Gustav,

<<#6 is more like a word processor feature, not a feature of a Rich Text
control.>>

  yeah, that's is going to be the rub I think.  The nursing staff is pretty
adamant about having it.  A lot of the reports they generate will include
some canned text, so the ability to insert text at a specific point is
pretty important to them.

  Right now, they are using Word to do all the reports.  It may be that I'll
need to bite the bullet and use in-place activation with Word to get what I
need.
<snip>




From joeget at vgernet.net  Thu Apr 12 18:46:37 2007
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:46:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN>

all of my upgrades have worked with minimal issues

John Eget
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" <Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility


> Hello, All
>
> I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed 
> using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few 
> reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being 
> deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked 
> by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an 
> Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to 
> 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new 
> Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas" 
> with such an implementation.
>
> Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for 
> study would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Don McGillivray
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 12 20:48:22 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:48:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>,
	<005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN>
Message-ID: <461F6E06.29796.3260E44F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" <Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility

> I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed 
> using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few 
> reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being 
> deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked 
> by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an 
> Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to 
> 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new 
> Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas" 
> with such an implementation.
>
> Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for 
> study would be greatly appreciated.
>

Check out http://www.allenbrowne.com/Access2007.html
for a list of the good, the bad and the ugly.






From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 12 22:14:11 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:14:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
 
I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
 
"SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
 
Any help?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Apr 12 22:23:10 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:23:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
References: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c77d7b$11e1d250$0302a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Lonnie,

Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
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  From: Lonnie Johnson 
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  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
   
  I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
   
  "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
   
  Any help?
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 12 22:29:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:29:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
In-Reply-To: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c77d7b$ff103490$657aa8c0@m6805>

Lonnie,

There are a couple of options - automation and referencing.  

Automation means the same thing that it does in Excel or Word, creating an
instance of the remote database and manipulating it to cause it to open the
report.  That is rather ugly because it is difficult to keep the manipulated
database from displaying itself in the process of manipulating it, i.e. it
wants to "open".  If the remote database has an autoexec or an autoform then
that will try to execute / open.  I am no expert in automation of Access
databases so there may in fact be methods to get around these issues. 

Referencing means creating a reference to the database so that you can run
code inside of the database.  Having done that, you can then create public
functions that take a report name as a parameter and then opens that report.
Since the data for the report is inside of the database (or linked to it
anyway) this works nicely.  Unfortunately references can get messy depending
on the circumstance.

As you can see, there are ways to do this and which you choose will depend
on your circumstances.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db

Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
 
I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
 
"SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
 
Any help?
 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr 13 01:46:32 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:46:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>,
	<005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN>
	<461F6E06.29796.3260E44F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE20108696D@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Stuart
 
If you want to zip it up and forward to me I can check it for you. But if its  a basic report I don't think there will be any issues.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Fri 13/04/2007 02:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility



----- Original Message -----
From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" <Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility

> I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed
> using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few
> reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being
> deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked
> by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an
> Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to
> 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new
> Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas"
> with such an implementation.
>
> Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for
> study would be greatly appreciated.
>

Check out http://www.allenbrowne.com/Access2007.html
for a list of the good, the bad and the ugly.




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 03:55:32 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:55:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 woe (was: Activity?)
Message-ID: <s61f61bb.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that's what I mean - options, menus, strange buttons, panes, etc. are all over.
Marty's link seems to be very useful solving this.

The link from Stuart (thanks) gave me this:

Modify schema (Datasheet)
On by default, so users can add, delete, and rename fields in Datasheet view.
Can disable: Office Button | Access Options | Current Database | Enable Design Changes in Datasheet View. 
 
/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 12-04-2007 18:57 >>>
Martin's book is a good intro.  

One of the (many) things I hate about this version of Office is that the
options that used to be at the bottom of the tools menus are now tucked
away behind an options button at the bottom of the pane that drops down
from the IMO non-intuitive round office button in the upper left.   

The download that Marty posted nearly a month ago helps too.  
http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=AM101757761033 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Activity?

Hi Charlotte

Got Office 2007 installed - and now fighting with A2007 and that nasty
over-it-all pane ... controls and menus are everywhere - took me a while
to locate Access Options juxtaposed to a Close button just for fun. What
did they drink? And at the down right corner - in the status bar - now
is a full set of buttons for change between views of queries! Oh my ...

Still struggling to find out how to get rid of the "Add new field"
column in tables' data(!) view.

This will take a while, I can feel.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 12-04-2007 18:33 >>>
Haven't seen any activity today.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 08:36:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:36:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Message-ID: <s61fa372.065@cactus.dk>

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Apr 13 10:17:06 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:17:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Message-ID: <20070413141710.8D8182B6B85@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Ah well, as we're so quiet try this. Go to Google maps, select Get
Directions, enter London to New York. Enjoy the trip but watch out for no
37.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Date: 13/04/07 13:41


** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 09:33:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:33:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Message-ID: <s61fb0d3.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Just bring your swim suit and you'll be kept busy for the weekend!

/gustav

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 13-04-2007 17:17 >>>
Ah well, as we're so quiet try this. Go to Google maps, select Get
Directions, enter London to New York. Enjoy the trip but watch out for no
37.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Date: 13/04/07 13:41


** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 13 09:46:12 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:46:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
In-Reply-To: <20070413141710.8D8182B6B85@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0JGF00JUXY6AHU11@l-daemon>

OT Friday:

Tired of those plain MS SQL DBs... try this:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx

...and... 

http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim  



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Apr 13 11:06:04 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:06:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
Message-ID: <20070413150609.39B2A4C269@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Swimming the Atlantic suddenly looks like child's play.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
Date: 13/04/07 14:52


OT Friday:

Tired of those plain MS SQL DBs... try this:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx

....and...

http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm

Jim



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 10:21:33 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:21:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
Message-ID: <s61fbc36.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Yes. It could be the next challenge for the guy who recently swam the Amazonas downstream - in 66 days!

/gustav

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 13-04-2007 18:06 >>>
Swimming the Atlantic suddenly looks like child's play.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humourly but good SQL fun)
Date: 13/04/07 14:52


OT Friday:

Tired of those plain MS SQL DBs... try this:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb245675.aspx 

....and...

http://www.sqlserverbible.com/ordbms.htm 

Jim




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr 13 11:57:47 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:57:47 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <s61fa372.065@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* alien
software?

My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from Russian
anecdote:

Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
strip-club. 
2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that 
4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, and
a woman - up to a chin. 
5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
hours to finish investigation. 
6. Everyone can land a plane.
7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
part of a building. 
8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion. 
10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
enough for them to speak English with German accent.
11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator. 
12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check what
is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, magnificent
hair and magnificent teeth. 
15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway will
be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
menacing body movements. 
16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel has
to be twisted furiously here and there. 
17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child is
locked. 
18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
shower or dives with an aqualung.

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Importance: Low

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav


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From drboz at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 13 12:08:47 2007
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:08:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
References: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001a01c77dee$687a4340$6601a8c0@don>

Add to your list the fact that the hero/heroine don't seem to mind walking 
around in darkened rooms when there's something bad in there.

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)


> Hi Gustav,
>
> It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* 
> alien
> software?
>
> My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from 
> Russian
> anecdote:
>
> Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
> 1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
> strip-club.
> 2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
> 3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
> passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that
> 4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, 
> and
> a woman - up to a chin.
> 5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
> hours to finish investigation.
> 6. Everyone can land a plane.
> 7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
> will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
> part of a building.
> 8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window.
> 9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
> large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion.
> 10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
> enough for them to speak English with German accent.
> 11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
> at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator.
> 12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
> and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check 
> what
> is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen.
> 13. Collided cars always blow up and burn.
> 14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, 
> magnificent
> hair and magnificent teeth.
> 15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway 
> will
> be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
> menacing body movements.
> 16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel 
> has
> to be twisted furiously here and there.
> 17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
> Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child 
> is
> locked.
> 18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
> shower or dives with an aqualung.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
> Importance: Low
>
> ** Low Priority **
>
> Hi all, quiet day again.
>
> A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Fri Apr 13 12:09:51 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE20108696D@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D237E6B@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>,
	<005801c77d5c$ea10c7e0$f0c2f63f@JOHN><461F6E06.29796.3260E44F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE20108696D@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A0D238A36@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Thanks to all for the offers, input, and expertise.  This should be enough to allow me to ease their fears.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility

Stuart
 
If you want to zip it up and forward to me I can check it for you. But if its  a basic report I don't think there will be any issues.
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Fri 13/04/2007 02:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility



----- Original Message -----
From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" <Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 to Access 2007 compatibility

> I've been involved with a little project on the side that was developed
> using Access 2003.  The program is very simple - just a front end with few
> reports and a UI to pass criteria to them for viewing.  It is not being
> deployed as a runtime.  The folks I've been working with have been asked
> by a potential customer whether the program will function as-is under an
> Access 2007 environment.  Neither I nor my associates intend to upgrade to
> 2007 soon, so we can't easily experiment with this to be sure.  If the new
> Access is like its predecessors, I presume there may be some "gotchas"
> with such an implementation.
>
> Specific experiences, areas of concern, or suggestions other resources for
> study would be greatly appreciated.
>

Check out http://www.allenbrowne.com/Access2007.html
for a list of the good, the bad and the ugly.




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 13 12:19:09 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:19:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Message-ID: <s61fd7c2.071@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

That's right, I forgot that ... remember the old virus "Friday 13th"?. Scary indeed.

Also, add to the list:
Cowboys newer sh.t.

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 13-04-2007 18:57 >>>
Hi Gustav,

It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* alien
software?

My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from Russian
anecdote:

Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
strip-club. 
2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that 
4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, and
a woman - up to a chin. 
5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
hours to finish investigation. 
6. Everyone can land a plane.
7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
part of a building. 
8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion. 
10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
enough for them to speak English with German accent.
11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator. 
12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check what
is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, magnificent
hair and magnificent teeth. 
15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway will
be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
menacing body movements. 
16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel has
to be twisted furiously here and there. 
17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child is
locked. 
18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
shower or dives with an aqualung.

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Importance: Low

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Apr 13 12:20:47 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:20:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
References: <s61fa372.065@cactus.dk> <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <002e01c77df0$14b6dd20$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Well - I just learned a lot about Hollywood movies!!

Thanks Shamil!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Hi Gustav,

It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* alien
software?

My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from Russian
anecdote:

Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
strip-club. 
2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that 
4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, and
a woman - up to a chin. 
5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
hours to finish investigation. 
6. Everyone can land a plane.
7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
part of a building. 
8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion. 
10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
enough for them to speak English with German accent.
11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator. 
12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check what
is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, magnificent
hair and magnificent teeth. 
15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway will
be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
menacing body movements. 
16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel has
to be twisted furiously here and there. 
17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child is
locked. 
18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
shower or dives with an aqualung.

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Importance: Low

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

/gustav


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Apr 13 13:52:14 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:52:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <01d301c77dfc$da8b6eb0$9898d355@minster33c3r25>

Great stuff Shamil, thanks. And SO true.

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 13 April 2007 17:58
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
> 
> 
> Hi Gustav,
> 
> It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with 
> *malicious* alien software?
> 
> My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a 
> translated from Russian
> anecdote:
> 
> Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
> 1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one 
> time visits a strip-club. 
> 2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to 
> each other. 3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible 
> to hide in a crowd of a passing by parade. For sure there 
> will be suitable parade to do that 
> 4. On every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up 
> to a belt, and a woman - up to a chin. 
> 5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she 
> is given 48 hours to finish investigation. 
> 6. Everyone can land a plane.
> 7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to 
> hide, nobody will try to search for you there you there, but 
> using it you can reach any part of a building. 
> 8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
> 9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the 
> indicator with large red figures for everybody to see what 
> time remains before explosion. 
> 10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German 
> language, it is enough for them to speak English with German 
> accent. 11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To 
> get a light in kitchen at night time it is enough to open a 
> door of a refrigerator. 
> 12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and 
> gloomy building and having heard a suspicious sound, the 
> heroine(actress) goes to check what is happening, having put 
> on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
> 13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
> 14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have 
> shining, magnificent hair and magnificent teeth. 
> 15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, 
> there anyway will be just one attacking you, and the others 
> at this time will be making menacing body movements. 
> 16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the 
> steering wheel has to be twisted furiously here and there. 
> 17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a 
> credit card. Exception is the case when a fire begins in the 
> house where a small child is locked. 
> 18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine 
> (actress) takes a shower or dives with an aqualung.
> 
> --
> Shamil
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
> Importance: Low
> 
> ** Low Priority **
> 
> Hi all, quiet day again.
> 
> A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
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> 




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 13 14:52:52 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:52:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <001201c77dec$dd073760$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <016701c77e05$52d73400$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Hi Gustav,

It's Friday, the *13th* today. Everybody are fighting with *malicious* alien
software?

My 0.02 kopeks for Friday humor - the following is a translated from Russian
anecdote:

Here is what we learn from the Hollywood films:
1. During any kind of investigation a policemen at least one time visits a
strip-club. 
2. Foreigners prefer to speak English even if they talk to each other.
3. To rescue from a pursuit it is always possible to hide in a crowd of a
passing by parade. For sure there will be suitable parade to do that 4. On
every bed there is an L-shaped blanket closing a man up to a belt, and a
woman - up to a chin. 
5. The best detective is always discharged of work or he/she is given 48
hours to finish investigation. 
6. Everyone can land a plane.
7. A ventilation system of any building is the best place to hide, nobody
will try to search for you there you there, but using it you can reach any
part of a building. 
8. Tour Eiffel in Paris is visible from EACH window. 
9. Any bomb with clockwork is additionally equipped by the indicator with
large red figures for everybody to see what time remains before explosion. 
10. It's not necessary for Nazis officers to know German language, it is
enough for them to speak English with German accent.
11. There is no illumination system in kitchens. To get a light in kitchen
at night time it is enough to open a door of a refrigerator. 
12. Having remained alone to spend the night in a dark and gloomy building
and having heard a suspicious sound, the heroine(actress) goes to check what
is happening, having put on her most magnificent and seductive linen. 
13. Collided cars always blow up and burn. 
14. Medieval and even primitive inhabitants always have shining, magnificent
hair and magnificent teeth. 
15. If you have got surrounded by more than one opponent, there anyway will
be just one attacking you, and the others at this time will be making
menacing body movements. 
16. Even if a car goes on a flat and a straight road, the steering wheel has
to be twisted furiously here and there. 
17. Any lock can be opened by a paper clip, hairpin or a credit card.
Exception is the case when a fire begins in the house where a small child is
locked. 
18. Lipstick is not getting erased, even if a heroine (actress) takes a
shower or dives with an aqualung.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
Importance: Low

** Low Priority **

Hi all, quiet day again.

A good marriage lasts forever - a bad marriage feels so.

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr 13 15:21:24 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:21:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
References: <016701c77e05$52d73400$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086971@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Just to finish this off
 
My Uncle, Sean was in the Merchant Navy. In the 1960s of the coast of Africa he was killed. His mate was asked to go up a chair to paint a mast. His mate refused as it was Friday 13th. My Uncle went up, rope broke and he was killed.
 
True story.
 
 
Martin
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
Sent: Fri 13/04/2007 20:52
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)



Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky





       


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr 13 16:15:35 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:15:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <016701c77e05$52d73400$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>

Rocky,

No, there is no 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition here - I have got
known about it after I started to talk to Western colleagues via Internet...

Unlucky/heavy day is considered to be Monday here, every Monday :) And
Monday, 13th is considered especially heavy/unlucky...

There is a very famous here Soviet times' comedy movie and a soundtrack to
this movie is a song about "Unlucky Island" having these words: "Whatever
they (inhabitants of Unlucky Island) do - it doesn't work well, it looks
like they were born on Monday..."

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky
 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 13 18:16:04 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:16:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
In-Reply-To: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>

OK I kind of forgot it was OT Friday so I can post a link to an op-ed piece
that my 17 y.o. got published in the San Diego Union Tribune today?  It's
just shameless boasting but as they say - easier to ask forgiveness than
permission.  Hard to keep a proud Dad at bay, you know - 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070413/news_lz1e13sutton.html

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Rocky,

No, there is no 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition here - I have got
known about it after I started to talk to Western colleagues via Internet...

Unlucky/heavy day is considered to be Monday here, every Monday :) And
Monday, 13th is considered especially heavy/unlucky...

There is a very famous here Soviet times' comedy movie and a soundtrack to
this movie is a song about "Unlucky Island" having these words: "Whatever
they (inhabitants of Unlucky Island) do - it doesn't work well, it looks
like they were born on Monday..."

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky
 


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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 15 20:01:43 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <701922.48730.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Hi Lonnie,

Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: AccessD solving&#39; 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
   
  I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
   
  "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
   
  Any help?
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
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  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Apr 15 21:23:16 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
References: <701922.48730.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c77fce$322f7530$0302a8c0@Laptop>

Alright, Lonnie.
I think the simplest method would be to create a public function
in the referenced database that tells the report to open.
Then it doesn't matter where you call it from, it just pops up.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Hi Lonnie,

  Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

  Michael R. Mattys
  MapPoint & Access Dev
  www.mattysconsulting.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lonnie Johnson 
    To: AccessD solving&#39; 
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
     
    I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
     
    "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
     
    Any help?
     
    May God bless you beyond your imagination!
    Lonnie Johnson
    ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
    Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




     



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From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Mon Apr 16 07:47:25 2007
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:47:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)
References: <019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A05D6@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>

Wow.  Dad is justly proud. 



Liz
 
 
 



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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

OK I kind of forgot it was OT Friday so I can post a link to an op-ed
piece that my 17 y.o. got published in the San Diego Union Tribune
today?  It's just shameless boasting but as they say - easier to ask
forgiveness than permission.  Hard to keep a proud Dad at bay, you know
- 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070413/news_lz1e13sutton.html

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Rocky,

No, there is no 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition here - I have got
known about it after I started to talk to Western colleagues via
Internet...

Unlucky/heavy day is considered to be Monday here, every Monday :) And
Monday, 13th is considered especially heavy/unlucky...

There is a very famous here Soviet times' comedy movie and a soundtrack
to this movie is a song about "Unlucky Island" having these words:
"Whatever they (inhabitants of Unlucky Island) do - it doesn't work
well, it looks like they were born on Monday..."

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (humour)

Do Russians have the 'Unlucky Friday the 13th' superstition?

Rocky
 


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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 16 08:09:42 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <905309.89689.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks. I guess I should have been more revealing. 

I have been asked to create a process by which the user can type in a database path and name into one field and a report name in another field, click a button and that report opens. So I will be adding references to the main database dynamically and through code and retrieving the report. It sounds like a pain but it's what they want. They are bent on certain conveniences like not having to open another database.

Does that help?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:23:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Alright, Lonnie.
I think the simplest method would be to create a public function
in the referenced database that tells the report to open.
Then it doesn't matter where you call it from, it just pops up.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Hi Lonnie,

  Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

  Michael R. Mattys
  MapPoint & Access Dev
  www.mattysconsulting.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lonnie Johnson 
    To: AccessD solving&#39; 
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
     
    I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
     
    "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
     
    Any help?
     
    May God bless you beyond your imagination!
    Lonnie Johnson
    ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
    Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




     



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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Apr 16 09:19:22 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:49:22 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
References: <917134.1031.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c78032$5b555e70$0357a27a@pcadt>

Lonnie,

    Two alternatives are available as follows, for viewing / printing reports & forms belonging to external db:

    (a) Library reference to external db:
    (i) In local db, set up library reference named "External" to the external db and then call subroutines & functions belonging to external db by using the qualifier "External." 
    (ii) In the code modules of external db, care is to be taken to use CodeDb & CodeProject in lieu of CurrentDb & CurrentProject respectively, wherever occurring.
    (iii) Automatic setting up of correct reference to external db can be ensured programmatically, through code in start-up form of local db.

    (b) Access automation:
    Activate the external db via automation and toggle respective visibilities of local & external db's appropriately, for user convenience.

    Two of my sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you:
    (a) ExternalDbAsLibraryRef
    (b) ExternalDbAutomation

    Both samples are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: AccessD solving&#39; 
  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 08:44
  Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
   
  I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
   
  "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
   
  Any help?
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Apr 16 09:21:49 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:21:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel
References: <905309.89689.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086986@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

I have a member of staff who is in real need of some expert Excel help. They are also a mature studend and close to deadline re an Excel project as part of their MA. I dont know enough to help her. Would anyone with good Excel expereince care to volunteer???
 
You can contact me of line.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Mon Apr 16 10:55:43 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:55:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
References: <905309.89689.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006401c7803f$b1cac760$0302a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Lonnie,

While I haven't looked at A.D.'s implementations,
my guess is that they're sufficient to answer all of your questions.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Thanks. I guess I should have been more revealing. 

  I have been asked to create a process by which the user can type in a database path and name into one field and a report name in another field, click a button and that report opens. So I will be adding references to the main database dynamically and through code and retrieving the report. It sounds like a pain but it's what they want. They are bent on certain conveniences like not having to open another database.

  Does that help?
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:23:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Alright, Lonnie.
  I think the simplest method would be to create a public function
  in the referenced database that tells the report to open.
  Then it doesn't matter where you call it from, it just pops up.

  Michael R. Mattys
  MapPoint & Access Dev
  www.mattysconsulting.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lonnie Johnson 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:01 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
     
    May God bless you beyond your imagination!
    Lonnie Johnson
    ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
    Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




     



    ----- Original Message ----
    From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Hi Lonnie,

    Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

    Michael R. Mattys
    MapPoint & Access Dev
    www.mattysconsulting.com
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Lonnie Johnson 
      To: AccessD solving&#39; 
      Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


      Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
       
      I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database with...
       
      "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
       
      Any help?
       
      May God bless you beyond your imagination!
      Lonnie Johnson
      ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
      Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




       



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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 11:40:56 2007
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:40:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT -- Transfer Rich Text to SQL Server
Message-ID: <001301c78046$02391570$2f01a8c0@Kermit>

Does anyone on this list happen to know how to take a rich text formatted
cell from Excel and transfer that to SQL Server?

 

Doris Manning

Database Administrator

Hargrove Inc.



From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Apr 16 13:44:49 2007
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:44:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>

Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There are a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased w/it. The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the mileage rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter this rate, every quarter, if it changes.

This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in a bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so the allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may change it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate question will be relevant for that too.

I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they are stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do I reference this record?

Example:

Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485

Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]

Make sense? I hope!

John W. Clark





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 16 14:03:24 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:03:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F25CDCE6CF0E709462FE994D2520@phx.gbl>

John,

I do something similar.  I use a dlookup...and then give them a form with an 
unbound field and a button to change it.  On this form they enter the new 
(in your case) milage...and I use a SQL statement behing the button to write 
over my singe record.  This way the don't have the chance to enter 
additional records in the table.  The Dlookup is then used in all of my 
calculations.

Hope this helps...

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


>From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:44:49 -0400
>
>Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There are 
>a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased 
>w/it. The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the 
>mileage rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and 
>alter this rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
>This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of 
>times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in a 
>bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so the 
>allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old 
>amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may change 
>it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate 
>question will be relevant for that too.
>
>I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the 
>rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type 
>form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they 
>are stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how 
>do I reference this record?
>
>Example:
>
>Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
>Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
>Make sense? I hope!
>
>John W. Clark
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 14:03:56 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:03:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
 XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <001301c78046$02391570$2f01a8c0@Kermit>
References: <001301c78046$02391570$2f01a8c0@Kermit>
Message-ID: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca>

Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-bit-ed.aspx

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-bit-ed.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 ? This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won?t be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 ? Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Apr 16 14:15:10 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:15:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

John,

I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up of
the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the user
to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text field,
then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.


'load the data
dim mdRate as double
dim rs as recordset
dim db as database
dim strSQL as string

strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
set db=currentdb()
set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
mdRate=rs(0)
rs.close
set rs=nothing
db.close
set db=nothing



'And use it like:
[AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate


Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There are
a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased w/it.
The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the mileage
rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter this
rate, every quarter, if it changes.

This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in a
bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so the
allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may change
it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
question will be relevant for that too.

I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they are
stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do I
reference this record?

Example:

Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485

Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]

Make sense? I hope!

John W. Clark




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 14:13:30 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:13:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086986@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <905309.89689.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086986@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4623CADA.2010000@shaw.ca>

Here is a useful active Excel-L mailing list and archive

http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html

Martin Reid wrote:

>I have a member of staff who is in real need of some expert Excel help. They are also a mature studend and close to deadline re an Excel project as part of their MA. I dont know enough to help her. Would anyone with good Excel expereince care to volunteer???
> 
>You can contact me of line.
> 
>Martin
> 
>Martin WP Reid
>Training and Assessment Unit
>Riddle Hall
>Belfast
> 
>tel: 02890 974477
> 
>

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Canada



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 16 14:31:23 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:31:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB0B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

A number of years ago when I first started running Access queries from
inside Excel I found that I was unable to run queries with functions in the
database for criteria. I was told this was a limitation of VBA (I was using
office 97). Ever since then I have gotten around this by using sub queries
which get the criteria from a table, ie a pure sql solution. This thread has
me wondering if it is possible to use Access functions within queries
executed from within Excel by using different referencing?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Lonnie,

    Two alternatives are available as follows, for viewing / printing
reports & forms belonging to external db:

    (a) Library reference to external db:
    (i) In local db, set up library reference named "External" to the
external db and then call subroutines & functions belonging to external db
by using the qualifier "External." 
    (ii) In the code modules of external db, care is to be taken to use
CodeDb & CodeProject in lieu of CurrentDb & CurrentProject respectively,
wherever occurring.
    (iii) Automatic setting up of correct reference to external db can be
ensured programmatically, through code in start-up form of local db.

    (b) Access automation:
    Activate the external db via automation and toggle respective
visibilities of local & external db's appropriately, for user convenience.

    Two of my sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you:
    (a) ExternalDbAsLibraryRef
    (b) ExternalDbAutomation

    Both samples are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers
library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 14:53:13 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:53:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
 XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Excellent research as always. 

Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
but just in IE

Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won't be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


-- 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 16:56:33 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:56:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
 XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
References: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca> <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000001c78072$191b8710$8abea8c0@XPS>


  I loved this part:

"# re: MSXML4 is going to be kill bit-ed 
Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:18 PM by XmlTeam 
To amplify Umut's point a bit -- The point of killbitting MSXML4 is to
encourage people to migrate to MSXML6 so that they have a solid foundation
going forward. There are no plans for an MSXML7, so this isn't something
we're going to ask you to do all over again in a couple of years."

  Uh, yeah right...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
2007 but just in IE

Hi Marty:

Excellent research as always. 

Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
but just in IE

Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won't be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 16 17:09:05 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:09:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>,
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>,
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <4623F401.17816.2E6C23D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 16 Apr 2007 at 14:44, John Clark wrote:

> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do I
> reference this record?
> 
> Example:
> 
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
> 
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]

You would use DLookup("CurRate","tblMIleageRate"). Problem is there are 
several situations where Access can't handle this - notably in CrossTab 
queries. 

One solution is to use STATIC functions. They've been discussed several 
times here in the past, search the archives for a discussion of the 
benefits.  Here's how I would approach your problem.

[AmtOwed] = [Miles] * CurRate()
.......
Static Function CurRate() As Curency
Dim store As Long
If store = 0 Then
   store = DLookup("CurRate", "tblMileageRate")
End If
   CurRate = store
End Function

First time you use the function, it does the lookup, from then on, it 
doesn't need to so is a lot faster - important if you use the rate over 
many rows in a query.

If you want to be able to change the rate during a session then you need to 
expand the function:

Static Function CurRate(Option Rate as Currency = -1 ) As Curency
Dim store As Currency
If Rate <> -1 then
   CurrentDB.Execute "Update tblMileageRate Set CurRate = " & Rate
   store = Rate
End If
If store = 0 Then
   store = DLookup("CurRate", "tblMileageRate")
End If
   CurRate = store
End Function

Now "CurRate 0.485" will set the rate, "CurRate()" willl return the rate.

-- 
Stuart




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 17:17:33 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:17:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
	<001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com>

I think a DLookup is simpler:

Me.Control = Dlookup("Rate", "MyTable").

hth,
Arthur

On 4/16/07, Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up
> of
> the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the
> user
> to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text
> field,
> then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.
>
>
> 'load the data
> dim mdRate as double
> dim rs as recordset
> dim db as database
> dim strSQL as string
>
> strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
> set db=currentdb()
> set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
> mdRate=rs(0)
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> db.close
> set db=nothing
>
>
>
> 'And use it like:
> [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate
>
>
> Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>
> Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There
> are
> a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased
> w/it.
> The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the
> mileage
> rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter
> this
> rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
> This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
> times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in
> a
> bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so
> the
> allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
> amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may
> change
> it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
> question will be relevant for that too.
>
> I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
> rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
> form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they
> are
> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do
> I
> reference this record?
>
> Example:
>
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
> Make sense? I hope!
>
> John W. Clark
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 16 18:03:55 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:03:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
	XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE XML 4.0 to be
	kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <000001c78072$191b8710$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca> <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
	<000001c78072$191b8710$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <004301c7807b$82833c80$0200a8c0@danwaters>

How do you upgrade to MSXML 6.0?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
2007 but just in IE XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE


  I loved this part:

"# re: MSXML4 is going to be kill bit-ed 
Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:18 PM by XmlTeam 
To amplify Umut's point a bit -- The point of killbitting MSXML4 is to
encourage people to migrate to MSXML6 so that they have a solid foundation
going forward. There are no plans for an MSXML7, so this isn't something
we're going to ask you to do all over again in a couple of years."

  Uh, yeah right...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
2007 but just in IE

Hi Marty:

Excellent research as always. 

Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
but just in IE

Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
bit-ed.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won't be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Apr 16 18:21:21 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:21:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
	<001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
	<29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7807d$f1db7ff0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

I agree it would be simpler, but I have tried to get away from dlookup and
the like because it opens another connection to the database.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

I think a DLookup is simpler:

Me.Control = Dlookup("Rate", "MyTable").

hth,
Arthur

On 4/16/07, Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up
> of
> the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the
> user
> to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text
> field,
> then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.
>
>
> 'load the data
> dim mdRate as double
> dim rs as recordset
> dim db as database
> dim strSQL as string
>
> strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
> set db=currentdb()
> set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
> mdRate=rs(0)
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> db.close
> set db=nothing
>
>
>
> 'And use it like:
> [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate
>
>
> Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>
> Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There
> are
> a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased
> w/it.
> The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the
> mileage
> rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter
> this
> rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
> This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
> times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in
> a
> bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so
> the
> allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
> amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may
> change
> it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
> question will be relevant for that too.
>
> I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
> rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
> form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they
> are
> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do
> I
> reference this record?
>
> Example:
>
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
> Make sense? I hope!
>
> John W. Clark
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 20:20:07 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:20:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
	XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE XML 4.0 to
	be	kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <004301c7807b$82833c80$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <4623C89C.8000209@shaw.ca> <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
	<000001c78072$191b8710$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<004301c7807b$82833c80$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <462420C7.90104@shaw.ca>

It is preinstalled on Vista and with SQL 2005 SP2
otherwise msi file. some older bits maynot work like XDR schemas
You need for XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 and  new upgrades to
XQuery 1.0



http://tinyurl.com/33borw

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en


Dan Waters wrote:

>How do you upgrade to MSXML 6.0?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:57 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
>2007 but just in IE XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
>
>
>  I loved this part:
>
>"# re: MSXML4 is going to be kill bit-ed 
>Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:18 PM by XmlTeam 
>To amplify Umut's point a bit -- The point of killbitting MSXML4 is to
>encourage people to migrate to MSXML6 so that they have a solid foundation
>going forward. There are no plans for an MSXML7, so this isn't something
>we're going to ask you to do all over again in a couple of years."
>
>  Uh, yeah right...
>
>Jim. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:53 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct
>2007 but just in IE
>
>Hi Marty:
>
>Excellent research as always. 
>
>Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
>else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
>but just in IE
>
>Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
>even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
>introduced.
>
>MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
>bit-ed.aspx
>
>MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
>download for supported downlevel platforms from
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
>9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en
>
>MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
>of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
>Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
>XQuery 1.0.
>
>However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
>but not XSD schemas.
>
>MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references
>
>* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
>so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
>stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."
>
>* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
>2007,
>via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
>this change is that
>applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
>browser.
>Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
>of this kill bit
>and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
>from MSXML4 and
>MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
>MSXML 6.0."
>
>MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
>More information here:
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
>bit-ed.aspx
>
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx
>
>
>MS Notes.
>
>MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
>version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
>are working
>on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs
>
>MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
>We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
>won't be adding any functional improvements.
>
>MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
>approaching End of Life.
>
>MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 16 20:49:15 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:49:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
 XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007 but just in IE
In-Reply-To: <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
References: <0JGL00LMWWDKVK18@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <4624279B.1010305@shaw.ca>

There are many XML DOM parsers aside from Microsoft's not to mention SAX 
parsers.
However AJAX with MS IE, uses an XMLHTTP Active X to grab files.
XML is based on a series of WSC standards that are being released on a 
yearly basis.
like XSLT 2.0 or XPATH 2.0.  SQL 2005 SP2 installs XML 6.0
also Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0, Microsoft Visual Studio 2005,
and Windows SharePoint Services 3.0.

To get around crossbrowser problems using say Mozilla, you can use 
JavaScript
methods that have been around prior to AJAX. One I use is Sarissa.
A lot of these libraries are available for AJAX.
A cross-browser ECMAScript lib that helps with browser incompatibilities
in XMLHttpRequest/XML/XSLT/XPath along with some with some
useful utility methods. Just extract sarrissa.js

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sarissa/

How  to use
 http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/javascript/ajax.html#crossbrowser

A really simple cross browser java script

/* creates an XMLHttpRequest instance */
function createXmlHttpRequestObject()
{
// will store the reference to the XMLHttpRequest object
var xmlHttp;
// this should work for all browsers except IE6 and older
try
{
// try to create XMLHttpRequest object
xmlHttp = new XMLHttpRequest();
}
catch(e)
{
// assume IE6 or older
var XmlHttpVersions = new Array("MSXML2.XMLHTTP.6.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP.5.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP.4.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP.3.0",
"MSXML2.XMLHTTP",
"Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
// try every prog id until one works
for (var i=0; i<XmlHttpVersions.length && !xmlHttp; i++)
{
try
{
// try to create XMLHttpRequest object
xmlHttp = new ActiveXObject(XmlHttpVersions[i]);
}
catch (e) {}
}
}
// return the created object or display an error message
if (!xmlHttp)
alert("Error creating the XMLHttpRequest object.");
www.PacktPub.com
13
else
return xmlHttp;
}
/*


Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Excellent research as always. 
>
>Does this mean that there will be 2 versions of XML, MS's and everyone
>else's? AJAX is enough of an issue. 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:04 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming, XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in Oct 2007
>but just in IE
>
>Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
>even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
>introduced.
>
>MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
>bit-ed.aspx
>
>MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
>download for supported downlevel platforms from
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-
>9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en
>
>MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
>of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
>Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
>XQuery 1.0.
>
>However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
>but not XSD schemas.
>
>MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references
>
>* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
>so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
>stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."
>
>* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
>2007,
>via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
>this change is that
>applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
>browser.
>Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
>of this kill bit
>and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
>from MSXML4 and
>MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
>MSXML 6.0."
>
>MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
>More information here:
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-
>bit-ed.aspx
>
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx
>
>
>MS Notes.
>
>MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
>version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
>are working
>on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs
>
>MSXML3 - This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
>We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
>won't be adding any functional improvements.
>
>MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
>approaching End of Life.
>
>MSXML 5 - Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.
>
>
>  
>

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Canada



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 16 20:55:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:55:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB0B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB0B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <000801c78093$8cb44240$657aa8c0@m6805>

Jim,

The issue it appears is one of scope.  Queries running in an access
environment can see code inside of that container.  It cannot see functions
inside of the excel spreadsheet.  To my knowledge, while you can reference
the Excel libraries, you cannot reference code modules inside of
spreadsheets or workbooks (from within Access), nor code inside of documents
(word, from inside of Access).  That makes Access unique within office as a
container that can contain referencable code.  

IOW, I BELIEVE that you can reference an Access MDA from any of the other
office applications - Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and of course, Access.
However you cannot reference modules inside of a workbook from word,
PowerPoint etc, nor can you reference code inside of word documents from
inside of Excel, PowerPoint etc.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db

A number of years ago when I first started running Access queries from
inside Excel I found that I was unable to run queries with functions in the
database for criteria. I was told this was a limitation of VBA (I was using
office 97). Ever since then I have gotten around this by using sub queries
which get the criteria from a table, ie a pure sql solution. This thread has
me wondering if it is possible to use Access functions within queries
executed from within Excel by using different referencing?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Lonnie,

    Two alternatives are available as follows, for viewing / printing
reports & forms belonging to external db:

    (a) Library reference to external db:
    (i) In local db, set up library reference named "External" to the
external db and then call subroutines & functions belonging to external db
by using the qualifier "External." 
    (ii) In the code modules of external db, care is to be taken to use
CodeDb & CodeProject in lieu of CurrentDb & CurrentProject respectively,
wherever occurring.
    (iii) Automatic setting up of correct reference to external db can be
ensured programmatically, through code in start-up form of local db.

    (b) Access automation:
    Activate the external db via automation and toggle respective
visibilities of local & external db's appropriately, for user convenience.

    Two of my sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you:
    (a) ExternalDbAsLibraryRef
    (b) ExternalDbAutomation

    Both samples are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers
library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 17 03:03:26 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:03:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] XML changes coming,
	XML 4.0 to be kill bitted in	Oct 2007 but just in IE
Message-ID: <s6249b7b.011@cactus.dk>

Thanks Marty, very useful.

I've wondered several times what all these versions were for and which one to use. And recently I noticed 5.0 on my machine which I now understand origins from an Office install.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 16-04-2007 21:03 >>>
Just a heads up. You may want to upgrade to XML 6.0 in the future
even just for the security fixes, never mind the new WSC XML standards
introduced.

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October 2007.

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-bit-ed.aspx 

MSXML6 is included in Vista by default and MSXML 6.0 SP 1 is available for
download for supported downlevel platforms from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d21c292c-368b-4ce1-9dab-3e9827b70604&displaylang=en 

MSXML 6.0 will be the means whereby support for new versions
of XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 make their way into the Visual Studio and
Microsoft programming language environments, along with the brand new 
XQuery 1.0.

However one thing to check, MSXML 6.0 has removed support for XDR schemas
but not XSD schemas.

MSXML 4.0 will still be available via programming references

* MSXML 3.0 has shipped with every supported Windows OS,
so Microsoft professes to be "committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and
stable but won't be adding any functional improvements."

* MSXML 4.0 will be killed off some time between October and December of 
2007,
via a "kill bit" that applies only to Internet Explorer. The upshot of 
this change is that
applications will no longer be able to create MSXML4 objects in that 
browser.
Applications based on programming languages, such as C++, are not aware 
of this kill bit
and will continue to work with MSXML4. For a list of changes introduced 
from MSXML4 and
MSXML6, plus migration topics, see the blog entry entitled "Upgrading to 
MSXML 6.0."

MS are going to push out an IE specific kill-bit for MSXML4 in October. 
More information here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xmlteam/archive/2007/03/12/msxml4-is-going-to-be-kill-bit-ed.aspx 

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms753751.aspx 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms764692.aspx 


MS Notes.

MSXML6 - Should be your first choice. This is the MSXML
version that will be carried forward. MSXML6 shipped with Vista and we 
are working
on getting this in downlevel OS Service Packs

MSXML3 * This has the advantage of having shipped with every supported OS .
We are committed to keeping MSXML3 robust and stable but
won't be adding any functional improvements.

MSXML4 - This is in maintenance mode with a very high bar for fixes 
approaching End of Life.

MSXML 5 * Exclusively meant for Office. Do not take any dependencies on it.


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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Tue Apr 17 09:26:47 2007
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:26:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7807d$f1db7ff0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant>
	<019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005>
	<46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
	<001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
	<29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01c7807d$f1db7ff0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <4624A0E6.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>

Well, I thank you all. I am going to look into both of these solutions, and see which one is for me...it'll be the one I have lease trouble with ;o)

I'll post again to let you know how it turns out.

John W. Clark


>>> "Bobby Heid" <bheid at sc.rr.com> 4/16/2007 7:21 PM >>>
I agree it would be simpler, but I have tried to get away from dlookup and
the like because it opens another connection to the database.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

I think a DLookup is simpler:

Me.Control = Dlookup("Rate", "MyTable").

hth,
Arthur

On 4/16/07, Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up
> of
> the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the
> user
> to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text
> field,
> then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.
>
>
> 'load the data
> dim mdRate as double
> dim rs as recordset
> dim db as database
> dim strSQL as string
>
> strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
> set db=currentdb()
> set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
> mdRate=rs(0)
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> db.close
> set db=nothing
>
>
>
> 'And use it like:
> [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate
>
>
> Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>
> Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There
> are
> a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased
> w/it.
> The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the
> mileage
> rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter
> this
> rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
> This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
> times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in
> a
> bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so
> the
> allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
> amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may
> change
> it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
> question will be relevant for that too.
>
> I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
> rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
> form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they
> are
> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do
> I
> reference this record?
>
> Example:
>
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
> Make sense? I hope!
>
> John W. Clark
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 17 10:08:48 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:08:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <4624A0E6.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000b01c77e10$e0bfc830$6501a8c0@nant><019d01c77e21$b5a4b780$0201a8c0@HAL9005><46238BDD.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com><001201c7805b$8ee26750$2c01a8c0@bhxp><29f585dd0704161517s6e490c16u9ba085a7e6e19107@mail.gmail.com><000f01c7807d$f1db7ff0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
	<4624A0E6.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c78102$4cf9b760$0200a8c0@danwaters>

John,

It looks like your rate information won't change often.  You could copy the
table from the BE to the FE when the FE opens, and then use DLookup without
creating a new connection.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

Well, I thank you all. I am going to look into both of these solutions, and
see which one is for me...it'll be the one I have lease trouble with ;o)

I'll post again to let you know how it turns out.

John W. Clark


>>> "Bobby Heid" <bheid at sc.rr.com> 4/16/2007 7:21 PM >>>
I agree it would be simpler, but I have tried to get away from dlookup and
the like because it opens another connection to the database.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table

I think a DLookup is simpler:

Me.Control = Dlookup("Rate", "MyTable").

hth,
Arthur

On 4/16/07, Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I'd probably load the rate value from the table via code at the start-up
> of
> the form that uses it and put it in a module-level variable.  Allow the
> user
> to change the rate by loading the value from the database into a text
> field,
> then let the user change it, then update the database with the new value.
>
>
> 'load the data
> dim mdRate as double
> dim rs as recordset
> dim db as database
> dim strSQL as string
>
> strSQL="SELECT Rate from RateTable;"
> set db=currentdb()
> set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)
> mdRate=rs(0)
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> db.close
> set db=nothing
>
>
>
> 'And use it like:
> [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * mdRate
>
>
> Note that this is air code, but it should get you started.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>
> Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. There
> are
> a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are very pleased
> w/it.
> The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure out how to change the
> mileage
> rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. So, I have had to go in and alter
> this
> rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
> This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last couple of
> times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had already keyed in
> a
> bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at the time of entry, so
> the
> allowances were off, and I had to run a quick update query to fix the old
> amounts. This is one of the things I would do differently, and I may
> change
> it to compare the date w/a table of dates and rates, but this immediate
> question will be relevant for that too.
>
> I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to hold the
> rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a pop-up type
> form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. buttons, so they
> are
> stuck on the one record only. But...finally, we're at my question...how do
> I
> reference this record?
>
> Example:
>
> Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
> Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
> Make sense? I hope!
>
> John W. Clark
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 17 10:33:01 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:33:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1286.1176822544.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.1286.1176822544.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704171535.l3HFZj39029645@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

I would do a table with the effective date range for the mileage rate.
You do a quick select for the date of the entry to see where it falls
in the range and get the rate for it.  Now, it is fixed forever, and
you also have the history of the rate. It is a good fix, and not just
a Band-Aid.

Robert


At 10:09 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:44:49 -0400
>From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting info from a single record table
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <46238BDD.167F.006B.0 at niagaracounty.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Years ago, I created a small program to track mileage of workers. 
>There are a bunch of things I'd have done differently, but they are 
>very pleased w/it. The bad thing though is that I couldn't figure 
>out how to change the mileage rate, on the fly, so I hard coded it. 
>So, I have had to go in and alter this rate, every quarter, if it changes.
>
>This wasn't too awfully bad, but they didn't notify me, the last 
>couple of times, until we were well into the quarter, and they had 
>already keyed in a bunch of the entries.  The calculation is done at 
>the time of entry, so the allowances were off, and I had to run a 
>quick update query to fix the old amounts. This is one of the things 
>I would do differently, and I may change it to compare the date w/a 
>table of dates and rates, but this immediate question will be 
>relevant for that too.
>
>I would like to, for now at least, install a one-record table, to 
>hold the rate in it. I would have a very small form...basically a 
>pop-up type form...that would hold the rate. There would be no nav. 
>buttons, so they are stuck on the one record only. But...finally, 
>we're at my question...how do I reference this record?
>
>Example:
>
>Currently: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * .485
>
>Would like: [AmtOwed] = [Miles] * [tblMileageRate]![CurRate]
>
>Make sense? I hope!
>
>John W. Clark




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Apr 17 10:52:10 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:52:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C20606EB3F@xlivmbx35.aig.com>

Lonnie,

Rather than get involved in adding references dynamically (can you even do
that in an MDE file?) I would still go down the 'set a reference to the
other database' route. 

