[AccessD] Access 2007

JWColby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Fri Mar 16 13:37:44 CDT 2007


>Excel workbook from Microsoft, matching all previous Access menu and
toolbar items to ribbon locations. 

Oh THAT'S going to be a hit!


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007

Here is something I got from Allen Browne's Links

Access Menu/Toolbar to Ribbon

Excel workbook from Microsoft,
matching all previous Access menu and toolbar items to ribbon locations.

http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=AM101757761033

Also
http://allenbrowne.com/Access2007.html#Bugs

Note there is reported bug using Access 2007 compression where the mdb
disappears intermittently so make a backup first.


Charlotte Foust wrote:

>You're missing my point entirely because you're focussing on "users" 
>and the end product.  The end product (a database app) is used by 
>users, and they can have any little ribbons and bows their hearts 
>desire because that's what they pay for.  My job is to make them happy.
>
>*I'm* griping about the fact that it's hard for a developer to find the 
>bits and pieces THEY need in the welter of window dressing intended for 
>end users.  Access has always had a split personality because MS always 
>insisted it was targeted at end users, a direction that most of us in 
>this list would argue.
>
>I don't want to create a database using an on-line template, thanks.
>And I don't want to have to chase down the tools I need because some 
>genius decided a Tools menu was too "unfriendly" for end users.  There 
>should be a simple way to switch the environment to "developer" mode 
>and allow us to get on with our business without having to put up with 
>all the Mac-lookalike elements in what used to be a great RAD tool and 
>has now become a video game!
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>artful at rogers.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:06 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007
>
>Wow, Charlotte. I don't want to inject political metaphors 
>unnecessarily into this discussion, but clearly you and I have 
>radically opposed development objectives. My objective is all about the 
>user, and I deem personalization a vital component of sensible 
>software. I want every single one of my users to be able to customize 
>her menu/ribbon/shortcuts to suit her personality. I do not want to intrude
upon this ability.
>
>Yes, I want to prevent users from doing something asinine or 
>disastrous, but if user X prefers the ribbon in this arrangement while 
>user Y prefers that, I have utterly no beef with that, and try as best 
>I can to ensure that both users can exert their preferences according 
>to their needs. To the extent that the UI I provide fails to allow this 
>freedom, I deem it less than successful.
>
>My goal is to free the users not to imprison them. It's difficult not 
>to inject political metaphors into this discussion, so best I shift the 
>metaphor to child-rearing. I want to educate the users and allow them 
>freedom, albeit within limits.
>
>Perhaps this discussion simply concerns the definition of "limits". I 
>do not profess any expertise in this category. I have tried various 
>experiments in various projects, such as drifting the 
>most-frequently-used menu choices to the top of the menu, and so on. At 
>the end of the day, my maxim is quite simple: "Make the user feel 
>graceful." Make everything seem simple, intuitive, obvious and flexible.
>
>
>I didn't say this was easy. But it is the goal I choose whenever 
>writing software. To the extent that a manual is required, the software 
>UI failed, IMO. Of course, I still provide a manual or at least on-line 
>help, but to the extent that either is used, I deem my UI a failure.
> 
>Arthur
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:34:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007
>
>
>I'm not talking about what users see, Arthur, I'm talking about the 
>pain it is for a developer to work in it.  I purely HATE ribbons, even 
>more that I hated "personalized" menus in previous versions.  All the 
>changes have been made to wow the end users, and they're thumbing their 
>collective noses at the developers who still need to build applications 
>or clean up the messes that "power users" have made.
>
>I work with the Outlook metaphor in the apps my company develops, so it 
>isn't unfamiliar, it's just totally annoying that you can't get an easy 
>bird's eye view of the objects in schema, you have to wade through 
>ribbons and nav panes and just pain in general.
>
>We'll have to agree to disagree on this.  I BUILD apps in .Net with 
>that interface, but I don't have to cope with it in the design 
>environment as well because VS.Net at least is intended for developers.  
>I cringe to think of what they'll do to in in the next release, though. 
>:-<
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>artful at rogers.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007
>
>Wow. You and I couldn't possibly be more opposed on this one, Jim. I'm 
>thinking "Finally!" I totally love what is possible in the new 
>environment. Clearly it's a personal-taste thing. There is nothing you 
>cannot do in 2007 that you could do before, so you can continue to do 
>it the old way if you wish, but I love the new UI. Admittedly it took 
>me a few experiments to find out how to twist it according to my 
>predilections, but now that I know, I love it.
>
>P.S.
>About 99% of the users I know measure everything they use by the 
>Outlook metaphor. That could reflect the subset of people at whose 
>pleasure I serve, but that's the fact. The sizable pane, the treeview 
>in the left pane, the auto-loading panel in the right pane... everyone 
>that I know knows this interface so well that I don't have to explain 
>it. So I just take an old app and turn the switchboard into a treeview 
>and suddenly everyone is much happier than they were with the previous
roll-out.
>
>Arthur
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:43 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007
>
>Show of hands please:  how many of you are actually using this version? 
>
>I HATE Office 2007 and Access is arguably the worst of the worst.
>Outlook seems to be the most sane application in the suite, which isn't 
>saying much.  Friends, we have suffered a Mac attack in this version of 
>Office.  All the things I have always hated about the Mac OS have found 
>a home in Office 2007.
>
>Is anyone trying to develop in Access 2007?  The Outlook metaphor 
>drives me nuts!  Oh, for a database window!  It also seems to have 
>weird problems with CurrentProject.Connection with linked tables when 
>you try and convert an earlier format database.  Can anyone recommend a 
>good book on just Access 2007.  I know Martin came out with a book, but 
>I haven't found it yet.
>
>Charlotte Foust
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