Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at users.mns.ru
Sat Dec 8 04:03:33 CST 2007
William, I just wanted to note that unlike MS Access, which would be very unusual to develop applications with by using notepad.exe (that's possible but would be very insane?), ASP.Net development isn't that dependent on a certain development tool - and here you go, you can use "minimalist development approach" and do almost everything in notepad and paint... BTW, working with some advanced multi-view forms in VS2005 I'm often getting VS2005 GPF-ing when trying to do such simple things as e.g. switch template views or change controls' name in properties window... Then the only possibility to proceed is to switch to .aspx mark-up view and to type in the needed fixes manually - very similar to notepad with exception that even in .aspx markup-view InterlliSense and on-the-fly syntax error checking is working in VS very well... Still you need to know what all that .aspx mark-up "is doing here" IOW I wanted to warn Susan to be prepared to type mark-up manually when there will be no any other way to proceed and that usually happens under very strict real-life projects' deadlines conditions... >From several Web casts from MS I have learned that they rarely use design mode in their ASP.NET development guidelines presentations - they type directly in mark-up view - that's often (much) quicker after "meat" stuff of web forms generated in design mode... Much quicker if you know .aspx markup well of course... I'm not yet, I'm still learning, I'm not guru in this area yet, getting there but it could take another year or more... -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access or SQL Server Express to web ...dear god ...notepad! :) ...ok, you can do it ...but why would any sane person? ...visual studio web developer express is FREE and a damn site easier to use ...in point of fact, if you can actually write Access form code and modules, you can do visual studio express with a minmal learning curve ...VERY minimal ...and the free tutorials that abound on the net, especially the ms ones, are pretty damn good ...actually, once you've gotten over the inheritence schitck, VS is EASIER to develop with than Access/vba. ...its bad enough for guru Drew to be posting how-to do classic ASP database connections rather than Asp.Net without guru Shamil encouraging coding Asp.Net with notepad :) William ...vigorously shaking head ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access or SQL Server Express to web > Hello Susan, > > May I say that to start "cooking" ASP.NET 2.0 applications the minimal > toolset is: > > - notepad.exe; > - internet access with ASP.NET hosting account, which minimal monthly fee > is > usually under USD10 and includes both MS Access and MS SQL 2005 Express. > > That's it. No kidding. I'm very serious. :) > > All ASP.NET 2.0 web site project files (except web pages graphics) can be > typed in notepad from scratch and if you will use SQL 2005 Express then > all > the SQL DDL and T-SQL scripts can be also typed in notedpad.exe and then > executed to build MS SQL database.... > > ASP.NET 2.0 web application is a set of files placed in a folder with > usually several (special purpose) subfolders. Most of them are text files > as > I noted above. There are no special project files keeping the structure of > the ASP.NET project/application. There are several special purpose > folders. > ASP.NET app deployment is usually done using XCOPY. Even MS SQL Server > Express database can be "installed"/deployed that way - placed in a > special > sub-folder named App_Data and referenced from web app's web.config file. > ASP.NET development is an easy children's game - eternal joy comparing > with > all that "DLL-Hell" and other "Active-X blues"... > > ASP.NET 2.0 is a huge technology with many features to learn/master for > years but the "start-up" fee/learning curve to make simple apps as you > mentioned is surprisingly low... > > The fact is that 80%-90% of ASP.NET simple apps can be > templated/generated/prepared manually (better using some tools of course) > based on simple text templates: just spend some time analyzing .aspx files > (and related aspx.cs/aspx.vb files) from many freely available great > tutorials as e.g. these ones: > > http://www.asp.net/learn/data-access/ > http://samples.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/aspplus/ > http://www.aspnettutorials.com/ > > ASP.NET 2.0 is a "bound world". And so many things(/properties) can be > bound > so effectively in ASP.NET apps that the one who will experience just once > this "bounding paradise" will never come back to any other existing > technologies... > > And navigation between forms in many cases can be implementing declarative > way... > > All in all you may find that to make simple apps you probably will not > need > to write any imperative (VB.NET/C#) code line... > > Warning: making highly scalable, multi-layered, "keeping pressure" of > hundreds and thousands of simultaneous users ASP.NET apps is quite > different > story than the bright one I mentioned above... > > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access or SQL Server Express to web > >> >> This could be done in Classic ASP (either handcoded or using Dreamweaver >> Server Behaviors or add-ons to generate the database code) or it could be >> coded in .NET. > > =======None of those are in my skillset right now. Well, I'm familiar with > Dreamweaver, but I'd like to get some articles out of the venture, and > Dreamweaver's rather old hat anymore. > > Susan H. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com