With luck you will get away with setting references to *all* the other
databases in the one central app. that fires off the reports. In each of the
other apps. Define a public function, each with a prefix unique to the
database it resides in (to avoid duplicate definition issues), and the
function will take a string parameter which will be the name of the report.
Then your central app. can call the function and produce the report. The
down side of all those references is that you may get conflicts with code
routines having the same name. As long as all the references are at the
bottom of the pile you should get away with it.

If that's a no-go, then another alternative is open to you. As they seem to
have accepted the notion of selecting the "other" database and a report in
it before clicking the magic button, why not just spawn the other database,
passing in the name of the report to run? 

You can do this with the /cmd command line switch, and you could use the /x
switch to run a macro which in turn calls a function that produces the
report and then exits the spawned database.

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Thanks. I guess I should have been more revealing. 

I have been asked to create a process by which the user can type in a
database path and name into one field and a report name in another field,
click a button and that report opens. So I will be adding references to the
main database dynamically and through code and retrieving the report. It
sounds like a pain but it's what they want. They are bent on certain
conveniences like not having to open another database.

Does that help?
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:23:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Alright, Lonnie.
I think the simplest method would be to create a public function in the
referenced database that tells the report to open. Then it doesn't matter
where you call it from, it just pops up.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lonnie Johnson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Thanks for the tip. I have set a reference but do "see it" as you say. I
may need a little more hand holding. Never had to do this before.
   
  May God bless you beyond your imagination!
  Lonnie Johnson
  ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




   



  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:23:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


  Hi Lonnie,

  Set a ref to that mdb and you should be able to 'see' it to call it.

  Michael R. Mattys
  MapPoint & Access Dev
  www.mattysconsulting.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lonnie Johnson 
    To: AccessD solving&#39; 
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:14 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


    Can you open a report in one database from another database? 
     
    I know how to get the data from a query or table in another database
with...
     
    "SELECT * FROM TABLE/QUERYMAME IN 'C:\MYDB.MDB'"
     
    Any help?
     
    May God bless you beyond your imagination!
    Lonnie Johnson
    ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
    Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




     



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Apr 17 10:58:28 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:58:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open report from remote db
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB0D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

My experience certainly seems to bear out what you say, thanks
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Jim,

The issue it appears is one of scope.  Queries running in an access
environment can see code inside of that container.  It cannot see functions
inside of the excel spreadsheet.  To my knowledge, while you can reference
the Excel libraries, you cannot reference code modules inside of
spreadsheets or workbooks (from within Access), nor code inside of documents
(word, from inside of Access).  That makes Access unique within office as a
container that can contain referencable code.  

IOW, I BELIEVE that you can reference an Access MDA from any of the other
office applications - Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and of course, Access.
However you cannot reference modules inside of a workbook from word,
PowerPoint etc, nor can you reference code inside of word documents from
inside of Excel, PowerPoint etc.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db

A number of years ago when I first started running Access queries from
inside Excel I found that I was unable to run queries with functions in the
database for criteria. I was told this was a limitation of VBA (I was using
office 97). Ever since then I have gotten around this by using sub queries
which get the criteria from a table, ie a pure sql solution. This thread has
me wondering if it is possible to use Access functions within queries
executed from within Excel by using different referencing? Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open report from remote db


Lonnie,

    Two alternatives are available as follows, for viewing / printing
reports & forms belonging to external db:

    (a) Library reference to external db:
    (i) In local db, set up library reference named "External" to the
external db and then call subroutines & functions belonging to external db
by using the qualifier "External." 
    (ii) In the code modules of external db, care is to be taken to use
CodeDb & CodeProject in lieu of CurrentDb & CurrentProject respectively,
wherever occurring.
    (iii) Automatic setting up of correct reference to external db can be
ensured programmatically, through code in start-up form of local db.

    (b) Access automation:
    Activate the external db via automation and toggle respective
visibilities of local & external db's appropriately, for user convenience.

    Two of my sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you:
    (a) ExternalDbAsLibraryRef
    (b) ExternalDbAutomation

    Both samples are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers
library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 14:18:16 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:18:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n
Message-ID: <b874372a0704171218mff39b78sfcda3de3c5eea0bf@mail.gmail.com>

I know how to do this in Sql Server, but have been thinking it over on how
to do this via the QBE grid in Access...


The situation is there is a list like so

Bob  100
Bob  090
Bob  050
Bob  010
Bill   250
Bill   100
Bill   070
Bill   050
Jim   etc...


What is required, is that they want to be able to obtain the top 3 records
for each customer ie, Top 3 records sorted in descending order by the qty.

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From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Tue Apr 17 14:37:07 2007
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:37:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms
Message-ID: <013301c78127$c8d1d190$6501a8c0@TBIG1>

Has anyone found a viable way to display thumbnails for linked (external)
images in a continous form in Access 2003?
 
TIA,
 
Myke
The Better Information Group



From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 16:09:40 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:09:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
Message-ID: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello:

Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?
I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form
view using a button

thanks in advance

Billy

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"Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
Italian proverb


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 17:18:03 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:18:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009901c7813e$4485e6d0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

I just had to do this.  OK, it's not exactly what you're looking for but
it's a work-around, yes?  You make the form a sub form and change the source
object.  I have two subforms - one's a continuous form, one's a datasheet
form. 

This is the code behind a command button on the main form to toggle the
sub-form.  

    If Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail" Then
        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetailDatasheet"
    Else
        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail"
    End If
    Me.subfrmPODetail.Requery

HTH

Rocky
 




 	
	

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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA

Hello:

Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?
I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form
view using a button

thanks in advance

Billy

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 17 17:32:27 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:32:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46254AFB.19017.822807B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Apr 2007 at 14:09, Billy Pang wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?
> I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form
> view using a button

Easy enough to go from Form View to Datasheet view with a button which 
invokes DoCmd.DoMenuItem..... 

Trouble is that the button is not visible in Datasheet view so the user 
can't change back.  

-- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr 17 17:36:40 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:36:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46254BF8.31804.8265B8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

<quot>
Easy enough to go from Form View to Datasheet view with a button which 
invokes DoCmd.DoMenuItem..... 
</quote>

But it's better to use DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDatasheetView

:-)


-- 
Stuart




From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 19:35:33 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:35:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <009901c7813e$4485e6d0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
	<009901c7813e$4485e6d0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704171735q745035a3nb9ce195a7c36d095@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Rocky.

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I just had to do this.  OK, it's not exactly what you're looking for but
> it's a work-around, yes?  You make the form a sub form and change the
> source
> object.  I have two subforms - one's a continuous form, one's a datasheet
> form.
>
> This is the code behind a command button on the main form to toggle the
> sub-form.
>
>    If Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail" Then
>        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetailDatasheet"
>    Else
>        Me.subfrmPODetail.SourceObject = "subfrmPODetail"
>    End If
>    Me.subfrmPODetail.Requery
>
> HTH
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy Pang
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
>
> Hello:
>
> Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using
> VBA?
> I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the
> form
> view using a button
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Billy
>
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> http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
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> Italian proverb
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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 19:37:52 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:37:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <46254BF8.31804.8265B8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
	<46254BF8.31804.8265B8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704171737y336b64d7we2a462b39df6625f@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Stuart. however, when i run docmd.runcommand accmddatasheetview opens
up the current form selected from the database window, which may or may not
be the target form.

On 4/17/07, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
> <quot>
> Easy enough to go from Form View to Datasheet view with a button which
> invokes DoCmd.DoMenuItem.....
> </quote>
>
> But it's better to use DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDatasheetView
>
> :-)
>
>
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>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 19:47:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:47:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WinZip Courier
Message-ID: <00d601c78153$2ad4db50$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

OT but hopefully useful information:
 
Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier
(http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email attachment
size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and then notify
recipients where they can download the files.  It works.  Pretty cool.  I
had an occasion last week to need a back end from a client.  It was 100MB+
and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would have solved the problem.
 
Rocky
 



 	
	


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 17 22:44:38 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:44:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <44ef7a350704171947j7f2f126aif484a51ea2c6f6f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011601c7816b$e4232220$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.  
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From adtp at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 17 23:56:34 2007
From: adtp at hotmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:26:34 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms
References: <013301c78127$c8d1d190$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV136D63D653C4098BD2819BCE500@phx.gbl>

Myke,

    Apparently, you wish to display externally stored images via image control (avoiding OLE field, to prevent bloat).

    My sample db named ImageManager might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.


    This sample db uses image control, assigning relevant file paths to its picture property. User can browse & select the image files in target folder and their paths get stored programmatically in access table.

    Apart from covering display of images via slide shows (manual advance or automatic advance as desired), the sample also demonstrates display of images in thumbnail view, in continuous form style (it is a simulated continuous form).

    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Myke Myers 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 01:07
  Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms


  Has anyone found a viable way to display thumbnails for linked (external) images in a continous form in Access 2003?
   
  TIA,
   
  Myke
  The Better Information Group

From adtp at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 18 01:21:25 2007
From: adtp at hotmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:51:25 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY139-DAV16E70CF0A6883BEFA5F9AFCE500@phx.gbl>

Billy,

    Sample public subroutine named P_ToggleView(), in form's module, as given below, should enable you to toggle the view between datasheet & normal form as desired. 

    You can call this routine from double click event of various controls. Whenever the user dbl-clicks any of the controls (in form view) or any of the columns (in datasheet view), the existing view will change-over to the other one.

    If you wish to toggle the view of target form (named F_Test) by clicking a button on another form (named F_Test_02), the routine in module of form F_Test can be called via click event of command button on form F_Test_02. While doing so, care is to be taken to first select form F_Test as shown in the sample code below, for module of form F_Test_02.

    Note - When toggling views, it is often desirable to simultaneously take care of column widths (in datasheet view) and settings for scroll bars & dividing lines, as shown in the sample code below.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

Code module of form F_Test
(ID, SDate, Product & Qty are 
 names of controls on the form)
=================================
Public Sub P_ToggleView()
    ' Toggles between Form & Datasheet views
    
    ' Check current view and change accordingly
    ' Value of 2 stands for Datasheet view
    If Me.CurrentView = 2 Then
        ' Change to Form view
        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFormView
        
        ' Remove scroll bars & dividing lines
        Me.ScrollBars = 0      ' Neither
        Me.DividingLines = False
    Else
        ' Change to Datasheet view
        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDatasheetView
        
        ' Adjust column widths in datasheet view
        ID.ColumnWidth = 1500               ' (A)
        SDate.ColumnWidth = 2000          ' (B)
        Product.ColumnWidth = 3000       ' (C)
        Qty.ColumnWidth = 1550             ' (D)
        
        ' Restore scroll bars & dividing lines
        Me.ScrollBars = 3     ' Both
        Me.DividingLines = True
    End If
End Sub
=================================

Code module of form F_Test_02
=================================
Private Sub CmdToggleView_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, "F_Test", False
    Forms("F_Test").P_ToggleView
End Sub
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Billy Pang 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 02:39
  Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA


  Hello:

  Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?

  I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form view using a button

  thanks in advance

  Billy


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 18 03:07:27 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:07:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
Message-ID: <s625ee04.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Billy

I think I would move the form into a subform, then you can have your button to control the view on the main form.

/gustav

>>> tuxedoman888 at gmail.com 17-04-2007 23:09 >>>
Hello:

Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using VBA?
I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the form view using a button

thanks in advance

Billy




From pcs at azizaz.com  Wed Apr 18 09:29:39 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Hansen, Professional Computer Systems)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:29:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Assistance Required - Web Development
Message-ID: <038701c781c6$001e4540$fa10a8c0@Albatross>

Hi,

I don't know if this is breaching netiquette - if so I ask to be excused...

Any one interested, please take contact directly.

I am in need of assistance with the development of a web interface for the following features:
- Secure Login 
- Update of Personal Details
- Event Registration including Payment (Credit Card) over secure line
with Read and Write to SQL Server 2005

Background:
Event Management System 
Access 2003
In production since 1993 - in Access since 1999

Currently the Backend is being upsized to SQL Server2005 


Regards
borge
pcs at azizaz.com



From bheid at sc.rr.com  Wed Apr 18 09:31:31 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:31:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <011601c7816b$e4232220$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <44ef7a350704171947j7f2f126aif484a51ea2c6f6f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<011601c7816b$e4232220$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001d01c781c6$432626f0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.  
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Apr 18 09:57:28 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:57:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Best / Safest method of connecting to a dbase IV table
	via Access XP
In-Reply-To: <038701c781c6$001e4540$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
References: <038701c781c6$001e4540$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
Message-ID: <036501c781c9$e3103bd0$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Folks:

(Using Access XP/2002 Runtime)
I have a project that will require me to connect to a dbase table
periodically to scan for changes / additions. 

Since I will never write to this table, I'm wondering what is the
best/safest technique to use when reading the table? I can link to the table
fine via the native linked tables method in Access.

I'm primarily concerned with not messing up the dbase table!

Thanks in advance.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 18 10:05:03 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:05:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <001d01c781c6$432626f0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <002301c781ca$f1d60360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 18 10:40:11 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:40:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <002301c781ca$f1d60360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JGP00E9P9ZM4X20@l-daemon>

Hi Rocky:

If you want to send any file, using a similar method and it is still free
check out http://sendspace.com

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Wed Apr 18 11:09:10 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <002301c781ca$f1d60360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <001d01c781c6$432626f0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
	<002301c781ca$f1d60360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003901c781d3$e6e1f8c0$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

Thanks Rocky.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 18 11:41:21 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:41:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <0JGP00E9P9ZM4X20@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <004201c781d8$660d86b0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Service looks pretty much identical to WinZip's.  But I never heard of them.
They been around long? 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Hi Rocky:

If you want to send any file, using a similar method and it is still free
check out http://sendspace.com

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
_______________________________________________
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dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com
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From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 18 13:01:38 2007
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV136D63D653C4098BD2819BCE500@phx.gbl>
References: <013301c78127$c8d1d190$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
	<BAY139-DAV136D63D653C4098BD2819BCE500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <014401c781e3$a628a7b0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>

A.D.:

Thanks for the example. I think I can adapt it to my app.

If I understand your simulated continuous form design, I would need 10
identical subforms with different names if I wanted to display 10 records
per page. Is that correct?

Thanks,

Myke

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: ADT
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms

Myke,

    Apparently, you wish to display externally stored images via image
control (avoiding OLE field, to prevent bloat).

    My sample db named ImageManager might be of interest to you. It is
available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.


    This sample db uses image control, assigning relevant file paths to its
picture property. User can browse & select the image files in target folder
and their paths get stored programmatically in access table.

    Apart from covering display of images via slide shows (manual advance or
automatic advance as desired), the sample also demonstrates display of
images in thumbnail view, in continuous form style (it is a simulated
continuous form).

    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Myke Myers
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 01:07
  Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms


  Has anyone found a viable way to display thumbnails for linked (external)
images in a continous form in Access 2003?
   
  TIA,
   
  Myke
  The Better Information Group
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 18 13:28:39 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:28:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <004201c781d8$660d86b0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0JGP00EHNHSDYU00@l-daemon>

Hi Rocky:

I have not idea. It was one the daughters' discoveries... they know all the
latest technologies and try to keep their Dad current. I would have also
suggested YouSendIt (http://www.yousendit.com) but similar to the WinZip
version it is time sensitive.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Service looks pretty much identical to WinZip's.  But I never heard of them.
They been around long? 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Hi Rocky:

If you want to send any file, using a similar method and it is still free
check out http://sendspace.com

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
_______________________________________________
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 18 14:09:54 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier
In-Reply-To: <0JGP00EHNHSDYU00@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <006101c781ed$26073fb0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Yousendit is the engine behind the WinZip Courier service.

R
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Hi Rocky:

I have not idea. It was one the daughters' discoveries... they know all the
latest technologies and try to keep their Dad current. I would have also
suggested YouSendIt (http://www.yousendit.com) but similar to the WinZip
version it is time sensitive.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Service looks pretty much identical to WinZip's.  But I never heard of them.
They been around long? 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Hi Rocky:

If you want to send any file, using a similar method and it is still free
check out http://sendspace.com

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

There's a monthly charge after your 45 day trial.  Bt there's a Courier
Light version which is free but won't handle as big an upload.  IIRC, the
light version would be adequate for most of my purposes.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I got an email from WinZip about this.  How much does it cost?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:45 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

I sent 3 MP3s to the band which I had transposed they keys on and copied
myself.  I got an email with links to the files.  Worked real slick.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:47 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] WinZip Courier

Rocky,

So it's an FTP service of sorts.  If it isn't an FTP download, then it could
be useful indeed.  At Printron, for example, I cannot connect via FTP to any
site because of security and proxies.

Steve Erbach

On 4/17/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> OT but hopefully useful information:
>
> Just tried a new service from WinZip called WinZip Courier 
> (http://www.winzip.com/wzcourier.htm).  It gets around the email 
> attachment size limitation by allowing you to upload large files and 
> then notify recipients where they can download the files.  It works.
> Pretty cool.  I had an occasion last week to need a back end from a 
> client.  It was 100MB+ and they had no clue how to FTP.  This would 
> have
solved the problem.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr 18 14:53:11 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:53:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Assistance Required - Web Development
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1176915602.3932.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1176915602.3932.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704181958.l3IJwV5x027680@databaseadvisors.com>

Borge,

I might be interested in helping you with this.
I think i already have everything in place but
the credit card portion of it. And that really
depends on the API for the service you plan on
using.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/18/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:29:39 +1000
>From: "Borge Hansen, Professional Computer Systems" <pcs at azizaz.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Assistance Required - Web Development
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <038701c781c6$001e4540$fa10a8c0 at Albatross>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hi,
>
>I don't know if this is breaching netiquette - if so I ask to be excused...
>
>Any one interested, please take contact directly.
>
>I am in need of assistance with the development of a web interface 
>for the following features:
>- Secure Login
>- Update of Personal Details
>- Event Registration including Payment (Credit Card) over secure line
>with Read and Write to SQL Server 2005
>
>Background:
>Event Management System
>Access 2003
>In production since 1993 - in Access since 1999
>
>Currently the Backend is being upsized to SQL Server2005
>
>
>Regards
>borge
>pcs at azizaz.com




From jengross at gte.net  Wed Apr 18 15:47:25 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:47:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K --> SQL 2005 - Licensing
Message-ID: <017701c781fa$cc78bba0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi All,

If I link from A2K to SQL 2005, but the table is not open/active within
the Access database, am I still eating up one of the SQL Server
licenses?  Or, is it only when the user engages in a process that is
actively using that SQL table that we are then considered using one of
our SQL seats?

We currently have a 20 user license for SQL Server and approximately 35
users of our Access database.  I would like to tap into the SQL database
for some information.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Jennifer Gross
databasics
2839 Shirley Drive
Newbury Park, CA 91320-3068
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 




From askolits at ot.com  Wed Apr 18 17:11:04 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:11:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] My nemesis - ODBC Connections
In-Reply-To: <017701c781fa$cc78bba0$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <013801c78206$74dc0760$6501a8c0@LaptopXP>

I've been having ODBC issues with SqlServer for, what seems to be, forever.
On different servers, different PCs, different OS. This week has been
particularly bad. It could have something to do with some updates my
customer is putting on his server, but even so, it's an issue that had
bugged me for years. Maybe someone can shed some light on this.

Access 2K and SQLServer 2000:

What seems to happen is when I develop an app on my PC and relink to
SQLServer using Accces, my app works fine. When I give it to others,
sometimes the app works and sometime it gives me an ODBC error. Usually
after the error, it comes up with the SQL Server login box and the after
entering login info. It's fine. If they restart, same issue. But it's very
inconsistent. I can then go back and relink again on my PC and give it to
them again. Sometimes that actually fixes it, yet I didn't do anything
different than I did before.

I initially link using a DSN Filename, but after linking my guess is the DSN
file is no longer used since I can usually install the app on a new PC
without putting the DSN on their PC. When I look at the linked table's
properties it shows the connection string without the DSN name. Which makes
sense since it's not using the DSN for a connection, but the imbedded string
instead. 

Does all this make sense. Can someone explain what's going on? Why I'm
having all these problems? Is there a fix?? Help!!!!

John Skolits





From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Apr 18 23:14:01 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:44:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms
References: <013301c78127$c8d1d190$6501a8c0@TBIG1><BAY139-DAV136D63D653C4098
	BD2819BCE500@phx.gbl> <014401c781e3$a628a7b0$6501a8c0@TBIG1>
Message-ID: <00cf01c7823a$eac6f550$3f57a27a@pcadt>

    Yes Myke!  Your presumption is correct.

A.D.Tejpal
---------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Myke Myers 
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  Cc: 'ADT' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 23:31
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms


  A.D.:

  Thanks for the example. I think I can adapt it to my app.

  If I understand your simulated continuous form design, I would need 10 identical subforms with different names if I wanted to display 10 records per page. Is that correct?

  Thanks,

  Myke

  -----Original Message-----
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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:57 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: ADT
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms

  Myke,

      Apparently, you wish to display externally stored images via image
  control (avoiding OLE field, to prevent bloat).

      My sample db named ImageManager might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link -
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.


      This sample db uses image control, assigning relevant file paths to its picture property. User can browse & select the image files in target folder and their paths get stored programmatically in access table.

      Apart from covering display of images via slide shows (manual advance or automatic advance as desired), the sample also demonstrates display of images in thumbnail view, in continuous form style (it is a simulated continuous form).

      You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.
   
  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ---------------

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Myke Myers
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 01:07
    Subject: [AccessD] Image Thumbnails in Continuous Forms

    Has anyone found a viable way to display thumbnails for linked (external) images in a continous form in Access 2003?
     
    TIA,
     
    Myke
    The Better Information Group

From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Apr 19 05:49:38 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:49:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
Message-ID: <200704191035.l3JAZQx15157@smarthost.yourcomms.net>

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record). 

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr 19 07:40:43 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:40:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
In-Reply-To: <200704191035.l3JAZQx15157@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
Message-ID: <001001c7827f$f24823e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2?  What's the
row source for Combo2?  Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular look,
even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2 is
cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say to the
current record). 

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all you
active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Apr 19 08:57:08 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:57:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
In-Reply-To: <001001c7827f$f24823e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <200704191035.l3JAZQx15157@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
	<001001c7827f$f24823e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200704191349.l3JDnsx07252@smarthost.yourcomms.net>

Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2?  What's
the
row source for Combo2?  Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look,
even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is
cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say to
the
current record). 

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you
active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 09:34:39 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:34:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
In-Reply-To: <001001c7827f$f24823e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F7916DA2292C246AA77742D2570@phx.gbl>

Is it because it is on a continuous form?


>From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:40:43 -0700
>
>In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2?  What's the
>row source for Combo2?  Does it include the value of Combo1?
>
>Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
>Richard
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
>
>Hi
>
>Access 97
>
>It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular look,
>even though I concentrate on .net these days.
>A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
>myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.
>
>Scenario.....timesheet screen...
>
>header record with continuous subform details.
>Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
>based on the value in combo 1.
>This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.
>
>The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2 is
>cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say to the
>current record).
>
>I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all you
>active MS Accessers..... any clues??
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>Richard Griffiths
>0161 253 5169
>Software Developer
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Apr 19 10:46:00 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:46:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
Message-ID: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field stored
by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is the 1st
column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you requery the combo
then most records on the subform find themselves trying to display something
which is no longer in the combo's recordset as it were. I'll be watching
with interest for good ideas.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the
row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look,
even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is
cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say to
the
current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you
active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Thu Apr 19 10:01:23 2007
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:01:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>

The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box.  Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz 


Liz Doering
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Apr 19 11:30:50 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:30:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
Message-ID: <20070419153055.BC15C4C71C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

And I guess you'd have to get the value to display by a Dlookup or
something, which might be pretty slow.
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 15:05


The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box. Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz


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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Apr 19 10:31:37 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:31:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
In-Reply-To: <1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
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Hi

Not sure if everyone's on the same track

Combo 1		Combo 2 (sub-activity)

A01				
B02
C03
D04

A01 has sub-activities SA01, SA02, SA03
B01 has sub-activities SB01, SB02, SB03
C01 has sub-activities SC01, SC02, SB03

Line 1 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03


Line 2 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03

All okay so far but.......

Line 3 in sub (continuous form) select B01...and

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
B01			 we want SB01, SB02, SB03 to show in combo 2
(which I think does work) but on line 1 and line 2 the second combo
(whilst actually
retaining the correct value behind the scenes now displays a blank combo
box value.  There is some logic here in that combo 2 has just been
re-queried
using the filter main code B01 (combo 1) on the current line - the
values in the combo 2 on lines 1 and 2 cannot now find/map correctly as
there record source is using B01 as the filter.




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com
Sent: 19 April 2007 16:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box.  Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz 


Liz Doering
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612.667.2447


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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 19 10:38:59 2007
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:38:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
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X-posted AccessD, VB

Hello All,

I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope
someone can help with.

Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.

Any short code snip will do.

TIA,

Jim DeMarco



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 19 10:53:58 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:53:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258BC1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

This is normal behavior in a continuous form with a combobox.  The way
I've always worked around it is to put a textbox behind the combobox and
make the backstyle of the combo transaparent.  Both controls are bound
to the same field, but when the record is not current, the value from
the textbox shows through.  When the combo gets the focus, the textbox
is automatically hidden.  Would that work for you?

Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Not sure if everyone's on the same track

Combo 1		Combo 2 (sub-activity)

A01				
B02
C03
D04

A01 has sub-activities SA01, SA02, SA03
B01 has sub-activities SB01, SB02, SB03
C01 has sub-activities SC01, SC02, SB03

Line 1 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03


Line 2 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03

All okay so far but.......

Line 3 in sub (continuous form) select B01...and

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
B01			 we want SB01, SB02, SB03 to show in combo 2
(which I think does work) but on line 1 and line 2 the second combo
(whilst actually retaining the correct value behind the scenes now
displays a blank combo box value.  There is some logic here in that
combo 2 has just been re-queried using the filter main code B01 (combo
1) on the current line - the values in the combo 2 on lines 1 and 2
cannot now find/map correctly as there record source is using B01 as the
filter.




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com
Sent: 19 April 2007 16:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box.  Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz 


Liz Doering
elizabeth.j.doering at wellsfargo.com
612.667.2447


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Apr 19 11:59:59 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:59:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd  combo on subform
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I'll give it a try, thanks to all

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 19 April 2007 16:54
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

This is normal behavior in a continuous form with a combobox.  The way
I've always worked around it is to put a textbox behind the combobox and
make the backstyle of the combo transaparent.  Both controls are bound
to the same field, but when the record is not current, the value from
the textbox shows through.  When the combo gets the focus, the textbox
is automatically hidden.  Would that work for you?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Not sure if everyone's on the same track

Combo 1		Combo 2 (sub-activity)

A01				
B02
C03
D04

A01 has sub-activities SA01, SA02, SA03
B01 has sub-activities SB01, SB02, SB03
C01 has sub-activities SC01, SC02, SB03

Line 1 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03


Line 2 in sub (continuous form) select...

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
A01			SA01, SA02, SA03

All okay so far but.......

Line 3 in sub (continuous form) select B01...and

Combo 1		Combo 2  now shows (list)
B01			 we want SB01, SB02, SB03 to show in combo 2
(which I think does work) but on line 1 and line 2 the second combo
(whilst actually retaining the correct value behind the scenes now
displays a blank combo box value.  There is some logic here in that
combo 2 has just been re-queried using the filter main code B01 (combo
1) on the current line - the values in the combo 2 on lines 1 and 2
cannot now find/map correctly as there record source is using B01 as the
filter.




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com
Sent: 19 April 2007 16:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

The only way I've ever hear of is to display the actual value in a text
box which is separate from the combo box.  Sometimes this can include
hiding most of the combo box most of the time.

Liz 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

I understand the issue Richard, but sad to say have never found a
satisfactory solution. If I understand you right it's when the field
stored by combo2 is not the one displayed, typically the bound column is
the 1st column with a zero width. Is that right? So as soon as you
requery the combo then most records on the subform find themselves
trying to display something which is no longer in the combo's recordset
as it were. I'll be watching with interest for good ideas.

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform
Date: 19/04/07 14:08


Yes combo 2 has a query source that references combo 1 e.g. combo 1 -
Activity Code... Combo 2 sub-Activity Code

When you select Activity code you want combo 2 to list all
sub-activities for that main activity code



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: 19 April 2007 13:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

In the After Update event of Combo1 are you requerying Combo2? What's
the row source for Combo2? Does it include the value of Combo1?

Rocky








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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re-query 2nd combo on subform

Hi

Access 97

It's been a long time since I've posted here - still take a regular
look, even though I concentrate on .net these days.
A combination of time without Access and lack of time to play around
myself..... but I have someone asking my advice.

Scenario.....timesheet screen...

header record with continuous subform details.
Two combo's on the subform....the second of which needs to be re-queried
based on the value in combo 1.
This is actioned on the after-update event of combo1.

The undesired result is that on previous records in the subform combo 2
is cleared out when combo 1 is re-queried (if the list id different say
to the current record).

I'm sure I've been here before......but can't get the solution...so all
you active MS Accessers..... any clues??

Thanks in advance


Richard Griffiths
0161 253 5169
Software Developer


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 11:59:21 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:59:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
	<200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>

I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net
I have XPath examples in VBA

Are you using XQuery or XPath?

 XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves 
the
role of node-set identification (selection)

XQuery example

Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT 
Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _

                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"


XPath example

    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
   Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")

Have a look at
SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2
By Alex Homer

http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>X-posted AccessD, VB
>
>Hello All,
>
>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope
>someone can help with.
>
>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>
>Any short code snip will do.
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>  
>

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 19 12:10:41 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:10:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table
Message-ID: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended as expected.

/gustav




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Apr 19 12:29:07 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table
In-Reply-To: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
References: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258BC8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Are you sure it shouldn't be adUseServer?

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL
table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB
provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are
appended as expected.

/gustav


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 12:47:30 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:47:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table
In-Reply-To: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
References: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4627AB32.70004@shaw.ca>

Could be cursor type or location.
Try running an ODBC trace log works for other DB's too.
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myodbc-configuration-trace.html
or look through here
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myodbc-connector.html

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
>Any ideas why?
>
>  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
>  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
>  
>  Dim lngRow  As Long
>   
>  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
>  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
>
>  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
>  cnn.Open
>  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient
>
>  With rst
>    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
>    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
>      .AddNew
>        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
>      .Update
>    Next
>    .Close
>  End With
>  
>  Set rst = Nothing
>  Set cnn = Nothing
>  
>End Function
>
>If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended as expected.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Apr 19 13:18:24 2007
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:18:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk><1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com><200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net><0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>

Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.

We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
betweent the two do you think?


Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6

I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
VBA

Are you using XQuery or XPath?

 XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
the role of node-set identification (selection)

XQuery example

Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _

                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"


XPath example

    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
   Set oNodeList =
oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")

Have a look at
SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer

http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>X-posted AccessD, VB
>
>Hello All,
>
>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope 
>someone can help with.
>
>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of 
>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the 
>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>
>Any short code snip will do.
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>  
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 14:35:31 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:35:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table
In-Reply-To: <s627bec1.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JGR00EXCFJO4TU1@l-daemon>

Hi Gustav:

I did not know there were OLE DB drivers for MySQL that would run through
Access... only ODBC drivers. There are a number of .Net examples but I do
not believe they are cross-compatible. This may not be the case as I was
working with such a configuration but it was about 4 or 5 years ago and
things should have progressed since then.

I have seen a configuration example... not tried. It shows "Provider=MySQL
Provider" code looking like "Provider=MySQLProv".

Below is a list of links to the latest software pieces:

1. MySQL - latest version from http://www.mysql.com/downloads
2. MySQLODBC (reqd for Access to MySQL) - http://www.mysql.com/downloads
3. MyOLEDB - http://www.mysql.com/downloads (should be MySQLProv.2.5)
4. WinMySQLAdmin - http://www.mysql.com/downloads
5. Access To MySQL -
http://www.mysql.com/downloads/win32/myaccess2000_1_4.zip
 
HTH

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider,
nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended
as expected.

/gustav


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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 17:50:52 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:50:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <s625ee04.042@cactus.dk>
References: <s625ee04.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704191550g2ee34130n25cd62ab02ef85ba@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Gustav.  I'll give this a shot.

On 4/18/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Billy
>
> I think I would move the form into a subform, then you can have your
> button to control the view on the main form.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> tuxedoman888 at gmail.com 17-04-2007 23:09 >>>
> Hello:
>
> Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using
> VBA?
> I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the
> form view using a button
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Billy
>
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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 17:51:41 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:51:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DAV16E70CF0A6883BEFA5F9AFCE500@phx.gbl>
References: <7c8826480704171409k15c32868k416604591952359a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY139-DAV16E70CF0A6883BEFA5F9AFCE500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704191551j4b7c4673ic61e5477b9738758@mail.gmail.com>

thanks A.D..  I'll give this a shot.

On 4/17/07, A.D.TEJPAL <adtp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Billy,
>
>    Sample public subroutine named P_ToggleView(), in form's module, as
> given below, should enable you to toggle the view between datasheet & normal
> form as desired.
>
>    You can call this routine from double click event of various controls.
> Whenever the user dbl-clicks any of the controls (in form view) or any of
> the columns (in datasheet view), the existing view will change-over to the
> other one.
>
>    If you wish to toggle the view of target form (named F_Test) by
> clicking a button on another form (named F_Test_02), the routine in module
> of form F_Test can be called via click event of command button on form
> F_Test_02. While doing so, care is to be taken to first select form F_Test
> as shown in the sample code below, for module of form F_Test_02.
>
>    Note - When toggling views, it is often desirable to simultaneously
> take care of column widths (in datasheet view) and settings for scroll bars
> & dividing lines, as shown in the sample code below.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ---------------
>
> Code module of form F_Test
> (ID, SDate, Product & Qty are
> names of controls on the form)
> =================================
> Public Sub P_ToggleView()
>    ' Toggles between Form & Datasheet views
>
>    ' Check current view and change accordingly
>    ' Value of 2 stands for Datasheet view
>    If Me.CurrentView = 2 Then
>        ' Change to Form view
>        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFormView
>
>        ' Remove scroll bars & dividing lines
>        Me.ScrollBars = 0      ' Neither
>        Me.DividingLines = False
>    Else
>        ' Change to Datasheet view
>        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDatasheetView
>
>        ' Adjust column widths in datasheet view
>        ID.ColumnWidth = 1500               ' (A)
>        SDate.ColumnWidth = 2000          ' (B)
>        Product.ColumnWidth = 3000       ' (C)
>        Qty.ColumnWidth = 1550             ' (D)
>
>        ' Restore scroll bars & dividing lines
>        Me.ScrollBars = 3     ' Both
>        Me.DividingLines = True
>    End If
> End Sub
> =================================
>
> Code module of form F_Test_02
> =================================
> Private Sub CmdToggleView_Click()
>    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, "F_Test", False
>    Forms("F_Test").P_ToggleView
> End Sub
> =================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Billy Pang
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 02:39
> Subject: [AccessD] how to change form default view via VBA
>
>
> Hello:
>
> Is it possible to change the default view of a form in MS Access using
> VBA?
>
> I would like to have the user toggle between the datasheet view and the
> form view using a button
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Billy
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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 17:59:41 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:59:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] My nemesis - ODBC Connections
In-Reply-To: <013801c78206$74dc0760$6501a8c0@LaptopXP>
References: <017701c781fa$cc78bba0$6501a8c0@jefferson>
	<013801c78206$74dc0760$6501a8c0@LaptopXP>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704191559t9352ff1s9d61d15bdb42cfd1@mail.gmail.com>

how often does the odbc error message come up?  what does the error message
say?  because login box pops up, if possible, i'd use profiler or server
side traces to monitor the logins and logouts.  if there is invalid login
attempts made by the application, maybe the connection info is being drop
upon reestablishing the db connection.


On 4/18/07, John Skolits <askolits at ot.com> wrote:
>
> I've been having ODBC issues with SqlServer for, what seems to be,
> forever.
> On different servers, different PCs, different OS. This week has been
> particularly bad. It could have something to do with some updates my
> customer is putting on his server, but even so, it's an issue that had
> bugged me for years. Maybe someone can shed some light on this.
>
> Access 2K and SQLServer 2000:
>
> What seems to happen is when I develop an app on my PC and relink to
> SQLServer using Accces, my app works fine. When I give it to others,
> sometimes the app works and sometime it gives me an ODBC error. Usually
> after the error, it comes up with the SQL Server login box and the after
> entering login info. It's fine. If they restart, same issue. But it's very
> inconsistent. I can then go back and relink again on my PC and give it to
> them again. Sometimes that actually fixes it, yet I didn't do anything
> different than I did before.
>
> I initially link using a DSN Filename, but after linking my guess is the
> DSN
> file is no longer used since I can usually install the app on a new PC
> without putting the DSN on their PC. When I look at the linked table's
> properties it shows the connection string without the DSN name. Which
> makes
> sense since it's not using the DSN for a connection, but the imbedded
> string
> instead.
>
> Does all this make sense. Can someone explain what's going on? Why I'm
> having all these problems? Is there a fix?? Help!!!!
>
> John Skolits
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 19:55:50 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:55:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
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As long as you are clear that XQuery now runs in SQL 2005 only.
Using XQuery to manage XML with SQL Server 2005,
you can create a table or a stored  XML document in an xml datatype
Maybe you can run from a Stored Procedure not sure.

Microsoft originally included XQuery in the .NET framework for use with
client-side XML processing. They have since removed it from the .NET 
framework
and kept XQuery native only to the SQL Server environment.
The reasons for this vary from being more secure to better performance 
by having
it at the SQL Server level. The .NET framework does still include XML 
client-side parsing
capability through the use of the Systems.XML namespace, however.
this namespace includes Xpath 2.0, a language for locating and extracting
parts of an XML document. XQuery can also use Xpath expressions.
Xpath 1.0, 2.0 is also available with XML 4.0 and XML 6.0 standalone parsers

I'll post a couple of  XPath VBA examples.

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>
>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
>betweent the two do you think?
>
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
>VBA
>
>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>
> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>
>XQuery example
>
>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>
>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"
>
>
>XPath example
>
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>   Set oNodeList =
>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>
>Have a look at
>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>
>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>
>
>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>  
>
>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope 
>>someone can help with.
>>
>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of 
>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the 
>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>
>>Any short code snip will do.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Jim DeMarco
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>--
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 19:59:22 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:59:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
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'criteria grab all books with price >20


Dim mcolRate As Collection
Sub testxmlinventory()
http://cairocafe.blogspot.com/2006/09/xpath-intro.html
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms256086.aspx
  Set mcolRate = New Collection

GrabXMLFile ("C:\Access files\xmlfiles\inventory.xml")

Debug.Print "mcol " & mcolRate(1)

End Sub
Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)

    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
    Dim Mydb As Database
    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
    Dim sTempValue As String
    Dim i As Long
    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40

    oDOMDocument.async = False
    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors
    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
 
    'use if xml disk file
      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
        MsgBox ("XML File error")
             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
        DOMParseError xPError
      
       End If
   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml

   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
  
  ' Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
 ' Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("/bookstore/book/price")
   Set oNodeList = 
oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("/bookstore/book[price>20]/price")
     Debug.Print "Length = " & oNodeList.length
   i = 0
    For Each oNode In oNodeList
    i = i + 1
       Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text & " " & oNode.nodeName & "*"
      
        Select Case oNode.nodeName
            Case "price"
             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
                On Error Resume Next
                sTempValue = oNode.nodeName & CStr(i)
                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " price " & oNode.Text
                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
           
        End Select
     
      Next
    Set oNodeList = Nothing
    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:

  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)

End Function

inventory.xml

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="myfile.xsl" ?>
<bookstore specialty="novel">
  <book style="autobiography">
    <author>
      <first-name>Joe</first-name>
      <last-name>Bob</last-name>
      <award>Trenton Literary Review Honorable Mention</award>
    </author>
    <price>12</price>
  </book>
  <book style="textbook">
    <author>
      <first-name>Mary</first-name>
      <last-name>Bob</last-name>
      <publication>Selected Short Stories of
        <first-name>Mary</first-name>
        <last-name>Bob</last-name>
      </publication>
    </author>
    <editor>
      <first-name>Britney</first-name>
      <last-name>Bob</last-name>
    </editor>
    <price>55</price>
  </book>
  <magazine style="glossy" frequency="monthly">
    <price>2.50</price>
    <subscription price="24" per="year"/>
  </magazine>
  <book style="novel" id="myfave">
    <author>
      <first-name>Toni</first-name>
      <last-name>Bob</last-name>
      <degree from="Trenton U">B.A.</degree>
      <degree from="Harvard">Ph.D.</degree>
      <award>Pulitzer</award>
      <publication>Still in Trenton</publication>
      <publication>Trenton Forever</publication>
    </author>
    <price intl="Canada" exchange="0.7">6.50</price>
    <excerpt>
      <p>It was a dark and stormy night.</p>
      <p>But then all nights in Trenton seem dark and
      stormy to someone who has gone through what
      <emph>I</emph> have.</p>
      <definition-list>
        <term>Trenton</term>
        <definition>misery</definition>
      </definition-list>
    </excerpt>
  </book>
  <my:book xmlns:my="uri:mynamespace" style="leather" price="29.50">
    <my:title>Who's Who in Trenton</my:title>
    <my:author>Robert Bob</my:author>
  </my:book>
</bookstore>

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>
>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
>betweent the two do you think?
>
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
>VBA
>
>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>
> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>
>XQuery example
>
>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>
>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"
>
>
>XPath example
>
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>   Set oNodeList =
>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>
>Have a look at
>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>
>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>
>
>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>  
>
>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope 
>>someone can help with.
>>
>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of 
>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the 
>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>
>>Any short code snip will do.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Jim DeMarco
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 19 20:02:34 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:02:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
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Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Dim mcolRate As Collection
Sub testxml()
  Set mcolRate = New Collection
'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
' via XPath

GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")

Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
End Sub
Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html

'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.

  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
    Dim Mydb As Database
    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
    Dim sTempValue As String
  
    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40

    oDOMDocument.async = False
    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors
    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
 
    'use if xml disk file
      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
        MsgBox ("XML File error")
             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
        DOMParseError xPError
      
       End If
   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml

   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
  
  ' Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
  Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
    
     Debug.Print oNodeList.length
  
    For Each oNode In oNodeList
 
      '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
      
        Select Case oNode.nodeName
            Case "currency"
                 sTempValue = oNode.Text
              
            Case "rate"
             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
                On Error Resume Next
                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
           
        End Select
     
      Next
    Set oNodeList = Nothing
    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:

  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)

End Function
Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)

    ' The document failed to load.
    Dim strErrText As String
    ' Obtain the ParseError object
    With xPE
    strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
        "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
        "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
        "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
        "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
        "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
        "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
        "Document URL: " & .url
    End With
    Debug.Print strErrText

  Dim s As String
  Dim r As String
  Dim i As Long
 
   s = ""
  For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
    s = s & " "
  Next
  r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
  Debug.Print r
    'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml file
  If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
    r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf & _
         xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
  End If
  Debug.Print r
    MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
End Sub


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>
>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
>betweent the two do you think?
>
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
>VBA
>
>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>
> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>
>XQuery example
>
>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>
>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"
>
>
>XPath example
>
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>   Set oNodeList =
>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>
>Have a look at
>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>
>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>
>
>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>  
>
>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope 
>>someone can help with.
>>
>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of 
>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the 
>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>
>>Any short code snip will do.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Jim DeMarco
>>    
>>
-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From viner at EUnet.yu  Fri Apr 20 01:42:21 2007
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:42:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
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	<4628112A.6080702@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <017901c78317$1fa6f3b0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Marty,
when will be your MVP announcement?
Regards,
    Ervin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6


> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Dim mcolRate As Collection
> Sub testxml()
>  Set mcolRate = New Collection
> 'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
> ' via XPath
>
> GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
>
> Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
> MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
> End Sub
> Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
>  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html
>
> 'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
> 'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.
>
>  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
>    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
>    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
>    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
>    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
>    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
>    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
>     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
>    Dim Mydb As Database
>    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
>    Dim sTempValue As String
>
>    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>
>    oDOMDocument.async = False
>    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors
>    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
>    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
>
>    'use if xml disk file
>      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
>        MsgBox ("XML File error")
>             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
>        DOMParseError xPError
>
>       End If
>   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml
>
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>
>  ' Set oNodeList = 
> oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
>  Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
>
>     Debug.Print oNodeList.length
>
>    For Each oNode In oNodeList
>
>      '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
>
>        Select Case oNode.nodeName
>            Case "currency"
>                 sTempValue = oNode.Text
>
>            Case "rate"
>             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
>                On Error Resume Next
>                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
>                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
>                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
>                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>
>        End Select
>
>      Next
>    Set oNodeList = Nothing
>    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
>    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
>    Exit Function
>
> ErrorHandler:
>
>  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)
>
> End Function
> Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)
>
>    ' The document failed to load.
>    Dim strErrText As String
>    ' Obtain the ParseError object
>    With xPE
>    strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
>        "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
>        "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
>        "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
>        "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
>        "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
>        "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
>        "Document URL: " & .url
>    End With
>    Debug.Print strErrText
>
>  Dim s As String
>  Dim r As String
>  Dim i As Long
>
>   s = ""
>  For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
>    s = s & " "
>  Next
>  r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
>  Debug.Print r
>    'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml file
>  If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
>    r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf & _
>         xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
>  End If
>  Debug.Print r
>    MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
> End Sub
>
>
> Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>>
>>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of differences
>>betweent the two do you think?
>>
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>>
>>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples in
>>VBA
>>
>>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>>
>> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it serves
>>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>>
>>XQuery example
>>
>>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>>
>>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID = @CustomerID"
>>
>>
>>XPath example
>>
>>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>>   Set oNodeList =
>>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>>
>>Have a look at
>>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>>
>>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>>
>>
>>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>>
>>>Hello All,
>>>
>>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I hope
>>>someone can help with.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
>>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
>>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>>
>>>Any short code snip will do.
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>Jim DeMarco
>>>
>>>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 20 05:14:30 2007
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:14:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Records From A Query
Message-ID: <18541384.2128831177064070874.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102>

To all,

Not quite sure how to put this but I have the following example result set from a query:
LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
ADDERRAYATKINSONJOHNCLEGG15/02/2007 10:30:14
ADDERRAYATKINSONANDREWNORRIDGE02/02/2007 12:01:29
ADDERRAYATKINSONIANNEWCOMBE05/12/2006 12:50:01
ADDERRAYATKINSONJIMMYWILSON30/09/2006 12:01:47
ADDERRAYATKINSONRICHARDMASKERY30/08/2006 12:53:11
ADDERRAYATKINSONBRIANTHOMAS23/07/2006 14:33:47
ADDERRAYATKINSONBRIANTHOMAS.12/05/2006 12:57:59
ALBANIATERRYJONESJOHNCLEGG20/09/2006 12:41:40
ALBANIATERRYJONESLYLEBARRAS20/09/2006 10:43:37
ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10

What I need to end up with is this:
Query1LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
ADDERRAYATKINSONJOHNCLEGG15/02/2007 10:30:14






ALBANIATERRYJONESJOHNCLEGG20/09/2006 12:41:40



i.e the maximum date....I am sure there has been a solution to this on here before, but I can seem to find it..

