[AccessD] FMS Inc. Sourcebook

ROTFL. 

If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS.

Worked didn't it?

8~0

>The difference is that libraries in managed code are compiled into a dll.
Once that happens, they are no longer available to be messed with by the
curious, and they are true libraries, as opposed to mdbs with a different
name and a breakable reference in the tools menu.

Charlotte, MDAs / MDEs are all we have in Access.  To say that they are not
a library because they can't be compiled into a DLL is simply not true.  To
say that they aren't a library because they can be messed with or that the
reference can be broken also isn't true.  A library is nothing more than a
group of code maintained on one place and distributed for use.  How you do
the distribution has nothing whatsoever to do with the concept of single
point maintenance of the source code.  THAT is what makes a library.  

You can have a library in something like Code Librarian.  What you CAN'T do
is claim that you are using a library if you distribute the library by
cutting and pasting pieces from it directly into the application.  As soon
as you do that you are no longer using a library, you are building an
application with all of its code embedded in it.  People do that all the
time, and in a small shop where there is only one application then there is
absolutely no point in a library.  The application IS the library and the
fix is done at a single place, in the application (which is the library).
No foul, no harm done.  As soon as you cut and paste code from that
application into another application... you should be using a library, for
BOTH applications, with all the shared code in the library.

And that, as they say, is that.

I made a comment in one of the posts that "others have also talked about
cutting and pasting".  I get the feeling that you thought I was poking a
stick at you.  I wasn't, but poking a stick at you is definitely fun.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Inc. Sourcebook

The difference is that libraries in managed code are compiled into a dll.
Once that happens, they are no longer available to be messed with by the
curious, and they are true libraries, as opposed to mdbs with a different
name and a breakable reference in the tools menu.

You are willfully misinterpreting what I said in order to prove your point,
but I've totally lost track of what the point was!  I'm not arguing that
libraries are bad, so why are you arguing with me and what am I supposed to
give up on??

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Inc. Sourcebook

Charlotte, 

A library is a group of code, the source stored (and more importantly
MAINTAINED) in one location but used in more than one place.  Tell me how
that is different?

There is no foul here.  Access is the ONLY Office application that allows
libraries but they are indeed libraries.  A group of code, stored and
maintained in one location but used in more than one place.  Because they
are stored in one location, you fix a bug one time, at that stored location,
and then distribute the fix version to the other locations where the code is
used.

Now I understand that with a versioning system you can get into issues there
but that is an intentional step that you take because you have a reason to
have more than one branch of the code.

And if an Access library (which they are called libraries inside of our
programming environment) is not a library, how much more "not a library"
is a "cut and paste" exercise?

I am discussing a simple concept here, which you KNOW is "correct".  I did
not make this up, I have no vested interest in you or anyone else using it.
It is a concept taught and used throughout the industry.

C'mon Charlotte, give it up.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Inc. Sourcebook

FOUL!  Libraries in managed code aren't anything like Access libraries and
you know it!  Grrrr

Charlotte Foust