Thanks in advance for any help on this..

Paul Hartland


Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
07730 523179

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Apr 20 05:25:36 2007
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:25:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Values Again - Sorry about last email
Message-ID: <14636301.8571177064736316.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,

Not quite sure how to put this but I have the following example result set from a query:
LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
ADDER RAYATKINSON ANDREWNORRIDGE 02/02/2007 12:01:29
ADDER RAYATKINSON IANNEWCOMBE 05/12/2006 12:50:01
ADDER RAYATKINSON JIMMYWILSON 30/09/2006 12:01:47
ADDER RAYATKINSON RICHARDMASKERY 30/08/2006 12:53:11
ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 23/07/2006 14:33:47
ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 12/05/2006 12:57:59
ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40
ALBANIA TERRYJONES LYLEBARRAS 20/09/2006 10:43:37
ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10

What I need to end up with is this:

ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40



i.e the maximum date....I am sure there has been a solution to this on here before, but I can seem to find it..

Thanks in advance for any help on this..



Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
07730 523179

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr 20 05:22:32 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:22:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT InfoPath
References: <18541384.2128831177064070874.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869BD@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Anyone any experience with Infopath.
 
I have an InfoPath form connecting to SQL Server 2005. I have the form working as I want it in that it does the insert to the back end. 
 
I want to add a new section to the form that dosnt get inserted but does return data in response to a parameter entered into a text box on the form. I do however want one text box value from this group to be inserted with the rest of the form. The idea is that a member of staff will enter a student number into the text box and this will populate the section with the personal details on the student. I want to add the student number inot the Insert.
 
The second part of the form is a call logger. That bit is done.
 
I am not (for those with experience) using a web service for this. I do intend to move the conenction to an EndPoint SQL Server 2005 web service once i understand how they work properly.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 05:44:26 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:44:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n
Message-ID: <s628b5c6.099@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Did you ever get a solution to this?
If not, look the archive:

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2003-May/006636.html 

/gustav

>>> fhtapia at gmail.com 17-04-2007 21:18 >>>
I know how to do this in Sql Server, but have been thinking it over on how
to do this via the QBE grid in Access...


The situation is there is a list like so

Bob  100
Bob  090
Bob  050
Bob  010
Bill   250
Bill   100
Bill   070
Bill   050
Jim   etc...


What is required, is that they want to be able to obtain the top 3 records
for each customer ie, Top 3 records sorted in descending order by the qty.

Thanks guys

-- 
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 05:49:27 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:49:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Values Again - Sorry about last	email
Message-ID: <s628b6f2.000@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Look here for a method that you should be able to tweak:

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2006-May/043938.html 

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 20-04-2007 12:25 >>>
To all,

Not quite sure how to put this but I have the following example result set from a query:
LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
ADDER RAYATKINSON ANDREWNORRIDGE 02/02/2007 12:01:29
ADDER RAYATKINSON IANNEWCOMBE 05/12/2006 12:50:01
ADDER RAYATKINSON JIMMYWILSON 30/09/2006 12:01:47
ADDER RAYATKINSON RICHARDMASKERY 30/08/2006 12:53:11
ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 23/07/2006 14:33:47
ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 12/05/2006 12:57:59
ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40
ALBANIA TERRYJONES LYLEBARRAS 20/09/2006 10:43:37
ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10

What I need to end up with is this:

ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40



i.e the maximum date....I am sure there has been a solution to this on here before, but I can seem to find it..

Thanks in advance for any help on this..



Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at fsmail.net 
07730 523179





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 07:05:35 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:05:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
Message-ID: <s628c8cc.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Thanks! Great example.
Seems to work fine even with XML 3.0.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 20-04-2007 03:02 >>>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Dim mcolRate As Collection
Sub testxml()
  Set mcolRate = New Collection
'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
' via XPath

GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")

Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
End Sub
Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html

'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.

  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
    Dim Mydb As Database
    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
    Dim sTempValue As String
  
    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40

    oDOMDocument.async = False
    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors
    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
 
    'use if xml disk file
      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
        MsgBox ("XML File error")
             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
        DOMParseError xPError
      
       End If
   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml

   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
  
  ' Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
  Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
    
     Debug.Print oNodeList.length
  
    For Each oNode In oNodeList
 
      '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
      
        Select Case oNode.nodeName
            Case "currency"
                 sTempValue = oNode.Text
              
            Case "rate"
             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
                On Error Resume Next
                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
           
        End Select
     
      Next
    Set oNodeList = Nothing
    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:

  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)

End Function
Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)

    ' The document failed to load.
    Dim strErrText As String
    ' Obtain the ParseError object
    With xPE
    strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
        "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
        "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
        "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
        "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
        "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
        "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
        "Document URL: " & .url
    End With
    Debug.Print strErrText

  Dim s As String
  Dim r As String
  Dim i As Long
 
   s = ""
  For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
    s = s & " "
  Next
  r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
  Debug.Print r
    'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml file
  If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
    r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf & _
         xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
  End If
  Debug.Print r
    MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
End Sub





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 07:16:12 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:16:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to	MySQL table
Message-ID: <s628cb45.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

No, but if I do so, error 80040e23 is raised ... about a row that is deleted or is waiting to be deleted.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 19-04-2007 19:29 >>>
Are you sure it shouldn't be adUseServer?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL
table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB
provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are
appended as expected.

/gustav




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 20 08:14:18 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:14:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] System Won't Recognize .exe
Message-ID: <003301c7834d$cde55df0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List(s):
 
I sent a setup.exe file created by Wise to my distributor in Taiwan.  On her
system it does no seem to want to execute the file but gives her the dialog
box asking for the program to open this type of file.  It is treating the
exe file like a file without an association.  
 
Has anyone ever seen this and know what to do about it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 08:22:47 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:22:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to	MySQL table
Message-ID: <s628dae3.011@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Tried that, but no trace at all. The OLE DB provider seems to bypass the ODBC driver.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 19-04-2007 19:47 >>>
Could be cursor type or location.
Try running an ODBC trace log works for other DB's too.
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myodbc-configuration-trace.html 
or look through here
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myodbc-connector.html 

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider, nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
>Any ideas why?
>
>  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
>  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
>  
>  Dim lngRow  As Long
>   
>  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
>  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
>
>  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
>  cnn.Open
>  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient
>
>  With rst
>    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
>    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
>      .AddNew
>        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
>      .Update
>    Next
>    .Close
>  End With
>  
>  Set rst = Nothing
>  Set cnn = Nothing
>  
>End Function
>
>If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended as expected.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 09:02:57 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:02:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to	MySQL table
Message-ID: <s628e44c.013@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Sorry, I forgot to mention that this provider is non-MySQL stuff. It is for download here:

  http://luggle.com/~sean

I better address my question to the author ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-04-2007 21:35 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I did not know there were OLE DB drivers for MySQL that would run through
Access... only ODBC drivers. There are a number of .Net examples but I do
not believe they are cross-compatible. This may not be the case as I was
working with such a configuration but it was about 4 or 5 years ago and
things should have progressed since then.

I have seen a configuration example... not tried. It shows "Provider=MySQL
Provider" code looking like "Provider=MySQLProv".

Below is a list of links to the latest software pieces:

1. MySQL - latest version from http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
2. MySQLODBC (reqd for Access to MySQL) - http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
3. MyOLEDB - http://www.mysql.com/downloads (should be MySQLProv.2.5)
4. WinMySQLAdmin - http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
5. Access To MySQL -
http://www.mysql.com/downloads/win32/myaccess2000_1_4.zip 
 
HTH

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider,
nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended
as expected.

/gustav





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 09:48:44 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:48:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
Message-ID: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>

My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
"extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
programmed parser).
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Apr 20 10:05:49 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:05:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <001801c7835d$622fb780$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

To do this manually, you can right-click on the data area, then select
'Export to Excel' in the menu list.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page

My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
"extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
programmed parser).
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From rlavsa at tigg.com  Fri Apr 20 10:10:06 2007
From: rlavsa at tigg.com (Richard Lavsa)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:10:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F44A0E447535764DB9447CED518D0C7E9EA55E@tiggsbs1.tiggpittsburgh1.local>

Just to do it quick and dirty I've done the following..
I've had some luck doing this via the simple highlight what you want to
copy, then Copy and then Paste directly into Excel.

I've also had to depending on how it was formatted highlight, then copy
and past into Word then convert the text into a table... 

Like I said.. Quick and dirty.. But it works most of the time.. 

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page

My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
"extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
programmed parser).
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr 20 10:18:53 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:18:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
In-Reply-To: <F44A0E447535764DB9447CED518D0C7E9EA55E@tiggsbs1.tiggpittsburgh1.local>
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And if you do it this way you need to do a Paste Special and then specify
Text. Otherwise the data is all in one cell...
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Richard Lavsa
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page

Just to do it quick and dirty I've done the following..
I've had some luck doing this via the simple highlight what you want to
copy, then Copy and then Paste directly into Excel.

I've also had to depending on how it was formatted highlight, then copy and
past into Word then convert the text into a table... 

Like I said.. Quick and dirty.. But it works most of the time.. 

Rich

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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page

My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
"extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
programmed parser).
 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 10:36:18 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:36:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n
In-Reply-To: <s628b5c6.099@cactus.dk>
References: <s628b5c6.099@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a0704200836w5ff41e53r486ec71fd7eba42@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,
  It was actually pretty simple, I received this from another colleague

SELECT CustomerID, OrderDate
FROM Orders
WHERE OrderID In (SELECT TOP 3 OrderID FROM Orders O WHERE O.CustomerID =
Orders.CustomerID ORDER BY OrderDate Desc)
ORDER BY CustomerID, OrderDate DESC;

which actually does what I needed.

--
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On 4/20/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Francisco
>
> Did you ever get a solution to this?
> If not, look the archive:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2003-May/006636.html
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> fhtapia at gmail.com 17-04-2007 21:18 >>>
> I know how to do this in Sql Server, but have been thinking it over on how
> to do this via the QBE grid in Access...
>
>
> The situation is there is a list like so
>
> Bob  100
> Bob  090
> Bob  050
> Bob  010
> Bill   250
> Bill   100
> Bill   070
> Bill   050
> Jim   etc...
>
>
> What is required, is that they want to be able to obtain the top 3 records
> for each customer ie, Top 3 records sorted in descending order by the qty.
>
> Thanks guys
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 10:47:23 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:47:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0704200836w5ff41e53r486ec71fd7eba42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s628b5c6.099@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a0704200836w5ff41e53r486ec71fd7eba42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c78363$30ed5690$657aa8c0@m6805>

Yes, I ran into this as well and it is the select query in the IN() clause
that is the key.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting the Top 3 Records of every n

Gustav,
  It was actually pretty simple, I received this from another colleague

SELECT CustomerID, OrderDate
FROM Orders
WHERE OrderID In (SELECT TOP 3 OrderID FROM Orders O WHERE O.CustomerID =
Orders.CustomerID ORDER BY OrderDate Desc) ORDER BY CustomerID, OrderDate
DESC;

which actually does what I needed.

--
Francisco

On 4/20/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Francisco
>
> Did you ever get a solution to this?
> If not, look the archive:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2003-May/006636.html
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> fhtapia at gmail.com 17-04-2007 21:18 >>>
> I know how to do this in Sql Server, but have been thinking it over on 
> how to do this via the QBE grid in Access...
>
>
> The situation is there is a list like so
>
> Bob  100
> Bob  090
> Bob  050
> Bob  010
> Bill   250
> Bill   100
> Bill   070
> Bill   050
> Jim   etc...
>
>
> What is required, is that they want to be able to obtain the top 3 
> records for each customer ie, Top 3 records sorted in descending order by
the qty.
>
> Thanks guys
>
> --
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 11:17:37 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:17:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Currency statistics (was: XQuery in VB 6)
Message-ID: <s62903e2.018@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty et al

Oh my, did that URL to the site of the European Cental Bank point to a wealth of statistics from the "Statistical Data Warehouse":

  http://sdw.ecb.int/browse.do?currentNodeId=2018779

Note that everything can be exported to XML so also if you need some real sample data, this is an excellent source.
Also, the speed of that site is amazing. 

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 20-04-2007 03:02 >>>

  http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html 





From CFraase at officeimagesinc.com  Fri Apr 20 11:40:24 2007
From: CFraase at officeimagesinc.com (Cindy Fraase)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:40:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
In-Reply-To: <200702042226.l14MQdO04505@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200702042226.l14MQdO04505@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <C73FDD408D9C0945B0CD235A8BE8E70F016A776B@SVRMAIN.officeimagesinc.com>

Hi all,
I'm really mystified as to what is happening. The following line of code
works fine on my machine, but fails with this error on another. Both
machines are running Access 2003 and all of the references match. The
database is in Access 2002-3 format. It's located on the server, so I'm
running exactly the same database as he is.

I've created an Excel sheet via automation and am filling it with data
here.

The line is: 

objSheet2.Range("A2").CopyFromRecordset rsSalary

The error message I get is:
 430 Class does not support Automation or does not support expected
interface.

Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Cindy
 
 
 
Cynthia Fraase
Asst. Controller
Direct: 678-325-3251
Cell:     770-318-0628
Fax:     770-641-2656
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Determining Background colour of the
desktop

Stuart

Work of genius - well done and thanks

Darren
------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Friday, 2 February 2007 9:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Determining Background colour of the
desktop

On 2 Feb 2007 at 8:47, Darren DICK wrote:

> Does anyone know how to determine the background colour of the
desktop?
> 
> I have a form I want to set its background colour to match

Look up "System Color Constants" in VBA Help (remember to omit the "u"
<g>)

Specifically "vbDesktop 0x80000001 Desktop color "

So set the Detail Backcolor property to  &H80000001 or to -2147483647


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Apr 20 11:47:34 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:47:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
References: <200702042226.l14MQdO04505@databaseadvisors.com>
	<C73FDD408D9C0945B0CD235A8BE8E70F016A776B@SVRMAIN.officeimagesinc.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>

The problem may be that Access keeps putting your
references out of order. You'd need to make sure that
DAO36 is ahead of ADO##

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Fraase" <CFraase at officeimagesinc.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem


> Hi all,
> I'm really mystified as to what is happening. The following line of code
> works fine on my machine, but fails with this error on another. Both
> machines are running Access 2003 and all of the references match. The
> database is in Access 2002-3 format. It's located on the server, so I'm
> running exactly the same database as he is.
>
> I've created an Excel sheet via automation and am filling it with data
> here.
>
> The line is:
>
> objSheet2.Range("A2").CopyFromRecordset rsSalary
>
> The error message I get is:
> 430 Class does not support Automation or does not support expected
> interface.
>
> Any insights would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Cindy
>
>
>
> Cynthia Fraase
> Asst. Controller
> Direct: 678-325-3251
> Cell:     770-318-0628
> Fax:     770-641-2656
>
> www.officeimagesinc.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 20 11:54:55 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:54:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
Message-ID: <s6290c92.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Cindy

It could be an MDAC versions mis-match:

http://search.msdn.microsoft.com/search/Default.aspx?brand=msdn&locale=en-us&query=430+Class+does+not+support+Automation+or+does+not+support+expected

/gustav

>>> CFraase at officeimagesinc.com 20-04-2007 18:40 >>>
Hi all,
I'm really mystified as to what is happening. The following line of code
works fine on my machine, but fails with this error on another. Both
machines are running Access 2003 and all of the references match. The
database is in Access 2002-3 format. It's located on the server, so I'm
running exactly the same database as he is.

I've created an Excel sheet via automation and am filling it with data
here.

The line is: 

objSheet2.Range("A2").CopyFromRecordset rsSalary

The error message I get is:
 430 Class does not support Automation or does not support expected
interface.

Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Cindy





From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Fri Apr 20 12:06:56 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:06:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Joining tables from two different dbs
In-Reply-To: <00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>
References: <200702042226.l14MQdO04505@databaseadvisors.com><C73FDD408D9C0945B0CD235A8BE8E70F016A776B@SVRMAIN.officeimagesinc.com>
	<00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <009601c7836e$4e170080$046fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi:

I have the following code to create a recordset from a dbase file:

 Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset

    Set cn = New ADODB.Connection
    Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

    cn.Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"

    cn.ConnectionString = "Data Source=C:\DBASE Path;Extended
Properties=dBASE IV;"
    cn.Open

    Set rs = cn.Execute("SELECT Production FROM dbaseTABLE where
Production=133745 group by Production", , adLockReadOnly) 


 cn.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set cn = Nothing


This works fine, connects to and reads the dBase table fine. However, I'd
like to do a join to detect unmatched records in the dBase table. In this
case, I'd be joining a local Access table to the dBase table ... Is this
possible to do? 

Thanks in advance.



Larry Mrazek

LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645




From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 20 12:22:53 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:22:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
In-Reply-To: <00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F163E66438E0F6204BA6F72D2560@phx.gbl>

This is the error very similar to when you have DAO36 selected but DAO3.51 
is not on the machine at all.  I have found that downloading 
DAO350.dll...registering it...and everything is fixed.

Learned this after chasing down the error on 1 of 2 identical(so I thought) 
machines.  The offending machine did not have 3.51 on it...I didn't have it 
checked in references...so I never looked to see if it was there.  After 
putting it on the machine/registering...the error went away.

There is a reference to it on MS site...but no explanation as to why it 
causes these errors, sometimes.

Good Luck,

Mark A. Matte




>From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:47:34 -0400
>
>The problem may be that Access keeps putting your
>references out of order. You'd need to make sure that
>DAO36 is ahead of ADO##
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>MapPoint & Access Dev
>www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cindy Fraase" <CFraase at officeimagesinc.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:40 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > I'm really mystified as to what is happening. The following line of code
> > works fine on my machine, but fails with this error on another. Both
> > machines are running Access 2003 and all of the references match. The
> > database is in Access 2002-3 format. It's located on the server, so I'm
> > running exactly the same database as he is.
> >
> > I've created an Excel sheet via automation and am filling it with data
> > here.
> >
> > The line is:
> >
> > objSheet2.Range("A2").CopyFromRecordset rsSalary
> >
> > The error message I get is:
> > 430 Class does not support Automation or does not support expected
> > interface.
> >
> > Any insights would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > Cynthia Fraase
> > Asst. Controller
> > Direct: 678-325-3251
> > Cell:     770-318-0628
> > Fax:     770-641-2656
> >
> > www.officeimagesinc.com
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 20 12:30:34 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:30:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Values Again - Sorry about last email
In-Reply-To: <14636301.8571177064736316.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F1F9F77A06A917B88800AFD2560@phx.gbl>

In looking at the set of data...all of the records seem to be in the same 
format except  the last:
">ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10"

There are no spaces like the other records.  If all of the records were in 
the same format...and it was impossible for the same machine to have the 
exact 2 date/times the same...you could strip out the machine name and the 
date...get max of date...and join back to the table to get the full name.

Good Luck,

Mark A. MAtte


>From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting Top Values Again - Sorry about last email
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:25:36 +0200 (CEST)
>
>To all,
>
>Not quite sure how to put this but I have the following example result set 
>from a query:
>LaptopNamesOwnerUserNameMaxOfLastUsed
>ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
>ADDER RAYATKINSON ANDREWNORRIDGE 02/02/2007 12:01:29
>ADDER RAYATKINSON IANNEWCOMBE 05/12/2006 12:50:01
>ADDER RAYATKINSON JIMMYWILSON 30/09/2006 12:01:47
>ADDER RAYATKINSON RICHARDMASKERY 30/08/2006 12:53:11
>ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 23/07/2006 14:33:47
>ADDER RAYATKINSON BRIANTHOMAS 12/05/2006 12:57:59
>ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40
>ALBANIA TERRYJONES LYLEBARRAS 20/09/2006 10:43:37
>ALBANIATERRYJONESKAITSANG21/08/2006 11:33:10
>
>What I need to end up with is this:
>
>ADDER RAYATKINSON JOHNCLEGG 15/02/2007 10:30:14
>ALBANIA TERRYJONES JOHNCLEGG 20/09/2006 12:41:40
>
>
>
>i.e the maximum date....I am sure there has been a solution to this on here 
>before, but I can seem to find it..
>
>Thanks in advance for any help on this..
>
>
>
>Paul Hartland
>paul.hartland at fsmail.net
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From CFraase at officeimagesinc.com  Fri Apr 20 13:16:58 2007
From: CFraase at officeimagesinc.com (Cindy Fraase)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:16:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F163E66438E0F6204BA6F72D2560@phx.gbl>
References: <00e201c7836b$998ef250$0302a8c0@Laptop>
	<BAY127-F163E66438E0F6204BA6F72D2560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C73FDD408D9C0945B0CD235A8BE8E70F016A778D@SVRMAIN.officeimagesinc.com>

Thanks to everyone who answered! I'll let you all know if your
suggestions work. Unfortunately, I have to wait for access to that
machine to try them. I hope the reference order works - that's an easy
fix!

 
 
 
Cynthia Fraase
Asst. Controller
Direct: 678-325-3251
Cell:     770-318-0628
Fax:     770-641-2656
 
www.officeimagesinc.com
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation problem

This is the error very similar to when you have DAO36 selected but
DAO3.51 
is not on the machine at all.  I have found that downloading 
DAO350.dll...registering it...and everything is fixed.

Learned this after chasing down the error on 1 of 2 identical(so I
thought) 
machines.  The offending machine did not have 3.51 on it...I didn't have
it 
checked in references...so I never looked to see if it was there.  After

putting it on the machine/registering...the error went away.

There is a reference to it on MS site...but no explanation as to why it 
causes these errors, sometimes.

Good Luck,

Mark A. Matte







From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 14:43:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:43:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net
Message-ID: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>

Guys,
 
I am looking for a learning experience here.  Using the import wizard in SQL
Server 2005 I created a .dtsx file, and successfully imported the first of
about 60 files using that from right inside of SQL Server's import wizard.
It asks if you want to save at the very end which I did, and which created
the aforementioned .dtsx file.  Unfortunately that wizard does not allow you
to use that file for another file.  Even more unfortunately, the files in
question are fixed width, and thus have no field info in the first line etc.
Thus to use the wizard, I would have to respecify the names and widths of
all 150 fields each and every time.  
 
Therefore... I am attempting to use the dtsx file in .Net to do the import.
If I "open" that file, Visual studio is selected as the file to do the
opening, and if I do so it opens and shows me a tabbed object.  The first
tab is a control flow, the next is a data flow, event handlers and package
explorer.
 
I can actually execute the entire thing from inside of Visual studio and
imports that first file, creates the table, with the field names and field
widths etc.  Unfortunately, for some reason NVarChar was selected as the
default when I created this thing back in SQL Server.  I managed to change
the table inside of SQL Server to just use VarChar.  It was a few days ago
and I don't really remember how.  I do remember that the wizards that allow
you to manipulate the table / field definitions very helpfully try and
change the length from whatever value you currently have back to 50 if you
change the data type from NVarChar to VarChar.  Sometimes I think the world
is just one big IDIOT MASS.  
 
Be that as it may, (back in Visual Studio) if I click on the data flow tab,
it shows the source as the original file.  First task is to change that to
the name of the second file to be processed.  If I click on the "source
connection flat file" object in that tab down below the main screen, there
is a connection string property which I can change to the next file name.  
 
The next issue now is that the data conversion object is pulling data out of
an XML file which stubbornly insists that the destination data is NVarChar -
with the correct field lengths.  If I open the wizard, I can indeed edit
this to change the datatype, but it insists on helpfully changing the field
length from the correct values (carefully entered already) back to the
standard 50.  Sometimes I am absolutely CERTAIN that the entire world is one
big IDIOT MASS.
 
So here I am, trying to edit the data conversion object for 150 fields to
change from NVarChar to VarChar, where with each field change the very
helpful wizard insists on changing my field length back to 50.  Sigh.
Idiots, all of them.  If I can get this edit done I believe I can use this
thing to import the other 60 or so files.
 
So am I stuck with doing this all over again?  Is there even one microscopic
particle of grey brain matter anywhere in the Microsoft campus?  Is it just
me and the rest of the world WANTS their carefully entered field lengths
changed back to 50 if they need to change from NvarChar to VarChar (and if
so why)?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr 20 17:50:15 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:50:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] getting data out of an internet page
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000b01c7835a$ff6bd220$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <462943A7.21898.57F9DEA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try copying it then open Excel and  "Paste Special - Text"   followed by a 
"Data-Text to Columns".

On 20 Apr 2007 at 10:48, JWColby wrote:

> My internet phone bill comes with a neatly laid out list of phone calls.
> AFAICT it is not a table however.  I am wondering if there is a way to
> "extract" that data into a spreadsheet or table (other than building a
> programmed parser).
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Apr 20 22:00:54 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:00:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...no question at all JC, its just you ...hth :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>; 
"'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net


> Guys,
>
> I am looking for a learning experience here.  Using the import wizard in 
> SQL
> Server 2005 I created a .dtsx file, and successfully imported the first of
> about 60 files using that from right inside of SQL Server's import wizard.
> It asks if you want to save at the very end which I did, and which created
> the aforementioned .dtsx file.  Unfortunately that wizard does not allow 
> you
> to use that file for another file.  Even more unfortunately, the files in
> question are fixed width, and thus have no field info in the first line 
> etc.
> Thus to use the wizard, I would have to respecify the names and widths of
> all 150 fields each and every time.
>
> Therefore... I am attempting to use the dtsx file in .Net to do the 
> import.
> If I "open" that file, Visual studio is selected as the file to do the
> opening, and if I do so it opens and shows me a tabbed object.  The first
> tab is a control flow, the next is a data flow, event handlers and package
> explorer.
>
> I can actually execute the entire thing from inside of Visual studio and
> imports that first file, creates the table, with the field names and field
> widths etc.  Unfortunately, for some reason NVarChar was selected as the
> default when I created this thing back in SQL Server.  I managed to change
> the table inside of SQL Server to just use VarChar.  It was a few days ago
> and I don't really remember how.  I do remember that the wizards that 
> allow
> you to manipulate the table / field definitions very helpfully try and
> change the length from whatever value you currently have back to 50 if you
> change the data type from NVarChar to VarChar.  Sometimes I think the 
> world
> is just one big IDIOT MASS.
>
> Be that as it may, (back in Visual Studio) if I click on the data flow 
> tab,
> it shows the source as the original file.  First task is to change that to
> the name of the second file to be processed.  If I click on the "source
> connection flat file" object in that tab down below the main screen, there
> is a connection string property which I can change to the next file name.
>
> The next issue now is that the data conversion object is pulling data out 
> of
> an XML file which stubbornly insists that the destination data is 
> NVarChar -
> with the correct field lengths.  If I open the wizard, I can indeed edit
> this to change the datatype, but it insists on helpfully changing the 
> field
> length from the correct values (carefully entered already) back to the
> standard 50.  Sometimes I am absolutely CERTAIN that the entire world is 
> one
> big IDIOT MASS.
>
> So here I am, trying to edit the data conversion object for 150 fields to
> change from NVarChar to VarChar, where with each field change the very
> helpful wizard insists on changing my field length back to 50.  Sigh.
> Idiots, all of them.  If I can get this edit done I believe I can use this
> thing to import the other 60 or so files.
>
> So am I stuck with doing this all over again?  Is there even one 
> microscopic
> particle of grey brain matter anywhere in the Microsoft campus?  Is it 
> just
> me and the rest of the world WANTS their carefully entered field lengths
> changed back to 50 if they need to change from NvarChar to VarChar (and if
> so why)?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -- 
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> 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 20 22:18:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:18:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>

ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.

I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.

On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part of the
Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net to make
your application more responsive to the user".  It is really cool, but as it
turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was looking for - a
directory watcher which is a com object that can be used from VB6.  Now to
be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this might also be usable from
VBA.  It is a referencable object that sources events, and may allow me to
do directory watching from inside of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer
on a form.  How cool would that be?

VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I have
to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I absolutely
do understand everything they are talking about in this demo, I just don't
understand all the syntax (couldn't write it myself).  It is so strange
though, just today I was looking for code to "watch a directory for files"
and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free copy
of Visual Studio 2005.

So much to learn, so little time.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net

...no question at all JC, its just you ...hth :)

William Hindman



From bheid at sc.rr.com  Sat Apr 21 08:26:44 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:26:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <001e01c78418$b4cace60$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

>From my understanding, you should be able to use .Net stuff from VBA just as
you would from VB6.  I think there was an MSDN magazine article about this.
I'll see what I can find.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.

I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.

On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part of the
Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net to make
your application more responsive to the user".  It is really cool, but as it
turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was looking for - a
directory watcher which is a com object that can be used from VB6.  Now to
be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this might also be usable from
VBA.  It is a referencable object that sources events, and may allow me to
do directory watching from inside of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer
on a form.  How cool would that be?

VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I have
to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I absolutely
do understand everything they are talking about in this demo, I just don't
understand all the syntax (couldn't write it myself).  It is so strange
though, just today I was looking for code to "watch a directory for files"
and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free copy
of Visual Studio 2005.

So much to learn, so little time.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net

...no question at all JC, its just you ...hth :)

William Hindman

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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Sat Apr 21 09:14:29 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:14:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <001e01c78418$b4cace60$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<001e01c78418$b4cace60$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <002301c7841f$60988790$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

John,

Here's one link (not MSDN Mag though) for calling .Net from VBA:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa140276(office.10).aspx

And here's one going the other way:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa159913(office.11).aspx 

And that was a neat labcast.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

>From my understanding, you should be able to use .Net stuff from VBA just
as
you would from VB6.  I think there was an MSDN magazine article about this.
I'll see what I can find.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.

I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.

On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part of the
Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net to make
your application more responsive to the user".  It is really cool, but as it
turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was looking for - a
directory watcher which is a com object that can be used from VB6.  Now to
be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this might also be usable from
VBA.  It is a referencable object that sources events, and may allow me to
do directory watching from inside of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer
on a form.  How cool would that be?

VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I have
to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I absolutely
do understand everything they are talking about in this demo, I just don't
understand all the syntax (couldn't write it myself).  It is so strange
though, just today I was looking for code to "watch a directory for files"
and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free copy
of Visual Studio 2005.

So much to learn, so little time.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a dtsx in .Net

...no question at all JC, its just you ...hth :)

William Hindman

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 21 12:31:17 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:31:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>

You could use these Visual Basic 6.0  File API Routines
in VBA     FindFirstChangeNotification:
Randy Birch does a good job on error checking

Might have to run in a hidden form

   Create a 'Watched' Folder

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/watchedfolder.htm


JWColby wrote:

>ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.
>
>I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.
>
>On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part of the
>Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net to make
>your application more responsive to the user".  It is really cool, but as it
>turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was looking for - a
>directory watcher which is a com object that can be used from VB6.  Now to
>be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this might also be usable from
>VBA.  It is a referencable object that sources events, and may allow me to
>do directory watching from inside of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer
>on a form.  How cool would that be?
>
>VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I have
>to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I absolutely
>do understand everything they are talking about in this demo, I just don't
>understand all the syntax (couldn't write it myself).  It is so strange
>though, just today I was looking for code to "watch a directory for files"
>and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free copy
>of Visual Studio 2005.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 14:37:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:37:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805>

Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
can only monitor one directory, and apparently that it can pretty much do
nothing else.  The reason is that VBA is single threaded, and this code is a
tight loop with a DoEvents to allow the appearance of normalcy.  However it
really doesn't allow anything else to function.  I tried to make this a
class so that I could then do two (or more) instances.  The first instance
starts up but the second instance is not allowed to instantiate, with a "the
macro or validation rule prevents..." error thrown in the event of the text
box that tries to set up the second instance.  In essence it appears that
this would work just fine in limited situations where you just want an
application to monitor a directory, do something specific, then go right
back to the monitor loop, however it may completely prevent a broader
application from functioning after the loop is started.

One of the things I am trying to do is to start slowly doing some VB.Net
development.  I have a handful of things that really don't "fit" Access as a
development tool, e.g. running things as services.  I am also doing a lot
more stuff directly out in SQL Server 2005, and I want the ability to run a
powerful programming language that more directly talks to SQL Server, and
also does not require a copy of Access installed in order to operate.
VB.Net will give me that if I can ever get it figured out (I just need the
TIME!).  

The .Net code basically listens for EVENTS from a DotNet DiskWatcher object.
I haven't gotten so far as to determine whether when wrapped as a COM object
it can be used more than once from inside of Access.  The Web Seminar left
out the critical (written) instructions for compiling and registering the
com object, though the instructions are in the video, so I am headed back to
watch that portion of the video again.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

You could use these Visual Basic 6.0  File API Routines
in VBA     FindFirstChangeNotification:
Randy Birch does a good job on error checking

Might have to run in a hidden form

   Create a 'Watched' Folder

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/watchedfolder.htm


JWColby wrote:

>ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.
>
>I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.
>
>On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part 
>of the Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net 
>to make your application more responsive to the user".  It is really 
>cool, but as it turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was 
>looking for - a directory watcher which is a com object that can be 
>used from VB6.  Now to be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this 
>might also be usable from VBA.  It is a referencable object that 
>sources events, and may allow me to do directory watching from inside 
>of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer on a form.  How cool would that
be?
>
>VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I 
>have to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I 
>absolutely do understand everything they are talking about in this 
>demo, I just don't understand all the syntax (couldn't write it 
>myself).  It is so strange though, just today I was looking for code to
"watch a directory for files"
>and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free 
>copy of Visual Studio 2005.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>  
>

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 15:19:03 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:19:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in
	.Net
In-Reply-To: <003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805><462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>
	<003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Just an FYI, the dirwatcher com object from the webcast apparently can be
used "simultaneously" from Access.  I created a form with two text controls.
Each text control creates an instance of the referenced com object and
passes in whatever you type in as a directory.  If you pass in an invalid
dir name it errors, else it watches.  I then created two empty directories
and tested by creating new text files in each directory.  The correct events
fired and I was notified of the appearance of a file (and it's name) in the
correct watched directory.  

And of course this does require a completely external "watcher widget" which
has to be registered etc., at least for use in Access.

WARNING... The COM object DELETES the file behind itself so it is NOT
appropriate for use "as is", nor did I expect it to be, but it does function
inside of VBA and it can do so multi-instanced.

The following is the code in the test form that I created:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Dim WithEvents fDirWatcher1 As DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
Dim WithEvents fDirWatcher2 As DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher

Private Sub fDirWatcher1_ProcessingFile(ByVal FileName As String)
    MsgBox "Watcher 1 fired: " & FileName
End Sub

Private Sub fDirWatcher2_ProcessingFile(ByVal FileName As String)
    MsgBox "watcher 2 fired: " & FileName
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Close()
    Set fDirWatcher1 = Nothing
    Set fDirWatcher2 = Nothing
End Sub

Private Sub Text0_AfterUpdate()
    Set fDirWatcher1 = New DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
    fDirWatcher1.Init Text0.Value
End Sub

Private Sub Text2_AfterUpdate()
    Set fDirWatcher2 = New DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
    fDirWatcher2.Init Text2.Value
End Sub

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
can only monitor one directory, and apparently that it can pretty much do
nothing else.  The reason is that VBA is single threaded, and this code is a
tight loop with a DoEvents to allow the appearance of normalcy.  However it
really doesn't allow anything else to function.  I tried to make this a
class so that I could then do two (or more) instances.  The first instance
starts up but the second instance is not allowed to instantiate, with a "the
macro or validation rule prevents..." error thrown in the event of the text
box that tries to set up the second instance.  In essence it appears that
this would work just fine in limited situations where you just want an
application to monitor a directory, do something specific, then go right
back to the monitor loop, however it may completely prevent a broader
application from functioning after the loop is started.

One of the things I am trying to do is to start slowly doing some VB.Net
development.  I have a handful of things that really don't "fit" Access as a
development tool, e.g. running things as services.  I am also doing a lot
more stuff directly out in SQL Server 2005, and I want the ability to run a
powerful programming language that more directly talks to SQL Server, and
also does not require a copy of Access installed in order to operate.
VB.Net will give me that if I can ever get it figured out (I just need the
TIME!).  

The .Net code basically listens for EVENTS from a DotNet DiskWatcher object.
I haven't gotten so far as to determine whether when wrapped as a COM object
it can be used more than once from inside of Access.  The Web Seminar left
out the critical (written) instructions for compiling and registering the
com object, though the instructions are in the video, so I am headed back to
watch that portion of the video again.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 21 17:52:20 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:52:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
 dtsx in	.Net
In-Reply-To: <003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805> <462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca>
	<003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca>

Just wondering, if you used this method to register the com class dll.
It uses regasm and gacutil to remove any previously named dll
and reinstalls in the registry.
See :
http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/Interop/Building_Samples_COM2NET.aspx

the install batch file looks like this for your dll FX20Wrapper.dll

regasm 
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\system.windows.forms.dll"

gacutil -u FX20Wrapper
regasm /u "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

regasm /tlb "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"
gacutil -i "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

To use Access set a reference to the tlb file that will be in a
directory like below depending on where you installed the project.
\VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.tlb

The tlb will allow Access to see the class definitions and do a compile.

JWColby wrote:

>Just an FYI, the dirwatcher com object from the webcast apparently can be
>used "simultaneously" from Access.  I created a form with two text controls.
>Each text control creates an instance of the referenced com object and
>passes in whatever you type in as a directory.  If you pass in an invalid
>dir name it errors, else it watches.  I then created two empty directories
>and tested by creating new text files in each directory.  The correct events
>fired and I was notified of the appearance of a file (and it's name) in the
>correct watched directory.  
>
>And of course this does require a completely external "watcher widget" which
>has to be registered etc., at least for use in Access.
>
>WARNING... The COM object DELETES the file behind itself so it is NOT
>appropriate for use "as is", nor did I expect it to be, but it does function
>inside of VBA and it can do so multi-instanced.
>
>The following is the code in the test form that I created:
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>Dim WithEvents fDirWatcher1 As DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
>Dim WithEvents fDirWatcher2 As DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
>
>Private Sub fDirWatcher1_ProcessingFile(ByVal FileName As String)
>    MsgBox "Watcher 1 fired: " & FileName
>End Sub
>
>Private Sub fDirWatcher2_ProcessingFile(ByVal FileName As String)
>    MsgBox "watcher 2 fired: " & FileName
>End Sub
>
>Private Sub Form_Close()
>    Set fDirWatcher1 = Nothing
>    Set fDirWatcher2 = Nothing
>End Sub
>
>Private Sub Text0_AfterUpdate()
>    Set fDirWatcher1 = New DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
>    fDirWatcher1.Init Text0.Value
>End Sub
>
>Private Sub Text2_AfterUpdate()
>    Set fDirWatcher2 = New DropDirMonitor.DirWatcher
>    fDirWatcher2.Init Text2.Value
>End Sub
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:38 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net
>
>Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
>function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
>can only monitor one directory, and apparently that it can pretty much do
>nothing else.  The reason is that VBA is single threaded, and this code is a
>tight loop with a DoEvents to allow the appearance of normalcy.  However it
>really doesn't allow anything else to function.  I tried to make this a
>class so that I could then do two (or more) instances.  The first instance
>starts up but the second instance is not allowed to instantiate, with a "the
>macro or validation rule prevents..." error thrown in the event of the text
>box that tries to set up the second instance.  In essence it appears that
>this would work just fine in limited situations where you just want an
>application to monitor a directory, do something specific, then go right
>back to the monitor loop, however it may completely prevent a broader
>application from functioning after the loop is started.
>
>One of the things I am trying to do is to start slowly doing some VB.Net
>development.  I have a handful of things that really don't "fit" Access as a
>development tool, e.g. running things as services.  I am also doing a lot
>more stuff directly out in SQL Server 2005, and I want the ability to run a
>powerful programming language that more directly talks to SQL Server, and
>also does not require a copy of Access installed in order to operate.
>VB.Net will give me that if I can ever get it figured out (I just need the
>TIME!).  
>
>The .Net code basically listens for EVENTS from a DotNet DiskWatcher object.
>I haven't gotten so far as to determine whether when wrapped as a COM object
>it can be used more than once from inside of Access.  The Web Seminar left
>out the critical (written) instructions for compiling and registering the
>com object, though the instructions are in the video, so I am headed back to
>watch that portion of the video again.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 18:22:36 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:22:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
	dtsx in	.Net
In-Reply-To: <462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca><003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805><003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805>

Marty,

I didn't have to do a register on this machine since it was the one that I
created the VB.Net project on and the simple act of building it caused it to
be registered.  I will certainly look at that stuff if I need to do this on
another machine (actually use this thing).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
dtsx in .Net

Just wondering, if you used this method to register the com class dll.
It uses regasm and gacutil to remove any previously named dll and reinstalls
in the registry.
See :
http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/Interop/Building_Samples_C
OM2NET.aspx

the install batch file looks like this for your dll FX20Wrapper.dll

regasm
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\system.windows.forms.dll"

gacutil -u FX20Wrapper
regasm /u "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

regasm /tlb "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"
gacutil -i "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

To use Access set a reference to the tlb file that will be in a directory
like below depending on where you installed the project.
\VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.tlb

The tlb will allow Access to see the class definitions and do a compile.





From ebarro at verizon.net  Sat Apr 21 20:16:45 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:16:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using
 a	dtsx in	.Net
In-Reply-To: <004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JGV007WDKVX266A@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

John,

.Net takes care of registering any COM objects that you reference in your
projects. If you look at the bin folder where your project was compiled it
will contain an Interop.COMObject.dll file corresponding to the COMObject
that you referenced. That's just one of the "beauties" of .Net. :) When you
deploy the app to another machine all you need to do is to copy your
application DLL and the Interop DLLs to make it work.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
dtsx in .Net

Marty,

I didn't have to do a register on this machine since it was the one that I
created the VB.Net project on and the simple act of building it caused it to
be registered.  I will certainly look at that stuff if I need to do this on
another machine (actually use this thing).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
dtsx in .Net

Just wondering, if you used this method to register the com class dll.
It uses regasm and gacutil to remove any previously named dll and reinstalls
in the registry.
See :
http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/Interop/Building_Samples_C
OM2NET.aspx

the install batch file looks like this for your dll FX20Wrapper.dll

regasm
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\system.windows.forms.dll"

gacutil -u FX20Wrapper
regasm /u "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

regasm /tlb "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"
gacutil -i "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

To use Access set a reference to the tlb file that will be in a directory
like below depending on where you installed the project.
\VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.tlb

The tlb will allow Access to see the class definitions and do a compile.



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From pcs at azizaz.com  Sat Apr 21 20:31:06 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Hansen, Professional Computer Systems)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:31:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using adtsx
	in	.Net
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805><462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca><003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805><003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805><462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca>
	<004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <04e401c7847d$e61da770$fa10a8c0@Albatross>

Jon,
I am reading the thread with great interest.
I think a lot us hanging out in this forum are seeing the need of getting up to speed with .net and sql server etc.
... and wishing we had more time.

if you have time, would you mind going through the steps involved for creating what you did.

I understand there is a .net object - among the many thousands -  you refer to as "DotNet DiskWatcher object". - What's the name?

You write some .net code using this object that will monitor a Folder and alert you when things happens in the folder. What does the
code look like.

Then you write a "wrapper" so the .net code can be used in VB and more of interest in VBA.
What does the wrapper code look like - the com object?

Then there is the issue of registered the com object.
Marty is writing about certain code for using this.
What's the connection between the .dll file and .tlb file ?
Is the .dll file the file that contains the com object. what's the function of the tlb file?

You didn't need to register the com object as it gets registered on the machine you built the code on.

You then used the com object in some vba code, copy of which you showed us, right?

hmmm.... so much ... to get around to finding a 'easy' way to make .net functionality available in vba code

Here's another link:
Visual Basic Fusion: Best Practices to Use Visual Basic 6 and Visual Basic .NET Together
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364069(vs.80).aspx

borge


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using adtsx in .Net


Marty,

I didn't have to do a register on this machine since it was the one that I
created the VB.Net project on and the simple act of building it caused it to
be registered.  I will certainly look at that stuff if I need to do this on
another machine (actually use this thing).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using a
dtsx in .Net

Just wondering, if you used this method to register the com class dll.
It uses regasm and gacutil to remove any previously named dll and reinstalls
in the registry.
See :
http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/Interop/Building_Samples_C
OM2NET.aspx

the install batch file looks like this for your dll FX20Wrapper.dll

regasm
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\system.windows.forms.dll"

gacutil -u FX20Wrapper
regasm /u "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

regasm /tlb "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"
gacutil -i "VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.dll"

To use Access set a reference to the tlb file that will be in a directory
like below depending on where you installed the project.
\VB2005\FX20Wrapper\bin\Release\FX20Wrapper.tlb

The tlb will allow Access to see the class definitions and do a compile.



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 21 23:29:34 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:29:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using
	adtsxin	.Net
In-Reply-To: <04e401c7847d$e61da770$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805><462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca><003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805><003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805><462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca><004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<04e401c7847d$e61da770$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
Message-ID: <004301c78496$d4f90980$657aa8c0@m6805>

Borge,

This all started when I watched a webcast video from a series that MS is
publishing.  They all seemed aimed at nudging VB6 folks to start using
VB.Net.  I am not a VB6 person, perhaps unfortunately.  

Anyway, I found this webcast in the start page of Visual Studio, but in fact
the email someone sent has the page to go to find these things.

http://msevents.microsoft.com/CUI/WebCastEventDetails.aspx?EventID=103233340
8&EventCategory=3&culture=en-US&CountryCode=US

Watch for wrap.

I know NOTHING about this other than what I learned in the webcast.  The
webcast showed how to build a com object from DotNet to do this stuff.  I
watched it, I typed it all in and built it.  I referenced it from Access,
built a demo etc. and it worked (after I figured out one syntax error).

How it worked I do not yet understand, in fact it is waaaay over my head.
This is a classic case of "they went too far", i.e. they should have stopped
at the diskwatcher but they did not, they wanted to show other (more
advanced) cool stuff.  Anyway, watch the video and see what you can get.  I
am now trying to lobotomize their COM widget to NOT do the extra cool stuff
because it gets in the way of actually using the disk watcher as a simple
diskwatcher.  

Basically they also read the contents of the files placed in the watched
directory into memory and then pass that off to the using application as a
parameter.  IOW when you sink an event in Access (or VB6) you get the actual
contents of the file in something - I think it is an array of strings but I
am not sure.  They also delete the file after they read it into this memory.


I don't WANT either of these functionalities, I just want to be notified
that there are files in the dir.  Some of the files I am processing are
multi-gigabyte text files.  I sure as hell don't want this thing trying to
read that into memory and pass it to my Access app thank you very much.  I
can go to the directory and open a text stream and do my own reading.  I
also don't want them deleting the file, I can do what I want with the file
when I am finished processing it.

But they had to be cool.

Anyway, there you are.  I am such a nubee that I will have to watch the
video several times to even begin to understand the finer points of it.

I have always been impressed with .Net, at least since version 2.0 came out.
It is very powerful stuff, and yes, I am trying to get into it.  I now
actually have a use for it - if I could just find the year required to
struggle up the learning curve.  I think it is just a matter of keeping at
it, day after day, week after week until it becomes familiar.  Hard to do
when you have way more Access work to do than you can ever get done which is
where I am right now (not complaining though).

BTW I posted the code (with one small syntax error) but it got caught in the
email size filter and never made it through to the list.

I will get back to you when I have this com object running the way I need
it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Borge Hansen,
Professional Computer Systems
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: using
adtsxin .Net

Jon,
I am reading the thread with great interest.
I think a lot us hanging out in this forum are seeing the need of getting up
to speed with .net and sql server etc.
... and wishing we had more time.

if you have time, would you mind going through the steps involved for
creating what you did.

I understand there is a .net object - among the many thousands -  you refer
to as "DotNet DiskWatcher object". - What's the name?

You write some .net code using this object that will monitor a Folder and
alert you when things happens in the folder. What does the code look like.

Then you write a "wrapper" so the .net code can be used in VB and more of
interest in VBA.
What does the wrapper code look like - the com object?

Then there is the issue of registered the com object.
Marty is writing about certain code for using this.
What's the connection between the .dll file and .tlb file ?
Is the .dll file the file that contains the com object. what's the function
of the tlb file?

You didn't need to register the com object as it gets registered on the
machine you built the code on.

You then used the com object in some vba code, copy of which you showed us,
right?

hmmm.... so much ... to get around to finding a 'easy' way to make .net
functionality available in vba code

Here's another link:
Visual Basic Fusion: Best Practices to Use Visual Basic 6 and Visual Basic
.NET Together http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364069(vs.80).aspx

borge



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 22 05:01:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:01:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
Message-ID: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>

Hi John

It's worse. It has only limited functionality.
Quoting myself from 2002-02-19 where J?rgen had brought up how to use FindFirstChangeNotification:

<quote>
The problem I have with this is that it does not seem to be very
accurate. If a bunch of small files are copied then the event fires only
a couple of times; thus - for accurate purposes - it may be necessary to
regard the event being fired when "something" has happened - then you
have to investigate what this something is. Of course, if a file is
dropped in the watched directory only once in a while, this is not
necessary.

Any suggestions from the API gurus are most welcome.
</quote>

No suggestions were posted, so somehow this task must be very difficult ...

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-04-2007 21:37 >>>
Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
can only monitor one directory, and apparently that it can pretty much do
nothing else.  The reason is that VBA is single threaded, and this code is a
tight loop with a DoEvents to allow the appearance of normalcy.  However it
really doesn't allow anything else to function.  I tried to make this a
class so that I could then do two (or more) instances.  The first instance
starts up but the second instance is not allowed to instantiate, with a "the
macro or validation rule prevents..." error thrown in the event of the text
box that tries to set up the second instance.  In essence it appears that
this would work just fine in limited situations where you just want an
application to monitor a directory, do something specific, then go right
back to the monitor loop, however it may completely prevent a broader
application from functioning after the loop is started.

One of the things I am trying to do is to start slowly doing some VB.Net
development.  I have a handful of things that really don't "fit" Access as a
development tool, e.g. running things as services.  I am also doing a lot
more stuff directly out in SQL Server 2005, and I want the ability to run a
powerful programming language that more directly talks to SQL Server, and
also does not require a copy of Access installed in order to operate.
VB.Net will give me that if I can ever get it figured out (I just need the
TIME!).  

The .Net code basically listens for EVENTS from a DotNet DiskWatcher object.
I haven't gotten so far as to determine whether when wrapped as a COM object
it can be used more than once from inside of Access.  The Web Seminar left
out the critical (written) instructions for compiling and registering the
com object, though the instructions are in the video, so I am headed back to
watch that portion of the video again.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE: using a dtsx in .Net

You could use these Visual Basic 6.0  File API Routines
in VBA     FindFirstChangeNotification:
Randy Birch does a good job on error checking

Might have to run in a hidden form

   Create a 'Watched' Folder

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/watchedfolder.htm 


JWColby wrote:

>ROTFL.  Yea, I kinda thought so.
>
>I have so little patience with ...  uh...  Stupidity.
>
>On another more positive note, I watched a virtual lab tonight - part 
>of the Visual Studio 2005.  This lab is "using worker threads in VB.Net 
>to make your application more responsive to the user".  It is really 
>cool, but as it turns out, the demo they use is also exactly what I was 
>looking for - a directory watcher which is a com object that can be 
>used from VB6.  Now to be honest, I don't do VB6 but it looks like this 
>might also be usable from VBA.  It is a referencable object that 
>sources events, and may allow me to do directory watching from inside 
>of Access - WITHOUT having to use a timer on a form.  How cool would that
be?
>
>VB.Net is really a cool thing; Too bad I don't understand it better.  I 
>have to say though that having done the class stuff I do in Access, I 
>absolutely do understand everything they are talking about in this 
>demo, I just don't understand all the syntax (couldn't write it 
>myself).  It is so strange though, just today I was looking for code to
"watch a directory for files"
>and here it is.  Even better, the lab counts towards getting the free 
>copy of Visual Studio 2005.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 22 05:23:57 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:23:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider,
	AddNew doesn't add record to	MySQL table
Message-ID: <s62b53fa.028@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

And so I did - the developer is now organised as Cherry City Software:
http://cherrycitysoftware.com/CCS/Home/Default.aspx

<quote>
We never supported upadate/delete/add function on the fly. Instead, you have
to use script or SP call to do that.

We know it would be nice to that work. However, we are currently short of
resources.

Regards,
Cherry City Software Support Team
</quote>

So no luck. You have to run an SQL "Insert Values" command. Not very fancy.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 20-04-2007 16:02 >>>
Hi Jim

Sorry, I forgot to mention that this provider is non-MySQL stuff. It is for download here:

  http://luggle.com/~sean 

I better address my question to the author ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-04-2007 21:35 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I did not know there were OLE DB drivers for MySQL that would run through
Access... only ODBC drivers. There are a number of .Net examples but I do
not believe they are cross-compatible. This may not be the case as I was
working with such a configuration but it was about 4 or 5 years ago and
things should have progressed since then.

I have seen a configuration example... not tried. It shows "Provider=MySQL
Provider" code looking like "Provider=MySQLProv".

Below is a list of links to the latest software pieces:

1. MySQL - latest version from http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
2. MySQLODBC (reqd for Access to MySQL) - http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
3. MyOLEDB - http://www.mysql.com/downloads (should be MySQLProv.2.5)
4. WinMySQLAdmin - http://www.mysql.com/downloads 
5. Access To MySQL -
http://www.mysql.com/downloads/win32/myaccess2000_1_4.zip 
 
HTH

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OLE DB provider, AddNew doesn't add record to MySQL table

Hi all

In A2003, if I try to add a record to a MySQL table via the OLE DB provider,
nothing happens. No errors, it runs fine, but no record added.
Any ideas why?

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst     As ADODB.Recordset
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

  cnn.ConnectionString = "Provider=MySQL Provider;Data
Source=10.20.30.40;User ID=root;Password=password;Initial
Catalog=TestDb;Mode=Read|Write"
  cnn.Open
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseClient

  With rst
    .Open "Select * From tblSample", cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic
    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      .AddNew
        .Fields(1).Value = "Some text"
      .Update
    Next
    .Close
  End With
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

If I link the table (via ODBC) and run an append query, records are appended
as expected.

/gustav




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 22 06:25:21 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:25:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>
References: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <462B4621.24380.D594DA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Apr 2007 at 12:01, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> It's worse. It has only limited functionality.
> Quoting myself from 2002-02-19 where J?rgen had brought up how to use
> FindFirstChangeNotification:
> 
> <quote>
> The problem I have with this is that it does not seem to be very
> accurate. If a bunch of small files are copied then the event fires only a
> couple of times;

That will happen especially if you are monitoring  the 
FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE or the FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE  events. 
(Probably  the more common ones in practice)
<quote>
 The operating system detects a change in file size only when the file is 
written to the disk. For operating systems that use extensive caching, 
detection occurs only when the cache is sufficiently flushed.
</quote>
<quote>
The operating system detects a change to the last write-time only when the 
file is written to the disk
</quote>

-- 
Stuart





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 22 06:27:32 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:27:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
In-Reply-To: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>
References: <s62b4e94.027@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <462B46A4.23315.D5B4C16@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

> 
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-04-2007 21:37 >>>
> Thanks for that.  I just checked out this solution and while it does
> function, it appears to have some serious limitations, specifically that it
> can only monitor one directory, 

It will monitor a complete directory tree is you set the bWatchSubtree 
flag.



-- 
Stuart




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 22 06:56:16 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:56:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Cool stuff - was RE:  using a dtsx in .Net
Message-ID: <s62b698f.030@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Yes, that was the case.
By second thought, it wouldn't take that much to load the list of files of the directory under observation into an array or collection at launch, then when "something happens" reread that list and pull out the new entries.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 22-04-2007 13:25 >>>
On 22 Apr 2007 at 12:01, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> It's worse. It has only limited functionality.
> Quoting myself from 2002-02-19 where J?rgen had brought up how to use
> FindFirstChangeNotification:
> 
> <quote>
> The problem I have with this is that it does not seem to be very
> accurate. If a bunch of small files are copied then the event fires only a
> couple of times;

That will happen especially if you are monitoring  the 
FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE or the FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE  events. 
(Probably  the more common ones in practice)
<quote>
 The operating system detects a change in file size only when the file is 
written to the disk. For operating systems that use extensive caching, 
detection occurs only when the cache is sufficiently flushed.
</quote>
<quote>
The operating system detects a change to the last write-time only when the 
file is written to the disk
</quote>

-- 
Stuart




From pcs at azizaz.com  Sun Apr 22 08:39:26 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Hansen, Professional Computer Systems)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:39:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE:
	usingadtsxin	.Net
References: <000a01c78384$2af74b80$657aa8c0@m6805><000201c783c1$478eb4d0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000501c783c3$aed0a840$657aa8c0@m6805><462A4A65.3030303@shaw.ca><003801c7844c$84d1a060$657aa8c0@m6805><003901c78452$4e69cdd0$657aa8c0@m6805><462A95A4.3040901@shaw.ca><004201c7846b$f3047070$657aa8c0@m6805><04e401c7847d$e61da770$fa10a8c0@Albatross>
	<004301c78496$d4f90980$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <050a01c784e3$a5bf78a0$fa10a8c0@Albatross>

Jon,
Thanks for taking the time to respond...
This may be of interest :
Access the File System with .NET Framework Classes from Visual Basic 6
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364070(vs.80).aspx

borge


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DirWatcher - was RE: Cool stuff - was RE: usingadtsxin .Net


Borge,

This all started when I watched a webcast video from a series that MS is
publishing.  They all seemed aimed at nudging VB6 folks to start using
VB.Net.  I am not a VB6 person, perhaps unfortunately.  




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr 22 14:44:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:44:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
Message-ID: <004d01c78516$aab2ae80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Apr 22 17:00:56 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:00:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <004d01c78516$aab2ae80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004d01c78516$aab2ae80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <462BDB18.5046.F9F2FDE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Apr 2007 at 12:44, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access  wrote:

> Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
> when you create a new message?

Gues you'd have to create a VBA macro in Outlook and set the Item.BCC 
property  in the Item_Send event


Of course if you use Pegasus Mail,  you can set it for each identity 
separately under the Sending Mail preferences :-)








-- 
Stuart




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Apr 22 17:23:42 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:23:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <462BDB18.5046.F9F2FDE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <005501c7852c$e27fccb0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Stuart:

Well I cribbed this of the net:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

But don't have a clue how to implement it.

Looks like I'll be learning something new this week.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On 22 Apr 2007 at 12:44, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access  wrote:

> Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
> Outlook when you create a new message?

Gues you'd have to create a VBA macro in Outlook and set the Item.BCC
property  in the Item_Send event


Of course if you use Pegasus Mail,  you can set it for each identity 
separately under the Sending Mail preferences :-)








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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr 22 22:56:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:56:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <000301c7855b$5c12e9d0$657aa8c0@m6805>

I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 23 04:15:50 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:15:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 23 07:08:33 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:08:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with spaces
between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e. 'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that
reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even
using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run
a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from
the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length
records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it
is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Apr 23 07:16:13 2007
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:16:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <017901c78317$1fa6f3b0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk><1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com><200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net><0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com><46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca><0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com><4628112A.6080702@shaw.ca>
	<017901c78317$1fa6f3b0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
Message-ID: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB442@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>

I'll second that. 


Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6

Marty,
when will be your MVP announcement?
Regards,
    Ervin
----- Original Message -----
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6


> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Dim mcolRate As Collection
> Sub testxml()
>  Set mcolRate = New Collection
> 'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
> ' via XPath
>
> GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
>
> Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
> MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
> End Sub
> Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
>  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html
>
> 'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
> 'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.
>
>  'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
>    'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>    'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
>    Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>    Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
>    Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
>    Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
>    Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
>    Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
>     Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
>    Dim Mydb As Database
>    Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
>    Dim sTempValue As String
>
>    Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>
>    oDOMDocument.async = False
>    oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for
errors
>    oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
>    oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
>
>    'use if xml disk file
>      If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
>        MsgBox ("XML File error")
>             Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
>        DOMParseError xPError
>
>       End If
>   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>     Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml
>
>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>
>  ' Set oNodeList = 
> oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
>  Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
>
>     Debug.Print oNodeList.length
>
>    For Each oNode In oNodeList
>
>      '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
>
>        Select Case oNode.nodeName
>            Case "currency"
>                 sTempValue = oNode.Text
>
>            Case "rate"
>             'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
>                On Error Resume Next
>                 mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
>                 mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
>                   Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
>                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>
>        End Select
>
>      Next
>    Set oNodeList = Nothing
>    Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
>    Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
>    Exit Function
>
> ErrorHandler:
>
>  '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)
>
> End Function
> Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)
>
>    ' The document failed to load.
>    Dim strErrText As String
>    ' Obtain the ParseError object
>    With xPE
>    strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
>        "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
>        "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
>        "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
>        "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
>        "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
>        "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
>        "Document URL: " & .url
>    End With
>    Debug.Print strErrText
>
>  Dim s As String
>  Dim r As String
>  Dim i As Long
>
>   s = ""
>  For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
>    s = s & " "
>  Next
>  r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
>  Debug.Print r
>    'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml
file
>  If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
>    r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf &
_
>         xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
>  End If
>  Debug.Print r
>    MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
> End Sub
>
>
> Jim DeMarco wrote:
>
>>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>>
>>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of
differences
>>betweent the two do you think?
>>
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>>
>>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples
in
>>VBA
>>
>>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>>
>> XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it
serves
>>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>>
>>XQuery example
>>
>>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>>
>>                          & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID =
@CustomerID"
>>
>>
>>XPath example
>>
>>    Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>>   'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>>   Set oNodeList =
>>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>>
>>Have a look at
>>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>>
>>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>>
>>
>>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>>
>>>Hello All,
>>>
>>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I
hope
>>>someone can help with.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
>>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
>>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>>
>>>Any short code snip will do.
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>Jim DeMarco
>>>
>>>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr 23 10:10:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:10:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <004d01c78516$aab2ae80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 11:01:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:01:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <008801c785c0$ae09a070$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr 23 11:38:53 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:38:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <008801c785c0$ae09a070$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 11:50:41 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:50:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next and
Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list' to
select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 23 11:56:45 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:56:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B21DDD0C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C23@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Wouldn't it be easier to just add a custom button to Outlook to pop the
Admin Assistant into the Bcc for each email she wants to apply it to?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule
wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc
her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next
and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list'
to select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing
addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 12:17:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:17:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C23@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00c101c785cb$42b4a9e0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Charlotte:

Too easy.  But I couldn't figure out how to do it.  Checked the Customize
commands but didn't see anything obvious.   How do you do that?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Wouldn't it be easier to just add a custom button to Outlook to pop the
Admin Assistant into the Bcc for each email she wants to apply it to?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc
her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next and
Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list'
to select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr 23 12:26:17 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:26:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B19F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Hmmmm, good point.  Another option would be to have the lawyer link
outlook to a folder in her assistants account (easier if on an Exchange
server, if they are using .pst's, may not work), and use the move to
folder action.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule
wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc
her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next
and
Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list'
to
select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing
addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
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Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Apr 23 12:54:09 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:54:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000001c785d0$66cea920$c9e1d355@minster33c3r25>

Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option
ticked doesn't she?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
> Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
> The rule wizard
> seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
> wants to Bcc her
> admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
> 
> Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
> 
> Click New Rule
> 
> Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
> 
> Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
> 
> Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
> 
> (Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The 
> last Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
> 
> Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
> 
> In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or 
> distribution list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
> 
> Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions 
> that you can apply to your rule)
> 
> Click Finish
> 
> All done!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
> That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs 
> outgoing addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing 
> it somewhere?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field 
> in Outlook when you create a new message?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 13:01:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:01:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <000001c785d0$66cea920$c9e1d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00d601c785d1$621a5360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every email
that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she was looking
for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in the Bcc line on
every email.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option
ticked doesn't she?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
> Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
> The rule wizard
> seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
> wants to Bcc her
> admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
> 
> Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
> 
> Click New Rule
> 
> Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
> 
> Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
> 
> Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
> 
> (Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
> Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
> 
> Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
> 
> In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
> list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
> 
> Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
> can apply to your rule)
> 
> Click Finish
> 
> All done!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
> at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
> That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
> addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
> at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
> Outlook when you create a new message?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Apr 23 13:05:39 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:05:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query returns only some results
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32202A02BC1@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

When I run the following query it returns results for only some
patterns. An example is Pattern 111-1. Below the query is a listing of
some of the data for Pattern 111-1. I have also tried min in place of
first. I cannot seem to see why I am getting no results for this
pattern.

 

SELECT DISTINCT Daily_Appended_Audit.Pattern,
First(Daily_Appended_Audit.Date) AS FirstOfDate

FROM Daily_Appended_Audit

WHERE (((Daily_Appended_Audit.[Inject Fluid])="Water") AND
((Daily_Appended_Audit.BWIPD)>0))

GROUP BY Daily_Appended_Audit.Pattern

HAVING (((First(Daily_Appended_Audit.Date))>Date()-2));

 

qry First Date of Water Injection after Today

Pattern

Date

111-1

4/20/2006

111-1

4/21/2006

111-1

4/22/2006

111-1

4/23/2006

111-1

4/24/2006

111-1

4/25/2006

111-1

4/26/2006

111-1

4/27/2006

111-1

4/28/2006

111-1

4/29/2006

111-1

4/30/2006

111-1

5/1/2006

111-1

5/2/2006

111-1

5/3/2006

111-1

5/4/2006

111-1

5/5/2006

111-1

5/6/2006

111-1

5/7/2006

111-1

5/8/2006

111-1

5/9/2006

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Mon Apr 23 13:09:33 2007
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:09:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
References: <00ac01c785c7$872fee80$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015F7DDB@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>

There is an option in Rules to check messages after they are sent, and
then send copy to another person.   Does this help? 


Thanks, 


Liz 


Liz Doering
elizabeth.j.doering at wellsfargo.com
612.667.2447


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  The rule
wizard
seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person wants to Bcc
her
admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.

Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts

Click New Rule

Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)

Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.

Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)

(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last Next
and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)

Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.

In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution list'
to select the address you want the copy sent too.

Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you can
apply to your rule)

Click Finish

All done!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing
addresses.
Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC


 

Dear List:

Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in Outlook
when you create a new message?

TIA

Rocky



 	

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Apr 23 13:26:52 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:26:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query returns only some results
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32202A02BC1@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32202A02BC1@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32202A02BD6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem solved!
Field name in source table of Date is the problem. I should know that
Date  is not a good field name to use. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Query returns only some results

When I run the following query it returns results for only some
patterns. An example is Pattern 111-1. Below the query is a listing of
some of the data for Pattern 111-1. I have also tried min in place of
first. I cannot seem to see why I am getting no results for this
pattern.

 

SELECT DISTINCT Daily_Appended_Audit.Pattern,
First(Daily_Appended_Audit.Date) AS FirstOfDate

FROM Daily_Appended_Audit

WHERE (((Daily_Appended_Audit.[Inject Fluid])="Water") AND
((Daily_Appended_Audit.BWIPD)>0))

GROUP BY Daily_Appended_Audit.Pattern

HAVING (((First(Daily_Appended_Audit.Date))>Date()-2));

 

qry First Date of Water Injection after Today

Pattern

Date

111-1

4/20/2006

111-1

4/21/2006

111-1

4/22/2006

111-1

4/23/2006

111-1

4/24/2006

111-1

4/25/2006

111-1

4/26/2006

111-1

4/27/2006

111-1

4/28/2006

111-1

4/29/2006

111-1

4/30/2006

111-1

5/1/2006

111-1

5/2/2006

111-1

5/3/2006

111-1

5/4/2006

111-1

5/5/2006

111-1

5/6/2006

111-1

5/7/2006

111-1

5/8/2006

111-1

5/9/2006

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 16:58:57 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:58:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <00d601c785d1$621a5360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00d601c785d1$621a5360$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <462D2C21.5050209@shaw.ca>

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every email
>that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she was looking
>for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in the Bcc line on
>every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 23 18:03:12 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:03:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <462D2C21.5050209@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 23 18:13:05 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:13:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk> <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped off
of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that pulls
the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with spaces
between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e. 'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that
reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even
using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run
a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from
the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length
records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it
is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr 23 18:57:51 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:57:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B23C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop
down box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down
will then have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never
put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to
the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Apr 23 19:01:27 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:01:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk> <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <004401c78603$b4fc5c90$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

John,

Check out FileHelpers 2.0 http://filehelpers.sourceforge.net/ and see if
that will help you.

Also, it sounds like BCP in SQL server would be a better candidate to get
the data into SQL in a bulk manner.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped off
of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that pulls
the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with spaces
between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e. 'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that
reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even
using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run
a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from
the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length
records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it
is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 23 19:01:00 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:01:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk> <001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn
the fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces
stripped off of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second
for the conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and
linked the file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append
query that pulls the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the
SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better
than 500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take
weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with
spaces between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e.
'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found
that reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second
even using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then
run a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the
data from the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server
table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed
length records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at
least it is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need
to change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table /
append, and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of
course I can simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard
again, however this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of
the field name / field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or
should I just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to
import into the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The
last time I did this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files
from the original fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around
the barn but then again I do not see how this wizard is really very
useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 19:58:44 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:58:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Express Orcas CTP is released April 21
In-Reply-To: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <462D5644.1060009@shaw.ca>

Visual Studio Express Orcas CTP is released April 21.
Community Technology Preview Beta

The Orcas version of VB.NET Express is available and will run on WinXP
and Vista
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/future/default.aspx

What is new?

LINQ, Windows Presentation Foundation, improvements in the CLR,
Windows Communication Foundation and Windows Workflow Foundation
May need Net Framework 3.5

Will LINQ replace XQuery or is it an enhancement?

LINQ aims to reduce complexity for developers through a set
of extensions to the C# and Visual Basic programming languages
as well as the Microsoft .NET Framework which provide integrated
querying for objects, databases and XML data.
 Using LINQ, developers will be able to write queries natively in C# or 
Visual Basic
without having to use specialized languages, such as Structured Query 
Language (SQL) and XPath.


An Overview of Microsoft Visual Studio Code Name "Orcas" White Paper
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=17319EB4-299C-43B8-A360-A1C2BD6A421B&displaylang=en


The Beta 1 download for Visual Studio codename "Orcas"
is available immediately for MSDN subscribers and
the public download will be available soon. And yes, it will install on 
Vista
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa700831.aspx

Here is download could be 5 Gig

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=36B6609E-6F3D-40F4-8C7D-AD111679D8DC&displaylang=en

-- 
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Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 20:03:36 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:03:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
In-Reply-To: <0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB442@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
References: <20070419144605.592A82B8B5C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<1C2084FD2472124AB1812A5476EA3B7A015A0E0B@msgswbmnmsp04.wellsfargo.com>
	<200704191517.l3JFHOx19027@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB375@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<46279FE9.6060806@shaw.ca>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB399@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
	<4628112A.6080702@shaw.ca> <017901c78317$1fa6f3b0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
	<0B8880A20E2CF24280FA60901E108FB05AB442@TTNEXCHSVR.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <462D5768.1090508@shaw.ca>

Maybe when I finally get around to getting my IBM XML certification
if they don't stop moving the goal posts. Last time I went to try it,
they changed the exam and dropped XSL patterns as obsolete
after I finally figured them out and the penny dropped..

Yeah now I have to find out the differences between XQuery and LINQ.
NetFramework 3.5 is now out with changes to VSTO.


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>I'll second that. 
>
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:42 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>Marty,
>when will be your MVP announcement?
>Regards,
>    Ervin
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>
>
>  
>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Dim mcolRate As Collection
>>Sub testxml()
>> Set mcolRate = New Collection
>>'find daily US dollar fixed rate vs Euro from Euro Central Bank
>>' via XPath
>>
>>GrabXMLFile ("http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml")
>>
>>Debug.Print mcolRate("USD")
>>MsgBox "US Euro Rate ECB " & mcolRate("USD")
>>End Sub
>>Public Function GrabXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String)
>> 'http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html
>>
>>'Base currency is Euro so will have to do a conversion for USD
>>'Note the link for other pages with sources for XML etc.
>>
>> 'http://www.ecb.int/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
>>   'On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>>   'needs reference set to XML 4.0 and maybe ADO 2.8
>>   Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>>   Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList
>>   Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode
>>   Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement
>>   Dim oNode As IXMLDOMNode
>>   Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap
>>    Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError
>>   Dim Mydb As Database
>>   Dim myrs As ADODB.Recordset
>>   Dim sTempValue As String
>>
>>   Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40
>>
>>   oDOMDocument.async = False
>>   oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for
>>    
>>
>errors
>  
>
>>   oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False
>>   oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True
>>
>>   'use if xml disk file
>>     If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then
>>       MsgBox ("XML File error")
>>            Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError
>>       DOMParseError xPError
>>
>>      End If
>>  Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>>    Debug.Print oDOMDocument.xml
>>
>>  'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>>
>> ' Set oNodeList = 
>>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("Envelope/Cube/Cube/@*")
>> Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//@*")
>>
>>    Debug.Print oNodeList.length
>>
>>   For Each oNode In oNodeList
>>
>>     '  Debug.Print "*" & oNode.Text; oNode.nodeName & "*"
>>
>>       Select Case oNode.nodeName
>>           Case "currency"
>>                sTempValue = oNode.Text
>>
>>           Case "rate"
>>            'This path is used to store a variable on the collection
>>               On Error Resume Next
>>                mcolRate.Remove sTempValue
>>                mcolRate.Add oNode.Text, sTempValue
>>                  Debug.Print sTempValue & " rate " & oNode.Text
>>               On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
>>
>>       End Select
>>
>>     Next
>>   Set oNodeList = Nothing
>>   Set oDOMDocument = Nothing
>>   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing
>>   Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing
>>   Exit Function
>>
>>ErrorHandler:
>>
>> '  Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description)
>>
>>End Function
>>Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError)
>>
>>   ' The document failed to load.
>>   Dim strErrText As String
>>   ' Obtain the ParseError object
>>   With xPE
>>   strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _
>>       "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _
>>       "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _
>>       "Document URL: " & .url
>>   End With
>>   Debug.Print strErrText
>>
>> Dim s As String
>> Dim r As String
>> Dim i As Long
>>
>>  s = ""
>> For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1
>>   s = s & " "
>> Next
>> r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason
>> Debug.Print r
>>   'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml
>>    
>>
>file
>  
>
>> If (xPE.Line > 0) Then
>>   r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf &
>>    
>>
>_
>  
>
>>        xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
>> End If
>> Debug.Print r
>>   MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation
>>End Sub
>>
>>
>>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Thanks Marty.  I'll pass this on to my team.
>>>
>>>We're using XQuery but we're not strongly tied to it.  I had mentioned
>>>XPath but I thought that was used to access one piece of data (or one
>>>related set of nodes out of a structure).  We need to  return select
>>>nodes based on criteria.  Is this an accurate description of
>>>      
>>>
>differences
>  
>
>>>betweent the two do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>      
>>>
>MartyConnelly
>  
>
>>>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:59 PM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] XQuery in VB 6
>>>
>>>I have only used XQuery with SQL 2005 & VB.Net I have XPath examples
>>>      
>>>
>in
>  
>
>>>VBA
>>>
>>>Are you using XQuery or XPath?
>>>
>>>XPath is imbedded in both XSLT and XQuery. In those languages it
>>>      
>>>
>serves
>  
>
>>>the role of node-set identification (selection)
>>>
>>>XQuery example
>>>
>>>Dim sql_getbank As String = "SELECT
>>>Demographics.query('data(//BankName)') " _
>>>
>>>                         & "FROM Store WHERE CustomerID =
>>>      
>>>
>@CustomerID"
>  
>
>>>XPath example
>>>
>>>   Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement
>>>  'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes
>>>  Set oNodeList =
>>>oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*")
>>>
>>>Have a look at
>>>SQL Server 2005 XQuery and XML-DML - Part 2 By Alex Homer
>>>
>>>http://www.15seconds.com/issue/050811.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>Jim DeMarco wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>X-posted AccessD, VB
>>>>
>>>>Hello All,
>>>>
>>>>I've been absent for a while but an issue has just come up that I
>>>>        
>>>>
>hope
>  
>
>>>>someone can help with.
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone have any VB 6 code that uses XQuery to return a set of
>>>>nodes?  I find plenty of XQuery examples that show the query and the
>>>>returned nodes but no VB 6 implementation.
>>>>
>>>>Any short code snip will do.
>>>>
>>>>TIA,
>>>>
>>>>Jim DeMarco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>-- 
>>Marty Connelly
>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
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>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date:
>>    
>>
>4/1/2007 
>  
>
>>8:49 PM
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 23 20:09:04 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:09:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <010201c785fb$92401ff0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <462D58B0.9040107@shaw.ca>

I haven't got Outlook on this machine but I think,
there is a built-in ThisOutlookSession module in Outlook VBA.
Just place in there.

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Marty:
>
>You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
>any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
>Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?
>
>Rocky
> 
>
>
>
>
> 	
>	
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>This site says you have to do through VBA code.
>or use third party add-in
>http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm
>
>To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
>http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm
>
>Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>>the Bcc line on every email.
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>>ticked doesn't she?
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>>The rule wizard
>>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>>wants to Bcc her
>>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>>
>>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>>
>>>Click New Rule
>>>
>>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>>
>>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>>
>>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>>
>>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>>
>>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>>
>>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>>
>>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>>can apply to your rule)
>>>
>>>Click Finish
>>>
>>>All done!
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>>at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>	
>>>	
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin 
>>>at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear List:
>>>
>>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
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>
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>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 23 20:29:03 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:29:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk>
	<001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805><000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000101c7860f$f2bd6b80$657aa8c0@m6805>

>Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??

LOL, not at all. If I figure this out, it could turn into thousands of
dollars a month in recurring income.  We like recurring income!


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped off
of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that pulls
the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Apr 23 22:23:40 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:23:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk><001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805><000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<000101c7860f$f2bd6b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000701c7861f$f53cf730$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...recurring income ...the holy grail of every independent :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


> >Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
>
> LOL, not at all. If I figure this out, it could turn into thousands of
> dollars a month in recurring income.  We like recurring income!
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:01 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>
> Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
> LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>
> Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
> fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped 
> off
> of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
> conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
> file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that 
> pulls
> the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.
>
> Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
> 500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.
>
> I have ~ 100 million records to convert so...
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Apr 24 02:03:33 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:03:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <s62c9578.042@cactus.dk><001401c785a0$1d855f50$657aa8c0@m6805><000001c785fc$f3a4dff0$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><000101c7860f$f2bd6b80$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000701c7861f$f53cf730$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <001601c7863e$ad150a00$6501a8c0@office>

....I second that. For the first time (ever I think for me) it apears that I may actually have an 'on sale' of something I have already written. Hallelujah.....

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


  ...recurring income ...the holy grail of every independent :)

  William Hindman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


  > >Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
  >
  > LOL, not at all. If I figure this out, it could turn into thousands of
  > dollars a month in recurring income.  We like recurring income!
  >
  >
  > John W. Colby
  > Colby Consulting
  > www.ColbyConsulting.com
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
  > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:01 PM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
  >
  > Have you thought about leaving town with no forwarding address instead??
  > LOL
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
  > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:13 PM
  > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
  >
  > Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
  > fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped 
  > off
  > of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
  > conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
  > file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that 
  > pulls
  > the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.
  >
  > Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
  > 500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.
  >
  > I have ~ 100 million records to convert so...
  >
  > John W. Colby
  > Colby Consulting
  > www.ColbyConsulting.com
  >
  >
  > -- 
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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Tue Apr 24 02:28:22 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:28:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
Message-ID: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms and 
12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which 
produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO WAY 
TO CANCEL IT!  

Guess what, all the conditional formats are now black-on-defaultbackground.

Recovered the backup taken 30 minutes ago, still the same.  Went back to this 
mornings backup, still the same. Changed the display mode back to normal XP 
defaults, ... still the same.

1. Has anyone got any idea how to fix this?
2. Can anyone give me the home address of the M$ MORON who did this to me?

-- 
regards

Bruce


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 03:33:52 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:33:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62ddd35.067@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Having the csv files created, I see no reason to use Access to guide the import to SQL Server. Either BCP, as Bobby mentions, or a bulk statement-  which you could adjust on the fly as a pass-through query - could be used at much higher speed:

  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187042.aspx 

though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post): 50k records/s

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-2007 01:13 >>>
Well, it took about three hours to build an Access VBA system to turn the
fixed width file into a CSV with the leading / trailing spaces stripped off
of every field.  The code runs about 2.5 K records / second for the
conversion portion.  I name the CSV file with a fixed name and linked the
file to Access, so once that is done I run a simple append query that pulls
the data back out of the CSV and appends it into the SQL Server table.  

Unfortunately the append to SQL process is running at a little better than
500 records / second.  I have to figure that out or this will take weeks.

I have ~ 100 million records to convert so... 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Yea, a code "preprocessor" just seems to be the answer.  No one on these
lists have ever proposed a good (non code) solution for this particular
problem.  

The fixed width flat file just sucks as an import specification.  It
requires an external file to tell you the field names and field widths.
Even once you know that it leaves you with data in the fields with spaces
between the end of the data and the end of the field width, i.e. 'John' in a
first name field 25 spaces wide is actually 'John                     '.
Unless you strip off the spaces you end up with a HUGE database where
indexes are huge and matches with external data are difficult.

But it is what is used in the industry I am dealing with. 

Suck it up and move on I guess.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

I think that wizards are mostly for one-time or simple repeated tasks.

However, do you remember my observation from last year:

<quote>
>> 2006-05-05 20:59
Subject: MySQL insert records

When inserting records by a pass-through query from Access, I've found that
reading the records off a text file using 

  LOAD DATA INFILE 
    '../data/test.txt'
  INTO TABLE 
    tempload

into an empty non-indexed table runs at about 50,000 records per second even
using very modest hardware.
This is way faster than any normal "Insert Into ... " I've tried.

However, it's a bit clumsy first to have to write the data to a file.
Any comments or suggestions?
</quote>

You should be able to do so if not from T-SQL then from Access, and then run
a modifiable import and append query in SQL Server which reads the data from
the MySQL table and appends them to the internal SQL Server table.
But - as you have already done the mechanics for converting the fixed length
records files to csv files - that route may be faster for you; at least it
is proven.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 23-04-2007 05:56 >>>
I saved an import spec from the import wizard in SQL Server 2005.  I now
need to use that import spec in VB.Net, but I need to modify it.  I need to
change the source file, make it an append instead of a make table / append,
and I need to modify the datatype from NVarchar to varchar.  Of course I can
simply go back in to SQL Server and run the import wizard again, however
this is a fixed width file which means recreating all of the field name /
field width info a second time.
 
Is it possible to just do these mods on the existing import spec or should I
just bite the bullet and rebuild.  I have ~ sixty more files to import into
the table and I really don't want to do this 60 times.  The last time I did
this I actually built an Access app to create .csv files from the original
fixed width files.  It seems like the long way around the barn but then
again I do not see how this wizard is really very useful in this case.
 
Anyone?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr 24 06:58:37 2007
From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:58:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] CreateObject to open Outlook
Message-ID: <003e01c78667$e50f5810$6401a8c0@XPcomputer>

Access 2000/XP/2003 with Outlook 2003

I have a procedure that creates an email in Outlook using late binding.
The initial code is as follows

    Set objOutlook = GetObject(, "Outlook.Application")
    If Err.Number = 429 Then Set objOutlook =
CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

    Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(0)


This code has been working correctly for years until recently.   Now I am
getting the error "Object variable or With block variable not set."    The
error is occuring on the 3rd line -- if Outlook is not open, it correctly
executes the If then statement, but I then get an error on the 3rd line.
If Outlook is already open, the code runs correctly.

This code is still working correctly on my laptop.   The last time I know it
worked on my desktop was several weeks ago.

My laptop has Outlook 2003  SP1.
My desktop has Outlook 2003  SP2.    It's had automated Window updates in
the last couple of weeks.

Does anyone know how to solve this issue, other than opening Outlook first?


Thanks
Carolyn Johnson



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 07:11:33 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:11:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62ddd35.067@cactus.dk>
References: <s62ddd35.067@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002d01c78669$b39ac060$657aa8c0@m6805>

Gustav,

I found a syntax for SQL Server that, executed directly, allows me to do the
import from inside of SQL Server.

SELECT * 
FROM
OPENROWSET( 'MSDASQL',
		'Driver=(Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt, *.csv));
		DEFAULTDIR=d:\YadaYada;Extensions=CSV;',
		'SELECT * FROM NAR_CA1N.CSV')

This syntax directly opens a dataset, which can then be fed into an INSERT
statement as the "data clause".

It works, I have done so.  I have no idea how fast it is, but not
particularly I suspect.  One thing I have to go do is look at the log files
and see if I need to turn off logging.  

Another thing I need to do is TURN OFF the windows updates, which rebooted
my machine in the middle of the night last night!!!  If I have no logging, I
certainly don't want Windows rebooting itself in the middle of an import.

>though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post):
50k records/s

What are you suggesting with this?  That I set up MySQL on this machine just
to do the imports and then import the data out of MySQL into SQL Server?  It
seems that with as many problems as I have getting up to speed on SQL Server
I am doubling my problems trying to install another entire database server
and learn it as well.  I understand that you know and love MySQL but I am
pretty certain I have enough problems already without adding MySQL to my
plate.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Having the csv files created, I see no reason to use Access to guide the
import to SQL Server. Either BCP, as Bobby mentions, or a bulk statement-
which you could adjust on the fly as a pass-through query - could be used at
much higher speed:

  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187042.aspx 

though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post):
50k records/s

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 07:53:53 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:53:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62e1a23.082@cactus.dk>

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-2007 14:11 >>>
Gustav,

I found a syntax for SQL Server that, executed directly, allows me to do the
import from inside of SQL Server.

SELECT * 
FROM
OPENROWSET( 'MSDASQL',
		'Driver=(Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt, *.csv));
		DEFAULTDIR=d:\YadaYada;Extensions=CSV;',
		'SELECT * FROM NAR_CA1N.CSV')

This syntax directly opens a dataset, which can then be fed into an INSERT
statement as the "data clause".

It works, I have done so.  I have no idea how fast it is, but not
particularly I suspect.  One thing I have to go do is look at the log files
and see if I need to turn off logging.  

Another thing I need to do is TURN OFF the windows updates, which rebooted
my machine in the middle of the night last night!!!  If I have no logging, I
certainly don't want Windows rebooting itself in the middle of an import.

>though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post):
50k records/s

What are you suggesting with this?  That I set up MySQL on this machine just
to do the imports and then import the data out of MySQL into SQL Server?  It
seems that with as many problems as I have getting up to speed on SQL Server
I am doubling my problems trying to install another entire database server
and learn it as well.  I understand that you know and love MySQL but I am
pretty certain I have enough problems already without adding MySQL to my
plate.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Having the csv files created, I see no reason to use Access to guide the
import to SQL Server. Either BCP, as Bobby mentions, or a bulk statement-
which you could adjust on the fly as a pass-through query - could be used at
much higher speed:

  http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187042.aspx 

though probably not so fast as MySQL can load data (see my previous post):
50k records/s

/gustav





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 24 08:06:21 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:06:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000601c78671$5b442ed0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Bruce,

Can't help with the home address!

I would first try to rule out that something has happened to your PC.  Put
your database on another PC to see what happens.  Do you have any other
databases that use conditional formatting?

Then on your PC, create a new small database and then see if conditional
formatting works.

You can try importing a couple of your objects to a new database.

I use conditional formatting quite a bit but haven't seen this problem.

Long term, conditional formatting can be established through code.  This
would hopefully reset your forms/reports even if your PC did this again.

Hope this helps - and good luck!
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
and 
12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which 
produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO WAY

TO CANCEL IT!  

Guess what, all the conditional formats are now black-on-defaultbackground.

Recovered the backup taken 30 minutes ago, still the same.  Went back to
this 
mornings backup, still the same. Changed the display mode back to normal XP 
defaults, ... still the same.

1. Has anyone got any idea how to fix this?
2. Can anyone give me the home address of the M$ MORON who did this to me?

-- 
regards

Bruce
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Apr 24 08:59:55 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Apr 24 09:08:50 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:08:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
CodeType     CodeId     CodeName                OrderOnForm 
Ethnicity      1        Puerto Rican                 1 
Ethnicity      2        Mexican                      2 
Ethnicity      3        Cuban                        3 
Ethnicity      4        Other Hispanic               4 
Ethnicity      5        Hispanic, Not Specified/Known5 
Ethnicity      7        Not of Hispanic Origin       6 
Ethnicity      9        Don't Know/No Answer         7 
Gender         1        Male                        10 
Gender         2        Female                      20 
Health         1        Poor                         5 
Health         2        Fair                        10 
Health         3        Good                        15 
Health         4        Very Good                   20 
Health         5        Excellent                   25 
Health         9        Don't Know/No Answer        80 

 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 09:32:44 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62e1a23.082@cactus.dk>
References: <s62e1a23.082@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Gustav,

My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
for a given file.

I have never written a stored procedure.
Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
code.

So much to learn, so little time.

Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.

And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
need to get this process automated.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be
more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO
and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from
the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize
logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't
seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you
can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for
you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true
experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these
files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without
manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 09:39:11 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:39:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain the
same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that anymore? So
all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a lookup
table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then JC's
little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not relational
structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding what
I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application in
Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and county
name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them as separate
tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his "logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see what
else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 24 09:48:52 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:48:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B23C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000301c7867f$ad2266f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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Canada

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 24 09:58:38 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:58:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <462D58B0.9040107@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000401c78681$0a76ced0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

I'm lost.  I don't see that anywhere.  I see the Application.ItemSend in the
object browser but no way to create the code.  If I just paste the code in
that I found on the web, it doesn't work. What am I missing here?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

I haven't got Outlook on this machine but I think, there is a built-in
ThisOutlookSession module in Outlook VBA.
Just place in there.

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Marty:
>
>You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never 
>put any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached 
>to the Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?
>
>Rocky
> 
>
>
>
>
> 	
>	
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>This site says you have to do through VBA code.
>or use third party add-in
>http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm
>
>To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
>http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm
>
>Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>>the Bcc line on every email.
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>>ticked doesn't she?
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>>The rule wizard
>>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>>wants to Bcc her
>>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>>
>>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>>
>>>Click New Rule
>>>
>>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>>
>>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>>
>>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>>
>>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>>
>>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>>
>>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>>
>>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>>can apply to your rule)
>>>
>>>Click Finish
>>>
>>>All done!
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>	
>>>	
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear List:
>>>
>>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 10:13:05 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:13:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain the
same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that anymore? So
all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a lookup
table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then JC's
little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not relational
structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding what
I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application in
Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and county
name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them as separate
tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his "logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see what
else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Apr 24 10:20:36 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:20:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <000301c7867f$ad2266f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B2FB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of
your Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft
Outlook as a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left
combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop
down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will
then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never
put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to
the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
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>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
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>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
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>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
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>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 10:21:03 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:21:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
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Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}  

I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access apps.
In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead
of in the database. 

Charlotte Foust

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as
it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain
the same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that
anymore? So all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a
lookup table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then
JC's little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not
relational structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and
problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see
what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 10:22:42 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:22:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62e3cff.089@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, I hope you get paid well.

Had you installed your SQL Server 2005 in "backwards compatibility mode" or whatever it is called - to behave like an SQL Server 2000 - it is my understanding that you could have created an ADP which gives you direct access to create and edit stored procedures in the SQL Server engine.
I have never done this myself so someone else might guide you here what your options are.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-2007 16:32 >>>
Gustav,

My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
for a given file.

I have never written a stored procedure.
Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
code.

So much to learn, so little time.

Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.

And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
need to get this process automated.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be
more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO
and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from
the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize
logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't
seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you
can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for
you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true
experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these
files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without
manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav




From ssharkins at setel.com  Tue Apr 24 10:30:17 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:30:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000b01c78685$76c7dad0$0432fad1@SusanOne>

Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with the
problem at hand -- sorry about that. :( 

Susan H. 

After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
and
12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO WAY
TO CANCEL IT!  




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 10:36:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:36:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>

>Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}  

Only when someone is trying to use a single record table and adding fields
to the table every day.

<grin>

>In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead of
in the database. 

I find it useful to have a copy (for my framework SysVars for example) in
the framework itself, then a copy in the FE.  The FE copy is loaded AFTER
the FW copy so overwrites the FW copy if any changes are made in the FE.
This allows me to set up the framework to have default behaviors that can be
overwritten as desired for specific Fes. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}  

I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access apps.
In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead of
in the database. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain the
same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that anymore? So
all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a lookup
table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then JC's
little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not relational
structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding what
I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application in
Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and county
name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them as separate
tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his "logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see what
else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 10:44:10 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:44:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Essentially, we do the same thing in .Net.  The xml files are the
equivalent of FE tables.  We also provide an "overwrite" methodology
that allows admins to distribute an xml file that will install and/or
lock settings on an installation so the user either doesn't have to or
can't set them.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

>Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}

Only when someone is trying to use a single record table and adding
fields to the table every day.

<grin>

>In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file 
>instead of
in the database. 

I find it useful to have a copy (for my framework SysVars for example)
in the framework itself, then a copy in the FE.  The FE copy is loaded
AFTER the FW copy so overwrites the FW copy if any changes are made in
the FE.
This allows me to set up the framework to have default behaviors that
can be overwritten as desired for specific Fes. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}  

I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access apps.
In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead
of in the database. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Ed,
My ponderings...

I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.

I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as
it
(obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain
the same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that
anymore? So all I can advise is to document, document, document!

The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a
lookup table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then
JC's little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not
relational structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and
problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my"
programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic"
here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see
what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 10:50:52 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:50:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>

He is probably an ex-FoxPro developer.
They were one of the ones that got into
doing a single table like that for all
of the lookups.

It is flat out bad design.

Show him the correct way, yours.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
>From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,      "Access Developers discussion and
>         problem solving"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9 at ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi All,
>I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
>what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
>in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
>county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
>as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
>relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
>Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
>dbo_tblCodes
>CodeType        CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
>Ethnicity       1       Puerto Rican    1
>Ethnicity       2       Mexican 2
>Ethnicity       3       Cuban   3
>Ethnicity       4       Other Hispanic  4
>Ethnicity       5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
>Ethnicity       7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
>Ethnicity       9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
>Gender  1       Male    10
>Gender  2       Female  20
>Health  1       Poor    5
>Health  2       Fair    10
>Health  3       Good    15
>Health  4       Very Good       20
>Health  5       Excellent       25
>Health  9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
>This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
>"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
>see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
>TIA
>Ed
>
>
>Edward P. Tesiny
>Assistant Director for Evaluation
>Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
>New York State OASAS
>1450 Western Ave.
>Albany, New York  12203-3526
>Phone:  (518) 485-7189
>Fax:  (518) 485-5769
>Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 10:53:22 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:53:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241554.l3OFsB3F026427@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster
is to have the CSV file on the server and not on a different
machine. Network traffic can kill the process and slow it
down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
>chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
>next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
>below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
>the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
>directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
>for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
>fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
>/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
>size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
>need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 10:55:07 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:55:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704240855t7a6f5d90nc7337197ebc8ed9a@mail.gmail.com>

For those who care about theory, this model is a definite no-no. A table
(relation) is a collection of like entities, and since there is no
observable penalty for the number of tables (unless it goes into the
thousands), then IMO it is asinine, not to mention theoretically unsound, to
use one table for several purposes.

Assuming that you choose the one-table route, then you must create views or
UDFs to isolate the collection of interest. Given the overhead involved in
doing that (and the more rows, the more overhead), what do you gain by
stuffing a bunch of unlike entities into a single table?

The whole idea IMO is incoherent and self-defeating.

My $.02.
Arthur


On 4/24/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}
>
> Only when someone is trying to use a single record table and adding fields
> to the table every day.
>
> <grin>
>
> >In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead
> of
> in the database.
>
> I find it useful to have a copy (for my framework SysVars for example) in
> the framework itself, then a copy in the FE.  The FE copy is loaded AFTER
> the FW copy so overwrites the FW copy if any changes are made in the FE.
> This allows me to set up the framework to have default behaviors that can
> be
> overwritten as desired for specific Fes.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}
>
> I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access apps.
> In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file instead
> of
> in the database.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Hi Ed,
> My ponderings...
>
> I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.
>
> I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational
> theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values as
> it
> (obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you retain
> the
> same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do that anymore?
> So
> all I can advise is to document, document, document!
>
> The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a lookup
> table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - then JC's
> little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code not
> relational
> structure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Hi All,
> I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
> what
> I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application in
> Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and county
> name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them as
> separate
> tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and relationships "my"
> programmer created.  He has one code table period!
> Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
> dbo_tblCodes
> CodeType         CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
> Ethnicity        1       Puerto Rican    1
> Ethnicity        2       Mexican         2
> Ethnicity        3       Cuban   3
> Ethnicity        4       Other Hispanic  4
> Ethnicity        5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
> Ethnicity        7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
> Ethnicity        9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
> Gender   1       Male    10
> Gender   2       Female  20
> Health   1       Poor    5
> Health   2       Fair    10
> Health   3       Good    15
> Health   4       Very Good       20
> Health   5       Excellent       25
> Health   9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
> This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his "logic"
> here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see what
> else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
> TIA
> Ed
>
>
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
> Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 10:58:01 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:58:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep
track of all the table files otherwise.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

He is probably an ex-FoxPro developer.
They were one of the ones that got into
doing a single table like that for all
of the lookups.

It is flat out bad design.

Show him the correct way, yours.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
>From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,      "Access Developers discussion
and
>         problem solving"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9 at ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi All,
>I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding

>what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an 
>application in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., 
>county code and county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider 
>Name.  I have them as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of

>the tables and relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code
table period!
>Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
>dbo_tblCodes
>CodeType        CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
>Ethnicity       1       Puerto Rican    1
>Ethnicity       2       Mexican 2
>Ethnicity       3       Cuban   3
>Ethnicity       4       Other Hispanic  4
>Ethnicity       5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
>Ethnicity       7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
>Ethnicity       9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
>Gender  1       Male    10
>Gender  2       Female  20
>Health  1       Poor    5
>Health  2       Fair    10
>Health  3       Good    15
>Health  4       Very Good       20
>Health  5       Excellent       25
>Health  9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
>This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his 
>"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate 
>to see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
>TIA
>Ed
>
>
>Edward P. Tesiny
>Assistant Director for Evaluation
>Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450

>Western Ave.
>Albany, New York  12203-3526
>Phone:  (518) 485-7189
>Fax:  (518) 485-5769
>Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 11:07:11 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:07:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <200704241554.l3OFsB3F026427@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241554.l3OFsB3F026427@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004301c7868a$9e6cd590$657aa8c0@m6805>

The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 11:07:57 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:07:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704240855t7a6f5d90nc7337197ebc8ed9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C5B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

In modern databases, it's incoherent and unnecessary.  In the databases
of 25 years ago, where every table was a separate file, it made a bit
more sesne to reduce the number of tables where possible.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

For those who care about theory, this model is a definite no-no. A table
(relation) is a collection of like entities, and since there is no
observable penalty for the number of tables (unless it goes into the
thousands), then IMO it is asinine, not to mention theoretically
unsound, to use one table for several purposes.

Assuming that you choose the one-table route, then you must create views
or UDFs to isolate the collection of interest. Given the overhead
involved in doing that (and the more rows, the more overhead), what do
you gain by stuffing a bunch of unlike entities into a single table?

The whole idea IMO is incoherent and self-defeating.

My $.02.
Arthur


On 4/24/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}
>
> Only when someone is trying to use a single record table and adding 
> fields to the table every day.
>
> <grin>
>
> >In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file 
> >instead
> of
> in the database.
>
> I find it useful to have a copy (for my framework SysVars for example)

> in the framework itself, then a copy in the FE.  The FE copy is loaded

> AFTER the FW copy so overwrites the FW copy if any changes are made in
the FE.
> This allows me to set up the framework to have default behaviors that 
> can be overwritten as desired for specific Fes.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Have you been singing its praises lately, John? ;-}
>
> I use a very similar 2 field table for the same purposes in Access
apps.
> In .Net, we generally stuff the info into a table in an xml file 
> instead of in the database.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Hi Ed,
> My ponderings...
>
> I've seen codes like this before - in a USDA database.
>
> I've seen arguments on both sides as to its compliance with relational

> theory. In any case IMO it is a confusing way to handle lookup values 
> as it
> (obviously) contains more than one type of value. As long as you 
> retain the same programmer it probably doesn't matter - but who can do

> that anymore?
> So
> all I can advise is to document, document, document!
>
> The one exception IMO for holding more than one type of value in a 
> lookup table is if the item will _never_ have more than one value - 
> then JC's little ditty works nice. In that case it is handled via code

> not relational structure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and 
> problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
> Hi All,
> I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question 
> regarding what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an

> application in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., 
> county code and county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider 
> Name.  I have them as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out 
> of the tables and relationships "my"
> programmer created.  He has one code table period!
> Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
> dbo_tblCodes
> CodeType         CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
> Ethnicity        1       Puerto Rican    1
> Ethnicity        2       Mexican         2
> Ethnicity        3       Cuban   3
> Ethnicity        4       Other Hispanic  4
> Ethnicity        5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
> Ethnicity        7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
> Ethnicity        9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
> Gender   1       Male    10
> Gender   2       Female  20
> Health   1       Poor    5
> Health   2       Fair    10
> Health   3       Good    15
> Health   4       Very Good       20
> Health   5       Excellent       25
> Health   9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
> This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic"
> here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to see 
> what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
> TIA
> Ed
>
>
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 11:09:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:09:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>
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>I think it was pretty standard for all the xBase languages because it was
so hard to keep track of all the table files otherwise.

LOL.  I got a job one time rescuing a Paradox database that was crumbling.
It had well over TWO THOUSAND files in dozens of directories.  It was not
pleasant trying to get the data out of it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep track of
all the table files otherwise.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

He is probably an ex-FoxPro developer.
They were one of the ones that got into
doing a single table like that for all
of the lookups.

It is flat out bad design.

Show him the correct way, yours.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
>From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,      "Access Developers discussion
and
>         problem solving"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9 at ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi All,
>I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding

>what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an 
>application in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., 
>county code and county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider 
>Name.  I have them as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of

>the tables and relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code
table period!
>Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
>dbo_tblCodes
>CodeType        CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
>Ethnicity       1       Puerto Rican    1
>Ethnicity       2       Mexican 2
>Ethnicity       3       Cuban   3
>Ethnicity       4       Other Hispanic  4
>Ethnicity       5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
>Ethnicity       7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
>Ethnicity       9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
>Gender  1       Male    10
>Gender  2       Female  20
>Health  1       Poor    5
>Health  2       Fair    10
>Health  3       Good    15
>Health  4       Very Good       20
>Health  5       Excellent       25
>Health  9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
>This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his 
>"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate 
>to see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
>TIA
>Ed
>
>
>Edward P. Tesiny
>Assistant Director for Evaluation
>Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450

>Western Ave.
>Albany, New York  12203-3526
>Phone:  (518) 485-7189
>Fax:  (518) 485-5769
>Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 11:13:00 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:13:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <004401c7868a$e4fdde00$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<004401c7868a$e4fdde00$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C5C@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

<shudder>  You have my deepest sympathy in retrospect!  Been there, done
that, bought the mouse pad.

Charlotte  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

>I think it was pretty standard for all the xBase languages because it 
>was
so hard to keep track of all the table files otherwise.

LOL.  I got a job one time rescuing a Paradox database that was
crumbling.
It had well over TWO THOUSAND files in dozens of directories.  It was
not pleasant trying to get the data out of it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep
track of all the table files otherwise.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

He is probably an ex-FoxPro developer.
They were one of the ones that got into
doing a single table like that for all
of the lookups.

It is flat out bad design.

Show him the correct way, yours.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:59:55 -0400
>From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,      "Access Developers discussion
and
>         problem solving"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9 at ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi All,
>I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding

>what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an 
>application in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., 
>county code and county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider 
>Name.  I have them as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of

>the tables and relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code
table period!
>Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
>dbo_tblCodes
>CodeType        CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm
>Ethnicity       1       Puerto Rican    1
>Ethnicity       2       Mexican 2
>Ethnicity       3       Cuban   3
>Ethnicity       4       Other Hispanic  4
>Ethnicity       5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5
>Ethnicity       7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6
>Ethnicity       9       Don't Know/No Answer    7
>Gender  1       Male    10
>Gender  2       Female  20
>Health  1       Poor    5
>Health  2       Fair    10
>Health  3       Good    15
>Health  4       Very Good       20
>Health  5       Excellent       25
>Health  9       Don't Know/No Answer    80
>
>This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his 
>"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate 
>to see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
>TIA
>Ed
>
>
>Edward P. Tesiny
>Assistant Director for Evaluation
>Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450

>Western Ave.
>Albany, New York  12203-3526
>Phone:  (518) 485-7189
>Fax:  (518) 485-5769
>Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 11:26:56 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:26:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <015d01c7868d$60b7fdd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yes - a code based solution to a relational theory based PITA ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Which little ditty is that?  Are you referring to SysVars? 



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 11:41:43 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:41:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704240855t7a6f5d90nc7337197ebc8ed9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><013701c7867e$53939290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><003201c78683$0fdf5200$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004001c78686$4e78fcc0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704240855t7a6f5d90nc7337197ebc8ed9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016a01c7868f$717ed010$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I think it was bad design due to the limitations of some of the DB products
of the time.

Also, another reason it was done was for the end user's sake. Basically
there would be one table with lookups and values and the user could add or
edit new lookups types and values which would be loaded to a UI form via a
DB View.  Although it could have been done using other methods, it was one
method of accomplishing something that needed to be done. I didn't like it
back then and I dislike it even more now. I migrated data from the DB
(Informix) that held this methodology into a normalized SQL Server DB - I
had to set up many filters to get the lookup tables migrated! And that
wasn't the only non-standard methodology used in the Informix DB :o(

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

For those who care about theory, this model is a definite no-no. A table
(relation) is a collection of like entities, and since there is no
observable penalty for the number of tables (unless it goes into the
thousands), then IMO it is asinine, not to mention theoretically unsound, to
use one table for several purposes.

Assuming that you choose the one-table route, then you must create views or
UDFs to isolate the collection of interest. Given the overhead involved in
doing that (and the more rows, the more overhead), what do you gain by
stuffing a bunch of unlike entities into a single table?



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 24 11:47:19 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:47:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <mailman.3368.1177428164.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200704241554.l3OFsAJI026425@databaseadvisors.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <016c01c78690$3a8a4020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yes, that could be a drag - a good reason during that era to use R:Base. It
had three files Data, Index, Notes(memo) field data.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep track of
all the table files otherwise.



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 12:20:33 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:20:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241724.l3OHO65p020120@databaseadvisors.com>

Charlotte,

Personally, my Clipper stuff was normalized. The Fox guys
thought they could get away with the bad design because of the
advantage that the Rushmore technology used in the idexing
gave to them.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:58:01 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58 at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was pretty
>standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to keep
>track of all the table files otherwise.
>
>Charlotte Foust




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 12:22:28 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:22:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241724.l3OHO6jw020122@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

Try setting up a linked server using the text files as the server files.
This would allow SQL Server to operate as if they were SQL files.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:07:11 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <004301c7868a$9e6cd590$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
>the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
>large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
>largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
>read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
>starts appending all of the assembled records.
>
>If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
>Alas, I am not.
>
>John W. Colby




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Apr 24 12:23:44 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:23:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704241729.l3OHT5it021503@databaseadvisors.com>

The real Paradox was that Paradox even worked.  :-)

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:09:10 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <004401c7868a$e4fdde00$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> >I think it was pretty standard for all the xBase languages because it was
>so hard to keep track of all the table files otherwise.
>
>LOL.  I got a job one time rescuing a Paradox database that was crumbling.
>It had well over TWO THOUSAND files in dozens of directories.  It was not
>pleasant trying to get the data out of it.
>
>John W. Colby




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Apr 24 12:33:21 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:33:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241724.l3OHO6jw020122@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869DE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

John
 
Have not worked with such large text files. But here are some links to areas with similar needs. You might pick up an idea or two.
 
http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware4/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=130552&ixReplies=16
 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms139941.aspx
 
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.sqlserver.programming/browse_thread/thread/d11a50d085985781/b16c9cc3cbbef69f%23b16c9cc3cbbef69f
 
http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/mladenp/articles/10631.aspx
 
HTH
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Apr 24 12:47:57 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:47:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <017e01c78698$b27dd350$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense in
setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are all
the same.

  And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.  They
are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a description.
That's it.  No more and no less.

  It would be a different matter if I had something like this:

Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
OnOrder Form
Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
Null  
Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
Null
Ethnicity	 1	       Puerto Rican       Null           Null
1	
Ethnicity	 2           Mexican            Null           Null
2

  Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.

  This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type, I
keep them all in the same table.

  I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.  Lot
less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be opened,
closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.

My .02
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 13:06:33 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:06:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <200704241724.l3OHO65p020120@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241724.l3OHO65p020120@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C6E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Clipper was a special case.  I never programmed in it, but I effectively
"debugged" commercial apps we used that were built in it. <groan>

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:21 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables

Charlotte,

Personally, my Clipper stuff was normalized. The Fox guys thought they
could get away with the bad design because of the advantage that the
Rushmore technology used in the idexing gave to them.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:58:01 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>
<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C58 at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>I seem to recall we did it that way in dBase too.  I think it was 
>pretty standard for all the xBase languages because it was so hard to 
>keep track of all the table files otherwise.
>
>Charlotte Foust


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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Apr 24 13:12:35 2007
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:12:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
Message-ID: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D206@jgexch1.jenkens.com>

I agree.  The only thing I would do is make sure the ID is unique regardless
of the code type.  Having a multiple field key does cause more problems.  As
I pointed out, if you want to add the functionality to the front end of
being able to define some custom combo or list boxes, custom codes are often
needed too.  This offers the ability to recycle a previous list (Yes/no is a
common recycled list) or create a new one from scratch.

I use a commercial product that uses a consolidated code table and party
table for just that reason.  It has made the interface very customizable by
a reasonably savvy end user with no programming experience and no access to
the server to add new tables.

The views of each code type are a convenience, not a necessity.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables



  Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense in
setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are all
the same.

  And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.  They
are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a description.
That's it.  No more and no less.

  It would be a different matter if I had something like this:

Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
OnOrder Form
Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
Null  
Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
Null
Ethnicity	 1	       Puerto Rican       Null           Null
1	
Ethnicity	 2           Mexican            Null           Null
2

  Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.

  This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type, I
keep them all in the same table.

  I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.  Lot
less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be opened,
closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.

My .02
Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 24 13:14:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:14:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <017e01c78698$b27dd350$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<017e01c78698$b27dd350$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258C6F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I think your approach is the cousin to John's SysVars and my
USysSettings tables, Jim.  In my USysSettings table, every value is a
string that gets translated to the appropriate datatype in the public
function that retrieves it.  I break out my multi-record lookup values
that have different structures, i.e., fields that don't apply to other
types, etc., or where they would require a multi-field key to insure
uniqueness.  If the CodeID is numeric in one set of values and a string
in another, they go in different tables anyhow.

I can see using your approach in a class to wrap the separate tables,
but I'd still want the tables broken out. :-}

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables


  Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense
in setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are
all the same.

  And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.
They are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a
description.
That's it.  No more and no less.

  It would be a different matter if I had something like this:

Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
OnOrder Form
Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
Null  
Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
Null
Ethnicity	 1	       Puerto Rican       Null           Null
1	
Ethnicity	 2           Mexican            Null           Null
2

  Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.

  This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type,
I keep them all in the same table.

  I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.
Lot less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be
opened, closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.

My .02
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:00 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and
problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.
 
dbo_tblCodes
CodeType	 CodeId	 CodeName	 OrderOnForm	
Ethnicity	 1	 Puerto Rican	 1	
Ethnicity	 2	 Mexican	 2	
Ethnicity	 3	 Cuban	 3	
Ethnicity	 4	 Other Hispanic	 4	
Ethnicity	 5	 Hispanic, Not Specified/Known	 5	
Ethnicity	 7	 Not of Hispanic Origin	 6	
Ethnicity	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 7	
Gender	 1	 Male	 10	
Gender	 2	 Female	 20	
Health	 1	 Poor	 5	
Health	 2	 Fair	 10	
Health	 3	 Good	 15	
Health	 4	 Very Good	 20	
Health	 5	 Excellent	 25	
Health	 9	 Don't Know/No Answer	 80	
 
This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed
 
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450
Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 24 13:47:43 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:47:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B243B2FB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <004201c786a1$0b4582f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 24 14:14:19 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:14:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JH000F13NXIHH60@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Here is a basic... very basic MS Windows SQL 2005 Stored Procedure
introduction video:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/3/8/b3847275-2bea-440a-8e2e-305b009
bb261/sql_12.wmv

HTH
Jim 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Gustav,

My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
for a given file.

I have never written a stored procedure.
Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
code.

So much to learn, so little time.

Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.

And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
need to get this process automated.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be
more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO
and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from
the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize
logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't
seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you
can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for
you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true
experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these
files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without
manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 24 16:15:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:15:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <0JH000F13NXIHH60@l-daemon>
References: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0@m6805> <0JH000F13NXIHH60@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <008b01c786b5$baa422b0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Thanks,

I am looking at it now.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John:

Here is a basic... very basic MS Windows SQL 2005 Stored Procedure
introduction video:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/3/8/b3847275-2bea-440a-8e2e-305b009
bb261/sql_12.wmv

HTH
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Gustav,

My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL
Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million
records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it just
chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to start the
next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query using that syntax
below into a stored procedure so that I can then just replace the file name.
After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to execute
the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a specific
directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure finishes the import
for a given file.

I have never written a stored procedure.
Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from
code.

So much to learn, so little time.

Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset of
fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for CAS / DPV
/ NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new table.

And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the same
size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I soooooo
need to get this process automated.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

That looks right. I don't know what speed to expect other than it should be
more than the typical a-couple-of-hundreds per second for inserts via DAO
and ODBC. The only tricks I know of are the well-known to drop indexes from
the receiving table during the import and - as you mention - to minimize
logging.

The reference to MySQL is just for you to have an ultimate goal. I haven't
seen or heard of anything else running at that speed, not even JET where you
can expect around 15k records/s. Of course, it should server a purpose for
you to install it, but MySQL is very easy to set up - and we have true
experts (not me) joining the list. So if you can see an idea having these
files loaded into an engine very fast, just move on.

On the other hand, if you have a night and can perform the import without
manual intervention, I think I would choose the method you have described.

/gustav

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Apr 24 16:36:05 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:36:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <mailman.1.1177434001.12862.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704241724.l3OHO6jw020122@databaseadvisors.com>
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John,

I've read through your description and see the bottlenecks.
All I can think of is that you could have this running distributed
across machines (but I know you thought of that).

Robert,

Please explain your idea a little further - how to set up.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


> John,
>
> Try setting up a linked server using the text files as the server files.
> This would allow SQL Server to operate as if they were SQL files.
>
> Robert
>
> At 12:00 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:07:11 -0400
>>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <004301c7868a$9e6cd590$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that 
>>pulls
>>the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These 
>>are
>>large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
>>largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does 
>>not
>>read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and 
>>then
>>starts appending all of the assembled records.
>>
>>If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
>>Alas, I am not.
>>
>>John W. Colby
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 17:24:23 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:24:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-07 18:07 >>>
The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 24 17:26:52 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:26:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62ea06b.095@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-07 18:07 >>>
The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby




From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Tue Apr 24 17:24:07 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:24:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <000601c78671$5b442ed0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
	<000601c78671$5b442ed0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <200704250824.09584.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

Thanks Dan,

I was pretty panicky yesterday when this happened and didn't think of going 
through the "normal" diagnostics as you suggest.  

For interest sakes, other databases with conditional formatting suffered the
same problem.  I haven't the luxury of more than one windows PC here, so I 
haven't tried step 2. 
What I did was log out and back in to see if the environment was corrupted 
somehow.  This didn't fix the problem.  Then, grasping at straws, I power 
cycled the PC.  Now its back up and the formats are all back to normal.

Much relief!  Thanks for the "calm down and think it through" suggest.  
Whatever the keystroke sequence is that sets the high res mode, it must do 
something deep inside the OS though, I cant see why logout/login wouldn't fix 
it.

As regards setting the format in code, that's what I am partway through.  
Getting the visual effect needed for the multiplicity of conditions was the 
first task and it was quicker to use the format design tool to tweak the 
various colors.

regards
Bruce
  
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 23:06, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Can't help with the home address!
>
> I would first try to rule out that something has happened to your PC.  Put
> your database on another PC to see what happens.  Do you have any other
> databases that use conditional formatting?
>
> Then on your PC, create a new small database and then see if conditional
> formatting works.
>
> You can try importing a couple of your objects to a new database.
>
> I use conditional formatting quite a bit but haven't seen this problem.
>
> Long term, conditional formatting can be established through code.  This
> would hopefully reset your forms/reports even if your PC did this again.
>
> Hope this helps - and good luck!
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
> and
> 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> WAY
>
> TO CANCEL IT!
>
> Guess what, all the conditional formats are now black-on-defaultbackground.
>
> Recovered the backup taken 30 minutes ago, still the same.  Went back to
> this
> mornings backup, still the same. Changed the display mode back to normal XP
> defaults, ... still the same.
>
> 1. Has anyone got any idea how to fix this?
> 2. Can anyone give me the home address of the M$ MORON who did this to me?
>
> --
> regards
>
> Bruce
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 24 18:06:01 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:06:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704250824.09584.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au><000601c78671$5b442ed0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<200704250824.09584.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <003901c786c5$20b17ad0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Glad to help!

I had a problem with conditional formatting a few years ago.  MS did
acknowledge that it was a bug - they even sent me a follow-up email telling
me that they weren't going to charge me for their help because I had solved
the problem myself!  :-)

The solution at the time was to multiply a numeric value in the conditional
format expression field by 1.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

Thanks Dan,

I was pretty panicky yesterday when this happened and didn't think of going 
through the "normal" diagnostics as you suggest.  

For interest sakes, other databases with conditional formatting suffered the
same problem.  I haven't the luxury of more than one windows PC here, so I 
haven't tried step 2. 
What I did was log out and back in to see if the environment was corrupted 
somehow.  This didn't fix the problem.  Then, grasping at straws, I power 
cycled the PC.  Now its back up and the formats are all back to normal.

Much relief!  Thanks for the "calm down and think it through" suggest.  
Whatever the keystroke sequence is that sets the high res mode, it must do 
something deep inside the OS though, I cant see why logout/login wouldn't
fix 
it.

As regards setting the format in code, that's what I am partway through.  
Getting the visual effect needed for the multiplicity of conditions was the 
first task and it was quicker to use the format design tool to tweak the 
various colors.

regards
Bruce
  
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 23:06, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Can't help with the home address!
>
> I would first try to rule out that something has happened to your PC.  Put
> your database on another PC to see what happens.  Do you have any other
> databases that use conditional formatting?
>
> Then on your PC, create a new small database and then see if conditional
> formatting works.
>
> You can try importing a couple of your objects to a new database.
>
> I use conditional formatting quite a bit but haven't seen this problem.
>
> Long term, conditional formatting can be established through code.  This
> would hopefully reset your forms/reports even if your PC did this again.
>
> Hope this helps - and good luck!
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
> and
> 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> WAY
>
> TO CANCEL IT!
>
> Guess what, all the conditional formats are now
black-on-defaultbackground.
>
> Recovered the backup taken 30 minutes ago, still the same.  Went back to
> this
> mornings backup, still the same. Changed the display mode back to normal
XP
> defaults, ... still the same.
>
> 1. Has anyone got any idea how to fix this?
> 2. Can anyone give me the home address of the M$ MORON who did this to me?
>
> --
> regards
>
> Bruce
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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Tue Apr 24 18:31:35 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:31:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <000b01c78685$76c7dad0$0432fad1@SusanOne>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
	<000b01c78685$76c7dad0$0432fad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

Hi Susan,

Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor for 
injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There are 
essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and statuses. 
The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and 4 
levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real 
objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's normal 
status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer" 
or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on the 
operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the object, 
its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot or 
develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm and 
stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the realtime 
stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at 
the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an overall 
view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a 
particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).

So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For 
certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector may 
need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it 
will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of course 
there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states.  Rather 
than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set 
the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this app 
to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.  

There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around 
10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up the 
major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so its 
important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by quickly 
scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The 
treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of node 
selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the fly, 
say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in etc 
etc.

Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!

regards
Bruce

 
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with the
> problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
>
> Susan H.
>
> After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
> and
> 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> WAY TO CANCEL IT!


From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Apr 24 18:51:52 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:51:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.  Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.  I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 9:59 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables



Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.

dbo_tblCodes
CodeType         CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm   
Ethnicity        1       Puerto Rican    1     
Ethnicity        2       Mexican         2     
Ethnicity        3       Cuban   3     
Ethnicity        4       Other Hispanic  4     
Ethnicity        5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5     
Ethnicity        7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6     
Ethnicity        9       Don't Know/No Answer    7     
Gender   1       Male    10    
Gender   2       Female  20    
Health   1       Poor    5     
Health   2       Fair    10    
Health   3       Good    15    
Health   4       Very Good       20    
Health   5       Excellent       25    
Health   9       Don't Know/No Answer    80    

This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed


Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Tue Apr 24 19:47:13 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:47:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>
References: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002901c786d3$44482a30$2c01a8c0@bhxp>

John, 

Did you ever check out the BCP utility in SQL Server to import the files?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files
in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL
Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command
object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of
records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to
modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-07 18:07 >>>
The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 24 20:22:23 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:22:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au><000b01c78685$76c7dad0$0432fad1@SusanOne>
	<200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <003f01c786d8$2d679710$0200a8c0@danwaters>

That's Very interesting!

How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?

Dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

Hi Susan,

Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor for 
injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There
are 
essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and statuses. 
The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and 4 
levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real 
objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's
normal 
status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer" 
or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on
the 
operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the object, 
its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot or 
develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm and 
stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the realtime 
stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at 
the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an
overall 
view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a 
particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).

So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For 
certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector may

need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it 
will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of course

there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states.  Rather

than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set 
the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this app 
to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.  

There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around 
10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up
the 
major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so
its 
important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by
quickly 
scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The 
treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of
node 
selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the fly,

say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in
etc 
etc.

Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!

regards
Bruce

 
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with
the
> problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
>
> Susan H.
>
> After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65 forms
> and
> 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> WAY TO CANCEL IT!
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From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr 24 21:58:30 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:58:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer
In-Reply-To: <015d01c7868d$60b7fdd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <010001c786e5$9b4ac5b0$7a02a8c0@LaptopXP>

I know there is an RTRIM() and LTRIM() in SQLServer, but is there one that
trims both ends, like the Access TRIM() function?

I want to do this in a SQLServer view.

John





From ebarro at verizon.net  Tue Apr 24 22:20:09 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:20:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer
In-Reply-To: <010001c786e5$9b4ac5b0$7a02a8c0@LaptopXP>
Message-ID: <0JH1005DDALREVGP@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

SELECT LTRIM(RTRIM(' foo ')) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer

I know there is an RTRIM() and LTRIM() in SQLServer, but is there one that
trims both ends, like the Access TRIM() function?

I want to do this in a SQLServer view.

John



 



From askolits at ot.com  Tue Apr 24 22:25:15 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:25:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer
In-Reply-To: <0JH1005DDALREVGP@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <010901c786e9$5791bfa0$7a02a8c0@LaptopXP>

Yep, Makes sense. Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer

SELECT LTRIM(RTRIM(' foo ')) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Trim function in SqlServer

I know there is an RTRIM() and LTRIM() in SQLServer, but is there one that
trims both ends, like the Access TRIM() function?

I want to do this in a SQLServer view.

John



 

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From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Wed Apr 25 05:15:55 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:15:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <003f01c786d8$2d679710$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
	<200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
	<003f01c786d8$2d679710$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <200704252015.56198.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

Ah now that's a real tricky piece of work. :-)  

Basically the realtime monitors log every measurement they make (~26-46 per 
minute) to a text file with the first 20 bytes being a DTS.  All I'm doing is 
everytime this app gets invoked is to read the log file, ignore anything that 
is less than the "last stamp I know of" and process the rest.  Tricky eh! and 
now I've told you, I'm afraid I'll have to ....

Sometimes simple is best.  Dont forget, these people open the app 1 or 2 times 
per shift, check things out and close it.  It's not doing or pretending to be 
am "active" monitor, just something to make the operator's life a bit easier 
than walking around a 2 acre floor, taking and logging readings, correlating 
them to the current job mix, checking the mix against the 
schedule.........etc etc.    Actually, these guys spend most of their shift 
walking the floor.  Apart from die jams, which happen every couple of hours 
or so, most of the time they ...  wait for it

essentially use their faces to detect if anything is slightly aberrent.

That is, these people can "just tell" by walking past a machine line whether 
it sounds, smells, looks and feels like its going full bore and OK.  

Currently, we are working on "feels", i.e the operating temps amd feed rates. 
If I can get into the "sounds, smells and looks" regime. I'll be applying for 
patents and making an aggressive takeover for M$ ... :-)

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:22, Dan Waters wrote:
> That's Very interesting!
>
> How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor for
> injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There
> are
> essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and statuses.
> The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and 4
> levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real
> objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's
> normal
> status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer"
> or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on
> the
> operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the object,
> its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot or
> develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm and
> stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the realtime
> stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at
> the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an
> overall
> view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a
> particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).
>
> So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For
> certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector
> may
>
> need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it
> will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of
> course
>
> there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states. 
> Rather
>
> than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set
> the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this app
> to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.
>
> There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around
> 10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up
> the
> major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so
> its
> important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by
> quickly
> scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The
> treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of
> node
> selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the
> fly,
>
> say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in
> etc
> etc.
>
> Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!
>
> regards
> Bruce
>
> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> > default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with
>
> the
>
> > problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65
> > forms and
> > 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> > produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> > WAY TO CANCEL IT!
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 06:30:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:30:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <002901c786d3$44482a30$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
References: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk> <002901c786d3$44482a30$2c01a8c0@bhxp>
Message-ID: <002f01c7872d$153fa880$657aa8c0@m6805>

Bobby,

I have not.  I have always meant to go study that but life (other work) got
in the way.  Maybe today I will get a moment.

So much to know, so little time. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John, 

Did you ever check out the BCP utility in SQL Server to import the files?

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files
in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL
Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command
object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of
records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to
modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-04-07 18:07 >>>
The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a 
>new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 07:06:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:06:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>
References: <s62e9fd5.094@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003001c78732$1ee35d00$657aa8c0@m6805>

Gustav,

Yesterday afternoon I started looking at something similar.  

First I tried to just write a sql statement for each record and execute that
against SQL Server.  That runs about 300 records / second.  The advantage it
has is that is "one step", i.e. there is no "convert to csv" and then
"import to SQL Server".  ATM the "import to SQL Server requires manual work
on my part so this is truly automated from start to finish.  I unzip the
files to a directory, then my (Access/VBA) program picks up all the files
one by one and processes them, automatically.  Unfortunately processing 100
million records at 300 / second turns into 92.5 hours.  Fortunately it is
totally automatic, barring some outside influence such as disk full, power
loss, mangled file etc.

I then tried to write a DAO recordset to a temp table inside of Access.
Working directly with the recordset I AddNew / iterate the fields filling in
the data pulled from the flat file line, Update, do it again.  This creates
the temp table records at a rate of about 1000 per second but the MDB gets
HUGE, remember that the source files are often multi-gigabyte monstrosities.
Then appending the entire table to SQL Server just takes forever.

So essentially I tried your suggestion:

>  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

And it does work, it is automatic and it is painfully slow.  OTOH, I just
used a Dao database object and used db.execute to send the data to sql
server.

Do you think it would be faster using the ADO method?

I am now timing having a dao.db.execute append an entire linked CSV file
into SQL Server.

In the end, I think that I can go with any of these methods as long as it
does not require manual intervention.  I already have CSVs generated for the
majority of these flat files.  I can do the rest and then just use Access /
VBA to bang the CSV files in to SQL Server.  If it takes four days well...
It will be done by Monday.

I really want to switch to VB.Net for all of this bit twiddling.  I think I
will use VB.Net to do the part where I pull the name / address stuff back
out to CSVs for feeding to Accuzip.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files
in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL
Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command
object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of
records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to
modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Apr 25 08:01:27 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:01:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704252015.56198.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
References: <200704241728.23380.bbruen@unwired.com.au><200704250931.37164.bbruen@unwired.com.au><003f01c786d8$2d679710$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<200704252015.56198.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c78739$d6461030$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Nice!  If you can get into the sounds, smells, and looks you'll have
manufacturers knocking down your door!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

Ah now that's a real tricky piece of work. :-)  

Basically the realtime monitors log every measurement they make (~26-46 per 
minute) to a text file with the first 20 bytes being a DTS.  All I'm doing
is 
everytime this app gets invoked is to read the log file, ignore anything
that 
is less than the "last stamp I know of" and process the rest.  Tricky eh!
and 
now I've told you, I'm afraid I'll have to ....

Sometimes simple is best.  Dont forget, these people open the app 1 or 2
times 
per shift, check things out and close it.  It's not doing or pretending to
be 
am "active" monitor, just something to make the operator's life a bit easier

than walking around a 2 acre floor, taking and logging readings, correlating

them to the current job mix, checking the mix against the 
schedule.........etc etc.    Actually, these guys spend most of their shift 
walking the floor.  Apart from die jams, which happen every couple of hours 
or so, most of the time they ...  wait for it

essentially use their faces to detect if anything is slightly aberrent.

That is, these people can "just tell" by walking past a machine line whether

it sounds, smells, looks and feels like its going full bore and OK.  

Currently, we are working on "feels", i.e the operating temps amd feed
rates. 
If I can get into the "sounds, smells and looks" regime. I'll be applying
for 
patents and making an aggressive takeover for M$ ... :-)

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:22, Dan Waters wrote:
> That's Very interesting!
>
> How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor
for
> injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There
> are
> essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and
statuses.
> The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and
4
> levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real
> objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's
> normal
> status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer"
> or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on
> the
> operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the
object,
> its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot
or
> develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm
and
> stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the
realtime
> stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at
> the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an
> overall
> view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a
> particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).
>
> So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For
> certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector
> may
>
> need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it
> will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of
> course
>
> there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states. 
> Rather
>
> than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set
> the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this
app
> to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.
>
> There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around
> 10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up
> the
> major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so
> its
> important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by
> quickly
> scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The
> treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of
> node
> selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the
> fly,
>
> say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in
> etc
> etc.
>
> Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!
>
> regards
> Bruce
>
> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> > default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with
>
> the
>
> > problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65
> > forms and
> > 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> > produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> > WAY TO CANCEL IT!
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 25 08:01:29 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:01:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
Message-ID: <s62f6d53.014@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I'm not sure you may get much faster than about 1000 records/s with ADO.
Here's what I have tried:

Public Function AppendBatchADO(ByVal lngRows As Long)

' Inserts about 1000 records/s.

  Dim cnn     As ADODB.Connection
  Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
  
  Dim lngRow  As Long
  Dim strSQL  As String
   
  Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
  Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
  cnn.ConnectionString = "DSN=Test;DATABASE=TestDb;"

  cnn.Open , "SA", "password"
  cnn.CursorLocation = adUseServer

    For lngRow = 1 To lngRows
      strSQL = "Insert Into dbo.Sample Values ( " & _
        CStr(lngRow) & "," & _
        "'Name'," & _
        "'Address'," & _
        CStr(1) & ")"
      cmd.CommandText = strSQL
      cnn.Execute cmd.CommandText, , adCmdText + adExecuteNoRecords
    Next
  cnn.Close
  
  Set cmd = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  
End Function

The advantage would be, that you can handle whatever size of input file, read one line, convert it, and insert it. Done. Next line.
You could probably set up several instances to handle several files simultaneously.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 25-04-2007 14:06 >>>
Gustav,

Yesterday afternoon I started looking at something similar.  

First I tried to just write a sql statement for each record and execute that
against SQL Server.  That runs about 300 records / second.  The advantage it
has is that is "one step", i.e. there is no "convert to csv" and then
"import to SQL Server".  ATM the "import to SQL Server requires manual work
on my part so this is truly automated from start to finish.  I unzip the
files to a directory, then my (Access/VBA) program picks up all the files
one by one and processes them, automatically.  Unfortunately processing 100
million records at 300 / second turns into 92.5 hours.  Fortunately it is
totally automatic, barring some outside influence such as disk full, power
loss, mangled file etc.

I then tried to write a DAO recordset to a temp table inside of Access.
Working directly with the recordset I AddNew / iterate the fields filling in
the data pulled from the flat file line, Update, do it again.  This creates
the temp table records at a rate of about 1000 per second but the MDB gets
HUGE, remember that the source files are often multi-gigabyte monstrosities.
Then appending the entire table to SQL Server just takes forever.

So essentially I tried your suggestion:

>  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

And it does work, it is automatic and it is painfully slow.  OTOH, I just
used a Dao database object and used db.execute to send the data to sql
server.

Do you think it would be faster using the ADO method?

I am now timing having a dao.db.execute append an entire linked CSV file
into SQL Server.

In the end, I think that I can go with any of these methods as long as it
does not require manual intervention.  I already have CSVs generated for the
majority of these flat files.  I can do the rest and then just use Access /
VBA to bang the CSV files in to SQL Server.  If it takes four days well...
It will be done by Monday.

I really want to switch to VB.Net for all of this bit twiddling.  I think I
will use VB.Net to do the part where I pull the name / address stuff back
out to CSVs for feeding to Accuzip.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

Hi John

Your observations about the flow are probably true.

If we for a moment return to your reading and converting of these huge files
in Access, instead of rewriting these to csv files for later import into SQL
Server, why not collect the finished records to batches of:

  Insert Into <table> Values ( <value1>, <value2>, .. <valueN> )

with, say, 100 or 1000 lines and feed these directly to SQL Server?
This can be easily done with ADO and a Connection object and a Command
object where you use the Connection.Execute method to load the batch of
records directly into SQL Server. For you it should be a simple matter to
modify your Access app, which you already have build, to perform the task.

/gustav



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 08:10:29 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:10:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

FWIW
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.
Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it
productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.
I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down
and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is
ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 9:59 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables



Hi All,
I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
Below is a look as to how it is setup.

dbo_tblCodes
CodeType         CodeId  CodeName        OrderOnForm   
Ethnicity        1       Puerto Rican    1     
Ethnicity        2       Mexican         2     
Ethnicity        3       Cuban   3     
Ethnicity        4       Other Hispanic  4     
Ethnicity        5       Hispanic, Not Specified/Known   5     
Ethnicity        7       Not of Hispanic Origin  6     
Ethnicity        9       Don't Know/No Answer    7     
Gender   1       Male    10    
Gender   2       Female  20    
Health   1       Poor    5     
Health   2       Fair    10    
Health   3       Good    15    
Health   4       Very Good       20    
Health   5       Excellent       25    
Health   9       Don't Know/No Answer    80    

This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
"logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
TIA
Ed


Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr 25 08:12:16 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:12:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704251316.l3PDGNju025938@databaseadvisors.com>

Debbie and Jim (and anyone else that thinks of this as good design),

Sorry, but it is PURE BAD design. And Jim, just because you
do it in all your apps does not make it right or good design.
Most of the money I make and the highest prices I charge are
for fixing poorly designed Access applications.

IT is NOT relational in any stretch of the imagination.
If you think so, then you need to go back and review
relational theory.

You can make a very customizable interface for the user
with good design also.

So if you want the ultimate in flexibility (and bad design)
here you go:

tblEntity

EntityID
EntityDescription

tblEntityAttribute
EntityAttributeID
EntityID
AttributeID
AttributeValue
AttributeComments

tblAttribute
AttributeID
AttributeDescription

tblRelatedEntities
RelatedEntityID
ParentEntityID
ChildEntityID

There, that is all you will need forever to define whatever
you need to store data for.  Here is an example:

tblEntity
EntityID        EntityDescription
    1            Robert
    2            Sales Order
    3            Address

tblAttribute
AttributeID     AttributeDescription
    1            AddressLine1
    2            City
    3            State
    4            PostalCode
    5            OrderNumber
    6            OrderDate
    7            CustomerNumber

tblEntityAttribute
EntityAttributeID  EntityID   AttributeID  AttributValue  AttributeComments
   1                   3           1        123 IDK St.
   2                   3           2        Bellville
   3                   3           3        TX
   4                   2           5        2007-02-12-01
   5                   2           6        2/12/2007
   6                   2           7        1

tblRelatedEntities
RelatedEntityID  ParentEntityID  ChildEntityID
   1                   1              3

Well, there you go, the ultimate in flexibility and bad design.

Now go back and review what the first 3 normal forms are before
you spout off that a single code table is not bad design and
does not violate normalization rules again. They are not the same
entity. You obviously do not know the definition of 'entity' either.

And Debbie, just because a commercial product has it in it, does
not make it good either.  I have a number of commercial products
out and NONE of them are given to this poor design concept.

Robert

At 07:47 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:12:35 -0500
>From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D206 at jgexch1.jenkens.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>I agree.  The only thing I would do is make sure the ID is unique regardless
>of the code type.  Having a multiple field key does cause more problems.  As
>I pointed out, if you want to add the functionality to the front end of
>being able to define some custom combo or list boxes, custom codes are often
>needed too.  This offers the ability to recycle a previous list (Yes/no is a
>common recycled list) or create a new one from scratch.
>
>I use a commercial product that uses a consolidated code table and party
>table for just that reason.  It has made the interface very customizable by
>a reasonably savvy end user with no programming experience and no access to
>the server to add new tables.
>
>The views of each code type are a convenience, not a necessity.
>
>Debbie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:48 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
>
>
>   Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense in
>setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are all
>the same.
>
>   And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.  They
>are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a description.
>That's it.  No more and no less.
>
>   It would be a different matter if I had something like this:
>
>Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
>OnOrder Form
>Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
>Null
>Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
>Null
>Ethnicity       1              Puerto Rican       Null           Null
>1
>Ethnicity       2           Mexican            Null           Null
>2
>
>   Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
>have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.
>
>   This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
>"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type, I
>keep them all in the same table.
>
>   I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.  Lot
>less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be opened,
>closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.
>
>My .02
>Jim.




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Apr 25 08:15:19 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:15:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704251316.l3PDGNtY025939@databaseadvisors.com>

You need to go to the books on line and read up on Linked Servers.
It is not that difficult to do.  But, once done, it is very simple
to access the information.  You can even link Access tables to SQL
Server this way.

Robert

At 07:47 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:36:05 -0400
>From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <00ca01c786b8$911c3d80$0302a8c0 at Laptop>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>         reply-type=original
>
>John,
>
>I've read through your description and see the bottlenecks.
>All I can think of is that you could have this running distributed
>across machines (but I know you thought of that).
>
>Robert,
>
>Please explain your idea a little further - how to set up.
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>MapPoint & Access Dev




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Apr 25 08:29:21 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:29:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
References: <mailman.3467.1177462029.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200704251316.l3PDGNtY025939@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <022e01c7873d$bceafca0$0302a8c0@Laptop>

'Linked Servers'
That'll work - thanks

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net


> You need to go to the books on line and read up on Linked Servers.
> It is not that difficult to do.  But, once done, it is very simple
> to access the information.  You can even link Access tables to SQL
> Server this way.
> 
> Robert
> 
> At 07:47 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:36:05 -0400
>>From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <00ca01c786b8$911c3d80$0302a8c0 at Laptop>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>         reply-type=original
>>
>>John,
>>
>>I've read through your description and see the bottlenecks.
>>All I can think of is that you could have this running distributed
>>across machines (but I know you thought of that).
>>
>>Robert,
>>
>>Please explain your idea a little further - how to set up.
>>
>>Michael R. Mattys
>>MapPoint & Access Dev
> 
> 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Apr 25 08:33:31 2007
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:33:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Code Tables
Message-ID: <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D211@jgexch1.jenkens.com>

Never thought that just because a commercial product does it that it is most
correct.  I have had product (including from this same manufacturer) that I
have cursed for bad design.  I would prefer separate tables, but in this
instance, it does solve a practical problem in that customers can create new
code types without table changes and it does it with a minimum of problems.
Practical solution to a problem.  

Would I use this exclusively, no, and I do not unless there is some chance
that a customer would need to create their own lookup table that cannot be
glommed on to an existing one.  Even in that case I would be inclined to
make separate tables for the defaults and one like this for the user created
ones.

In the annals of bad design, this ranks near the bottom of my list and does
have it's useful point.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Stewart [mailto:rl_stewart at highstream.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Code Tables


Debbie and Jim (and anyone else that thinks of this as good design),

Sorry, but it is PURE BAD design. And Jim, just because you
do it in all your apps does not make it right or good design.
Most of the money I make and the highest prices I charge are
for fixing poorly designed Access applications.

IT is NOT relational in any stretch of the imagination.
If you think so, then you need to go back and review
relational theory.

You can make a very customizable interface for the user
with good design also.

So if you want the ultimate in flexibility (and bad design)
here you go:

tblEntity

EntityID
EntityDescription

tblEntityAttribute
EntityAttributeID
EntityID
AttributeID
AttributeValue
AttributeComments

tblAttribute
AttributeID
AttributeDescription

tblRelatedEntities
RelatedEntityID
ParentEntityID
ChildEntityID

There, that is all you will need forever to define whatever
you need to store data for.  Here is an example:

tblEntity
EntityID        EntityDescription
    1            Robert
    2            Sales Order
    3            Address

tblAttribute
AttributeID     AttributeDescription
    1            AddressLine1
    2            City
    3            State
    4            PostalCode
    5            OrderNumber
    6            OrderDate
    7            CustomerNumber

tblEntityAttribute
EntityAttributeID  EntityID   AttributeID  AttributValue  AttributeComments
   1                   3           1        123 IDK St.
   2                   3           2        Bellville
   3                   3           3        TX
   4                   2           5        2007-02-12-01
   5                   2           6        2/12/2007
   6                   2           7        1

tblRelatedEntities
RelatedEntityID  ParentEntityID  ChildEntityID
   1                   1              3

Well, there you go, the ultimate in flexibility and bad design.

Now go back and review what the first 3 normal forms are before
you spout off that a single code table is not bad design and
does not violate normalization rules again. They are not the same
entity. You obviously do not know the definition of 'entity' either.

And Debbie, just because a commercial product has it in it, does
not make it good either.  I have a number of commercial products
out and NONE of them are given to this poor design concept.

Robert

At 07:47 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:12:35 -0500
>From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <573E90481C9F004C9E598D3A5A9DCDA001D206 at jgexch1.jenkens.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>I agree.  The only thing I would do is make sure the ID is unique
regardless
>of the code type.  Having a multiple field key does cause more problems.
As
>I pointed out, if you want to add the functionality to the front end of
>being able to define some custom combo or list boxes, custom codes are
often
>needed too.  This offers the ability to recycle a previous list (Yes/no is
a
>common recycled list) or create a new one from scratch.
>
>I use a commercial product that uses a consolidated code table and party
>table for just that reason.  It has made the interface very customizable by
>a reasonably savvy end user with no programming experience and no access to
>the server to add new tables.
>
>The views of each code type are a convenience, not a necessity.
>
>Debbie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at verizon.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:48 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
>
>
>
>   Just to weigh in; I do this myself in all my apps.  I see little sense
in
>setting up a separate table for each one of the lookups when they are all
>the same.
>
>   And I don't agree with Arthur that this violates relational theory.
They
>are all the same entity.  Each one has a type, code, and a description.
>That's it.  No more and no less.
>
>   It would be a different matter if I had something like this:
>
>Type        CodeID       CodeName         Postal Mask   Phone Mask
>OnOrder Form
>Country     USA          United States     #####-####   (###) ###-####
>Null
>Country     CAN          Canada            ### ###      (###) ###-####
>Null
>Ethnicity       1              Puerto Rican       Null           Null
>1
>Ethnicity       2           Mexican            Null           Null
>2
>
>   Now there are multiple entities in the table as each instance does not
>have the same attributes and thus cannot be the same thing.
>
>   This is the point where I break out into a separate table.  But for a
>"lookup value", even though each lookup value may have a different type, I
>keep them all in the same table.
>
>   I find it simplifies things quite a bit and performs better as well.
Lot
>less overhead then having multiple tables, all of which need to be opened,
>closed, indexed, etc.  Coding is less complex overall as well.
>
>My .02
>Jim.


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 08:35:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
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I pretty much have to agree Jim.  Given a LookupID as you use to relate the
record back to other records then you are good to go.  The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:

Chrg		Visa

and 

Charge	MC 

Then if you simply filtered in Charge you would not pick up Chrg.

If they filled in a second table with Charge and then used that in a combo
to select the lookup type, you could use the PKID of the LookupType table
and always pick up all Charge records.

Of course that now becomes TWO tables to maintain, but still less than N
tables.

tblLookupType
LT_ID		LT_Type
1		Charge
2		Shipping
3		State

tblLookupDetail
LD_ID		LD_LTID	LD_Details
1		1		MC
2		1		Visa
3		1		Am Ex
4		2		Fed Ex
5		2		UPS
6		2		USPS
7		3		AZ
8		3		CA


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

FWIW
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.
Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it
productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.
I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down
and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is
ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 25 09:07:13 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:07:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <00e301c78743$06e70330$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Jim,
These are the pro side arguments of this type of design that I've heard in
the past (and well put BTW).

As in all things relational - theory is theory and practical is practical.
Theory can be taken too far for practicality. When is the last time anyone
here worked on a completely normalized (per Codd) data structure?

IMO as long as you know which road you're taking, practical is OK. If I
hired you as a programmer and you wanted to take this approach I'd be OK
with it. But then I've seen a lot reasons to be confident in your abilities.
Same with a number of people here. I'd certainly want documentation on it so
that the next person who worked on it could understand it without spending a
lot of time on it. On the other if some newbie came up with this idea I'd
not be quite so accepting. Talent and experience go a long way in
determining flexibility ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Apr 25 09:35:00 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:35:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB2B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

Very interesting stuff. Now that you are out of panic mode I've been dying
to ask how do you "accidentally" hit
'ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose'? (I didn't dare ask yesterday)
Reminds me of Nixon's secretary who had to simultaneously hit keys with her
hands and feet to "accidentally" erase 15 minutes of Watergate tapes.
Inquiring minds want to know :-)
Jim Hale

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!


Ah now that's a real tricky piece of work. :-)  

Basically the realtime monitors log every measurement they make (~26-46 per 
minute) to a text file with the first 20 bytes being a DTS.  All I'm doing
is 
everytime this app gets invoked is to read the log file, ignore anything
that 
is less than the "last stamp I know of" and process the rest.  Tricky eh!
and 
now I've told you, I'm afraid I'll have to ....

Sometimes simple is best.  Dont forget, these people open the app 1 or 2
times 
per shift, check things out and close it.  It's not doing or pretending to
be 
am "active" monitor, just something to make the operator's life a bit easier

than walking around a 2 acre floor, taking and logging readings, correlating

them to the current job mix, checking the mix against the 
schedule.........etc etc.    Actually, these guys spend most of their shift 
walking the floor.  Apart from die jams, which happen every couple of hours 
or so, most of the time they ...  wait for it

essentially use their faces to detect if anything is slightly aberrent.

That is, these people can "just tell" by walking past a machine line whether

it sounds, smells, looks and feels like its going full bore and OK.  

Currently, we are working on "feels", i.e the operating temps amd feed
rates. 
If I can get into the "sounds, smells and looks" regime. I'll be applying
for 
patents and making an aggressive takeover for M$ ... :-)

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:22, Dan Waters wrote:
> That's Very interesting!
>
> How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?
>
> Dan
>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 09:45:41 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:45:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
Message-ID: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 09:51:41 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:51:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>

As always, immediately after I pressed Send I discovered the answer.  

=if((E3="x"),0,C3)

Now why doesn't IIF work?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Wed Apr 25 09:58:27 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:58:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPCEFPENAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I think in Excel it's just 'if' not 'iif' - just one i

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


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> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
> 
> 
> I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
>  
> =iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
>  
> IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the 
> current cell
> = 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
>  
> All I get is the infamous #Name?
>  
> Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
>  
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 10:01:11 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:01:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
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On 4/25/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> As always, immediately after I pressed Send I discovered the answer.
>
> =if((E3="x"),0,C3)
>
> Now why doesn't IIF work?

'Cause IIF is not a valid function in Excel Formulas.

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 10:01:26 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:01:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JH20030I72LFWF7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

Because IIF is not a supported function in Excel. 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

As always, immediately after I pressed Send I discovered the answer.  

=if((E3="x"),0,C3)

Now why doesn't IIF work?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
John W. Colby
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Apr 25 09:58:25 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:58:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB2D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

Use if not iif
-Rudyard Kipling

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell


I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
John W. Colby
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Apr 25 10:21:58 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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In Excel the function is simply IF
Also you don't need the parens around the logical test.

=If(E3="x",0,C3)

HTH

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 

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Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 10:38:11 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:38:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
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References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
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John,

<<These are the pro side arguments of this type of design that I've heard in
the past (and well put BTW).>>

 Thanks.

<<When is the last time anyone
here worked on a completely normalized (per Codd) data structure?>>

  Not in recent history I think<g>

<<MO as long as you know which road you're taking, practical is OK.>>

  That is a great point.  I used to be very hung up about getting it
"right".  It took me quite a while to learn that "right" is not always
practical or best for a given situation.

  You need to know the pros and cons of the various approaches and what the
ramifications will be.  As long as you know what your working with and can
make it clear to others why that route was chosen, then I see nothing wrong
with using a more practical approach.

  That's why even though I now understand that a single lookup table is
technically wrong, I probably won't change anything.  What I have works and
it works pretty well.  The only real issue I have to deal with is to
remember to use a view rather then binding directly to the table when
working with the database directly.  For the things I gain in the app, that
seems to be a good trade off and a fairly safe one.

Jim.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Hi Jim,
These are the pro side arguments of this type of design that I've heard in
the past (and well put BTW).

As in all things relational - theory is theory and practical is practical.
Theory can be taken too far for practicality. When is the last time anyone
here worked on a completely normalized (per Codd) data structure?

IMO as long as you know which road you're taking, practical is OK. If I
hired you as a programmer and you wanted to take this approach I'd be OK
with it. But then I've seen a lot reasons to be confident in your abilities.
Same with a number of people here. I'd certainly want documentation on it so
that the next person who worked on it could understand it without spending a
lot of time on it. On the other if some newbie came up with this idea I'd
not be quite so accepting. Talent and experience go a long way in
determining flexibility ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 10:38:11 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:38:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <003101c7873e$a68a44b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<003101c7873e$a68a44b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <014301c7874f$bf992780$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

<< The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:>>

  Yes, that is what I do.  I have one maintenance form to maintain those two
tables.  The tblLookupType is bound to a drop down, then a grid to handle
the tblLookupValues, which is filtered by the combo.

  I also include a field on tblLookupType "UserModify", which is a yes/no
indicating if the lookup values are modifiable by the end user.

  Certain types of lookups that I store in the table are coded into the app
in some way shape or form and should not be changed.  For example, a
Transaction status of Open (0), Closed (1), and Archived (2).  Rather then
code that in as a property or doing it in code, I just stuff it in the
lookup table.  This makes it very easy to convert to different languages.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

I pretty much have to agree Jim.  Given a LookupID as you use to relate the
record back to other records then you are good to go.  The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:

Chrg		Visa

and 

Charge	MC 

Then if you simply filtered in Charge you would not pick up Chrg.

If they filled in a second table with Charge and then used that in a combo
to select the lookup type, you could use the PKID of the LookupType table
and always pick up all Charge records.

Of course that now becomes TWO tables to maintain, but still less than N
tables.

tblLookupType
LT_ID		LT_Type
1		Charge
2		Shipping
3		State

tblLookupDetail
LD_ID		LD_LTID	LD_Details
1		1		MC
2		1		Visa
3		1		Am Ex
4		2		Fed Ex
5		2		UPS
6		2		USPS
7		3		AZ
8		3		CA


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

FWIW
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.
Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it
productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.
I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down
and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is
ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 25 10:53:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:53:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables
In-Reply-To: <014301c7874f$bf992780$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216A9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC712507E@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><00f701c7873b$1b297330$8abea8c0@XPS><003101c7873e$a68a44b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<014301c7874f$bf992780$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <004701c78751$d5ce0d20$657aa8c0@m6805>

BTW, doing it this way once again makes it (more) normalized - object /
object detail.  The object is now the lookup type, the detail records apply
equally to all objects.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

John,

<< The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:>>

  Yes, that is what I do.  I have one maintenance form to maintain those two
tables.  The tblLookupType is bound to a drop down, then a grid to handle
the tblLookupValues, which is filtered by the combo.

  I also include a field on tblLookupType "UserModify", which is a yes/no
indicating if the lookup values are modifiable by the end user.

  Certain types of lookups that I store in the table are coded into the app
in some way shape or form and should not be changed.  For example, a
Transaction status of Open (0), Closed (1), and Archived (2).  Rather then
code that in as a property or doing it in code, I just stuff it in the
lookup table.  This makes it very easy to convert to different languages.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

I pretty much have to agree Jim.  Given a LookupID as you use to relate the
record back to other records then you are good to go.  The one thing I might
do is actually break the table down into a LookupType table (charge,
shipping, state etc) the reason being simply that people are typing in to
this table to fill it.  If they typed:

Chrg		Visa

and 

Charge	MC 

Then if you simply filtered in Charge you would not pick up Chrg.

If they filled in a second table with Charge and then used that in a combo
to select the lookup type, you could use the PKID of the LookupType table
and always pick up all Charge records.

Of course that now becomes TWO tables to maintain, but still less than N
tables.

tblLookupType
LT_ID		LT_Type
1		Charge
2		Shipping
3		State

tblLookupDetail
LD_ID		LD_LTID	LD_Details
1		1		MC
2		1		Visa
3		1		Am Ex
4		2		Fed Ex
5		2		UPS
6		2		USPS
7		3		AZ
8		3		CA


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Ed,

  Well here's a little more to think about<g>.

  I started thinking about this more and more yesterday (after I made my
last post) and took some time to dig around on this. Part of the reason was
that in the past, I had always employed the multiple table approach, but
when I moved into the FoxPro world, the single table approach was very
common.  I had been reluctant at first to use it, but found that the concept
worked well and I never had a problem with it.  The argument given to me was
the one I gave to you and at the time, I didn't see what was wrong with it.

  As it turns out, a single lookup table does violate relational theory (it
actually violates 2NF and I'm not sure why I never understood that before).
But in a practical where the rubber meets the road view, there is little
difference.  It's the same thing with surrogate keys; they are a violation
of relational theory, yet because we have to deal with computer systems,
their use is widespread and accepted.

  I'll try and explain a bit.  If you had this in your single lookup table:

LookupID   Lookup Type    Lookup Code   Lookup Description
1          Charge         MC            Master Card
2          Charge         VISA          Visa            
3          Charge         DISC          Discover
4          Shipping       FEDX          Federal Express
5          Shipping       UPSG          UPS Ground
6          Shipping       UPS2          UPS 2nd Day Air


  and the database stood on its own, with nothing to restrict the table by
lookup type (just tables), you'd have a problem.  If I were to place an
order for example, it should be impossible to have a shipping type of "MC",
which is a type of charge.

  The correct fix would be to break out the above into two tables;
tblChargeTypes and tblShippingTypes.  The real world short cut fix I employ
is to always access the table by a parameterized view.  It always works.  I
can't get a list of records back that are mixed.  Nor with the way my code
is written ever fail to provide the parameter (Charlotte hit it on the head
yesterday; I have a pick list class, which requires the lookup type or it
returns nothing).  Through my app and coding, the view of the database is
"normalized".  On it's own however it is not.  Yet it's obvious to anyone
looking at the data in the table what is going on.

  Is this going to stop me from using the single table approach?  Probably
not.  Just like using surrogate keys.  Both solve  practical problems and
carry no real serious side affects.

FWIW
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT a little - Code Tables

Many thanks to all who responded, you've given me a lot to think about.
Spent most of the day trying to get the data organized in a way I can use it
productively.  Made some good progress today and I hope this will continue.
I hope the new programmer I requested goes through and we can all sit down
and work this out.  In closing for the night, all I can say is "This list is
ALL GOOD" and I mean that sincerely.  Thanks for all your help and comments!
Ed

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 25 15:21:18 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:21:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I just don't believe this.   )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
In-Reply-To: <200704252015.56198.bbruen@unwired.com.au>
Message-ID: <0JH200LRPLP0UYQ4@l-daemon>

Hi All:

Just a note on this discussion and this may be a bit off topic but: A MS SQL
server can be setup to monitor multiple ports. There is a SQL Server Network
Utility (SQL 2000) and the SQL Server Configuration Manager tool (SQL 2005)
which allows this configuration. Example: SQL server listening on
157.54.178.42:1433, 157.54.178.42:5000, 127.0.0.1:1433, 127.0.0.1:5000
etc... Virtually any IP address and port option. 

See articles http://support.microsoft.com/kb/294453 and
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189310.aspx

I have not tested this to see whether the functionality can be extended the
Express version. A friend, using this technology has a system that can
monitor a large number of controllers (Neptune Project
-http://www.neptune.washington.edu/pub/whats_neptune/whats_neptune.html).
There would be a bit of work if the protocols differ from standards but
considering that the DB is designed to sustain thousands of hits per minute
it might be an idea to utilize the existing technology. An Access GUI would
just be used to display the results.

HTH
Jim   


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!

Ah now that's a real tricky piece of work. :-)  

Basically the realtime monitors log every measurement they make (~26-46 per 
minute) to a text file with the first 20 bytes being a DTS.  All I'm doing
is 
everytime this app gets invoked is to read the log file, ignore anything
that 
is less than the "last stamp I know of" and process the rest.  Tricky eh!
and 
now I've told you, I'm afraid I'll have to ....

Sometimes simple is best.  Dont forget, these people open the app 1 or 2
times 
per shift, check things out and close it.  It's not doing or pretending to
be 
am "active" monitor, just something to make the operator's life a bit easier

than walking around a 2 acre floor, taking and logging readings, correlating

them to the current job mix, checking the mix against the 
schedule.........etc etc.    Actually, these guys spend most of their shift 
walking the floor.  Apart from die jams, which happen every couple of hours 
or so, most of the time they ...  wait for it

essentially use their faces to detect if anything is slightly aberrent.

That is, these people can "just tell" by walking past a machine line whether

it sounds, smells, looks and feels like its going full bore and OK.  

Currently, we are working on "feels", i.e the operating temps amd feed
rates. 
If I can get into the "sounds, smells and looks" regime. I'll be applying
for 
patents and making an aggressive takeover for M$ ... :-)

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:22, Dan Waters wrote:
> That's Very interesting!
>
> How do you get the real time info from the machines and components?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just don't believe this. )&*()&)(&)&!&*^@(*&!!
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> Yep, they are truly that custom.  Basically the app is a status monitor
for
> injection moulding plant, sort of like a fire panel, with a twist.  There
> are
> essentially 10 "object types" each having a set of conditions and
statuses.
> The objects fall into 2 heirarchies (structural and operational) of 6 and
4
> levels respectively. The final installation will have about 500-600 real
> objects that are manually monitored several times a day.  Everything's
> normal
> status is "warm" but there are a lot of conditions that are "warmer"
> or "cooler" than norm which may need attention. That attention depends on
> the
> operator getting a clear overview of the entire environment for the
object,
> its job mix, the particular job type etc etc.  If an object gets too hot
or
> develops some fault, the realtime monitoring equipment sounds the alarm
and
> stops the machine. This app essentially gets the log info from the
realtime
> stuff and is aimed at detecting problems before they happen, by looking at
> the variance of the signals over time and presenting the user with an
> overall
> view at each of the levels that they can drill down through to "inspect" a
> particular machine (in fact, down to specific components of machines).
>
> So, on line "A" we might have a feeder, an injector and a conveyor.  For
> certain jobs, using certain dies and certain plastic mixes, the injector
> may
>
> need to run slightly hotter than for other jobs and if it doesn't then it
> will gum up.  There are lots of conditions and lots of states, and of
> course
>
> there are always new job types that raise new conditions and states. 
> Rather
>
> than reprogram the realtime monitor (and this app) over and over, they set
> the realtime fault levels at a "significant" fault and hope to use this
app
> to detect any "errant but within bounds" event.
>
> There are 4 "main" forms - 3 of which are continuous forms with around
> 10 "signals" per row and a treeview+inspector form/subform - that make up
> the
> major view of the system.  The continuous forms show all 500 objects - so
> its
> important that the operator can recognize an aberrent signal level by
> quickly
> scrolling through the list. Hence the need for all the custom formats! The
> treeview form, which has 6 subforms that swap depending on the "type" of
> node
> selected in the tree allow the user to modify the monitor levels on the
> fly,
>
> say to loosen or tighten the variances allowed on a new die as it beds in
> etc
> etc.
>
> Sorry about the long winded story, but its quite an interesting app!
>
> regards
> Bruce
>
> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:30, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > Bruce, is each field truly that custom? You do know that you can change
> > default formats for a form don't you? Of course, that doesn't help with
>
> the
>
> > problem at hand -- sorry about that. :(
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > After 6 weeks work of setting conditional formats over 32 tables, 65
> > forms and
> > 12 reports I accidentally hit ctl-leftshift-alt-prtscn-scratchnose which
> > produced a "YOUAREGOINGINTOHIGHRESOLUTIONMODE" popup, with apparently NO
> > WAY TO CANCEL IT!
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 25 15:26:21 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:26:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JH200M7GLXFFLP4@l-daemon>

...Because it is not needed. Why the iif command was created when the
functionality could have been extended to the already existing if statement
has always been beyond me.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

As always, immediately after I pressed Send I discovered the answer.  

=if((E3="x"),0,C3)

Now why doesn't IIF work?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell

I need to do a simple iif in a cell:
 
=iif((E3="x"),0,C3)
 
IOW what I am trying to do is say if the cell E3 = "x" then the current cell
= 0 else the current cell = the contents of cell C3
 
All I get is the infamous #Name?
 
Is it possible to do this?  Is there some other construct?
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 16:30:56 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:30:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel - IIF in cell
In-Reply-To: <004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <003d01c78748$664c73f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<004201c78749$3cb05560$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <7c8826480704251430s210ffaf5x7ea6110a60fb6325@mail.gmail.com>

same reason why datediff in excel does not work; gotta use datedif (missing
one F)

On 4/25/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>
> Now why doesn't IIF work?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
> --
> Billy Pang
> http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
> "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
> Italian proverb


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr 26 08:18:00 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:18:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: WinZip Courier Problem
Message-ID: <001301c78805$50cc9fb0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

For those who may be considering WinZip's new Courier service, there's a
small problem.  If you upload a file with a .EXE extension, it is delivered
without the extension.  So when the user tries to run it it comes up with
the 'what program do you want to use to open this file?" prompt.  Since I'm
sending mostly setup files created by Wise, this is a serious problem.

They currently have no fix for this other than the workaround that the user
need to be advised to add the .EXE to the file before running it.  

Regards,

Rocky



 	
	



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 26 09:28:51 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:28:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
Message-ID: <s630d350.038@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Anyone having the Action Pack? Finally, the above title arrived but it won't install.
It keeps popping a message:

  Please insert the disk: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition - ENU Disk 2

but there is no disk 2.
This appears during the very first install item, "Microsoft Visual Studio 2005", and the file ..\Common7\Tools\VDT\vdt80.dll

I've browsed all over the net and can find some hints mostly related to downloaded images burned/saved to cd/iso with wrong titles, but this is the original cd which doesn't carry any info that it should be "Disk 1".
I've also tried to copy to cd to a folder and install from that, and also to disable antivirus but to no avail.

I had VB 2005 Express and Web Express installed (with no errors) but those were uninstalled first.

Any hints?

/gustav




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 11:16:21 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:16:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
In-Reply-To: <s630d350.038@cactus.dk>
References: <s630d350.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704260916y311eeb9fqa9a55fb57b262de0@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have the Action Pack but I do have VS 2005 Standard Edition and it
does have a Disk 2.

On 4/26/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Anyone having the Action Pack? Finally, the above title arrived but it
> won't install.
> It keeps popping a message:
>
> Please insert the disk: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition -
> ENU Disk 2
>
> but there is no disk 2.
> This appears during the very first install item, "Microsoft Visual Studio
> 2005", and the file ..\Common7\Tools\VDT\vdt80.dll
>
> I've browsed all over the net and can find some hints mostly related to
> downloaded images burned/saved to cd/iso with wrong titles, but this is the
> original cd which doesn't carry any info that it should be "Disk 1".
> I've also tried to copy to cd to a folder and install from that, and also
> to disable antivirus but to no avail.
>
> I had VB 2005 Express and Web Express installed (with no errors) but those
> were uninstalled first.
>
> Any hints?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 26 11:40:56 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:40:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
Message-ID: <s630f248.047@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

OK, thanks, that explains.
Then that disk probably will arrive with the next update - in three months ...

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 26-04-2007 18:16 >>>
I don't have the Action Pack but I do have VS 2005 Standard Edition and it
does have a Disk 2.

On 4/26/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Anyone having the Action Pack? Finally, the above title arrived but it
> won't install.
> It keeps popping a message:
>
> Please insert the disk: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition -
> ENU Disk 2
>
> but there is no disk 2.
> This appears during the very first install item, "Microsoft Visual Studio
> 2005", and the file ..\Common7\Tools\VDT\vdt80.dll
>
> I've browsed all over the net and can find some hints mostly related to
> downloaded images burned/saved to cd/iso with wrong titles, but this is the
> original cd which doesn't carry any info that it should be "Disk 1".
> I've also tried to copy to cd to a folder and install from that, and also
> to disable antivirus but to no avail.
>
> I had VB 2005 Express and Web Express installed (with no errors) but those
> were uninstalled first.
>
> Any hints?
>
> /gustav




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 26 12:25:23 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:25:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
In-Reply-To: <s630f248.047@cactus.dk>
References: <s630f248.047@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <037401c78827$e047c350$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

The first shipment of MSDN comes with everything and then gets updated
afterwards. Seems odd that they wouldn't do the same with the Action Pack
(but I don't know for sure as I don't get that).

I'd advise you contact the MS rep and check on it.





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 26 21:51:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:51:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
Message-ID: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>

I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access for
one reason or another.  These include things like 
 
* doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action when a
file appears.
* FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
* Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote mainframe
 
To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
 
Header Rec
Detail Rec
Detail Rec
Detail Rec
.
.
Trailer Rec
 
The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is coming
from, the date of the file etc.
 
The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients, payment
dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the check number
etc.
 
The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of checks,
the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
 
I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it works, but
it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to reference specific libs,
go outside of VBA to handle things like the file system and text streams (in
an object oriented manner) and so forth.  There are no threads so a single
error can hang the system, and things that should happen in parallel have to
happen sequentially.
 
So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  What I
am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) deployed to the
desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more than one person, often
at the same time.  At the moment, because they are Access / vba based, I
just do a copy down to the desktop (a single file) and open the mdb.  A form
opens and the user goes to work.  These applets are under constant
development, literally daily as I finish one report another is started.  Bug
fixes are done.
 
I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed as
well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the vehicle for
this distribution?  
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 


From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Apr 26 22:02:43 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:02:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0128968B@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi John,

ClickOnce sounds perfect for your situation.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/t71a733d(VS.80).aspx

cheers


Michael M



I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access
for one reason or another.  These include things like 
 
* doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action when
a file appears.
* FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
* Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote mainframe
 
To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
 
Header Rec
Detail Rec
Detail Rec
Detail Rec
.
.
Trailer Rec
 
The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is
coming from, the date of the file etc.
 
The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients,
payment dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the
check number etc.
 
The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of
checks, the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
 
I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it works,
but it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to reference
specific libs, go outside of VBA to handle things like the file system
and text streams (in an object oriented manner) and so forth.  There are
no threads so a single error can hang the system, and things that should
happen in parallel have to happen sequentially.
 
So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  What
I am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) deployed to
the desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more than one
person, often at the same time.  At the moment, because they are Access
/ vba based, I just do a copy down to the desktop (a single file) and
open the mdb.  A form opens and the user goes to work.  These applets
are under constant development, literally daily as I finish one report
another is started.  Bug fixes are done.
 
I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed as
well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the vehicle
for this distribution?  
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
 
--
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 02:03:36 2007
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:03:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <AceGehVTw0Cm8nAXR2OUSvY25bkumg==>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC71216AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00704270003g6b983f3bv688997d9e630689f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Ed,

I have seen this in an Oracle database on one accasion.  Of course, it is
not a relational database when you store lookup tables like this, or at
least, it is no possible to enforce good referential integrity.  But... in
that company, once we got used to the little function that we used to
retrieve values from the lookup, it worked a treat.  And to make matters
even better, when we wanted a new lookup table added, we could do it
ourselves without having to go to a DBA.  In that company, they have about
one hundred look tables, so it was neater than if they were all stored in
seperate tables.

In summary, I would not do it, but I did see it working effectively.

Mark



On 24/04/07, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I'm not familiar enough with SQL Server but I have a question regarding
> what I call Code Tables.  I use them a lot when I develop an application
> in Access, e.g., I'll have a table for counties i.e., county code and
> county name or Providers, Provider code and Provider Name.  I have them
> as separate tables.  I'm trying to make sense out of the tables and
> relationships "my" programmer created.  He has one code table period!
> Below is a look as to how it is setup.
>
> CodeType     CodeId     CodeName                OrderOnForm
> Ethnicity      1        Puerto Rican                 1
> Ethnicity      2        Mexican                      2
> Ethnicity      3        Cuban                        3
> Ethnicity      4        Other Hispanic               4
> Ethnicity      5        Hispanic, Not Specified/Known5
> Ethnicity      7        Not of Hispanic Origin       6
> Ethnicity      9        Don't Know/No Answer         7
> Gender         1        Male                        10
> Gender         2        Female                      20
> Health         1        Poor                         5
> Health         2        Fair                        10
> Health         3        Good                        15
> Health         4        Very Good                   20
> Health         5        Excellent                   25
> Health         9        Don't Know/No Answer        80
>
>
> This is just a little bit of the table but I think you can see his
> "logic" here.  Is this a common convention that developers use?  Hate to
> see what else I'm going to find as I try to wade through this.
> TIA
> Ed
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>
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>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 03:52:17 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:52:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>

One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that, the One-Click
technology in .NET should please you immensely. While you explore that, I
also suggest a terrific product called Total Commander, which is a
Windows-based "clone" + extension of Norton Commander, and includes FTP
facilities, so you could use it to get immediately to your goal, while you
experiment with the One-Click .NET technology.

A.


On 4/26/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access for
> one reason or another.  These include things like
>
> * doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action when a
> file appears.
> * FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
> * Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote mainframe
>
> To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
>
> Header Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> .
> .
> Trailer Rec
>
> The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is
> coming
> from, the date of the file etc.
>
> The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients, payment
> dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the check number
> etc.
>
> The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of checks,
> the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
>
> I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it works,
> but
> it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to reference specific
> libs,
> go outside of VBA to handle things like the file system and text streams
> (in
> an object oriented manner) and so forth.  There are no threads so a single
> error can hang the system, and things that should happen in parallel have
> to
> happen sequentially.
>
> So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  What I
> am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) deployed to the
> desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more than one person,
> often
> at the same time.  At the moment, because they are Access / vba based, I
> just do a copy down to the desktop (a single file) and open the mdb.  A
> form
> opens and the user goes to work.  These applets are under constant
> development, literally daily as I finish one report another is
> started.  Bug
> fixes are done.
>
> I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed as
> well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the vehicle
> for
> this distribution?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 07:39:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c788c9$1943db70$657aa8c0@m6805>

>One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that

LOL, so what, is that term reserved for Java now?  Applet = little
application to me.  Java is so unimportant to me that I have no problem in
borrowing the term to mean something actually useful.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions

One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that, the One-Click
technology in .NET should please you immensely. While you explore that, I
also suggest a terrific product called Total Commander, which is a
Windows-based "clone" + extension of Norton Commander, and includes FTP
facilities, so you could use it to get immediately to your goal, while you
experiment with the One-Click .NET technology.

A.


On 4/26/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access 
> for one reason or another.  These include things like
>
> * doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action 
> when a file appears.
> * FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
> * Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote 
> mainframe
>
> To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
>
> Header Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> .
> .
> Trailer Rec
>
> The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is 
> coming from, the date of the file etc.
>
> The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients, 
> payment dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the 
> check number etc.
>
> The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of 
> checks, the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
>
> I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it 
> works, but it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to 
> reference specific libs, go outside of VBA to handle things like the 
> file system and text streams (in an object oriented manner) and so 
> forth.  There are no threads so a single error can hang the system, 
> and things that should happen in parallel have to happen sequentially.
>
> So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  
> What I am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) 
> deployed to the desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more 
> than one person, often at the same time.  At the moment, because they 
> are Access / vba based, I just do a copy down to the desktop (a single 
> file) and open the mdb.  A form opens and the user goes to work.  
> These applets are under constant development, literally daily as I 
> finish one report another is started.  Bug fixes are done.
>
> I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed 
> as well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the 
> vehicle for this distribution?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 27 08:07:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:07:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <004201c786a1$0b4582f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001d01c788cd$14c02b40$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 08:26:22 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:26:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
Message-ID: <s632162d.053@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, but this package is an addendum - special for Small Business Partners - and it doesn't even contain the usual list of included and previously supplied cd/dvd roms.
I've sent a notice to the MS distribution center hoping they will sort it out.

/gustav

>>> john at winhaven.net 26-04-2007 19:25 >>>
The first shipment of MSDN comes with everything and then gets updated
afterwards. Seems odd that they wouldn't do the same with the Action Pack
(but I don't know for sure as I don't get that).

I'd advise you contact the MS rep and check on it.



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 08:34:03 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:34:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <001d01c788cd$14c02b40$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004201c786a1$0b4582f0$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001d01c788cd$14c02b40$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000401c788d0$b9f0f560$5101a8c0@LT>

You could try:-

    Dim objMe As Outlook.Recipient instead of just Recipient.

I always do things like Dim objOutlook as outlook.application, etc.
Expressly state what the object is.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 27 08:54:10 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:54:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <000401c788d0$b9f0f560$5101a8c0@LT>
Message-ID: <003001c788d3$88684400$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Max:

Then where would I reference outlook.application in the code?  Or is the Dim
all that's necessary?  Wouldn't I need a Set statement as well and then a
reference to it in the doe?

TIA

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

You could try:-

    Dim objMe As Outlook.Recipient instead of just Recipient.

I always do things like Dim objOutlook as outlook.application, etc.
Expressly state what the object is.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:01:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:01:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <00d501c788c9$1943db70$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<00d501c788c9$1943db70$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270701i38d99d1cle20d9c712648c7a5@mail.gmail.com>

Oh sorry, JC, it's only the most widely used programming language in the
world, but when you're stepping on toes, why not step on the big toe? An
applet is a chunk of Java code that runs inside a web page. Incidentally,
that is not my statistic but Information Week's. That's why I'm learning it
now. Actually, I'm on a crash course at the moment. I'm learning Java, Perl
and C#/VB.NET (they are so similar they might as well be one language, but
there is an objective difference -- you can charge more money for C#; c.f.
Visual Studio magazine's stats).

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that
>
> LOL, so what, is that term reserved for Java now?  Applet = little
> application to me.  Java is so unimportant to me that I have no problem in
> borrowing the term to mean something actually useful.
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 09:10:08 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:10:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 09:11:00 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:11:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01c788d5$e24e1c90$657aa8c0@m6805>

>I also suggest a terrific product called Total Commander, which is a
Windows-based "clone" + extension of Norton Commander, and includes FTP
facilities, so you could use it to get immediately to your goal, while you
experiment with the One-Click .NET technology.

My goal isn't a file manager replacement.  My goal is a program which ftps
files down to the local hard drive, unzips them, unencrypts them, and loads
them into a database.  Each such file is specific to one particular client
insurer (client of my client) and there are potentially dozens of them, a
half dozen at the moment.  Each from a different company, each coming from a
different FTP site (obviously), each formatted differently (but with
patterns which allow a generic solution).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions

One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that, the One-Click
technology in .NET should please you immensely. While you explore that, I
also suggest a terrific product called Total Commander, which is a
Windows-based "clone" + extension of Norton Commander, and includes FTP
facilities, so you could use it to get immediately to your goal, while you
experiment with the One-Click .NET technology.

A.


On 4/26/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of processes that are not particularly suited to Access 
> for one reason or another.  These include things like
>
> * doing what I call "directory watching" and performing some action 
> when a file appears.
> * FTP transfers between local drives and FTP sites
> * Building complex data feeds between a database and a remote 
> mainframe
>
> To take an example, I regularly build data feeds which look like:
>
> Header Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> Detail Rec
> .
> .
> Trailer Rec
>
> The header rec has some specific set of data in it such as who it is 
> coming from, the date of the file etc.
>
> The detail recs have repetitive data such as payments to clients, 
> payment dates, from/to dates that the payment is for, the amount, the 
> check number etc.
>
> The footer rec has some specific data in it such as the number of 
> checks, the bank account number that the checks are drawn against etc.
>
> I have built a report generator in VBA, inside of access, and it 
> works, but it is really rather patchwork by nature.  I have to 
> reference specific libs, go outside of VBA to handle things like the 
> file system and text streams (in an object oriented manner) and so 
> forth.  There are no threads so a single error can hang the system, 
> and things that should happen in parallel have to happen sequentially.
>
> So, I would like to take one of these systems and move it to .Net.  
> What I am trying to discover is how .Net systems are (reliably) 
> deployed to the desktop.  Often times these applets are used by more 
> than one person, often at the same time.  At the moment, because they 
> are Access / vba based, I just do a copy down to the desktop (a single 
> file) and open the mdb.  A form opens and the user goes to work.  
> These applets are under constant development, literally daily as I 
> finish one report another is started.  Bug fixes are done.
>
> I assume (but am not sure) that a VB.Net applet would be distributed 
> as well, downloaded to the desktop and run from there.  What is the 
> vehicle for this distribution?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 09:21:34 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:21:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270701i38d99d1cle20d9c712648c7a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805><29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com><00d501c788c9$1943db70$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270701i38d99d1cle20d9c712648c7a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ef01c788d7$5c7583e0$657aa8c0@m6805>

ROTFL.  If I actually ever gave a crap about stepping on toes it might, I
suppose, matter (but very damned little as it turns out).  If I stepped on
yours, well... 

Given that soldiers are dying in Iraq, men, women and children are dying in
civil wars all over Africa, opium is the largest cash crop in Afghanistan,
children are used as sex slaves all over the world, the average factory
worker in China makes just a few dollars a day... well... Hmmm...

Just how important is this again?  Java rates about 1 on a scale of 1^99 in
the grander scheme of things and my borrowing a term from that rates
somewhere about 1^9999999 in the scheme of things.

If my borrowing the term bothers you, I would have to say go work on one of
the problems above and then come back in a year and tell me how much it
really matters.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions

Oh sorry, JC, it's only the most widely used programming language in the
world, but when you're stepping on toes, why not step on the big toe? An
applet is a chunk of Java code that runs inside a web page. Incidentally,
that is not my statistic but Information Week's. That's why I'm learning it
now. Actually, I'm on a crash course at the moment. I'm learning Java, Perl
and C#/VB.NET (they are so similar they might as well be one language, but
there is an objective difference -- you can charge more money for C#; c.f.
Visual Studio magazine's stats).

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >One doesn't write applets in VB.NET, JC, but aside from that
>
> LOL, so what, is that term reserved for Java now?  Applet = little 
> application to me.  Java is so unimportant to me that I have no 
> problem in borrowing the term to mean something actually useful.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:24:50 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:24:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c788d5$e24e1c90$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ee01c788d5$e24e1c90$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270724g2e0614fdk6e6c7b5315a167@mail.gmail.com>

You're not going to get this all in one package, I think. But for the SQL
database creation/installation part, have a look at Red Gate's SQL Packager.
It is amazing. Once you create said package, any number of FTP tools will do
the rest for you. Virtually all FTP tools are scriptable, so you can make
them do anything you want, assuming that the recipient has granted you the
authority to do so.

A.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:28:40 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:28:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270728n57536681x88d0bf1bc88180b3@mail.gmail.com>

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly since
MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio Magazine and
CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google vbJumpStart
and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this book so good that
I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than Access.

Arthur


On 4/27/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
> start?
> The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
> handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
> 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...
>
> In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
> 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
> worth the effort to study?
>
> I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic
> seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
> discuss Access here?
>
> One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
> third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
> preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.
>
> Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
> development is second, and game development won't come into play.
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> /gustav
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 09:30:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:30:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Gustav,

I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.

I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
express versions do not provide. 

As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
stuff, then I can re-examine my options.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems
to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 09:31:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:31:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270724g2e0614fdk6e6c7b5315a167@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00bd01c78876$f00d7240$657aa8c0@m6805><29f585dd0704270152y4c56c12ds3be5fc7a6d929c2@mail.gmail.com><00ee01c788d5$e24e1c90$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<29f585dd0704270724g2e0614fdk6e6c7b5315a167@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f201c788d8$cdd26660$657aa8c0@m6805>

Yes, I use 3DFTP which is an amazing package and scriptable.  It turns out
that FTP is one of the things not native to the .Net framework (not sure
why) so a third party tool is required.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying .net solutions

You're not going to get this all in one package, I think. But for the SQL
database creation/installation part, have a look at Red Gate's SQL Packager.
It is amazing. Once you create said package, any number of FTP tools will do
the rest for you. Virtually all FTP tools are scriptable, so you can make
them do anything you want, assuming that the recipient has granted you the
authority to do so.

A.
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr 27 09:43:32 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:43:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JH500LK8VKOP2S9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

Gustav,

The book that helped me transition my Access/VB skills to the .NET world was

ASP.NET Tips, Tutorials, AND CODE (emphasis mine)

http://www.amazon.com/ASP-NET-Tips-Tutorials-Scott-Mitchell/dp/0672321432/re
f=sr_1_1/103-9789491-9429402?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177683655&sr=8-1

1. The biggest advantage I found in this book over those that I looked into
before buying this 2 yrs ago were the code snippets that clearly explained
and helped me transition my VB knowledge into VB.NET. The main code samples
that benefited me were on datasets, datagrids, arraylists and hashtables
because I was looking for a quick way to understand how .NET handled the
data access layer. I was already proficient in ADO and the examples that
included ADO.NET were very helpful.

2. Majority of the code in the first few chapters were devoted to VB.NET.
This was a big plus since I didn't need to or want to jump to .NET from my
VBA/VB background. The writers of course have samples in C# and it doesn't
take long to quickly transition to the C# version once you are comfortable
in VB.NET.

3. I bought this book precisely for the good code samples. I don't have the
time or patience either to wade through 50 pages of explanation when a few
lines of code smattered with comments would suffice.

The application development environment that helped me transition from VB to
VB.NET was Web Matrix. This was the pre-cursor to Visual Studio. Best of all
was that it was free. It worked great for coding but was very poor for page
layout so I had to use Dreamweaver for that purpose.

Today I develop web-based applications that interface with SQL Server
2000/2005 using C# as the programming language with VS.NET 2003 as the
development environment. Since I am quite proficient in HTML and javascript
(same syntax as C#), I no longer switch to Dreamweaver for page layout.
Instead I switch to HTML view and modify HTML and javascript code manually.

I have not transitioned from .NET ver 1.1 to 2.0. One of these days I will
probably skip 2.0 and move to 3.0.

For reporting I create custom reports using the regular .NET application
development route. I have also used Crystal Reports (which closely resembles
the Access band-type report generator) with SQL stored procedures. I've
stayed away from SQL Reporting Services because the version prior to 2005 is
limited in functionality although I've had to modify SQL Reporting Services
2000 code in VS.NET and also transitioned some of these reports to Crystal
Reports. As far as I'm concerned the major advantages of these two reporting
engines is the ease with which you can export the report data to any number
of formats (Excel, PDF, Word, ASCII, etc...) without any coding other than
knowing how to call those functions or utilize those classes to output the
report.

Today I have built my own data access layer, security layer and
common/utility libraries which I use for every project I develop in C#. I
have also built a couple of my own web controls that encapsulate
functionality such as CRUD operations to speed up the development cycle.

And I do agree...even if VB.NET and C# produce the same DLL, you can
definitely charge more money and have more respect as a C# developer
compared to a VB.NET developer. It's that same "Access is just a toy"
mentality.

Eric 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems
to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav



 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:49:37 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:49:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <003001c788d3$88684400$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000401c788d0$b9f0f560$5101a8c0@LT>
	<003001c788d3$88684400$0501a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000b01c788db$49aeb430$5101a8c0@LT>

Hi Rocky
Try messing around with this.  I think I have used this function before.
No error handling in example
Max


Public Function pfSendEmail()

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset

  Dim strSubject As String

  Dim strText As String, bDisplayMsg As Boolean

  Set dbs = CurrentDb

  Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("QE_ActiveEmails")

  If rst.EOF Then

    GoTo exithere

  Else

    bDisplayMsg = False 'True

    Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application

    Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem

    Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient

    Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment

    ' Create the Outlook session.

    Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

    ' Create the message.

    strSubject = "Newsletter"

    strText = "Dear Supporter," & vbCrLf & _

    "Please note that the latest version of our Newsletters is now available
on our main website at ....etc, etc"    

    Call fStartClickYes(True)

    Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)

    'Always send to MGX (dummy which is valid) ,and BC to recipient to
prevent users seeing each others mail

    ' Add the To recipient(s) to the message.

    With objOutlookMsg

      Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("mgx at abcdef.org")

      objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo

      ' Set the Subject, Body, and Importance of the message.

      .Subject = strSubject

      .Body = strText & vbCrLf & vbCrLf

      '.Importance = olImportanceHigh  'High importance

 

      ' Add attachments to the message.

      'If Not IsMissing(AttachmentPath) Then

      '  Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(AttachmentPath)

      'End If

 

      ' Resolve each Recipient's name.

      'For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients

      '  objOutlookRecip.Resolve

      'Next

 

      rst.MoveFirst

      Do While Not rst.EOF

        If Len(rst!EmailUsed) > 0 and InStr(rst!EmailUsed, "@") > 0 Then

 

          ' Add the CC recipient(s) to the message.

          'Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("Name of person")

          'objOutlookRecip.Type = olCC

 

          ' Add the BCC recipient(s) to the message.

          Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(rst!EmailUsed)

          objOutlookRecip.Type = olBCC

 

        End If

        DoEvents ' give user time to cancel

        rst.MoveNext

      Loop

      ' add myself in as a BCC to see what it looks like.  should not see
anybody else's BCC address

      Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("me at myemailaddress.org")

      objOutlookRecip.Type = olBCC

      ' Should we display the message before sending?

      If bDisplayMsg Then

        .Display

      Else

        .Save

        .Send

      End If

    End With

    Call fStartClickYes(False)

  End If

exithere:

  'MsgBox "Done"

  Set objOutlook = Nothing: Set dbs = Nothing: Set rst = Nothing

  Exit Function

End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Max:

Then where would I reference outlook.application in the code?  Or is the Dim
all that's necessary?  Wouldn't I need a Set statement as well and then a
reference to it in the doe?

TIA

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

You could try:-

    Dim objMe As Outlook.Recipient instead of just Recipient.

I always do things like Dim objOutlook as outlook.application, etc.
Expressly state what the object is.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr 27 09:53:15 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:53:15 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000101c788db$c951dff0$6401a8c0@nant>

<<<
As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  
>>>
John,

VS2005 Professional has Crystal Reports - when one gets on speed with CR
they can make very advanced reports with it - the reports, which can't be
done with MS Access.

IOW every report, which can be done in MS Access can be done in CR. But the
opposite is not true. CR is (much) more powerful than MS Access Report
Generator...

Well, embedded in VS2005 CR IDE is limited comparing to professional version
of CR, still it (VS2005 CR) is good enough to design reports but after MS
Access report designer one usually feels that limited CR IDE as RPITA (There
is no any functionality of CR engine limited - just IDE).

And reports created with CR within VS2005 professional can be distributed
with royalty free CR engine, which can be downloaded from Internet...

What is also good with CR is that reports created for desktop applications
can be relatively easy moved to use from Web Server (CR Server (not free) is
needed for that) - there will be no need to do any redesign of these reports
and CR Server is "smart" enough and handles large reports in small chunks,
which can be quickly downloaded on client computer...


--
Shamil
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Gustav,

I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.

I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
express versions do not provide. 

As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
stuff, then I can re-examine my options.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems
to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:55:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:55:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk> <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704270755o1deb4eb6t71769f3a175f0efa@mail.gmail.com>

Are you kidding? The report stuff in VS 2005 is killer technology! It blows
Access and Crystal and various other contenders out of the water. IMO it is
the definitive reporting technology extant.

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Gustav,
>
> I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got
> it
> at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
> and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.
>
> I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
> speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free
> and
> provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment
> anyway.
> Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
> express versions do not provide.
>
> As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
> Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
> actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
> report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the
> .Net
> stuff, then I can re-examine my options.
>
>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 10:00:51 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:00:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CC9@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Gustav,

If someone else is paying for it, the AppDev CBT on .Net is an excellent
starting point.  We used them in my office to bring the VBA duffers
(like me) up to speed in .Net.  It doesn't teach you all you need to
know, but it gets you firmly grounded in the basics.  After that, it
depends on your direction.  Web is different from Windows is distinct
from database apps, etc.

The 3rd party report generators are all built on extensions to the .Net
report generator, so it can't be that bad, but we use DataDynamics
ActiveReports because it is fairly similar to the Access report
generator and includes a conversion wizard, which is handy as a starting
place when porting the reports over.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where
to start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for
Access 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience
...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for
VS 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these
tutorials worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic
seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level
as we discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor
and third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to
be preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 10:05:07 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:05:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <000101c788db$c951dff0$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <00f101c788d8$946eeec0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000101c788db$c951dff0$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <00f601c788dd$71c05ad0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Shamil,

Unfortunately what I have now is the standard version. Until such time as I
am actually doing paying work in the package I will not be buying the
professional version.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

<<<
As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  
>>>
John,

VS2005 Professional has Crystal Reports - when one gets on speed with CR
they can make very advanced reports with it - the reports, which can't be
done with MS Access.

IOW every report, which can be done in MS Access can be done in CR. But the
opposite is not true. CR is (much) more powerful than MS Access Report
Generator...

Well, embedded in VS2005 CR IDE is limited comparing to professional version
of CR, still it (VS2005 CR) is good enough to design reports but after MS
Access report designer one usually feels that limited CR IDE as RPITA (There
is no any functionality of CR engine limited - just IDE).

And reports created with CR within VS2005 professional can be distributed
with royalty free CR engine, which can be downloaded from Internet...

What is also good with CR is that reports created for desktop applications
can be relatively easy moved to use from Web Server (CR Server (not free) is
needed for that) - there will be no need to do any redesign of these reports
and CR Server is "smart" enough and handles large reports in small chunks,
which can be quickly downloaded on client computer...


--
Shamil
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Gustav,

I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.

I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
express versions do not provide. 

As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
stuff, then I can re-examine my options.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi all

It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But where to
start?
The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and
handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for Access
97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...

In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs for VS
2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these tutorials
worth the effort to study?

I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic seems
to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level as we
discuss Access here?

One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor and
third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are to be
preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of Access.

Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure web
development is second, and game development won't come into play.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

/gustav


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 10:10:44 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:10:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704270728n57536681x88d0bf1bc88180b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk>
	<29f585dd0704270728n57536681x88d0bf1bc88180b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
"Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
Magazine and CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
Access.

Arthur


On 4/27/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But 
> where to start?
> The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and

> handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for 
> Access
> 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...
>
> In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs 
> for VS
> 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these 
> tutorials worth the effort to study?
>
> I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic 
> seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level

> as we discuss Access here?
>
> One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor 
> and third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are 
> to be preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of
Access.
>
> Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure 
> web development is second, and game development won't come into play.
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> /gustav
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr 27 10:19:34 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:19:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <s632207f.057@cactus.dk><29f585dd0704270728n57536681x88d0bf1bc88180b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869FE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

www.asp.net
www.4guysfromrolla.com
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974465
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Fri 27/04/2007 16:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?



But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
"Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
Magazine and CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
Access.

Arthur


On 4/27/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> It seems to be the time for me to get into the Dot Net stuff. But
> where to start?
> The only books on Access I've ever had are the original references and

> handbooks for Access 1 and 2 and the Application Development book for
> Access
> 97 so I'm reluctant to buy books - I just don't have the patience ...
>
> In the Action Pack - which we subscribe to - I've noticed two discs
> for VS
> 2005 Express, "Corbis Image Disc" and "Getting Started". Are these
> tutorials worth the effort to study?
>
> I browsed our vb list archive, which I don't subsribe to, and traffic
> seems to be low, so where to discuss Dot Net matters at the same level

> as we discuss Access here?
>
> One thing I think I've understood is that report design in VS is poor
> and third party tools or Report Design Service of SQL Server 2005 are
> to be preferred if you need reports on a level that match that of
Access.
>
> Of course, my main interest is anything related to databases - pure
> web development is second, and game development won't come into play.
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> /gustav
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 27 10:39:40 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:39:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Default BCC
In-Reply-To: <000b01c788db$49aeb430$5101a8c0@LT>
Message-ID: <003f01c788e2$45915f90$0501a8c0@HAL9005>

Max:

That would work EXCEPT.  The problem is not part of an Access app.  I've got
some code like that and it works real good.

But she wants to create, reply and/or forward emails in Outlook and have the
Bcc automagically add when creating, forwarding, or replying. And she wants
to see it before the mail is sent so she can delete the Bcc is it's not
appropriate.  Right now she's adding her assistant's email as a Bcc to about
80% of the messages she sends.

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Hi Rocky
Try messing around with this.  I think I have used this function before.
No error handling in example
Max


Public Function pfSendEmail()

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset

  Dim strSubject As String

  Dim strText As String, bDisplayMsg As Boolean

  Set dbs = CurrentDb

  Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("QE_ActiveEmails")

  If rst.EOF Then

    GoTo exithere

  Else

    bDisplayMsg = False 'True

    Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application

    Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem

    Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient

    Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment

    ' Create the Outlook session.

    Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

    ' Create the message.

    strSubject = "Newsletter"

    strText = "Dear Supporter," & vbCrLf & _

    "Please note that the latest version of our Newsletters is now available
on our main website at ....etc, etc"    

    Call fStartClickYes(True)

    Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)

    'Always send to MGX (dummy which is valid) ,and BC to recipient to
prevent users seeing each others mail

    ' Add the To recipient(s) to the message.

    With objOutlookMsg

      Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("mgx at abcdef.org")

      objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo

      ' Set the Subject, Body, and Importance of the message.

      .Subject = strSubject

      .Body = strText & vbCrLf & vbCrLf

      '.Importance = olImportanceHigh  'High importance

 

      ' Add attachments to the message.

      'If Not IsMissing(AttachmentPath) Then

      '  Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(AttachmentPath)

      'End If

 

      ' Resolve each Recipient's name.

      'For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients

      '  objOutlookRecip.Resolve

      'Next

 

      rst.MoveFirst

      Do While Not rst.EOF

        If Len(rst!EmailUsed) > 0 and InStr(rst!EmailUsed, "@") > 0 Then

 

          ' Add the CC recipient(s) to the message.

          'Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("Name of person")

          'objOutlookRecip.Type = olCC

 

          ' Add the BCC recipient(s) to the message.

          Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(rst!EmailUsed)

          objOutlookRecip.Type = olBCC

 

        End If

        DoEvents ' give user time to cancel

        rst.MoveNext

      Loop

      ' add myself in as a BCC to see what it looks like.  should not see
anybody else's BCC address

      Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add("me at myemailaddress.org")

      objOutlookRecip.Type = olBCC

      ' Should we display the message before sending?

      If bDisplayMsg Then

        .Display

      Else

        .Save

        .Send

      End If

    End With

    Call fStartClickYes(False)

  End If

exithere:

  'MsgBox "Done"

  Set objOutlook = Nothing: Set dbs = Nothing: Set rst = Nothing

  Exit Function

End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Max:

Then where would I reference outlook.application in the code?  Or is the Dim
all that's necessary?  Wouldn't I need a Set statement as well and then a
reference to it in the doe?

TIA

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

You could try:-

    Dim objMe As Outlook.Recipient instead of just Recipient.

I always do things like Dim objOutlook as outlook.application, etc.
Expressly state what the object is.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Dear List:

The code below is not being run when I send an email.  The message I send is
being delivered but not the Bcc.  I inserted a MsgBox at the head of the
code just to see if it would show up and it didn't.  Does anyone see why
it's not running that code when an email is sent?  I'm running OL 2003.

MTIA,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Making progress.  The project window wasn't displayed by default.  But I
found how to display it, double-clicked ThisOutlookSession, and pasted into
the code window:

Private Sub Application_ItemSend(ByVal Item As Object, Cancel As Boolean)
    Dim objMe As Recipient
    Set objMe = Item.Recipients.Add("bchacc at san.rr.com")
    objMe.Type = olBCC
    objMe.Resolve
    Set objMe = Nothing
End Sub

 However, it's not sending a Bcc to bchacc at san.rr.com.  

Have I missed a step?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

On the left, you should have a project window, a tree representation of your
Outlook VBA project.  Top item should be Project1, with Microsoft Outlook as
a child, in turn ThisOutlookSession will be a child of that.
Double click that to bring up it's code page.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

 " go into the code window,"  using Alt-F11?

"there is a 'ThisOutlookSession' object."  I don't see that.  The left combo
box has only (General) in it.  Where would I look for it?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

When you go into the code window, there is a 'ThisOutlookSession'
object.

Click that, and you should get a blank code page.  Click the left drop down
box in the code page and select Application.  The right drop down will then
have the ItemSend event.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

Marty:

You know I found that site.  And the code makes sense.  But I've never put
any code behind Outlook.  Don't know how to get that code attached to the
Item_Send event (if there is such a thing).  Any hints on how to?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC

This site says you have to do through VBA code.
or use third party add-in
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/createbccrule.htm

To automatically Bcc all outgoing messages.
http://www.outlookcode.com/d/code/autobcc.htm

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:

>Yes, but she has to insert her AA's email address manually on every 
>email that goes to a client that she wants to copy the AA on.  So she 
>was looking for a way to have the AA's email automatically  entered in 
>the Bcc line on every email.
>
>Rocky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>
>Sorry if this is too simplistic, but she does have the View BCC option 
>ticked doesn't she?
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>Smolin at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: 23 April 2007 17:51
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>Almost there.  The user who asked me for this wants to Bcc.  
>>The rule wizard
>>seems to only allow CC.   It's a law office and this person 
>>wants to Bcc her
>>admin assistant.  Is there a way to do Bcc?
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:39 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Okay, step by step using Outlook 2003.
>>
>>Click Tools --> Rules and Alerts
>>
>>Click New Rule
>>
>>Select 'Start from a blank rule' (not default selection)
>>
>>Under Step1, select Check messages after sending, click next.
>>
>>Click next again (you will be prompted again, click Yes)
>>
>>(Side note, this rule now applies to ALL email you send.  The last 
>>Next and Yes skipped past conditions you may want to choose)
>>
>>Select 'CC the message to people or distribution list'.
>>
>>In the step 2 window, click the underlines 'people or distribution 
>>list' to select the address you want the copy sent too.
>>
>>Click Next, then Next again (this one skips the exceptions that you 
>>can apply to your rule)
>>
>>Click Finish
>>
>>All done!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:02 AM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>>That WOULD be easy.  But I don't see a rule that governs outgoing 
>>addresses. Only sorting incoming mail.  Am I missing it somewhere?
>>
>>Rocky
>> 	
>>	
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:11 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>Probably easier to use a rule. (There's a rule wizard to help out).
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

>>at Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Default BCC
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>Is there a way to default an email address into the BCC field in 
>>Outlook when you create a new message?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rocky
>>    
>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 10:39:30 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:39:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6323566.058@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

All samples? It lists 470 on Visual Studio alone!

Found the JumpStart code download and the book: 

  http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/
  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/

Thanks!

/gustav



>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:28 >>>
Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly since
MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio Magazine and
CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google vbJumpStart
and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this book so good that
I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than Access.

Arthur




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 10:46:47 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:46:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6323728.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Eric

Thanks, very useful.
Are you joining a list like this, or do you manage on your own?

/gustav

>>> ebarro at verizon.net 27-04-2007 16:43 >>>
Gustav,

The book that helped me transition my Access/VB skills to the .NET world was

ASP.NET Tips, Tutorials, AND CODE (emphasis mine)

http://www.amazon.com/ASP-NET-Tips-Tutorials-Scott-Mitchell/dp/0672321432/re 
f=sr_1_1/103-9789491-9429402?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177683655&sr=8-1

1. The biggest advantage I found in this book over those that I looked into
before buying this 2 yrs ago were the code snippets that clearly explained
and helped me transition my VB knowledge into VB.NET. The main code samples
that benefited me were on datasets, datagrids, arraylists and hashtables
because I was looking for a quick way to understand how .NET handled the
data access layer. I was already proficient in ADO and the examples that
included ADO.NET were very helpful.

2. Majority of the code in the first few chapters were devoted to VB.NET.
This was a big plus since I didn't need to or want to jump to .NET from my
VBA/VB background. The writers of course have samples in C# and it doesn't
take long to quickly transition to the C# version once you are comfortable
in VB.NET.

3. I bought this book precisely for the good code samples. I don't have the
time or patience either to wade through 50 pages of explanation when a few
lines of code smattered with comments would suffice.

The application development environment that helped me transition from VB to
VB.NET was Web Matrix. This was the pre-cursor to Visual Studio. Best of all
was that it was free. It worked great for coding but was very poor for page
layout so I had to use Dreamweaver for that purpose.

Today I develop web-based applications that interface with SQL Server
2000/2005 using C# as the programming language with VS.NET 2003 as the
development environment. Since I am quite proficient in HTML and javascript
(same syntax as C#), I no longer switch to Dreamweaver for page layout.
Instead I switch to HTML view and modify HTML and javascript code manually.

I have not transitioned from .NET ver 1.1 to 2.0. One of these days I will
probably skip 2.0 and move to 3.0.

For reporting I create custom reports using the regular .NET application
development route. I have also used Crystal Reports (which closely resembles
the Access band-type report generator) with SQL stored procedures. I've
stayed away from SQL Reporting Services because the version prior to 2005 is
limited in functionality although I've had to modify SQL Reporting Services
2000 code in VS.NET and also transitioned some of these reports to Crystal
Reports. As far as I'm concerned the major advantages of these two reporting
engines is the ease with which you can export the report data to any number
of formats (Excel, PDF, Word, ASCII, etc...) without any coding other than
knowing how to call those functions or utilize those classes to output the
report.

Today I have built my own data access layer, security layer and
common/utility libraries which I use for every project I develop in C#. I
have also built a couple of my own web controls that encapsulate
functionality such as CRUD operations to speed up the development cycle.

And I do agree...even if VB.NET and C# produce the same DLL, you can
definitely charge more money and have more respect as a C# developer
compared to a VB.NET developer. It's that same "Access is just a toy"
mentality.

Eric 





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 10:53:13 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:53:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words as I like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen to Shamil and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may encounter, reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:55 >>>
Are you kidding? The report stuff in VS 2005 is killer technology! It blows
Access and Crystal and various other contenders out of the water. IMO it is
the definitive reporting technology extant.

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Gustav,
>
> I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
> at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
> and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.
>
> I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
> speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
> provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
> Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
> express versions do not provide.
>
> As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
> Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
> actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
> report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
> stuff, then I can re-examine my options.





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 10:58:40 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:58:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s63239dc.062@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

That is so true; database handling is a key point. Also, I've seen so much poor code from web programmers that just know how to connect to a database and think that's it.

That book, does it explain in depth of n-tier which I feel is very important and powerful?
And is your data tier built on that code or did you create it from scratch?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 27-04-2007 17:10 >>>
But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
"Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
Magazine and CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
Access.

Arthur




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 11:04:52 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:04:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6323b62.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

Thanks. I do remember this sites now.
I can see they can keep you busy for a weekend or two!

A feature series of articles on databases is up right now:

http://aspnet.4guysfromrolla.com/articles/041107-1.aspx

/gustav

>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 27-04-2007 17:19 >>>
www.asp.net 
www.4guysfromrolla.com 
 
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974465





From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr 27 11:12:23 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:12:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s6323728.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0JH500BOSZOMWCO3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

Gustav,

No, I haven't joined any .NET specific list. I find most of the snippets of
code I need by googling them. AccessD is really the only list that offers
any value since the discussions aren't limited to pure code.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Eric

Thanks, very useful.
Are you joining a list like this, or do you manage on your own?

/gustav

>>> ebarro at verizon.net 27-04-2007 16:43 >>>
Gustav,

The book that helped me transition my Access/VB skills to the .NET world was

ASP.NET Tips, Tutorials, AND CODE (emphasis mine)

http://www.amazon.com/ASP-NET-Tips-Tutorials-Scott-Mitchell/dp/0672321432/re
f=sr_1_1/103-9789491-9429402?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177683655&sr=8-1

1. The biggest advantage I found in this book over those that I looked into
before buying this 2 yrs ago were the code snippets that clearly explained
and helped me transition my VB knowledge into VB.NET. The main code samples
that benefited me were on datasets, datagrids, arraylists and hashtables
because I was looking for a quick way to understand how .NET handled the
data access layer. I was already proficient in ADO and the examples that
included ADO.NET were very helpful.

2. Majority of the code in the first few chapters were devoted to VB.NET.
This was a big plus since I didn't need to or want to jump to .NET from my
VBA/VB background. The writers of course have samples in C# and it doesn't
take long to quickly transition to the C# version once you are comfortable
in VB.NET.

3. I bought this book precisely for the good code samples. I don't have the
time or patience either to wade through 50 pages of explanation when a few
lines of code smattered with comments would suffice.

The application development environment that helped me transition from VB to
VB.NET was Web Matrix. This was the pre-cursor to Visual Studio. Best of all
was that it was free. It worked great for coding but was very poor for page
layout so I had to use Dreamweaver for that purpose.

Today I develop web-based applications that interface with SQL Server
2000/2005 using C# as the programming language with VS.NET 2003 as the
development environment. Since I am quite proficient in HTML and javascript
(same syntax as C#), I no longer switch to Dreamweaver for page layout.
Instead I switch to HTML view and modify HTML and javascript code manually.

I have not transitioned from .NET ver 1.1 to 2.0. One of these days I will
probably skip 2.0 and move to 3.0.

For reporting I create custom reports using the regular .NET application
development route. I have also used Crystal Reports (which closely resembles
the Access band-type report generator) with SQL stored procedures. I've
stayed away from SQL Reporting Services because the version prior to 2005 is
limited in functionality although I've had to modify SQL Reporting Services
2000 code in VS.NET and also transitioned some of these reports to Crystal
Reports. As far as I'm concerned the major advantages of these two reporting
engines is the ease with which you can export the report data to any number
of formats (Excel, PDF, Word, ASCII, etc...) without any coding other than
knowing how to call those functions or utilize those classes to output the
report.

Today I have built my own data access layer, security layer and
common/utility libraries which I use for every project I develop in C#. I
have also built a couple of my own web controls that encapsulate
functionality such as CRUD operations to speed up the development cycle.

And I do agree...even if VB.NET and C# produce the same DLL, you can
definitely charge more money and have more respect as a C# developer
compared to a VB.NET developer. It's that same "Access is just a toy"
mentality.

Eric 






From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Apr 27 11:15:52 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:15:52 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000601c788e7$53bc70f0$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct Arthur?
The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx 
 
I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with MS
SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here about
it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life projects
and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I noted
already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine than
MS Access...

Of course it all depends on task to be developed - in some cases MS Acecss
reporting is all you need. But if you aim at many deployment scenarios of
your reporting solutions then CR is one of the best. I have heard (and
Charlotte approves that here) that Active Reports is also very good (I did
"touch" it one time in the past - and it looked more easy to start with it
than with CR but my customer was "CR-infected" therefore I was forced to
work with CR)...


--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words as I
like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen to Shamil
and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may encounter,
reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:55 >>>
Are you kidding? The report stuff in VS 2005 is killer technology! It blows
Access and Crystal and various other contenders out of the water. IMO it is
the definitive reporting technology extant.

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Gustav,
>
> I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got
it
> at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
> and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.
>
> I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
> speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free
and
> provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment
anyway.
> Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
> express versions do not provide.
>
> As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
> Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
> actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
> report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the
.Net
> stuff, then I can re-examine my options.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 11:18:48 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:18:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s63239dc.062@cactus.dk>
References: <s63239dc.062@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
other entities if need be.

Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

That is so true; database handling is a key point. Also, I've seen so
much poor code from web programmers that just know how to connect to a
database and think that's it.

That book, does it explain in depth of n-tier which I feel is very
important and powerful?
And is your data tier built on that code or did you create it from
scratch?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 27-04-2007 17:10 >>>
But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
"Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
Magazine and CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
Access.

Arthur


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 11:23:07 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:23:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk>
References: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00ff01c788e8$57d84550$657aa8c0@m6805>

I have no reason to doubt Arthur (or Shamil), it is simply that when it
comes to actually doing something in .Net I am still so far under water that
there is not even a glimmer of light.  Once I can actually see the surface,
then I will start looking at extraneous stuff like reporting.

<grin> 

I have "played" with .Net, both VS2005 and VB.Net express.  The IDE itself
is so vast that just getting comfortable with that is a job in itself (which
is why I recommend the Express for starters, it is more limited but
similar).  After you do that, becoming familiar with the framework and all
of its classes is another major job.  It is trivial to build a form and get
a button to click.  It is NOT TRIVIAL to (for example) understand how
collections are used, what the various types of collections are and what
they are used for and when to use them etc.  I use collections EVERYWHERE in
Access, but there is only one, and it only has only 4 methods.  

EVERYTHING is an object in .Net.  Simple variables such as strings have
methods for formatting, cutting, pattern recognition etc.  All of the
"string stuff" that are functions in VBA are methods of the string object in
VB.Net.  Classes can be static (don't need to be instantiated) or dynamic(?)
have to be instantiated.  Getting at data isn't just set "db = current db,
set rst = db.open()".  There are FOUR different objects and each of those
objects have a ton of properties and methods.

And that is kind of my point, it seems to put the cart before the horse to
be worrying about reporting if you can't even use a collection correctly
yet.  There is a LOT to do to get comfortable here.  Get a copy of VBA.Net
Express and dig in.  Once you can write code in it as easily as you can in
VBA, then take a breath and worry about the other stuff.  

I have a very real problem that I simply have too much (ACCESS) work to do,
I can't even look up during the day, and I now have two kids as well taking
up my evenings.  My time to "play around" in .Net has been pretty limited,
and there is so much to know that it takes awhile to get familiar.  But I am
trying.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words as I
like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen to Shamil
and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may encounter,
reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 27 11:29:05 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:29:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869FE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <0JH60012409R50D1@l-daemon>

Hi All:

Any great web resources, on .Net that anyone has please resend them to me,
your friendly webmaster at webmaster at databaseadvisors.com and I will
hopefully create the definitive list and then it can be posted, in a section
on the DBA web site for all to reference.

Regards
Jim  



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 11:29:21 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:29:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <0JH60012409R50D1@l-daemon>
References: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2010869FE@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<0JH60012409R50D1@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCF@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Ooooh, you lovely man!  That's one of the things I like best about this
list, the scope of ideas and resources.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

Any great web resources, on .Net that anyone has please resend them to
me, your friendly webmaster at webmaster at databaseadvisors.com and I will
hopefully create the definitive list and then it can be posted, in a
section on the DBA web site for all to reference.

Regards
Jim  

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 11:34:50 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:34:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c788e8$57d84550$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s63238ae.061@cactus.dk> <00ff01c788e8$57d84550$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You forgot to mention that there are umpteen ways to do a thing and NONE
of them is always the right way!  I haven't seen the need for
collections in .Net that exists in Access/VBA.  We do use them, but
classes and structures fill most of the need.  And by the way, classes
can have methods available from a direct call to a class object as well
as methods that can only be called through an instance ... In the same
class.  It's not all or nothing.

Charlotte Foust  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

I have no reason to doubt Arthur (or Shamil), it is simply that when it
comes to actually doing something in .Net I am still so far under water
that there is not even a glimmer of light.  Once I can actually see the
surface, then I will start looking at extraneous stuff like reporting.

<grin> 

I have "played" with .Net, both VS2005 and VB.Net express.  The IDE
itself is so vast that just getting comfortable with that is a job in
itself (which is why I recommend the Express for starters, it is more
limited but similar).  After you do that, becoming familiar with the
framework and all of its classes is another major job.  It is trivial to
build a form and get a button to click.  It is NOT TRIVIAL to (for
example) understand how collections are used, what the various types of
collections are and what they are used for and when to use them etc.  I
use collections EVERYWHERE in Access, but there is only one, and it only
has only 4 methods.  

EVERYTHING is an object in .Net.  Simple variables such as strings have
methods for formatting, cutting, pattern recognition etc.  All of the
"string stuff" that are functions in VBA are methods of the string
object in VB.Net.  Classes can be static (don't need to be instantiated)
or dynamic(?) have to be instantiated.  Getting at data isn't just set
"db = current db, set rst = db.open()".  There are FOUR different
objects and each of those objects have a ton of properties and methods.

And that is kind of my point, it seems to put the cart before the horse
to be worrying about reporting if you can't even use a collection
correctly yet.  There is a LOT to do to get comfortable here.  Get a
copy of VBA.Net Express and dig in.  Once you can write code in it as
easily as you can in VBA, then take a breath and worry about the other
stuff.  

I have a very real problem that I simply have too much (ACCESS) work to
do, I can't even look up during the day, and I now have two kids as well
taking up my evenings.  My time to "play around" in .Net has been pretty
limited, and there is so much to know that it takes awhile to get
familiar.  But I am trying.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words
as I like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen
to Shamil and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may
encounter, reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav


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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Apr 27 13:11:32 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:11:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4260.1177690825.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.4260.1177690825.19514.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200704271815.l3RIFCC1016699@databaseadvisors.com>

All,

There are excellent video tutorials available
on the Microsoft site that you can download and
go through at your own pace.

Also, I would highly recommend getting a tool
like Codesmith and using the .netTier template
for it. This will essentially give you a database
layer essentially the same as Access, but customized
to your SQL Server database.  I cannot vouch for
how it works with anything else as a backend, because
that is all I use any more.

If you don't want to put out the $299 or $99 for
Codesmith (.netTier is free), check out the
Enterprise Library (also free) from Microsoft.
It will give you an Access like object library
that is much easier to program against.  Codesmith
is based on top of this.

John, based on how you like to design with classes,
you will also want to check out the Model-View-
Presenter design pattern.

Robert




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 27 13:25:12 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:25:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Robert

Thanks, this sounds as great tools!

/gustav

>>> rl_stewart at highstream.net 27-04-2007 20:11 >>>
All,

There are excellent video tutorials available
on the Microsoft site that you can download and
go through at your own pace.

Also, I would highly recommend getting a tool
like Codesmith and using the .netTier template
for it. This will essentially give you a database
layer essentially the same as Access, but customized
to your SQL Server database.  I cannot vouch for
how it works with anything else as a backend, because
that is all I use any more.

If you don't want to put out the $299 or $99 for
Codesmith (.netTier is free), check out the
Enterprise Library (also free) from Microsoft.
It will give you an Access like object library
that is much easier to program against.  Codesmith
is based on top of this.

John, based on how you like to design with classes,
you will also want to check out the Model-View-
Presenter design pattern.

Robert




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 15:13:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:13:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re:  Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>

 
Everyone interested in VB and .Net please sign up for our VB list.  I will
be moving my questions and discussions over to that list.

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb

Thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr 27 15:22:17 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:22:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re:  Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk> <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The problem with that is that VB and VB.Net are vastly different.  My
impression has always been that the VB forum was more application
oriented and not much database interest.  I don't want .Net questions
buried in a landslide of VB posts, and I'm not coming from VB but from
Access to .Net.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot
Net,where to start?

 
Everyone interested in VB and .Net please sign up for our VB list.  I
will be moving my questions and discussions over to that list.

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb

Thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 15:32:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:32:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re:  Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk> <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>

LOL, if you have ever been over on the VB list, you will know that you will
not be buried in a landslide of messages.  If and when we have a thriving
VB.NET community going there we can split the lists in two.  I know the
right people.  <grin>  The thought right now is that the VB list isn't used
anyway so why split it into two unused lists.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot
Net,where to start?

The problem with that is that VB and VB.Net are vastly different.  My
impression has always been that the VB forum was more application oriented
and not much database interest.  I don't want .Net questions buried in a
landslide of VB posts, and I'm not coming from VB but from Access to .Net.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot Net,where
to start?

 
Everyone interested in VB and .Net please sign up for our VB list.  I will
be moving my questions and discussions over to that list.

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb

Thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 15:33:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:33:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011901c7890b$504911c0$657aa8c0@m6805>

In playing around with the VB Express I discovered that you can reference an
Access FE in a dataset.  Doing that allows you to see not only all linked
tables, but also all of the queries in the FE.  Theoretically this will
allow me to build, save and use queries there where I am comfortable until
such time as you guys teach me how to build queries inside of VB.Net

One thing I am still struggling to figure out is how to move a table from an
MDB to SQL Server Express.  I have one specific table which is causing
heartaches in Access.  It uses memo fields and there are LOTS of "locking
issues" when users are trying to edit / add these memos.  This is a key
table, where the user adds dated notes about the claim, so users are in
there viewing old notes and adding new notes about phone conversations and
other stuff.  

Microsoft's party line is that these locking issues are often caused by the
way memos are stored in pages on the disk and how JET locks these pages
during edits.  Thus I believe (hope, pray) that if I move that table out to
SQL Server the locking issues will go away since SQL Server handles such
things entirely differently.  A related benefit is that the BE will slim
down considerably.  These memos constitute well over 250 megabytes of data
in a (consolidated) 700 mbyte BE.

I could of course simply  build the table by hand but I would really like to
"just move it", data and all.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Apr 27 15:51:59 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:51:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <011901c7890b$504911c0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JH600LNFCMY68YE@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

Using SQL Management Studio you connect to your SQL Express database where
you want the tables to live and then right click the database name and
select Tasks->Import Data from the drop down menu.

After you select the data source (Microsoft Access) and the file location
for the source and the SQL database for the destination, it will create the
tables for you. You might have to check indexes and copy and paste your
queries (views in SQL). 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

In playing around with the VB Express I discovered that you can reference an
Access FE in a dataset.  Doing that allows you to see not only all linked
tables, but also all of the queries in the FE.  Theoretically this will
allow me to build, save and use queries there where I am comfortable until
such time as you guys teach me how to build queries inside of VB.Net

One thing I am still struggling to figure out is how to move a table from an
MDB to SQL Server Express.  I have one specific table which is causing
heartaches in Access.  It uses memo fields and there are LOTS of "locking
issues" when users are trying to edit / add these memos.  This is a key
table, where the user adds dated notes about the claim, so users are in
there viewing old notes and adding new notes about phone conversations and
other stuff.  

Microsoft's party line is that these locking issues are often caused by the
way memos are stored in pages on the disk and how JET locks these pages
during edits.  Thus I believe (hope, pray) that if I move that table out to
SQL Server the locking issues will go away since SQL Server handles such
things entirely differently.  A related benefit is that the BE will slim
down considerably.  These memos constitute well over 250 megabytes of data
in a (consolidated) 700 mbyte BE.

I could of course simply  build the table by hand but I would really like to
"just move it", data and all.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 18:45:34 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:45:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <7d60f23a0704271348k215adach120403fbf818efef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d60f23a0704271348k215adach120403fbf818efef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012301c78926$274def50$657aa8c0@m6805>

Martin,

Really it is just a matter of "how do you do it".  I am the kind of person
who needs to know the "how it is done" so that I can do it the next time.
In SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition there is a wizard that I use but it
pretty much sucks (at least how I have used it).  Data types are lost,
indexes are lost etc.

HOLY SMOKE batman!  I just ran the SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access
and it WORKED!  I imported my entire billing database into SQL Server
Express.  The wizard would not "find" the SQL Server Express database, but
if I typed it in "m6805\SQLExpress" it found it.  I went out there in
advance and created the database itself (no tables).  I am IMPRESSED!!!  I
am actually using my billing database hooked to SQL Server expressed now!

WOW!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 18:51:30 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:51:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk> <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704271651v5b2eac70h360c62fbe88a1c21@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> LOL, if you have ever been over on the VB list, you will know that you will
> not be buried in a landslide of messages.  If and when we have a thriving
> VB.NET community going there we can split the lists in two.  I know the
> right people.  <grin>  The thought right now is that the VB list isn't used

Ah, you may KNOW the right people, but can you AFFORD them? :-)

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Apr 27 19:16:19 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:16:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <012301c78926$274def50$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <7d60f23a0704271348k215adach120403fbf818efef@mail.gmail.com>
	<012301c78926$274def50$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <000301c7892a$72990090$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

SSMA for Access is supposed to require 1 Gb of RAM to work.  Does your PC
have that much?

Did this take an appropriate amount of time?

Thanks,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:46 PM
To: 'Martin'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server

Martin,

Really it is just a matter of "how do you do it".  I am the kind of person
who needs to know the "how it is done" so that I can do it the next time.
In SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition there is a wizard that I use but it
pretty much sucks (at least how I have used it).  Data types are lost,
indexes are lost etc.

HOLY SMOKE batman!  I just ran the SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access
and it WORKED!  I imported my entire billing database into SQL Server
Express.  The wizard would not "find" the SQL Server Express database, but
if I typed it in "m6805\SQLExpress" it found it.  I went out there in
advance and created the database itself (no tables).  I am IMPRESSED!!!  I
am actually using my billing database hooked to SQL Server expressed now!

WOW!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 19:18:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:18:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920704271651v5b2eac70h360c62fbe88a1c21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk>
	<011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<e04a6c920704271651v5b2eac70h360c62fbe88a1c21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012401c7892a$d0d748b0$657aa8c0@m6805>

>Ah, you may KNOW the right people, but can you AFFORD them? :-)

ROTFL. You can't even let me dream that I am important.  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot
Net,where to start?

On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> LOL, if you have ever been over on the VB list, you will know that you 
> will not be buried in a landslide of messages.  If and when we have a 
> thriving VB.NET community going there we can split the lists in two.  
> I know the right people.  <grin>  The thought right now is that the VB 
> list isn't used

Ah, you may KNOW the right people, but can you AFFORD them? :-)

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 19:27:52 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:27:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet - Sign up for our VB list - was Re: Dot Net,
	where to start?
In-Reply-To: <012401c7892a$d0d748b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <s6325c3c.068@cactus.dk> <011701c78908$921d83e0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CE5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<011801c7890b$38635cf0$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<e04a6c920704271651v5b2eac70h360c62fbe88a1c21@mail.gmail.com>
	<012401c7892a$d0d748b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920704271727q44e747d2p83ec9fa80d134c16@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> >Ah, you may KNOW the right people, but can you AFFORD them? :-)
>
> ROTFL. You can't even let me dream that I am important.  ;-)

Dreams are free John. So dream away......

Actions aren't :)

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 27 19:28:39 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:28:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <000301c7892a$72990090$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <7d60f23a0704271348k215adach120403fbf818efef@mail.gmail.com><012301c78926$274def50$657aa8c0@m6805>
	<000301c7892a$72990090$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <012501c7892c$2b141050$657aa8c0@m6805>

This is my development laptop.  It is a 3 year old 3ghz AMD 64 (single core)
with 2 gb of ram.  The speed was reasonably fast although of course this is
not a huge database, either in terms of number of tables, or number of
records.  I would say it took perhaps 30-60 seconds to do the whole
database.  Pretty fast IMHO.

I will be trying it out on a big database at a client.  One table that I
really need to move has 250gb of data in a memo field.  I'll keep you
informed.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server

Hi John,

SSMA for Access is supposed to require 1 Gb of RAM to work.  Does your PC
have that much?

Did this take an appropriate amount of time?

Thanks,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:46 PM
To: 'Martin'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moving your table to SQL Server

Martin,

Really it is just a matter of "how do you do it".  I am the kind of person
who needs to know the "how it is done" so that I can do it the next time.
In SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition there is a wizard that I use but it
pretty much sucks (at least how I have used it).  Data types are lost,
indexes are lost etc.

HOLY SMOKE batman!  I just ran the SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access
and it WORKED!  I imported my entire billing database into SQL Server
Express.  The wizard would not "find" the SQL Server Express database, but
if I typed it in "m6805\SQLExpress" it found it.  I went out there in
advance and created the database itself (no tables).  I am IMPRESSED!!!  I
am actually using my billing database hooked to SQL Server expressed now!

WOW!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 28 07:34:03 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Printing an Access Report from ASP.Net solution
Message-ID: <748602.65677.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there a way to use an Access  database report in an asp.net solution?

I have a report that is pretty complicated, I want to be able to use some type of automation and send the report object to the user's printer from an asp.net 2.0 application.

Thanks in advance. 
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 29 06:26:39 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:26:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Studio Standard 2005 won't install
Message-ID: <s6349d31.074@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I found out that if on cd-rom, it _is_ a two-disk set.
A friend provided the missing disk 2, so now I have VS2005 installed and running.

/gustav

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 26-04-2007 16:28 >>>
Hi all

Anyone having the Action Pack? Finally, the above title arrived but it won't install.
It keeps popping a message:

  Please insert the disk: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition - ENU Disk 2

but there is no disk 2.
This appears during the very first install item, "Microsoft Visual Studio 2005", and the file ..\Common7\Tools\VDT\vdt80.dll

I've browsed all over the net and can find some hints mostly related to downloaded images burned/saved to cd/iso with wrong titles, but this is the original cd which doesn't carry any info that it should be "Disk 1".
I've also tried to copy to cd to a folder and install from that, and also to disable antivirus but to no avail.

I had VB 2005 Express and Web Express installed (with no errors) but those were uninstalled first.

Any hints?

/gustav





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 29 06:32:00 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:32:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s6349e5f.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
Hi Gustav,

AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct Arthur?
The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx 
 
I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with MS
SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here about
it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life projects
and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I noted
already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine than
MS Access...

Of course it all depends on task to be developed - in some cases MS Acecss
reporting is all you need. But if you aim at many deployment scenarios of
your reporting solutions then CR is one of the best. I have heard (and
Charlotte approves that here) that Active Reports is also very good (I did
"touch" it one time in the past - and it looked more easy to start with it
than with CR but my customer was "CR-infected" therefore I was forced to
work with CR)...


--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Arthur, Shamil, Charlotte and John

Now I'm slightly confused. I would prefer to believe in Arthur's words as I
like John don't have the VS 2005 Pro version, but I have to listen to Shamil
and Charlotte in this matter. For most of the projects I may encounter,
reporting will be an important part.

Or are we talking about reporting "power" in different directions?

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:55 >>>
Are you kidding? The report stuff in VS 2005 is killer technology! It blows
Access and Crystal and various other contenders out of the water. IMO it is
the definitive reporting technology extant.

A.


On 4/27/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Gustav,
>
> I am at the same place.  I own a copy of VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 (got it
> at the coming out party) so I can go there if I wish.  I have it installed
> and have played with it quite a bit over the last two years or so.
>
> I am actually considering working in the VB.Net express until I come up to
> speed on that, then make the move to VS2005.  The express stuff is free and
> provides all the functionality that I can understand for the moment anyway.
> Once I get that down, then I will be ready to learn the stuff that the
> express versions do not provide.
>
> As for reporting, that is a show stopper, especially when you come from
> Access which is one of the better report generators out there.  I am
> actually considering simply using automation to continue using Access as a
> report generator for the moment.  Again, once I come up to speed on the .Net
> stuff, then I can re-examine my options.





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 09:23:09 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:23:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s6349e5f.075@cactus.dk>
References: <s6349e5f.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704290723g5d6c2560v3022ec5f33b33c33@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, RS is what I had in mind. There is an interesting shift in paradigm, if
you're used to working with Access and including all your reports inside the
app itself. Although you could kludge up some method of calling the reports
from within your app, typically that's not what you'd do. You'd deploy them
to a target server and send a link to the users, and they could use any
browser to display/print the reports. Now that I'm more used to the idea, I
like it a lot better. Back in the days when I worked at that travel agency,
there must have been a couple of hundred reports. It got so ridiculous I
sometimes had to ask the users how to navigate to the place from which you
could print some report.

The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down. Over the years, I
have been asked for that ability a hundred times, and had little to respond
except to say, "I can't do it in Access." To be sure, this capability is a
teensy bit counter-intuitive, but a few trial runs and a willingness to
experiment will convince you, I think.

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct
> Arthur?
> The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
> available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx
>
> I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
> MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with
> MS
> SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
> life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here
> about
> it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life
> projects
> and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I
> noted
> already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine
> than
> MS Access...
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 10:48:00 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:48:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704290848l15f8b55aoc6648d9a0768efe1@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone point me at a tutorial or sample code or something that
illustrates how to customize the navigation bar? I don't find the list of
tables and forms and reports particularly useful, except in terms of
development. I have more in mind a sort of hierarchical series, vaguely like
the classic switchboard technology but much more useful. Something along the
lines of:

Customers
   Browse Customers
   New Customer
   Print Customer Labels
   Top Ten Customers
   Email selected Customers

Products
   ...
   ...

etc.

TIA,
Arthur


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 29 11:33:22 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:33:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s634e50e.079@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur et al

Yes, this is indeed another paradigm. However, users more and more often request reports as files, and having a server engine to unload your report generation is certainly not a bad thing.

I located these pages on Reporting Services:

How to install RS for SQL Server 2005 Express:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms365250.aspx 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms365166.aspx

Download the toolkit to install RS:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/sql/download/

Some elaborate examples:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa964128.aspx 

Note that Reporting Services for Express is somewhat crippled compared to the standard version - mostly regarding connection to remote databases and options for file export.

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-04-2007 16:23 >>>
Yes, RS is what I had in mind. There is an interesting shift in paradigm, if
you're used to working with Access and including all your reports inside the
app itself. Although you could kludge up some method of calling the reports
from within your app, typically that's not what you'd do. You'd deploy them
to a target server and send a link to the users, and they could use any
browser to display/print the reports. Now that I'm more used to the idea, I
like it a lot better. Back in the days when I worked at that travel agency,
there must have been a couple of hundred reports. It got so ridiculous I
sometimes had to ask the users how to navigate to the place from which you
could print some report.

The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down. Over the years, I
have been asked for that ability a hundred times, and had little to respond
except to say, "I can't do it in Access." To be sure, this capability is a
teensy bit counter-intuitive, but a few trial runs and a willingness to
experiment will convince you, I think.

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct
> Arthur?
> The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
> available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx 
>
> I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
> MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with MS
> SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
> life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here about
> it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life projects
> and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I noted
> already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine than
> MS Access...





From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Apr 29 11:42:23 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:42:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
References: <29f585dd0704290848l15f8b55aoc6648d9a0768efe1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A07@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur
 
Look up RibbonX there is a lot of stuff on the web. This site is great and Patrick has a lovely developer tool available to customise the ribbon for you. 
 
http://pschmid.net/blog/category/office-2007/ribbonx/
 
Basically you create a system table used to hold the XML files used to create the menus or now Ribbons.
 
 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338202.aspx
 
This site is great
 
http://www.accessribbon.de/en/?Access_-_Ribbons
 
Martin
 
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974465
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sun 29/04/2007 16:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar



Can anyone point me at a tutorial or sample code or something that
illustrates how to customize the navigation bar? I don't find the list of
tables and forms and reports particularly useful, except in terms of
development. I have more in mind a sort of hierarchical series, vaguely like
the classic switchboard technology but much more useful. Something along the
lines of:

Customers
   Browse Customers
   New Customer
   Print Customer Labels
   Top Ten Customers
   Email selected Customers

Products
   ...
   ...

etc.

TIA,
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 12:06:23 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:06:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A07@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <29f585dd0704290848l15f8b55aoc6648d9a0768efe1@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A07@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704291006m6bd3fb99qfd98a0a797de918e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Martin! I'll check all these sites out.

Incidentally, it's been a while since I did anything in Access. Lately I've
been doing a lot of tech-docs and learning UML 2.1 and Java and Perl and
Python. (When deciding it's time to learn a new language, I always choose
several rather than just one.)

Anyway, what is the current state of Access 2007 and ADP file format? (I
could look it up but hey, you're here. If the ADP is still supported, how
does it react to SQL 2005 databases and the new features available, such as
the revamped schema definition -- one of my favourite features! I totally
love this feature. I have a single database in which I store all the code
for my SQL Tips column, and whenever I start a new subject, I create a
schema for it, which subdivides the tables etc. in a most beautiful way. I
haven't tried to connect to a SQL2005 db with Access 2007 yet, but I am most
interested in how it will respond to schemas. Unfortunately, that exercise
will have to wait. I have other fish to fry (about to post a message to
dba-Tech hoping for insight on said larger fish).

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Arthur
>
> Look up RibbonX there is a lot of stuff on the web. This site is great and
> Patrick has a lovely developer tool available to customise the ribbon for
> you.
>
> http://pschmid.net/blog/category/office-2007/ribbonx/
>
> Basically you create a system table used to hold the XML files used to
> create the menus or now Ribbons.
>
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338202.aspx
>
> This site is great
>
> http://www.accessribbon.de/en/?Access_-_Ribbons
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Training and Assessment Unit
> Riddle Hall
> Belfast
>
> tel: 02890 974465
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sun 29/04/2007 16:48
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
>
>
>
> Can anyone point me at a tutorial or sample code or something that
> illustrates how to customize the navigation bar? I don't find the list of
> tables and forms and reports particularly useful, except in terms of
> development. I have more in mind a sort of hierarchical series, vaguely
> like
> the classic switchboard technology but much more useful. Something along
> the
> lines of:
>
> Customers
>   Browse Customers
>   New Customer
>   Print Customer Labels
>   Top Ten Customers
>   Email selected Customers
>
> Products
>   ...
>   ...
>
> etc.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
>
>
>
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>
>


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Apr 29 13:08:25 2007
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:08:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
References: <29f585dd0704290848l15f8b55aoc6648d9a0768efe1@mail.gmail.com><D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A07@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<29f585dd0704291006m6bd3fb99qfd98a0a797de918e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE201086A08@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur
 
Still supported unless you use any of the new SQLS erver 2005 data types. MS is making a huge push towards the world using linked tables. Fromwhat I see they are also making a huge push towards Access being used to work ofline with SharePoint list data. Both areas will I would guess receive more focus than ADPs as Acecss moves forward towards .NET and SharePoint.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974465
 

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sun 29/04/2007 18:06
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar



Thanks, Martin! I'll check all these sites out.

Incidentally, it's been a while since I did anything in Access. Lately I've
been doing a lot of tech-docs and learning UML 2.1 and Java and Perl and
Python. (When deciding it's time to learn a new language, I always choose
several rather than just one.)

Anyway, what is the current state of Access 2007 and ADP file format? (I
could look it up but hey, you're here. If the ADP is still supported, how
does it react to SQL 2005 databases and the new features available, such as
the revamped schema definition -- one of my favourite features! I totally
love this feature. I have a single database in which I store all the code
for my SQL Tips column, and whenever I start a new subject, I create a
schema for it, which subdivides the tables etc. in a most beautiful way. I
haven't tried to connect to a SQL2005 db with Access 2007 yet, but I am most
interested in how it will respond to schemas. Unfortunately, that exercise
will have to wait. I have other fish to fry (about to post a message to
dba-Tech hoping for insight on said larger fish).

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Arthur
>
> Look up RibbonX there is a lot of stuff on the web. This site is great and
> Patrick has a lovely developer tool available to customise the ribbon for
> you.
>
> http://pschmid.net/blog/category/office-2007/ribbonx/
>
> Basically you create a system table used to hold the XML files used to
> create the menus or now Ribbons.
>
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338202.aspx
>
> This site is great
>
> http://www.accessribbon.de/en/?Access_-_Ribbons
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Training and Assessment Unit
> Riddle Hall
> Belfast
>
> tel: 02890 974465
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sun 29/04/2007 16:48
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Navigation bar
>
>
>
> Can anyone point me at a tutorial or sample code or something that
> illustrates how to customize the navigation bar? I don't find the list of
> tables and forms and reports particularly useful, except in terms of
> development. I have more in mind a sort of hierarchical series, vaguely
> like
> the classic switchboard technology but much more useful. Something along
> the
> lines of:
>
> Customers
>   Browse Customers
>   New Customer
>   Print Customer Labels
>   Top Ten Customers
>   Email selected Customers
>
> Products
>   ...
>   ...
>
> etc.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com/>  <http://www.databaseadvisors.com/
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com/> 
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sun Apr 29 13:57:07 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:57:07 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0704290723g5d6c2560v3022ec5f33b33c33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c78a90$34fe1920$6401a8c0@nant>

<<<
The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down.
>>>
Hi Arthur,

Drill-down is one of the very often used feature of Crystal Reports reports
too - my guess MS RS "borrowed: this feature from CR...

BTW, MS Access 2007 Reports are more like forms now (one can program click
and other events processing - right Martin?) therefore my guess is that one
may try to simulate drill-down with MS Access 2007 reports and maybe next MS
Access version will have native drill-down feature...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Yes, RS is what I had in mind. There is an interesting shift in paradigm, if
you're used to working with Access and including all your reports inside the
app itself. Although you could kludge up some method of calling the reports
from within your app, typically that's not what you'd do. You'd deploy them
to a target server and send a link to the users, and they could use any
browser to display/print the reports. Now that I'm more used to the idea, I
like it a lot better. Back in the days when I worked at that travel agency,
there must have been a couple of hundred reports. It got so ridiculous I
sometimes had to ask the users how to navigate to the place from which you
could print some report.

The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down. Over the years, I
have been asked for that ability a hundred times, and had little to respond
except to say, "I can't do it in Access." To be sure, this capability is a
teensy bit counter-intuitive, but a few trial runs and a willingness to
experiment will convince you, I think.

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct
> Arthur?
> The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
> available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx
>
> I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
> MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with
> MS
> SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
> life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here
> about
> it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life
> projects
> and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I
> noted
> already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine
> than
> MS Access...
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Apr 29 14:10:08 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:10:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <001101c78a90$34fe1920$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <29f585dd0704290723g5d6c2560v3022ec5f33b33c33@mail.gmail.com>
	<001101c78a90$34fe1920$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001101c78a92$026796b0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

In Access, I once made a drill-down chart using Web Components.  I think it
was actually a form instead of a report, but that didn't matter.  It was a
few years ago and I don't remember the details anymore.

Has anyone else done this?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

<<<
The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down.
>>>
Hi Arthur,

Drill-down is one of the very often used feature of Crystal Reports reports
too - my guess MS RS "borrowed: this feature from CR...

BTW, MS Access 2007 Reports are more like forms now (one can program click
and other events processing - right Martin?) therefore my guess is that one
may try to simulate drill-down with MS Access 2007 reports and maybe next MS
Access version will have native drill-down feature...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Yes, RS is what I had in mind. There is an interesting shift in paradigm, if
you're used to working with Access and including all your reports inside the
app itself. Although you could kludge up some method of calling the reports
from within your app, typically that's not what you'd do. You'd deploy them
to a target server and send a link to the users, and they could use any
browser to display/print the reports. Now that I'm more used to the idea, I
like it a lot better. Back in the days when I worked at that travel agency,
there must have been a couple of hundred reports. It got so ridiculous I
sometimes had to ask the users how to navigate to the place from which you
could print some report.

The killer feature in RS, from my point of view, aside from the neat wizards
and the very nice crosstab designer, is the drill-down. Over the years, I
have been asked for that ability a hundred times, and had little to respond
except to say, "I can't do it in Access." To be sure, this capability is a
teensy bit counter-intuitive, but a few trial runs and a willingness to
experiment will convince you, I think.

Arthur


On 4/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Is that so, Arthur? You have 2005 Reporting Services in mind?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 27-04-2007 18:15 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> AFAIU Arthur means MS SQL 2000 or 2005 Reporting Services - correct
> Arthur?
> The VS2005 IDE designer for report running via these services seems to be
> available in VS2005 Standard Edition:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ru-ru/vstudio/aa700921.aspx
>
> I'd think Crystal Reports is more powerful (more feature rich I mean) than
> MS SQL Reporting Services but I must say I just played a little bit with
> MS
> SQL 2000 Reporting Services and I have never used this technology in real
> life development and therefore I can be wrong in what I'm telling here
> about
> it (Arthur please correct me) unlike CR, which I used in real life
> projects
> and yes, it was RPITA to get on speed with it after MS Access but as I
> noted
> already I think CR is more powerful and flexible report designer/engine
> than
> MS Access...
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sun Apr 29 21:31:55 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:31:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <s63239dc.062@cactus.dk>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00aa01c78acf$b96d7450$6501a8c0@office>

Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

  Hi Charlotte

  That is so true; database handling is a key point. Also, I've seen so
  much poor code from web programmers that just know how to connect to a
  database and think that's it.

  That book, does it explain in depth of n-tier which I feel is very
  important and powerful?
  And is your data tier built on that code or did you create it from
  scratch?

  /gustav

  >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 27-04-2007 17:10 >>>
  But courses like that don't focus on Gustav's main issue, databases.
  Rick Dobson has a couple of books out that can be helpful in that area:
  "Programming SQL Server 2000 with Visual Vasic .Net" and "Programming
  Microsoft Visual Basic .Net for Microsoft Access Databases".  The big
  thing to get your head around is n-tier programming, which we didn't do
  in Access.  The books tend to go straight to dataadapters and so forth
  and don't generally discuss the structure of a data tier.  We created a
  data tier that is a code representation of the underlying data
  structure.  We can then code to that abstraction regardless of whether
  we have access to the actual data at the time.  Very handy.

  Charlotte Foust  

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:29 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

  Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly
  since MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio
  Magazine and CodePlex.

  There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google
  vbJumpStart and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this
  book so good that I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than
  Access.

  Arthur


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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Apr 30 02:20:55 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:20:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Printing an Access Report from ASP.Net solution
References: <748602.65677.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D012896A7@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Lonnie,

No one seems to have responded so I'll give you my inexpert opinion...

The easy part is using Automation to fire up Access and run the report,
this is a server side function.

The hard part is printing to the users printer.  This is fundamentally
not a server side operation.
How many web sites actually print to your printer?  Short answer...
None.  Not without downloading and installing
an active-x control or similar.

So, I would recommend using Crystal Rpts for the report.  Use the CR
viewer control and let them print it if they want.
BTW I dislike CR but in the .net world it is the most straightforward
solution sometimes.

If you must use Access them maybe output as a snapshot and let the user
download and print.
Messy.  Also if you have a lot of traffic I doubt you'd want a whole
bunch of Access instances clogging up the works
on your web server ;-)

HTH

cheers

Michael M


Subject: [AccessD] Printing an Access Report from ASP.Net solution

Is there a way to use an Access  database report in an asp.net solution?

I have a report that is pretty complicated, I want to be able to use
some type of automation and send the report object to the user's printer
from an asp.net 2.0 application.

Thanks in advance. 
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases Visit me at ==>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 30 07:00:44 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:00:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s635f695.091@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 10:30:24 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:30:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c78acf$b96d7450$6501a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F32C512C6E10A4CED301992D24C0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what color 
the header row is in excel?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 10:48:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F32C512C6E10A4CED301992D24C0@phx.gbl>
References: <00aa01c78acf$b96d7450$6501a8c0@office>
	<BAY127-F32C512C6E10A4CED301992D24C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005501c78b3e$f8df85a0$657aa8c0@m6805>

Automation. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel

Hello All,

I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what color
the header row is in excel?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 12:54:51 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:54:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <s635f695.091@cactus.dk>
References: <s635f695.091@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:14:16 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:14:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <005501c78b3e$f8df85a0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F187A52DDE4A5138BCB92A3D24C0@phx.gbl>


Thanks John,

Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put border 
around each cell???  Any hints?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
>
>Automation.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what color
>the header row is in excel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>new payment
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 30 14:00:59 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:00:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB41@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

<format><cells><border>. Use the macro recorder in Excel to create the code.
You can transfer the resulting code to Access, add an Excel application
object, clean up the code if necessary and you are good to go. The macro
recorder doesn't generate the prettiest code but it is great at pointing you
in the right direction by telling you which objects to use. HTH
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel



Thanks John,

Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put border

around each cell???  Any hints?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
>
>Automation.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what 
>color the header row is in excel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>_________________________________________________________________

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 30 14:51:06 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:51:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 15:21:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:21:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB41@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB41@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <006a01c78b65$16aa5d50$657aa8c0@m6805>

EXACTLY how I do it.  Turn on the macro recorder, do the action (border /
background / whatever) turn off the macro recorder, view the code.  After
that what you do depends on how you want to do the automation.  The easiest
way is to create a "template" workbook and create the macro in it, then just
call the macro (really a sub IIRC) when you are ready to execute that code.

As Jim mentioned, you might want to clean up the code, but you don't have
to.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel

<format><cells><border>. Use the macro recorder in Excel to create the code.
You can transfer the resulting code to Access, add an Excel application
object, clean up the code if necessary and you are good to go. The macro
recorder doesn't generate the prettiest code but it is great at pointing you
in the right direction by telling you which objects to use. HTH Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel



Thanks John,

Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put border

around each cell???  Any hints?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
>
>Automation.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what 
>color the header row is in excel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>_________________________________________________________________

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 15:42:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:42:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The more
you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.  It is
harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA and
can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an accomplished
programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take the
contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.  Uhh-Uhhhh!  In
VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it (apparently) tries
to stuff a control type into a single type and complains vigorously.  Now
ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there would be a
ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My computer
yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I will
type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain (that
is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 15:44:51 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:44:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
In-Reply-To: <006a01c78b65$16aa5d50$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F31EF12921B0631CA100710D24C0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Jim and John,

I used...
".Columns.Borders.Color = vbBlack"
...and this seemed to do the trick...

The export will have a different number of columns and rows each time.  The 
above method puts a border around every cell in the worksheet...not just the 
data.

If I could isolate just the cells with data...it might look better...but 
this will get me by.

The 'macro recording' gave me a longer approach...but it was dependant on a 
range...which I'm not sure how to get.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:21:08 -0400
>
>EXACTLY how I do it.  Turn on the macro recorder, do the action (border /
>background / whatever) turn off the macro recorder, view the code.  After
>that what you do depends on how you want to do the automation.  The easiest
>way is to create a "template" workbook and create the macro in it, then 
>just
>call the macro (really a sub IIRC) when you are ready to execute that code.
>
>As Jim mentioned, you might want to clean up the code, but you don't have
>to.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:01 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
><format><cells><border>. Use the macro recorder in Excel to create the 
>code.
>You can transfer the resulting code to Access, add an Excel application
>object, clean up the code if necessary and you are good to go. The macro
>recorder doesn't generate the prettiest code but it is great at pointing 
>you
>in the right direction by telling you which objects to use. HTH Jim Hale
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:14 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>
>
>Thanks John,
>
>Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put 
>border
>
>around each cell???  Any hints?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
> >From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
> >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
> >
> >Automation.
> >
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >Colby Consulting
> >www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what
> >color the header row is in excel?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark A. Matte
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 15:54:24 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:54:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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	<0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon> <006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0704301354u14a34c5bj230a528a3cd990e9@mail.gmail.com>

Everything is an object, JC. You of all people ought to be most receptive to
that concept. When migrating code from .NET 2003 to .NET 2005, and it
crashed, I just jumped in and added ".ToString()" to the offending variable.
It worked almost all the time. E.g. An array is an object not a structure.
Easy to get over once you realize it.

For those just diving in, my friend and colleague Joe and I both heartily
recommend vbJumpStart, which is a very Hands-On, step by step guide that
doesn't waste time with 100 inanities that in all likelihood I will never
use. In Chapter 3 of vbJumpStart you are already building
master-detail-detail forms. That's the sort of thing that appeals to Access
developers, I ween.

Arthur


On 4/30/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree
> turn not as a 180.
>
> And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The
> more
> you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.  It is
> harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA and
> can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
> anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an
> accomplished
> programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.
>
> If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take
> the
> contents of a text box and place it into a single
> variable.  Uhh-Uhhhh!  In
> VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it (apparently) tries
> to stuff a control type into a single type and complains vigorously.  Now
> ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there would be a
> ToSingle method right?
>
> I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My
> computer
> yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.
>
> And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I
> will
> type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain
> (that
> is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.
>
> In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
> favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
> every week.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Hi All:
>
> My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List
> are
> working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
> progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not
> as
> a 180.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
> 2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>
> Charlotte
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Hi Charlotte
>
> Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
> Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
> what you mean?
>
> Kath
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>
> The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
> and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
> compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
> describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
> the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
> work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
> typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
> then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
> connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
> class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
> other entities if need be.
>
> Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
> worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
> bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Apr 30 15:55:56 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:55:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
	<006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <002801c78b69$f348a600$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Ya know,

Since about the time VB.Net was published, I get a lot more spam emails.

Hmmmmm . . .


Dan  ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The more
you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.  It is
harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA and
can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an accomplished
programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take the
contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.  Uhh-Uhhhh!  In
VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it (apparently) tries
to stuff a control type into a single type and complains vigorously.  Now
ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there would be a
ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My computer
yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I will
type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain (that
is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 15:54:31 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:54:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
	<006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258D02@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

In .Net, you ALWAYS have to think about what you're instructing the
language to do.  You can't rely on the default methods or properties the
way we could in Access, so if you want to populate a textbox, you use
the Value property.  I've worked in it long enough so that I find it
easier than Access in almost every way and when I go back to Access, I
keep looking for things I can't find there!  It never becomes as
effortless as Access code because the object model is much vaster, and
you don't have the advantage of DAO being optimized for the UI to save
time and effort.

We (like a lot of shops) use some 3rd party tools instead of the basic
Windows controls and reports.  The 3rd party tools are heavily enhanced
versions of the built in stuff with far more control available to the
programmer.  If you think .Net looks intimidating, take a look at
Infragistics controls and the levels of properties you have to work
with!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The
more you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.
It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in
VBA and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at
first anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an
accomplished programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the
differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take
the contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.
Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it
(apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and
complains vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a
textbox.ToString method there would be a ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My
computer yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I
will type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the
pain (that is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert
years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List
are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see
the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn
not as a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 16:00:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:00:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
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When I was exporting data to a range, and the rows/columns varied, I looked
at the source recordset which can tell me the rowcount and (using dao
anyway) the number of fields in the fields collection of the recordset
object which is the width.  I then built the range on-the-fly using a
starting position and the row/columns info. 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel

Thanks Jim and John,

I used...
".Columns.Borders.Color = vbBlack"
...and this seemed to do the trick...

The export will have a different number of columns and rows each time.  The
above method puts a border around every cell in the worksheet...not just the
data.

If I could isolate just the cells with data...it might look better...but
this will get me by.

The 'macro recording' gave me a longer approach...but it was dependant on a
range...which I'm not sure how to get.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:21:08 -0400
>
>EXACTLY how I do it.  Turn on the macro recorder, do the action (border 
>/ background / whatever) turn off the macro recorder, view the code.  
>After that what you do depends on how you want to do the automation.  
>The easiest way is to create a "template" workbook and create the macro 
>in it, then just call the macro (really a sub IIRC) when you are ready 
>to execute that code.
>
>As Jim mentioned, you might want to clean up the code, but you don't 
>have to.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:01 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
><format><cells><border>. Use the macro recorder in Excel to create the 
>code.
>You can transfer the resulting code to Access, add an Excel application 
>object, clean up the code if necessary and you are good to go. The 
>macro recorder doesn't generate the prettiest code but it is great at 
>pointing you in the right direction by telling you which objects to 
>use. HTH Jim Hale
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:14 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>
>
>Thanks John,
>
>Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put 
>border
>
>around each cell???  Any hints?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
> >From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
> >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
> >
> >Automation.
> >
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >Colby Consulting
> >www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> >Matte
> >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what 
> >color the header row is in excel?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark A. Matte
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 16:06:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:06:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
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>...heartily recommend vbJumpStart

Hey, I already have that book.  I guess it's time to read it eh?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Everything is an object, JC. You of all people ought to be most receptive to
that concept. When migrating code from .NET 2003 to .NET 2005, and it
crashed, I just jumped in and added ".ToString()" to the offending variable.
It worked almost all the time. E.g. An array is an object not a structure.
Easy to get over once you realize it.

For those just diving in, my friend and colleague Joe and I both heartily
recommend vbJumpStart, which is a very Hands-On, step by step guide that
doesn't waste time with 100 inanities that in all likelihood I will never
use. In Chapter 3 of vbJumpStart you are already building
master-detail-detail forms. That's the sort of thing that appeals to Access
developers, I ween.

Arthur


On 4/30/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
> >degree
> turn not as a 180.
>
> And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The 
> more you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.  
> It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly 
> in VBA and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in 
> VB.Net (at first anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are 
> already an accomplished programmer and "only" have to come up to speed 
> on the differences.
>
> If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to 
> take the contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.  
> Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it 
> (apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and 
> complains vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a 
> textbox.ToString method there would be a ToSingle method right?
>
> I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My 
> computer yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.
>
> And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and 
> I will type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all 
> the pain (that is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't 
> convert years ago.
>
> In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from 
> my favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so 
> many of every week.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Hi All:
>
> My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access 
> List are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one 
> point. I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 
> 90 degree turn not as a 180.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
> 2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>
> Charlotte
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
> Hi Charlotte
>
> Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
> Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example 
> of what you mean?
>
> Kath
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>
> The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data 
> providers and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and 
> it also compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any 
> books describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  
> Most of the books start with directly binding a form to a data 
> adapter, and we work the other way around.  We build data "entities" 
> that implement typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we 
> need.  We can then drop one of those entities on a form or report to 
> provide the data connections we need.  The working code is actually in 
> a dataprovider class with the entity containing calls to the 
> dataprovider and even to other entities if need be.
>
> Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what 
> worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) 
> the bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 16:08:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:08:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258D02@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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>It never becomes as effortless as Access code because ...

So you are dooming me to a life of screaming and internet pain killers?

8~(

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

In .Net, you ALWAYS have to think about what you're instructing the language
to do.  You can't rely on the default methods or properties the way we could
in Access, so if you want to populate a textbox, you use the Value property.
I've worked in it long enough so that I find it easier than Access in almost
every way and when I go back to Access, I keep looking for things I can't
find there!  It never becomes as effortless as Access code because the
object model is much vaster, and you don't have the advantage of DAO being
optimized for the UI to save time and effort.

We (like a lot of shops) use some 3rd party tools instead of the basic
Windows controls and reports.  The 3rd party tools are heavily enhanced
versions of the built in stuff with far more control available to the
programmer.  If you think .Net looks intimidating, take a look at
Infragistics controls and the levels of properties you have to work with!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The more
you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.
It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA
and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an accomplished
programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take the
contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.
Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it
(apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and complains
vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there
would be a ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My computer
yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I will
type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain (that
is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 16:24:30 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:24:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <007401c78b6b$b1fc1e00$657aa8c0@m6805>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon><006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258D02@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Hey, *I* didn't force you to become a programmer!! LOL

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>It never becomes as effortless as Access code because ...

So you are dooming me to a life of screaming and internet pain killers?

8~(

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

In .Net, you ALWAYS have to think about what you're instructing the
language to do.  You can't rely on the default methods or properties the
way we could in Access, so if you want to populate a textbox, you use
the Value property.
I've worked in it long enough so that I find it easier than Access in
almost every way and when I go back to Access, I keep looking for things
I can't find there!  It never becomes as effortless as Access code
because the object model is much vaster, and you don't have the
advantage of DAO being optimized for the UI to save time and effort.

We (like a lot of shops) use some 3rd party tools instead of the basic
Windows controls and reports.  The 3rd party tools are heavily enhanced
versions of the built in stuff with far more control available to the
programmer.  If you think .Net looks intimidating, take a look at
Infragistics controls and the levels of properties you have to work
with!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The
more you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.
It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in
VBA and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at
first anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an
accomplished programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the
differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take
the contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.
Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it
(apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and
complains vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a
textbox.ToString method there would be a ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My
computer yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I
will type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the
pain (that is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert
years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List
are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see
the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn
not as a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 30 16:35:58 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:35:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258D02@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon><006b01c78b68$04a684f0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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One of my problems with all of the database books is that all assume that
you are going to bind to a form.  Yea, that is important but once you get
past the data input / display, you still have data manipulations to do. 

I converted the code to find the population within a radius of a zip code.
Other than the fact that it took me a dozen hours to cut/paste/fix code that
was already written, it appears that something is just slightly off in the
calcs.  It looks to me like rounding errors across a dozen calcs is causing
the numbers to come out slightly larger.  Math.sin (for example) has a few
decimal points more accuracy (waaay out there to the right) than the VBA
cousins and I suspect that it is causing slightly larger values multiplied
by slightly larger values ^ slightly larger values to ripple out to
significantly larger values.

We'll see.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

In .Net, you ALWAYS have to think about what you're instructing the language
to do.  You can't rely on the default methods or properties the way we could
in Access, so if you want to populate a textbox, you use the Value property.
I've worked in it long enough so that I find it easier than Access in almost
every way and when I go back to Access, I keep looking for things I can't
find there!  It never becomes as effortless as Access code because the
object model is much vaster, and you don't have the advantage of DAO being
optimized for the UI to save time and effort.

We (like a lot of shops) use some 3rd party tools instead of the basic
Windows controls and reports.  The 3rd party tools are heavily enhanced
versions of the built in stuff with far more control available to the
programmer.  If you think .Net looks intimidating, take a look at
Infragistics controls and the levels of properties you have to work with!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree
turn not as a 180.

And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA.  The more
you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another.
It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly in VBA
and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in VB.Net (at first
anyway).  The easier it is in the sense that you are already an accomplished
programmer and "only" have to come up to speed on the differences.  

If only there weren't so many damned differences!!!  I am trying to take the
contents of a text box and place it into a single variable.
Uhh-Uhhhh!  In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it
(apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and complains
vigorously.  Now ya'd think that if there is a textbox.ToString method there
would be a ToSingle method right?

I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!".  My computer
yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public.

And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and I will
type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now.  Forgetting all the pain (that
is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't convert years ago.  

In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from my
favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so many of
every week.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Apr 30 16:44:42 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:44:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF12AB42@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>

"Migration" always brings to mind the thundering herd of wildebeest running
hell bent for leather across the savanna- and the crocodiles are just
floating in the river waiting, knowing lunch is about to be served. Well,
I'm crocodile food, too old and tired to learn new tricks- no way I'm going
to burn good hours learning dotnet when I could be using the time more
productively to hone my Tx hold'em skills instead.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


Hi All:

My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
a 180.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

Hi Charlotte

Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

/gustav

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
what you mean? 

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data providers
  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the data
  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
  other entities if need be.

  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) the
  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

  Charlotte Foust 



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From galeper at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 17:10:12 2007
From: galeper at gmail.com (Gale Perez)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:10:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (1) Text Box Formatted as " >" and (2) function to get
	user name for Windows
Message-ID: <5b2621db0704301510o68d4e9aeu35b66872155cd2dd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

It has been a while since I have developed in Access, and I'm reviewing my
old databases (I am very indebted to this group for assistance in developing
them).  I cannot remember what the ">" character in the Format property of a
text box does and hoped someone can tell me.

I also had been given a function to get the Novell User Name of a user in
order to set user permissions, etc. without having an actual login box (it
gets the Novell user name automatically and compares that to the one stored
in the table to see if the user is in the database).  It works beautifully
but now I am working in Windows, and I wondered whether a similar function
exists for Windows (XP and other versions).

Thank you!
Gale


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 30 17:10:21 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:10:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
Message-ID: <380-220074130221021550@M2W019.mail2web.com>

Mark:

My approach is always to start Excel, turn on the macro recorder, do what I
want in Excel,  turn off the macro recorder, and then crib the code out of
Excel and paste into Access.  Works every time and I don't have to acutally
learn anything. <g>

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Mark A Matte markamatte at hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:14:16 +0000
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel



Thanks John,

Got it all 'pretty' and stuff.  The only thing left...I need to a put
border 
around each cell???  Any hints?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:17 -0400
>
>Automation.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Reports to Excel
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have an A97 db.  Is there a way to export to excel and control what color
>the header row is in excel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr 30 17:23:14 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:23:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (1) Text Box Formatted as " >" and (2) function to
	get user name for Windows
In-Reply-To: <5b2621db0704301510o68d4e9aeu35b66872155cd2dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b2621db0704301510o68d4e9aeu35b66872155cd2dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46366C52.25936.38E67B78@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 30 Apr 2007 at 15:10, Gale Perez wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> It has been a while since I have developed in Access, and I'm reviewing my
> old databases (I am very indebted to this group for assistance in developing
> them).  I cannot remember what the ">" character in the Format property of a
> text box does and hoped someone can tell me.
> 

Displays characters as upper case.

> I also had been given a function to get the Novell User Name of a user in
> order to set user permissions, etc. without having an actual login box (it
> gets the Novell user name automatically and compares that to the one stored
> in the table to see if the user is in the database).  It works beautifully
> but now I am working in Windows, and I wondered whether a similar function
> exists for Windows (XP and other versions).

Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal 
lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function UserName() As String
Dim strUName As String
Dim lngRetVal As Long
strUName = Space$(16)
lngRetVal = GetUserName(strUName, 16)
strUName = Trim$(strUName)
'strip Chr$(0) from end of name
UserName = Left$(strUName, Len(strUName) - 1)  
End Function

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 30 17:48:24 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:48:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
References: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>

I would suggest, it is somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees,
just so it could be an obtuse angle.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List are
>working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
>progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not as
>a 180.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
>2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>
>Charlotte 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>Hi Charlotte
>
>Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
>what you mean? 
>
>Kath
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Charlotte Foust
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>
>  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
>providers
>  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
>  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
>  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
>  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
>  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
>  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
>  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
>data
>  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
>  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
>  other entities if need be.
>
>  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
>  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
>the
>  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  
>
>  Charlotte Foust 
>
>
>
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>  
>

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 18:25:07 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:25:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon> <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00e301c78b7e$cb246a50$0302a8c0@Laptop>

Good one, Marty!

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


>I would suggest, it is somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees,
> just so it could be an obtuse angle.
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List 
>>are
>>working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
>>progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not 
>>as
>>a 180.



From ebarro at verizon.net  Mon Apr 30 18:31:07 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:31:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
In-Reply-To: <004301c7868a$9e6cd590$657aa8c0@m6805>
Message-ID: <0JHC007TC404LIX4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

Have you looked into BULK INSERT in SQL? This is supposed to be a faster
data import method.


Using T-SQL you can do something like this...

CREATE TABLE #tmpEmployees (<fieldnames here>)
BULK INSERT #tmpEmployees FROM 'c:\temp\import.csv'
WITH (FORMATFILE = 'c:\temp\importCSV.fmt'

importCSV.fmt would contain the file format...in this example it's fixed
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

The CSV file is on the same machine.  It appears that the clause that pulls
the source table (csv file) into memory is taking a ton of time.  These are
large files, the smallest are a little under 200 million bytes and the
largest are up in the 3 gigabyte range.  It appears that SQL Server does not
read a few records and append them, but rather reads the whole CSV and then
starts appending all of the assembled records.

If I were a SQL Server pro I could probably speed this up considerably.
Alas, I am not.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net

John,

One of the keys to getting it into SQL Server faster is to have the CSV file
on the server and not on a different machine. Network traffic can kill the
process and slow it down significantly.

Robert

At 10:22 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:32:44 -0400
>From: "JWColby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] using a saved SSIS with VB.Net
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c7867d$6cce93a0$657aa8c0 at m6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Gustav,
>
>My bigger issue here is that there 56 of these files to import into SQL 
>Server, supposedly ~100 million records.  I have done about 8 million 
>records so far.  I really must get this thing automated such that it 
>just chunks through these CSV files without my having to be around to 
>start the next one.  I am working now on setting up the append query 
>using that syntax below into a stored procedure so that I can then just
replace the file name.
>After that I will need to write something in VB.Net or whatever to 
>execute the stored procedure feeding in all of the file names from a 
>specific directory, deleting the file once the stored procedure 
>finishes the import for a given file.
>
>I have never written a stored procedure.
>Obviously, given the above, I have never called a stored procedure from 
>code.
>
>So much to learn, so little time.
>
>Once this is imported I have to turn right around and export a subset 
>of fields from the table back out as 1 - 2 million record chunks for 
>CAS / DPV / NCOA processing, then I have to import THOSE back in to a 
>new
table.
>
>And when this set of data is finished, I have another set of about the 
>same size on the way, to which I have to perform the same processes.  I 
>soooooo need to get this process automated.
>
>John W. Colby


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 18:30:43 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:30:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
In-Reply-To: <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>
References: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon> <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258D0D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

ROTFL  Well said!

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

I would suggest, it is somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees, just so it
could be an obtuse angle.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access 
>List are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point.

>I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 
>degree turn not as a 180.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
>2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>
>Charlotte
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>Hi Charlotte
>
>Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example 
>of what you mean?
>
>Kath
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Charlotte Foust
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>
>
>  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data 
>providers
>  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
>  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
>  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most 
>of
>  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and 
>we
>  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
>  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
>  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the 
>data
>  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
>  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even 
>to
>  other entities if need be.
>
>  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
>  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) 
>the
>  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Apr 30 19:33:15 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:33:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <s635f695.091@cactus.dk>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA258CFA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <006201c78b88$4f9e3550$6501a8c0@office>

Well (she says selfishly) - I would start with 2005. And surely it would be OK if we discussed it on the vb list? That way pure Access could stay on AccessD?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


  Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
  2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.

  Charlotte 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?

  Hi Charlotte

  Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.

  /gustav

  >>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
  Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
  what you mean? 

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Charlotte Foust
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


    The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
  providers
    and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
    compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
    describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
    the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
    work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
    typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
    then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
  data
    connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
    class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
    other entities if need be.

    Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
    worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
  the
    bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.  

    Charlotte Foust 



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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Apr 30 21:21:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:21:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
References: <0JHB006MNTMD9X70@l-daemon> <46367238.6060600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001a01c78b97$5d2e33a0$7d7d6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...obtuse, eh ...no wonder JC is so enamored of it :)
William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?


>I would suggest, it is somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees,
> just so it could be an obtuse angle.
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access List 
>>are
>>working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one point. I see the
>>progress more as a migration process something like a 90 degree turn not 
>>as
>>a 180.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>>
>>Does it belong in this list?   Also, there are differences between VS
>>2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets.
>>
>>Charlotte
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>>
>>Hi Charlotte
>>
>>Yes, that sounds like a learning experience.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example of
>>what you mean?
>>
>>Kath
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Charlotte Foust
>>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
>>
>>
>>  The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data
>>providers
>>  and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and it also
>>  compares ADO.Net and ADO as well.  But I haven't seen any books
>>  describing the data tier structures in the way we built them.  Most of
>>  the books start with directly binding a form to a data adapter, and we
>>  work the other way around.  We build data "entities" that implement
>>  typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we need.  We can
>>  then drop one of those entities on a form or report to provide the
>>data
>>  connections we need.  The working code is actually in a dataprovider
>>  class with the entity containing calls to the dataprovider and even to
>>  other entities if need be.
>>
>>  Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what
>>  worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop)
>>the
>>  bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years.
>>
>>  Charlotte Foust
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
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